there is a quest you can do that gives you like 300 or something
#fury
uncut prism
yea I know to buy everything and submit the order
uncut prism
okay would appreciate
uncut prism
@smoky vale one last thing, am I able to have a crafted main hand and off-hand or just a crafted main hand?
sinful spoke
u can do both
uncut prism
ty
clever path
u can do both
weak tartan
anyone knows why cant I contribute to the event?
sudden tusk
goes on a short cd after its completed
verbal garden
At this point in the season would you go mythic piece or heroic Poison Pact ring?
twin oasis
hi, newbie question. Is Skarmorak better than Transmitter in Mplus?
sudden tusk
hi, newbie question. Is Skarmorak better than Transmitter in Mplus?
no buts its easier to use
sage wadi
Guys, can u help me understand the AoE opener with that talent build?
- I need to Thunder Clap > Bloodthirst > Raging Blow > Enrage before Avatar? (why?)
- Can I macro Recklessness + Avatar + Thunderous Roar together?
- When to use Odyn's Fury?
Do we have some great Fury M+ guide on youtube for 11.0.5/11.0.7?
weak tartan
Anyone knows how to unbug acquiring Stormbringer's Runed Citrine gem? I've done the event about 5-6times and the gem never drops
young swan
yeah have fun that event does not work properly even a little bit
theres a couple methods to complete it but they're annoying and hard to get everyone on the same page for
storm rune
Personally as long as I killed him and stuck around, eventually I got credit for completion
young swan
1) I need to Thunder Clap > Bloodthirst > Raging Blow > Enrage before Avatar? (w...
- aoe opener here
- you can but its not recommended because you dont always want to slam everything at once
- refer to opener, otherwise, on cooldown
clever path
where are people getting legendary skipper citrine
Ive checked the vendors and did all the dailys
fading sky
Np
ornate gust
anyone knows why cant I contribute to the event?
No need to contribute. You can complete the event without contribution.
celest mango
level 52 have thrash blade in bank. is there a point i should switch to fury
bitter palm
i assume this is classic related
skyhold is mainly a retail warrior server
fight club is the classic warrior server
quiet scaffold
hi there, any one know why most big fury boys are not running ascendance embelishment with the proffesion weapon?
hardy bluff
hi there, any one know why most big fury boys are not running ascendance embelis...
in raid?
dont think so
quiet scaffold
on m+ mainly, they are running or crit or vers on the embelishment
quiet scaffold
got this on the vault and was running sims, but none is a direct upgrade, so i was curious about the reason behind
oblique trail
Basically in M+ Ascension can technically be better, but it's entirely reliant on you maintaining the stacks which fall off very quickly outside of combat, where as lining is going to always be consistently active, with a few %'s loss
lament otter
very nice
clever belfry
@oblique trail when meowing
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> when meowing
meow
clever belfry
the meowment
clever belfry
""reward""
oblique trail
pressing claim is dopamine
clever belfry
it gets inf harder on 26 than 25, all ill tell u 👍
modern leaf
what's a good amount of haste i should have at least? i'm at 19.8 with new ring
lament otter
I think 25% is the sweet spot
oblique trail
There's no required amount to reach, nor any breakpoints that mean anything for us right now
I've had 20% haste the past month and a half, and it has not stopped me from parsing nor doing damage in M+
Simply just use top gear, and use what it recommends
modern leaf
according to maxroll the diminishing returns start at 19.8k. i'm at 11.5... how the f am i supposed to fill that gap lol
oblique trail
I feel like you didn't read anything I wrote
oblique trail
Go ahead, I'll also just say now, again, that it does not really matter nor is it worth the effort unless you really like doing it
clever belfry
For DR to ""matter"" you'd need all stats at or above dr
So you don't "lose" anything
ure not getting that.
modest hollow
where is the way to Siren Isle?
modest hollow
yes
modest hollow
is it possible to get all gems now?
iron portal
With some difficulties i think
undone flower
according to maxroll the diminishing returns start at 19.8k. i'm at 11.5... how ...
If a stat is 10% better than other stats, you keep stacking it
modern leaf
cool thank you
chrome plover
is it possible to get all gems now?
yes
if stalagnarok is still bugged it’s a bit of a ball ache to get those ones though
clever belfry
fickle bluff
clever belfry
don't CHOMP him
gleaming siren
fiery harbor
what's this i hear about legendary skipper stealth nerf.
any confirmations?
or just fake news
summer quail
any confirmations?
no, some people insist it's simbait but i've seen no proof
fading sky
What is alternative?
slim coral
Happy holidays to all you zug zugs
smoky vale
What is alternative?
+3k highest 2ndary stat
fading sky
+3k highest 2ndary stat
I mean thats not a little
fading sky
Same samd
remote bobcat
does anyone know why i am not getting any all-star points from rashanan and ovinax?
summer quail
does anyone know why i am not getting any all-star points from rashanan and ovin...
coz no one is
remote bobcat
this is another warrior, he has points shown
fading sky
Smells like booster
summer quail
this is another warrior, he has points shown
his is from a previous patch
smoky vale
bc wcl said no points
summer quail
like i said, no one gets points on those fights anymore
oblique trail
WCL turned off Allstar on Brood and Rashanan quite a while ago
smoky vale
merry christmas banezi mutou
fading sky
#padding
smoky vale
summer quail
merry christmas gio
oblique trail
Rashanan was due to WCL implying that Rashanan adds were padding, and deemed them be excluded
remote bobcat
does that mean that those who have gotten points before the removal will now just reside on a higher point count and therefore rank by default?
or whats goin on here
smoky vale
its a new patch
oblique trail
Until they realised that's stupid, then had a compromise of them being added back, then Allstars removed
smoky vale
so they count for that patch
oblique trail
does that mean that those who have gotten points before the removal will now jus...
