fury

[lost saffron]

we complete, but they are still demonic

800k dps fire mage

[unreal onyx]

I don’t even go purely by io, I also check amount of timed runs

[lost saffron]

Yeh but there is so many people signing up

You cant check everyone

[undone flower]

What is his ilvl lol

[unreal onyx]

200timed 10s at 2700 > 20 timed 11s at 2800

[lost saffron]

631

[undone flower]

Wow

[clever path]

There’s so many people signing up because there’s way less keys being done compared to previous xpacs

[lost saffron]

Yes because there is no intermediate level

You get thrown right into pretty hard keys

in comparison

[undone flower]

Because everyone at 1 m it’s like fine, it’s what we did in my first 10 but with 613 ilvl lel

[unreal onyx]

It’s funny to see the difference of people signing up for a weekly 10 DB vs weekly 10 CoT

[clever path]

Yeah the system is just not well put together and rewards aren’t good enough to warrant the difficulty

Like doing an 8 doesn’t even give you gear good enough to be doing the 8 you just did

Makes no sense

[lost saffron]

People who do like 6-7s now

Are

50% people who did like 15s-16s last expac

and 50% people who did like 5s last expac

who struggle completely

because the people cant carry them

[undone flower]

What is the ilvl to do an 8? Maybe I’m too disconnected

[lost saffron]

To be consistently accepted?

probably 630 or so at this point lol

[clever path]

Nah not even

[lost saffron]

Because most people who do 8s just farm crests on alts

[clever path]

The issue is what does a timed 8 get you at the end of the dungeon?

[lost saffron]

You just farm them to get specific trinkets

[unreal onyx]

8 is 1/6 hero track

But not max vault

[undone flower]

Oh accepted you need to be 630 yes, but to actually do the 8, 610-619 (the ilvl dropping) makes you overgear

Like IRL you need to be heavy overqualified to be accepted by a stranger

[clever path]

It really doesn’t, because then you have to upgrade, and upgrades are expensive if you don’t have an already geared toon. And that doesn’t even begin to talk about how one piece of hero gear doesn’t make you suddenly geared enough

[lost saffron]

tbh if I was to gear a completely new char nowadays

[clever path]

The issue is to get there takes too long, too many runs. Too many things left up to chance. Most players don’t bother

[lost saffron]

without any like help from outside

I would literally only play my own key

nothing else

[unreal onyx]

If you wanna farm gear and not specific items raid is propably a better way if you take time/effort/reward into consideration

[lost saffron]

Well raid you are locked out on

m+ you can spam

[undone flower]

Does it count playing your alt the first day when main Rio doesn’t show up ?

[unreal onyx]

I‘d say so

[lost saffron]

idk I gear all my alts with boosts

[unreal onyx]

Unless you‘re one of those guys that specifically writes „3k main“ in the application note

[clever path]

I just feel like the time commitment for mplus to the average player isn’t worth it. Especially with the failure rate these days

[lost saffron]

Unless you are tanking and can carry the key on your own

which only works upto a point

as tank you can still carry 10s on your own

[undone flower]

The only time I lied is when I pugged the curve when he asked p3 exp, I just told « yes ofc »

[unreal onyx]

If a 590 heal is applying to my key when he has a 3.2k heal main, that doesnt make him a god with low gear in a different class

[undone flower]

I still take him first until above 6s keys

[clever path]

Yeah never understood people acting like their high io on and unrelated toon makes them higher priority? Like yeah skill matters but numbers matter just as much

[lost saffron]

If only high .io would mean high skill

xddd

[unreal onyx]

Surely if I was a 3.2k fury that makes me a equally as good, 40 ilvl lower, holy paladin

[undone flower]

Not really, high rio (relevant high) means he knows the dungeon basically, that’s why I take them usually

[lost saffron]

Relevant high

is like

3400

when you get close to highest key level possible

[clever path]

Knowing a dungeon doesn’t mean much if you don’t have enough gear to support your knowledge

[unreal onyx]

You can see dungeon experience on amount of timed runs too imo

[lost saffron]

Like we are doing 17s in the easier dungeons

and I dont know anything about my class

nor do I know the dungeons

anything below the very highest key levels you can just outdamage

[undone flower]

Knowing the dungeon will make you do +2 to +10 ( not complete inting ilvl ofc)

[unreal onyx]

Just buy a 17 and boom you have all the experience of every dungeon

[clever path]

Knowing a dungeon won’t stop it from killing because you’re 30 ilvls too low to deal with ambient damage. Just saying there are limits

[lost saffron]

There is no dungeon where the ambient damage in a +10 is high enough

for you to die at 590

If you play very well

that is

[undone flower]

Well at 605 you are only 10-15 lower ilvl of 10s 🤷‍♂️

[unreal onyx]

I did a 10 CoT with a 576 disc priest

And I used every defensive on cd

Still died quite a few times

[lost saffron]

1. you probably did not use everything 100% correctly

2. there is quite the difference between 590 and 576

[warm crag]

elitist toph once again

[clever path]

People who deny that gear matters and is sometimes make or break just make no sense to me.

[lost saffron]

How is that elitist

[clever path]

The games designed to be that way

[lost saffron]

I am not saying I would have done better

I am saying that if you are 590

you dont die if you play 100% correctly

[undone flower]

Under 595 is what I consider inting ilvl

[lost saffron]

in a +10

[unreal onyx]

Ofc, I am basically a casual at this point

[smoky vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1299776378438422528/1305729760432885871/image.png?ex=674e751a&is=674d239a&hm=d6d181dbc444498f100e0377678e9fcd348ca4b901a246fa686d583c1f0d0e89&

563 rogue

never died

[unreal onyx]

Still died a decent amount of times bc I just ticked down

[smoky vale]

just get better

[trim hound]

Was he stealthed the entire dungeon

[smoky vale]

no

[lost saffron]

Also there is a bit of a difference between healing at 576 and just playing a dps

[unreal onyx]

Without any external heals too?

[lost saffron]

because as dps you can allow yourself to get carried

by doing kicks etc.

basically you play the mechanics so others dont have to

[clever path]

Yeah guys this rogue never died but literally did dagger throw levels of damage kek

[lost saffron]

and you dont have to press every button 100% correct to not die

on a class that is inherintly not that easy

[unreal onyx]

As a dps I agree you can get away with a lot more

[lost saffron]

( disc priest)

[undone flower]

No he paid gio in natural service

[unreal onyx]

tank/heal ivl matters more

[warm crag]

i am not serious my king

[lost saffron]

If you go into dungeons at 590

you should always DPS

imo

[warm crag]

tank can be fine

[lost saffron]

If the tank is doctorio

[unreal onyx]

I also did a 10AK with a 586 prot pally and man did I have to use meld often

[undone flower]

Im too disconnected lol, my friend tanked a 10 at 595 if I remember

[warm crag]

So true!!!

[smoky vale]

wrong

[undone flower]

You don’t’ take those payment forms ?

