fury

[inner shadow]

it's better for raiding anyways, more survavibility n shi

m+

[covert blaze]

if you are doing m+ only you might as well get the weapon and get 2x lining

[coarse nest]

Yep! ^

[covert blaze]

not like theres a huge difference between mark and shard anytway

[tall cargo]

Ok now i know, ty for answers!

[rotund ginkgo]

i actually performed so bad on sunday im backup for prog today

cuz they got a new trial

[wary fjord]

Oof

[rotund ginkgo]

i have been so burnt out/not enjoying wow recently

ngl

[wary fjord]

Replaced

[rotund ginkgo]

IN THEIR DEFENSE

i did play

absolutely

giga ass

like, really out of tune with me usually being not giga ass

[wary fjord]

Could tell them it was just an off day for you, not like it will work with how toxic wow tends to be, but worth a try

[hollow valley]

is there like a storm and steel and uproar build to be on more of a 45 second burst profile thats not handicapping me too hard elsewhere?

[storm rune]

If you're burning out, you play less, if you play less, you play worse

[summer quail]

on what boss?

[wary fjord]

Just play anger management, and don't use storm of steel ever

It's too gimmicky, but AM can do fine

[hollow valley]

hrm, ok ok i see, hows not having empowered RB BT feel, ay diff?

i know its same button rotation in the end

ST dmg loss on that or not really?

[edgy widget]

thing about storm of steel is that getting a second charge isn't the same thing as reducing the CD by half

• charges can only cooldown sequentially, so you only get one extra use on the pull; after that, you have to wait 1.5m for the first cooldown and 1.5m for the second.
  So if you're using Ravager/Bladestorm on cooldown, you only ever get one extra use

What Storm of Steel is designed for is the ability to drop back to back Bladestorms, like if you had two quick waves of adds and then no more for a solid 3+ minutes, but that's not a use-case that exists in the game

[hollow valley]

makes sense. and what about Uproar, it really doesnt seem i can drop anything from my stuff down that low to pick it up. i just remember liking having that for every pack in Dragonflight play

[modest condor]

you can drop 1 point in armed to the teeth but you would just lose overall damage for more frequent burst

[hollow valley]

dropping a point from armor to the teeth seem like it to gain both bottom left nodes. how bad is that?

[hollow valley]

thats what it hought, ok

[winter shoal]

Silm how do you feel about uproar vs berserkers torment for thane on court

uproar lines up nicely with damage amp

[hollow valley]

i appreciate the answers guys, warriors been fun, im doing crazy good on mine,. started into 10s at like 600ilvl and doing 1m overalls already

ive been running the mt thane build with ravager.

[opaque quail]

HI! I'm having trouble finding out why our BiS weapon is simming worse is ST and AoE over my current weapon. Isn't Wildhammer a no-brainer? Should i drop the crafted weapon at this point and but embel on belt to play with both Myth weapons?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fJqDfzJ4m5Qh6WhEa1nm9G

[modest condor]

that sounds cursed af

[winter shoal]

Which one

[modest condor]

dropping zerker torment for uproar

[winter shoal]

You probably have a lot of haste/mast elsewhere and not a lot of crit/vers. As for dropping the crafted weapon, that'd be a sim question

[opaque quail]

Looking at the stat distribution withing the top 100 loggers i already have to much vers, and it's on my current weapon. I'm lost to why i'm getting those results

[winter shoal]

Robot says so /shrug

[modest condor]

no item without special effects is ever a no-brainer

[covert blaze]

i mean the wild hammer is within variance on that sim

[modest condor]

an item being part of the bis setup is meaningless if you dont have the full bis setup

[sour elbow]

Has anyone done the fun simming on the new ring yet? I assume more of that'll pop up next week as it comes out but just wondering if the initial iteration of the ring is even an upgrade or not (for mythic geared meaty meats)

[radiant plank]

ass

[opaque quail]

thanks, that clread some things up

[radiant plank]

ring is ass

for the first 5 weeks of us having it

[winter shoal]

Tbh even if the ring were strong, I don't think it would make a big impact for raid prog at this point in the season

If you're still progging, your bottleneck is mechanics, not throughput

For keys though if ring is buffed enough, it might move the needle

[covert blaze]

i wonder if they even intend for the ring to be relevant on next season's gear

[winter shoal]

Something something no push weeks

[winter shoal]

Surely not, right? They turbo nerfed both annulet and eranog ring going into DF s2 to prevent that

[covert blaze]

no clue i wasnt playing at the time

i heard some specs didnt take the ring off for a long time

[winter shoal]

I took mythic socketed eranog ring from last vault of the season as a novelty, then Archi said it was gonna be bis for s2 as well

(pre-nerf)

But yeah annulet was cracked for some specs, outlaw rogue wouldn't have replaced it until this expac

[bitter palm]

evil spec design

[sour elbow]

just seems entirely pointless, even with a 6 week build to get it maxed

[bitter palm]

vers stacking does that to a clasd

[sour elbow]

by then it's almost season 2

[modest condor]

meanwhile it was barely worth it for fury and the best gem broke cc so you couldnt use it on raszageth

[bitter palm]

same was for ww

[sour elbow]

so it either needs to be used INTO S2 or like... why even release it lol

[bitter palm]

they just hated all stats xddd

[winter shoal]

good thing arms was omega juiced in 10.0.5

[bitter palm]

content

"content"

[sour elbow]

i was gonna fix that for ya

[covert blaze]

yeah that's why im wondering if they plan on making it so you use it during s2

and it stays relevant or something

idk

[whole yacht]

I'm sure it'll be relevant season 2. I feel as though they are releasing it ahead of season 2, so we have it for season 2 instead of building it for the first month and a half of season

[rare fjord]

can someone clarify for me how exactly does skarmorak shard's extra mastery works?

does it look for recently killed enemies within 40yards or smtg?

[safe cradle]

Any suggestions for mythic brood cds?

[restive granite]

send everything on pull except OF or it will be a couple seconds too late for first set of parasites

then you should have your cds allign for every egg break

first set of eggs of second platform you will hold your cds for about 15 seconds and depending when your guild decides to lust

if you send avatar on last set of eggs of second or first of third with lust

[restive granite]

thats what i was doing but im pretty mid, probably you can check a high rank parse and check cd usage

[undone flower]

silken? a joke

[eternal sundial]

i want ours to die

but we need to get the p3 suck down

[summer quail]

how are the nerfs feeling?

[rotund ginkgo]

ansurek

[coarse nest]

So close!