No their rank is based on that partition
smoky vale
but currently they dont count
undone flower
All star ranks are separate each patch
remote bobcat
ah fair enough
oblique trail
When a new partition is made, as in a new patch or similar, they have no Allstar points
summer quail
Until they realised that's stupid, then had a compromise of them being added bac...
i don't think they think it's stupid. i think they just received backlash and reverted it
smoky vale
^
oblique trail
I don't think so either
smoky vale
wcl makes funny choices
oblique trail
I am not exactly a fan of their way of operating
undone flower
Tbh I fully understand rash
smoky vale
nah
oblique trail
But they're the only site with the sheer amount of data available, and we are sort of at the whims of them making silly choices
undone flower
It is the definition of padding
smoky vale
rash was ethical
smoky vale
ovinax is not ethical
remote bobcat
heroic is padding, mythic is not imo
summer quail
and then they make polls that literally anyone can vote on. several times as well, make a now account or whatever. so unbelieveably stupid
oblique trail
People genuinely wiped because people went full ST on Rashanan after they were removed, because the adds just didn't die
summer quail
not to mention majority of people voting prob doesn't raid mythic
undone flower
heroic is padding, mythic is not imo
In mythic they last 0.5 more seconds than heroic
smoky vale
and then they make polls that literally anyone can vote on. several times as wel...
i think the biggest prob with the voting is this and duration of the poll
summer quail
Tbh I fully understand rash
ok, you just leave those adds alone. see what happens to your tanks. they NEED to die
remote bobcat
In mythic they last 0.5 more seconds than heroic
eh ive seen some shit
undone flower
ok, you just leave those adds alone. see what happens to your tanks. they NEED t...
I Die because I pad on them in the first place
summer quail
like i said, when adds need to die it is not pad
oblique trail
Strictly removing adds in general is just not the way to handle a fight, if they actually have merit in being included
remote bobcat
I Die because I pad on them in the first place
if they are properly stacked on the tank then they should be dead within 1 cast
oblique trail
Removing them so only boss damage counted is an easy way to skew the results and data to favour people who didn't care for playing the fight properly
remote bobcat
Removing them so only boss damage counted is an easy way to skew the results and...
Like how on ulgrax everyone goes full single target and holds CDs as to not kill the adds properly
undone flower
Yeah but I understand they remove adds on fight they doesn’t matter anymore and you can parse only if 1 dude is in AoE and everyone else is st
jovial coral
Removing them so only boss damage counted is an easy way to skew the results and...
Wonder what classes the team over at warcaftlogs play 🤔
oblique trail
I don't understand it
remote bobcat
Wonder what classes the team over at warcaftlogs play 🤔
casters 100%
oblique trail
There are people who genuinely rely on logs to figure out how to play a fight, and if they see everyone in the top 100 just go full ST talents as Fury, and they don't think further than that, they'll go prog Rashanan and do no damage to adds, leading to people dying
jovial coral
We go full st on ulgraxx right
undone flower
The adds die from passive cleave in rash, ultrax is more trouble in my opinion
remote bobcat
There are people who genuinely rely on logs to figure out how to play a fight, a...
i went from full 90s to 99s and a rank 1 parse in heroic by watching wcl replays myself so yea for sure true
undone flower
People send CDs on them and they die
2 dudes cds on them, everyone else were not fast enough on that single gcd
hardy bluff
yea thats not passive cleave tho
oblique trail
Right but them dying to CDs mean that people had an incentive to use CDs on them?
And that's not passive cleaving either
hardy bluff
ofc you dont need 20 cds on them
jovial coral
They do not die to passive cleave chief
Well they do die from passive cleave but your tanks will die alongside them in that case 😁
oblique trail
Well they do die from passive cleave but your tanks will die alongside them in t...
dn
jovial coral
Whats dn
oblique trail
sour frigate
Dreadnought
remote bobcat
with BDK i'd assume 2 aoe cd users is enough
undone flower
Idk the fight is so pointless as tank
oblique trail
But at the end of the day, removing adds is stupid, it incentivises people to play stupid
smoky vale
just play for boss damage
oblique trail
Have you been arguing for this from a tank PoV
remote bobcat
if its your 10th reclear or whatever and aoe got removed from logs, why would you go aoe as fury
oblique trail
Because I want the boss to die 👍
smoky vale
if my gm said play some stupid shit to kill boss
remote bobcat
just let someone else do it
smoky vale
im listening
remote bobcat
™️
smoky vale
because boss die > parse
remote bobcat
Because I want the boss to die 👍
it dies either way
smoky vale
undone flower
Have you been arguing for this from a tank PoV
No but someone talks about tank dying for rash adds, tanks can take multiple tank busters so…..
oblique trail
it dies either way
Perhaps through multiple people dying to adds living
jovial coral
Wait who said something about tanks dying
oblique trail
Their dots can quickly obliterate anyone
I really do not care personally enough about parsing compared to just killing the boss more efficiently
remote bobcat
I suppose it kind of depends, cuz classes like monk and dh have inherent aoe in their single target specs
undone flower
ok, you just leave those adds alone. see what happens to your tanks. they NEED t...
Here
oblique trail
And if you can't parse while playing the boss correctly, consider it a slight skill issue
remote bobcat
And if you can't parse while playing the boss correctly, consider it a slight sk...
if the boss counts single target and you run aoe talents then you're leaving your parse in the hands of your group
oblique trail
if the boss counts single target and you run aoe talents then you're leaving you...
