depends on what kind of player you are tbh. top players can refine themselves each pull
#fury
clever belfry
depends on what kind of player you are tbh. top players can refine themselves ea...
eh no
if you stretched the same prog time out over more weeks and got 6h days
theyd kill the boss in less prog time
exhaustion is a factor, and denying that is silly
sudden tusk
i dont deny that at all
but they still get more out of those 12 hours then most would
chrome plover
for sure
sudden tusk
it does help a teeny tiney bit that they have an entire weak aura and analyst team
just a tiny teeny intsy weentsy bit
chrome plover
at this point after like 3.5 hours of straight raiding im probably getting worse
sudden tusk
environemnt is also dif
chrome plover
yeah true i do work full time and have other things going on
sudden tusk
they start their day raiding. lotta people start it with 6-8 hrs of work
chrome plover
maybe if i was full focus on raiding and in a room with the boysi
it'd be different
sudden tusk
playing full time is a really weird spot to be in
becuase you get REALLY fucking good
but if you cant find a sponsor its over
south kayak
at this point after like 3.5 hours of straight raiding im probably getting worse
Yeah I would definitely be getting worse too
clever belfry
live in eastern euro country
play for liquid
sudden tusk
happened to me in overwatch had to re get a job to pay bills and got worse
clever belfry
youre decently well off 👍
sudden tusk
lets say the salary is 2k a month
clever belfry
even without streamer infusion
sudden tusk
i could live off that in NA rn
clever belfry
yeah highly depends where u live ofc
sudden tusk
but my town is a tiny town with good internet
clever belfry
just like streamers pulling 100k a year
then moving to LA
and then complain about being poor
sudden tusk
it took me like 6 hours to catch up with all this felcycle secret shit from scratch
pet battles must suffer
south kayak
I haven’t started it yet 
sudden tusk
there are multiple steps that require some very unique toys to complete
sudden tusk
no heres the thing
if other people complete it while you are next to it you get credit
so the earlier you start it the more people will be doing it
and you can get credit for stuff even without those items
south kayak
Maybe I have them
chrome plover
pet battles must suffer
i have like 5 or 6 "op" pets that can just do any pet battle i try to do
and pretty sure i bought them from ah like 10 years ago
sudden tusk
theres only 1 step that REQUIRES you to pet battle
and not only do they require you to pet battle the require specific pets you can only get from secrets or hidden event
clever belfry
surely u got some super nerd friend
sudden tusk
theres a small list i was able to farm them all myself without much trouble
clever belfry
who can lend u the pets?
sudden tusk
cant lend unique or quest based pets
clever belfry
game is balls g
sudden tusk
they arent hard to get though
oblique trail
sudden tusk
2 can be gotten in drustvar vary easily
south kayak
What are they
south kayak
<:balls:1286795983258386474>
Is that Anakin
south kayak
Are you guys gonna play poe 2
sudden tusk
Tap Taf, Wicker pup (both can be farmed within like 15 minutes in drustvar) and then i did a questline in dragonflight to get the last one (also didnt take too long)
oblique trail
I found a workaround, which is called rollback 15 minutes of gameplay where you mass sorted your inventory and other tedious things, and killed a bunch of guys, then it worked after retriggering the quest flag 👍
polar narwhal
Are you guys gonna play poe 2
hesitant because backed by Tencent
sudden tusk
i did however need 140 pet charms to get them to 25 and make 2 of them rare
south kayak
hesitant because backed by Tencent
Huh
oblique trail
I have now finished the game after 40 hours total playtime and already started 2nd playthrough
south kayak
What does that have to do with the game
polar narwhal
Tencent, sorry.
sudden tusk
tencent has fingers in literally everything
south kayak
^
clever belfry
some people just have principles like that
sudden tusk
you cant get away from it
south kayak
Isn’t tencent on WoW too
south kayak
Ok
clever belfry
theyre business partners conducting wow in mainland china
unreal onyx
Counter Strike has Perfect world for that too
sudden tusk
poe 2 is gonna own
clever belfry
semi planned economy and such.
chrome plover
god im so excited
south kayak
I doubt Tencent has any say in how poe 2 plays
unreal onyx
Chinese company sublicensing the game to be able to have access to it in china I think
south kayak
chrome plover
nothing fills me with joy anymore until poe2 comes out
clever belfry
I doubt Tencent has any say in how poe 2 plays
not the point
chrome plover
I doubt Tencent has any say in how poe 2 plays
they are quite disconnected from decisionmaking most of the time
they just own most of it
polar narwhal
I will probably try it out, because we can fulfill more Fury Warrior fantasy in it, but not spending money on it.
chrome plover
and can do what they want with it at any point
south kayak
You don’t have to
sudden tusk
still VERY funny NA somehow got an extra reset of hall of fame
unreal onyx
I doubt Tencent has any say in how poe 2 plays
They can censor certain elements iirc
sudden tusk
there has to be like an extra 150 guilds in
chrome plover
still VERY funny NA somehow got an extra reset of hall of fame
EU did too
saw a guild get hof last night while we were raiding
sudden tusk
mickey mouse tier
south kayak
I will probably try it out, because we can fulfill more Fury Warrior fantasy in ...
Titans grip 
south kayak
I mean can you really fulfill fury warrior fantasy in poe 2? Seems more like arms, big weapon slams and slow attacks
Not very fast
chrome plover
the beauty of poe is that you can do what you like
south kayak
I didn’t see bladestorm ability
chrome plover
play double strike + stack attack speed with titans grip and you're a fury warrior
south kayak
Literally unplayable
south kayak
In 2?
