well it does make sense to have reckavaroar together tbh
#fury
oblique trail
That is not what I'm saying
heavy dock
well thats what im just saying :D
calm quartz
clever path
clever belfry
shutter woke bonesense
feral ivy
That’s wild. I only blocked like 2 ppl for leaving keys lol but now we can report them as well for it
hardy bluff
do people actually have problems with people leaving keys just to troll?
i never saw that in my life
coarse nest
literally today
disc priest left +8 dawn on 3rd boss with 15 minutes left on timer
gave us a ":D"
before leaving
hardy bluff
and this happens regularly?
i think most the crying comes from people that leave keys after like 5 wipes and people still wanting completion
coarse nest
yeah its not common for me just coincidentally happened a little bit before this conversation lol
modest condor
did a 10 mists yesterday, one of the dps "dced" after the 2nd boss because we wiped once and had multiple deaths on the 2nd attempt, we timed the dungeon with 4 people left
i hate people who fake dc
just leave the group if you dont want to play anymore
sonic shoal
Both are spoiled people anyway. I understand if it is some high key and there's actually no point in trying to time it, but otherwise...
modest condor
tbh i just dont want to do dungeons with people below 2.8k io anymore
even weekly 10s
sonic shoal
I rather look at people how much dungs they did of those certain levels or all levels in general, to see if they're gamers or just weekly people
coarse nest
I'm only 2760 I stopped giving a shit after wasting 6 hours one weekend trying to pug into 12s
have 3.5k exp though
in DF
modest condor
if someone has done a lot of dungeons and they're still only like 2.5k i still dont want to play with them
2.5k doing 2 packs at the start of NW instead of doing the normal pull
sure if you're new and the key is high for you that's fine, but im not there to help you get score, i want to do a quick weekly
sonic shoal
I usually went for 10s only in duo/trio with guildmates so we didn't mind someone weaker. Those people struggle to join dungeons as well, so as a warrior I understand their pain I guess
hardy bluff
im just running mists and dawn
iron portal
Silm is just venting. He now needs some blaster keys
hardy bluff
havent done any other key in weeks
winter shoal
2.5k doing 2 packs at the start of NW instead of doing the normal pull
Every tank I've done like 12ish NW with has tried the giga pull, died, and instantly left the group
modest condor
yeah but this is a 10, not a 12
iron portal
Every tank I've done like 12ish NW with has tried the giga pull, died, and insta...
Every dh tank in nw
modest condor
also people leaving after failing the pull once never learn
sonic shoal
Every tank I've done like 12ish NW with has tried the giga pull, died, and insta...
Just don't pull the middle, thanks, bye
modest condor
i went in on a 13, failed the pull, tried it 2 more times, we succeeded, went in on 12 and did it super clean
sonic shoal
You can still pull gatekeeper and 3-4 other packs and do the middle with a 2nd gatekeeper
winter shoal
also people leaving after failing the pull once never learn
I mean tbf it's hard to do the pull without lust and cds and stuff but yeah
If you're a tank and you aren't confident in your ability to do it, just don't do it imo
modest condor
you dont need to finish the pull when practicing
hardy bluff
gathering is the hard bit
winter shoal
You can easily time the key on a 12 without doing giga pull
if your dps aren't asleep at the wheel at least
(they usually are)
modest condor
like if you do the pull no lust and you survive until the 2nd gatekeeper aoe then that means you got it sorted for when you do have lust next time you're in there
winter shoal
like if you do the pull no lust and you survive until the 2nd gatekeeper aoe the...
I agree with you in like a coordinated group where people are trying to practice for higher keys
sonic shoal
Idk it feels like tank needs to stay alive and keep aggro, interrupt the Drain Fluids and that's it? The dps apart from the AoE and Throw Flesh shouldn't be getting damage
winter shoal
But people don't wanna do that shit in pugs
modest condor
and that's why they keep depleting
sonic shoal
Well maybe Blight Bags dying doing AoE as well
winter shoal
Seems like it's usually just tanks getting eaten alive by white swings in the keys I've done tbh
sour frigate
i went in on a 13, failed the pull, tried it 2 more times, we succeeded, went in...
chadder
depleted nw 12 today but finished
just to practice
could be time but bad pull happened
sonic shoal
I think not particularly white swings, but the Vanguards are doing bad things to the tank. So if you pull the middle as well and you have 3 at the same time, you just simply die if you don't have a defensive up
sour frigate
(heroic)
winter shoal
I think not particularly white swings, but the Vanguards are doing bad things to...
"you just simply die if you don't have a defensive up" I feel like tanks should expect that if they're doing a giga pull lol
sonic shoal
"you just simply die if you don't have a defensive up" I feel like tanks should ...
Well up until 12 you should do relatively small pulls and live the WHOLE dungeon with just mitigation so...