We made it to 2nd dispel but half dead from the 2nd suck position after she leaps in p2

[summer quail]

ansurek seems fun, i will most likely miss out on our silken court kill. thank fuk for that

[oblique trail]

Ansurek P1 was fun to prog, at least pre-nerfs and I imagine still is now

P2 personally was eh, but P3 made up for it again

[undone flower]

it's our third pull

this night

third time we go p3

just the randoms deaths tbh

there are not happening anymore

[restive granite]

my dream is to get benched for that fight

[undone flower]

groups not being ready to be grabbed is the reason of wipes

once you got it, it will go smooth

i scream BLUE RIGHT usually

when she tp

[proven flare]

to recraft the secondary stats on 2h sword do you need to supply all mats again? or just the different missive?

[oblique trail]

Different missive and half of the basic mats

for example

[proven flare]

ty

appreciate

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail HAIIII

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry hello!!! :3

[clever belfry]

why have u not voted on MC poll

[oblique trail]

Because unlikely to join! Sry!

[clever belfry]

i think i will explode the country of denmark

[oblique trail]

This sounds a bit unreasonable

[clever belfry]

hmmm no

[warm crag]

deserved

[oblique trail]

Well at least I have excuse to not wake up tomorrow

[clever belfry]

np king

[feral ivy]

what WA is giving this?

[umbral summit]

my d

[oblique trail]

Look in NS or Liquid, depending on which you use. It should be in either one of those, possibly disabled by default

[smoky sigil]

anyone wanna come execute me?

[brisk mango]

f

[smoky sigil]

6m hp

[feral ivy]

i have a question will this fuck stuff up?

oh well those 2 and northen sky in the middle

[oblique trail]

They shouldn't, but I'd not have both active if you aren't using Liquid as your raids assigned WA package

[feral ivy]

i gotta delete some WA because i dont kno why i have of some

[oblique trail]

It might be this from the Liquid pack that you saw

[compact siren]

Anda SMP

[oblique trail]

I had the same WA for prog, but got rid of it after they nerfed Ansurek, and was given it by someone else

[compact siren]

I hope he doesn’t hit people with a stick

[clever belfry]

super mega

[feral ivy]

which wa was that in im trying to move it in a better spot

[oblique trail]

I have no idea, I just looked at the wago page

I'm not ingame to import and check

[inner shadow]

i am mythic locked even though i did not raid? i had a power outage at start of raid. before even kill

[viscid cargo]

holy

i was gaming on kyveza guys

[lament otter]

[drowsy sage]

is transmitter better than skarmarok in m+?

[oblique trail]

Generally Transmitter is always better, assuming equal ilvl

If you only have a HC Transmitter but a mythic Skarm/Mark, you can use those instead

[drowsy sage]

ah nice, just came back and havent really checked stuff but i got transmitter in weekly quest

thanks, yeah all my stuff is hero

[inner shadow]

i am actually fuckin tilted from blizzard

and their moronic shenanigans

[drowsy sage]

you just gotta find ur zen

[inner shadow]

i am actually gonna crash out hard

[eternal sundial]

If ur in the instance then ye

[inner shadow]

i was disconnected

[eternal sundial]

Or if u accept the instance locl

[inner shadow]

i got the text" do you wanna be teleported out

[eternal sundial]

That doesnt matter

[inner shadow]

I did not accept it

and I still got the fuckin lock

this is the most moronic thing i have seen

[eternal sundial]

Unfortunate

[inner shadow]

this is actually fuckin restarted

[whole yacht]

congrats. youve learned how aids this mythic lockout system can be 😄

[inner shadow]

this is fuckin bullshit

what the fuck is this

[whole yacht]

😂

bro is not having a good time rn

[summer quail]

i have been there for like majority of the fight, but not home the next raid. very happy xD

[light sleet]

can someone explain to me the reasoning behind not using anger management?

[light sleet]

would the damage suffer from that even more than having more uptime on the other abilities?

[modest condor]

reckless abandon sims higher

that's all there is to it

[inner shadow]

istg im crashing out hard

[whole yacht]

lmao

[floral belfry]

Simming for silken court mythic?

Any tips

[feral ivy]

anyone know if there is a easy way to figure out when the boss cast a certain spell like i need the exact time. in warcraft logs

[covert blaze]

go to enemies->casts

[feral ivy]

THANK YOU. i was going to go in "replay" and look at that lol

[sullen dove]

cast dn

[feral ivy]

yea found it lol it was under liquid-nerub-ar Palace>queen>bars>web blades

[haughty cloud]

Looking for good spell reflect WA that works in dungeons as well as raids

[brittle crow]

considering buying Pixel Buds 2 Pro

for my Pixel 9 Pro XL

[winter shoal]

p sure everyone uses this one https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

It's a little wonky sometimes tho in dawnbreaker I've noticed

[winter shoal]

Did google sponsor this message or

[brittle crow]

im google

[inner shadow]

is this goat in discord?

[summer crater]

So is the new ring really bad for us like for other classes right now?

[feral ivy]

whos saying its bad?

[hard widget]

OMG ITS BAD?

[oblique trail]

If by goat you mean someone getting external'd to an obscene extent by questionably named individuals (definitely not Chinese players on US realms?), then unlikely

[young swan]

at max its basically on par with mythic rings

[young swan]

totally didnt buy a parsing run

nah

that would never happen

[frozen dew]

why does classic warrior feel better to play than retail

[fickle cedar]

taking a sabbatical between each autoattack

[frozen dew]

dw fury so hs queueing

[young swan]

that sounds really fucking boring

[hard widget]

Hey Xan

[young swan]

hello

[hard widget]

Did they implement your talent tree yet?

[young swan]

no unfortunately not

[rare fjord]

anyone for this?

[smoky vale]

you kill things

and you get a stacking buff

[hard widget]

Unlucky, no fun allowed

[rare fjord]

do i have to be the one doing the killing blow

[smoky vale]

no

[feral ivy]

then not really "bad" ill take it i still have heroic ringworm

[rare fjord]

you should see a doctor about that

[inner shadow]

iits a joke

he got like 7 buffs

on that kill

[young swan]

oh shit

actual good crest changes

thats hype

[eternal canopy]

yo you can SR the tombs on queen right?