People got 99s, even r1, with AoE talents on Rashanan when adds were removed
undone flower
until you get to brood
Im on egg duty ? Mmmmh what if I just don’t break it for parses
oblique trail
I've gotten single digit ranks on Sikran with AoE talents
Play well, with a degree of RNG luck as well, and you'll parse
remote bobcat
People got 99s, even r1, with AoE talents on Rashanan when adds were removed
I mean on rasha you dont run full aoe anyway
you can just not run improved whirlwind
oblique trail
You don't go full ST either 👍
smoky vale
Im on egg duty ? Mmmmh what if I just don’t break it for parses
bro that boss is cursed
undone flower
I've gotten single digit ranks on Sikran with AoE talents
Idk would need more context bc spectate logs patch can make that
undone flower
On that did you kill sikran on a wcl separation reset and you are NA
oblique trail
Mate
I'm EU, and you can go look at my logs if you care that much
Baneziwarr
Knock yourself out
undone flower
Im not doubting of you dude, I’m just asking for more
oblique trail
Here you go
Was rank 6 at the time of getting it, rank 30 after 2 weeks
As I said, with a degree of RNG luck as well
remote bobcat
Mechanic rng and also how good your group is
oblique trail
Welcome to parsing
remote bobcat
Then again you were 638 ilvl 20 days ago with presumably good statweights. Kinda ahead of the majority population dont you think?
Not to take away from it yknow
oblique trail
Being 638 ilvl at that point is not necessarily rare for anyone who has played this patch
And stats don't matter
smoky vale
^
undone flower
Everyone who played the patch since launch is 639 showed ilvl
summer quail
@mossy fox hello critcake, what stats do you have? i need to copy them to get rank 1. thank you
undone flower
Yeah like me, it’s also mid November I hit the ilvl stagnation
queen linden
Everyone who played the patch since launch is 639 showed ilvl
Not true lol. I've taken 9 sockets from the vault.
light ermine
any1 know what ilvl weapon gona be if i craft it with out embellished
oblique trail
The same ilvl as with an embellishment
Unless you mean without a crest
In which case, the max will be 606 ilvl
light ermine
with crest +20
oblique trail
So the Gilded Harbinger Crest?
light ermine
yes
oblique trail
Then the max will be 636
light ermine
ok tyvm
undone flower
Not true lol. I've taken 9 sockets from the vault.
After 3-4 sockets you didn’t think about taking the spark ?
hardy bluff
Not true lol. I've taken 9 sockets from the vault.
then try to do the raid
undone flower
Yeah me saying that was related to doing myth raid
After 3-5 first 4 reclears every slot they drop is on you
versed ingot
maybe a stupid question, but where do i find what portions of the boss fight count for warcraft logs? i heard that they removed the ad dmg from ulgrax recently and wanted to know where they post those changes?
oblique trail
If a fight has any specific filtering, it shows it between the timeline and everyones individual damage, in the damage done tab
Otherwise they post the changes in their Discord, or in polls on the front-page of WCLogs
versed ingot
oh thank you ill check that out i appreciate it
next canopy
Merry Christmas to all the warriors. 
🎅
bold plank
hey yal merry christmas ❤️ also jw if its been decided what best gems r for fury for new ring ❤️ if any1 knows lmk pls
oblique trail
It has been, you can find it in #updates-midnight
bold plank
@oblique trail never opened that tab in this disc. my bad thats a really cool section tyty ❤️
storm fathom skipper for aoe it looks like
clever belfry
junior gale
no hes said Banezi
dense elbow
Keep meat cleaver stacks up, rampage if ya can, press buttons so you can rampage again
junior gale
Benzai bonzai Binzea Banezi
Ben @covert blaze
fading sky
Keep meat cleaver stacks up, rampage if ya can, press buttons so you can rampage...
Buff meat clever 10%
dense elbow
Buff Odyn's Fury 51%, then the nodes by 300%
fading sky
At least after it doesnt work with avatar
dense elbow
I just hope they pack more punch into bladestorm and Odyn's again. But I doubt that.
The loss of TT is a good thing in my book, it just going to gut performance
winter shoal
I just hope they pack more punch into bladestorm and Odyn's again. But I doubt t...
Why is the TT change going to gut performance? I already don't play OF/TT in m+ spec
Honestly my fingers are crossed for AM Thane to be meta
Gameplay goes crazy
Damage kinda doodoo rn though
winter shoal
Consider this gio: no
smoky vale
dense elbow
I am glad you enjoy Thane.
OF no longer getting avatar is 20% on it, then 20% loss on the follow up value
That is a huge hit on the little to no value OF already brings
dense elbow
It does negative damage, for sure
Still, with the unbinding from Torment, maybe Odyn's will be allowed to hit hard. As it can't doubledip.
🙏
That was my monkeypaw wish since forever
junior gale
without a doubt there will be a buff to OF before 11.1 release
dense elbow
Can't wait for that 3% buff
junior gale
dont mind me jinxing you furys
winter shoal
tr on thane
Roar or titanic rage
smoky vale
rage
winter shoal
Titanic rage in general deadge
smoky vale
remember start of s4
dense elbow
Titanic Rage is still one of the most impactful "feels good" talents tho
smoky vale
of ripping threat on tanks
thick fossil
without a doubt there will be a buff to OF before 11.1 release
Nah, they'll buff onslaught before OF.
smoky vale
ah it was so nice
smoky vale
Nah, they'll buff onslaught before OF.
thick fossil
Lol
smoky vale
thats too far
junior gale
add onslaught back to UF and buff onslaught ty
dense elbow
Make Onslaught replace Execute, makes execute worth to press - win?
thick fossil
I mean if we're going the most cursed way possible, might as well go full out.
Execute is already pretty worthless to press.
dense elbow
OS as a glorified raging blow = sleep
OS as a glorifed execute = maybe wake?
