fury

[young swan]

BLACK WIDOW TOO LMFAO

[clever belfry]

me when i NEED to be sexually attracted to every woman in my videogame

[young swan]

the movie skin gives her a dumptruck

its fucking wild

[radiant plank]

Why else would it be 3rd person

[sudden tusk]

i do think they need to buff the actuall melee damage

[clever belfry]

sells skins better

[sudden tusk]

of all non melee focused heroes

i should lose 1v1 if i let them in for free but i should do more then piss dam

[radiant plank]

@sudden tusk related to your arms yap sesh

how cringe is this

[sudden tusk]

yeah i didnt have the thing to look at at the time

but with collo arterial bleed plus SkS and uproar i feel like its probably worth dropping a point in cruel for it

[radiant plank]

Ok but what if we just dont spec into bleeds

and go spear

[sudden tusk]

well its either we go bleed dam, or we go have to hit 5 targets to boost dam

so bleed always wins out

i feel like they nerfed Twords becuase of the fury changes so once again arms gets a nerf becuase of fury

but it will still be good

[south kayak]

If they reworked RA like that they need to buff the rotational damage by a lot

[sudden tusk]

fury tier set is also just nothing again

[radiant plank]

Chat did I cook

[sudden tusk]

prone to even MORE rng on if we get Bloodbath 50/50s in execute durign CDs with Vicious contempt

not lookin forward to that

[south kayak]

Buff bt rb rampage pls

[young swan]

this isnt a very good fury build

[south kayak]

Yet again we don’t get huge changes when we need them the most

And classes who are fine get so many

Looks like next tier isnt warrior main angle either

[bitter palm]

finally

overwatch competitor

[south kayak]

Also warrior tier sets are fucking awful compared to everyone else

Trash tier class

[maiden ingot]

Oh god, no. Please god no.

[south kayak]

Thoughts on changes

[young swan]

meh

[junior gale]

omega value fucking huge

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-dark-souls-dark-souls3-dark-souls2-bloodborne-gif-23480465

[radiant plank]

deep wounds dam

[junior gale]

the one true bleed

[summer crater]

"while creating stronger cooldown windows at the cost of a weaker general rotation" Wasn't this why we were nerfed at the start? Or am I missing something?

[young swan]

yeah lol

[radiant plank]

Double of was the issue

[junior gale]

see blizz doesnt use a lot of dev brain power for warrior we only get the scraps thats why everyone else gets brand new talents and abillities

[lofty delta]

we're swapping to AM next season right with the RA gutting?

[south kayak]

I actually like what they did to RA

[young swan]

way to early to give a real answer

[young swan]

i do too

[radiant plank]

ra gutting?

new ra reads good

[lofty delta]

doesn't read good for outside of cd's

[south kayak]

But I wish we’d get things fixed like our capstone

[flat river]

Same but only if they buff the unbridled ferocity

[clever belfry]

that's the point

[south kayak]

They said that’s the intent lol

[lofty delta]

gross

[radiant plank]

uf + doi ra seems fun

from first glance

[clever belfry]

UF can Frick off

[flat river]

Funny how i have more recklessness uptime in PvP than in PvE

[south kayak]

To be fair ra change does make some of our capstones way better

Doi and uf

I feel like that’s not enough and they need to buff BB and CB more

The buffs they gave to them

Are kinda scuffed

[young swan]

well

this is like

[south kayak]

10% crit damage to CB

[young swan]

1 week of changes

[south kayak]

Fair

[young swan]

not like this is it for ptr

wouldnt be surprised if this represented less than like

[south kayak]

It’s just funny that classes that are well off are getting way more changes than classes that desperately need a lot of them

[young swan]

30% of the total changes for ptr

[young swan]

yeah who knows man

[south kayak]

Hope the tier sets are buffed

They look bad

Maybe I’m wrong but it reads bad

Dps wise

Easy to buff though

[flat river]

"we feel like fury is in a good place so we didn't want to change it" proceeds to gut it

[elfin vortex]

Do we know if the talent changes are overall buff,nerf or kinda no difference?

[oblique trail]

We don't know

[south kayak]

Dps tuning comes after changes

[alpine haven]

Give me accurate sims right now that predict season 3 already

[south kayak]

I really like warrior set transmog wise tho

[golden hare]

omg afro haiii

[alpine haven]

Omg its me

[radiant plank]

its disgusting btw how good the tierset for ranged dps is vs melee

[summer crater]

No, I'll predict Midnight for you (dps warriors won't be meta in mythic+ but probably decent in raids)

[radiant plank]

having a guaranteed proc of it when you press your cds

is cheating

[alpine haven]

Leak the perfected sims and tier lists already so I can blacklist specs from doing my +2 keys

[radiant plank]

aug sims 1

[golden hare]

Hey guys, so in TWW S2 my guild will take a more serious approach to raiding and start progressing Heroic, so I need to prepare. Could you guys basically write down the entire rotation, for every single situation, two months before the patch comes out? I am a very serious player, and most definitely a min/maxer, so I need to know! Do we use Execute when the guy gets below 35% or what? Is it worth it? I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for fury? Oh and by the way, fury or arms in TWW s2? xD or is it too soon to say

[radiant plank]

and is swamp ass tier

[elfin vortex]

You are right

[alpine haven]

I love patch notes day

[summer crater]

Yes to all your questions

[golden hare]

[young swan]

"I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for fury?" by far my favourite line

[golden hare]

did derpingtoast make it himself

[young swan]

i didnt even know derp made it lmfao

[golden hare]

it's pinned in offtopic 6years ago i just remember it every time notes like this come out

big fan

6 years ago...