[oblique trail]

Yes

It deflects the root but still places the puddle under you

[waxen vale]

so am I off my rocker...I thought CB > Rampage in any situation...is that just not true? a 1 min aoe sim has me rampaging twice in a row. Can I just not read good

[oblique trail]

CB > BB > Rampage is indeed correct

[waxen vale]

help :c

[oblique trail]

I'd need to look at the APL, but something tells me there's a check for AoE where it uses Rampage if at or above 115 rage

[waxen vale]

ya but thats below cb, the culprit i think is this one sec

its very high up

thats no spear correct?

full list

[oblique trail]

That line means Rampage if you have BS talented, it's cooldown is equal to or less than a GCD, and Spear isn't active

It doesn't require Spear to actually be talented

[waxen vale]

right so I was reading it correctly. I think? so thats the one thats making it spit out rampage so high in priority?

nah its not. idk

i'm gonna just stop overthinking it LOL

[covert blaze]

most ethical cn log

[oblique trail]

I'm not a big on how Sims really work, so I'm not certain if a GCD would technically count as BS being on "cooldown"

[modest condor]

oh yeah i made that line really early during new apl building, it's supposed to make sure you have a bloodbath before going into bladestorm

kinda bad way to write it since now it can rampage back to back which isnt what it's supposed to do ofcourse

[waxen vale]

woah

me smart

cheers, so just follow the prio as I know it

[modest condor]

yeah

[oblique trail]

Correct

[waxen vale]

\o/

[oblique trail]

Generally while it's an option, I'd recommend just following the priority as shown in the guides

Sometimes sims can show you really funky stuff if you look at a quick sim breakdown

Stuff that's not actually right

[waxen vale]

I only noticed it because I was doing some hacky juvenile ways of simming the first 2 spider sets on ansurek together because I'm trying to force 2 on use

[oblique trail]

By first 2 spider sets, do you mean in P3

[waxen vale]

feels wrong not to take this :c

yeah p3 sorry

I don't have transmitter, but have 639 mark of khardros so obviously blow up first set, second set is more reliant on other people but I have OF

was trying to find a way to use sharmorak with OF lol

[oblique trail]

For 2nd set, OF + BS is enough

The rest of the damage you wont have from your own CDs, will be made up for from other people

[waxen vale]

I studied your vid :3 was really clean o7

[oblique trail]

Poggie

I never really personally bothered with 2 on-use, except VERY early on with Mandate + Transmitter, but quickly went off that

Think it's way too much hassle for not enough gain, and the spiders in P3 should die assuming people use at least something on them, when you don't have CDs for 2nd set

[waxen vale]

currently I'm using mandate because I am the first popper so I have to disconnect anyway and the healing helps since i'm out of range anyway

[oblique trail]

1st and 3rd sets you can essentially solo as a Fury

[waxen vale]

so it gave me something to press

[oblique trail]

If it was very early in prog, even before I killed, I'd say Mark + mandate is good, but now the damage checks aren't really something you'd worry about assuming people live, so I'd definitely still recommend Mark + Sac or something passive

It's just awkward timings with 2x on-use (at least from what I heard and looked through)

[waxen vale]

roger that. appreciate it

yeah they aren't great

I was doing about 40 seconds in when I pop and run away with my circle, the end of the shield in intermission when you can hit her a bit, then twice in p3 (maybe) just got to p3

[oblique trail]

Not sure what current kill timers will look like for people progging, with new gear and the biweekly buff

But 2 P3 uses might be very tight

Since 3rd adds happen at around 8:20~

[waxen vale]

yeah, you've convinced me to just run sac

[oblique trail]

With 1st adds spawning at roughly 6:00

[waxen vale]

I think I would get 2, but tight like you said, not worth the stress

[oblique trail]

That, and it's also just a lot more comfortable playing 1 on use + passive, without having to worry about the CD timings of them

[waxen vale]

for sure

use my brain cells to dodge blades instead of do math

[oblique trail]

P3 is very much just a live and she dies phase

[waxen vale]

honestly the whole fight at this point

we haven't figured out the live part yet 😄

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304807510728773642/ujDOV.gif

[waxen vale]

lol 😄

[violet condor]

what does the "up to 500%" mean on this ability the higher the absorb the more dmg or?...

[modest condor]

i think it means that if the hit completely breaks the shield the rest of the damage isnt also increased by 500% but that's just me guessing

like say it does 100k damage at a base and the shield does 300k absorb, that means you're not just gonna do 300k damage to the shield and then another 300k damage to their hp

[warm crag]

i think you should immediately lose conciousness and go to sleep

[oblique trail]

Rude

[warm crag]

not meant to be rude!

now you are being rude to me

[sullen dove]

another classic 1 hour lecture video yap from max into game changes announced a few days later doing exactly what was described in the yap

goofy ahh devs gotta be told how to make the game good

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-catnod-yes-vibe-gif-21529329

[warm crag]

ya thai

[covert blaze]

they dont play their game how could they find out otherwise

[sullen dove]

🔁

20 gildeds at +12 tho kinda….

gonna be forced to play the game…

if it bleeds over to next season

(it should)

[summer quail]

it says in the post it's the starting line for season 2

[sullen dove]

potentially must prefarm io now… for next season… queue simulator inc perchance

+300 overall score going from all 11s to all 12s yep cocka

[covert blaze]

next season pool

[sullen dove]

top

[summer quail]

next season is gonna live or die by the darkflame cleft

[sullen dove]

any dungeon with 5 bosses is always terrible cause tyrannical is just that much more powerful but maybe since it’s always active it won’t be as big of a discrepancy as before

like there’s prolly some strong trash but I’m psure tyran top was just always worse than fort top and it wasn’t close

[covert blaze]

8 workshops vault type shi

[summer quail]

we don't know how many bosses the new dungeon has right?

[sullen dove]

no but if it’s the exact same layout as the delve can’t imagine it’s more than 4

There’s barely 4 rooms in there

but maybe its a completely new side room dont recall if they had new visuals

just remember its like "basically the waterworks delve" if that means its an exact copy or whateva

[summer quail]

oh i thought it was outside the waterworks delve essentially. like where the dam is

[sullen dove]

[chrome relic]

we have become duskthread enjoyers

[summer crater]

It will take at least six weeks to even reach max

[sullen dove]

no way thats true

the season is over in 6 weeks basically

[inner zinc]

has anyone been having this problem with the spell reflect WA showing you are getting targeted by the Abyssal blast in Dawnbreaker (the mini bosses for after 1st boss) when you arent?

[summer crater]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/everything-coming-with-patch-11-0-7-new-siren-isle-preview-video-353582

"Sadly, the overall power of this ring is quite lackluster. In most cases, it is worse than an equal item-level ring even after yesterday's hotfixes.

The ring starts at item level 619 and can be upgraded to item level 639 after 6 weeks. Thus, if you can upgrade Cyrce's Circlet Cyrce's Circlet to a higher item level than any of your current rings, it will likely be an upgrade with the right Citrine combination."