I just want execute to hit hard, fair, you got me
smoky vale
I just want execute to hit hard, fair, you got me
play prot then
smoky vale
that shit does 1m per global
dense elbow
More than that, but ye
median willow
how much of a disparity is there between SMF and TG?
dense elbow
Btw, you guys tried playing the build doing executes instead of RB (slayer)? It isn't the worst, so if OS talents buffed execute, that would be viable 
Around 7-10% Emil, if things havent changed
median willow
thick fossil
That looks pretty cursed. Lol
dense elbow
It is kinda fun to play tho
Execute does something at least and often, I like execute and having SD procs be something to be happy about
Sims about 10% weaker tho, so there is a cost to the fun 
summer quail
This monstrosity
this seems like the st would be so ass
dense elbow
Isnt that bad, about 10% lower
median willow
no fun allowed
lootban
final violet
is slayer lil better for lower keys? ex 2-5 than thane? since mobs dies pretty quickly
dense elbow
Not really, Thane bursts a lot as well - and more often. Slayer is a bit better if you pull around it, but noone will
remote bobcat
,
summer quail
Not really, Thane bursts a lot as well - and more often. Slayer is a bit better ...
thane bursts as much as slayer, just not as fast. so in lower keys like prob wise to go slayer
dense elbow
Honestly, play what you prefer and find fun
winter shoal
how much of a disparity is there between SMF and TG?
5% or so
In single target at least
sinful spoke
i hope they let me get this during legion remix
i want this so bad
the mage tower artifact apearances are so nice
most of them
sonic shoal
How was the red one obtained? That’s the only one I’m missing
sinful spoke
summer quail
you can still get the red one if you have the original
sonic shoal
Well I guess I’m lucky the.
Got the blue, green and yellow ones, but missing the red
sinful spoke
i want them so bad
summer quail
i got the blue and green. no clue how to get the yellow
sonic shoal
Ohhhh then I mixed things up, sorry
summer quail
there is no yellow one
makes sense i've never seen it then ahahha
sonic shoal
Most of them have yellow so I assumed this one as well
sinful spoke
summer quail
this is the first tier in a few years where i swapped away from the green one
sonic shoal
Sadly I don’t have arms nor prot ones 😦
sonic shoal
For some reason 90% of the time I roll with artifacts looks, they are one of the best looking weapons to me
sinful spoke
do be like mop remix where we didnt get to earn the challenge mode stuff
its so stupid
sonic shoal
The hints on one of the reveals were that we might get a legion remix
summer quail
Sadly I don’t have arms nor prot ones 😦
ehh, i have the arms one as well. not very pretty but i wanted it anyway
sonic shoal
do be like mop remix where we didnt get to earn the challenge mode stuff
Didn’t play in DF so I missed that anyway :/
sinful spoke
itll probably come back
sonic shoal
But still in terms of transmogs there’s plenty to choose from so it’s livable
summer quail
do be like mop remix where we didnt get to earn the challenge mode stuff
oh if mop remix didn't bring challenge mode stuff zero chance you get mage tower appearances
summer quail
got no interest in remix unless they bring the class changes as well
if they do i will play alot
sonic shoal
I didn’t play later into legion, but apart from tier sets and mage tower I don’t remember wanting anything else tbh
What class changes you mean?
summer quail
What class changes you mean?
i mean if they give us legion version of the classes
like legion arms and legion fury
sonic shoal
Hell yeah.
summer quail
which they won't. but would be nice
sonic shoal
Bring back convergence of fates
sinful spoke
i mean we are realistically going to go into legion classic in like 4yrs
so
or maybe less
considering how fast cata is going
sonic shoal
I mean the fury changes in 11.1 might turn out many ways, but I doubt we will be able to go on with these without a direct dmg buff
And execute needs some love
Meanwhile prot changes are pulled out of their asses
summer quail
i mean we are realistically going to go into legion classic in like 4yrs
i'm worried they will stop at WoD since legion onwards is basically modern wow
sinful spoke
they cant not do legion
sonic shoal
I wonder why they want us try to relive the past instead of working on a new engine for WoW 2 or something
sonic shoal
they cant not do legion
It was too much of a hit to miss out on that, that’s true
fading sky
I wonder why they want us try to relive the past instead of working on a new eng...
Cash bro
fading sky
We all do??
sinful spoke
why r u surprised lol
fading sky
Not in wow for me
sonic shoal
I guess nostalgia sells and it’s easier to bring that than to come up with something new and great
sinful spoke
the majority of players
fading sky
But i play a lot of old games
fading sky
Bg 1-2-tob
summer quail
ofcourse i want to relive the past when the current has such shit design
sonic shoal
Yeah, but nostalgia will be just that. You won’t get the same feelings as you used to have
Especially knowing that there are new, better systems to come
Which you experienced
summer quail
when it comes to arms legion playstyle i will. when it comes to the content ofcourse not, that's unrealistic
fading sky
Modern wow is way betteg
summer quail
like if we had legion arms warrior the past few expansions i would have enjoyed arms way more
however i personally think fury has improved since legion. 99 stack jugg is cool on paper but you get a mechanic and drop the stacks and i was never a fan of furious slash
south kayak
Yeah, I agree
fading sky
Fury is perfect atm
south kayak
I think Fury has improved a lot since legion
summer quail
yea fury feels very good atm, just wish our capstones were a bit better. atleast with new RA it's an indirect buff to UF and DOI
south kayak
Haste from Enrage, Meat Cleaver being 100% better than Legion's, no rampage clipping, Furious Slash
Damage taken increased while enraged
All trash mechanics
summer quail
yupp
sinful spoke
Yeah I can't play classic after playing retail
unironically
classic fury
is insanely fun
that shit actually giga pumps
sinful spoke
the strongest class in the game
south kayak
dawg
dense elbow
Fury is perfect atm
playstyle is close to perfect, it feels fast and nippy. I just wish the AoE burst of Slayer wasn't nerfed to the ground
This might be the best Fury has ever felt tho to play
south kayak
Yeah it's not fun
press bloodthrist and WW on cd
use heroic strike sometimes
I'm playing legion pserver rn lmao
sonic shoal
Legion and SL felt pretty exciting to play due to burst. And I think SL felt better in terms of like execute phase. Right now execute sucks and it bothers me. But overall the gameplay is great
sonic shoal
Would just love to have AM be more competitive in dungs
south kayak
Actually rather AM be 45 sec cds
dense elbow
AM is there already, wdum?