[unreal onyx]

Not dying isnt the problem for most tanks I encountered in my pugs

Keeping aggro on all mobs is

Even with waiting before bursting

[undone flower]

Well I was on my warrior 630 at the time, so I knew to not send right away

But I see the point

[unreal onyx]

Ppal usually don’t have too many issues

Bdks from my pugs were pretty bad at keeping aggro compared to other tanks

[undone flower]

But Grim was the dungeon he actually struggled

3-4 Time we did it, 3-4 times it became a weekly no leaver

With jdot in one btw

[lost saffron]

Just play dk

[clever path]

I think it’s funny that most older dungeons tend to be the worst ones. Not always. Train dungeon was easy

[lost saffron]

then you can just blast straight away

[unreal onyx]

Older dungeons are more often overtuned than new ones

Especially dungeos that were initially not designed to be played in a m+ setting

[lost saffron]

tbh I think grim batol is a pretty decent dungeon

only flaw is that it is rather linear

[clever path]

Yeah I’m surprised they keep pulling dungeons from that far back and not just pull from legion forward. Seeing as they were all designed for it

[undone flower]

I think every dungeons who was not designed with m+ had bad tuning issues in m+

[lost saffron]

and you dont have tooo much variance in pulls

[unreal onyx]

I still dread karazan

[lost saffron]

Dawnbreaker is tbh a great dungeon for pushing

[undone flower]

Train dungeon was horrible until they doggpiled nerf it

[lost saffron]

it is really good variance

you can do so many things

BUT

the ship being so bugged

destroys it all

[smoky vale]

idk he was burst 2m on pcks with cds

0 gear

why cant you

[unreal onyx]

Dawnbreaker is good for potential variance in pulls (although you basically run the same route every key)

[lost saffron]

But the route changes

the higher you go

[unreal onyx]

Ara kara is the illusion of choice, you can basically only make 2 desicions that don’t really matter

I am definetly not looking forward to some S2 dungeons

[undone flower]

I just hope Motherlode is fine enough to be my vault filling key if the pool is so awful I don’t want to push (like this season)

[clever path]

I’m just wondering when we will get maw of souls again. That dungeon was so fast

[unreal onyx]

I can already tell that I will hate priory of flame

Or whatever it’s called

[trim hound]

Am I remembering incorrectly or are this seasons dungeons a lot easier / better tuned than S1 Dragonflight. I remembers keys getting bricked A LOT in DF and it's been pretty smooth progression now. (Talking about keys up to 10 (old 20)

[clever path]

the season in DF that had huge tuning issues was s4 start iirc, literally having certain mobs one shot you with autos because they were doing 10x the damage they were supposed to be.

[unreal onyx]

Classic start of season tomfoolery by the indie company

[clever path]

Like the hunters in the gnoll place doing the unstoppable multi hit aimed shot thing that would do 90 percent of your health per tick that you couldn’t stun nor interrupt

[undone flower]

This season it was a HUGE LOT easier to do 10s first week than 20 in DF first week

[warm crag]

also had hc gear to open with or

[undone flower]

We had 2 weeks of m0 if I remember

[warm crag]

i dont think tuning wise it was much easier than df week 1 you were still kinda hoping for timable dungeons and the rest just wasnt doable

[trim hound]

I just remember people getting absolutely destroyed by Tree boss in Algathar Academy, the fire boss with the boulders in Ruby life pools, etc

[warm crag]

ok m0 wasnt hc gear tho

[clever path]

Yeah it is kind of hard to compare seasons with gear disparity between some of them.

[warm crag]

best you had were ilvl farmers from rares and that weird scaling world ilvl stuff

[undone flower]

But like almost no one had hc gear, i started the m+ season at 610 ilvl

[clever path]

It’s easy to say a season was easy when you have BIS gear from the season before going into it. But season 1 is usually the roughest feeling

[warm crag]

that is hc gear????????????

[undone flower]

It’s lower

Isn’t it ?

[warm crag]

610 is lowest hc track

[undone flower]

And it’s only 4 ilvl over max upgraded m0 gear

[warm crag]

okay

so what you're telling me is that you had hc level gear in the first m+ week as opposed to being significantly lower than normal ilvl back in week 1 df

[undone flower]

I Will look what ilvl I got in DF first key

[river reef]

The rookery is like so linear its crazy

[lost saffron]

If I have to run

darkflame cleft

I will quit that class

[trim hound]

Make a dungeon about flying mounts, no flying allowed. Thx Blizz

[clever path]

Cleft is gonna suck so bad

[warm crag]

darkfrlame cleft bis trinket for every class don't you know???

[lost saffron]

I quit

[river reef]

yeah cleft is crazy wild in the first week

[clever path]

Like there’s no way cleft was designed to be mplus friendly it’s gonna kill so many pugs lol

[undone flower]

I had 380 in the first key I did

[river reef]

the motherlode will also break people

[warm crag]

that means nothing to me

[clever path]

Will it? I remember the mother lode not being that bad. But I did play a lot less in bfa

[undone flower]

It was a meh dungeon because of bosses and some cringe trash mechs

[latent hedge]

ML is gonna be a little bit different compared to BFA with the CC changes they did

[undone flower]

But evrything before the first boss was kinda cool

[clever path]

Oh yeah I do remember the trash being weird

[warm crag]

idk what you're trying to achieve here i don't think its an unreasonable take that you will enter m+ at higher ilvl if you had access to a full hc reclear and ~high normal ilvl items from m0 as opposed to literally nothing in week 1 df

[river reef]

I remember motherlode having lots of bad caster mobs

but my memory is bad

could have been some other bfa dungeon im remembering

[golden hare]

me when an enemy mob just kill a random dps because they took one step too close :3

[river reef]

[golden hare]

[clever path]

I mean that happens now lol

But mostly because blizzard loves putting brown swirls on brown floors covered in brown rocks

[golden hare]

but they don't attack closest target...

[undone flower]

Well I don’t see the difference being ilvl, like you had something to equip each key on the way to 20 🤷‍♂️, it’s just this season you just didn’t geared up and were in a 10 second day

[trim hound]

me running into the ass of the cleaving guys in Necrotic Wake and getting dropped. Doesn't happen often but when it does it sure feels stupid lmao

[river reef]

When its soak-orb week in necrotic wake and youre on the bridge with the two cleaver mobs and see 20 orbs flying so you debate if you risk it and getting cleaved or letting them run all into the mobs because the tank cant be fucked to soak them

[warm crag]

you don't get nearly as much gear pushing a key to 20 vs a full hc reclear and however many m0s you wanted to bother with

and delves giving hc level gear aswell

ppl started also doing 20s consistently at the end of week 1 of df after hc reclear and a tiny bit of gear farming has occured

[undone flower]

Maybe it’s just crests being a thing that trivialized this first season compared to DF

[clever path]

Yeah since there was no upgrade system then gear was more static

Gear upgrades do make content feel smoother as you go

[undone flower]

Because it’s not delves or 1 hc raid 7/8 bosses clear that gave me 610 ilvl, I did my 14-15 key delves I didn’t loot in every slot a 603 items

It’s the 10000 free crest cap they gave us

I Will maintain my posture sorry a +2 is not a +12 back then, a +5 is not a +15, 10 ilvl difference is not the reason

[heavy dock]

I mean am i wrong? M+ has a lot of personal responsibility going on. Mythic raiding just needs to be organized by raidlead and you follow the script. Ive seen the mythic ansurek kills, the weakaura legit tells you when to press what like lol. Only hard part is finding a good guild and having time for scheduled raiding

[manic kettle]

Is Slayer or Mountain Thane prefered for outdoor world content?

