fury

[tired violet]

i rarely see havoc dh anymore

[south kayak]

they're not that common to be gin with

[exotic root]

Dh is not fine

[south kayak]

I guess we have different meanings of fine

[exotic root]

Maybe in terms of strict raw performance

But playing current dh is suicide watch

Idk how either hero talent exited beta

[south kayak]

Yeah I meant performance

Idk if it's that bad, you were already using those abilities anyway

Felscared just makes them better

[tired violet]

performance is fine, just the gameplay feels a bit clunky

[exotic root]

Felscarred is fine ish on havoc

Besides having an opener the size of the Bible

[south kayak]

What's funny to me is that felscarred boosted abilities aren't changed at all

[exotic root]

On vdh I really dislike it

[south kayak]

it's literally the same

like the eye beam should be different

abyssal something it's called

why is it the same as the normal eye beam

[exotic root]

And aldrachi could of been good

[tired violet]

i would play dh if there was a build that didnt involve inertia

[exotic root]

Until they put reavers glaive on gcd after it wasn’t for entire beta cycle

[south kayak]

iirc aldrachi is too much uptime reliant

[exotic root]

Inertia specifically or

[tired violet]

and i hate their capstone ability

[exotic root]

Yeah

For vdh its competitive if played perfectly

But like

It’s so hard to play perfect

[tired violet]

just the movement in general feels awk in a pug group most of the time

[south kayak]

@open prairie Thoughts on Felscarred improved abilities and why they're not upgraded animation wise

[exotic root]

I actually really like havocs movement

[south kayak]

[exotic root]

Maybe it’s just being a dh main for ever

But

[tired violet]

some do, i just cant do it

[exotic root]

Class feels dry without idk

[south kayak]

I think one spec out of 36 being reliant on Movement speed to dps is a good thing

if you like that

you play havoc

if you don't, don't

simple

[exotic root]

Fwiw havoc also has a lot of bloat

[south kayak]

there needs to be some sort of uniqueness in the game

[exotic root]

I think is part of the issue

[tired violet]

it just corners dh to a wall when its all or nothing on movement

[south kayak]

They could make the bloated abilities like passive, like for example, make Sigil of Flame proc when you use Immolation Aura, with a cd of 30 seconds

They did the same thing for unholy in some cases

[exotic root]

It’s not that havoc has movement based rotation, it’s also relatively complex (a complaint I hear, idk wow classes aren’t hard)

Sof could probably get removed for havoc yeah

[south kayak]

It makes sense that sigil of flame can pop when you use immolation aura imo

there's a lot of things similar to that that can be done

it's not hard

[exotic root]

Would be awk for vdh but

Also havocs rework sucked ass

[south kayak]

it procs around the target

what's bad about that

[tired violet]

dh is a hero class, so im not sure why they havent been recieving much love

[exotic root]

The spec tree is so despairge

[south kayak]

well, it could be an issue since you won't use it before going into the pack lol

delay it after immo aura then

3 sec delay

am i cooking

[exotic root]

Meh

I like hitting sigil of flame personally

Havocs entire movement toolkit needs a rework

[south kayak]

Could something be done for immo aura

[exotic root]

Tbh

[exotic root]

Uhh

It’s hard to modify it

[south kayak]

what if it's an off gcd toggle on/off

[exotic root]

Since it’s so much of your m+ aoe

You can’t toggle it

That would break a lot

[south kayak]

Yeah I know

[exotic root]

You actually could on df beta

[south kayak]

Didn't they add immo aura recently or what

SL?

[exotic root]

And you fished for high rf numbers

And it was super degen

[south kayak]

it was a vengeance only ability

for a while

[exotic root]

Yep

It fits havoc m+ rly well tho

Imo

[south kayak]

they keep adding in abilities for havoc and it's annoying as hell

they went from one extreme to another

one button spam (legion)

to now

[exotic root]

Idk like

Havocs complexity isn’t its issue

[south kayak]

I don't htink it is

I think the bloat is the issue

the amount of abilities you need to use on the opener

is INSANE

to say the least

[exotic root]

The opener is an issue yea

[tired violet]

kinda like ww monk

[exotic root]

It’s hero talents are the most glaring issue

[south kayak]

no way ww monk is that bad

i know it isn't

[exotic root]

And it’s spec tree

Is like

Jarringly bad

[arctic salmon]

my legion dh with dinner bell was the ultimate smooth brain, chaos blades and demon form and spam chaos strike, top meter for the whole fight from the ridiculous opener burst

[tired violet]

i havent played it in awhile, i just remember ww used to be complex

[south kayak]

the fact they didn't put S3 tier set from DF to havoc is such a massive oversight

[exotic root]

Hm

Idk where they put it

Without making it mandatory

[south kayak]

the entire warglaive throw tree lmao

right side

[tired violet]

yeah warglaive is ass

[south kayak]

yeah that's why s3 was great

[exotic root]

Havoc tree is strained af for points already is the issue

[south kayak]

because it automated throw glaive

[exotic root]

Also

I much prefer s1 havoc

Than s3

Fwiw

[south kayak]