[sullen dove]

o so completely useless then

[summer crater]

Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine is at least good for us since we stack mastery

[sullen dove]

psure annulet was upgradeable to max like almost instantly

and eventually got buffed to actually matter

but if its barely better at 639 than others and it takes 6 weeks who is gonna give a flying fuck about it

[summer crater]

Feels odd that a supposed special ring like this isn't at least on par with something like pact

With the best combo

[feral ivy]

damn that sucks

[summer crater]

Especially given the length of time to upgrade

[feral ivy]

im full mythic anyways but queen ring and ringworm ring

[sullen dove]

626 ringworm sometimes better than queen ring anyway

with a 636 crafted being the other

cuz y not

no myth rings moment

[feral ivy]

i think i was told new ring + queen ring.. but idk if that applys to heroic queen ring

[sullen dove]

prolly uh... prolly not

[feral ivy]

can we sim right now or nah

[sullen dove]

robot will dictate

doubt

[modest condor]

raidbots generally doesnt have things that arent in the game yet

[tidal kindle]

https://streamable.com/s6ks7v
Anyone else have to do this criminal essence pickup without time spiral

🪦

[summer quail]

hi grams

[lean heart]

holy moly

[ashen socket]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

We take those

[feral ivy]

Queen is no joke .. there is one part where blades and ONE second after it’s with the soak mech scary timing

Does anyone kill queen more than once?

[whole yacht]

yes

[dire vigil]

We like this

[sullen dove]

what is goin on here is this the dot doing 6mil or the initial hit

it seems like dot but the last hit of dmg 3 seconds prior was like 2mil

unless like every defensive falls off seems odd like 9 stacks of shit is a 6mil tick when 6 or 7 is 2mil

[median fjord]

Hey guys a quick question for simulation in raidbots do you use dungeon slice for fight type?

[storm rune]

1 target 5min patchwerk most of the time

[compact knot]

is this on a prot paladin

[sullen dove]

yea...

[compact knot]

hmm

ive seen the bolt hit bdks for 6m, but our prot paladin is usually very stable with those

[sullen dove]

funnily enough it seems like this guy is dyin like 5x more often on paladin than dk

not so much anymore

but like on kyveza he'd fall over to like 1 tank mech the first day he tried

[compact knot]

tanks take a little to get use to when you just switch to them

[sullen dove]

and like its weird to just randomly want to play a new tank in deepish mythic where the gain is like... negligible/who cares

grips also just so much nicer on most of these bosses

[compact knot]

i started playing my bdk and would do insanely good damage, but living was the issue.

also him having 10 stacks is kinda bad right

guy should be getting spam cleansed

[sullen dove]

yea proly

[compact knot]

it might be the tick

actually

[sinful spoke]

greed thhey talk abt in the bible

[compact knot]

holy hoarder

[sullen dove]

2 transmitters why

and why a dogshit 619 ring

[compact knot]

@sullen dove checking the log and he had ardent defender up before, then it fell off and oneshot him

[sullen dove]

yep cocka

[compact knot]

he just needs more cleanses, 10 stacks is too much for any tank

[sinful spoke]

my old one and the one i got today

the ring is just me being a hoarder

[sullen dove]

[compact knot]

im liking court more and more from a fire mage pov

seems not fun as melee

you CANNOT blink through people which is really cringe and not fun

cant alter through people, warlocks instant alter like ability also kills people too, wish they would fix it though it probably is intended

[lean heart]

FELLAS

[clever path]

wish it were me. we just started progging this this past week. fight sucks

[lean heart]

once u figure out the dance i actually dont think its bad i still dont like it tho lmao

[eternal sundial]

The thing is P3 dance is whack

Compared to the rest

Also just awfully long fight once again

Give me sark

[clever path]

instant fail mechanics are bad

like having one is fine. you existing as an instant fail mechanic the entire fight is gross af

[odd walrus]

I have a 626 Mark of Khardos, Ovi'nax Mercurial Egg, and Sacbrood...and when I sim myself I was surprised to see Mercurial Egg and Sacbrood is the suggested trinkets i should run

Thought Mark would defintely be #1

[eternal sundial]

Imagine the 3 orb version

[river reef]

dont run ovinaxx its cancer to play its not that much better than mark. Just macro mark into cds and chill

[odd walrus]

Trusss

Thanks

Appreciate it

[edgy widget]

I played egg a little bit for funsies, but yeah - it's really not worth on any of the harder fights

[undone flower]

GG, 3% yesterday for me

[keen turret]

so, is the new special ring next week going to be good or bad? should I use crests to upgrade my mythic track rings instead?

[clever path]

Bad as it stands now. If they buff it a lot it may be worth but for now it’s worse than equal ilvl rings

[keen turret]

good. hated the special ring in dragonflight. 😄

[red berry]

idk why the fuck they're deciding to add a 6 week grind into a season with 8 weeks left anyways its actually psychotic

[cerulean grail]

When you sim ovinax egg even with the worst scenario possible its still better than ara kara on my char 637 ilvl so i dont know how he can be bad or toxic to use. Just trust the and give it a try.

[unreal onyx]

8 weeks left?

[tall turret]

Will be March at earliest I'd say

[keen turret]

so that people will keep loggin in, instead taking a break before next season.

[clever belfry]

we love metrics
we love metrics
we love metrics

line MUST go up

[limber ether]

pretty sure we have more than 8 weeks at this point considering 11.1 is not even on the ptr yet, and the holidays where little tends to happen as well.

They could of course go the live server testing route, but kinda doubt the big patch will get less ptr time than the filler patch

[red berry]

idk if its 8 weeks i just read that somewhere. i probably shouldn't confidently regurgitate - i do think i remember reading that the next patch is for sure early 2025 which

makes sense

february does stand to reason

it is baffling it hasn't gone up on the PTS yet

[south kayak]

Finally they changed crests

god bless

[undone flower]

From the roadmap

If they follow their own roadmap ofc

Next raid is in the winter season

So middle march is the latest

I would refer myself to plunderstorm dates to guess the actual 11.1 date

[inner harbor]

wdym

[frank tusk]

less gilded crest required to craft 636 items, crest reward now scale with key level, less crest lost on key depletion and some more changes

on 11.0.7

[south kayak]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-crest-changes-in-11-0-7-and-into-season-2-more-crests-from-mythic-353615

[inner harbor]

bout time

[south kayak]

This is gonna make m+ skyrocket tbh

in terms of people doing it

for s2 at least

too late rn, we're too far into the tier

[pearl sequoia]

CE wahoo

[south kayak]

congrats

that's a huge warrior

is he the reason the boss is dead

[pearl sequoia]

