fury

[oblique trail]

In particular Stormbringer and Fathomdweller

[wintry breach]

i m having trouble with Stormbringer idd and also the other 2 for our BiS.

[oblique trail]

Legendary Skipper you buy from the turtle in the camp

If you're missing that one

[wintry breach]

i do miss that y

Thanks i found that one

so i have idd issues with stormbringer and Fathomdweller

[thick fossil]

As in you can't find em?

[wintry breach]

The Stormbringer event just does not pop up and the Fathomdweller i cant find at all

[south kayak]

Both of those are from the same event and that event is bugged

[thick fossil]

They should be on excavation board. It will be the rock boss, and if he charges out the door it bugs it out and no one gets the gem.

[errant vessel]

The door thing doesn’t seem to matter anymore. It just drops the objective at random though, which is even worse

[vast steppe]

Just buy from the NPCs

[restive edge]

Small indie company

[stiff barn]

Small Indian company

[dense elbow]

Only a couple of weeks for more tuning and notes

[restive edge]

I really hope we don't stay where we're at. Lack of utility we should at least bring big dammy

But I'm just a lowly casual what do I know

[lavish pecan]

You can't buy them from the NPCs until they've dropped for you

[feral ivy]

it should be fixed this weekend or next reset when main work team comes in to fix it because B team doesnt know how

[sinful spoke]

Whats up gooners

[weary sail]

wow that is ROUGH

[clever belfry]

dw Engagement will be lower next season

pool is even worse 👁️

[weary sail]

first season of the expansion being almost as bad as a throwaway season 4 is CRAZY

[junior gale]

surely they dont make us do the cleft minecart bullshit surely

[weary sail]

i wanted to run some 10s yesterday for vault

took 25 mins to get into group, tank instant die 2nd pack, leave group

no wonder nobody do M+

[junior gale]

do keys with guildies and or friends or dont do keys at all

[dense elbow]

Play "non-meta class", sign up for any key in the 2-10 range, get declined; ppl rather take the 639 meta class pick

[molten night]

pugging 10's is a nightmare >.<

on any class

[weary sail]

So if ur pugging ur fked?

Great

[junior gale]

welcome to modern gaming

[weary sail]

I think class balance is nowhere as big as a problem as theres no tank or healer playing

[dense elbow]

Well, hopefully they just remove the deathtimer add, and things probably feel less punishing. As such the opimisation of comp will feel less 'forced'.

[weary sail]

Cant even play the game even if I want to

[junior gale]

100% the biggest thing blizz can do to make the pug scene for M+ so much better is to make tanking and healing fun

but tanking and healing hasnt been fun in years

[weary sail]

If this is true then how come s3 DF has such insane retention

[dense elbow]

Hard to have fun as a tank, when things are so punishing that one mistake is a dead key. This includes the "mistake" of expecting the DPS to interrupt.

[weary sail]

Buff tanks n healers

Ty

[dense elbow]

Rather them just remove the deathtimer add, then re-add that stops interrupt casts

will make PuGing a lot more fun

[junior gale]

the pug experience was just as shit in S3 people just had more tolerance. tanks and healers slowly quit and even more shit tank and healer changes happen in TWW and now were here

[dense elbow]

Well, pretty sure them nerfing tanks and changing the most popular low-tank (BDK) was a big mistake

I don't even play my BDK anymore, as it just feels bad to do so - you got to overgear the content, to get the same play feel, and that is in my head not fun.

So: It is more punishing (deathtimer add, stops, so on), tanks are weaker and less fun... less tanks, equal less groups get going, equals longer wait times and more picky pickings for PuGs

Not a good timeline to be a non-meta DPS, eh?

[clever path]

Im a hawk too eh?

[weary sail]

Dont know the fix. But I have to wait 30 mins to get into groups. Another 30 mins to do the actual dungeons. Half the time it fail cuz tank get 3 shots by white auto

Then have to do it 8 times for my vault that is probably not an upgrade anyway 🙂

See ya next season Blizzard. Fix it or M+ is dead

[dense elbow]

Do this, then start looking for a spot for 14-15s

get some gold while waiting

[orchid dagger]

Pve moment

[modest condor]

still a better experience than pvp

[orchid dagger]

Whatever helps you sleep with your shitty welfare chest

[sinful spoke]

pve vs pvp arguement in the big 2024

almost 25

[clever belfry]

Pvp is literally all welfare gear??

[sinful spoke]

also lets not pretend like isnt pvp is on life support

[clever belfry]

pvp just exists due to ticking a box 👍

[orchid dagger]

Bro wants to call conq welfare gear lmao

[clever belfry]

Absolutely is

[orchid dagger]

Absolutely deranged

[clever belfry]

got all my conq in week 2 in less than 1h

👍

[sinful spoke]

bro

pvp gear iso wellfare that u get it given to u by doing pve

LOL

[dense elbow]

True and real, real and true

[clever belfry]

me rolling up with full conq gear after afking war chests

😎

Absolute fiesta gamemode, hope they make the gear even worse so I don't have to bother next tier

[humble plover]

Check out my full conq gear. Oh wait nvm it's my mythic gear with vers on it

[smoky vale]

real

[dense elbow]

Yeah, yeah.

[clever belfry]

versadilidy?????

[dense elbow]

Wonder why PvP gear scales to 639 in PvP, and not 659 or something silly. As you can't use PvP gear in PvE, but PvE gear in PvP
Just blizzard doing blizzard things

[clever belfry]

i used like 4 pieces of pvp gear as i walked into mythic raid

cause it was just optimal

[dense elbow]

Ya needed more delve luck

[clever belfry]

think i only go 1 map

[dense elbow]

ouch

[clever belfry]

And it was cape that i had already pvp crafted with embel

[dense elbow]

double ouch

[oblique trail]

you wont have to if the warrior dev has anything to say about it (continue on this trend of warrior changes)

[dense elbow]

Hoy, don't be such a doomer. TT is gone, they are very likely to buff OF, things are looking to have a ray of hope

[sinful spoke]

damn bro shut up as soon as i typed that

where he go

[junior gale]

nah blizz will 100% forget to buff OF

[dense elbow]

Nah, not this time

[clever belfry]

I hope they leave their door to their storage house open and a creeper walks in, in minecraft

[junior gale]

its a very classic blizz thing to do

[sinful spoke]

there is no warrior dev

[junior gale]

when they make changes with 0 thought

[dense elbow]

Not this time tho, this time is different

it is not like the other times

[summer quail]

15% Odyns buff to revert the nerf

[clever belfry]

there were thoughts
they typed them out

[junior gale]

[summer quail]

that's all we get

[clever belfry]

they just read silly.