I don't remmeber that

[exotic root]

Manual glaiving

[south kayak]

[exotic root]

Havoc needs another spender

Tg fills that

[tired violet]

manual vs the tier set glaiving for you

[south kayak]

Annihilation and Death Sweep are so cool

one of the best abilities in the game

[exotic root]

S1 havoc even tho you had to deal with some of the worst class mechanics ever introduced was a lot more fun than s3

[south kayak]

didn't you ignore death sweep in legion

[exotic root]

Hunt feeling like an ability did feel v v v v v v nice tho

[south kayak]

to only spam annihilation

[exotic root]

At times yes

In certain tcount

[south kayak]

in certain target counts

you could spam eye beam anyway

[exotic root]

Yea I didn’t play a ton of legion, only vaguely know

[south kayak]

There was a leggo

helm

[exotic root]

Ye

[south kayak]

raddon's cascading eyes

[exotic root]

I looked into just don’t remember cpm eye beam

[south kayak]

it was insane in target counts were you could spam eye beam

[exotic root]

Maybe havoc is good next tier in m+

[tired violet]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-right-doubt-press-x-to-doubt-gif-27480342

[exotic root]

It’s been pretty good recently fwiw

[south kayak]

it has been good pretty much the entirety of season 3

in df

[exotic root]

S1 s3

[tired violet]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-tww-1/world/demon-hunter/havoc

ig not too bad

[exotic root]

Actually don’t know how it was in s4

Since I just played vdh

[open prairie]

idk i dont care about anima too much

[south kayak]

fair but that just seemed like an easy win

to make that hero talent more cool

[open prairie]

animation is a waste of resources imo

[south kayak]

I disagree tbh but that's alright

I see why you do

think that

[open prairie]

frost dks with their million white particles

[south kayak]

Frosty wind gust

[open prairie]

then there’s dumbass dragons

[south kayak]

warriors need more red animations

[open prairie]

play prot thane

enough animations

[south kayak]

same could be said for fury thane

[open prairie]

you dont get the minor glyph for thunderclap

as fury

[south kayak]

that's dumb tbh

[open prairie]

i dont like how fury thane plays tbh

feels awkward

prot thane feels natural

no avatar cdr as fury either

[south kayak]

The thane capstone is so underwhelming

[open prairie]

which

[south kayak]

the proc on proc thing

[open prairie]

fatal intent is the worst hero talent imo

of any class

[south kayak]

rofl

second part

a proc has a 10% chance to grant you a proc

[willow cradle]

yeah

its uh

[open prairie]

yeah

[south kayak]

WHILE IT'S NOT ACTIVE

[willow cradle]

not noticeable in the slightest either

[open prairie]

fatal intent still makes me laugh since

its like 0.2% damage

[south kayak]

yeah they really need to make this better

[open prairie]

and it replaced a talent on beta

[south kayak]

i want more avatar procs

[open prairie]

that did 2-3%

[south kayak]

is that an assassination talent

fuck them

[oblique trail]

👍

[south kayak]

[open prairie]

deathstalker

[oblique trail]

Truly a crazy hero talent

[clever belfry]

INSANE HPS HACK 2025

[south kayak]

every single frostfire mage hero talents are goated

goated hero spec

[oblique trail]

2 BI casts did more healing than it

[south kayak]

i remember it was like 50%

and they nerfed it

[clever belfry]

it NEEDED nerfing

[south kayak]

I think it would be fine if it was executes heal you for 15% of the damage

not Sudden Death only

[clever belfry]

Surely the thane defensive talents aren't just 20x bette

no way!

[south kayak]

No way!!

couldn't be the case

[clever belfry]

esp not the 5% stam and IV overheal one!

[south kayak]

8% DR??

surely that's not better

[open prairie]

dont people play keep your feet on the ground

[south kayak]

they do

I do at least but I don't think it matters much

[foggy pine]

hey guys ! should I take Khardros even if i got skarmorak last week ?should i take weapon to have 2 639 weapon? Or i take the helm to not have 5 set

[oblique trail]

Impending Victory node is arguably better

[south kayak]

I'll try that

[oblique trail]

Not only do you get 5% effective HP at all times, you can also buffer 10% increased HP by pre-using IV (if it's needed for a oneshot)

[south kayak]

can be decent for this weeks' affix

but that shouldn't be an issue

[south kayak]

if healers or people aren't pepega

[open prairie]

speaking shit defensive hero talents

[south kayak]

isn't that good

[open prairie]

no

[steel shard]

looks better than the fucking SD heal

[south kayak]

[south kayak]

Anything's better than that

[open prairie]

meanwhile

deathbringer talents

[south kayak]

don't mention deathbringer please

dk's defensives need to be GUTTED

make veteran 10% stamina

[steel shard]

how much passive DR do they have again

18% magic

[south kayak]

a lot

[steel shard]

and 20% more stam

[south kayak]

5% stamina actually

fuck them

[steel shard]

dont mind AMS being an insane button

[south kayak]

make it 5

[steel shard]

Altho spell reflect is

really fucking good aswell

[warm crag]

nerf SR

true

[south kayak]

lmfao

[south kayak]

[tired violet]

now this is OP

[south kayak]

that has perma uptime during breath

[tired violet]

i think they nerfed it at one point?