78 parse

eh

[bitter palm]

this one has to be red

[clever belfry]

Someone tell him about CN financial reports

[undone flower]

One day, the CN shitposters will be unleashed to the world

[hoary agate]

I think you will have less people doing it, more crests = less keys done right? Until they fix some core issues with scaling and stuff people will be hardstuck 12-13 keys and give up most likely unless you are a key pusher

also for crest farming no one going to be dropping keys to 10 and just doing 12 for max if you can do 12s

[bitter palm]

they have to realize

people dont wanna raid anymore

[hoary agate]

nice QOL change though for people that want to gear quick

[bitter palm]

a lot more people play m+ than raid

for obvious reasons

not everyone wants to schedule their life

around a video game

people want to login play and logout

[hoary agate]

Idk about that one, a lot of people want to raid but you can't get in without 6 years of CE history and 99 logs to a rank 500 guild lel

[bitter palm]

not have to login at 8pm on tuesdays wednesdays and thursdays

[bitter palm]

they want to raid but dont want to commit the time

[hoary agate]

yet they push keys for 6 hours 5 days a week 😄

dont think its abou time

[bitter palm]

it is

not everyone

wants to schedule their life around a video game

not everyone has a fixed schedule every day

[hoary agate]

idk most gamers don't have social lifes

[bitter palm]

i disagree

also raiding just sucks

for a 2024 game

need to find a guild.. need to spam content when it comes out to be good ilvl for raid then wipe to bosses cause people dont have eyes

[south kayak]

Yeah but if something takes so long then people don't wanna do it either

it's a double edged sword

[bitter palm]

m+ is just cbt

unless u have a full premade

[south kayak]

you're cbt

[bitter palm]

which is an issue for a 2024 game

[slim pollen]

You seem to be in a little bit of a raid hate bubble here.
A lot of people stil enjoy raid. Most people that actually push also schedule time from what I've seen. If not you'd have to pug, and that's just another kind of toxic radioactive can of worms that most people i play with avoid like the plague

[bitter palm]

😊

[south kayak]

also that is not true

plenty of groups go well

[bitter palm]

i enjoy mythic raiding its fun but cba with the time investment

[bitter palm]

gl getting into them

[south kayak]

well, I do so idk

[bitter palm]

m+ pugging is the worst pug experience ive ever seen

[sly crane]

It wasnt that bad really, other than taking time to get into groups

[runic pine]

Is that so?

[runic pine]

This season is the worst m+ pug season but it’s also not that bad if you put the time in

[golden hare]

don't worry, season 2 will be worse

[runic pine]

At this point after the crest changes the only thing I really really want them to do is to revert the stuns/stops not putting casts on CD change

It’s been just a net negative for pugging and really dungeons in general

[lost saffron]

What

It’s always been like that

Some mobs recast some don’t

This season just has a bit more that recast

It is not a change that they made

[runic pine]

No it wasn’t always like that

[lost saffron]

Yes it was

[runic pine]

Prior to TWW stops would put a majority of casts on CD

[eternal sundial]

It's just consistent now

[runic pine]

Saying this is just not true

[lost saffron]

Wdym

Mobs always recast standard casts

After being stunned

You are right that it is more this season

But it definitely isn’t something that was not the case before

[runic pine]

Some casts

It was mostly anything that didn’t have a CD anyways

[lost saffron]

I mean you have a lot of channels this content

Channels used to always be recast

Unless you ccd them after start

Not after cast

[runic pine]

Also anything that wasn’t interruptible

[lost saffron]

What relevant thing is not interruptible and does not have another solution?

The only thing that comes to mind are the curse dispels

In gb

Which are just dispellable

[runic pine]

Whether or not there is another solution is fairly irrelevant

That doesn’t mean that the experience is better

People overlapping kicks and then you sending CCs on an important kick that comes up once every so often but the mob just continues to say fuck you until it finally goes off because everyone has their kick on CD is just not fun. It’s made pugging worse

[clever path]

You seem to be in a little bit of a raid hate bubble here.
A lot of people stil enjoy raid. Most people that actually push also schedule time from what I've seen. If not you'd have to pug, and that's just another kind of toxic radioactive can of worms that most people i play with avoid like the plague

[slim pollen]

🤔

[runic pine]

There’s so much shit to kick in dungeons already that I don’t think the change was necessary at all

[jade swan]

Hello everyone,

How are you doing?

I have reached ilvl 626 and doing 1.2-1.5M overall on keys 10s-11s. I am using the talent on wowhead/icyviens/ maxroll. I got curious and wanted to check warcraftlogs and see if others using something different and they do play without OF. Is it viable and better in M+ and does it have the same rotational aspect? Your help and assistance are highly appreciated. ❤️

[clever path]

im doing good thank you what about you

[runic pine]

Why would you play without OF

[lost saffron]

There is not really much to kick

in 10s

if you just do normal runs

ofc if you pull very large packs yes

[oblique trail]

Thane can give up OF for 2x VC, for a bit less AoE and more ST/Prio

[runic pine]

I see

[oblique trail]

Not really worth as Slayer

[runic pine]

Ok so you could just pull one pack per pull in every dungeon

[lost saffron]

Im not saying that

[runic pine]

Except that doesn’t really work as you go higher

[lost saffron]

Im saying there is not much to interrupt

Not more than previous expansions that is

[runic pine]

Almost every mob that has an important kick has at least one other thing that would be nice to kick

[lost saffron]

How is that different from last expansion?

[runic pine]

It’s not? Except that now you’re even more limited on tools to deal with it

[lost saffron]

You are not

[runic pine]

You are

[lost saffron]

Warrior has more cc than it ever had

the only thing that is not there is something like demonhunter

that silences mobs for a long time

[solemn plover]

I agree banezi

[lost saffron]

but if you are just pugging keys chances are there is not a dh tank

[errant vessel]

main diff is that ccs don't put casts on cd anymore

[runic pine]

Last expansion of you popped the mass earthquake cast with a stormbolt it would have gone on CD

[lost saffron]

Yes and then the mob casts something else

[runic pine]

This expansion it doesn’t

[lost saffron]

which by your logic you also want to stop

[runic pine]

That’s not what I said

At all

[lost saffron]

You literally said that here

[runic pine]

Reading is not your strong suit

[lost saffron]

last expansion

[oblique trail]

Thank you for agreeing Blue Spongie

[runic pine]

Or rather the comprehension of it isn’t

[lost saffron]

if you were pushing higher keys

[oblique trail]

We should ask Red Spongie too @warm crag

[lost saffron]

Whats the highest key you have completed?