[young swan]

love derp

he quit wow to be a semi-pro tekken player

[golden hare]

mad W

[flat river]

I cooked

ST build

[alpine haven]

show me the sims rn

[young swan]

im going to be honest I dont think we use spear with new BB

[radiant plank]

i dont think

u will take

[young swan]

yeah

[radiant plank]

cruel strikes

[young swan]

oh

[radiant plank]

u are still fury

[young swan]

yeah cruel strikes is fake

[radiant plank]

you dont care about execute

[young swan]

what if hes giga braining and knows theres a 50% execute buff coming

[flat river]

Shhh

[oblique trail]

well we're forced to take SD now

so

[radiant plank]

I would believe if he was anyone else but Gala

[oblique trail]

👍

[flat river]

[radiant plank]

Just play thane lol lmao even

[alpine haven]

My inside source has told me Fury is being removed, is this true

[radiant plank]

yes

[young swan]

hopefully

[south kayak]

Wonder how much damage the dot will do

[young swan]

180% AP

[south kayak]

Would be funny if it’s better than cshb

[young swan]

over 6 seconds

[radiant plank]

big

[young swan]

it is literally better than cshb

by a lot

[south kayak]

Does it cleave

[young swan]

impossible to know

[south kayak]

Ok

[young swan]

but no reason it shouldnt

[south kayak]

Yeah they’re trying to make bb a lot better than cb

No way 10% crit damage even comes close to the dot

[radiant plank]

xan is my thane build cooked

i havnt specced fury since my week2 ovinax reclear

[south kayak]

Oh thane because of BT buffs?

[radiant plank]

thane because I dont like bladestorm

[south kayak]

I wonder if thane is gonna be better in st now

[young swan]

is this like

[south kayak]

[radiant plank]

raid st

[young swan]

funny 11.1 feely craft

oh

[radiant plank]

Yeah

for 11.1

[south kayak]

Hopefully thane better than slayer st

[young swan]

man idk i log in once per week

[south kayak]

Next patch

[radiant plank]

its funny tc for 11.1 st

[young swan]

yeah thats prob fine

[south kayak]

I haven’t thought about unhinged proccing BBs

[young swan]

i wanna know how BB stacks

[south kayak]

Damn

That’s insane

Thoughts on titan former

Torment

[young swan]

like if its capped to 12 seconds, titans torment is basically worthless

[south kayak]

No way it’s better than zerker with new ra

[young swan]

if its not, its prob brokenly strong

so

which is it!

[radiant plank]

has potential if they crank UF %

[radiant plank]

worthless as per blizzard track record

[south kayak]

Nah with this amount of damage in cds, I don’t think they’ll buff Uf now

If they do they’ll nerf ra

60 rage rampage

[north geyser]

so if I'm reading the changes correctly, sudden death is mandatory for all slayers now even in cleave/M+ spec?

[south kayak]

[radiant plank]

i mean

60 rage rampage

[south kayak]

That’s carnage right

[radiant plank]

just reads "go RA + UF

[young swan]

yeah

[radiant plank]

yes

[south kayak]

It does especially with the cd reduction on bt

[radiant plank]

didnt even know it has bt cdr now lmao

[south kayak]

So more bbs

[young swan]

i think -1.5s makes it every other gcd

pretty sure anyways

like 99%

[radiant plank]

yeah

[south kayak]

Execute going down even more so

[radiant plank]

yeah

thats why im thinking

thane stonks

[young swan]

its possible

[south kayak]

Possible they buff it tho

[young swan]

probable even

[radiant plank]

thane fury or colossus arms tier

monkas

[north geyser]

i don't think it'll be thane stonks as much as slayer no stonks

[young swan]

might set us up for an execute buff in 11.1.5 or some shit

"holy fuck they actually just dont press that button what the fuck guys"

[north geyser]

bro pass the hopium

[radiant plank]

fury only execute buff

pls dont buff arms execute

[south kayak]

Real

Have you guys seen enha changes

[radiant plank]

no

[young swan]

saw a bit on max's stream

[south kayak]

They nerfed elemental dogs

So it’s 10% damage instead of 20%

Buffed builders

Less spenders

[hardy bluff]

You can't call ele players dogs man

Toxic

[south kayak]

Btw how fucking good is the ksm mount

[hardy bluff]

What is it

[young swan]

show

[young swan]

erh

[south kayak]

Reminds me of the arachnotrons in doom

Lol

[radiant plank]

big G is better

[young swan]

mech mounts do nothing for me

[south kayak]

Ofc it is

It’s a mythic raid mount

Do not ever go on wowhead on mobile

Trash website

[river reef]

looks like a scuffed version of mechagon mounts

[south kayak]

You’re a scuffed version

Also I’m glad they nerfed dk defensives

[river reef]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-bite-orange-cat-orange-cat-attack-gif-10142361798712867466

[south kayak]

Took a while

Are dks gonna have more HP than everyone else still

[fading sky]

Ofc dks be cookin

[south kayak]

Oh uh

SL WW back on the menu

[digital bronze]

man i just gave up on ww

[undone flower]

It is hard to imagine how it feels to be a brewmaster player

4-5 patch in a row there is not even an entry with your spec name that prove you exist

[south kayak]

fury buff

[gloomy zenith]

xD

[south kayak]

We're getting Dinars back so that's pog

[gloomy zenith]

how strong or weak are the 11.1 changes to fury and prot? Get we back to dps classes?

[summer crater]

50% buffs

[gloomy zenith]

for sure?

[south kayak]

He's joking

[summer crater]

I have no idea

[south kayak]

We don't know

[gloomy zenith]

oh naaa

phh

but we need 50% buff

to go smash smash more then now xD

[undone flower]

You might know what it feels to be a fire mage outside of combustion

[gloomy zenith]

sadge

[south kayak]

Finally

New Talent: Screaming Brutality – Blade Dance automatically triggers Throw Glaive on your primary target for 100% damage and each slash has a 50% chance to Throw Glaive an enemy for 35% damage.

[radiant plank]

Havoc changes are pog

[south kayak]

The fact this wasn't included in the first season or the beta/alpha

was wild

Probably ran out of time

[gloomy zenith]

stupid dh

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gambling-gamble-gambler-gambling-addiction-gif-25801242

[undone flower]

I missed that

[south kayak]

poggers

[south kayak]

I saw

@radiant plank

mastery stonks going down

[errant vessel]

isn't Know Your Enemy way more toxic for their stat prio

or limiting rather

anyone know if it makes sense to do weeklies/dailies in the new place or if it's purely catchup?

like if I just care about upgrading my circlet + getting the gems asap

[south kayak]

Hmm, no clue

[undone flower]

You might just want to grab gems once on a char because they are not available each week

[errant vessel]

tyvm!

[flat river]

Thinking of switching to BM this season

[undone flower]

I tried maybe a month ago but not having tank queue is a no no for me

[devout totem]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[undone flower]

So I’m trying Druid/evoker now

[south kayak]

[coral dock]

how is it that if i get kicked from a dungeon, I get the deserter debuff? I am trying to farm timewalking tokens on my 11 twink and the group didn't like it i guess

[clever belfry]

Blizzard silly

that's how

[jolly marten]

hey brothers, did i read right? They are happy with how fury warriors perform

oh boy

this is happiness

[thick fossil]

500k to 700k diff between bottom and top. Could be worse I suppose.