It doesn't make them learn how to use it, then they go into a +12 and just get rekt
radiant plank
leader move
south kayak
this is less impressive than curve
inner zinc
when i want to sim for 5 targets, Is it still patchwerk style but with 5 bosses or do I use cleave add style?
iron portal
this is less impressive than curve
even 4/8 isnt really impressive
And im saying it as 4/8 person
south kayak
yeah exactly
grand condor
Rashanan easier than h queen
chrome plover
Rashanan easier than h queen
nah i dont think that's true at all
queen has been a joke for a while since you skip so many mechanics
royal osprey
Most fun is,6/8 mythic leader,but noone ever explains tactic since all that join are experienced anyway
So that bait is kinda stupit
south kayak
7/8 hc lead
south kayak
610 can do hc
nocturne dragon
I saw a group "8/8 only, be 630 ilvl+"
Usually the leader only 580 ilvl or below. Just wanted to be carried.
compact knot
The description had guild group, so I assume it was abunch of under geared alts looking for a carry.
nocturne dragon
100% like that for sure
fading sky
610 can do hc
Ofc but 610 bad pug😅
thick fossil
What in the flying fuck is going on here?
fickle cedar
saw another one, they're looking for another ret
south kayak
classic
south kayak
saw another one, they're looking for another ret
Keep it in the family
silent thistle
is there a soft cap for haste? 25%?
warm crag
is there a soft cap for haste? 25%?
no soft caps you need to know abt
stick to simming stuff in top gear
marble trench
So, is Mountain Thane strictly for M+ and slayer for raid?
Give or take a boss or two
compact knot
So, is Mountain Thane strictly for M+ and slayer for raid?
both are pretty close to eachother in raid and m+
slayer slightly wins in most boss fights (except for silken court where imo thane is better)
m+ you can run both, but most people prefer thane for the most consistent damage profile
frank lintel
What's the spell ID or name for the ability that resets thunderclap? I keep missing it so I want to make a WA that makes a sound when the buff is up and thunderclap go BOOM ⚡ 
sudden tusk
What's the spell ID or name for the ability that resets thunderclap? I keep miss...
Thunderblast
if you are talking about the thane ability
frank lintel
Yeah, the thane ability! ty
feral ivy
i feel like its mandatory to get a sooth in GB
frank lintel
Thunderblast
Is this an ability we want to track and pretty much cast every time it’s up? I just started with fury since arms was fun but too slow for me, and missing a few things. I noticed I didn’t cast thunderblast very much.
sudden tusk
Is this an ability we want to track and pretty much cast every time it’s up? I j...
Its our top button in AoE for sure. and id put it Right blow Crushing Blow and Bloodbath as Piority for Single Target
hazy cedar
Is this an ability we want to track and pretty much cast every time it’s up? I j...
its THE ability to press
heavy dock
Its our top button in AoE for sure. and id put it Right blow Crushing Blow and B...
I thought tblast was absolute top priority even in ST
frank lintel
Its our top button in AoE for sure. and id put it Right blow Crushing Blow and B...
Bet this gonna go ⚡️ 🎵
feral ivy
tank pulls that and expected us to kick everything and live through everything...
leaves after doing that but before that he did this pull and we used cd on this one 1st
sudden tusk
I thought tblast was absolute top priority even in ST
s still does less damage then CB/BB
Its only our priority in ST at 2 stacks so you dont waste a Tblast charge by casting a BT/BB and getting a proc before it
modest condor
tank pulls that and expected us to kick everything and live through everything.....
yeah that's not a pull you want to do in a pug lol
feral ivy
if we had coms or if we knew before hand so we can say who we kicking then yes doable but not randomly because the kicks everyone is going to go for is the fear and ignore everything else
heavy dock
s still does less damage then CB/BB
yea but you need to count the lightning strikes dmg to
im pretty sure its more
sonic shoal
Even with comms there's too many bolts going around, Narzudach aoe and that circle thing forgot the name... I doubt it would even work out
heavy dock
+chance to trigger surge of power
feral ivy
Even with comms there's too many bolts going around, Narzudach aoe and that circ...
in low keys yea 11 or less
i hate your picture is no picture so its throwing me off
sonic shoal
in low keys yea 11 or less
11 or below I wouldn't count for people to kick anything. I'm barely doing the 2 marauders into Necromancer pull because of that
finite abyss
hey guys, im really new to fury, did we can still play slayer or is mountain thane fix for m+? dont like the revenger thing tbh idk its a huge difference between both hero trees?
feral ivy
hey guys, im really new to fury, did we can still play slayer or is mountain tha...
In low keys go slayer till like 12 then it’s better to use thane
But not a big diff
finite abyss
so everything for 2-12 is slayer good?
feral ivy
so everything for 2-12 is slayer good?
Yea
summer quail
In low keys go slayer till like 12 then it’s better to use thane
i only do 10-11s, thane does a decent amount more
sudden tusk
yea but you need to count the lightning strikes dmg to
They do Kinda close damage, Crushing Blow becuase of slaughtering strikes is techncially more damage per press, but realistically you are pressing BB/CB and Tblast before your next rampage anyway so outside of not wasting Tblast procs if you are already on 2 stacks of it, it doesn't really matter what you press first
modest condor
yeah thane does better even in my weeklies
you can play slayer if you prefer that tho
people have the wrong idea that slayer has stronger cooldowns and thane has stronger sustain
it's true that thane does more damage outside of cooldowns, but it also does more damage inside of cooldowns
it's just spread over ~20 seconds rather than 5
and unless you're playing in a group that can 2-3chest the weekly, trash is gonna live that long
sudden tusk
thanes defensive value is way higher too
I still wonder even after the reap buff if slayer will do more damage in high keys
but i havent been able to test it much
@modest condor has raidbots been updated with the right spell data yet
sudden tusk
tbh its kinda preferance
if everythings exploding slayer will do more overall
if its with normal players thane will do prob equal and have more general throughput
finite abyss
did slayer and thane both wanna same stats?