[south kayak]

I'm going to dk channel

to call for nerfs

[steel shard]

yea

[tired violet]

https://tenor.com/view/unfair-not-fair-spongebob-angry-annoyed-gif-20421612

[steel shard]

was 2% per stack

[south kayak]

needs to be .5%

[exotic root]

erhmmm

[south kayak]

well, it wouldnt be that egregious

[wary fjord]

Needs to be gone

[south kayak]

if the class wasn't so tanky to begin with

[exotic root]

death knight has a class fantasy of being overpowered?

[wary fjord]

You aren't wrong

[south kayak]

remove the 20% stamina

or make it less

[exotic root]

does someone have the source interview for that meme

[south kayak]

what meme

[wary fjord]

Don't remove the stamina, just make their abilities sap hp instead of runic power

[exotic root]

someone asked ion why warlocks are historally strong and he said they have a class fantasy of being powerful

or smth

[wary fjord]

Lmao

[tired violet]

how come we dont get a cool discord icon for christmas

[south kayak]

[south kayak]

low budget

[wary fjord]

Yet warriors don't have that history?

[south kayak]

yeah that's not for you

[tired violet]

ion plays bm hunter

[south kayak]

I remember bm hunters used to be everywhere

[storm rune]

Is that guy's name actually ion or is that his ign

[south kayak]

it's his name

[storm rune]

Damn

[south kayak]

It's not a common name but it is a name

[storm rune]

Dude was born a nerd

[open prairie]

does their being able to mount in combat

work in raid

[wary fjord]

All I'm saying is, garrosh was pretty strong, why can't we be that strong.

[oblique trail]

That's a hero talent

It replaces Deaths Advance with a horse

Although idk if there's any raid boss that counts as being outdoors where it's usable

[warm crag]

first 4 are or

[wary fjord]

Lmao, use it for rash

[open prairie]

choice node

[oblique trail]

Not a single top 100 log has picked it for 3/4 bosses

[wary fjord]

It would be a funny use if we ever get another halondrus

[oblique trail]

Any of the 4 first actually

yeah I know it's a choice node

But legit no one has picked it

[south kayak]

that's nuts lmao

[oblique trail]

So presumably it doesn't work

[south kayak]

why is no one usnig it

oh

true

[tired violet]

its shat

[open prairie]

because 100% movespeed

on 2 charges

[wary fjord]

Yeah

Breaking movement impairment even removes the possible pvp utility

Wait, is the ability just a reference to how DK arthas was mounted in wc3

[brittle crow]

man never heard of a horseman

[wary fjord]

I'm just grasping at why the choice node even exists here

Cause unless I can fight while mounted with it, no reason for it to exist really

[open prairie]

i mean it was kind of weird pallies got mounted combat first

[wary fjord]

Honestly true

[open prairie]

i get the feeling the first talent doesnt work outright

else anywhere you can mount should be better

to stay perma on one

[wary fjord]

Yeah

[whole yacht]

why is that weird? paladins = crusaders. crusaders engaged in mounted combat

[wary fjord]

The paladins of the series are less known for their horses than dks tbh

[open prairie]

well death knight its been an even more prominent theme

like half the dk npcs you fight are mounted

i feel

[wary fjord]

Yeah

[open prairie]

i guess attumen is technically one? Even if tbc came before wotlk

[wary fjord]

Dks existed before wotlk

Like in nax

[open prairie]

Yeah they just became official playables

[wary fjord]

Or stratholme

Yeah

[open prairie]

assuming we’re talking current gen and not the orc warlock in human knight corpse ones

[feral ivy]

just got my warrior to 3k i.o now i want to get another character but idk what

[open prairie]

Still surprised they didnt make a valarjar themed hero tree on warrior

unless thane counts

[wary fjord]

It's cause odyn doesnt love us anymore

Nah

Thane is a Warcraft 2 reference I think?

I forget

[open prairie]

probably

even if crapping lightning is more a shaman thing imo

[wary fjord]

Eh

[open prairie]

which weirdly enough the spec of that class that has a literal ra-den weapon as their artifact doesn’t have a stormbringer tree

[wary fjord]

Weird

[open prairie]

does feel the story team is different

from whoever did legion artifacts

[wary fjord]

On the topic of artifact weapons, why aren't feral druids able to use daggers when their artifact weapon was literally dual wield daggers

Just tired of seeing agi daggers that only rogues can use drop

[open prairie]

feel like they just gave up

even though 2h int maces exist

well and warglaives the other one class weapon

[wary fjord]

Yes, I love 4 of the same warglaive dropping from one boss when we have 1 dh in the raid, that doesn't need them

[open prairie]

Artifact weapons showed they have the tech to make dual wielding classes have a single slot for both weapons though

[wary fjord]

[open prairie]

Reminds me how our dh had 2 m rash weapons drop

same week he crafted

[wary fjord]