[jolly marten]

its like having an extra tank dmg dps...

[eternal sundial]

This was a stellar tier for fury

Idk man

[south seal]

Blizz devs are delusional istg

[thick fossil]

Not sure I'd say stellar tier. Stellar first few weeks maybe.

[south seal]

Need a salary nerf

[vernal laurel]

Worse, they are happy with the current DESIGN 😦

[eternal sundial]

Fury completely smurfed all relevant bosses

With it's damage profile

[jolly marten]

the fact that some ppl and devs thing that fury warrior is op is a proof that they know bs about this game.. its ok for ppl but for devs is not

[eternal sundial]

Id say that's good

Not enha but good and we can be happy abt that

[bitter palm]

what do you know u uninstalled wow

[eternal sundial]

I played the game way back (season 1) and can recall my experience

Oldge

[thick fossil]

Yeah, and we paid for those sins in giga nerfs multiple times.

[bitter palm]

👴

[jolly marten]

its not only the burst, its the dmg profile that fits very well with the current raid... in pure ST and in m+ Fury is D tier.. as its stated from the pic

[eternal sundial]

Ok but m+ is minigame content

And i dont think they balance for it anyways

[jade cipher]

yeah m+ is mini game but raid that you do 2 times for 3 hours per week is main content

[eternal sundial]

To them ye

[thick fossil]

I do more m+ than raid. So it's no mini game to me.

[eternal sundial]

You dont do class balance though

Unfortunate

[jade cipher]

M+ is their whole game man i think you are wrong on this

[sage ridge]

Which website is that chart from?

[fickle bluff]

Phil I've sinned, I've done m+ since finishing the tier (BTM)

[thick fossil]

Balance should mean all content not one aspect. That's why pvp is so fucked these days.

[eternal sundial]

Sinner repent

Reach level 20 in classic

[south kayak]

It really isn't lol

They have the data and stats

[eternal sundial]

Psure raid boosts make them more wow tokens too

[jade cipher]

the reason retail stays more relevant for longer time is existense of m+, otherwise oyu log you do raid you log off

[jolly marten]

i had a great m+ experience yesterday, i logged in, i waited for 40mins to form a group for a SV 12, it was going well but we wiped at Skarmorak, so another 20 mins wasted, then i joined another 2 groups for +10, both lasted 10min till everyone started deserting.. i spent like 2 hours doing literaly nothing.. great experience

[lethal dew]

am i missing something or this is just straight up ench buff

it would make sence to reduce tempest damage if they buff melee abilities

but i cant find that in notes

[south kayak]

They did reduce the buff of elemental wolves from 20% to 10%

[restive edge]

What do we think about the S2 tier set bonuses?

[south kayak]

This is just them buff the builders because the spenders are doing way too much damage and and builders are doing barely anything

[thick fossil]

Then I am an anomaly, seeing that I spend vastly more time in m+. Like a lot more time.

[lethal dew]

im reading all those changes to ench and i just get madder and madder
'warrior is in ok state right now so we nerf bloodsurge and thats it'
'ench is busted most op class in game, well we gotta buff it and also 1000 qol changes on top'

[south kayak]

This bufff isn't as big as you think it is

[thick fossil]

I am surprised shaman didn't get gutted.

[south kayak]

Still might get, these are the first of the changes

[bleak olive]

So no more bb and cb outside of burst windows? This makes me sad, anyone else sad?

[south kayak]

no

[restive edge]

Are there class changes coming? I only saw the tier sets.

[thick fossil]

#updates-midnight message

[quick schooner]

where can i see which gem combination is Bis for mythic plus and raid . the one in wowhead i dont know for which it is

[jolly marten]

Fury is overall in a place we are happy with, and we’re taking this opportunity to redesign some talents to keep their effects unique and powerful.

Fury is overall in a place we are happy with
Fury is overall in a place we are
Fury is overall in a place we
Fury is overall in a
Fury is happy

[quick schooner]

i switch from fury to DK because even tho i play fury better i am doing much more DPS on DK unholy . To my suprise when they buffed for 11.0.7 they buffed the DK instead of warrior XD

i stoped trying to understand wow Dev and just

[thick fossil]

Fury is
FTFY

[radiant plank]

Fury isn't

[jolly marten]

at this point we are happy with just not doing tank dmg

[eternal sundial]

Fury is overall in a place we are happy with
Fury is overall in a place we are
Fury is overall in a place we
Fury is overall in a
Fury is happy
Fury is
Fury

[jolly marten]

i hope the new raid wont have many non elite adds cause if it has get ready for some heavy nerfs lads

[vernal laurel]

We were close to that mark at one point, but we are not far off from it now

[bleak olive]

How is no one else pissed that we’re losing our semi fun ramp cb bb combo and now going to only having fun for a few secs of cool-downs then twiddle thumbs again

[lethal dew]

Odyns fury is not capped at 1 targets
*Developer note: reroll shaman nerds *

[vernal laurel]

Odyns fury might as well heal the mobs at this point

They had it right at the start of the xpack

Then gutted it in a kneejerck nerf

[jolly marten]

they had data from normal Rashanan and from blue non tier set gear..

fury is doing crazy dmg on the goats outside dornogal... nerf it fast

[bitter palm]

should let odyns give us some cb bb

maybe like s3 tier

after u odyns u get idk 3 bbs

[lethal dew]

odyns gives us cba playing this shit

[grim prism]

odyn fury literally summons odyn

[inner harbor]

that would be tuff

[onyx musk]

they wont remove the soft cap we had with OF and roar? 😢 so sad

[errant vessel]

just actively troll AOE fights in heroic week and we'll get uncapped whirlwind (surely)

[lament lagoon]

So looks like we are NOT back for this patch, back to classic 🫡

[clever path]

can i make details hidden when im not in combat ?

[rocky spoke]

shouldn't you want the opposite ?

[raw canyon]

Judging by how horrible fury is, I don't wanna see details at all

[clever path]

i wanna hide it when im out of combat

[warm crag]

so horrible you're top dps on the hardest prog fights in the game rn

[raw canyon]

Add padding

[warm crag]

someone has to do it and lets everyone else spec more st

and you barely lose st for it shrug

[raw canyon]

So you're saying you're happy where Fury is right now?