south kayak
instead of dynamic
winter shoal
this was during classic when it first launched
Ah yes a healthy and diverse meta
sinful spoke
Ah yes a healthy and diverse meta
who cares abt diverse
i care abt warrior being fun
and strong
not other classes
lol
winter shoal
who cares abt diverse
I'm just xddChatting bud dw
south kayak
Ah yes a healthy and diverse meta
Look at the difference between the wcl stats between classic and Discovery season
sonic shoal
AM is there already, wdum?
Yeah, but it’s not as competitive in highs keys and it feels kinda ugghhh for me to play when you can’t perfectly line up cds
south kayak
summer quail
I'm playing legion pserver rn lmao
hell yeah! cs>ms>cs>exe>exe>cs>ms AHHHHHHHHHHH it feels so fucking good man
dense elbow
Yeah, but it’s not as competitive in highs keys and it feels kinda ugghhh for me...
Play Thane, AM/rav instead of OF, trust - it is strong
summer quail
so simple yet so satisfying
sonic shoal
Play Thane, AM/rav instead of OF, trust - it is strong
I feel no burst at all with that build. Tried it. Overall might come maybe the same but you don’t make packs disappear and single is worse
south kayak
hell yeah! cs>ms>cs>exe>exe>cs>ms AHHHHHHHHHHH it feels so fucking good man
Yeah when it resets
dense elbow
It has no burst, it has consistent AoE
you will lose burst, as ppl do 8mill, while you do 5mill
but you end up at the same overall
south kayak
dense elbow
It saying 92% and not 100% annoys me
south kayak
it's mastery
dense elbow
Fix it
south kayak
can't
dense elbow
summer quail
Yeah when it resets
yea but i'd rather have the rng and dopamine of cs resets than overpower
south kayak
sonic shoal
It has no burst, it has consistent AoE
Yeah and it’s the problem for me. I want my CD’s to feel powerful, but since we can’t get to shammy level I want them to at least be rotating through AM… But they then lose power. So it’s no fun at all
dense elbow
Warrior doesnt have impactful CDs atm, sadly. Closest you can get is slayer, that is weaksauce
So just drop that idea
south kayak
Reck is gonna be impactful with RA change
dense elbow
We can hope
sonic shoal
The whole idea of adding bleeds into fury is a missed idea. Arms got it and didn’t like it, why give it to us (it’s not like it’s our main source of damage, but still)
Warriors were always bursty
dense elbow
Not anymore tho
south kayak
I think adding a bleed to BB is a great idea
dense elbow
Bloodbath should bleed, as it "always" has been themed around
sonic shoal
Yeah, maybe that
But why Roar bleeding? Due to eardrums puncturing?
I don’t remember roar having that back when it was introduced in mop
Same goes for gush wounds
south kayak
Well, attacks make you bleed
sonic shoal
Make skills actually hit something and make them play off of each other
And return execute to its glory… No juggernaut but maybe condemn levels at least :/
dense elbow
I think it is fine as is. I dont mind bleed is in the profile to stagger things out. But I don't want some silly "do x, y and z, in order to modify based on U value" in Fury
Press button, do damage = Fun
fading sky
playstyle is close to perfect, it feels fast and nippy. I just wish the AoE burs...
Yeah mainly tuning issues, like playing a key as fury feels good
dense elbow
It really feels good - other than burst AoE that got gutted, and killed off
sonic shoal
Well I don’t want complicated rotations either, but in my opinion that bleed damage should be put into stuff like 10% bloodthirst damage after hitting crushing blow or something
south kayak
Fury's last row in Legion is completely locked due to Reckless Abandon lol
sonic shoal
Only bloodbath makes sense to make people bleed
dense elbow
Sense in what way?
Bleed is just DPS that comes as a DoT, to make profile less bursty
sonic shoal
Yeah, but why are we not bursty anymore?
sonic shoal
Rogue was always poison and bleeds damage
fading sky
We are bursty?
fading sky
We just arent fdk in keys bursty
sonic shoal
It’s not, but I’d rather have it as damage upfront
south kayak
Fuck that
sonic shoal
As we always used to have
south kayak
more upfront damage = pull aggro and die
south kayak
That means I'm broke
sonic shoal
That’s how it always been though
south kayak
not bad
sonic shoal
And they’re buffing tank aggro
dense elbow
I personally don't mind the gameplay of holding CDs a bit, as tank set up
but I know a lot of ppl do
fading sky
Give back first strike
dense elbow
I am pro burst, most ppl cant handle having burst
sonic shoal
Legion reck + nighthold trinks
dense elbow
Wasn't a fan of DoS, wasnt my class doing the dam, was the trinky :<
just felt wrong
sonic shoal
I will never understand why execute hits like a wet noodle
south kayak
fickle bluff
Wasn't a fan of DoS, wasnt my class doing the dam, was the trinky :<
dont worry if it came back today itd be garbage because of bfa trinket changes
sonic shoal
Wasn't a fan of DoS, wasnt my class doing the dam, was the trinky :<
Imo better than arcanocrystal
south kayak
real
winter shoal
Box what server are you on
dense elbow
Legion, the time when you went into LFR for legendary lottery - only to see pure LFR raiders in full BiS gear
good times
south kayak
Box what server are you on
wowbiz
fading sky
Facts
median willow
legion, where you didnt get a legendary for 3 months straight cuz that shit was bugged
dense elbow
100% better
uncut tangle
dense elbow
Only thing I would enjoy to bring back from Legion, is old Jugg into the new build. Let me do M+ with 99 stacks
remote bobcat
sonic shoal
Only thing I would enjoy to bring back from Legion, is old Jugg into the new bui...