sudden tusk
ya
modest condor
the message was posted after it was fixed
gilded pawn
it's just spread over ~20 seconds rather than 5
The dreaded 4th gcd in slayer
bitter palm
saw another one, they're looking for another ret
based
not as based as 5 warriors but based
ashen siren
is there like a list of each loot spec. when opening vault
i mean neatly organised in a spreadsheet instead of having to browse adventure guide
to be more concrete: i wanna know by how much % does fury loot spec. lower my 2h drop chance in vault
storm rune
go on wowhead and look under S1 mythic+ loot and there should be tabs for armor etc
oblique trail
If you want a 2h, just always open as Arms
There's no real reason to have Fury lootspec on ever, unless you specifically also want a 1h for Prot
ashen siren
yes i do want 1h for prot too
oblique trail
Then have Fury on if you value both specs equally
Doubt anyone has made a spreadsheet detailing how much you saturate your loot pool by having 1h in the mix
ashen siren
ye
ashen siren
and fury should get all other nonweapons which arms gets right
velvet canopy
I would love a HoT where you're just berating them to get over the pain
heavy dock
need tank shaman too
so much missed opportunity to make rock/earth based tank sham
midnight needs some fun stuff
slim pollen
I would love a HoT where you're just berating them to get over the pain
New spec: Drill Sergeant
heavy dock
or some change in the formula
velvet canopy
New spec: Drill Sergeant
Perfection
hasty tree
Is there some kind of overview how much raid dps each class buff provides (estimated with a default setup or something like that)
warm crag
dont think anyone bothers
just bring every buff class once shrug if you really want smth you can try to nab a raid teams sims with and without that raid buff
hasty tree
ok thanks I was just curious how much dps a raid looses without a warrior but it was only theoretical
summer quail
a decent amount. this tier fury is very strong as well
shadow maple
what are the best weapon enchan?
feral ivy
what do you guys think 13 COT this what we had left 18mins and 1 lust on 5min cd was this still timeable
we just killed the duo boss
sonic shoal
Do you seriously think you can pull off the 10th pull?
feral ivy
oh that was just me clicking to show what we had left
sonic shoal
But I guess 18 mins is plenty enough. There's not much trash fights still, 9 and 10 can be done in like 4~ pulls, 1 pull inside and then the boss... I guess timeable depending on the dps and if people wouldn't die
feral ivy
non meta for 13GB lets see
modest condor
wow 13 gigabyte that's a big group
bitter palm
13 great britain
upper grove
Bah... Still in need of a myth weapon but this is my vault 😭 Figured I'll just take ring bc rarity but dps....
(Any opinions for which selection would be fun to consider, if you like)
feral ivy
Bah... Still in need of a myth weapon but this is my vault 😭 Figured I'll just...
thats heroic track right ring?
i would go for ring
its supper rare and hard to get ..mythic track wep is easy as hell
covert blaze
(Any opinions for which selection would be fun to consider, if you like)
ring is bis
myth track weapon is easy to get from first boss and you can vault a bunch of different 2handers
heavy dock
i would get wep tbh
u prob dont do mythic raid do u
and that ring is honestly barely an upgrade at 626
was below 1%
for me
wep is huge
summer quail
depends on other ring, we will almost certainly use the new annulet like ring when that comes out, so if he has a really good ring beforehand i would take weapon
whole yacht
new ring is in 2 weeks ish right?
summer quail
ye
whole yacht
i wonder how strong itll be
trim hound
Is it gonna take forever to power up the ring or will it be quick
modest condor
i believe it's gonna take a couple of weeks
whole yacht
no idea. all i know is they said they plan for it to be "a strong ring"
feral ivy
if its like DF ring it will take a week or 2
whole yacht
that ring
took me too long to get XD
i didnt like it. didnt want it
put it off. till my guild yelled at me 😂
i knew it was strong. didnt like it
modest condor
the ring was barely even worth it for fury
whole yacht
i didnt play fury back then
modest condor
dont think i even used it on raszageth
whole yacht
rip
modest condor
my tank is playing hardcore classic 🙃
whole yacht
on god my guild is losing their only fury when mop classic comes out 😂
feral ivy
whats with this massive diff god damn
whole yacht
what is this
feral ivy
top warriors on my server
feral ivy
being nosy and the dps always same ret/balance/him and pug healer/tank
whole yacht
hes got a small group he plays with.
checks out
most people 3k+ do
if not a full group
upper grove
u prob dont do mythic raid do u
My bad had to afk a bit. I have 1st boss myth at least for weap chance, then 10s as well for vault chance. My other rings are pictured here (and also rings in bag) and most are Hero track. But yes the weapon obviously simmed much higher than the ring but I feel like any myth weap would over the ring.
summer quail
My bad had to afk a bit. I have 1st boss myth at least for weap chance, then 10s...
do a sim for crafted ring vs queen ring. if crafted sims higher take weapon
feral ivy
My bad had to afk a bit. I have 1st boss myth at least for weap chance, then 10s...
your not thinking of the long run only the short run
exotic root
upper grove
do a sim for crafted ring vs queen ring. if crafted sims higher take weapon
But crafted ring is saving up crests to make 636 with annulet on the way instead of upgrading other gear. Then again, if I got a myth ring or two along with annulet, I might not even use ring after that I suppose since hero track...
feral ivy
how the fuck you are mythic all the way to court but not high i.o
upper grove
your not thinking of the long run only the short run
what is long run in your opinion, weap?
feral ivy
what is long run in your opinion, weap?
ring is the hardest thing to get in the game with cloak and neck from 3rd boss and 4th i woul go ring
upper grove
your not thinking of the long run only the short run
Ah I see before you said ring
whole yacht
but fuck nw
NW is easy though
sinful spoke
me n olike nw
whole yacht
I mean. It's a bad dungeon. But it's easy
feral ivy
they dont corelate
i feel like higher i.o the less deaths u have in raid.. it helps imo. your pressing def and looking at your surroundings more
heavy dock
your not thinking of the long run only the short run
i mean long run would be mythic queen ring but
tbh
i think ring is very overrated
sinful spoke
i feel like higher i.o the less deaths u have in raid.. it helps imo. your press...