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

Then I get someone in here telling me "it is fine, OF is still 3% of your overall damage in keys, as such better than most nodes"

Warrior is fine, it will be fine, everything is fine

[junior gale]

starting off with denial today are we

[dense elbow]

Gotta keep the mood up and positive while I que

[orchid dagger]

And still get no invites?

[dense elbow]

I am sure today is the day

[unreal onyx]

did they fix the gem drop on siren isle yet?

[charred panther]

I got the second one first try so maybe

But I was the only person there

[unreal onyx]

I killed the guy like 15 times and didn't get it yet

so I was wondering if it's worth logging in even

[dense elbow]

It isnt worth, trust

[unreal onyx]

bet, tyvm

also, why are you green user

[dense elbow]

I am new, be kind

[humble plover]

No. Eat pant

[unreal onyx]

farming best wishes

[dense elbow]

My M+ situation:
when I do my own key - ppl basically sabotage them on purpose. Talking tanks dying on 1st pull and leaving. The only keys I can get into, to reroll my key to easy ones are 11-12s, as I dont get invited to 13s. Then add I don't get inviteded (naturally) for 14s
I think my operation PuG this season aint working out very well

[unreal onyx]

I thought I wanted to pug more this season

but it really ain't it for me

did a 10 SV yesterday and that was way too demonic

[modest condor]

tanks in m+:
joins group, dies first pull, leaves
joins new group, dies first pull, leaves
joins new group, dies first pull, leaves
joins new group, dies first pull, leaves
joins new group, dies first pull, leaves
goes on reddit "tanking is too hard"

[dense elbow]

10s was easier 10 weeks ago

bring me back

[unreal onyx]

I tell myself I will do 4 keys every week

but I never do

[clever path]

"brick me back"

[dense elbow]

Lets just say, this is not a warrior season where it was ok to chill and allow yourself to fall behind the curve

[fading sky]

True lets.be honest tanking a 10 isnt hard though

[dense elbow]

For us? No, not at all. For some reason, ppl manage to just instantly die

100 to 0

0.1 sec

[fading sky]

I mean ive seen so many pol

Turn.back to mobs

That can kill u instantly

[dense elbow]

It is an artform indeed, there is grace to their methodical failure of the most basic of basics

The way they die, the sound of their "AuuAaarrrrgh!", the instant leaving the group

Perfection

[humble plover]

Warrior moment

[subtle goblet]

Heheh np ♥️

[smoky vale]

mr hrothmar

[subtle goblet]

Gm nerds, ilu

[smoky vale]

when i upload logs sometimes it does not include my stats or gear, do you know what could cause that

[humble plover]

Do you really

[sinful spoke]

buy me dinner first

[subtle goblet]

That’s interesting, and you have “advanced logging” checked?

[smoky vale]

yeah

[subtle goblet]

I am not familiar with that issue, sorry to hear that you’re experiencing that one.

Does it happen with Live Logging as well? Or only when you manually upload?

[smoky vale]

So for has only been manually

I'd have to do more testing

[subtle goblet]

Interesting 🤔

[subtle goblet]

Bah humbug, I’ll make it for you myself

[sinful spoke]

[smoky vale]

guys new to warrior, how are my stats?

what about my gear and trinkets

[subtle goblet]

Making some wine braised short ribs atm

[sinful spoke]

looks good

[humble plover]

1 wep. Go play dk

[sinful spoke]

bis'd out

[subtle goblet]

You’ll need an offhand to play fury, but you’re on the right track

[smoky vale]

this better?

[sinful spoke]

wrong enchant

[smoky vale]

omg you guys remember when waf didnt work

[dense elbow]

Not enought crit, try to move some haste - also even out mast and versa

[sinful spoke]

enchant gives him haste

he has enough

[dense elbow]

smh, Gio the noob

His OF and BT crits wont pop off in that build

[sinful spoke]

logged in to check my leggo and forgot i had 2 on my main lol

[dense elbow]

wut

[eternal sundial]

So few

Tmy has like 9

[sinful spoke]

yeah but do u have 2 on the same character

[eternal sundial]

I had it 2023 that's all that mattered

[clever path]

Vool weppn

Cool weapon*

[smoky vale]

@eternal sundial why didnt you say merry christmas to me

😦

i cry

[clever path]

Merry christmas

[eternal sundial]

Did i miss it

[dense elbow]

God Jul, mr Gio

[eternal sundial]

Merry Christmas Gio

[sinful spoke]

late by 3 days

[smoky vale]

can i get a direct translation of god jul

[eternal sundial]

Is this na dates or

[sinful spoke]

ya

jan 3

[eternal sundial]

Actually nah

It's 1st march

4th of october ce

For sure

[sinful spoke]

queen death in the next 2 weeks for sure

🙏

[clever path]

Odyn fury

[smoky vale]

i begin tongiht!

[sinful spoke]

enjoy pad city

[dense elbow]

👀 go on

[smoky vale]

IM FURYING ALL OVER

[clever path]

Torment titan

[dense elbow]

you lost me

[sinful spoke]

dancing blade

[junior gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[clever path]

Okay

Bladestorm

[dense elbow]

Ok... go on

[clever path]

Bladeströmming

[sinful spoke]

bonestorm

[lament otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[dense elbow]

Man, my group of ppl must be the simplest to please. Just have BS and OF do damage, and your job is done

[clever path]

Recklessness

[dense elbow]

[smoky vale]

what baout

[molten night]

dat Equipment set name

[sinful spoke]

THUNDERFURY BLESSED BLADE OF THE WINDSEEKER

[molten night]

DID SOMEONE SAY, THUNDERFURY BLESSED BLADE OF THE WINDSEEKER?

[dense elbow]

(Echo) WINdSeekeehr, seekher, hher...