That felt iffy to drop. That’s why I’d rather take condemn
summer quail
Only thing I would enjoy to bring back from Legion, is old Jugg into the new bui...
old jugg gigacringe, get 1 mechanic and you dropped all your stacks
sonic shoal
It was fun when you had that one pull and it went crazy
dense elbow
I live for that pull where I stack it up, everyone dies, my cheat death procs - I kill the boss
That is living
south kayak
summer quail
look at that ms damage
south kayak
going fury for third boss
dense elbow
Godspeed on the jugg stacks o7
clever path
Throwing 80 bucks out of the window
But
If you can and want to afford it
Enjoy!
Merry christmas hohoho
clever belfry
@oblique trail can u tell me if my stats are good??? maybe i improve on versadilidy???
summer quail
if your stats aren't exactly the same as revvez you can't parse
sinful spoke
LOL\
summer quail
be quiet brown name
clever belfry
i only ask respected role men
sinful spoke
i think u could use more mastery anda :3
summer quail
but bonsai tree man is danish
sinful spoke
more vers too
clever belfry
i think u could use more mastery anda :3
still didnt ask brown name?
sullen dove
roleist
summer quail
is it only yellows you respect andus?
clever belfry
maybe
dense elbow
Not by choice 
summer quail
i don't respect the blues, they have xan
dense elbow
Yellow better than blue, confirmed?
flat river
and we all are busted
dense elbow
Better dead than red
flat river
Better dead than red <:Rampage:592471610536099840>
did u leave the server and come back?
dense elbow
yes?
flat river
susge
dense elbow
OF changes hit, I come bakk
flat river
they buffed odyns?
dense elbow
My monkeypaw wish came true, TT and OF unlinked, I see that as a win
Now we pray for OF tuning to be good 🙏
Also, the reck being a CD CD, makes me glad
radiant plank
dense elbow
I am sure tuning will hit the mark
dense elbow
young swan
Also, the reck being a CD CD, makes me glad
dense elbow
Toxic Xan still toxic
young swan
the RA change would be fine if every other thing that was in the notes didnt actively work against each other
dense elbow
I will wait for the 2nd pass of things before I put on my doomer hat
TT is gone, I am content
young swan
yeah thats a good change
what they replaced it with just screams out of touch tho
similar story with the RA change
dense elbow
Will be good for PvP, cheaper rampages lets you back to back em easier for MS stack uptime
Still, soon the patchnotes are updated with OF buffs - all will be right and just in the world
radiant plank
Buff onslaught
young swan
I'd be willing to give them more leeway but if this is the best they could come up with in 2 years idk man
2 changes that work counter to each other and a tierset that neither play nicely with
good shit
dense elbow
Smh, gotta be less doomer, we got to believe in steve. It will be alright, the notes will show it - you just dont have the whole picture yet
Trust, till broken
then doom
young swan
yeah thats a great way to get a shit spec
young swan
get mad at everything or suffer the consequences
whole yacht
just swap warlock
young swan
thats the only thing blizzard is responsive to
dense elbow
I would be mad, but I got some good will built up in the changes
A chance is deserved
young swan
good choice
whole yacht
everything i enjoy playing gets innevitably shit on
why keep playing 😦
just gonna patiently wait for mop classic
young swan
im excited for mop classic
I was liek
10 or 12 or something when it was in its hayday
whole yacht
same
young swan
excited to experience it with more years
whole yacht
i never got to fully experience or understand it
clever belfry
ok boomer
young swan
arent u literally older than me
clever belfry
maybe
whole yacht
super excited to play it with much more understanding of the game
gonna play monk, warrior, lock
clever path
Arms
whole yacht
my foot is cold
thick fossil
This is the very petty me speaking, but I'd love warrior to be super meta. That way I can flip the switch on the meta only clowns.
winter shoal
Just enjoy your time at the top bud
cosmic flume
just swap warlock
The only war- they care about
whole yacht
true
flat river
The only war- they care about
i mean warrior is just before warrior in patchnotes
they focus on the first one
and forgor the second one
bleak olive
#makeodynsfurygreatagain
thick fossil
I'll settle for #MakeWarriorsGreatAgain
iron portal
Make world a better place
cosmic flume
The only MAGA I care about is Make Arms Great Again
thick fossil
Make world a better place
Ultimately, yes. This would be fantastic.
Merry Christmas everyone.
iron portal
Making a world of WARCRAFT a better place works too
Merry christmas to you too , sly fox
dense elbow
God Jul, Osaliske
willow cradle
i mean warrior is just before warrior in patchnotes
Yes
jagged torrent
Just to make sure I understand the currently known changes for 11.1:
Right now having Reckless Abandon means every time you use Rampage, Crushing Blow and Bloodbath are usable once until you use Rampage again.
In 11.1, they'll be usable as many times as you can want in the Recklessness window, but never outside of it.