Because you clearly dont know anything about pushing last expansion it seems like

And whats important

[runic pine]

This expansion or last expansion?

[lost saffron]

to interrupt

last expansion any casts that went through would kill you

this expansion its very different

[runic pine]

Brother

[lost saffron]

you have important casts that you can kick but the default casts you survive

[runic pine]

How does this relate to it just being worse?

Like the change is just worse

[lost saffron]

No

[runic pine]

Yes

[lost saffron]

because you are saying there are less tools

to stop things

[runic pine]

Because there are

[lost saffron]

but there are also LESS things you need to stop

[iron portal]

I literally had rant about this on discord and 90% of my rant appeared in wowhead. I think they are spying one me or I am truly a prophet @golden hare

[lost saffron]

which you are not considering

[runic pine]

Empirically

[solemn plover]

Always my dear compatriot

[runic pine]

There are less tools that actually stop important casts

[lost saffron]

There are also

[runic pine]

Like that’s not up for debate

[lost saffron]

less important casts that you need to stop

[errant vessel]

idk higher keys you can't let anything go through

[lost saffron]

You dont have anything like freehold where you would have to pull 20 mobs to make the timer

and a random mob cast would just oneshot you

thats just not the case at the moment

[lost saffron]

Whats the highest key you played?

because Im doing 17s and you easily survive most default casts

[runic pine]

Look out guys

[errant vessel]

timed? 12. I don't bother with m+ that much

[runic pine]

The dude who is playing with a coordinated group says it’s fine

[lost saffron]

So how do you know

[runic pine]

[lost saffron]

My highest key is timed with a pug

🤷‍♂️

[errant vessel]

doesn't mean that casts going off doesn't deal huge dmg

[lost saffron]

Yes

but there is a difference between

1 cast goes through you are 100% dead

and 1 cast go through and you take a big hit

which is exactly the difference there is

between last expansion and this expansion

You have less tools overall, yes

[thick fossil]

Except CC doesn't really deal with most casted wipe mechanics. They just start again, and after a couple CC the DR kicks in.

[lost saffron]

Yes but you can focus the kicks you have on those

and you dont have to worry about the others as much

because last expansion, every single cast was a wipe mechanic

so you had to CC everything to not wipe

but you dont have to do that anymore

so its okay to have less tools because there are less things that wipe you

[thick fossil]

Hmm, when ppl are getting one shot by web bolts it kinda means you need to kick everything.

[errant vessel]

yeah or near oneshot

[runic pine]

I mean I’m gonna be honest chief, whatever you said lost credibility when you started arguing that you have more tools to stop important casts this season

[errant vessel]

because overlaps are a thing

[thick fossil]

Course this is in 14+

[lost saffron]

nah

[errant vessel]

no, that part is true

[lost saffron]

14 doesnt do shit

[runic pine]

Bro

[lost saffron]

You survive so much stuff in 14s still

[errant vessel]

but they will resume those casts

[runic pine]

I’ve seen people get clapped to web bolts in 13s

[lost saffron]

so

The web bolts

you are talking about

[thick fossil]

Got another humble brag.

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-vtuber-saurawr-shylily-anime-gif-423507846175514443

[lost saffron]

Like

dont you see what you are saying

You are talking about web bolt

[runic pine]

Just a weird hill to die on

To act like the change is good

[lost saffron]

like a cast like that

would not have been recast

after stun

last expansion

[thick fossil]

Correct.

[lost saffron]

that is not true

they would recast

[errant vessel]

they'd recast

but you'd save kick for that instead

[thick fossil]

After a lockout like if it was kicked.

Not instantly

[lost saffron]

And yes ofc you die to double web bolt

but you would not die to a single one

like it used to be last expansion

So you just have to kick/cc half the casts

[thick fossil]

Or any overlap of party wide damage and bolt.

That's why ppl hate SoB so much. Too many wombo combos that are unavoidable.

[lost saffron]

I am playing with someone who was r1 rio for like 2 months in season 3 last expansion

And even he is saying you had to pay attention to SO much more stuff

[thick fossil]

Like double singing steel ambush. Fuck that.

[lost saffron]

last expansion

because everything would just oneshot you

you couldnt mess up a single cc

you have so much more leeway now

You have less tools

[errant vessel]

stuff can be harder in coordinated play, but easier in uncoordinated play at the same time

[lost saffron]

but you also have less things you need to worry about overall

[runic pine]

You do realize two things can be true at the same time, that kicks are still important and that the change they made to the mobs with casting was just bad?

[runic pine]

Doesn’t make the change good

[lost saffron]

here i disagree

[runic pine]

Clearly

[lost saffron]

because there is more room for error

[runic pine]

I couldn’t tell

[lost saffron]

which makes it arguably better for pugs

[runic pine]

Huh???

[lost saffron]

If you have to think about less things you can worry about the important things more

[runic pine]

You uhhh

[lost saffron]

which is generally a good thing for pug groups

[runic pine]

You do realize pugging is pretty dead right?

And the stop thing is a major complaint?

[lost saffron]

It was always a major complaint

if you pugged higher keys

any of the last expansions

you would know

[ancient quiver]

Bad take factory

[runic pine]

wtf do you mean

I’m not talking about last expansion(s)

[lost saffron]

So youre saying this is a new thing?

[runic pine]

I’m talking about the stop change that occurred with TWW being a major complaint

[lost saffron]

xD

[runic pine]

Yes

It is a new thing

Literally

[lost saffron]

I havent seen anyone doing high keys complain about it

in pugs

Where do you get this notion from that it is a major complaint

[runic pine]

You’re the kind of person who argues that unintuitive playstyles are good for the game because skill ceiling or some bs

[lost saffron]

Nah

[runic pine]

Any social media? Take your pick

Plenty of vids about it, posts about it etc.

[lost saffron]

I think it is more intuitive if you have to worry about less things overall and can focus on your rotation etc.

can you send me one?

[solemn plover]

you cant just state its out there and then not provide an example

[lost saffron]

I dont see how the mobs recasting after being stunned is more unintuitive than the other way around

I would even argue its more intuitive since thats how it works with players too

If someone comes from pvp to pve

they would assume that it works like that

[runic pine]

https://youtu.be/zYOhKt2pBn0?si=jlob_HJ8aNMzAMJH

[lost saffron]

from the get go

[runic pine]

One singular example

Very easy to find

[lost saffron]

Okay lets see

its a 20 minute video about the topic

lets see how much he addresses your point

[ancient quiver]

We gunna straw man now

[runic pine]

Just a weird take to argue for less options…..