You know what, I think it is time to call quits on operation PuG. It was a good run, time to wait for next season

[summer quail]

holy, do you think they copied demolish with this effect? it's very similar

[clever path]

they did

it is not a secret

[summer quail]

[elfin wagon]

4 Stam 4 Strength Leather Belt ??

[flat river]

Fake, the original made you say real and grow in size

[molten night]

LOL

[unreal onyx]

S4 my beloved

[true ibex]

Hey - what's the best race for fury warrior?

[summer quail]

for what? pure dps or m+?

[humble plover]

He means enjoy dog ass phase 1 for too long then finally get to see yourself in the meter p2 onward

Whate-night elf-ver you pr-mechagnome??-efer to pl-doesn't matter-ay

Forgot to reply to him. Oh well

[true ibex]

mainly m+

And also - another question for the people.

In NW 14 or 15 up. How do we survive more than 1 frontal from 1st boss?

[summer quail]

dwarf for stoneform. nightelf good as well usually but not really this season. no insane melds atm

[noble yew]

merry chrysler

[sinful spoke]

arms > fury

[open prairie]

external

[smoky vale]

you didnt say hi

[flat river]

nah that one is fake this one is real

[dire badge]

I’m triangulating all of y’all’s locations

no time to say hi

[golden hare]

maidpig jumpscare

[exotic root]

Real

[dense elbow]

Ya know, once in a while you decide, you just want to play. So you stop going for push keys, you sign for some ez content. Then you get declined over and over

[humble plover]

You coming by

[feral ivy]

Squid games s2 came out today anyone going to watch it

[broken hornet]

The real squid game is playing siren isle and grinding out cosmetics

[ashen wren]

what flask are you guys running?

[dense elbow]

Haste, cause I can hit faster and it feels good

[young swan]

alchemical chaos or w/e its called

[past ingot]

real

[dire badge]

leaving treats and goodies Ak refuses to give

[feral ivy]

what are u grinding? everything u need u should have and the BIS gems 2 of them u cant get till this weekend or reset

[final birch]

Is sr+dstance+warpaint not enough? Since its 14-15 most tanks are pwar/ppal so they can external you. Also disc shield/rshams hp increase etc

[broken hornet]

The transmog weapons and sets

I spend 10-20k a week changing transmogs

[exotic root]

+1% player size

[fluid pollen]

You guys switching to arms for raid ST and 2T?

If not, are you playing slayer or Thane?

[dense elbow]

I will wait for the tuning pass, then I will consider that conundrum

Ah, this season, I would play whatever I perform the better with

You can go to logs and see what performs the best - yet, it is always what you do in the end that matters. At this point, you don't really need to minmax DPS of your class anymore, it is more about mechanics

[summer quail]

No. I play slayer for everything except silken court

[radiant sentinel]

would I be gimping myself badly by running mark instead of transmitter? Really do not like that trinket..

[trim hound]

Sim both trinkets and see if it's an acceptable damage loss in your own opinion. Most likely not enough to be considered gimped tho

for me it's a 0.2% difference so pretty much nothing

[summer quail]

in raid you would be gimping yourself yes. in m+ no not really

[radiant sentinel]

Do you press it on its own hot key do the task then start your opener?

[summer quail]

yes

also remember it always spawn to your right

[minor void]

you can also target yourself and it will spawn the orb or circle on the ground just beside you

[sullen dove]

Boutta see sonic gonna be so fiya

[bold peak]

just me or shuddering hollows boss in sirens still broken

[silk wharf]

From what I've heard it still is. I had luck being the first one in being the first hit and charging him into a wall (not the entrance, he immediately charges the first hit) and taunting him to the back left corner.

[velvet canopy]

And the time I got it was when he was tanked 100% in the entryway. I still don't think anyone has any idea how to fix the bug, it's just dumb luck

[dense elbow]

Leap in, and taunt - you should usually be the first one in. Make sure you leap to the left side of boss, aiming to have the boss hit that wall as you agro it. Then pray noone charges it to any other place (there is leeway from that distance of the wall)

Done this a total of 6 times, works every time

[trim hound]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-heroes-thats-what-point-gif-22310650

[surreal garden]

I’ve been seeing a bit of variance in when folks are popping rav during cds. In some logs people pop it before reck, and some pop it inside of reck. With TR I’ve been doing reck + ava + roar > ramp > rav > tb, etc. Is it that big of a difference either way?

[summer quail]

no, very miniscule either way

[surreal garden]

Appreciate it

[gentle walrus]

Grab a Void Elf, they can port through the wall and make sure they’re the first to tag it.

[dense elbow]

Or just leap in, as you can phase through the wall early before the event starts?

Just wiggle, ya get in there

[gentle walrus]

That’s less fun and cool looking.

[dense elbow]

fair, I guess

[tropic ocean]

so whats priority for marked for deaths should i eat the stacks when they come up or wait for 3?

[warm crag]

Outlined in the wow head guide but yeah you'd wait for 3 stacks or if the mob is abt to die

[winter shoal]

On top of what Spongie said, you also want to use it if your ashen juggernaut is close to expiring (theoretically 1gcd, but in practice I like 6s because of the exe cd in case you get parried or whatever), or if you have 2 charges of sudden death

I have a weakaura for it let me find it

I think it's this one, there's text in the description about what things mean https://wago.io/ZTGWfik5P

[hollow valley]

the ring gems shown on wowhead, those good for all content? m+?

with the new one

[flat barn]

yo guys im new

is the tier set bonus valid or meh cause im looking at vids and none is even mentioning anything abt it

im simig my character and it says 750k dps but im getting like 540k dps

[eternal sundial]

Tierset is full passive damage increase

[hollow valley]

far as i know its sorta meh, not a huge increase, alot of times an ilvl upgrade is better during the gearing process, what ive heard

[eternal sundial]

750k sounds like ur turbo rat

[flat barn]

is that good or bad ?

oh wait wrong channel i see

[clever belfry]

got it, will wait for 5 stacks slaugthering strikes

[warm crag]

wtf?

i will make you so mad your head will explode

[radiant sentinel]

my best trinkets currently are skaromark and transmitter, what's the best way to rotate in skaromark assuming I'm opening with transmitter?

use it with OF when it comes off cd?

[sullen dove]

prolly

and a bladestorm/ravager depending if u got am but not as likely for ravager

[radiant sentinel]

right on, I'm just getting started back up on the warrior, have only played RA so far.

[restive edge]

How do I sim to compare how each race would do?