Lmao

Maximum suffering

[open prairie]

well with craft bug

at least you save crests

still oof

[wary fjord]

Ye

[open prairie]

though for warrior not as big

i suspect it was added to not fuck over fury players as hard though

the fact a 2h discounts everything else

[warm crag]

affects rings too

cant be intentional at all

[wary fjord]

Just loot council that DH's don't get 1 handers ever, except the glaives

[open prairie]

yep

[wary fjord]

Ez

[open prairie]

well its funny you mention that

since the rash wep is better statted

anyway

besides kyveza fist

I’ve also seen 3 regicides drop off hc kyveza with no rogues needing it in raid

[wary fjord]

At least tmog works across classes now

[open prairie]

Yeah

i wonder why they capped warbound loot to champion

[wary fjord]

So you would have to still do stuff on alts

[open prairie]

stares at gilded crest cap on alts

[wary fjord]

[open prairie]

dw if you get 639 on every slot on one char its only 10

!

[covert blaze]

so you dont do the raid on 10000 characters to funnel your main

early on

[wary fjord]

Yeah, I assume it's to cut back loot funnel tech

[open prairie]

yeah

me when i see ansurek ring drop on hc

instant loot it then realize its warbound since no lootroll

[oak peak]

can someone link the spell reflect WA?

[wary fjord]

Man, your alts lucky day

[open prairie]

my alt has ansurek ring on hc

before main

[clever belfry]

just have it on both

[covert blaze]

same

[clever belfry]

?

[open prairie]

same alt got m rash cloak first mythic vault

[covert blaze]

where is your M queen ring

[clever belfry]

i have not played since we killed big moma

[wary fjord]

That ain't your alt anymore

That's your main now

[covert blaze]

fair

[open prairie]

i got m sikran neck first week of october

so i guess it evens out

[oblique trail]

Got it first Sikran kill ever

[wary fjord]

Ah true

[oblique trail]

Skillful display

[open prairie]

yeah my dh is disgust

sikran neck queen ring hc vaults

m rash cloak

solid 3 weeks

[wary fjord]

But they're a dh, so gross

[open prairie]

too bad sikran neck is terrible for havoc

ig its good on vdh

[sour frigate]

Its not terrible for havoc its havoc terrible for it

[open prairie]

vdh is boring compared to prot warr

though

[chilly tulip]

In terms o better wich page has a better build guide wowhead or Iciveins

sorry

I just wanna do dps lmao

[open prairie]

except when my dps only use their kicks on casts im reflecting

[chilly tulip]

Also kind of new

[open prairie]

[past pivot]

They’re the same. Same author. But wowhead seems to update more often. Also read the dos faqs here

[south kayak]

Nobody ever kicks any casts but as soon as I reflect a cast coming on my way

The group turns into mdi

[open prairie]

real

Idk how to feel when i outdps a frost dk with more gear

as tank

[south kayak]

What

[open prairie]

yeah

i was doing more dam in an arakara

on prot warr than an fdk with 7 ilvls on me

[south kayak]

[wary fjord]

Fotm classic

[open prairie]

im not even a big tanker boi

playing colossus with double dam trinks

[south kayak]

Did you do decent damage

[open prairie]

like 700k?

nothing crazy

[south kayak]

Wanna see something

[open prairie]

yeah that

[south kayak]

Ara 7

[old nest]

yo guys, anybody know why Noxiv runs Steadfast as the Peaks instead of Keep your Feet on the Ground for push keys? is it better overall?

[south kayak]

Both dps got sac

[open prairie]

checks out

[south kayak]

It is better I think, more stamina and you can use it to prepare for a big damage

[wary fjord]

Imagine not getting mythic sac this week

[open prairie]

i love seeing dks die to the queen pull mechanic

when you have 2 charges of an ability that negates it

[old nest]

yeah true, guess more value overall since you can prepare for burst more

[south kayak]

What I got from this is that I need to play worse to get bis items

[open prairie]

same dk btw died to the succ on last boss

3x in a row

[south kayak]

[wary fjord]

How

[south kayak]

Doesn’t his ability negate that

[wary fjord]

Ye

[open prairie]

Yes DA literally negates any pulls

[wary fjord]

Bro is cooked

[south kayak]

You don’t wanna go in tho

Just stay out

[wary fjord]

Yeah

[south kayak]

Fury only spec that can dps in

Then leap out

Well, outlaw too

[open prairie]

Even then you gotta time it

to not leap out too early

[south kayak]

Yeah I died to one once

Ina boost run

[wary fjord]

Lmao

[oblique trail]

nice deduct

[south kayak]

[open prairie]

sometimes im tempted

[south kayak]

Wasn’t a deduct

[open prairie]

to go dragon on warrior

[wary fjord]

Me too

[oblique trail]

rawr

[warm crag]

wtf?