Did I understand it right?
modest condor
yes
slim coral
should be a fun time
thick fossil
Doubt.
south kayak
Easier to tune, just buff Bt and Rb
charred estuary
If everything stays the same as those latest patch notes it feels like bloodbath is gonna be mega prio, like above everything thats not a CD
tawny pivot
Hopefully it'll make mountain king a better pick
Because you can just spam bloodthirst with burst of power (If you're lucky)
Just be lucky
modest condor
those bladestorms and ravagers with unhinged are gonna be juicy
flat river
REAL
thick fossil
DoI and the proc of reck might be worth it as well.
charred estuary
Yeah I was thinking that too if that bleed really stacks infinitely, reck bladestorm with extra slayer ticks is gonna be nuts
gilded pawn
only thing kinda sucks is that they stack in duration not the damage
so a lot of it isnt going to be affected by roar buff
but its probably fine
charred estuary
Thats true but If im reading this correctly and doing good napkin math if you get a 10 tick bladestorm in lust and use every other gcd on Bloodbath that bleed will probably reach a 60s+
a fully stacked bladestorm is already 30s by itself
WIth just 12s reck, 4.5s bloodthirst, and no lust I can get 7 hits on a target during reck (36s)
charred estuary
sorry not 10 its 8
sage wadi
Guys, please help me, I just leveled my warrior to 80, and I dont have a clue about what I'm doing wrong, can someone look at my log?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HL4gPJKDZvB87pC1?fight=last&type=damage-done
I'll send it on log review sorry
thick fossil
Guys, please help me, I just leveled my warrior to 80, and I dont have a clue ab...
What's your ilvl?
thick fossil
So one thing I see right off the bat, you're enrage time is low.
sage wadi
Hm
lost saffron
sudden tusk
lost saffron
@sudden tusk Hell
sage wadi
You're at 68% enrage uptime. Should be closer to 90.
@_@
Maybe I need to press more buttons
My CPM is low
Burst rotation is fine?
thick fossil
Rampage, bloodbath, and crushing blow is your top, which is right. I didn't go through it with a comb.
lost saffron
@_@
Do you have a singletarget log
mythic+ is not very telling because there is so much shit that can happen
Youre only 628 and your trinket are pretty bad
lost saffron
You're at 68% enrage uptime. Should be closer to 90.
Cant really say that with the way m+ is logged
storm rune
yeah their boss enrage uptime was good, only downtime I saw was during mechanics
still missing quite a few BB/CBs, but not bad by any means
lost saffron
I just quickly checked their logs and I noticed they were playing mountain thane on bloodbound horror
which is ehhhhh
but 92% enrage uptime which is completely fine
thick fossil
Cant really say that with the way m+ is logged
Oh, do those logs also include all the out of combat time?
storm rune
yes, which is why things like buff uptimes aren't set in stone
storm rune
definitely okayish
lost saffron
if he plays the correct specc and practices some more it will improve alot
sage wadi
Bloodbath I should use everytime its available? Or I need to buff it with Raging Blow?
storm rune
I don't have a log that isn't prot in GB since mid november so I can't comment much for that particular dungeon lol
sage wadi
I mean, If I have Bloodbath available I should press it (since I have whirlwind up)
sage wadi
Cool
lost saffron
You should never skip a bloodbath procc
thick fossil
Especially in aoe
sullen dove
theres been like 3 or 4 for like 2 weeks
flat river
my 600 ilvl ret paladin 
winter shoal
Ret is cheating for overall in low keys
lost saffron
That is low key at this point
thick fossil
Well, lower-mid. 14-15s are still title range.
winter shoal
Everything I can do easily is a low key
Everything I have to lock in for is giga gamer shit
sinful spoke
those bladestorms and ravagers with unhinged are gonna be juicy
how about u juice :THIS:
smoky vale
bowwl speaks the truth
thick fossil
It's not wrong, lol.
smoky vale
last night full guild group doing 10s randomly do a 12
we didnt notice until 2nd boss when we got one shot
for 0
0 thought during the 10s
was fun!
thick fossil
The weird part is that 12s are like 10s to me now, and 14+ are so few you either run your own or get a team.
flat river
🖐️
Hello hand, i played retribution because i was tired and wanted to play a brainded class
orchid dagger
Wants to play a braindead class doesn't play fury
He wants to play a good braindead class
spare steppe
Wants to play a braindead class doesn't play fury
A good ret has to think about all of their other utility
Fury doesn’t have to worry about others
slim coral
Wants to play a braindead class doesn't play fury
Fury requires lots of pre planning and critical decision making
clever path
Wants to play a braindead class doesn't play fury
nah that title goes to bm hunter
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> can u tell me if my stats are good??? maybe i improve on v...
I think you should get more :balls:
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/...
Did you mention green spongie?!
warm crag
I think you should get more :balls:
hello!
covert blaze
sullen dove
ball
sullen dove
hap hankahcowmad
bitter palm
crimas in 2 weeks tho..
covert blaze
sullen dove
https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-humble-cat-humble-fish-glo-glo-gif-521321992173...
hap birday B)
covert blaze
thank you boo
sullen dove
sudden tusk
warm crag
fickle bluff
uneven path
bitter palm
oblique trail
The magic 8 ball says perhaps
vernal furnace
Hopefully not another reroll angle
oblique trail
I don't know what you're expecting, but if you want to do the most damage then you should expect to reroll
It's way too early right now to say what's gonna be meta, or how much damage we'd potentially do
vernal furnace
I want to impress the draenei e-girl in my guild with my pumper fury damage but blizzard is cockblocking me
oblique trail
Only one stopping you is yourself
faint whale
Sounds like skill issue to me
hidden kite
Warriors will never be meta in m+ im afraid
sinful spoke
Just play dk
Unholy is better arms
And frost is better fury
They both do more dmg than warrior
Specially unholy
white rampart
Am I missing something? Using the Thunderlord's Citrine is a 100K dps downgrade from the all stats one. But, according to wowhead, Thunderlord's is our BiS?
oblique trail
Are you simming ST or AoE
white rampart
ST
oblique trail
Link the sim
white rampart
ST with MT build though, not sure if that makes a difference. I am doing this because I will most likely do the MT build for majority of Fury fights. But, I still want to do ST damage as my focus.