[warm crag]

whatever you prefer

[manic kettle]

Alrighty, since i only do that and low keys I wasent sure what would be better (probably dont matter at my skill level then)

[warm crag]

ya just pick whichever makes u feel cooler

[thick fossil]

I started this season only playing M+, cause that's what my schedule vibes with. Now that I'm at the point where it's hours to get in a group, Raiding is looking easier to do.

[heavy dock]

Raiding is always easier just more time consuming

A lot more

[oblique trail]

This is very much a take from someone who is either extremely unaware, or just hasn't raided any high end content before

[sour frigate]

50/50

[oblique trail]

"Just follow the WA" is such a self report take

[sour frigate]

if u have a hardcore guild that do splits etc it might be

[heavy dock]

I did mythic raid in legion and i cant say it was hard more than it was extremely time consuming

[oblique trail]

Even post nerf, you still need to be actually good at the game, including the absolute vast majority of the rest of your guild, to be able to kill Mythic Ansurek

[oblique trail]

This is also 6 years ago chief 👍

[thick fossil]

Ugh, I hate splits. Usually means I get jack all for gear drops and have to hope the vault gives me something.

[trim hound]

The bosses are easy if you are geared and everyone does the mechanics perfectly :^)

More news at 11!

[heavy dock]

Sure but im talking on a personal level

[oblique trail]

Right, but your personal level is based on what the game was like 6 years ago

[heavy dock]

Ofc its hard to orchestrate a group of 20 people to plsy perfectly

[thick fossil]

A lot has changed in 6 years.

[trim hound]

I mean M+ is infinitely scaling so eventually it will technically be harder than any Mythic raid so the argument is kinda pointless

[oblique trail]

I barely killed Varimathras back in Antorus because I wasn't as good then as I am now, so I can't really speak to how all the 11 bosses were on Mythic

[thick fossil]

We went from Angramon to Painsmith to Ovinax.

[river reef]

dont lie banezio you are a born blaster

[heavy dock]

The hard part part ib mythic raiding is having everyone do their part perfectly

[oblique trail]

But from Uldir till now, having played from barely making CE, to getting CE now very early compared to the rest, the raids are definitely more difficult throughout the years, with some very notorious ones as well, such as Sepulcher

[river reef]

We have today first night of ovinax torture

[oblique trail]

Right, so it's a lot of personal responsibility then, no?

[thick fossil]

Fatescribe was one of the worst for that.

[oblique trail]

Instead of it being 5 people you need at the very least the majority of people to play very well to kill bosses

[trim hound]

Good luck, soldier 🫡

[oblique trail]

You can sometimes make do with 1 or 2 people dying, but it's not ideal

[heavy dock]

Sure but im talking from the perspective of one good player

He can do everything right all he wants if he has people who fail every wipe

Ive been there

[oblique trail]

And so can you in M+ 👍

Also I realise you said that one good M+ player can also do well in Raid

But I can very much tell you from a lot of personal experience, this is not the case at all

A lot of higher end r.io players can be absolute trash in raid

[radiant plank]

m+ mouse vs mythic raid

(they cant pass 1st boss

[heavy dock]

Yeah but in m+ you have to use a lot more of your class and racials than in a raid

[thick fossil]

Those that do well in M+ can usually do well in raid. Vice versa is sometimes questionable. Lots of ppl that just raid and log out.

[heavy dock]

Yeah

[warm crag]

you are very wrong

[oblique trail]

I'd much rather trust someone who's 8/8M week 8, than someone who's 3k r.io but barely touched Mythic

[sour frigate]

first few pulls maybe but its not hard to figure things out

[oblique trail]

You are unaware

[heavy dock]

True

[oblique trail]

Very unaware

[radiant plank]

Theres a reason why RWF players dominated MDI and TGP

and not MDI and TGP players dominating rwf

[sour frigate]

wae

[radiant plank]

Most of the newer teams in MDI and TGP who are doing good are made out of rwf players

[oblique trail]

I'd consider myself someone who's well above average in terms of skill, at least by raiding standards, but rarely will you meet someone who sees a mechanic just a few times and figures out how to play it close to optimally

And some fights, no matter how good you are generally, will just be awful for you

[heavy dock]

Yea idk what ur trying to argue but raid mechanics are not hard on a per person basis. The hard part is having your average wow player understand that mechanic

[sour frigate]

Yes u need to play em few times

[thick fossil]

Oh I wasn't talking about ppl that just do weekly 8x 10 key. I was talking ppl pushing 13+
Usually they have personal awareness and accountability to exist in raid environments.

[oblique trail]

Go progress Silken Court then we'll see what you think about the "play em few times" 👍

[warm crag]

yes you are very wrong about thinking key pushing skill transfers into raid

[heavy dock]

Ive seen vids of silken court and i understood what’s happening so idk

[oblique trail]

Watching a fight is completely different to actually executing it yourself

[heavy dock]

Sure

[trim hound]

Dungeon boss mechanics are always way simpler than Mythic Raid Mechanics aswell.

[heavy dock]

But what i mean is

It wouldnt take long for me to figure it out

Esp with the weakauras that exist today right

[oblique trail]

I understand all the mechanics of Silken Court, I had the displeasure of progressing it early on as well, but that doesn't mean that some mechanics aren't just absolute torture to execute then and now

[thick fossil]

If you think that, that's fine. I think you're underestimating them. Someone 3100-3400 are most likely decent in raid as well.

[undone flower]

Because you talk about personal responsibility, like if not everyone needs to play almost perfect, it feels weird

[heavy dock]

I remember the neltharion weakura that just made the fight for you lol

[radiant plank]

"made the fight for you"

[warm crag]

please just take it from someone that has raided and is raiding with them

[radiant plank]

lol

[heavy dock]

Well it auto assigned where everyone should position no?

[radiant plank]

After you had to press a macro, then you had to actually get there etc in a short time

as melee it was way easier

but for range it really did not play the mechanic for you

[thick fossil]

And I've raided with them as well. What's your point?