[warm crag]

balancing wise ye its fine

i don't like the playstyle but we're not weak by any means

[raw canyon]

I respectfully disagree. I wouldn't mind less pad and more ST focused damage

[warm crag]

play a different spec then

not every spec is intended to be able to access every niche

[raw canyon]

How do you explain ret pally then?

[tropic ocean]

I am still having trouble with the rotation, my opener is where i need it to be but i end up missing about 100k in damage on a 5 minute patchwerk sim, i do 840k when i am supposed to be at 937-940....im kinda really confused..

[raw canyon]

Way more util, more ST damage, can pad almost as well

[warm crag]

note the intended part

historically ret was not able to tap into good st while maintaining their aoe idk if thats still the case

[rocky spoke]

press BB and CB more

[raw canyon]

It just doesnt make sense for Shamans to get better and better, while we get worse and worse. Hard to keep up with other classes. That's my point. We have 0 util. Especially in M+. So we should have the damage to compensate, and we dont

[radiant plank]

Utility is fake

🥱

[violet condor]

every time they say "were happy with where fury is" feels like a slap to the face when were never meta, have no utility or brez or bloodlust and when we were gonna be meta we got nerfed 12 times in 1.5months so badly it became a meme

[warm crag]

do you just want to be meta in m+ for a season or what is your wish

fury is factually incredibly strong rn in raid

[violet condor]

ONE season

just one...

or arms

no warrior specs been meta in m+ since bfa s4 prot warrior

[raw canyon]

Why is it so strong?

[violet condor]

were like a top 10 spec maybe top 5 raid

[warm crag]

you're not a spellcaster or prone to devs overtuning you you're best of rerolling if you wanna be fotm

[violet condor]

being above avg is considered strong for this class...so sad

[violet condor]

yea but that should change it can change if warriors stop accepting shit on a plate

[warm crag]

like #3 before allstars were removed from broodkeeper and rashanan?

[raw canyon]

Only reason why we seem to be "strong" is because we only have 2 full ST fights this tier

[warm crag]

you're asking for a fundamental restructuring of m+ to accomodate melee characters more than they currently do

[hardy bluff]

I'd rather be good on most fights than bang on sikran

[warm crag]

this isnt a warrior issue this is an "aug + any man who can attack from range is really good" issue

[violet condor]

whys frost dk meta then

insane dmg with utility

[raw canyon]

That's wrong, considering Shamans

[warm crag]

being perfectly suited for the niche the raid asks of you makes you very strong, yes

[violet condor]

whats crazy is frost did more than us on release and WE got nerfed 12 times

pathetic balance team

[warm crag]

dk's like the first melee in years to see play from the melee roster in m+ no

[violet condor]

basically last time before this was SL with monk and survival and warlock dumpstered them both

that needs to change imo

[warm crag]

i'm not arguing the state of melee in m+ im legit just saying fury is really strong in raid and you should target your critique to be specifically about m+

[violet condor]

yea thats true but by previous raids next tier is gonna be a hard ST fight and if arms isnt tuned right its gonna be rough

[raw canyon]

I'm talking about overall endgame play

We are not good in either of them

[meager gyro]

I read our 11.1 patch notes and reinstalled the game we are SO back

[violet condor]

i mean in raid were SUPER good on like 5/8 bosses in pvp arms is cracked

just m+

[raw canyon]

Add pad is BS, hence not counting on logs anymore

[warm crag]

warrior was brought as a 2 of during rwf and its still really solid to be brought as a 2 of

warrior can immune every root set on ansurek

[violet condor]

would that still happen after all the nerfs though i wonder?

[raw canyon]

So can pallies, hunter...

[warm crag]

removing allstars from rashanan and ovinax doesnt hide the fact that someone has to kill those adds or you're still forced to kill those adds

[raw canyon]

While doing more damage

[warm crag]

they can but at the cost of st

[raw canyon]

Other classes can do that too. Fury is not exclusive to that

[warm crag]

it costs us almost no st to do our job

[violet condor]

what does removing allstars mean?

[raw canyon]

What's the point? We have 0 ST bro

[warm crag]

i dunno i cba speculating about the impact of the ptr changes before they actually are on the ptr

[warm crag]

we have better ST in our aoe spec than other specs in their aoe specs

thats kind of the point

[violet condor]

i mean i kinda agree with spongie we cant be the best at everything im mostly bitter about m+ and how dog we've been since its release

we loose like no ST going aoe

[warm crag]

we sure can be the best at everything but it's not healthy for the game

[violet condor]

blizzard would never let that happen..

[radiant plank]

Sorry to hear that

[warm crag]

any time another spec ascends to that status its crying until they're nerfed while asking for that to happen to the spec the whiner plays

[raw canyon]

Not the point. We don't need to be the absolute monsters at everything. But we are far behind classes that bring more value in any content

[violet condor]

true we have no utility

make shouts usefull

[warm crag]

idk man if you don't think warrior is strong in raid then there is no point in this conversation continuing

[inner shadow]

Wait what’s up in the patch?

[violet condor]

make battlefield commander a talent

[meager gyro]

it tkaes 10% more dmg to kill us and we still suck in m+

[raw canyon]

If you think add pad is considered being strong. I see no point either

[inner shadow]

i think someone has won my title ?

[violet condor]

i mean..it does? rashan adds would kill tanks with the dot, ovinax do i need to explain? and so on

[warm crag]

i think performing the niche this raid asks you to perform makes a spec good yes

[violet condor]

next tier when its mostly ST fights then complain

[radiant plank]

Performing a job that only fury warrior can perform = bad in raid

[warm crag]

warrior does it best so other classes can spec into their ST niches so the raid is better off

[violet condor]

we got lucky this tier

[radiant plank]

and padding

[inner shadow]

Bro rash’anan adds deal 1mil x sec per 2-3 stacks, if they dont die in <2 sec 5 people die

[violet condor]

^

even before they added adds back to the meter my guild made me and only me go AOE to kill those little buggers

felt like i was finally important 🙂

[inner shadow]

Why? Cuz we good on aoe

[warm crag]

you were turbo griefing if you at any point specced ST on rashanan ye

[violet condor]

what if u wanted to parse tho..