[oblique trail]

Hard to say worth unless you really want to be dragon, or go all in for Ansurek prog

Because you're forced to look like a dragon on r.io and wclogs

[open prairie]

whats grim is the amount of classes i see

[south kayak]

Sometimes I’m tempted to dragon deez nuts across your face

[warm crag]

ok but dragon does nothing on that fight

[open prairie]

going gnome for ansurek

[oblique trail]

You completely negate wrest

[warm crag]

great u get to bladestorm 2s earlier on the adds that need to be padded

[open prairie]

this is the offputting part

[warm crag]

and you place a shit web 👍

[warm crag]

its comfy but adds nothing

[open prairie]

peak form

[warm crag]

holy moly

[oblique trail]

whayt

[south kayak]

💀

[oblique trail]

Spongie stop speaking shit

[wary fjord]

Holy shit

[oblique trail]

You freak

[wary fjord]

He is ugly

[oblique trail]

You can literally stand on the very edge and place the web there

[warm crag]

you have no constructive arguments so you must insult !

[oblique trail]

If you stand anywhere else and place it there, it's simply someone being stupid

[open prairie]

thats a priest guildie

of mine btw

[warm crag]

yeah but you can also just solve it like non evokers and lose a bit of pad

[wary fjord]

They are horrifying

[oblique trail]

wdym lose pad

[oblique trail]

you completely negate wrest straight up

[warm crag]

yes but that only matters on platform 2

[oblique trail]

And never have to worry about messing up timings for it or saving any mobility

[warm crag]

you want to slow dps in p2 anyways ...

[oblique trail]

We have never held DPS in p2

[open prairie]

I mean where does dragon fall on sims anyway

[warm crag]

then ur cds are misaligned in p3

[open prairie]

im assuming mid pack

[oblique trail]

In the upper mid ranges

[oblique trail]

They aren't

[warm crag]

if u dont play p2 somewhat slowly and press them asap on platform 2 they are not aligned for adds in p3

[open prairie]

also in all fairness which races even have more useful racials?

i guess dorf is always good

[oblique trail]

And I can do this because I don't have to hold BS

Leap -> insta send

[wary fjord]

[south kayak]

Is that Momo in your pfp

[warm crag]

bladestorm isnt the problem for that alignemnt

[oblique trail]

Leap -> send CDs insta

[warm crag]

idk maybe ur guild already just plays slow enough to not need dps stops

[open prairie]

ngl im already human

[warm crag]

but if i press p2 platform 2 asap and we finish platform 3 quickly then i dont get cds up for first adds to be alive

[open prairie]

so biggest loss would just be my rio page is an ugly dragon

[oblique trail]

Like CD timings has not been an issue aside from very slightly being awkward having them ready 1 or 2 sec after spiders spawn

[open prairie]

and armory

[south kayak]

What’s the anime in your pfp

[open prairie]

sailor moon

[oblique trail]

yes

[south kayak]

Nice

[oblique trail]

This has rarely happened

[south kayak]

I got the same person

[warm crag]

then ur slow in p2

shrug

[oblique trail]

I don't know if my guild has just held CDs without saying anything to accommodate the fact I solo 2nd platform

[south kayak]

Oh okay

[warm crag]

if i dont audibly say to slow down in p2 then i just dont get p3 cds

[oblique trail]

Right but this is also entirely different to the initial convo that dragon just makes Ansurek extremely comfy

[warm crag]

i claim it only changes platform 2 wrest and only gains you a bit of pad

[oblique trail]

And I claim as someone who has progged all of Ansurek as dragon, that being able to ignore every single wrest regardless of what tools you have ready, means P2 is very very comfy

[open prairie]

I feel for the most part

[oblique trail]

Regardless of the platform

[open prairie]

you’re just playing a human with better customization options

and horns

[south kayak]

Blood elf

Not human

[open prairie]

playing male

xd

[south kayak]

At least the male

[oblique trail]

I can bait beams on 1st platform without ever having to worry about my positioning, meaning the rest of my platform can payphone

[warm crag]

and i claim that someone who progged all of ansurek as not a dragon that you dont need to ignore every single wrest for it to be comfy

like its certainly nice as an extra tool but i dont think it wouldve lowered pullcount on prog

[open prairie]

i assume gnome matters alot less

this late

more gear and all

[oblique trail]

Gnome doesn't matter at all as warrior

[south kayak]

Imagine ever playing gnome

[oblique trail]

You SR every root

[open prairie]

you can SR it?

[oblique trail]

Yes

It ignores the root

[warm crag]

yes you pre sr every single silken tomb

[open prairie]

[south kayak]

I didn’t know this lol

[open prairie]

dafk

[south kayak]

But then again I didn’t raid mythic queen

[oblique trail]

I can't say if it did, but it certainly has made the mechanic infinitely less fuckup-able

[devout totem]

u can SR the root on last boss of city of thread too

[open prairie]

i mean on hc you’d have odyns give you an avatar break

so it never mattered

[warm crag]

surely u SR the dot

[south kayak]

Does jet stream work for roots

From wind rush

[oblique trail]

I personally am of the mind that if you can reduce any sort of brain power for a mechanic and don't lose out on anything, then it's worth it

[open prairie]

Oh wait i think i accidentally SRed the root once

when i pressed it for dr

[devout totem]

idk the dot doesn't matter in +10

root is more annoying

[open prairie]

isnt this just a total root clear

[warm crag]

will do more damage than reflecting the root

[open prairie]

assuming your shaman doesnt just drop his totem

to pad on tombs

[oblique trail]

Kill them first

[south kayak]

Totemic?