w NOPE
heavy dock
its easier to do mythic raiding than high m+ change my mind :D
most high end m+ can mythic raid but not he other way around
sinful spoke
no one asked
heavy dock
im just stating
feral ivy
weird response
heavy dock
for the guy that went "hurr durr u at couirt but only 2.5k??"
sinful spoke
for the guy that went "hurr durr u at couirt but only 2.5k??"
im messing with u
feral ivy
for the guy that went "hurr durr u at couirt but only 2.5k??"
wasnt talking about yours i was talking about his but this is even more weird response .. childish even
upper grove
i mean long run would be mythic queen ring but
I agree that higher numbers are great, but I'm able to do Myth content and 10s just fine now. Yea it would be a really big bump in numbers (like 10-40k diff depending on sim ruleset), but with 6ish chances in vault of weapons as well as Ulgrax 2H, I guess I'll the ring even though it's not that big of a dps bump
open prairie
how the fuck you are mythic all the way to court but not high i.o
You know there’s liquid main raiders below 2.5k right
gilded pawn
You know there’s liquid main raiders below 2.5k right
ngl bro i wont be surprised if max doesnt have a single character geared
sinful spoke
You know there’s liquid main raiders below 2.5k right
mythic plus players think their mini game is harder than the main game
💀
clever path
I think it’s funny to compare content that really has no similarities to compare to. The base of raiding and mplus are entirely different.
open prairie
I mean echo’s main team held first for literal years
If you dont have friends to do title push with, keys above 10 are useless
narrow narwhal
how the fuck you are mythic all the way to court but not high i.o
I hate m plus
bitter palm
based
smoky vale
not me
bitter palm
minigame players when u dont want to play their minigame
bitter palm
minigame players when u dont want to play their minigame
(thats more popular than the raid)
smoky vale
!
open prairie
Idk what you mean i enjoy spending time in my week being grouped with resto shamans who dont have interrupt bound on the offchance i get something in the tuesday vault
young swan
good vault guys c u next week
open prairie
xan is a closet delve lover
bitter palm
good enough
bitter palm
good vault guys c u next week
show delves
young swan
xan is a closet delve lover
true!
no i already logged off
thats an ovinax + ansurek vault
peak shit
bitter palm
sudden tusk
modest condor
good vault guys c u next week
grats on the rare cloak/neck/ring
sudden tusk
i havent seen a single rare item in my warriors vault
bitter palm
grats on ansurek ring
sudden tusk
madge
bitter palm
i havent seen a single rare item in my warriors vault
have 400 warriors and full vault on all of them
u will see a rare item
sudden tusk
i got a decent parse on the only boss i feel is worth parsing
kyveza
rest idc
pad fest garbo
open prairie
have 400 warriors and full vault on all of them
does this come with a free referral to therapy
asking for a friend
sudden tusk
bitter palm
not bad
ornate sable
What's the delisted counter?
ornate sable
pah,
whole yacht
Good lord. 1100 declines
feral ivy
damn is that yours?
smoky vale
damn is that yours?
feral ivy
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305/1312981354358...
ah jsut finished a key so had time to read lol but skimed through
feral ivy
you telling me that DK get declined wtf
bitter palm
every single dps gets declined
crude gate
You're getting confused ... The ratio of dps to tank and healer is way off hence so many dps rejections
Doesn't matter what spec you are
bitter palm
even if u are meta there are 9 morbillion people signing up as the same spec with slightly more rio/ilvl and they will get picked over you
thick fossil
https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Imexilea
At least they have an appropriate amount of mythic boss kills for CE proper.
compact knot
to be fair they each have like 4-10 characters they are gearing
which doing m+ on all of those characters is like the least fun and most time consuming way to do it when you can just do a mythic raid and get free myth track gear and a fuck load of crests
while it also being fun
brittle crow
he's spittin tbh
tidal helm
hello everybody... I might sound dumb but it has come to my attention that I need to increase my apm for better parses. It sounds simple but I honestly have no idea how to do that actively... it's not like I do not press buttons when they are available.
lament otter
hello everybody... I might sound dumb but it has come to my attention that I nee...
Stick to bosses as much as possible and do your rotation
sullen dove
hello everybody... I might sound dumb but it has come to my attention that I nee...
increasing apm for the most part just means avoiding not hitting buttons
so you can try to think to yourself like if there is every any point where youre not hitting a button for more than a second
if waiting for a cd to come off cooldown or waiting for rage to build or something
theres prolly something for you to hit
sudden tusk
tbh ill prob just give up this season and play poe 2
if blizzard wont balance the game i cba to give a shit
i WANT to play and progress, but i cant even get invited to a 14 kara
timed 14 SV and NW cant get in a kara
dry halo
tbh ill prob just give up this season and play poe 2
Login 
sudden tusk
Queing keys is More PvP then Solo Shuffle
undone flower
Waiting for GCD is massive ye
Not just pre gcd press thing, it’s also a on cd usage of spells like demo shouts etc / ignore pain in kinda same manner
oblique trail
Ye be sure to use these as Fury
undone flower
Of fuck I’m in 30 m+ queue channel
Well the answer is kinda same for fury i guess, pre gcd press buttons, avoid downtime, on cd press shit
inner shadow
addon name?