chrome plover
permanent bladestorm
south kayak
Cyclone is such a shit name for it
chrome plover
there's like 300 skills btw
oblique trail
I don't think they've revealed remotely all the skills yet in PoE 2
south kayak
Name it whirlwind or something
oblique trail
And Cyclone definitely is gonna be in it, considering how popular it was
south kayak
Cyclone reminds me druid spell more
chrome plover
not even 1/3
sudden tusk
I feel like even though its gonna have PoE Depth
south kayak
All classes can use all spells right
oblique trail
Yes
sudden tusk
the slower pace is gonna REALLY resonate with people
chrome plover
All classes can use all spells right
outside of ascendancy skills, yes
there may be uniques that offer those too
sudden tusk
i still like PoE 1 but fuck man that game is eye explosion
chrome plover
we dont know much yet
south kayak
i still like PoE 1 but fuck man that game is eye explosion
I agree
chrome plover
i still like PoE 1 but fuck man that game is eye explosion
my 5800x couldnt handle my most recent poe1 build, i had to sub to nvidia cloud gaming thing
to play the game
south kayak
I played a few seasons but I never really get to endgame and quit before
chrome plover
we have seen very little poe2 endgame at this point and with some of the skill combos there's definitely gonna be a lot of eyecancer
south kayak
sour frigate
chrome plover
but it looks way nicer and should be more optimised 
sudden tusk
def gonna be interesting to see the crafting in poe 2
south kayak
Optimized
chrome plover
i really like the crafting changes
sudden tusk
Crafting is by far the highest knowledge check in poe 1
chrome plover
it's gonna be much simpler
south kayak
Crafting wasn’t changed much was it? Just a lot more frequent orb drops
chrome plover
yes it was changed a TON
oblique trail
It was changed by quite a bit
south kayak
I can’t remember right now
oblique trail
It seems a lot more deterministic than it was before
chrome plover
Crafting wasn’t changed much was it? Just a lot more frequent orb drops
but i know that you didnt make it to endgame much so probably didnt interact with much of the crafting systems in poe1
south kayak
I’m gonna watch the crafting section again
chrome plover
there's no fossils, essences reworked, crafting bench is still a ?
south kayak
but i know that you didnt make it to endgame much so probably didnt interact wit...
I probably didn’t
south kayak
there's no fossils, essences reworked, crafting bench is still a ?
What’s the essence rework
oblique trail
The essence change alone is very good imo
chrome plover
probably no eldritch crafting, veiled crafting(?)
we dont know so much of end game systems still
oblique trail
Would make me happy on its own
chrome plover
100%
moving one step towards last epoch crafting and im a huge fan of the crafting system in that game
sudden tusk
What’s the essence rework
basically you can use essences like regal orbs
sudden tusk
so you can roll with a low Essence for like Movespeed/res
then build off it with higher essences like crafting currency
chrome plover
dropping a good blue item with life + res and slamming a big essence on it
sudden tusk
instead of it rerolling the whole thing
chrome plover
yeah
and also not having to worry about your god damn 4 link
after act 3
and dropping 10 billion upgrades that you cant use because thats ur 4link
and you have no jewelers/chromes
sudden tusk
i dont remember the link changes
chrome plover
god im so hyped just for that
chrome plover
i dont remember the link changes
gem links arent tied to gear at all
sudden tusk
oooh yeah i forgot
chrome plover
it's a completely separate system
chrome plover
so u never have to sit on a giga dogshit 4 link for like 8 acts
you will be picking up upgrades almost every zone
sudden tusk
you know what i im stolked about
the fact that remix is a thing
means ill be able to get every tmog outside of elite sets (just put them in blizzard why)
and i just have to wait
chrome plover
i need to rewatch the presentation
pretty sure ive watched the ascendancies section about 10x
south kayak
Are glacial runes new
tardy lark
gemling thingy looks giga cool
chrome plover
The one that gives you socket resistance
yeah
so gear has sockets, but those are for extra stats
chrome plover
all slots have 1 socket, apart from chest/2h which have 2
for things like this
so titans grip gets 2 extra sockets
tardy lark
and then corrupting shit can give them more
chrome plover
yes
sudden tusk
yeah it just lets you tune your resistances
south kayak
Full chaos resistance sockets 
chrome plover
vaal orbs are gonna be goated
sudden tusk
depending on your rolls
chrome plover
gemling thingy looks giga cool
and yea gemling legionanire looks crazy for just raw power
and the other one looks crazy for bosses
up to 30% on first hit AND cull
tardy lark
bosses only have 60% hp
chrome plover
but im scared it's gonna encourage reseting a boss until you hit a 30%, i hope it doesnt work like that
tardy lark
but i heard people talk about scaling culling
chrome plover
yeah so cull on uniques is 5% but there's a bunch of +culling strike threshold on the tree
chrome plover
i saw 2 nodes with 25% so your 5% would be like 7.5%?
chrome plover
is more of the ascendancy stuff out?
dreamcore had a video of some of the tree he yoinked when he played in LA
tardy lark
really interested in pathfinder and the merc ascendancies
chrome plover
im completely clueless on what i wanna play
and i will end up changing my mind in character select so no point deciding
tardy lark
imma do blood mage thingy, merc or pathfinder
tardy lark
but i think i'd want an ascendance with some immediate power, so gemling is kind of out
as well as pathfinder it seems
nah, PoE is not really a melee friendly game lol
summer quail
i think poe 2 will be alot more melee friendly
i'm prob gonna try lifestacking bloodmage tho
chrome plover
i think poe 2 will be alot more melee friendly
did u play this league?
melee changes went super hard
chrome plover
but i think i'd want an ascendance with some immediate power, so gemling is kind...
yeah agree
but witchhunter might be that
then respec gemling later
tardy lark
I'd argue melee changes went hard if you already know the game. You still kinda just die to the same shit melee has issues with
summer quail
did u play this league?
nahh, i hate like basebuilding and shit like that. not played poe properly for many leagues now, very few recent leagues have interested me
tardy lark
that said, i've played Lightning Strike 3 times over. Settlers, private settlers, and necrosettlers lol
chrome plover
I'd argue melee changes went hard if you already know the game. You still kinda ...