[inner shadow]

ong just as griefers play ulgrax st

[lethal dew]

we good on burst aoe on very specific encounter where our cooldowns perfectly align*

[raw canyon]

We good on BURST aoe. We are not balanced

[inner shadow]

Yeah

[warm crag]

and burst aoe is what is asked of us right now

[inner shadow]

And this raid has a lot of it

Which what makes us good this tier

[violet condor]

yea next tier is what worries me...

dont be abberus 2.0

[inner shadow]

You scared me there you were almost gonna take over my title

[violet condor]

what title

[inner shadow]

wait it isnt you

Its moore

Spongie knows what title i have 🦦

[violet condor]

care to share?

[inner shadow]

i sometimes more than not say the most batshit delulu shit

Also my POE2 viewcount point WINS! i was right, game is desd after 2 weeks

[rocky spoke]

the 11.1 patch notes didn't do is much favors so far, but I'm hopeful that they are buffing OF dmg and that should actually be a solid change ... IF IT HAPPENS.

[red berry]

if odyns fury can only be used once, they ought to buff it again

[violet condor]

im hoping for a .5 rework with lots of utility, uncapped whirlwind and maybe a lust 🙂 ( )

[warm crag]

what kind of util are you looking for

[violet condor]

specifically an arms rework

[inner shadow]

uncapped whirlwind is crazy

Ye arms need a full on rework cuz wtf is this

[warm crag]

this talk of wanting more util existed before shockwave was pickable but since then literally nothing has changed regarding this conversation

[inner shadow]

It’s good on ST ig

[warm crag]

despite literally receiving the best aoe stun in the game

[violet condor]

battlefield commander i think is a good start that shits yoked, then make shouts useful make rally 100% more effective in groups

maybe lust

[raw canyon]

Prob won't happen, that would be too strong

[inner shadow]

Humans are by nature greedy

Ofc it would be

[violet condor]

whats that?

[inner shadow]

Shadowlands had uncapped whirlwind no?

[warm crag]

shockwave?

[lethal dew]

why would whirlwind uncap be strong

it hits like a wet noodle

[violet condor]

the worse monk aoe stone, dh stun, blidning radiance, warlock stun?

[raw canyon]

Meaning cleave would be unlimited

[inner shadow]

It being uncapped

Means pdyns fury is uncapped

[rocky spoke]

I think monks have the best aoe stun tho

[inner shadow]

Thunder blast

[meager gyro]

arms or fury the goat in keys now?

[warm crag]

ya true monk stun is slightly better but no one plays a monk rn so

[hardy bluff]

Prot

[inner shadow]

Fury thane best, arms fun

[inner shadow]

True

[lethal dew]

its all different abilities, if ww is uncapped it doesnt mean that all of them will be

[warm crag]

whats their cds compared to shockwave

[tropic ocean]

When?

[violet condor]

im not saying this to be rude but how is a 2 second frontal cone stun better than aoe 4 second stuns?

[violet condor]

45 seconds

[inner shadow]

When they get comfortable, used to something, they want more

[raw canyon]

Prot has lost a lot of ground to Prot Pally though

[violet condor]

💯

[rocky spoke]

always press bb and cd when they are up

[inner shadow]

Prot is and always will be best damn

[warm crag]

all of them?

[violet condor]

paladin does more rn

[violet condor]

i believe so? maybe one or 2 is 1m

[iron portal]

you can write whole book from skyhold demanding shockwave

[inner shadow]

This tier

But overlal prot has always been giga

[fallen sedge]

that 2p/4p look incredibly boring ngl

[violet condor]

when was the last time we did more dmg?

[iron portal]

Than Ret?

[violet condor]

i find it funny how this tier and season 1 of last expansion we've been out buffed by prot paladin and make obselite

weird it happened twice

[raw canyon]

Prot war has always done good damage, but Pally wins in every single aspect this tier

[inner shadow]

Iirc generally prot was more used and better in m+ on what i remember

[inner shadow]

This tier i do not deny that yes

[warm crag]

fair enough i cba looking into it

then warr doesnt have access to the best stun, just a strong one

[violet condor]

if shockwave was AOE id say its pretty good but it being a cone kills it for me

[lethal dew]

prot war always starts expansion strong then falls off hard

except for bfa maybe

[raw canyon]

Shockwave is good. No need to change it

[inner shadow]

You could talent to that cd reduction thingy tho

[violet condor]

season 4 bfa...

[warm crag]

i dont think it being a cone is a problem but i havent played enough of the minigame to truely care

[red berry]

rng isnt very fun playstyle imo

so tierset is a miss for me

[inner shadow]

It reduces shockwave cd by 15 if u hit more targets

[red berry]

its also weak atm but tuning will change that

[inner shadow]

Absolutely yeah

[tranquil nimbus]

The way the tierset is RN makes the Spec remain completely Static

[inner shadow]

It reminds me of legions nighthold tier?

[carmine prism]

it's a mistake? where is the thunder сlap?

[tranquil nimbus]

passive inside MT tree

[tropic ocean]

Maybe it's a mistake to sim target dummy and go off patchwerk?

[raw canyon]

If it's slayer, no thunderclap

[violet condor]

i love gambling dont you?

[tranquil nimbus]

i do, and with that Tierset we have none

[inner shadow]

Spec into thunder clap thane and u will see the increase on it too

Can we being back death thingy

Of fury

Where u lost health for increase in dmg

[violet condor]

its a pvp talent

[inner shadow]

Death’s something i forgor

[violet condor]

would be mega troll in pve

[inner shadow]

Ye but it used to be for everyone

[inner shadow]

But super cool tho

Risky build

Giga risky actually xd

[iron portal]

Deathwish

?

[tranquil nimbus]

i can't lie, if i compare Fury warrior with specs like Ret and Enhance I can't help but feel like fury needs a rework.

[violet condor]

💯 💯

[iron portal]

Tbh I wouldnt compare specs to ret

Ret has so little engagement

[inner shadow]

Yes

[iron portal]

Just big numbers

[violet condor]

ret is us but better

which is why i want some utility so bad

[carmine prism]

oh im stupid, thanks)

[spare steppe]

Gimme some banners

[inner shadow]

Ret is, ok tank has threat? ok me smash head into keyboard

[red berry]

with or without engagement it comes down to numbers

[inner shadow]

In cata i remember smashing my head into my kb and killing a guy, in a bg

It was to prove how moronic ret was to a delusional friend

[inner shadow]

What kind of utility tho??