sudden tusk
declined
sudden tusk
inner shadow
sudden tusk
the wago installer is missing TONS of addons
i use both curseforge and wago to keep shit up to date
inner shadow
fair enough then
i'm the 430th download xd
is this dispell timing or the poison mech ?
inner shadow
my question is whether or not the poison explodes when overlapped
sudden tusk
no
inner shadow
prob self dispell on those 2 the brew just walked in your ass
i told him that, bro got mad at me saying it's dispell timingj and that i am braindamaged, 3k tank btw
i understand dispell timing yeah,. but gbro literally walked right into me
sudden tusk
https://tenor.com/view/panda-playing-swaying-positive-mental-attitude-gif-173041...
this is my warriors
somehow higher then the dk
golden hare
waow...
inner shadow
it's so surprising how many anime pfp there are here
south kayak
@sullen dove
oblique trail
it's so surprising how many anime pfp there are here
what
south kayak
south kayak
I should get an anime pfp
inner shadow
oh yeah lets just start pingin people
bruh- go to sleep
sullen dove
bruh- go to sleep
what
south kayak
oblique trail
pfp source **now** <a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
Grizz on twitter
sullen dove
what in da hel is dah
south kayak
what in da hel is dah
Which one
sullen dove
you
south kayak
Dandadan
south kayak
It’s great
young swan
is this dispell timing or the poison mech ?
u actually just got terrorized
sullen dove
rare zen clipped death that wasnt his fault
sullen dove
well the tank walking on him at the end
south kayak
In the worst possible time
sullen dove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkCkeurrS0 @fleet sorrel important video
sudden tusk
fleet sorrel
sullen dove
dapper goblet
find jesus
south kayak
Are you giving us a quest
gloomy zenith
Do you know whats Happening with fury in S2? Maybe Buff cause of the 5 Target lock?
oblique trail
We have all the info but decide not to share
(We don't know anything that you don't)
gloomy zenith
We have all the info but decide not to share
We are strong undertuned vote for 50% fury buff 🙂
oblique trail
That sounds like a mistake but pop off
inner shadow
i see
south kayak
what hjappens at end of one?
your character gets deleted by Ion
eternal sundial
how does m+ logs work?
There different metrics
The first one is points for the key per spec
Then damage for spec in key
And damage in key in general
I think middle one is most useful but eh
inner shadow
how do you measure tank's logs then?
eternal sundial
Like survival?
IIRC the guys in prot kinda just look at ur deaths and check if u missplayed
Used defensives etc
lament ocean
is algari mana oil > deep toxins?
clever belfry
@oblique trail hai
unreal onyx
M+ logs oof
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> hai
meowdy pardner
oblique trail
is algari mana oil > deep toxins?
yes
mossy fox
tf even is deep toxins
red berry
i WANT to play and progress, but i cant even get invited to a 14 kara
i honestly stopped pushing a long time ago. ive only done 11s, mind. which aren't terribly high. especially high as 14. still, it means that i don't really know how bad stuff is as far as group composition is at this point. how is it?
i dont think ive done anything other then my weekly 10 since a month or two ago
sudden tusk
its pretty bad state
unless you already have the key done things like 14 kara/DB are used to constantly reroll keys so the chance of getting into those especially as a non meta class is abysmal
red berry
yeah those ones are generous
sudden tusk
its not like i CANT get title on my warrior, but the amount of time it takes to even get into a single key just isnt worth it
red berry
thats why i stopped trying to get into groups, honestly
pugging into 12s was
goofy
so id spend a few hours trying to get into a single key and they'd not pan out when i did
and that being straightup weeks ago
lmao
sudden tusk
you basically have to play some form of meta to get into keys
clever belfry
I think key rerolling has gone way overboard
sudden tusk
my dk gets invited regularly and is almost caught up to my warrior in IO
clever belfry
Its very fucking stupid
sudden tusk
They need to remove keys being spefiic
a 14 should be able to be slotted into any dungeon
and run at a 14
people need score anyway so they will have to run the other keys for score/portals regardless
and if that means 14 thousand ara karas get timed every week who actually cares
even if a group of 5 has all keys they dont want
they find a relevent ara kara or DB
and reroll em
then gruop back up
bedge
inner shadow
grim batol 
god i fuckin hate that dungeon
run it as a 14, you're perma in def stance
tardy lark
i have an easier time getting into 10+ weeklies on a 612 dk than a 625 warrior
pugging is not they way
yeah fucking hate when people use their cc
inner shadow
interrupt- then cc at last second of cast, to gain time to get back ur interrupts
tardy lark
do you play a lot of league by chance
inner shadow
but nooooo, lets fucking stun adds when we have all 5 interrupts up, and then have 3 misstime their interrupts
inner shadow
do you play a lot of league by chance
i played wow and league since age 7-8
bujt i stopped w league couple of years ago
radiant plank
Negative IQ player base will cry about anything and everything. If you're sh$t at the game, then don't do mythic plus. Content shouldn't be dumbed down becuase you're bad and want to be handed everything. Be thankful they're even doing this for you mechanics-challenged dolts. Stick to pet battles and delves if it isn't your speed.