oblique trail
The comparison is you only simming the Thunderlords in the ring, nothing else
Compared to one with both Fathomdweller and Legendary
white rampart
ah ok thank you
oblique trail
It seems to be a bit weird with simming the Citrines if you only pick one, so I'd try again but pick both of the gems you already have socketed, then it should be equal (or very slightly better)
white rampart
yup just tried and it is +682 damage upgrade haha
oblique trail
It will start being ahead of Stormbringer as the ilvls increase
white rampart
btw has anyone tried lossles scaling with WoW? I am not sure if it is placebo, but I feel like there's a good amount of FPS boost with it. But, I am wondering if using it is agains ToS because it's technically a third-party app and not an add-on.
oblique trail
There have been, and it shouldn't be against ToS no
white rampart
ok thank god. i literally can't play without it now.
oblique trail
Personally however I'm not a fan of it, nor anything else that'd potentially allow input latency
white rampart
I noticed that it doesn't improve input latency (I know that's what matters) or at least noticeably, but I use it for smoother gameplay.
fluid cedar
7
clever belfry
I think you should get more :balls:
this is not very helpful!!!!
oblique trail
this is not very helpful!!!!
I did my best!
restive granite
so I just downloaded the wagio app to update some weak auras cause it was not letting me do it through the page
and i got a bitcoin notification of some sort xD?
clever belfry
without u taking any screenshots atleast its a bit hard telling u whats wrong
also probably better to go on something more related with WA and ask about it
clever belfry
I did my best!
i dont think u did!
clever belfry
i can just measure dn however?
light ermine
any pro player can give me god tips for good rotation ? i do so bad damage on mythic
radiant plank
pro player @oblique trail
clever belfry
yes i think banezi may be qualified
light ermine
😦
clever belfry
your question is the most unfocused thing, it is really hard to give any assistance when u practically say "explain all"
light ermine
maybe i need practic more on rotation idk why i have hight gear score but do so shjt damage
oblique trail
Mr @clever belfry is an ex-MDI and R1 holder in M+ so I think he's the most qualified individual here
clever belfry
maybe i need practic more on rotation idk why i have hight gear score but do so...
just look at thy guides again and log what youre doing
just saying "i do bad damage" without looking back and evaluating what you did doesnt help you, nor anyone trying to help
clever belfry
Mr <@173741974493462528> is an ex-MDI and R1 holder in M+ so I think he's the mo...
these are frabrications and lies
light ermine
i am 2 months new to the game and almost 1 month new to warrior i dont even know how to check log xD
clever belfry
unironically play some "easy" content and focus mostly on how youre doing damage to get the reps in
doing good damage during hard situations with, or without, having a lot of reps is the difficult thing in this game
light ermine
ok thanks man
clever belfry
jagged torrent
As is the case with everything, practise makes perfect. Practise until the decision making becomes second nature and you don't have to think too much about when to use what ability anymore
covert blaze
https://raider.io/characters/eu/turalyon/Vnwarrior?utm_source=addon
you have 1 duskthread 1 ascendance
recraft your cloak to have writhing armor banding
light ermine
i was crafting like wowhead
covert blaze
you either go 2 stat embellishments or 1 ascendance and 1 nerubian doubler (writhing armor banding)
you are using 1 of each combo
covert blaze
for what purpose
light ermine
so just cloak i need recraft ?
covert blaze
you should sim yourself
but yes
use the weapon embellish plus the one that doubles its effects
light ermine
ok tyvm
radiant plank
Failed experiment
sudden tusk
we're gonna be using darkmoon sigil ascendence the entire expansion if they dont add something better
radiant plank
shoulda been retired in df
sudden tusk
all the add is +damage and nothing interesting
radiant plank
in classic blizzard faction they will nerf darkmoon so we move to the 2nd best one, see lariat
sudden tusk
you just run 2x most damage and nothing else
all of this just to keep crafting relevent and increasing the gold burden on the playerbase
i still cant beleive how expensive it was on launch
imagine if all embelishments were utility
radiant plank
should be shit like invis belt, rocket boots etc
sudden tusk
ive seen people say embelishes should igive +3 ilvl, but that would make our BiS weapon crafted every tier
and to combat that they would have to add a special weapon of each type just to make it not bis from raid
way too boring
imagine if we could get like raid buff embelishments or a weaker version
like for M+ we could slot in like 3% phys if we didnt have a monk
or 2% magic depending on the group
you'd still run crafted items for all content especially with how myth track works now
radiant plank
Scrolls but complicated
sudden tusk
yeah raid buffs prob not the best idea
radiant plank
You would have one guy running motw embe in key, other one is running dh debuff
xdd
god comp would be
even realer
sudden tusk
idk just the whole +damage is so boring
radiant plank
I mean they are hard to balance
oblique trail
I think it'd just exacerbate another problem instead
radiant plank
IF they make the defensive only, you would run them on prog and they become dead after that
oblique trail
Less incentive to bring classes that bring a buff, that'd make up for them being slightly weaker than absolute meta classes
radiant plank
I would honestly be happy with just only crafting yeah
like no embels
gives people powerspike dopamine
that will eventually get replaced with stronger item
sudden tusk
depending on the stats might not be replaced
radiant plank
Yeah if there is such an extreme case like enha and not wanting queen ring etc
and its a nice alternative to hunting 639 m+ rings from box
radiant plank
yep
sudden tusk
i miss sporecloak
flat river
Wants to play a braindead class doesn't play fury
fury has to thonk these days 
clever belfry
where
bitter palm
where
do i rb or bb at 88.764% crit chance (0.1% dps increase)
(literally doesnt matter)
clever belfry
most people will legit do less dps if they try to think about these things.
actually negative dps contribution
bitter palm
even if u can think about these things and gain dps
its so miniscule
its not worth it
wintry breach
Is it just me or are you not abole to get all gems this week? for the new ring