[solemn plover]

Or the argument can be seen as increased importance of kicks rather than less options

[lost saffron]

Exactly

[runic pine]

But that’s less options….

[thick fossil]

It's a bad change either way.

[ancient quiver]

Increased incentive to invite melee with shorter kicks

[runic pine]

And in a world where in non coordinated groups, overlaps happen, it’s kinda shit

[lost saffron]

So you are saying

more options is always good?

and that people who are struggeling to do 10s wont be overwhelmed by those options?

[errant vessel]

No but being put in situations of 0 agency feels horrible

[lost saffron]

He is talking about that point for 30 seconds of the 20 minute video

But you arent

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984566516815122482/1252768575324946503/togif-16.gif

[solemn plover]

this fucked up cat is too long

[carmine plover]

toxic for what

[lost saffron]

I dont think you get into those situations, unless you are pugging very high keys that is true

In lower level keys, you just carry by yourself

[errant vessel]

ofc you're being put in situations of 0 agency more often if there are less tools to hard stop casts

[ancient quiver]

And things don't die instantly

[lost saffron]

look

[ancient quiver]

[solemn plover]

LOOK AT IT. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT LENGTH IS NORMAL?

[lost saffron]

There are LESS tools to hard stop casts

but there is also LESS casts that NEED to be hard stopped

for you to wipe

[carmine plover]

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-gif-9843882356615976849

[clever belfry]

toph how about

[ancient quiver]

Can't wait for that statement to backfire soon as dungeon pool doesn't agree with u

[clever belfry]

u carry deez?

BACKFIRE

[lost saffron]

That is very different then

[errant vessel]

yes, but those casts have rng to them in terms of overlaps or double casts

[clever belfry]

like he is gonna EXPLODE

[oblique trail]

just like you were gonna explode something

[clever belfry]

imma b real, in shit like 10s u can let 99% of casts go through

[oblique trail]

you freak

[ancient quiver]

True

[errant vessel]

kinda like how I'd 10000000 times prefer having a -5% dmg modifier from the front rather than parry

[lost saffron]

Idk, if you are a 635 equipped warrior in a +10 you can just let any cast go through and you dont die

[clever belfry]

unless ur healer is either 3 fingered or is 620

[lost saffron]

So you need to very much differentiate between

lower weekly keys and high keys

Because the agency arguement does not work for low keys due to them just not being difficult

and you being able to just carry them alone

[clever belfry]

The process of finding a derivative is called differentiation.

true?

[carmine plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[lost saffron]

True

[ancient quiver]

[gray fossil]

Guys, is there information anywhere about how to sim rings?

[oblique trail]

You sim them like you'd sim any other item

Either through top gear, droptimiser or gear compare. Arguably top gear and droptimiser the most convenient tools

[clever belfry]

are u a

lim h->0 ( ( f (a+h) - f(a) ) / h )

or are you a

lim x->x_0 ( ( f(x_0) - f(x) ) / h )

enjoyer?

[oblique trail]

Second because I never learnt the first and a + h sounds weird

[runic pine]

Ok sorry I didn’t pick a longer one my bad….lmao

[errant vessel]

gear compare if you can't be arsed to look through all the gem combinations

[clever belfry]

second one is nicer for center diff tho

[runic pine]

In this case, yes

[warm crag]

I agree too

[lost saffron]

There is arguements for both

[oblique trail]

Thank you Red Spongie

[lost saffron]

Did you just call Spongie Red Spongie

[gray fossil]

right the issue was I didn't have spark and there were warnings..

[lost saffron]

why did you do that

[oblique trail]

Because there's also @solemn plover

[lost saffron]

Yes but Red spongie is the default spongie

and therefore Spongie

[oblique trail]

True but this way you define who exactly you talk about and to

[lost saffron]

Everyone knows that if you say spongie you are talking about red spongie

[oblique trail]

If you just said Spongie, you don't know if you're talking about Blue or Default state Spongie

[runic pine]

Considering how long you end up waiting between keys trying to either get into them or fill them as the key level goes higher I don’t think that making decisions that ultimately make it more approachable or inherently less friction is a bad idea

[compact siren]

Red spongie is B tier

Blue is A tier

[lost saffron]

Yes but I think less options and less things to think about make it more approchable for someone who is new

More options just makes it so people expect more of you which most people cannot do

[runic pine]

What is there to think about?

Send interrupt, oh no I don’t have it and cast is potentially going off send CC

Which people do anyways

[solemn plover]

Im spongie

but im blue

[runic pine]

And coincidentally hurts a lot of pug groups because it leads to overlap in interrupts

[lost saffron]

Let me ask you like that

[solemn plover]

blue spongie sweep

[lost saffron]

would be more mad at someone who misses 5 out of 10 ccs

or someone who misses 1 out of 2

[runic pine]

It’s essentially the same?

[golden hare]

they're living in your walls living in your walls living in you walls

[lost saffron]

I dont think its the same because you can fix 1 mistake easier than 5

[iron portal]

reee

[oblique trail]

Wish Erga lived not in my walls but inside of the space the walls are surrounding

[runic pine]

The point being it would lessen the impact of things out of your control

[lost saffron]

Yes I know your point

[runic pine]

You can’t help it if a DH chaos novas as you send your interrupt leading to a missed int

[lost saffron]

but this also works the other way around

If you have more things to control you will also make more mistakes

during that

thats bound to happen

[runic pine]

At least if they reverted the change it would have done exactly what the interrupt would have done

[lost saffron]

it goes both ways

[ancient quiver]

I like having less agency in my runs true

[runic pine]

That’s not inherently true

[lost saffron]

That is inherently true, if you have more buttons to press, even if your failure rate is the same

you will have more mistakes

just purely based on numbers

[errant vessel]

I prefer making mistakes over being left no choice

[runic pine]

If you have 3 options to stop a cast and all 3 put the cast on a cooldown how is that going to lead to more mistakes?