[sour frigate]

Check bloodmallet it has the info

[compact knot]

there was a advanced script somewhere

@restive edge

bloodmallet sims races with the BiS gear, bloodmallet also doesnt include later patches when we have more secondaries so human will rise in DPS power, dwarf is usually good though because it typically hangs around top 5 in dps power while also bringing good survivability

[silk wharf]

Racial contributions to dps are perhaps the least relevant they have ever been which is fantastic.

[gilded pawn]

they were never that relevant

but yeah now that they buffed the outliers

its much better now

[smoky vale]

@sudden tusk ty for the video its goated

too bad i didnt get to use any of the information for the first 2 hours of raid

because iw as tanking

!

[left perch]

@sudden tusk ty for the video its goated too bad i didnt get to use any of the information for the first 2 hours of raid because iw as tanking!

[smoky vale]

goat vhys!

ty unc

[short pivot]

quick survey :
At Myst 1st boss, after you burst the little guy the 1st time.
at what % it is okay for you to keep dpsing the little guy after the buff period over? instead of going back to the tree guy
40? 30?

[sudden tusk]

tanking

doing gods work

[smoky vale]

i spoke too soon

[summer quail]

is that an aug?

[smoky vale]

dev

[summer quail]

ok, fair play then

[sudden tusk]

i revoke my dk routes

back to warrior keys

[wispy thistle]

depends on the damage. My experience around 20% can be doable

[left perch]

When you can kill him faster than you can kill tree guy plus him

[slim coral]

This trinket will be fun

[open prairie]

dragon for qol of never taking fall damage

obviously

[gilded pawn]

Power crept panda fr

[open prairie]

i dont recall how much the glide jumping speed got nerfed

for non evokers

[gilded pawn]

How many channeled trinkets in a row are we at

[summer quail]

can't find any 90 sec trinkets next season. it's joever

[gilded pawn]

No way they are making warriors channel again

[summer quail]

got a 3m trinket tho

[slim coral]

This could be good

[slim coral]

This one could be good

[smoky vale]

guys

i just heard the words, "hey gio; you're getting promoted, i hope you're happy and enjoy the promotion"

[open prairie]

thug hotline looks like the coolest

[summer quail]

nice. that's how 2 of the guild officers happened in my guild

[smoky vale]

yeah

but its not that pormotion

[slim coral]

you mean the goon trinket

[gilded pawn]

This has insane potential

[smoky vale]

i wish i was gooning instead of tanking!

[open prairie]

real

im so tempted to change 1-2 of my chars

because changes are on sale rn

💀

[gilded pawn]

Idk man

3.3k is so low

[summer quail]

only thing is it's essentially a 1m cd trinket

[gilded pawn]

Unless Ppm goes crazy

[slim coral]

it's gonna go up 50 item levels

[open prairie]

I do think dragon being immune to knocks is kinda stupid

even if thats a non issue as warrior between leap and charge

[gilded pawn]

50 ilevel isn’t gonna close the gap

3.4k proc is shadowlands levels

I’m just gonna pretend the numbers are wrong

[slim coral]

could also be true

[clever path]

the trinket could also hit many times like a machine gun or something

[dapper goblet]

lets get a perma mute on baze

[sullen dove]

🔁

[quiet bramble]

this is slightly hyperbolic, but how does anyone stand the constant shnk shnk noises in slayer

[oblique trail]

ctrl + s

[quiet bramble]

I can't play soundless haha

I like the extra crit to bloodbath feedback, but none of the bladestorm stuff

[open prairie]

You turn the music up extra loud

@oblique trail I went dragon for the funnies, do you ever press the racial

[oblique trail]

I've presed it maybe 5 times

[open prairie]

Wait arent there two

[oblique trail]

There's the knockback

That's it

Unless you count visage as a racial button to press

[open prairie]

I could have sworn dragons had 2?

[quiet bramble]

glide is technically a button you can add too

[open prairie]

thats just hitting spacebar

[oblique trail]

Dracthyr gets a knockback as the only actual combat racial

At least as a non-evoker, idk about if you're evoker

[open prairie]

What about the one that goes up

[oblique trail]

Right

But that's not a combat racial

Are you talking about fly together or w/e

Instead of dragonflying

[open prairie]

no the other 3min

[oblique trail]

Yeah sorry I don't know what 3 min racial you're talking about then

[open prairie]

the knock up

[open prairie]

oh right

[sudden tusk]

so uh

bad news team

[smoky vale]

que paso

are you tanking as well

[sudden tusk]

went through every single trinket in the Season 2 dungeon pool

and there isnt a single good 1.5 trinket unluss the only trinket we dont know what it does yet

is a decent 1.5m its not lookin good

[slim coral]

big red button and goon squad gonna own

[sudden tusk]

theres a 3 min trinket that gives less str then transmitter and has a damage effect

but thats kinda it

i dont know what the goon squad effects are could be decent but without knowing its a wildcard for passive trinkets

[smoky vale]

does it make you into a massive gooner

?

srs

[sudden tusk]

but we've always had a 1.5 trinket to use which im hoping that lucio boombox trinket is primary stat or highest secondary stat on use 1.5

but its not lookin good for melee str trinkets

[slim coral]

also lucio boombox

could be good

we don't know what it does yet

[sudden tusk]

i feel like it has to be because otherwise Unholy,Frost,and us will have no sollid active trinket to use

[smoky vale]

that means not gooning

😦

but fr madox

your video was good

🙂

[open prairie]

is frost not a 2min spec

erw and bos are

[sudden tusk]

tyty

[smoky vale]

2 and 45

[sudden tusk]

issue with frost is BoS is 2min, but Pillar at 45 make it a 2:15

[smoky vale]

^

[open prairie]

true

[sudden tusk]

you can technically breath at 2min and if you can hold it for 15 seconds activate pillar Late

[open prairie]

reapers mark is 45 too

[sudden tusk]

but without the perfect situation to do so its gernerally never done

[open prairie]

i think dh is like that too

40s cd window

but main “cd” is 2min

[smoky vale]

what if you hit the breath ams pillar tech

yeah dh is "45"

bc essence burst

[open prairie]

40

[smoky vale]

oh is essence

[open prairie]

and ig 20 mini mini with vr

[smoky vale]

not 45

[open prairie]