[warm crag]

Explode them

Detonate them

[covert blaze]

weebs

[south kayak]

Sunder them

[oblique trail]

yeah?

[open prairie]

Yeah

[oblique trail]

sue me

[open prairie]

Pretty sure people been saying totemic might just be better

[oblique trail]

🪞

[open prairie]

for every boss now

unless you wanna highroll

[covert blaze]

i will

[south kayak]

Speaking of totemic, I peaked 6.8m dps on rashanan last week

[warm crag]

fake news

[south kayak]

Nah it’s not

I can vouch and some people who saw it

[open prairie]

first add set?

[south kayak]

No

Didn’t touch adds

Entirely st

[warm crag]

least useful copypasta image

[open prairie]

enh looks mildly funny

[south kayak]

I got a lot of sundering resets

That’s why

[open prairie]

Worst padders in this season are still

ret pal players

i swear

[south kayak]

Rets are just weird

They use divine storm

When it’s obviously better to use the other one

Sadly they don’t have prio damage otherwise

F

[open prairie]

Seems they gave most specs some sort of

[south kayak]

That’s why they’re not meta

[open prairie]

passive magic dr

[covert blaze]

check dm

[open prairie]

in response to some classes being too tanky relative to others

[south kayak]

Did they

[open prairie]

well lets not talk about dk

[south kayak]

💀

[open prairie]

but sham does have 6% magic dr and 3% flat from lightning shield

[covert blaze]

i don't know what you're talking about

[warm crag]

true

[south kayak]

Isn’t it only 3%

On stormbringer

[open prairie]

theres a 6% magic

on class tree

[south kayak]

Oh probably

[south kayak]

I don’t know the class tree that well

Enha isn’t as squishy as I thought

But it’s nowhere near fury

[open prairie]

tbh how to rank the dps tankiness

besides

[south kayak]

Do logs show peaked dps

[open prairie]

dk>lock>rest

[south kayak]

Yah that’s accurate

[covert blaze]

ofc

[eternal sundial]

bro does not look at logs ever

or

[open prairie]

dont recall how much armor contributes

to dr

[south kayak]

I’ll check

[open prairie]

i think dh only class i’ve seen that has a talent specifically reducing just physical damage

oh and rogue ig

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s kinda useless

Unless there’s a physical damage aoe

Idk if there’s a lot

Slam in sob

[exotic root]

schizophrenic sorry

[south kayak]

Here’s the dps

Peak

@open prairie

[open prairie]

checks out

[eternal sundial]

bonk

[open prairie]

but yeah physical damage aoes are rare

not sure what even makes enh durable

[south kayak]

@warm crag apologies for the tag

[radiant plank]

FInally got enough crit to kill opportunist on arms

[exotic root]

u kick a bolt

u get 15% dr to that dmg type

stacking 2x

[south kayak]

Enha isn’t that tanky

[exotic root]

its a moderately strong talent fwiw

[south kayak]

Just alternate cds lol

[open prairie]

yeah that one seems alright

on trash at least

[exotic root]

u can wolf for 20% dr

[south kayak]

You have andenstral shift

[exotic root]

but yeah, enh isnt tanky

[south kayak]

40% dr

1 min cd

[open prairie]

doesnt the wolf dr have buildup

1.5min cd

[south kayak]

Some absorb totem

[south kayak]

Yes

You’ll never get capped

Unless you don’t wanna dps

[exotic root]

its over 4 sec yh

[eternal sundial]

HOLY

[warm crag]

thats raid dps

[open prairie]

yeah they made it a choice node with the root break wolf

i like how there’s elemental dr from using healing stream totem but how often does that get hit

[exotic root]

2min 60% dr or 1.5m 40% dr but tye

[south kayak]

What? Is it?

[warm crag]

ye your entire raid only did 7 mil dps at that point

[sour frigate]

no

[radiant plank]

🫵

[sour frigate]

u need to wait like 10 seconds so it will be 20% xd

[south kayak]

That can’t be true considering I saw my char doing 6.8m dps

At that point

[warm crag]

me when i lie and you keep falling for it

[dire badge]

[south kayak]

I am lost

[covert blaze]

how could your raid do 7m

[south kayak]

In this sea of trolling

[covert blaze]

box get a grip

[south kayak]

I’m gonna get a grip on dn

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-1712163874519931175

[fervent yoke]

We talk more about enha than fury in here anymore 😔

[exotic root]

its 4 but ye

[south kayak]

🤓

[open prairie]

so about as likely

as telling the average fury player to go d stance in downtime

[exotic root]

never said its good

[south kayak]

Makes me wonder how are enhas doing 18s

[open prairie]

aug

[south kayak]

[open prairie]

you also get the 10% max hp ankh talent

[sour frigate]

d stance ftw

[south kayak]

Oh I forgot

[sour frigate]

forbidden tech for most players

[open prairie]

only awkward d stance moment

[south kayak]

You get 15% max hp when you have earth elemental up

[open prairie]

is when i forget to switch back

[south kayak]

1 min duration

[open prairie]

on my opener next pull

[open prairie]

isnt it an hp increase

[covert blaze]

''defensive stance ON'' text in the middle of my screen

[open prairie]

based off the conduit

[exotic root]

5% dr and 15% max hp

[open prairie]

also earth ele is a 5min cd

[south kayak]

Unforch

[open prairie]

for a second i thought greater earth ele was only a thing for elemental

[south kayak]

Greater is, no?