[warm crag]

that i've seen some of the most famous m+ mains play like absolute garbage in raid lmao

[oblique trail]

Some fights sure, you can bring up the argument of "WAs almost play the fight for you", like to an extent on Ovinax since one of the two hardest parts of that fight is just breaking eggs properly, and staying alive

[radiant plank]

drjay incident

[oblique trail]

doktor

Would argue probably the worst mechanic that you understand the first time you see it, but also get good at playing around, is Web Blades pre-nerf on Ansurek

At least this raid for me personally

[undone flower]

I still didn’t see those wet blades yet

[oblique trail]

It's easy to just look at it from a video, and the first pull you do of the fight, to see what happens, but actively playing around that mechanic and living it every time throughout P1 and P3, takes many pulls to get to that point

[clever belfry]

higher odds yes
There's still a lot of fucking idiots

[oblique trail]

Would argue probably those who start prog now, or early in, Web Blades are prob one of the highest death counts

[warm crag]

i dont think its possible to die to hc web blades

[oblique trail]

And the reason you call wipe

[oblique trail]

I will rescue you into an endless onslaught of web blades and watch you perish alongside me

I'm talking about Mythic you cretin

[warm crag]

mythic web blades are hc web blades you cretin

you have embarassed yourself yet again

[oblique trail]

get timed out

[warm crag]

goodbye

[undone flower]

Yes and ovinax eggs break is an nm mechanic, it must be easy

[willow cradle]

Yeah, I have people like that in my guild, although it's a mixed bag really.

[mossy fox]

i am living proof

[warm crag]

not who i was thinking of but if you wish to self report

[mossy fox]

were u with us when we had a certain rsham in cn spongie

or did you leave before that

[warm crag]

i was there in cn but idk who ur on abt

[mossy fox]

hmm

if you dont remember his performance on hungering destroyer then nvm idk

[thick fossil]

CN was the last time I raided seriously.

Hard to believe I kinda miss it.

[mossy fox]

SL arms was actually better than TWW arms

not a high bar i suppose

[radiant plank]

baseg

[summer quail]

What version of arms isn't? WoD?

[mossy fox]

sounds about right

[radiant plank]

idk end of wod arms

lookd fun

[chrome plover]

im enjoying arms for the first time ever (attempted to enjoy it ever patch since nyalotha)

what does this say about me

[mossy fox]

you're weird

[chrome plover]

actually i also attempted to enjoy it in uldir too

[south kayak]

Uldir arms was awful

[chrome plover]

but i enjoy it more than fury atm

[mossy fox]

uldir arms was especially bad because that was the first post-legion patch

my beloved arms reworked into shit

[radiant plank]

hasnt recovered from that rework

only gone worse

somehow?

[chrome plover]

my dogshit world 2k raid leader threatened to bench me if i didnt play arms on uldir prog (i was top of the meters as fury)

so i quit the game entirely until end of nyalotha

🙂

[thick fossil]

Lol, yeah, that's such a low bar I could crawl over it.

[clever belfry]

Hmm im not sure this is true for nathria arms honestly

[mossy fox]

i suppose i never played condemn in s1

[thick fossil]

Let's hope Arms Ret gets another rework.

[clever belfry]

Theyre comparatively dogshit

condemn arms flat curve 0 dps

[mossy fox]

i just played kyrian or fae the whole time

[clever belfry]

👑

i played hunter

[warm crag]

just a tuning problem or

[clever belfry]

👍

[thick fossil]

Fae is the way. Always was always will be.

[clever belfry]

I mean pressing condemn for 55% of the fight

[chrome plover]

venthyr fury nathria

[clever belfry]

also sucked balls

[warm crag]

wouldve been fun against sire if we actually did damage the entire fight

[clever belfry]

I want to FEEL pressing executr

not it being my main button for half the fucking fight

[warm crag]

ya idk they keep inventing new ways to make execute even worse as a button to press

[mossy fox]

nah man the best we'll get is current fury execute button

[clever belfry]

We can add one more bad execute mechanic

NONO

[thick fossil]

Condemn was OK on prog, after that it fell off a cliff.

[clever belfry]

NO WE CANT

[mossy fox]

it's funny seeing execute at like 0.3% of my overall in keys

[clever belfry]

solders another mechanic onto execute

[warm crag]

fury execute (bloodbath)

very good joke

[clever belfry]

EXPLODES

[thick fossil]

You mean two points in VC?

[warm crag]

man limps out of explosion with the next execute worsening mechanic

[unreal onyx]

DF S1 tierset comeback

[thick fossil]

I enjoy 2pts VC in Mists. Them juicy hits on Ingra are fun.

[mossy fox]

onslaught confuses me too it's so bad

[south kayak]

how much damage % is on igra

during that

[clever belfry]

Onslaught NEEDS to fuck like CB

[mossy fox]

onslaught was forgotten just like fatality during tuning passes

[south kayak]

Onslaught needs to do more than double the amount of CB

[mossy fox]

buff everything else and forget those 2 i guess

[south kayak]

don't @ me

[thick fossil]

I think they ... yeah, was about to mention they just forgot it existed.

Most of our capstones are sadly junk.

[south kayak]

Unfortunate

[radiant plank]

Warrior was forgotten

[south kayak]

[smoky vale]

no

they didnt forget to kill us first

[thick fossil]

Yeah they certainly were not shy about taking away our toys. Only to give some back in a broken state.

[inner shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-are-getting-paid-gif-20686662

Yall are pressing execute?

[thick fossil]

True, it's like last resort button. At least ita better than slam.

[inner zinc]

Isnt execute better than raging blow sub 20%?

Im playing AM btw**

[inner shadow]

u use it for rage spending

and juggernaut if u got it

[inner shadow]

i never used slam

whole expansion

why is raider.io not updating.. i did update addon/ website

dafok

[chrome plover]

pretty sure it's below raging blow

you press it when you have mfe stacks

and if MT you press it after you run out of raging blows to press

[inner zinc]

Oh wasn't aware he was slayer mb

[chrome plover]

either way it's worse than raging blow

just mfe makes it worth pressing above raging blow as slayer

[thick fossil]

Tldr: everything is better than slam.

[chrome plover]

true

[last sparrow]

but....it generates rage?

arms player detected

[thick fossil]

Lol

[inner zinc]

Just checked but if you do play AM thane, execute is better than raging blow. But i dont think many people play AM thane

[thick fossil]

All the Sims I've done have AM well below RA.

[inner zinc]

Yeah, its worst but i like the playstyle way more

[thick fossil]

It's similar to what we had in Shadowlands if I remember correctly.

[covert blaze]

it's not tho

right

[chrome plover]

i think it's even below thunderclap on apl :kekw

[covert blaze]

that makes more sense to me

[chrome plover]

💀

[polar trail]

Stupid general question, but: if all slots are 639, gilded crest upgrades on alts will only cost 10 crests right?
Does that also count when my warrior has all slots 639 except rings, but one of my alts has 2x 639 rings?

[fickle bluff]

no

[oblique trail]

It has to be 639 in all slots on one character

[fickle bluff]

you need the achievement

[thick fossil]

who takes onslaught?

[polar trail]

Oh well, then I’ll wait for 2 rings I guess! Thanks!

[modest condor]

doesnt matter, we need to make the apl all-inclusive

[chrome plover]

no one, but if they do, a sim will cast it

if it wasnt in there people wouldnt be able to sim onslaught at all

unless they did a custom apl

for it

[modest condor]

it's not as high prio to make it perfect, but it needs to be in there to make sure that if someone wants to play it it still gets simmed

[thick fossil]

Fair fair.