oh maybe yea#
bleed league start was insane
and ls is probably the least melee melee
tardy lark
yeah sort of
i played warden first time around
slayer this mickey mouse league
slayer is infinitely more comfy
but holy fk warden has a lot of damage
chrome plover
the one where you dont even use normal ls
jade cipher
Honestly this runed Crest is such a bullshit, i dont want to do +6 on my alt
i have many gilded and no runed
chrome plover
it was so fun but yeah i spent maybe a mirror on it
and then another mirror on dagger i never finished
tardy lark
did you do 12link setup or however much it was
chrome plover
classic
yea
i was legit recombinating daggers for like 10 hours a day it was horrible
and then wow came out and i stopped playing
summer quail
i'm a bit sad druid isn't available, the gameplay looked really fun. the lava+bearstomp combo very satisfying
chrome plover
yeah true and i wonder if the skills from unreleased classes will be unavailable too
summer quail
in a way i hope not, i'm sure there will be plenty of skills at the start. if you wait for some skills the hype will continue to build
chrome plover
yeah that's fair
tardy lark
from the gameplay they showed on the 21st, only really merc and monk seems like they have feeling to it
dont like the slams from warrior or whatever it is
tardy lark
slams and totems can die silently somewhere
south kayak
Real
summer quail
i think acolyte of chayula monk will be a very safe choice
south kayak
slams and totems can die silently somewhere
As a warrior I mostly want some berserker archetype
With fast attacks etc
chrome plover
i like slams 
tardy lark
the way warrior feels in wow just doesnt translate to arpgs to me
tardy lark
nah elementalist way cooler, but bloodmommy coolest
chrome plover
i know that my gf will wanna play infernalist so i wont step on her toes there
summer quail
With fast attacks etc
that's kinda monk in poe2 i think. except no facetanking and more dodging
south kayak
Idk I haven’t really seen anything that makes me go Wow with monk
I like infernalist
And maybe some sorc spells
chrome plover
monk just looks giga smooth and fast
south kayak
Mercenary looks fun
summer quail
or maybe you can facetank just fine with acolyte of chayula and mind over matter
tardy lark
i dont like how theres hard collision on your frost walls as monk
even though it makes sense and has gameplay impact by shattering them
chrome plover
creep block can die in every game tbh
south kayak
i know that my gf will wanna play infernalist so i wont step on her toes there
Can’t go wrong with transforming into a demon
summer quail
and i think stormweaver is gonna be cracked. like this just seems insane no?
chrome plover
yea
south kayak
What does that mean
chrome plover
2 shocks is very interesting
south kayak
What does shock do
chrome plover
What does that mean
shock is a +damage taken debuff that can only be applied by lightning damage
shaper of storms makes it so you can apply shock with any damage type
chrome plover
and there can only be 1 instance of shock at a time (say, 30% from a big hit)
south kayak
Crackling
chrome plover
with strike twice you could maybe have 2x 30% shocks
we dont know numbers tho so my 30% is random
south kayak
tardy lark
how to inflate PoB numbers 101
tardy lark
"this build easily reaches 50% shock" kek
south kayak
tardy lark
actually how do you make monkey in a league @chrome plover
south kayak
What
tardy lark
monkey = money
warm crag
are chaos orbs still the same in poe 2?
south kayak
I’m indecisive
tardy lark
no clue yet
warm crag
iirc they were experimenting with changing them
tardy lark
probably not even playing on 6th dec
south kayak
I don’t remember seeing anything with chaos orbs
tardy lark
cause exam the 20th
south kayak
What do they do again
chrome plover
actually how do you make monkey in a league <@173228061074915329>
recent leagues it's go t17 asap, then use a big pack size strat to farm either scarabs or 8 mod corrupted maps in t17 fortress (best map early because yoke is so expensive) both strats were insanely profitable this league, just depends how you wanna sell (bulk maps in tft vs bulk scarabs in tft vs scarabs at faustus)
this is how i had original sin on day 5
south kayak
recent leagues it's go t17 asap, then use a big pack size strat to farm either s...
I have no idea what you just said
tardy lark
thats what im usually aiming for as well, although im a day or 2 late on the big payouts of that
chrome plover
bascially finished levelling on friday night, go to bed, fresh day clear atlas on saturday and then t17s late saturday/early sunday
spend all your money on build until t17s are comfy
south kayak
What does chaos orb do
tardy lark
i feel like t17s can be comfy on nearly every build if rolled properly
chrome plover
What does chaos orb do
rerolls all stats on an item completely randomly
south kayak
Sounds bad
chrome plover
i feel like t17s can be comfy on nearly every build if rolled properly
the less you have to roll it the better though
south kayak
tardy lark
the less you have to roll it the better though
ofc
south kayak
rerolls all stats on an item completely randomly
So that’s entirely rng? Sounds meh
tardy lark
if i juice bosses too hard in t17s i cant clear them while breezing through trash
so its a balancing thing
south kayak
I saw something about juicing maps in 2
What do you farm to juice maps
I can’t remember
tardy lark
So that’s entirely rng? Sounds meh
if you have a good base, its sometimes worth to chaos spam
south kayak
Ok
tardy lark
in poe2 its tablets or some shit
tardy lark
scarabs, explicit map modifiers in atlas tree map crafting option basically
chrome plover
So that’s entirely rng? Sounds meh
it’s used for a lot of crafting recipes too so it’s very wanted
tardy lark
along with ofc juicing quality and rolling maps for specific things
chrome plover
it’s also the main currency under divine orbs used for trading
south kayak
Chawie helped me a lot with poe 1 
tardy lark
specifically relevant for t17s
tardy lark
i for once actually crafted stuff just to sell this mini league
chrome plover
before t17s I was a league start rog enjoyer
profit crafting scares me I don’t like having so many divines tied up in potential sales
tardy lark
betrayal -> exped -> harvest is best leaguestart
chrome plover
my friend often has multiple hundred divine crafts for sale and monkas
tardy lark
it was a bad strat with such a small playerbase for the league
chrome plover
harvest is also mega fun it just rains essence
tardy lark
actually 0 market for anything
chrome plover
harvest juice whatever it’s called
Did juiced harvest in t17 for a bit it was crazy
chrome plover
actually 0 market for anything
ah…
yeah I did up to like tier 5 maps and quit
I think a lot of people did
tardy lark
yeah no real changes so nothing new to do
chrome plover
that locus mines league start was insane tho
chrome plover
yeah
chrome plover
i still *really* despise what they did to uber bosses
yep same
it’s not good at all
tardy lark
having uber bosses be -profit even over large sample sizes is an actual atrocity with how good the bosses are
south kayak
I’m confused
chrome plover
What they do
Uber boss entry tokens drop from tier 17 maps and you need 5 to attempt the Uber boss
tardy lark
and t17s are infinitely harder (mostly) than uber bosses
chrome plover
yeah
any build that can clear a t17 can probably kill an Uber boss without seeing many mechanics lmao
tardy lark
t17 maps have a low ish droprate and drop 2 shards pr map and scale in hella weird ways with the atlas tree
while uber bosses dont scale with anything and are hard to get to and only have a low chance of dropping something useful
chrome plover
Not in poe 2
whole map system is different
tardy lark
10d investment to do uber maven
chrome plover
not really a place for t17s at least at first
chrome plover
10d investment to do uber maven <:deadge:900279927138578432>
it’s grim
not worth doing unless you wanna commit to 100
and even then maybe not
it’s just gamba with extra steps
tardy lark
have you seen the reddit posts with people doing 800+ uber eater and lost 700 div or some shit
chrome plover
I have made a shit ton on Uber mavens in my career though
only one awakened exceptional gem and it was enlighten
chrome plover
i used to run a ton of 4x shaper guardians > invitation
save up a ton of uber shapers/uber mavens
and then spam them all
it was a fun little routine
warm crag
have you seen the reddit posts with people doing 800+ uber eater and lost 700 di...