Sincerely,
Mplus Title Holder
inner shadow
thing is mr walhe, is these title holders, that do the most moronish shit
that tank has to type to them mid fight
radiant plank
all title players who dont tank (excluding lemike) are boosted
inner shadow
3.4k?
these are barely 3k monkeys
3.4k dont pug
for title i meant 3k title, but i forgot 3k u get no titled
tardy lark
i wish i was this good at mental gymnastics
inner shadow
aagaard
i am not complaining
about every f key
there is
out of 10 i do
there is 1 moronish one
tardy lark
you are gonna brick keys
tardy lark
such is life
radiant plank
didnt brick those sikran pulls either
inner shadow
nah
radiant plank
inner shadow
out of 15 pulls
tardy lark
see
inner shadow
didnt brick those sikran pulls either
Raidleader also bricked the whole fucking guild
tardy lark
the gymnastics
inner shadow
they disbanded 1d after
tardy lark
you're really good at it
inner shadow
?
tardy lark
🙈
random raptor
I've almost given up on trying to push for title, having no group and trying to get into keys seems impossible lol
inner shadow
I've almost given up on trying to push for title, having no group and trying to ...
without a team you literally cannot do anything, and those exceptional 0.0000% of the players who manage to get title of pugs, are what confirms the rule
random raptor
sounds about right
tardy lark
people who try to pug title without playing fotm are actually psychopaths
inner shadow
people who try to pug title without playing fotm are actually psychopaths
not as much of psychopaths as some here
for as whatever the fuck you may think, you are wrong and they are perma right]
tardy lark
sounds a lot like you 
inner shadow
buddy. my point was Stunning adds before interrupting them is shit
anyone in this world can agree on that
Because you screw up people's interrupts and timing
global Stunning an Add or group of adds, when you have interrupts (assigned) up
Is just you griefing your team and causing them to fail their interrupt
You never stun a cast if you got interrupt up, cuz it doesnt resolve shit, the add will recast again anyways
you first interrupt, then stun, to gain time back in order to have interrupt
if you say this is wrong, then the top warrior is also wrong for that
It doesnt achieve anything, you lost a Global, and made then pull ten times harder.
tardy lark
Ur getting 1 guyed aag
Im mostly just trolling him since all he does is complain and push blame away
inner shadow
right. When everything I said so far I was not wrong about
But act childish
makes sense
clever path
psure thats because u deleted like 20 messages no?
inner shadow
psure thats because u deleted like 20 messages no?
Nope, the childish act was from start, then i just deleted everything cuz i cba
radiant plank
eternal sundial
pallid field
Anyone knows if hand of justice trinket from brd counts as and extra swing and can trigger procs etc. ?
radiant plank
@inner shadow stop gooning in Evas chat wtf
tardy lark
who tf is eva
tardy lark
gottem
radiant plank
who tf is eva
pilavs twitch mod
tardy lark
bro if that is someones claim to fame, im in the wrong timeline
radiant plank
Good timeline
inner shadow
<@907639681741639690> stop gooning in Evas chat wtf
first time i go on her stream
insane
eternal sundial
bro if that is someones claim to fame, im in the wrong timeline
Pilav is my femboi hero
inner shadow
<@907639681741639690> stop gooning in Evas chat wtf
also tf is gooning
eternal sundial
eternal sundial
also tf is gooning
Bro is 50
radiant plank
my goat
radiant plank
its the Pauck effect
inner shadow
im p sure he like showed his groin during that stream
i was half asleep but im p sure he liked try to flex or sm shit and he "accidentally" showed his groin
hopefully doesn't end like the pillow story
twitch seems to be loving him this time around
radiant plank
Wjeres the
inner shadow
?
radiant plank
radiant plank
@eternal sundial do u have smolderon clip with the guys boxers with dong
inner shadow
THATS INSANE
eternal sundial
https://x.com/N_Tys26/status/1726750731749953680
And then 800 pulls cbt
Tindralus
radiant plank
was a horrifying fight
radiant plank
had so many p3 wipes
steel shard
idk who thought that would be a fun and interesting mechanic
kil jaden Armageddon vibes
Just hard to be hard
dogshit mechanic overall
lost saffron
Was fun for the world first guilds
Just because it’s not fun for you doesn’t mean it’s not fun for others
radiant plank
only people who enjoyed it was Liquid and only cuz they got WF on it
if they got 2nd they woulda called it the worst boss of times
lost saffron
And it was nerfed afterwards
lost saffron
Doubt anyone who progressed that boss would call it a bad boss
Early that is
From a pure progression standpoint the boss was lots of fun
steel shard
lol
i mean some people get enjoyment from feeling pain
Just because some people find enjoyment does not mean the overall consensus is that it is a fun and engaging boss
lost saffron
You mean the people who never got to see the boss in that iteration?
What does that matter
xD
lost saffron
I personally think the fight was fun later on in farm due to the fixes
steel shard
the soaking seed mechanic is just a lazy way to make something hard
just make a very hard pass/fail mechanic happen every 1min
wow interesting fight
lost saffron
Mythic is supposed to be more difficult
not everyone is supposed to clear it
even if it gets made easier
steel shard
You dont understand what i am saying
lost saffron
and its a second to last boss
steel shard
It just a badly designed boss
undone flower
just make a very hard pass/fail mechanic happen every 1min
Isn’t every main mechs in myth a pass/fail thing ?
eternal sundial
Tindral was rlly bad if the ppl u play with are bad
lost saffron
Was gonna say
Can you tell me a mechanic that is better
that is not essentially a fail check?
eternal sundial
Better than seeds?