40

sigil is 30

[smoky vale]

woah

[open prairie]

now show the clip where it gets parried

[sudden tusk]

yeah dh can 40/40/40 into 2mins

[open prairie]

40/40/30

xD

You always line up sigil

though

well then 40/40/30/20

weird how they made them misalign imo

[sudden tusk]

but yeah unless the Lucio Boombox is a 1.5 (which historicaly it SHOULD be) its gonna be pretty dire

[open prairie]

bike 2.0

[smoky vale]

what is the boom box

[open prairie]

im curious what summoning a goon does

does it just attack

[sudden tusk]

currently its just Haste statted with nothing we dont know

[sudden tusk]

no idea i looked into the spell data and just says summons a goon

untill the PTR opens no way to test it

really hope its just not a passive +damage trinket but that it might give secondary stats

[open prairie]

Well saying bloodlust summons the whole crew

makes me believe they do different things

[sudden tusk]

probably

im hoping it means just + secondary stats plus a guy that does some dam

but historicly having trinkets that have that kind of effect both the damage and the secondary stat tend to be underwhelming

[open prairie]

I imagine some of them do damage

[sudden tusk]

so im a bit cynical on it

[open prairie]

some give stats

etc

Unless its just diff damage patterns like sikran trinket

[sudden tusk]

this one wasnt mentioned in the post and might be decent

[smoky vale]

that looks cool

[sudden tusk]

but its still not a 1.5m on use

[smoky vale]

holy

imagine syncing it with ava cs during execute

[quiet bramble]

So long as it play's Lucio's amp it up sound effect.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/lucio-dj-music-emote-overwatch-gif-5950385402890502901

[radiant plank]

eye of kezan bro

[clever path]

ill be honest im fine with trinkets not syncing up. it just means blizz will hopefully balance us around that

[radiant plank]

whole lotta primary stat

[smoky vale]

idk what that is sir

i started cn

[radiant plank]

and baseline mastery

[clever path]

im more worried about how the reckless abandon change is gonna go over

[smoky vale]

played 1 mont quit

[radiant plank]

its new undermine trinket

[smoky vale]

return aberuss

and now im tanking ansurek

what is that

[radiant plank]

big trink

[quiet bramble]

gonna be lots of people running double charge trinkets haha

[radiant plank]

this will prolly be our trinket ig

[sudden tusk]

prob take an average of like 3.5 min to stack up if its hasted

i hate that trinet

hate

[radiant plank]

Better than transmitter

[quiet bramble]

I can't wait for the honey buzzer

[young swan]

does a lot of dam too

[quiet bramble]

they're gonna nerf honey buzzer so hard though

[radiant plank]

this gonna go crazy too

[sudden tusk]

i dont like ramping trinkets like that where you need to be in a 9min fight to get value

tbh i was thinking of that one for arms

might be decent

[smoky vale]

we need a spymasters!

[clever path]

i mean with how high our stats are gonna go? we may wanna get more crit

[sudden tusk]

agi technically got a spymasters

[smoky vale]

what is it

outlaw arc inc

[smoky vale]

xd

thats going to crank

[radiant plank]

Junkrat

[sudden tusk]

might be sick for outlaw with vers stacking increasing the damage

[smoky vale]

omg imagine

hitting tierset on outlaw

into 5 roll

into spymasters pot

lust

[sudden tusk]

ive been debating what im gonna alt next tier

[smoky vale]

fuck

[sudden tusk]

but im p sure its gonna be outlaw rogue or hunter

[radiant plank]

madoxnikes arc

[smoky vale]

i think its going to be outlaw

unless im tanking forever

[sudden tusk]

my rogue is named stealthpiss

[quiet bramble]

We get this back too

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/bEhW8.gif

[radiant plank]

hot

[sudden tusk]

my hunter is also named Onlybows

both names slap

[smoky vale]

what do you think of my rogues name

zhaish

[sudden tusk]

zhai 😠

[smoky vale]

swordish

🙂

[young swan]

zhai-ish

[sudden tusk]

if i ever make a second warrior

might name it swordfish

[smoky vale]

holy

that owns

[sudden tusk]

is there a 2h wep thats a fish

i dont know if there is one in the game

[quiet bramble]

My char names are all "real" names. So I got Crinnettie and Lorenda.

[smoky vale]

there is a mce i think

[hardy bluff]

Only the 1handers

[smoky vale]

ah

fuck

https://www.wowhead.com/item=163928/stinkrot-smasher

hes right

[clever path]

would be cool to have a swordfish skeleton as a 2 hander

[sudden tusk]

i recently got a 2h staff that was a mop

about to make a janny mog

[clever path]

oh yeah i got that off siren isle the other day and laughed when i saw how it looked

[hardy bluff]

We will get some stupid looking ass mogs next patch

Trust

[quiet bramble]

Leoric!

[clever path]

i mean gonna be honest. i like the new warrior tier look and the new zone plate set

green one is mint

[young swan]

I think the zone set is worlds better than the actual tier set

kinda funny

[smoky vale]

link por favor

[quiet bramble]

That's partly because Blizzard has decided raid sets are "class fantasy" while world content has the story appearances

[clever path]

yeah i do think our tier should have had bolts shooting lightning or spikes that were dripping oil or something. something goblin like

i was already sadge the nerubian tier didnt have spider themed tier

[smoky vale]

so you mean the current pvp elite set

it has lightning

[young swan]

yeah it seems they're themeing it after each hero spec

got thane

now colossus

next tier slayer

[clever path]

wonder if slayer will be a gladiator set

[young swan]

cannot find

it looks cool tho

[quiet bramble]

certainly not how they can do ever class, but maybe true for warriors

[radiant plank]

idk the Red tint is good imo

from tierset

the rst are meh

[young swan]

found

[smoky vale]

thats the world

or raid

[young swan]

world

[smoky vale]

yeah i think the raid one

blows

the glad armor owns though

[quiet bramble]

I'm personally holding space for what I suspect is the February trading post.

[smoky vale]

the elite set looks like a legion set

[young swan]

I dont think it blows but I think it looks worse than the open world

[clever path]

its not the worst tier set we have gotten

so im not mad

[quiet bramble]

I need this set like now haha

[clever path]

that set is so bad i wanna wash my eyes out with acid

[quiet bramble]

Why hate other cultures

[smoky vale]

take off the helmet

and its 10/10

[quiet bramble]

yeah, I'd likely skip helm too

[clever path]

the colors are eastery. i dont wanna look like an easter egg

[quiet bramble]

there's 3 other recolors, I just like pink.