only has like 1 item thats good and fleshes are only good if u giga jackpot them at that scale or
idk its good that they seperated uber from regular but they should not have put all the interesting items on the uber fight and called it a day
summer quail
hmhh
tardy lark
only has like 1 item thats good and fleshes are only good if u giga jackpot them...
its just a gamble for nimis really
warm crag
idk as much good as that company does it then decides to creatively make the worst decision known to man
it's always "yes, but" for them
tardy lark
i just think its a mistake to call t17s ladder content before ubers when ubers are much less profitable but jarringly expensive to run
warm crag
it was a fair enough jab at ladder content
but it immediately failed day 3 of necro and instead of fixing it they doubled down on it shrug
tardy lark
yeah i mean, them doubling down for necro i get - economic impact and whatnot. But them still being this gatekeepy during settlers is wild to me
chrome plover
hmhh
yep theyre gonna be staggered releaseing all of them
not just 6 all of early access
i love ggg but they do make some 
decisions and then stick to their guns
or completely dont stick to their guns and repeatedly fuck economy players
summer quail
yep theyre gonna be staggered releaseing all of them
druid first is pretty hype tho
chrome plover
yeah for sure
not seen much of huntress but i like the spear vibes
could be cool
summer quail
never played d2 but i heard it's kinda like amazoness
chrome plover
me either
tardy lark
give me javazon 1:1 and ill be a happy man
chrome plover
poe was my first diablo-like (hilarious meme iykyk)
summer quail
maan poe has come such a long way, first tried it in 2013. it was not good
tardy lark
cinema
love how LlamaSC just posts a video called "how poe2 BURIED diablo" or some shit
warm crag
Diablo is DEAD?
royal patio
i feel like t17s can be comfy on nearly every build if rolled properly
played earthshatter in settlers (didn't bother with necro settlers) because it was buffed and rolling with 2 diff regexes aint fun not good content
way more fun to load up the trickster and run most mods
warm crag
slams looked so cool past league
fading sky
D1 again was darker than d2
royal patio
ye was my first time playing slams since forever, think last time i played slam was heist in gauntlet
chrome plover
yeah t17 double regex is so cringe i just regexed big loot and eyeballed that shit
warm crag
d3 made it cartoony. d4 added nothing
d4 felt good and that was enough for me gladge
chrome plover
piano slams pog
fading sky
d4 felt good and that was enough for me gladge
WAS? i mean if u are done allready
tardy lark
yeah t17 double regex is so cringe i just regexed big loot and eyeballed that sh...
regex the loot mods you want and check for relfect mod then just yolo
chrome plover
exactly
warm crag
i didnt play it i watched a bud play it and him just pressing slam and the entire screen is a mist of red was so satisfying
warm crag
WAS? i mean if u are done allready
i mean ye it was in the past i am not currently playing it or any arpg
tardy lark
D4 was good and probably still is, but it just feels a little empty compared to poe
fading sky
and the whole multi thing into higher tiers made my quit
royal patio
i don't regret trying out slams but going mana man and farm boxes or smth wouldve been a lot faster proccess
fading sky
for me Diablo is supposed to be simple funi dno
tardy lark
i think ice nova hiero is the most op i've felt with a little investment
was much less gradual than my ls slayer this league
warm crag
i don't regret trying out slams but going mana man and farm boxes or smth wouldv...
archmage hiero was so fun but i also havent played that archetype before
warm crag
i think ice nova hiero is the most op i've felt with a little investment
nothing will get over the coc dd fiesta in necro
tardy lark
i played warden LS and insta died if stuff lived past my 3 tinctures lol
chrome plover
nothing will get over the coc dd fiesta in necro
so true
tardy lark
did not want to play obvious broken build
chrome plover
I league started retaliation skills in settlers
summer quail
I league started retaliation skills in settlers
not played those before, they fun?
fierce tapir
I used to main warrior a few expansion ago, how are we feeling right now in the game
summer quail
fury feels very good, arms is a mess
fierce tapir
What’s our damage numbers looking like?
radiant plank
small
summer quail
in raid top tier. decent in m+ but nothing special
fierce tapir
Aight thank you
chrome plover
not played those before, they fun?
they were fun and felt very strong early-mid game
pretty annoying in t17s though lots of mods you straight up cant do
because you have to get hit, especially by the boss, to use your skills
and the boss that slows you every time he hits you in fortress... yeah it was just kinda aids
i was doing them pretty comfortably but switched to lacerate and had a way better time
summer quail
yea that does sound pretty annoying, but i assume the retaliate hit slaps
tardy lark
screen clear
high wagon
When using Berserker's Torment, does casting Both Recklessness and Avatar add duration or do we stagger the second cast?
summer quail
both adds duration
high wagon
So we just macro them together, yes?
tardy lark
very few reasons not to outside ovinax
summer quail
you can, but should have a separate reck keybind
warm crag
can ye, maybe not so you dont get a bad habit for another design iteration where you dont want them macroed
high wagon
very few reasons not to outside ovinax
Yeah that's our progress rn and that's why I'm switching to fury but I also just wanted to ask generally, I've been staggering it on ovinax
high wagon
you can, but should have a separate reck keybind
Why?
I mean apart from when you do want to stagger on ovinax for example
unreal onyx
Not nessessarily in raid, but usually you use reck-> charge -> ramp to be enraged before using your CDs
So reck-charge-CDs afaik
But on ovinax pull I used charge-Of to get enraged and have it back for 1st adds
warm crag
there was a cooked build on court where you'd want to desync reck and avatar, exclusively having a macro that does both would make it very hard to play that cook
as everyone said you are legit fine for 99% of content with a reck ava macro but there will be outliers where you wish you'd have prepped a way to press them seperately
high wagon
there was a cooked build on court where you'd want to desync reck and avatar, ex...