We have 2 stuns, one close to strongest in the game

A fear

As warriors we are not meant to have a shit ton of things

We’re a more “normal” class

We don’t use magic, just brute force

[violet condor]

battlefield commander, lust, prot warrior cheat death for all specs

shouts have SO MUCH potential

[inner shadow]

How do we lust?

Lust is magical

[violet condor]

bloodlust 100% should be a warrior ability

[inner shadow]

nah

Cuz wtf

Shouts have potential yeah

[violet condor]

how is rallying cry a warrior ability and bloodlust cant be?

[gilded pawn]

Can’t tell me hunter lust is magical

[lapis slate]

Magical hunter pets giving lust

[violet condor]

^

[golden hare]

hate lust cope

[gilded pawn]

Drums magical

[south kayak]

real

[somber notch]

1 second of Lust/Hero every time we press Bloodthirst

[gilded pawn]

Ok but having lust just makes carrying rat alts easier

[inner shadow]

We have frenzy for that

BRUH

[gilded pawn]

Yeah we do already get 4 seconds of lust every rampage

[inner shadow]

Their pets are kinda magical so isk

[golden hare]

[tranquil nimbus]

the core rotation is pretty engaging though, you're constantly reacting to mini procs. The CD usage is braindead as a tradeoff

[inner shadow]

Those beasts live in a very anormal place

[inner shadow]

Yeah but wtf

If i miss a proc im f’d

I get a mech im fd

[inner shadow]

What do warriors in war when it gets to a critical point? War cries / shouts

It’s very fittint

[tranquil nimbus]

if you miss one ret proc you're fine, if you miss multiple of them yeah you re cooked. I don t know if i want warrior to be ranged like ret though

[inner shadow]

no we don’t

That will fuck your muscle memory so hard too

Oh now i can hit from afar ?

[violet condor]

what i was saying was if bloodlust cant be made into a shout how is rallying cry able to be one

[vernal laurel]

Just give warriors bloodlust, buff rallying cry to be more powerful in dungeon content, and also give us at least one other significant group benefiting utility and we all would be cheering

[violet condor]

this and that utility can be battlefield commander

people SLEEP on battlefield commander

it is GOATED

[vernal laurel]

Agreed, would solve so many problems in one

[lethal dew]

bloodlust will change nothing

[vernal laurel]

the solution is there blizz

[lethal dew]

why this idea pops so frequently in those channels

jesus

hunters have bloodlust, yet nobody can be arsed inviting hunter in a group

[violet condor]

people that say bloodlust will change nothing i have a hard time believeing they know anything about m+ we would be the only tank with one that gives at least prot HUGE meta potential

[inner shadow]

Im pretty sure our damage would still be the f same

So no it does not solve our problem

[vernal laurel]

The % of groups you would get invited to if you had lust is very high compared to how it is now

[violet condor]

^

[inner shadow]

Having a lust will be so moronic cuz why does a TANK have a bloodlist

[violet condor]

it would not fix it would help drastically

[inner shadow]

And why can’t actual MAGICAL tanks have bloodlust then

[inner shadow]

How?

[violet condor]

no way druid can get both rez and lust or dk

[vernal laurel]

Would not fix our class design problems, but would make thematic sense and also help us get invited to groups

[lethal dew]

ok now name one season where getting bloodlust were actually problematic

[inner shadow]

We are not getting invited

Because of COMMUNITY

not the CLASS

[violet condor]

play a lust class next tier

[inner shadow]

BRUH

[violet condor]

document it

[inner shadow]

you are invited ad a lust class as a LAST resort

[violet condor]

ive seen it for myself lust 100% gets u invited to at least 20% more keys

[inner shadow]

You bring nothing to the table other than bloodlust

If blizzard removes death’s peril m+ will change a lot

[violet condor]

thats my point and if we got some ther utility with it

[lethal dew]

i mean maybe if we are talking about +10 weeklys

[violet condor]

wed be great

[vernal laurel]

The community does not invite us because we bring nothing over any other class, now imagine that we suddenly do in the form of lust

[inner shadow]

We won’t be

We have a shit ton of utility

[violet condor]

WOAH bait

[inner shadow]

BUT WE ARE STILL SHIT

??????

[violet condor]

we have 2 utility 2 SHITTY utility

[inner shadow]

wow i can proc bl, wow i can join pugs now

[golden hare]

utility

[violet condor]

rally cry? trash

[inner shadow]

SO GOOD SO much change???????

[vernal laurel]

And so is markmanship, but a group would rather take the hunter over a warrior, wonder why

[violet condor]

^^^

[inner shadow]

MAKE A FKIN TEAM

TO do high keys

SIMPLE

[violet condor]

one cope to another

[inner shadow]

HOW AM I COPINGv

[violet condor]

"we dont need it" "just make a team"

[inner shadow]

Your argument is literally

[violet condor]

I DONT WANT TO MAKE A TEAM

[inner shadow]

“I wnat to be invited”

bloodlust will and cannot happen

Cope as much as you want

[violet condor]

if paladin got brez we can get lust

[vernal laurel]

I have a team, currently doing 15's, but we struggle to find a good pug as we are a group of 4. Most shammys we invite are braindead FOMO rerollers, same with aug and hunters

[inner shadow]

We will still be the shit class with a bloodlust

Bro

EVEN IF WE HAD BL

And there was a sham in queue

Or hunter

You STILL

[lethal dew]

this zen guy is on point

[inner shadow]

Wont get invited

[violet condor]

yea thats what were saying zen it would help but not FIX

[lethal dew]

couldnt explain this better

[inner shadow]

YOU WONT GET INVITED

EVEN W YOUR LUST

[violet condor]

add additonal to it

[inner shadow]

cuz SHAM HUNT are generally BETTER

[vernal laurel]

Exactly, but it would massively increase your chance of being picked, but it would not fix it outright

[violet condor]

k whatever man ive done it, ive seen the difference a lust makes

play a lust spec next tier

[inner shadow]

it isn’t bloodlust that made them top S tier class this whole ass expansion

[violet condor]

as an experiment

[lethal dew]

honestly hunter is not better, its the same shit class as warrior that nobody invites, and it has lust

[inner shadow]