[clever path]

ah i might like one of the other colors then

the set itself isnt bad that color is just barf lol

[young swan]

that looks like something I'd wear as a joke and nothing more

[quiet bramble]

Second time this particular weapon model becomes available to all melee too.

[young swan]

good meme set

[quiet bramble]

I like costumes and "pretty" a full lunar festival set that feels modern will be awesome.

[clever path]

id like a red or green set of it

[young swan]

if it comes with actual good warrior changes I will say its good

[quiet bramble]

eh, lunar festival is this patch still.

[quiet bramble]

there's a red and black, and a jade and gold recolor

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lunar-festival-rewards-datamined-for-patch-11-0-7-new-transmog-sets-and-mount-349542

Plus a firework mount

[sudden tusk]

polearms look nice

[quiet bramble]

I'm honestly shocked it took this long to get the lunar rocket mount when HotS had it forever ago.

[sudden tusk]

just hope it doesnt suck to farm the currency

its what i hate most about all these events the dailies are just terrible

[clever path]

the red one is nice

[quiet bramble]

these are almost certainly trading post, I've been saving up

I held myself to buying only the christmas shield and 2h mace.

[clever path]

yeah to be honest the trading post has had a lot of bangers lately

way better than year 1

[quiet bramble]

Blizzard is using the trading post for anything fun or feminine I feel.

[clever path]

i will say i was glad to see how much mog they added to siren isle

i hate not being able to get all the mog i want from the post

[quiet bramble]

all the pirate casual wear is gonna be a hit on the rp servers

[open prairie]

I mean fun mogs are good

t3 best serious set

anyway

[quiet bramble]

I'm really partial to Aberrus

[open prairie]

i pretty much alternate between t3

and antorus elite red terminator shoulders set

[smoky vale]

i only know 2 tiersets

ab and amir

🙂

[clever path]

t3 looking crunchy these days. i love it but would love a visual update for it

[quiet bramble]

Oh, the elite Arathi warfront set is sick for Alliance

[open prairie]

terminator moment

[smoky vale]

what is that

[open prairie]

legion elite

[smoky vale]

unfair

why dont they let you get old elite sets

[quiet bramble]

Dragon Soul will forever have a place in my heart too

[open prairie]

mf plays gnome

💀

[quiet bramble]

She's cute and adorable and I love the idea of tanking with pink boar tails.

[open prairie]

dragon set on a dragonoid

just seems funny

main downside is you look so stupid on char select

and armory

[clever path]

im really hoping those new ethereal models mean next xpac we get to play them

the troll/nelf hybrid race also looks neat

[open prairie]

we'll see what they do

[quiet bramble]

the ethereals feel like Kyrian which we never got.

[young swan]

naga

ogres

[smoky vale]

its ogre

[quiet bramble]

I'm convinced Naga with a void hunter DH spec are coming

and maybe a trident wielding hero class.

[young swan]

any celestial lancer enjoyers

spellbreaker

[open prairie]

we dont need new classes

idk

[young swan]

titanslayer mayhaps

[young swan]

think thats gonna stop them?

[open prairie]

also did they revert people doing the faction change shenanigans

🤔

[young swan]

who cares tbh

[clever path]

I saw this on that survey thing that got translated and I want it bad.

Would hard swap from warrior if they made this class and made it good

[young swan]

im still not sure if they're actual classes that they're scouting for or new hero specs

I feel like titanslayer would be hard to fully flesh out as a class but yeah id hard swap

[open prairie]

what would be a titanslayer class anyway

I feel I honestly dislike the word since i associate it with one of the easiest CEs ever

[clever path]

I mean it would probably be a 2 spec class if it was one like demon hunter

[open prairie]

dh is weird

it only has 2 specs

and they keep making them closer to one another

I remember when self immolation was just vengeance's thing.

[clever path]

Also going off story beats, I feel that sargeras will be our “ally” later on. seeing as we are currently figuring out the titans are jerk asses and need to get stomped

But we will most likely have to fight him again anyway cause he wants to murder everything

[open prairie]

Then again i feel like ele and enhance are just melee/caster versions of the same spec

dunno

[clever path]

I mean that’s kind of what they are leaning towards these days class design wise

[open prairie]

I kinda miss the specs being

[clever path]

Overarching design that all specs feel like they belong to that class

[open prairie]

their own classes

dunno why

[quiet bramble]

I want the radiant song bard so bad

[clever path]

I don’t. It just meant way too much over designing specs instead of making specs that fit the class dynamic and work

[open prairie]

Funnily enough

i think rogue was more the same class across

before modern revamps

[clever path]

It absolutely was

I played rogue back in wrath and all specs felt like they were the same but with one or two new abilities

[open prairie]

yep

[clever path]

But that was an outlier

[open prairie]

i guess survival is just a full on trapper/spearman

nowadays

[clever path]

Yeah survival is just melee but hunter themed melee

[young swan]

I think the only things id legit be unhappy about getting are bard and tinker

i have NEVER understood the fascination with either

[open prairie]

They're the only spec that really extensively uses traps

arent they

[clever path]

I like the idea of tinker cause it fits, bard not so much imo

[young swan]

i dont like the steampunk, gundam mech, turret makers

shits boring to me

[open prairie]

legion was when they shifted unholy from being a disease focused spec, to more an necromancy zoo style

[clever path]

Wow has no real need for bards. And they don’t really have a place in the lore at all atm. I would like to see a class that has some established grounds

But I also hate the idea of another support class

[quiet bramble]

Blizzard is hardcore adding lore for the bards, plus the radiant song

[open prairie]

aug was a mistake

[quiet bramble]

if it's the 13.0 class Bard will have lots of support by then

[open prairie]

support classes usually fill the same role

as healers in mmos

idk

[quiet bramble]

Rift had a ton of support dps, they focused on buffs and debuffs I think.

[clever path]

I just don’t like bard as it’s too bland. And also I don’t want another support class.