Yeah fair but I was just asking for general convenience, sure there are instances in which to stagger/delay
Thanks all, been very helpful 🙂
unreal onyx
For qol you can do that, yea
summer quail
Yeah fair but I was just asking for general convenience, sure there are instance...
yea but for general convenience just have a separate reck keybind anyway then instead of having an avatar keybind just have the macro
high wagon
Fair
summer quail
if we start playing anger management next season having only the macro will most likely screw you over at some point
builds bad habits imo
high wagon
Oh yeah fair but I've been switching around a bit, I'm somewhat used to unlearning haha
unreal onyx
I think I don’t have any 2 buttons macro‘d together atm
Only macro I have is spear @player
summer quail
no ravager @player or @cursor ?
high wagon
Only macro I have is spear @player
oh but
#showtooltip Battle Shout
/cast Battle Shout
/yell Shout! Shout! Let it all out! These are the things I can do without! Come on! I'm talking to you! Come on!
unreal onyx
Oh yea rav @player too, mb
Last yell thing I used was the chinese copypasta for fyralath
big spider queen 大蜘蛛女王 interlude one 插曲一 Bloodthirsty, fast raid 嗜血、快速突袭 Warrior Spin Big Heal 战士旋转大治愈
格鲁格发现火 grug discover fire 啟動橙色棒 activate orange stick 快速狂怒 fast fury 保护贵宾 protect the VIP 移动=死亡 move=death
unreal onyx
Ravager is thane m+ yea
unreal onyx
2T raid you can kinda play whatever afaik
summer quail
Ravager is mostly just m+ build, no?
yeah but that's just coz we play slayer in raid. if we played mountian thane we would have ravager in raid
unreal onyx
But slayer raid fuck more fun
summer quail
i mean this raid for sure slayer is more fun since the raid is made for it. i prefer mountain thane in general
eternal sundial
RA thane on court kinda a vibe
unreal onyx
So m+ thane?
summer quail
tru, i do play ra thane on court prog. the no odyns version
unreal onyx
When we start court today (hopefully) I will just stick with slayer I think
unreal onyx
Whenever I have basically nothing to press, you guys think it’s worth to throw my weapon on 2nd boss court to fish for weapon enchant procs?
I also haven looked into specific builds yet, but it seems like shattering throw is a good pick for intermission on court, no?
summer quail
idk only 6% of top 100 picked up wrecking throw
errant vessel
idk only 6% of top 100 picked up wrecking throw
That’s probably a larger % than the avg though
summer quail
ofc it is, it's a boss that has a shield so it's a dps increase. the increase just doesn't seem that big
errant vessel
What do you even drop for it rn
summer quail
@chrome plover the classes being shadow and duelist
chrome plover
summer quail
so that's alot of skills, assuming it's around the same as other weapons that's like 40 skills
upper mica
i hate when logs break and you cant upload a key log >.>
fierce tapir
What hero talents are we running now? Slayer still or mountain thane
chilly fractal
For what?
sour temple
I also haven looked into specific builds yet, but it seems like shattering throw...
You’re probably stopping dps on first intermission so that damage is kinda useless there, maybe for the second one..
fierce tapir
Mythics.
chilly fractal
Mythics as in M+ or Mythics as in Mythic raid
fierce tapir
Sorry. M+
chilly fractal
Thane
sour frigate
m+ thane raid slayer
fierce tapir
Why! Is it due to the sustained aoe?
fierce tapir
Okay thank you
unreal onyx
You’re probably stopping dps on first intermission so that damage is kinda usele...
The raid might be stopping, that doesnt mean I am 
warm crag
Whenever I have basically nothing to press, you guys think it’s worth to throw m...
you're just overthinking it stop it now
!!!!
warm crag
but ye no one picks shattering throw
and i dont think you can reliably arrive at downtime on this boss to even start thinking abt throwing weapon for wep enchant procs
unreal onyx
I will most likely just not change anything from my slayer raid build and see how it goes
warm crag
go research cd lineups for the build you plan on bringing and you can do nothing wrong
warm crag
dont troll cd timings though seriously
unreal onyx
(I died on princess and got R14 bossdmg on ovinax)
warm crag
this is a boss that ideally dies before/during the final damage amp if everyone plays correctly, you don't want to arrive there and wipe cause you did zero damage
who cares abt bossdamage on ovinax lol not why you're there
warm crag
why would you get pi
unreal onyx
I‘d have to double-check but I think our uhdk gets pi
unreal onyx
No idea
warm crag
german griefers man
unreal onyx
I think he‘s frost gamer in m+ which makes even less sense then
Or uh is secret tech since he demolishes adds
Always topdmg after 1st adds
weary sail
I completed 13s and still cant get in a 10s weeklys
whole yacht
Lol
haughty cloud
Which pinned guide is best?
last sparrow
isnt PI trash for us 🤔
chrome plover
isnt PI trash for us 🤔
yes
chrome plover
Which pinned guide is best?
icy veins and wowhead are maintained by the same guy so whichever one you prefer the layout of is better
should be all the same information
summer quail
isnt PI trash for us 🤔
very much so, and hopefully it will never be good. you do not want to be a PI class
brittle crow
vanish is a stupid ability
blizz expects me to consistently press vanish -> between the eyes without stuff deaggroing?? and sometimes it just doesn't work ??
warrior is so simple compared to this
smoky vale
are you leveling outlaw?
warm crag
you can kinda queue up a bte as you vanish so it doesnt deaggro them
violet moss
Hate this spot with a fking passion
warm crag
but ye its cringe
brittle crow
you can kinda queue up a bte as you vanish so it doesnt deaggro them
ive been making sure i wait until my gcd is over then pressing them basically at the same time
i forgor if vanish is on the gcd
south kayak
It isn't
brittle crow
yea so i prob have to wait
brittle crow
are you leveling outlaw?