Shaman is strong

[lethal dew]

which makes no diff

[inner shadow]

WITHOUT bl

[iron portal]

Paladins should get lust too

[inner shadow]

I literally never invite

A hunter

Idfc if it has BL

Its dogshit

[vernal laurel]

No, but it makes far more sense for a battle shouting warrior to rally others into bloodlust, just watch saurfang in the BFA cinematic do that

[violet condor]

they do have everything else

[lethal dew]

yea

[violet condor]

might as well

[golden hare]

real

[iron portal]

:))

[inner shadow]

What the fuck does it even matter for

We NEED more damage

[south kayak]

I am losnig it

[inner shadow]

Not more SHOUTS and bloodlust and whatnot

[lethal dew]

wanna know the real reason why nobody invites a war in keys

[vernal laurel]

We had more damage, got giga nerfed cause our devs hates ut

[inner shadow]

So am I

[lethal dew]

because 9 out of 10 warriors that you invite will be a braindead monkey

[vernal laurel]

We need a rework with more focus on utility, tuning and damage will follow

[lethal dew]

why take the risk

[inner shadow]

In a fuckin bursty matter

I have had enough of you, as that boss says

YOU are the SOLE REASON

[vernal laurel]

Indeed, it was a dogshit nerf with not substance that we were gonna be op later on

[inner shadow]

Why PEOPLE DO NOT INVITES WARS.

Because of genuinely what batshit dumb you say

[vernal laurel]

You seem to be the one overreacting my man

[golden hare]

you can say this for literally any class, spec and role

[vernal laurel]

True warrior energy though, respect

[inner shadow]

We have literally the worst reputation

Because of dumb takes and whining

[violet condor]

you know whats really funny? even on release frost dk did more dmg, tankier, brez and more utility and WE got nerfed 12 times xD

[inner shadow]

Over the wrong shit

[vernal laurel]

Of course, cant have warrior actually be decent a tier

[inner shadow]

Dk is blizzard’s baby

[vernal laurel]

still need to pay for our sins in classic

[inner shadow]

Never forget that

Dk is some giga dev’s fav

[golden hare]

warrior has never been best since classic real

[vernal laurel]

Dk sucked as for a majority of df, so i guess it was just their time

[violet condor]

were pretty same good in raid just dog watter in m+ as usua;

[vernal laurel]

and y, warrior has been ass since like that one patch in nighthold

[violet condor]

if tier has cleave we good if not u go prot

[lethal dew]

its like 6-8 out of 10 for other classes
we are beating everyone else on this number

[golden hare]

so true yeah

[inner shadow]

They love dk so much

[violet condor]

wasnt warrior like giga in legion?

[inner shadow]

It was

[golden hare]

nighthold was in legion

[inner shadow]

But draught of souls

Made it so

[violet condor]

i wouldnt say they love dk no dps dk has been good since like...ever?

[inner shadow]

It fit perfectly into our rotation

[violet condor]

same with warrior tbh

[vernal laurel]

They are making on use actual effect trinkets better this patch btw, so a raw stat trinket might not be go to anymore

[violet condor]

i think arms was meta s3 of legion furys never been and prot was like all of legion? and s4 of bfa and not since

[vernal laurel]

Could be fun

[shadow flame]

whatever they do, we are not getting picked because of our util

[golden hare]

NO

[vernal laurel]

y, but wish we were

[golden hare]

it's not utility...

[inner shadow]

If we do a lot more damage

[vernal laurel]

Could just give us some actually interesting buff or utility that made us interesting to pick

[inner shadow]

We will get picked

Bruh

[lethal dew]

IMAGINE THE BLOODLUST THO INSTANT INVITE EVERYWHERE

[vernal laurel]

yes, but then we are just beholden to the tuning hammer

you can pick other classes for their unique buffs/spells

[inner shadow]

You won’t get invited

[vernal laurel]

but never warrior

[inner shadow]

Thats my point

[lethal dew]

[golden hare]

i'm exploding

[lethal dew]

im ded

[inner shadow]

Istg i put “need bl” in title and hunters whisper me saying i got bl

[violet condor]

how do u even still say this when we both have said mutliple times BL wouldnt do that it would just help

[inner shadow]

I reply “ i know, but you’re a shit class”

[violet condor]

even if BL got us into 10% more keys

thats what i want

[vernal laurel]

yeah we never stated anything like that

[lethal dew]

obviously im trolling with this all caps message

[inner shadow]

I’d prefer drums and 2 frost dks tuan a bl class tbh

[lethal dew]

bruh

[vernal laurel]

Warrior moment

[violet condor]

thought it was u trying to make fun with the caps

[inner shadow]

Look

[golden hare]

unnerf drums and bring back scrolls...

[inner shadow]

War with bl= hunter

Do you invite hunters? No.

[violet condor]

id take a warrior lust over hunter lust anyday

[inner shadow]

So you got your answer

CUZ YOU’re BIASED

no shit sherlock

[vernal laurel]

Would instantly invite a warrior over a hunter if they both had lust

[violet condor]

hunters just suck with it they need to summon a pet there squishy

[vernal laurel]

warrior is not made of paper

[inner shadow]

Yet they have bloodlust

If we have shit damage

We wont get invited

[vernal laurel]

all hunters i play with insta die in everyting above a +14

[lethal dew]

never inviting a warrior when im playing other class

[inner shadow]

They will say the same thing

About us

[lethal dew]

because fuck browns

[violet condor]

big true

[inner shadow]

“They have booodlust but they got shit damaged•

You get my point?

Bl wont solve shit

BUFFS will.

[vernal laurel]

i have made that call before with aug, and most augs suck ass

[inner shadow]

All aug suck ass, they are there for buffs on dps and sone stun utility in some dunge

Evoker is literally the WORST

[violet condor]

BL definetly would make getting into keys easier it wouldnt solve anything ur right we NEVER said it would

[inner shadow]

It wont make it

Any easier

Why?

[violet condor]

#fuckevoker

[vernal laurel]

Bl would 100% make it EASIER to get into keys yes

no doubt about it

but it would not be insta invites

[inner shadow]

Because there’s other options

It wouldnt

[violet condor]

someones never played a BL class in there life and it shows

[inner shadow]

You think you will skip the ladder or some shit

You will be in bottom of B tier

Cuz sham wins you over

[vernal laurel]

No, but we will at least be considered, which sometimes makes all the difference

[tender fossil]

maybe play mage S2 was a good idea

[inner shadow]

Unless you’re trying to do a key at like 6 am

[violet condor]

dude u know how many 27/28 i was in s4 and we take a mage with 26s done JUST because he had lust?