[chrome plover]

only the ones with a letter in the left column were actually cast in that sim

and i guess a non-0 number in the 2nd column

[gilded pawn]

DEI APL

[thick fossil]

So that was a slayer apl

[gilded pawn]

Even the apl is woke

[fickle bluff]

there was a seperate line for rb without slaughtering strikes at a point

[chrome plover]

no it was MT AM

because the guy who was asking about execute prio was asking about that

[river reef]

MT AM is cursed. I like slayer burst much more

[modest condor]

thunderclap isnt in the slayer apl

[radiant plank]

or is it

[fickle bluff]

its not

[modest condor]

your face

[fickle bluff]

[chrome plover]

the reason thunderclap wasnt cast was because thunderclap >3 targets was cast instead and it's above it in the priority (aoe sim)

[radiant plank]

[fickle bluff]

you added it yourself

[chrome plover]

[radiant plank]

I would never

[river reef]

[undone flower]

If thunderclap is not in slayer APL what happens if I sim slayer with thunderclap

[fickle bluff]

it doesnt press it

[undone flower]

Big sad

[thick fossil]

Didn't notice thunderclap on there twice.

[undone flower]

I also forgot slam is a filler, still will not keybind it tho

[warm crag]

just get a macro that presses tc/ww/slam based on ur talents

[undone flower]

That’s a good idea

If I have spear it use slam

[covert blaze]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap 
/cast [known:12950] Whirlwind
/cast Slam```

[warm crag]

fucked up macro

[covert blaze]

erm

[undone flower]

But I would still need a separate whirlwind button, for when I go out of melee but still in ww range no ?

[fickle bluff]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707]thunder clap;[known:280392]Whirlwind;slam

[covert blaze]

heroic throw at that point, no?

[modest condor]

im using /cast [known:436707]thunder clap;Whirlwind because heck slam

[undone flower]

I Will not keybind heroic throw sorry

[fickle bluff]

skull

[covert blaze]

seems like you don't like key binding stuff

(this spec has like 5 buttons)

[radiant plank]

Average fury player

bet he has reck rava ava macro

[undone flower]

Im a simple man

[fickle bluff]

ding ding ding we have a winner

[undone flower]

I have yep

[radiant plank]

🎦

[covert blaze]

do you click your potion?

[undone flower]

Health pot ?

[radiant plank]

he doesnt see the

F keybind

[undone flower]

My combat pot i don’t press it, it’s just to know which one it consumes in my every cd macro

To spare r3s I use the rat macro

[radiant plank]

im surpised you dont have charge impending victory macro

[fickle bluff]

thats too advanced past monkey brain "put all cds together"

[mossy fox]

i click my augment rune

[undone flower]

Well too advanced, I’m a main prot who just dps in raid

[covert blaze]

I'm on my phone rip

[radiant plank]

part of ready check routine

[undone flower]

Still managed to do 97 in last reclear it was crazy, didn’t thought I had a chance against people doing full eggs in last phase

My silken court keybinds btw ( there is no OF anymore)

[warm crag]

you are solo warrior with no other classes that deal damage

if you arent 99 parsing you are afk

(hyperbole 97 parse is very good well done)

[undone flower]

No it’s just every week it was kinda hard to do more because everyone else pad, I was first dps of raid but blue

[radiant plank]

blue isnt 97

🤨

[warm crag]

just watched a hand develop into a face

[undone flower]

When we killed it and saw I was at 3m1 I thought it was going to be a blue parse again

[warm crag]

idk i have a 90 but i also have a cowarrior and a blaster fdk i dont think i will get a parse above that

[chrome plover]

i dont use it

dragonflight infinite augment rune bound to battle shout

[undone flower]

I think I managed to do that simply because I didn’t do a single egg break the whole fight

[gloomy zenith]

What is AM mountain thane?

And why fury should use slam?

[warm crag]

mountain thane playing the anger management talent
slam is your filler in ST talents

[gloomy zenith]

Ahh since when we play anger management? In st or m+

[chrome plover]

I dont think we do

unless you want to

[undone flower]

Since when you choose to play AM thane I guess

[warm crag]

you play AM as slayer on ovinax if your comp doesnt have a million fdks or fury warriors otherwise you p much just play RA everywhere else

[coarse nest]

All the pad gets yoinked in my brood rekills too, we have 2nd war and a havoc now..

[chrome plover]

i didnt feel like havoc did that much

[warm crag]

it is your pad that was reclaimed

[chrome plover]

but maybe ours was specced ST

or something

[warm crag]

it was never yours to begin with

[gloomy zenith]

I thought slayer has more dmg in dt and birst and is better in pure st scenarios? So in raid i play slayer in +10 keys i play mt right?

[radiant plank]

play whhat u want bud

[narrow narwhal]

Play what you want in 10s

[coarse nest]

Fdk pumper on my team too

[chrome plover]

i play colossus arms in 10

[warm crag]

explode

[coarse nest]

Arms owns

[radiant plank]

kaput

[coarse nest]

[radiant plank]

[gloomy zenith]

Slay slay smash then😂

[radiant plank]

👍

[coarse nest]

Does novix still play slayer in his keys?

[warm crag]

there was a sighting earlier today

[undone flower]

That’s the team you want to pad

[gloomy zenith]

Do we stack bloodthirst buff up to 75% or use it on 30%?

[coarse nest]

I’m sure you can play whatever you want

[mossy fox]

i used to have that macrod too but i occasionally use the big aug rune

[warm crag]

you mean bloodcraze?

[gloomy zenith]

Yes

From setpieces

[warm crag]

that's not bloodcraze but it doesn't matter much, you can just ignore your tier set or any other crit chance/damage affecting passive

as long as you're following the prio you'll be fine

[restive peak]

Press buttons go brrr no need to stress

[radiant plank]

Yellow has spoken

Conversation over

[warm crag]

yellow (skipper of treach)

[gloomy zenith]

Prio is to hold your enrage up and your meat cleaver and prio execute avoce raging blow and blood thirst yeah?

[chrome plover]

played it on court prog too

[restive peak]

It's in the name bro, it's treachorous to have

[warm crag]

if you did damage sure

[chrome plover]

I did

[restive peak]

Do not prio execute it's dogwater

[warm crag]

more than slayer?

[radiant plank]

dont look krispi log on court

forbidden colo tech

[chrome plover]

I copied his talents

[warm crag]

dont look at spongiewarr first kill parse

[chrome plover]

and had a fun time

[restive peak]

I played thane on court cuz parses are a meme

[chrome plover]

I prefer not to speak

[coarse nest]

2nd kill was best for me

[mossy fox]

i also thaned court

[warm crag]

💪

[gloomy zenith]

In mountain thane and slayer? Only in raid it makes sense to prio it or?