[open prairie]

well ele has more elementals period

unless wolves count?

[south kayak]

They do not

Finally garms shows up

[tidal kindle]

Stay mad + L + summon me

[open prairie]

Do you have

guldan parkour clip

still

[south kayak]

Reminds me of eye of the jailer

I died dashing

Out of the platform

[open prairie]

i mean doesnt seem a crazy good talent then

to get 5% dr every 5mins

[south kayak]

For 1 min tho

I’m not saying it’s good

But yeah

[open prairie]

yeah its something

[south kayak]

Meanwhile fury gets 10% dr perma

[covert blaze]

the dh in my guild kept dying to dashing off the sylvanas p3 platform on heroic on week 1

[open prairie]

whatever you do

dont talk about dk defensives

[warm crag]

sylvanes

[open prairie]

casual 8% magic dr

on top of rest of their kit

[south kayak]

They’d fix dk defensives if veteran wasn’t 20% stam

Make it 5%

[warm crag]

can you stop malding about the literal only class that has better defensives than us

[open prairie]

aug technically

[south kayak]

Warlock has better

[open prairie]

but true

[south kayak]

I’m pretty sure

[warm crag]

idk we're tied with like 3 other classes

[tidal kindle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InspiringSullenPepperoniWow

[south kayak]

Warlock > fury

[exotic root]

believe enh also just catches alot of rescues and sups in high keys

fwiw

[open prairie]

lmao

whats the ranking on tankiness anyway

dk>lock>

fury is up there somewhere

[south kayak]

I keep forgetting what this stands for

I love how you mentioned classes

[exotic root]

for what its worth

[south kayak]

Then a warrior spec

Poor arms

[south kayak]

Thanks

[open prairie]

well you have to

because prot exists

arms is, actually what is arms response to warpaint

[south kayak]

Yeah prot is probably the tankiest tank

[tidal kindle]

Fury after dk lock mage pally aug

[south kayak]

Is it

[open prairie]

ngl i feel like

[south kayak]

Mage?

[open prairie]

rogue has fallen off hard

[south kayak]

Nah idk

[open prairie]

besides outlaw

those guys are….

[south kayak]

Outlaw has innate defense because of versa

• feint

[exotic root]

i mean its hard to rank classes against eachother in terms of defensiveness

[open prairie]

they also have 5% dr to their target

[tidal kindle]

Mage insane if you know how to press buttons

[summer quail]

yeah mage gigatanky, but it's predefensives. like alter time is insanely busted

[exotic root]

lock has alot of hp and then a 45sec cd and a 3min wall

[summer quail]

but mage players are pretty trash

[exotic root]

mage isnt tanky baseline but has 30000 buttons

[south kayak]

I rarely use alter time, I should do it more

I’m new though

[exotic root]

i mean havoc is pretty tanky if its perma rot dmg

[open prairie]

havoc seems kinda whatever

if you cant leech through things

[summer quail]

like why is alter time 45 sec cd, off the gcd btw???

[south kayak]

Havoc was nuts in legion

80% leech

[exotic root]

thats the joke yah

[south kayak]

[open prairie]

rogue feels like wet toilet paper vs ticking damage

lord….

[south kayak]

One eye beam

And you were full hp

[open prairie]

it was actually 100% leech

if you ran soulrending

[south kayak]

[exotic root]

theres also like the case of group cds

and like

mass barrier

xd

[south kayak]

How did blizzard think that was fine

[open prairie]

idk

you’re talking the company that made

wotlk release dk

[summer quail]

dh also had a dodge on blade dance, took 2 expansions to remove that shit

[south kayak]

They immediately gutted the leech after legion

[open prairie]

pretty sure 100% meta leech for dh was only if you didnt play nether

unless im tripping

[south kayak]

Yeah

It was

[open prairie]

but i think it was on same row as nether

[south kayak]

It was

[exotic root]

also like strictly speaking on personal survability dev is supposedly slightly stronger than aug

[open prairie]

wait how

doesnt aug have cheat

[south kayak]

Holy shit

That was bonkers

[south kayak]

[open prairie]

people didnt notice that in legion

somehow

[exotic root]

this one doesnt show on wowhead for some reason

aug has cheat, dev has more passive dr and hp

[dull wolf]

Hello, does annyone know iif I can stop the wrest pull on the plaatform with intervene?