I personally liked raz sparks in p2 with the wave a lot but that's still kinda miss 1 and perish
Though you had more counterplay with spampurge
lost saffron
Thats just a people fail interrupts check
undone flower
I didn’t do that boss, when you say seed it reminds me of xymox in Nathria lel
lost saffron
essentially no difference to seeds
eternal sundial
(i did not play 4 stack version)
eternal sundial
essentially no difference to seeds
It's just more lenient ye
steel shard
essentially no difference to seeds
😂
eternal sundial
I didn’t do that boss, when you say seed it reminds me of xymox in Nathria lel
You are missing out on one of the bosses of all time
lost saffron
you have to press another button to interrupt
undone flower
You are missing out on one of the bosses of all time
Not really mind, didn’t play DF a lot for a reason, glad I can read your thoughts tho
lost saffron
oh damn i kicked 2 sparks
Exactly
so can you tell me something you find more enjoyable?
That is not a difficulty check
or rather
it can be
steel shard
no i solo soaked as a dk
undone flower
I enjoy ovinax eggs break, am I a freak ?
lost saffron
I dont think a boss that is made trivial by stacking a certain class is better design wise
than a soak
steel shard
I dont think a boss that is made trivial by stacking a certain class is better d...
it was not trivial but sure
idk when you did it
but the dps check was still a real thing
eternal sundial
@lost saffron are seeds akin to 2 stack court orb in concept
undone flower
What is that, I’m on court with my guild
lost saffron
it is the everything is a sandwich connundrum
you can make everything a "its just a seed soak"
eternal sundial
it is the everything is a sandwich connundrum
Or a calzone
eternal sundial
you can make everything a "its just a seed soak"
Technically the portals on ansurek are that
Run some place if run wrong die
eternal sundial
What is that, I’m on court with my guild
The balls on mythic
lost saffron
yes
eternal sundial
Red and blue
undone flower
Yes but what about that specifically ?
eternal sundial
They are similar to the seeds kinda
(you have to run into something specific)
eternal sundial
Bro fyrakk seeds was great
steel shard
But the soaking seeds one is just bad ddesign
eternal sundial
I also liked i1 once the wa wasnt fucked
lost saffron
the seed on fyrakk is basically
undone flower
Idk, like I said, when you say seeds I remember xymox Nathria since I didn’t do DF mythic
eternal sundial
Idk, like I said, when you say seeds I remember xymox Nathria since I didn’t do...
Ye its more of a convo and ppl who did it mad high wr and me 
eternal sundial
instead of stand in stuff
Wow is that isnt it
Stand together or alone
Go here or do not go here
lost saffron
Yeees!!
south kayak
sub still expiring in 1 month?
lost saffron
fuuuck everything in the game is the same
undone flower
Is it the seed you need to pop to survive some mech but if you get hit by something it pops it ? I just did the hm version
eternal sundial
Is it the seed you need to pop to survive some mech but if you get hit by someth...
Yea
But on mythic they split into bad seeds
U also couldnt explode
And u couldnt hold perma so u had to swap em
steel shard
you get a stacking dot the longer you hold a bad one
so you cant have it for to long
undone flower
So it’s soak that thing and don’t slack or you wipe the raid ?
steel shard
but if you let it stay on the ground for to long it just kills the whole raid
eternal sundial
So it’s soak that thing and don’t slack or you wipe the raid ?
It's still the same seed from heroic
Just a ton more
Ye the bad seeds aoe the raid xdd
steel shard
just needed people to rotate picking up bad seeds
Like alot of people like kil´jaden
but i think its a horrible fight
armageddon is a trash mechanic
forced to race change to goblin is bad fight design
undone flower
When you tell it, it doesn’t seems that bad, what was happening around to be hard, like having 8 people to do smth or wipe is not uncommon
eternal sundial
When you tell it, it doesn’t seems that bad, what was happening around to be har...
It was fun
But hard
Cuz of all the other shit and terrorism with blaze
steel shard
if the same mechanic is repeated during the whole fight thats just soak this or wipe every 1 min
it just means they ran out of ideas
and just put that shit in to make the boss last longer
steel shard
thats why
people like p1
the beams is a interesting mechanic to figure out a pattern to dodge them
lost saffron
Hard disagree
undone flower
They were scripted Beams? Or a way to bait them ?
lost saffron
You can bait the position
steel shard
I like hard but fair not hard and rng
steel shard
atleast when 1 person dies to the beam you dont full wipe
lost saffron
On early prog it was more of a if someone dies to first few beams
you wipe it
(ofc when you are in killrange)
later on you can just have someone be perma dead and still kill the boss
even during prog
undone flower
you can still keep going to see more of the fight
Like the ansurek fix where dead people doesn’t count ?
undone flower
I did one
steel shard
with how they dumpster bosses after 1 month
i member doing raz p1 before all the nerfs and after
not the same fight at all
not even close
if they want to make stuff hard
dont fucking nerf them 1000 times after
undone flower
Bahamut i think it’s the name of the dragon
undone flower
I guess that’s why I never pursue to do another one
steel shard
in a sense it gets nerfed overtime with new spells and sit
eternal sundial
I do like the way they "nerf" raid with the finery
steel shard
I do like the way they "nerf" raid with the finery
yea it just passivly get nerfed the next expansion cinda
lost saffron
The issue with ultimates in wow is
lost saffron
Nobody would do them since they would just give cosmetics
undone flower
I do like the way they "nerf" raid with the finery
Wdym, they nerf like they always did but you get a buff too now
lost saffron
you cant lock good loot behind bosses that difficult
steel shard
you cant lock good loot behind bosses that difficult
ofc not
i want mythic raiding to be entirely cosmetic
steel shard
Loot has lost its value anyhow
lost saffron
How so?