[open prairie]

i mean one can argue

healer in wow is a support class

half decent healers do damage too

[clever path]

Aug is a big sore spot in the game and having a second one I feel like would just make the problem worse

[open prairie]

i've also played mmos with support classes where

no other classes give buffs

[quiet bramble]

Blizzard isn't gonna remove aug and the only way to blunt that criticism is a second support dps. Plus there hasn't been a new tank since Legion so I would not be shocked it actually is tank/heal/support dps.

[open prairie]

every class buffs in wow

also that game made priest incapable of doing damage to non undead mobs

[clever path]

If it does end up being bard it’s a hard pass for me

[young swan]

tinker makes way more sense than bard for this

[open prairie]

idk i view tank/healer as support roles

[quiet bramble]

Radiant Song Tank is a concept I think could be really cool if they made it cloth int with 1 handers/offhand only.

[clever path]

Yeah I’d be fine with tinker to be honest. Has a lot of ways it could be different than what we have now

[open prairie]

tank usually the bitch of the group anyway

[young swan]

i want titanslayer, spellbreaker, celestial lancer, or warden

warden would be sick as fuck

[open prairie]

bring back vengeance if you want tank to be a gigachad role again

[clever path]

I feel like bard would just boil down to “sing song to buff, sing song to taunt, sing song to hurt enemies ears”

[quiet bramble]

I just feel like Siren Isle is setting up music as magic a lot in the same way that 10.0.7 and 10.1 teased Aug.

[plush moon]

Glad pls. 2h+shield. do it blizz u won't

[clever path]

If siren isle is teasing bard it’s way too early

So I doubt it

[young swan]

there was a version of colossus that was gonna do this

there was a datamined colossus talent that allowed prot to equip a 2h + shield

[plush moon]

I saw the bait blizz put out there

[young swan]

woulda been sick

[plush moon]

I knew it was too good to be true

[quiet bramble]

I mean not to me, you have so so many people going "WoW has no magical music" it'll take more time I feel.

Also, we have an entire raid boss next season that is gonna use music

[open prairie]

we had one in cn too

so

[radiant plank]

dont infest arms with a shield

[clever path]

you aren’t the entire demographic for the game. Blizzard wouldn’t be teasing a class 2 entire xpacs before it’s out in such a roundabout way

[radiant plank]

But equipping shield as arms fixes squishy issue

💀

[open prairie]

idk support classes are problematic in wow

[plush moon]

Polearm + Shield shoulda been Prot in Legion

[open prairie]

if you make them fill the healer role fine

[clever path]

I mean yeah bard could be a thing easily

[quiet bramble]

DHs had how many expansions before they got added? Granted Blizzard did want DH for TBC but decided against it late.

[clever path]

But until we have bard npcs roaming around it’s gonna be a ways off

[open prairie]

havent dhs literally existed

since wc3

[clever path]

Dh was supposed to be a vanilla class though.

[open prairie]

monk was like an out of season april fool's joke

[quiet bramble]

If they do it, it's literally gonna be Azeroth Mage where they just use music instead of fire. There likely won't be any NPCs before the first champion of Azeroth is awakened after 11.2 or something.

[open prairie]

I guarantee you mop would have been remembered more fondly

if not for the stupid panda theme

[quiet bramble]

It wouldn't have been MoP then.

[clever path]

Panda land was fine

[quiet bramble]

And MoP is seen very fondly now outside of the people who quit before it.

[open prairie]

wod was probably their biggest hype

that failed epicly

[clever path]

People just got butt hurt cause kung fu panda was a thing and they associated them together

Wod was a horrible xpac

[open prairie]

pandaria feels out of place

with wow lore personally

yes but the premise is like

[clever path]

It started so well and then floundered quickly

[open prairie]

actual warcraft universe

it just fcking sucked

besides for raidlogging

[quiet bramble]

I just disagree, MoP set up the lore wonderfully. People just didn't read the quests.

So many people never did the questlines where the Zandalari took the Thunder King's body.

[young swan]

after having done every quest in mop for remix

[open prairie]

yeah the zandalari lose for the

how many time

[young swan]

mop was peak as fuk

sick xpac

[open prairie]

if they released mop level quests with

[quiet bramble]

MoP was the first time Zandalari were an enemy.

[open prairie]

wod premise

it would have been the highest rated

besides maybe wotlk because arthas

[young swan]

idk there was nothing about mop that i didnt enjoy

[clever path]

He’s talking about how many times the zandalari have lost in lore

Which is often and almost always

[radiant plank]

even siege

[young swan]

the fact they had pandas was a bit hokey just cause kung-fu panda had literally just come out

[quiet bramble]

WoD had great leveling quests, they just obviously cut the story after that and that hurts it a lot. The Talador finale is peak questing.

[young swan]

siege was great wdym

[open prairie]

siege was a great raid

[young swan]

the only thing that was bad about siege was the fact u were farming it for 14 months

[radiant plank]

didnt play but ppl complained

[clever path]

Wod ran into the issue that they literally didn’t give us any of the good warlords. The questing killed or dealt with most of them which made the raids not so great

[radiant plank]

too long of a raid or smth

[young swan]

it was peak

[radiant plank]

as many bosses long, not tier

[open prairie]

throne of thunder was the best raid that expac

[young swan]

there are some all timer fights in there

[quiet bramble]

Siege was a very long raid and was current for a long time.

[radiant plank]

iron jugg looked fun

also garrosh looks banger

[quiet bramble]

Garrosh was a funny fight cause of the HP integer limit.

[open prairie]

Well garrosh was

[clever path]

Siege was a fine raid. Also I look back on siege mythic and spit on blizzs approach to mythic these days lol

[open prairie]

an actual warchief

so

[young swan]

yeah it had like 3-4 loading screens lmfao

[radiant plank]

They just dont make bosses like that anymore

sadge

[open prairie]

wod had good raids

its just

thats all the expac had

[radiant plank]

wod class design

hit or mis

[quiet bramble]

If they do WoD classic, watch them add m+

[open prairie]

wod class design was watered down mop design

they wont

most of the community cried about grimrail

[quiet bramble]

Hell I could see them do M+ for MoP classic even.

[open prairie]

when ubrs was worse

[clever path]

Highmaul was boring, Blackrock was good, hellfire was fine? Just had the same issue a lot of raids, that even the ones now have, in that the enemies are people we don’t know and don’t care about for the most part.

[quiet bramble]

I loved Highmaul but I played WW monk.