[summer quail]

yeah people really took notice of it in bfa. especially last boss toldagor

[dull wolf]

iif I'm midair will it stop my momentum?

[exotic root]

its toss up idk alot of evokers like to say dev is tankier

[south kayak]

Deva is in a bad place, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a deva evoker in a while

[open prairie]

either that or pvpers

[exotic root]

well

[open prairie]

because you could dodge kidneyshot from behind with it

[exotic root]

scalecommander is ass for m+

and flameshaper is not a hero talent

[south kayak]

Their aoe sucks

[exotic root]

and they have 0 burst aoe

[south kayak]

Idk how

[open prairie]

oh yeah thats also a thing

[south kayak]

They used to have insane aoe burst

[exotic root]

its because dragonrage isnt a cd @south kayak

[open prairie]

dh only class that can dodge from behind

[south kayak]

Idk what happened

[open prairie]

for some reason

[exotic root]

dragonrage's strength is directly tied to their resource generation and mastery strength

[gilded pawn]

Technically it doesn’t matter until it matters lol

It’s like dbts parry

Doesn’t matter until it does

[open prairie]

you also didnt blade dance for dps

[exotic root]

atm, mastery is really dogshit and they have alot of resource over flow

[open prairie]

until antorus tier set

@tidal kindle og chaos cleave goat

[south kayak]

Dbts was 3m in legion

[exotic root]

so they literally dont have a burst cd (dragonrage is usually referred to as mass pyre by dev players)

[south kayak]

Wasn’t mastery really good in df

[exotic root]

ye

caught like 4 nerfs

[south kayak]

[exotic root]

it was kinda degen and annoying when mastery was good

cus its more dmg to high hp targets

meaning

[tidal kindle]

It was funny watching people think it was meme

[exotic root]

you rip threat

[south kayak]

Yeah that needs to be fixed

[exotic root]

👍

[tidal kindle]

For a month

[exotic root]

dev needs a partial to total rework tbf

as does aug

[tidal kindle]

Then kewpster and kib started playing it

[south kayak]

Didn’t chaos cleave hit your target

??

Am I wrong

[exotic root]

chaos cleave my beloved

[south kayak]

Why did you stop playing dh garms

[exotic root]

have u seen tww iteration of dh

[south kayak]

Well he hasn’t played dh since legion lol

[exotic root]

ah

[south kayak]

Nothing to do with this iteration

[open prairie]

then everyone played it

he stopped playing dh pretty sure

because tomb arms

went brrr

[south kayak]

To be fair dh in bfa was bad

Shitty baseline damage

[exotic root]

hdh only really became a class mid sl

[south kayak]

Because their weapons passives

Went away

[open prairie]

ahh yes early sl

the vdh kite meta

[south kayak]

Stop

[exotic root]

🚪

[south kayak]

Why did you remind me

[exotic root]

darkest times

[south kayak]

What’s the best m+ dungeon and why is it atal dazar

[exotic root]

atal dazar

[tidal kindle]

Dblade Momentum wasnt played anymore, you played dbite + demonic eye beam build

[exotic root]

idk atal dazar is fun to tank

[tidal kindle]

Arms w/ AA rage and charge weave was next closes thing

[exotic root]

i can either go straight to 1st boss, go to priest first, or troll the group and go right

[south kayak]

I see

[exotic root]

lowkey playing havoc in that dungeon sucked giga ass

[south kayak]

Thoughts on eye beam spam in legion

[exotic root]

having to dash rotationally meets having to hard stack tank or get dashed on by 1 shot mob

fun stuff really

[summer quail]

only satisfying dh spell, so i liked it

[tidal kindle]

Maw of souls banger before they patched ir

[sullen cloak]

hey guys, what trinket combination would you use for Mythic + and for Raiding out of:

639 Mark of Khardros
639 Ara Kara Sacbrood
626 Trecherous Transmitter

[south kayak]

They actually buffed eye beam by about 100% in TWW beta

[exotic root]

it needed it bad

[open prairie]

oddly enough this was written by an arms otp

[south kayak]

I know

[exotic root]

there was perma talk about insta cancelling eye beam during df

[south kayak]

Was just funny

[eager thorn]

Are people still running thane for mythic court?

[exotic root]

lmfao

[open prairie]

i feel most pug tanks go right

in atal

[exotic root]

ye and they troll

[open prairie]

dino right left

[warm crag]

ye its fine

[open prairie]

was typical pug tanks route

[warm crag]

v easy

[exotic root]

miss me with those mobs

[eager thorn]

Nice ty

[exotic root]

i usually did dino first or left first

[open prairie]

probably partly because pugs cant kick the casts

[exotic root]

i actually dont remember what made me decided to go left first

[open prairie]

on left mobs

[south kayak]

I noticed arms is topping overall in firelands in cata classic rn

[exotic root]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-hunter-illidan-illidan-stormrage-stormrage-illidari-gif-17672049952801505582

me casting double sigil of silence

[south kayak]

That was so stupid

Deserved nerf

[open prairie]

ngl it was a weird time when dbite was meta