[restive peak]

We're so cute when we match

[restive peak]

Exec in slayer is only prio w 3 stacks

[warm crag]

thane court is so comfy

[radiant plank]

Certified rank23 arms warrior parse tree by fishy

[warm crag]

press at 0:15 and then just on cd

[restive peak]

Ye thane court is just brain off afk

[gloomy zenith]

Thx

[coarse nest]

I started court prog as thane

[undone flower]

Im a scam, I died 4 out of 6 kills

[coarse nest]

It’s alright I don’t really care for thane with OF though

Not my favorite

[mossy fox]

big thane silken log this week

[restive peak]

Hyuggggeeeeeee

[warm crag]

dont need it

[undone flower]

Oh yeah I remember we are exact same prog

I play thane but without OF

[chrome plover]

big first ever boss progged as arms

💪

[coarse nest]

I’m a big fan of thane RA no OF

Flows well

[radiant plank]

Cant wait to quit Arms in WoW to play Arms in Poe2

[chrome plover]

im playing fury in poe2

[coarse nest]

Real

[restive peak]

I may try poe2

I skipped poe

[chrome plover]

you should!!!

[warm crag]

i will uhh

[radiant plank]

only 30 dollar

fresh table

[warm crag]

ignite DD

[restive peak]

I think it's time for a season or 2 WoW break tbh

[radiant plank]

everyone has 0 knowledge

[chrome plover]

[radiant plank]

so its everyone starting at same point

[undone flower]

I prefer thane overall, just because it has thunderclap

[radiant plank]

I hav ebeen converted

[warm crag]

maybe a bit of coc dd

[chrome plover]

mayhaps

[modest condor]

ive heard poe2 will be more accessible for people that dont want to read a dissertation

[restive peak]

Ooooof, we may have to do this

I hate reading

[warm crag]

this is Wrong

[summer quail]

you should

[radiant plank]

30 dollar is very cheap price too

[modest condor]

rip

[radiant plank]

for the EA

[chrome plover]

sadly wrong but the dissertation is written more in english than a lost ancient script

[restive peak]

Ye 30 is nadda, I spend that on pizza when I should be eating chicken at least once a week

[radiant plank]

ome

[chrome plover]

(you can hover over words in game and it tells you what they do)

[undone flower]

I Will try poe2 if I don’t need to read a dissertation or delete my character when I feel I did a bad choice

[coarse nest]

I hope poe2 doesn’t require path of building

[radiant plank]

also poe2 warrior subclass - warbringer

alo

[warm crag]

you might get a bit further since it'll allow easier respeccing but it still has the issue of changing your build being incredibly complicated and prohibitively expensive

[warm crag]

it will

[summer quail]

idk, there's less bloat. things like crafting are not as advanced as poe 1. i think it's gonna be more accessible than poe1

[chrome plover]

it absolutely will if you wanna do any kind of minmaxing

[coarse nest]

I want to just log in do a cool build and blast without reading a novel about my build

[chrome plover]

for now

[warm crag]

crafting will be more precise and more tedious than poe 1 wdym

[summer quail]

for now indeed

[warm crag]

with the weird augment shite going on with the ritual rewards

[chrome plover]

i think more tedious is correct

endgame crafting is gonna be painful

but early game much improved

[warm crag]

chaos orbs are just +1 -1 orbs now which makes them cooler for crafting manually tbf

[summer quail]

can be more accessible and more tedious at the same time. easier to get into i think

[warm crag]

but it wont be more accessible cause you still need to open craft of exile to even see what mods are tagged as what

[chrome plover]

and you cant scour your base and go agane ?

[warm crag]

otherwise you are hard griefing your craft unless you're trying to slam life on smth

[undone flower]

Can someone explain if poe2 is not poe1 but with zug zug terms

[summer quail]

no crafting table which adds a bunch of options nor recipes, less options means less confusion

[chrome plover]

poe2 is not poe1

[undone flower]

Thx

I Will play it then

[brittle crow]

why would i play poe2 when there's a wow right there

[summer quail]

have you seen our talent tree?

[radiant plank]

there is no wow

only raid

[modest condor]

i havent raided in months

[brittle crow]

i play warlock what's a warrior

[modest condor]

im a mole person now

[coarse nest]

Wow is dying haven’t you watched the belluar video

[summer quail]

it's a horribly designed class that i cannot escape

[brittle crow]

schrodinger's bellular
wow is both dying and on the comeback at the same time

[undone flower]

There is only raid indeed, I’m playing worst dead games now just to wait next patch

[chrome plover]

because poe2

has a 2

wheres wow2 huh

huh??

[coarse nest]

I refuse to waste hours of my life in the lfg que

[summer quail]

i legit started playing starcraft 2 again whilst waiting for poe2. i'm so down bad

[coarse nest]

Got all 11s and stopped doing keys outside of vault

[chrome plover]

i just do my 10s and call it a week

[summer quail]

everytime i play something i just think of poe2

[chrome plover]

same

[undone flower]

Im so bored of wow I tried farming simulator 2025

[warm crag]

will to live improved a lot since we started reclearing and i legally dont have to fill m+ vault anymore

[coarse nest]

It’s like the pug brains get worse and worse every season

[mossy fox]

man i love sc2

[coarse nest]

Omg have to have meta or I’ll fail

[mossy fox]

goated game shame it's too hard to play

[summer quail]

genuinely super fun game, i watched so many pro games yesterday

[chrome plover]

i am progging queen with a 626 flame wrath off hand

[summer quail]

i'm really trash at it tho

[coarse nest]

Meanwhile I literally did 3.5k in DF with two warriors two paladins and an aug

Lmao

[warm crag]

don't do that

[chrome plover]

where is my choice

[warm crag]

craft it

[chrome plover]

this is why i do eight 10s a week

[mossy fox]

same i watch sc2 all the time but im actually just bad at the game

[chrome plover]

yeah tbf i will craft it next reset

[undone flower]

I remember I tried ranked sc2 back then but got so skill diff demolished didn’t dare to touch ranked anymore

[warm crag]

craft it this reset

[chrome plover]

i uh

dont have crests

[mossy fox]

could prolly get good if i put hours into it but it's way more fun to watch pros

[warm crag]

normal

@chrome plover did they say if pilfering ring and stuff like that will go into poe2

[summer quail]

what race do you play? i keep swapping between terran and protoss. i like the concept of zerg but don't enjoy the playstyle

[modest condor]

aoe2 is the goated rts

[mossy fox]

i played zerg

[chrome plover]

i think so

it's on sale rn

[undone flower]

I played for the first time AoE2 on the PlayStation lol

[mossy fox]

i did protoss first but didnt like it

[warm crag]

ya thats why i am opening the video game

[chrome plover]

might need to get it myself

it'd be a bit troll if it didnt work

[summer quail]

i've tried zerg a bunch of times, but zvz is such an ass matchup and i struggle to spend my resources as zerg

very cool units tho

[warm crag]

i already have the pedometer

it keeps going off when i go into random peoples hideouts idk why

[mossy fox]

sc2 has a community council now that does the balance changes lmao

imagine that happened in wow

[coarse nest]

Wait

[warm crag]

community council ..