[open prairie]

lmfao you mean nerfed week 2

[quiet bramble]

Twin Ogron as WoD WW, mmm

[open prairie]

due to scales and weapons

[clever path]

Highmaul was hyped up before release to be this huge ogre city and when we got to it it was….5 buildings and a mushroom farm

[open prairie]

highmaul was

imperator

[young swan]

yeah well wod was the xpac of cut content

[open prairie]

and swapblast trolling people stuck in the mushroom holes

[young swan]

reminder that the dragon isles was supposed to be a patch in wod

[fathom wolf]

Highmaul was supposed to be the raid of a whole ogre island or someshit. But they scrapped it.

[clever path]

Oh yeah absolutely. Wod had more content cut than it had put in

[open prairie]

i mean...

nazjatar

hyped for years

we get

one zone

.....

[clever path]

No the second raid was supposed to take us to the ogre homeland island. But it got cut

[radiant plank]

justice for nzoth...

[clever path]

Highmaul was always intended to be the first raid

[quiet bramble]

Their original plotline for WoD was to include Shattrah as a raid and the SECOND expansion inside the alternate timeline was the Ogre Continent.

[clever path]

Going off interviews and such

[open prairie]

ima be honest

bfa raids sucked

besides bod

[clever path]

Bfa sucked

[quiet bramble]

BfA was the first expansion I quit.

[clever path]

It’s systems were dogwater

I quit after uldir

[young swan]

bod sucked 💀

it had like

2 good fights

[quiet bramble]

I still think the game is suffering from design decisions they made in BfA for dungeons.

[young swan]

warrior is still suffering from bfa

[clever path]

The game is suffering because they keep trying to invent the wheel again

[open prairie]

uldir was an awful raid

[quiet bramble]

Well they keep losing the employees who learned the lesson the first time.

[young swan]

same shit ass design we got dumped on us 6 years ago or w/e

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[open prairie]

bfa was when some intern at blizzard

thought putting all offensive cds on the gcd

was a great idea

[young swan]

yeah that was insane

[quiet bramble]

I'm honestly not against that as they make the CDs actually do something.

Like I'm not against Deathmark as a CD, it's a better spell than what it replaced.

[open prairie]

no it isnt

its the same shit

💀

[clever path]

Like imma be honest, mythic raiding is a fucking mess these days. Blizz way as well private aura everything and make the fights legible. Saying that the reason the design is getting out of hand is “weak aura creep” is a weak excuse when they can just stop it

[quiet bramble]

I don't think macro'ing 3-5 different ogcd cds is fun gameplay.

[open prairie]

barely any classes do that now

but yeah im getting real tired of the weakaura rat race

[quiet bramble]

Blizzard is scared of making raiding too easy for the RWF crowd because if they gut addons they will have to make the fights a lot simpler and readable.

[clever path]

Who gives a fuck about world first

I know I don’t.

[open prairie]

2 man race

lol

[quiet bramble]

Apparently Blizzard does cause that's who they design the raid for and nerf it for everyone else.

[clever path]

If anything blizzard shouldnt design content for the .1 of the .1 percent of the player base

[open prairie]

rwf is literally

[quiet bramble]

Maybe 5-10 guilds, so 100-200 people in the entire world gets to see the last boss as initially designed.

[open prairie]

a 2 guild race

[clever path]

Which is dumb. I’d prefer blizzard ease up and make stuff, I dunno, fun? Instead of painful and requiring 3 weak auras to tell you how a mechanic even works because you have to make decisions within .5 seconds and if you mess up you wipe.

[open prairie]

i mean legion raids had difficulty

without a million weakauras

[clever path]

Legion had decent design

Like my team is about to get court down and I have to say court is the biggest POS fight I’ve seen in a while

[quiet bramble]

I had a moment where I thought Blizzard was gonna move towards an FF14 style design when I first tried the first boss of Grim Batol in beta. Super clear telegraphs that snapshotted haha.

[open prairie]

im gonna be real

the second i see a boss have its own weakaura pack

i know im in for a shitshow

[quiet bramble]

My guild literally regressed on Ovinax heroic because 3 people used a weak aura pack no one else did.

[clever path]

Ovinax mythic is also a pos weak aura fight

[open prairie]

court went like this:
1)get jihad by a dk
2)get jihad by a dh

[clever path]

Albeit not as bad as court

[quiet bramble]

We spent an hour while a few of us was like "It's someone's addon messing up cause I know DBM and Bigwigs talk to each other"

[open prairie]

or 3) raid walks into hpriest angel form

[quiet bramble]

As soon as people turned off the weak aura pack, we one shot it

[bitter palm]

terrorist spec

[open prairie]

which one

[bitter palm]

i thought it was dh twice

xd

[clever path]

Also yeah court making everyone into a death mechanic has got to be the worst thing blizzard has made in years

[open prairie]

dks dont play the same game

they just vape and tank every mechanic

in the game

[bitter palm]

cringe class

[clever path]

I’m just hoping the new raid has less bullshit and more fun

[quiet bramble]

I'm also eagerly awaiting 12.0 and the promised pull back on defensives AND one shot raid mechanics.

[clever path]

Though I doubt it

[bitter palm]

blizzard game

[open prairie]

i still never understood

what caused the 2 people to just die on pull

on court

[clever path]

But blizzard can’t design a challenging fight unless they can one shot you

[open prairie]

not touching other color

[bitter palm]

3s seeds or 4s whatever

was peak

[open prairie]

Also no class will top evoker

as the terrorist class

holy fk

[clever path]

Our tier set in undermine is so underwhelming feeling

Just looking at it makes me sad

[open prairie]

well they made every melee

the same tier

[clever path]

It’s gonna either be decent or suck so bad we want higher ilvl even if it’s not tier

[bitter palm]

arms tierset

[radiant plank]

i dont think

[bitter palm]

killed battlelord even more

[radiant plank]

arms or fury tier

can be compared to unholy

or ret

in the category of "same tier"

[bitter palm]

more overpower tiersets blizzard

please

more

[open prairie]

copers telling me arms is a fun spec

when

[bitter palm]

we didnt have enough

[open prairie]

you can get parried

on

[bitter palm]

more overpower

[open prairie]

warbreaker

[bitter palm]

i was about to say demolish 3rd hit

but they made it unparriable