steel shard
but we have the issue of wow being 20man
while ff is 8
i want 10man to be the standard
undone flower
Loot is garbage in ff14
steel shard
Loot is garbage in ff14
just like wow imo
lost saffron
Loot in ff is essentially just means to an end
steel shard
same in wow
lost saffron
you just get it thrown after you
steel shard
exact same
lost saffron
Yes indeed
steel shard
while ff14 is more deterministic
since you can just buy it with a currency if you get anlaki
lost saffron
while I agree that the loot system in wow is absolute garbage
I dont want mythic to be entirely cosmetic
I still think hard content should give the best gear
steel shard
while cosmetics holds a long term effect
not mythic
i want ultimates
mythic should still be a thing
undone flower
just like wow imo
It’s just worse, pre-raid Bis (savage) is ALWAYS the same one (didn’t play for a while), savage loot is ALWAYS BIS
steel shard
but ultimates is where the real hardships should be
steel shard
You said you want mythic to be entirely cosmetic
yes
but it will never work like that
i know that
steel shard
like how old pvp sets are cool
and still holds value
i want the mythic raid sets to go away
lost saffron
I am all for something like ultimates which only have cosmetic things
steel shard
after the tier is over
but yea i want wow pve to have a more cosmetic endgame than power based
because loot means fuck all anymore
undone flower
Can we have both ?
steel shard
the hamster wheel is just now rewarding enough anymore
mythic raiding is a joke of what you get out of it
eternal sundial
i want the mythic raid sets to go away
Ye but what if u just never drop 1 item and cant complete set
steel shard
1000 times the effort to be slightly ahead of a +10 weekly gamer
eternal sundial
Or do u want stuff like TOV set
steel shard
Ye but what if u just never drop 1 item and cant complete set
you would get it from the CE
achiev
anyhow gonna grab a bus brb
undone flower
1000 times the effort to be slightly ahead of a +10 weekly gamer
The weekly +10 gamer willnever have full myth track item (maybe this week yet? If they start fresh)
Like how many weekly vaults we have left
lost saffron
because loot means fuck all anymore
It does not though
Loot is still very relevant in the game
eternal sundial
If 4/8 was less puggable mythic raid andies would prolly feel better
lost saffron
You need a certail level of gear to complete some aspects of the game
I think its fine like how it is right now
the early bosses never matter anyways
But people who are getting stuck on ovinax cuz they are bad are frustrated
undone flower
I know a guild who decided to switch to Kyvesa after 10 ovinax pulls and disbanded lel
steel shard
Lmao
undone flower
After 150+ kyvesa pulls
lost saffron
I think you should get the best gear with the hardest content
But I think the lootsystem in wow has way too much rng
undone flower
150+ p1 kyvesa pulls*
lost saffron
but I would also enjoy something like an ultimate
lost saffron
where you have a really hard fight that only gives cosmetics
undone flower
2/3/9 should becomes the norm
lost saffron
uunat was a great boss
steel shard
Yea
undone flower
I agree 20 is too much but 8 is too low I think
steel shard
Like the wow mythic scene would be alot more alive if it was 10man
lost saffron
Probably
undone flower
Raid would be easier but who cares
steel shard
But blizzard has shot themselves In the foot on how they go about designing specs in the game
steel shard
They want them all to have different damage profiles and such be diverse on where they excel
steel shard
But with how many specs wow has
10man would be hard to balance
You can assume you have some Diversity in 20
But not 10
steel shard
Yea you would have to
lost saffron
because classes would have to cover more bases
steel shard
That's why I think wow will never get 10man
undone flower
if 10 man was the meta
And will have to gkick a lot of melee players
lost saffron
Im not really sure what would be better fun wise
I think im having more fun personally in a larger raid size
but I understand its frustrating the worse you go in world rank
x
D
because you are bound to have to take absolute shitters
undone flower
I think they should do a test small 10 man raid to see
undone flower
Because I’m clueless on what is a 10 man fight, idk if I want that or don’t
steel shard
If they do not reduce raid size
Imo
It is already dwindling
If you want to make really hard content it should be easy to be able to actually start it
Not hard to organise and then hard to complete
That's how you demoralise people from doing it
clever path
I mean if you wanna go off pure numbers of people doing content, m plus has had a huge dip in comparison to raid this xpac. Like insanely so compared to past xpacs
undone flower
If you want to make really hard content it should be easy to be able to actually...
I think that’s m+ before, the thing you are talking about
The pre myth raid thing you do before going in myth
steel shard
I mean if you wanna go off pure numbers of people doing content, m plus has had ...
People get geared and stop playing
undone flower
People stop playing before getting gear
lost saffron
takes you way longer to get max geared
undone flower
People play 1-3 months then stop because honeymoon period of the patch is over
clever path
I mean the biggest issue to me is with keys becoming harder faster with the level crunch on them, people became more picky than they already were before. But that’s just going off how much I’ve been declined or passed over compared to past seasons. Even with a score around 2600
lost saffron
2600 is nothing
You are signing up you are instantly at the bottom
because there is 100 people with higher score signing
Its just competition based
so the people who cant or dont want to compete get pissed
Thats the inherent flaw of a score based system
unreal onyx
I am only „pushing“ keys to be able to do weeklies relatively easy for the rest of the xpac
I have no real interest in having a higher io
Let me do 10s and not wait 30min for an invite
lost saffron
I try to avoid pugs as much as possible
because the keys are a paaain
the people who do 10s now
undone flower
I think 3k1 is the Rio now i usually take for weekly vaults, under it’s all the same lvl
lost saffron
chances are you got 1 or 2 bots in your key
unreal onyx
Some keys are demonic, but most of my weekly pugs are fine
lost saffron
Most of my solo keys are demonic