[radiant plank]

...

[chrome plover]

the anime ones?

[undone flower]

Nerf fury warrior, again

[coarse nest]

There’s literally an item called “pedo”meter

[summer quail]

yee, and they are biased as hell. biased towards terran that is

[coarse nest]

[mossy fox]

ye

[warm crag]

ye it goes crazy in those

[chrome plover]

interesting

[radiant plank]

dont we have

wow community council

[chrome plover]

we did

idk about anymore

[radiant plank]

but they have done nothing

[mossy fox]

it has/had no power rly

community council holds all the power in sc2

afaik

[chrome plover]

that's crazy

[radiant plank]

who thought inviting bunch of aotc / 1600 rating andies to an elite club of forum posters was a good idea

[undone flower]

I thought it was LoL but you are right it’s wow who has a council

[summer quail]

community sure, imagine a balance council tho. the starcraft balance council is made up of pro players, they live off the game. so ofcourse they are biased as hell

horrible idea

[chrome plover]

lol used to have community review reports i think

years ago

[mossy fox]

ye this

[radiant plank]

goated feature

[chrome plover]

a community tribunal

badass

[radiant plank]

tribunal

[undone flower]

Tribunal feels like they are dressed for each meeting

[chrome plover]

The Tribunal was a system introduced in May 2011 by Riot Games Inc. to help discipline players and keep the community in check with the help of their peers.

[summer quail]

they recently nerfed the ghost because the community wanted it so badly and if they didn't they would get backlash. but the balance note was passive aggressive as hell, check it out if you haven't crit

so fkn funny

[mossy fox]

i hear the sc2 balance council kinda have to argue a lot to get things done, like "if we can get y buffed/reworked then we can nerf x to compensate"

[mossy fox]

ye i read that lmao

ghost is 3 supply now instead of 2 which is a lazy change but imo it works fine

[summer quail]

yuhh, anytime protoss gets a buff they get a compensation nerf

[mossy fox]

what do i know though im only a viewer

[summer quail]

ye same, still really funny from a viewers perspective it just seems so crazy

[undone flower]

How is the YouTube guy called who main Terran and do stupid challenge like only ghosts build etc

[mossy fox]

uthermal

[summer quail]

Uthermal

love that guy

[undone flower]

That’s him thx

It’s been a while I didn’t see something from him

[mossy fox]

p sure hes still uploading i see him on my feed often

[summer quail]

yea he is, lots of teamgames tho which i don't like

[undone flower]

Big W feed, my tiktoks are so cursed I hesitate to reset the algorithm

[inner shadow]

what can you say, some are luckier than others

[mossy fox]

do you watch harstems things like "rank roulette" and "who wants to be a grandmaster"

those are fun to watch/play along with

@summer quail

[summer quail]

yeaah

in general i just watch alot of sc2 atm

game owns

[mossy fox]

crazy how it's still alive tbh

relatively small but strong fanbase ig

[summer quail]

very passionate playerbase

yea fanbase probably more accurate word

[coarse nest]

During the 15 or so years I’ve been playing wow I have never once looked at StarCraft

[desert cloud]

is the BT one like better now in ST and m+ ?

[coarse nest]

Maybe I should

[fickle bluff]

for a while yeah

[summer quail]

plus i think sc2 is getting a small resurgence, like very small but one nonetheless. so many new rts games are coming out, but only like 2 look promising imo

[undone flower]

Tbh it is still relative stronk fanbase because no good rts came out since sc2, the genre died with the game

[summer quail]

and no, one of them is not stormgate. stormgate does not look fun

[desert cloud]

civilisation or some shit

[undone flower]

What like civilization 6 ? It’s not a rts

[sonic shoal]

AoE 2 is holding pretty good I guess, I'm watching some of it still

[gilded pawn]

Real time as in it takes hours to play the game

You see your life wasting away in real time

[undone flower]

I play paradox games, I know how to waste my time coloring a map of Europe

[mossy fox]

oh @summer quail dude i spoke to a doctor at work on the phone today and she asked "you're scandinavian right?" "i can tell from a mile away" and started speaking norwegian when i said im from norway

[summer quail]

actually 3 rts games look good. Tempest rising(very command and conquer), Zerospace which is like sc2 meets wc3 kinda and Immortal:gates of pyre which is closest to sc2

[mossy fox]

first time that happened since i moved here 13 yrs ago lmao

[gilded pawn]

She didn’t know you were a mango farmer

[mossy fox]

you commented on something yesterday too

[summer quail]

aahhahah, btw i swear no one can tell except other scandinavians. i promise your accent is not noticeable to others

like it's just people like me

[sonic shoal]

Must have felt good though, I've heard Norwegian people are kinda unwelcoming to immigrants

[gilded pawn]

I’m a fan of red alert 3

[mossy fox]

dude im self conscious now

lmao

[gilded pawn]

It’s not the most competitive game but it’s fun

[summer quail]

i have a similar story a few years back, was playing valorant and talking in the mic and the guy goes "YOU'RE FROM SWEDEN!!" and i'm like "no" then he says "yes you are i can tell" and i just said "i'm norwegian"

[summer quail]

check out tempest rising gameplay then, it's like red alert meets generals. genuinely looks really good

[mossy fox]

i think red alert 2 is the one i played

[summer quail]

Tempest rising isn't out yet, but looks very promising

[undone flower]

Aren’t all Norwegians Swedish ? In my game they start as a subject of them 🤷‍♂️ (jk)

The red alert I played is the one with the song everyone thinks it’s from CoD world at war but isn’t

[glossy moon]

Does anyone know the name of this weakaura for warrior? more specific to classic era

[fickle bluff]

💀

[undone flower]

Ofc

Fuck the thumbnail

It’s a red alert 3 song I found it, everyone thinks it’s the main song of map discovery of world at war basically but is just an edit

[mossy fox]

i think i had a few "are you swedish" comments too recently

starting to think my accent is slowly regressing back to norwegian accent because i barely spend any time with my fellow brits

[summer quail]

idk, you speak english all day so i doubt it. i think scandinavians are just built different when it comes to accent recognition

[mossy fox]

im just thinking im not getting influenced by british people cause i dont speak with them enough

so i just keep reinforcing the way im already speaking idk

[summer quail]

you're in your own head and overthinking this

[mossy fox]

i am

[undone flower]

You talk with so small accent I envy you because French accent is cringe to hear myself

[last sparrow]

i was gonna say i could tell you had a nordic accent but couldnt place it

[undone flower]

I should maybe join an English guild next time I’m looking for one

[summer quail]

I thought you were the manager of a team in a hospital or something? are they not british?

[mossy fox]

ye but i dont actually have to speak that much

[summer quail]

fair enough

[sonic shoal]

Saving people at day, killing monsters at night

[modest hollow]

not all heroes wear capes

[tidal kindle]

If you don't play zerg, your opinion is meaningless

Thems the facts, I don't make the rules

[undone flower]

Idk why, even tho I only playe Protoss I always felt pressured to switch to Zerg when I did ladder games

[tidal kindle]

You can repop army in 30s as zerg

Terran/toss can't

📈

[summer quail]

zerg so annoying to use tho, i like all their units but run out of gas and then have so much minerals

[undone flower]

Doesn’t it depend on your BO ?