yea
south kayak
at least deaggroing makes mobs go to bran
smoky vale
i swear pressing anything but sinister and dispatch while something doesnt live for 5 globals is bait
while leveling
brittle crow
prob
brittle crow
bte resets make my dopamine receptors go 
brittle crow
fury discord can appreciate the wonder of the nice reset sound
outlaw mains r all used to it
childlike whimsy gone
brittle crow
im partial to my laughing skull mask
i never take it off xd
matching mask, title, and toon name
fervent yoke
This set owns <@163685735298236416>
What set is that?
narrow narwhal
Banezi hug check
south kayak
inner delta
On ovinax, what will dispel the web? BS, OF and ?
smoky vale
charge
narrow narwhal
Charge
smoky vale
you really only want to dispel with charge because you could root others around you
inner delta
Ty. My problem has been the timing of getting webs sometimes as i'm pressing BS and then fucking all of melee 😐
glacial haven
Worth taking titanic rage as Thane? Struggling to get enraged straight away in M+
smoky vale
its preference
compact gulch
are you guys getting into keys above 9s and 10s at all? what the hell is going on
eternal sundial
I say "mdi spec" and get in
compact gulch
LOL
spice solstice
I say "mdi spec" and get in
let me try
spice solstice
yo how do u know im fury
bitter palm
i forgor if vanish is on the gcd
god if it was spec would be cbt gameplay wise
brittle crow
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
bitter palm
tender crag
is thane required for high M+ keys? or can slayer perform well also?
weary sail
are you guys getting into keys above 9s and 10s at all? what the hell is going o...
People that are 2800 io (not amazing but still above average) still cannot get into weekly 10s
warm crag
just got called not amazing but still above average by skyholdians gg
modest condor
is thane required for high M+ keys? or can slayer perform well also?
depends on what you mean by high
if you want to do 15+ keys you should really play thane
below that slayer does just fine
you'll be worse ofcourse, but if you deplete it would not be because you're playing slayer
modest condor
People that are 2800 io (not amazing but still above average) still cannot get i...
yeah because there are people like me with higher io that also want to do their weeklies
+10 being the minimum to get myth track from vault really narrows the range of weekly keys
you basically only have 10 and 11
narrow narwhal
Play prot. Ez weekly invites
modest condor
i dont want to deplete tho
violet moss
How much mastery we aiming for?
jovial coral
26%
velvet canopy
How much mastery we aiming for?
All of it
past pivot
How much mastery we aiming for?
Sim your toon. Follow recommendations. Don’t fret stat weights.
violet moss
Sim your toon. Follow recommendations. Don’t fret stat weights.
i mean, just grab bis trinkets and gear according to prio stats n u good2go tbh
dire badge
real and true
modest condor
i found a cloth item with haste mastery
dire badge
just pick the best loot
narrow narwhal
Prot is ezpz in 10s. Yellow name silm would never deplete a 10
river dust
whats better for m+ mountaon thane or slayer ?
narrow narwhal
You can play either
summer quail
thane better
narrow narwhal
Thane is better for high high keys
summer quail
thane not as cd reliant, feels better in keys
past pivot
i mean, just grab bis trinkets and gear according to prio stats n u good2go tbh
True. And that way also doesn’t fret stat weights.
narrow narwhal
What
hardy bluff
lads where do you generaly use bloodthirst ?
wowhead has a priority list
velvet canopy
But generally yes, only when it's turned into Bloodbath unless you're desperate for rage
haughty cloud
How behind is thane in ST?
brave girder
wowhead has a priority list
its in the rotation tab right
hardy bluff
yes
violet moss
How behind is thane in ST?
not much and the damage reduction makes it poggers
fickle cedar
goddamn playing with augs is the best feeling
weary sail
6 hrs video - quick analysis (part one)
brave girder
so basically slap bloodthirst and raging blow after rampage
south kayak
6 hrs video - quick analysis (part one) <:critcake:984549832511344640>
lmao
Nothing says quick like a 6 hours video
hardy bluff
6 hrs video - quick analysis (part one) <:critcake:984549832511344640>
alot of words to say dogshit
past pivot
Vanilla analysis lmao
feral ivy
Is this a wa or add on?
weary sail
Nothing says quick like a 6 hours video
Part one as well
open coyote
Is slayer viable for m+? or is the other one just that much better
narrow narwhal
You can play either
open coyote
okay cool ty ill stick with slayer since im mainly doing m+ to practice for raiding
clever path
Hey guys! A quick question. I’ve looked up fury guides and have been kinda put off as it seems like it’s a long rotation? Am I misunderstanding. I’m coming from being a healer main for two years and have decided to try a dps class. Sadly it’s hard for me to track long or complicated openers and rotations. Any advice or help with fury would be great before I decide on if I want to go further with it
I’d prefer not to use hekili as well
narrow narwhal
Practice with hekili. Dps these days is on a priority system where you will hit a button over another if they're both available.
clever path
gotcha. so is the rotation itself hard?
humble lark
is it possible to solo last raid in shadowlands on warrior(hc mode)
fading sky
gotcha. so is the rotation itself hard?
No
As he said its a prio
A mistake here and there matters little
clever path
understood. then ill grab hekili and use that till i can get the hang of things. ty!
eternal sundial
Is this a wa or add on?
Dbm
clever path
Cb > bb > ramp if rage above 90 > rb > bt
that seems straightforward enough. and what is the ramp?
modest condor
rampage
tender seal
guys do u agree?
warm crag
guys do u agree?
what fight is this even referencing
tender seal
queen
warm crag
why are you being assigned cds after the 2nd platform tho
is there another main character warrior or
split radish
anyone got bloodthirst crit WA?
tender seal
no
warm crag
ye but being hard assigned a cd and just not doing it is a bit grief without talking to them abt it
idle ember
Who does more raw damage in m+ frost dk or assass rogue
clever belfry
yday i saw a meme about germans being angry and I thought of you
ok?
warm crag
i know he doesnt as you dont respond to my dms
covert blaze
baseg
oblique trail
No because that's where you yell at me as well
ancient quiver
warm crag
No because that's where you yell at me as well
wrong
wise trout
hi is there a way to reliably reflect the orbs on city first boss? or is that non reflectable?
because sometimes i clicked reflect and we only got one set of orbs
but not always
oblique trail
It should target 2 random people, and if you pop SR before it goes out, you should immune it if it's targeted on you
oak garden
hi is there a way to reliably reflect the orbs on city first boss? or is that no...
just use it on every
you can
violet moss
When the bigwigs/DBM/RAT timer goes on zero just press it then
wise trout
maybe i baited myself into thinking it sometimes didnt work
violet moss
It does not always go onto u
wise trout
yeah im aware
violet moss
so that's probs what's happening if you pressed it in time
fuck man i overtime NW+10 by 30 sec
fml
hard widget
Is this a wa or add on?