[lost saffron]

That is fair

[errant vessel]

because agency is still mine

[lost saffron]

Yeh I understand that

[runic pine]

Like the math on that doesn’t math

We put more safety features in cars over the years rather than less

[lost saffron]

the thing is

[runic pine]

More tools in the toolbox that address the same thing shouldn’t lead to more mistakes

[lost saffron]

The thing is though

which classes actually have less cc tools than last expansion for example

The only class that comes to mind for me is

DH

vengeance

I dont think other classes have less tools

Warrior has gained tools

Shaman is about the same

[warm crag]

Hello blue spongie

[runic pine]

The tools lost the functionality

[solemn plover]

Hello red spongie

[lost saffron]

The timing has changed

[runic pine]

You can give me more wrenches to turn bolts but if you remove half the flats I don’t really care that I have more wrenches

They’re not as helpful at that point

[lost saffron]

Yes

But if there are less things to worry about overall

then it balances out

You have less overall casts to cc -> cc is less impactful but the tools overall are the same

[runic pine]

I’m glad you’re perfect and don’t run into situations that make you wish for the old system

[lost saffron]

The balance there is that your CC has less impact, but it doesnt need the same amount of impact because there is less overall that you need to impact

[ancient quiver]

I feel like they should unnerf the duration of aoe ccs if they are going to keep this the way it is at least

[lost saffron]

Im not, but I dont think I have ever depleted a key due to this change

specifically

I mean yes, there are casts going through that wipe you but I think that is really difficult to attribute to that change

Like, yes you can argue that it would have been different with the old system

[runic pine]

Sure

[lost saffron]

but then you can also argue that in pugs people would just overlap cc and then the mobs are drd and cast through

[runic pine]

But it certainly hasn’t helped in negating those instances

[lost saffron]

which also happened much more frequently last expansion than this

it always goes both ways

[runic pine]

I’d rather deal with DRs

At least in that case their stuns likely did something and I can always fall back on the interrupt if it’s up

And you’d usually have other options that didn’t DR with the stuns like intimidating shout or whatever the paladin aoe blind is

[ancient quiver]

Healer preist wouldn't feel so useless at least

[runic pine]

Idk why I said intimidating shout

Meant fear one

No sleep brain go hard

[oblique trail]

That is intimidating shout that fears

[clever belfry]

scary

shout

[oblique trail]

boo

[runic pine]

Like I said brain no work

Been up all night

Taking care of someone who just had surgery over the weekend

[oblique trail]

hope for quick recovery

[solemn plover]

AAAH

[radiant plank]

Why not take Cacophonous Roar?

[bitter palm]

Why not take Menace

[clever belfry]

menace is the TRUE goat

knockies

[warm crag]

it is okay Blue Spongie, banezi will not scare you again

[solemn plover]

Thank you red spongie. are we shrinking him?

[warm crag]

If you wish for it

[lost saffron]

Soon Banezi will disappear

[thick fossil]

They're multiplying....

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[lost saffron]

Oh no

[solemn plover]

its green spongie

The most evil spongie of us all

[lost saffron]

Grrrrrr

[dire badge]

letsfkinggooo we got a green

[ancient quiver]

What's the main idea with am fury on ovinax like I feel like my cds are still like 5 sec off from where they should be for eggs

Just spend more rage 4head? Kinda issue

[south kayak]

Someone here might know but there are ways to spend more rage

I don't know them specifically

[coarse nest]

Hollyy a green spongus now!!

[lost saffron]

You kinda need to prio rampage more to get recklessness in time

That’s the idea pretty much

[south kayak]

can't wait for Cyan spongie

[ancient quiver]

[coarse nest]

If you lose uptime at all it can throw you off

It’s definitely worth playing AM though just keep practicing it

[sullen dove]

if you’re just trying it out can also be worth to swap bloodcraze to either sudden death or even DOI for few extra seconds of reck inkling out and get like 1 or 2 more “free” rampages

But also should like exclusively be frenzied enrage if ur not

As much as I want powerful to work it’s too cringe, and I think “guaranteed” reck for 20% crit chance on everything prolly pretty substantial to not have anyway

[fickle bluff]

@warm crag pick 1 2 or 3

[ancient quiver]

Thank you ❤️

[smoky vale]

in addition to what swordish said you can use trinket and reck on prepull to help you have it by the first egg set

[oblique trail]

It's not worth doing that

[smoky vale]

why not

[clever belfry]

globals u spend outside combat with reck up

u cdr less

its just not worth

[smoky vale]

i do it like 1 sec before

[clever belfry]

yeah and u lose half a ramp instantly

good work

[smoky vale]

[clever belfry]

just reck charge like a good boy

[oblique trail]

Also assuming you want to maximise egg damage, you'd use trinket + avatar on 1st eggs

And not on pull

Unless you're going 2x on-use

[smoky vale]

im 2 on use

[oblique trail]

Sorry to hear

[smoky vale]

ive just been doing trinket reck charge roar of ramp bs

always have it up even if i lose 2 gcds

[sudden tusk]

you could also maximize no egg damage

[lost saffron]

I would make that dependant on when your group uses lust

When you lust on pull

you should delay cds for adds

because everyone else pumped their load during lust

🥵

[sullen dove]

[smoky vale]

im going to pump you

[oblique trail]

We lust on pull, and have tried on 1st eggs, and regardless I hold ava + trinket for eggs

[smoky vale]

[oblique trail]

Either way we also kill before 1st eggs even pop in 3rd phase

Where I just end up sending CDs anyway on boss alone at the end

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/fern-spin-spinning-herta-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-gif-30434992266624002

[oblique trail]

Don't think with our kill timer it'd be better to use on pull rather than on eggs

And also too lazy to figure out

[sudden tusk]

the bi weekly buff makes the raid hilarious

bosses just explode

[sullen dove]

haha... yeah...

[lost saffron]

Probably, but then again, if you kill like that then youre not parsing anyways

xD

[oblique trail]

I'd consider it good enough

[sullen dove]

only 98 ICANT

[oblique trail]

I got a 99 underneath

[sullen dove]

[solemn plover]

hes not that cool

Im blue

[oblique trail]

noober

[sullen dove]

powerful

[lost saffron]

Youre just good

But you know what I mean

[sullen dove]

itd be nice to do something on that boss but when you have 4 dps dks in on every kill and an ele sham

its joever

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-sleepy-sleep-tired-gif-17581546106730598678

i cast silken court

[oblique trail]

Yeah I'm almost solo bolo parasite damage

well until we got a new DH trial

[lost saffron]

And you still only get 98/99

[sullen dove]

my dmg has just... gone down every time i killed...

[lost saffron]

Because youre not chinese

[sullen dove]

altho i prolly died on last one

oh yea no i did

rember

[lost saffron]

and not triggering parasites on purpose

[oblique trail]

Critcake got a rank something 1 digit

So it must be possible

[sullen dove]

classic cake

[sudden tusk]

i went full single target

and snuck a

[lost saffron]

I had a pull where it would have ended like that too

but

its very insane rng

Being at 4.2M after first intermission type rng

xDDD

[oblique trail]

Proc more 🅱️eap the 🅱️orms

[sullen dove]

i think i pretty frequently hit 4mil coming out of 3rd set of eggs like 1mil above anyone else

then is when it usually falls off