[chrome plover]

erm guys this is the world of warcraft: the war within fury warrior discord channel

please stay on topic

[undone flower]

Long Time i didn’t play and I climbed to only gold or over that

[tidal kindle]

Yah you gotta stay 1 base ahead to be even on income p much, at least when I played (base wings of liberty)

[tidal kindle]

Zerg plays like fury

Unga bunga charge in

Close enough?

[chrome plover]

ok you may proceed

[summer quail]

zerg has some goated units tho, just alot of annoyances like creep spreading injecting etc

[tidal kindle]

Zerg rewards high APM

Just like fury

🤝

[undone flower]

The queen hatch spell is the most annoying thing tho

[tidal kindle]

That's the best part...

Cycle through all my queens every 30s and inject my hatcheries + drop new creep

[undone flower]

It is satisfying but every X seconds it’s kinda a pain

[desert cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-gif-12155280076198624890

[tidal kindle]

Is muta/ling/infestor

Still meta comp

Any knowers

[summer quail]

nahh, mutas are kind of a dead unit at the moment

[undone flower]

Infester are the units who can mc enemies ?

[tidal kindle]

Yah

MC + fungal growth root

[undone flower]

Are they not dead units since a while no ?

[summer quail]

infestors very good unit

[desert cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/balenciaga-mongolia-gif-377317847370784586

[undone flower]

Im also in micro plastic rabbit hole on my fyp

With plenty of other cursed rabbit holes in

[modest condor]

why settle with microplastic if you can eat macroplastic

[tidal kindle]

+1

[covert blaze]

YES

[desert cloud]

may god bless you

[outer umbra]

YES

[mossy fox]

infestors still good but very nerfed compared to early versions of it

[desert cloud]

may god bless you too

[tidal kindle]

Yah they were super OP in base WOL

Hated playing them but had to

[summer quail]

they got a pretty decent buff recently

but yea still very nerfed compared to earlier versions

[mossy fox]

yea the shroud thing

[summer quail]

yea the shroud thing very noticeable against air

[tidal kindle]

an infestor gains 25 energy in approximately 31.7 seconds,

🤔

[mossy fox]

i think at some point infestors had 0 travel time on fungal and could summon infested terrans but they removed that

infested terrans were giga busted

[summer quail]

yea infested terrans were crazy good

[tidal kindle]

Drop infest terran in some tanks

https://tenor.com/i3CXFLyd98S.gif

Watch them boom each other

[mossy fox]

0 travel time on fungal is wild tho

the dmg also got nerfed over time iirc

[summer quail]

yeah, first time they tried to nerf fungal they accidentally buffed it. made it so the duration was shorter but damage was higher. so you just got a deathball of infestors

[mossy fox]

serral's fault zerg sucks balls now change my mind

[tidal kindle]

+100

[summer quail]

i swear serral will win even if zerg is garbagio

from a viewers perspective i really want them to buff protoss and zerg. been a while since a non terran won

[radiant plank]

🇫🇮 🇫🇮 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

[summer quail]

or i guess it's just smarter to nerf terran

[mossy fox]

ghost change will surely be good enough

[elfin hatch]

What are u talking about?

[undone flower]

Oh raid cancelled this night because people missing and we don’t extend next week, does it feel bad ?

2 apply test

[mossy fox]

depends what your goal is

[summer quail]

i saw some recent news that blizzard is hiring a small team to work on starcraft but idk if that's true. maybe they will take over balance council?

[mossy fox]

reclear for gear or prio extend for prog

[mossy fox]

pressing x to doubt

[undone flower]

I want the CE, it’s the first time I don’t want to quit the game before getting it

[summer quail]

and sc2 recently got added to gamepass

[summer quail]

on what boss are you at?

[smoky vale]

court

mutou i got a trial with a new guild

[summer quail]

hmh not extending when on court is pretty rough i think, at this point atleast

[mossy fox]

eh plenty of time for CE honestly i think so either option is prolly fine

[summer quail]

hugee

[hardy bluff]

if you are at court now youll get ce

[undone flower]

The closest time I was to get CE is Nathria I did few last boss pulls but quit them game still, I’m on silken (p2 post BL)

[smoky vale]

the real question will be which spec am i going to play

might play fishy build

but i dont think i have enough crit as arms

[undone flower]

Every guild can get CE if they just pulls, guild who don’t get CE stopped pulling bosses

[tidal kindle]

Fk that play colossus w/ spear

📈

[smoky vale]

isnt that fishy build?

[tidal kindle]

Idk

[smoky vale]

someone posted it earlier

[tidal kindle]

I just know that's what I played

Yo how are shamans hitting

3m

On court

[smoky vale]

.

this build garms?

[undone flower]

3m I need to know your magic garms

[smoky vale]

nono

that was blue class

[undone flower]

If I do 1.7, I’m fine with my dmg

On the first kill

[tidal kindle]

O I played smth lil diff on prog

But yah I'd play that now

[mossy fox]

they picked strong class

[smoky vale]

what did you play on prog and why

[summer quail]

@mossy fox look at the right part, that seems to me like a small team working on starcraft 2. or am i coping too hard

[tidal kindle]

- EB + 2nd BB
- Sharpened + Jugg
Barely had enough crit back then

[mossy fox]

i dont believe it until i see it

[smoky vale]

how much crit is barely

[tidal kindle]

Now I have infinite crit

Like

[smoky vale]

bc i think i only have like 30

actually

i havent simmed queen ring

[tidal kindle]

37% w/ crit flask

[smoky vale]

holy

[summer quail]

can use crit flask and swap enchants/gems

[smoky vale]

surely heroic queen ring helps

[undone flower]

And how much you do with that ? Looking if it is worth switching stats and learn a new spec (probably not but might try)

[tidal kindle]

This was also before we got the 9? 11?% raid buff

So juggernaut had value

[smoky vale]

holy

[tidal kindle]

Now the boss just dies before even the 2nd part of the double stun

[summer quail]

i mean court is not a dps check, just play what you're comfortable with. i'm progging as fury thane

[tidal kindle]

So sharpened way better

[smoky vale]

ic

but what if i gamba jug stacks

er

[tidal kindle]

Do not gamba jugg stacks

[smoky vale]

sd

[radiant plank]

what if

[tidal kindle]

[radiant plank]

no jugg

go blord

like fishy

[undone flower]

Im still glad if I can help the raid more by pressing 1 single button

[smoky vale]

i saw walhe

trial starts tomorrow

im so hyped

[eternal sundial]

No jugg is so cooked

[eternal sundial]

What prog

[radiant plank]

he got r29

[smoky vale]

silken

[radiant plank]

arms

world

[undone flower]

it’s not like silken is more personal challenging than kyvesa, I don’t need to be so focused anymore

[eternal sundial]

Yes but like