Its a new mod in ur plater that got added and seems to screw up everyone. Basically when u open /plater (if u have it) there will be a new tab with DBM / Big wigs support. U gotta turn those off. If u dont have plater, u gotta head into DBM or Bigwigs itself and disable it
brittle crow
do u guys think id be allowed to order a mcchicken w big mac sauce
poor mans chicken big mac
restive granite
for ovinaxx
should i insist on the augmentation picking timelesness?
she says she cant get it but im pretty sure she can
warm crag
aug can get timelessness no problem
oblique trail
Our aug has always had timelessness
And I'd argue our aug is by no means a bad player either
So if he deems it worth picking over something else, which to me looks to just be a defensive, then I'm sure so can your guildie
restive granite
yeah sucks having to start arguing this shit with guildies
narrow narwhal
Good players don't get chomped
errant steppe
How valuable is aug buff for us in ST
fervent yoke
Idk what to alt about to just make a arms warr
trail bane
Remember when fury aoe burst was too good? This is how tomb damage sometimes look on our mythic Ansurek prog
Tombs barely spawn before our enha deletes it
surging totem good
modest condor
just wait until p3 and you'll understand
trail bane
Yea i know we are good
Just funny how we got kneejerk nerfed because of tomb damage in heroic week 1
south kayak
Remember when fury aoe burst was too good? This is how tomb damage sometimes loo...
is that enha?
trail bane
yup
south kayak
that guy is padding for no reason
tell him to stop
to get that amount of damage you have to pool tempest casts
and to do that he has to spam CL on the boss instead of lightning bolt
which means a lot less boss damage
oblique trail
to get that amount of damage you have to pool tempest casts
You do know that Tempest is the other Hero talent tree right
trail bane
that pull he used one chain lightning
almost all of that dmg is from that totem thingy
hardy bluff
totemic goes hard
oblique trail
mate he even mentioned it's surging totem
whole yacht
This guy
south kayak
true
narrow narwhal
Kill the parasites
south kayak
i'll focus on that since i can't read
south kayak
Remember when fury aoe burst was too good? This is how tomb damage sometimes loo...
I'm curious how is his boss damage with totemic
trail bane
I'm curious how is his boss damage with totemic
pretty good, we havnt really gotten to p2 yet but in p1 hes like top 3 or so
static harness
Is there a guide somewhere for all the spells/abilities in m+ that can be prevented or reflected by our Spell Reflection
south kayak
pretty good, we havnt really gotten to p2 yet but in p1 hes like top 3 or so
interesting
narrow narwhal
There's a weak aura and there's a reflect list pinned in the prot channel
crude gate
What's everyone prefer for court? Seems like a good mix of Thane, fury slayer and arms slayer
stuck plover
just learned frenzy resets if you rampage a different target. Is that something you play around in m+?
sour frigate
hit the toughest target then
covert blaze
do we ever sim using dungeon slice?
no
grim star
got it, ty!
mild trail
Hi all, new to Warrior and Melee this expansion. Been kinda getting in my head about seeing me be in the bottom half of my raid teams damage meters most nights. Before I ask for more in depth/specific problems though, is having median parse of 30 and seeing 800k-900k at around 620 ilvl perfectly acceptable numbers for casual hardcore AOTC raiding? Am I getting too in my head feeling like im dead weight? (especially when the top 3 dps is going to always belong to some of the KSH 630 ilvl pumpers we have on the team)
fickle cedar
Hi all, new to Warrior and Melee this expansion. Been kinda getting in my head a...
Hey, you should probably aim for more but that depends on your goals I suppose, you could definitely double your parses or even more by spending at least an hour reading up the guide, improving your rotation and opener, practicing and knowing your cooldowns timings on the raid.
grim star
#ThroughputMatters
mild trail
We did get AOTC, so im obviously not dead weight
frozen mirage
Dps comes from knowing boss encounter and when to ise cds and even unethically commit to some padding. That's what we call playing World of WarcraftLogs
mild trail
i just see us finish a kill with like 100 mill more damage dealt and im like i wanna do that
but those are the 630 KSH people
on our queen kill i was 6th of all the dps having done 393 million
sour frigate
We did get AOTC, so im obviously not dead weight
mild trail
If I were to self diagnose I think downtime is my killer
shut kayak
Hello, my friend is an Aug and crafted the Binding of Binding. I was wondering whether Raidbots accurately tracks the buffs provided by the ring if I tried to sim it on my Warrior
frozen mirage
Just filter to Damage to Boss on Logs.
fickle cedar
If I were to self diagnose I think downtime is my killer
You gotta link a log though (on #449510248579858432 ) we cant help without knowing what you're doing wrong, probably cd usage or rotational mistakes.
frail trout
I have done 1 key this week
But my only non-639 items are one ring and my two 636 embellishments
And I still need my 3rd socket
We getting a ring in the patch anyway but not sure how long I'd have to wait for it
fickle cedar
dont worry, people here get their bis vault item with 1 slot
frail trout
I've done 8 keys every week til now for max loot opportunity
I just can't be assed to do it this time
broken river
Is mountain thane better than slayer for M+?
sour frigate
in 12+ yes
broken river
but only 12+
fickle cedar
if mobs die during your bladestorm then its slayer, otherwise thane i suppose, id say 10+ but both are great
sour frigate
Few times per dungeon if u have literally nothing to press but it
whole yacht
We getting a ring in the patch anyway but not sure how long I'd have to wait for...
17th of next month.
haughty cloud
Is fury warrior in the m+ meta? Deciding between it and assassin rog
sly crane
no
gleaming talon
After hard trolling we did it again
sour frigate
Is fury warrior in the m+ meta? Deciding between it and assassin rog
Assa rogue better
opaque solstice
guys how much am i nuking my overall by playing frenzied, am, slayer?
sage ridge
Are mages a bad class or does every pug mage just suck
opaque solstice
i enjoy it so much more but i feel like im throwing by running it lol
haughty cloud
Assa rogue better
Just the utility?
near wing
Are mages a bad class or does every pug mage just suck
Mage is a difficult class. So I can see pugs not being good
summer quail
Are mages a bad class or does every pug mage just suck
class is very good. people playing it are just the worst
honest wagon
Game completely unplayable.