[lethal dew]

for warriors to be wanted we would need to get bl, battle res, spellwarding, ebon might, combustion and a daily dose of copium

[inner shadow]

We won’t be considered

[lethal dew]

now we talking

[inner shadow]

At all

We will be the same

Cuz those other classes do more damage and got bl too

[violet condor]

mage has never done the most dmg but its always taken cause its got utility and bl

or..before aug that was

[inner shadow]

Arcane?

Spellmaster sorry?

[lethal dew]

whole df was played with a mage...with aug in party that had bl

[inner shadow]

30mil crit With 620 ilvo?

[violet condor]

arcanes good s1 then falls off a cliff

[vernal laurel]

No, just some unique spell that changes how you approach a dungeon, there is oppertunity for blizz to cook here

[violet condor]

plz read or..before aug that was

[vernal laurel]

If we also buffed rallying cry btw that would actually go a long way

add the pvp talent blizz, do it

[lethal dew]

they obviously can do that, but they will not
theres no warrior devs in blizzard

[inner shadow]

WE 👏 DO 👏 DO👏 NOT👏 NEED👏 A👏 BL👏
👏WE 👏 NEED👏 DAMAGE BUFFS👏 TO 👏 BE 👏 INVITED 👏 MORE👏

[lyric hound]

is that changes in fury good or bad as well

[lethal dew]

we didnt get BL so bad changes

horrible

unplayable class

reroll mage

[vernal laurel]

Short sighted, solves nothing about our class design issues, but it would help in the short term

[inner shadow]

Tier is bad rn, but with tuning

[inner shadow]

It fucking WONT

UNLESS U PUG AT 6 AM

[violet condor]

im sure when were top dmg we wont get nerfed surely..oh wait

BL is permanent dmg is not

so is utility

[vernal laurel]

Blizz will never allow warriors to good damage

[inner shadow]

you will sign, A shaman will sign, a mage will sign up, YOU WILL BE SKIPPED

[vernal laurel]

this has been proven over and over again

so we need something else as well

[inner shadow]

They either giga buff us or giga nerfs us

War is alright right now

So we do good damage

In m+ we not best but not worst

Same for raid

[lethal dew]

war will never be meta deal with it

[vernal laurel]

True, we are firmly in D tier

[inner shadow]

No

We are not d tier

The fuck

A good B tier

Just not S tier

D tier is hunter

[vernal laurel]

Pure numbers

[violet condor]

that can change

[dire badge]

Get tier listed idiot

[violet condor]

people who just say to accept warrior will never be meta or warrior will always be bad why the FUCK are u even in here?

[inner shadow]

12-18

Do 12-15

[lethal dew]

i enjoy playing warrior and will continue to do so, im just not delusional like you are

[inner shadow]

More realistic

[violet condor]

people say we need dmg buffs not utility what a lame argument 'weve never been top dmg in 8 years

[inner shadow]

We never have been since classic

And one tier in legion

[violet condor]

wanting for a better world doesnt make one delusional

[inner shadow]

Or half a tier before nerf

[lethal dew]

i know that at blizzard nobody gives a fuck about our class for decade now
every patch 9999 lines of changes for other classes, 3 lines for warriors

[inner shadow]

Top damage comes with damage not BL

[inner shadow]

True

[violet condor]

this..is true

but it can change

[inner shadow]

[lethal dew]

this ptr notes for example, i had to scroll like 4 sceens to get past shaman or mage changes

[inner shadow]

I just alt F to go down always

And it fucking FLIES

And m like

Oh no

[lethal dew]

good tech

[verbal rivet]

My last holdout to stay on War next raid was the raid Transmog

It’s legally Distinct Uldir set

[inner shadow]

Pls this tier tmog was so ass

[meager gyro]

they'll fix us like they did in s1 TWW

[inner shadow]

They hard cooked in shadowlands

Now we got this ba

Bs

[verbal rivet]

Fury being a bleed class is…kinda cheeks

[inner shadow]

They laid off the wrong artists goddamn it

[inner shadow]

Indeed

[violet condor]

at least we werent left out to dry like in nathria..holy shit those were dark times

[inner shadow]

Its meant for arms

[verbal rivet]

I’m rerolling Outlaw Rogue

To feel something

[inner shadow]

One (deep) cut/slash/hit

It has grievous wounds

[meager gyro]

lol you want to play slot machine sim

[verbal rivet]

100000%

[lethal dew]

this season will be slot machine for everyone

why not embrace it

[inner shadow]

Gambling 4life

[violet condor]

slot machine specwith slot machine tier set

[inner shadow]

True

[violet condor]

mans a gambler

[verbal rivet]

And I can say bad parses are RNG

[inner shadow]

I will love to see the late patch logs boost

[violet condor]

TRUUUE

[inner shadow]

“O.k. guys wipe i didn’t get my proc” go again

[verbal rivet]

Not AM and having 3 seconds of downtime and parsing green

[lethal dew]

i bet an outlaw rogue can press all the same exact buttons next tier and get either 10 or 100 parses

full rng

[inner shadow]

I hoped for s2 we’d go AM man

[verbal rivet]

Not like this tho

[violet condor]

same

hate RA and powerful enrage

[lethal dew]

it already looks like am season, no?

[dire badge]

this should be insta perma mute

[violet condor]

^

[lethal dew]

ra rework looks like garbage

and am was already pretty close to current ra

and is unchanged

[inner shadow]

Not in that sense

[verbal rivet]

It’s the exact same as now, but the other 38 seconds you aren’t in reck you just do notably less damage

[undone flower]

AM thane season poggers

[inner shadow]

blasphemy

[lethal dew]

38?

[verbal rivet]

Random number

[inner shadow]

Maybe 25

Is more accurate

[verbal rivet]

Not in CDS, we noodles

[violet condor]

i thought the new RA looks crakced on ST?

doesnt the dot keep adding to itself like fire mages dot from bloodthirst?

[inner shadow]

No

Wait yes

[meager gyro]

it's fun, just has no burst

[violet condor]

with a reduced bloodthirst CD and spamming it during reckless?

[inner shadow]

I thought powerful enrage