Trying to get into 15 keys, got 2 done.
Cannot get invited.
near wing
I have a mage alt, that is better geared than my warrior, and I do like 30% less damage in keys than my warrior. The class is just harder
^ at least this is my perception, obviously people will have different views
past pivot
Arcane is. Fire and frost aren't
near wing
I play arcane, go figure lol
Drives me nuts that I suck at it
I’ve also found that keys have generally gotten a lot more toxic. Like there are way more people that just out gear the skill level, and when you have a bunch of them in a group, makes the dungeon difficult
Failed a 10 NW last night and the lowest ilvl was 632
charred panther
Also have a lot more turds that float to the surface come
Mid/late season
past pivot
People are lazy and/or stupid and think they can only clear a key with meta class lineup that outlevels the key by 20 ilvl+
charred panther
Also have a lot more turds that float to the surface come
Mid/late season
Both in skill and personality
near wing
💯
wraith wasp
Rating and io don't matter. People don't want to take risks and want easy carries when in truth is that if you don't take risks you won't ever learn anything.
Get players who know what they're doing. Plain and simple
past pivot
The difficulty is knowing if they know what they are doing beforehand. Not in hindsight
wraith wasp
If they don't, just teach them. Otherwise keys are gonna be bricked constantly (which is not a bad in itself if you learn from it)
opaque solstice
guys is playing slayer frenzied a significant dps loss?
gilded pawn
no
teal sorrel
hello guys i have question ?
Rampage it's better to use at 80 or 100 for maximaze the dps ?
haughty cloud
Game completely unplayable.
Trying to get into 15 keys, got 2 done.
Cannot get i...
Run your own key?
feral ivy
this is wild..we not getting nerfed or buffed but others are getting buffed 😦
fickle cedar
yeah I think we're pretty good rn, 2 of the top specs got nerfed aside from that
whole yacht
what did they buff from frost
opaque cypress
nerfed aoe buffed single
whole yacht
are they being well... blizz again? or did they buff something that was actually weak
ah gotcha
understandable. frost ST was mediocre
oh was this the syndragosa nerf oblit buff?
wraith wasp
He gave you lunch money
chilly fractal
I lost like 700k this week on gambling in raid… was a rough week
stiff breach
So what's the trick to not getting pulled in and nuked on the 2nd pull in a Siege 12? Sometimes the timing just seems to work out that you get yanked in right as the frontal from the other guy goes off. Is it just making sure the tank pulls all of them at the same time?
summer quail
this is wild..we not getting nerfed or buffed but others are getting buffed 😦
We are in the perfect spot for raid
feral ivy
We are in the perfect spot for raid
more i want buffsssssss
crude gate
Game completely unplayable.
Trying to get into 15 keys, got 2 done.
Cannot get i...
Where's your key
latent gust
but im pretty sure a group of 4 people from there just q'd for my siege 10 from there in an effort to destroy it as fast as humanly possible
and they did so with tactical precision
sullen dove
Unsure if anyone’s heard of that server in their lives
pseudo dawn
Imagine buffing frost lol wtf are they thinking
How does frost get a buff I don’t understand these monkeys making decisions
whole yacht
How does frost get a buff I don’t understand these monkeys making decisions
Nerfed aoe. Buffed ST
modest condor
wowhead says it's a buff to aoe
whole yacht
Wut
Wasn't syndragosa getting nerfed and obliterate getting buffed?
Or is that not this round?
dry halo
Breath nerfs oblit buffed
whole yacht
That's what I thought. Wowhead tweakin?
final birch
obliterate is still an aoe button
gilded pawn
idk anything about the spec but how strong is it in mass aoe then
since it only cleaves to 3 wouldnt it be pretty ass in 8+
final birch
think of oblit as ms I think
gilded pawn
never played so i could be bullshitting
final birch
ye im not fdk expert
just know tiny bit about the spec since im alting it this tier
random log from +18 on a mass aoe pull
to be more precise
dry halo
In aoe most of frost dmg is still RW tho key to big numbers is always to build a a.fat RW
acoustic yoke
rolling RW is a shit ton of dmg in aoe ye
bitter palm
just know tiny bit about the spec since im alting it this tier
meta abuser myrt
typical
final birch
you just scared of my big shaman
my 636 mage is waiting patiently till fire becomes meta in keys again
oblique trail
why do you have higher ilvl wep in offhand
oblique trail
Would be scared indeed to see that
hollow cove
Hi , when I use Thane, in an AOE situation, is BB or CB the priority?
worn yoke
boy am i glad they nerfed Odyns and Thunderous which are doing 11% of my overall damage in a key, limiting my aoe burst to ~6mil while ret / ele / etc can do 10mil and cop buffs
modest condor
Hi , when I use Thane, in an AOE situation, is BB or CB the priority?
5 targets or less CB is prio, more BB is prio
hollow cove
5 targets or less CB is prio, more BB is prio
why bb>cb if there are more than 5 objectives?
modest condor
because bb procs thunderblast
hollow cove
oh thanks you
feral ivy
ugh WTB a nerf to GB its hell
smoky vale
?
narrow narwhal
Big brain move would to taunt one of the shadowflame slash guys while you're out of melee right before the cast starts
feral ivy
I did it boys and girls. All 12s timed.
NICE grim is the only one I’m missing. What’s your I.o?
hollow sequoia
How long did it take y'all to learn the rotations for this? It's kinda hard for me since I very much struggle with long chains of commands
narrow narwhal
For fury? Slap a dummy around for a bit. Can also do a sim with no buffs and compare it to what you're able to do on the dummy
thick fossil
Big brain move would to taunt one of the shadowflame slash guys while you're out...
That is a nice 8-10 mil reflect
hollow sequoia
For fury? Slap a dummy around for a bit. Can also do a sim with no buffs and com...
Rn I'm trying using HeroRotation but idk if it's gonna be helpful in the long run
hollow sequoia
I don't really wanna do that tho, same with HeroRotation which just shows you what to press next