fury

[inner shadow]

thsi thingy?

[young swan]

yes

[inner shadow]

no first time for me

it spawns 3 adds

3 shades

on the same line right

shade cannot even be fujcking seen

on the boss

that's wild

[verbal rivet]

Different mechanic from this, I’ve just had squishies get killed in a global through defensives from getting knife throw and ice dagger on them at the same time. And multiple times that channel.

[inner shadow]

now hold on

if i died to front

what the fuck did druid die to?

[young swan]

frontal

[winged vale]

the same frontal

[young swan]

same one u died to

[winged vale]

lol

hes like at the tip of the frontal

[young swan]

again

standing in frontals

bad idea

even if u think ur "outranging"

[verbal rivet]

Frontal made the shade. Not the shade making the frontal. So the spacing is staggered weird

[modest condor]

assume every frontal cone you see has a range of 1500 yards

even if the animation is only like 5 yards

[inner shadow]

yeah might as well just fucking leap a frontal

[modest condor]

yes

[inner shadow]

cuz r- company doesnt know how to make shit visible

[modest condor]

that but unironically

[inner shadow]

fuckin hate this game

[trim hound]

This is good advice, honestly.

[inner shadow]

You see these dungeons? 3/4 of them some random bullshit happened to me in them

[verbal rivet]

Stonevault can have some wack RNG

[inner shadow]

Siege was fine.
Rest was Ara-kara not poppin cd
SV tank boss add w 7 stacks of affix
now CoT this shit

[verbal rivet]

Skarmorak putting all three shards in the corner behind a machine part so you have to be careful to not one shot the group

[inner shadow]

it's crazy how much nobody plays 11-12s
i could wait 45 min trying to form a group for a 12, but 2 for a 10

[inner shadow]

just pop def cds GG

[verbal rivet]

I’m cool, the Ele sham reroller isn’t

[inner shadow]

fuckj him, make him die and reinc

[trim hound]

Those trash demons in Court of Stars that do a small frontal, I would be shitting myself if i was in front of them even if I was 30 yards away on my mage 😂

[inner shadow]

ahahshahha

COURT OF STARS

fuck that dungeon

so much agony for that ring

[young swan]

i cant believe they didnt bring back a legion dungeon for s2

so disappointing

[inner shadow]

i dont want to do CoS all over again

[young swan]

I think arcway would be fun

[sullen dove]

arcway last boss run thru whole dungeon was cool

rest kinda wack

[trim hound]

I've only really disliked the pirate dungeons from BFA, cuz they are always packed full of trash you're not supposed to pull. Too many nameplates hurt my puny brain

[inner shadow]

eye of azshara

is nice

[young swan]

pretty sure we've done every dungeon i liked from bfa

everything left is a stinker

[sullen dove]

missing big tol dagor

[young swan]

shit ass dungeon

[inner shadow]

the dungeons we mentioned are legion

tho

[young swan]

#fury message

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/my-new-character-chill-guy-oc-idgaf-gif-8231906169721916585

[inner shadow]

dragonflight dung are goated ngl

[modest condor]

KR, shrine and tol dagor in 1 season let's go

cant believe they already added siege back, it should have been part of the season of shit

[inner shadow]

i wajnt academy

and ruby

goated dungeons

[sullen dove]

ruby

[trim hound]

I just remember Ruby 3rd boss being wipe central

or 2nd

the fire one

[inner shadow]

where do u get ?

[young swan]

super blooms

[balmy shore]

post to scare a plate player

[inner shadow]

i have no clue tf are those

[young swan]

use wowhead

[modest condor]

they're ptsd

[inner shadow]

?worth farming for tmog

[young swan]

yeah its a good mog

[inner shadow]

takes long?

[modest condor]

could take several months depending on your luck

[restive peak]

Yes this is correct

[inner shadow]

you're joking right

[sullen dove]

assuming he means getting the actual drop item to start the chain

not the quests

not rly any rng with the quests the leaves will just take a long time if you dont have friends

[restive peak]

Took Swordish forever for that reason 😉

[sullen dove]

perish

[oblique flint]

for brood twister would double radiant power be better than depths for weapon enchants?

[sullen dove]

its probably higher overall but cant really guarantee if it always lines up to proc with adds, at least not sure the proc rate/uptime on it

where like depths is still a pretty reliable portion of st for free considering youre not gonna be full focus st anyway

think depths was almost like 5% of my boss dmg on kill

eh 4%

but if you want more pad go for it just yknow, costs the extra gold

[covert blaze]

tyr moment

[inner shadow]

no i hjave the quest

i have the item

or else how would i start the quest or screenshot it :dogek

[frozen portal]

would anyone be able to answer this, not sure if im just confused about something obvious

i guess to make it simpler, why would you cast OF if you have WW stacks and avatar active

[covert blaze]

cause it does damage

and the avatar is extended

you dont lose anything

desyncing is just straight up worsse

[modest condor]

if you delay OF that much you'll have part of the dot outside of roar

either way there's a downside

either you lose some dot damage or you have to press whirlwind earlier

[heavy dock]

does roar influence of dmg?

[modest condor]

thunderous words

[heavy dock]

huh is that only during roar window?

hm

idk why i thought that talent just gave a flat 30% bleed dmg overall

[balmy shore]

eeee

[modest condor]

grats

why isnt your name magenta?

[whole yacht]

Grats

[balmy shore]

oh i didn't feel like making it magenta tn

TY

!!!!

[frozen portal]

gracias sir

[young swan]

wahoo enjoy the easy boss

[balmy shore]

is it the easy one i did not think silken court was that bad

we did silken in 153

[young swan]

ansurek is the easy one

[balmy shore]

oke doke

i need to watch a vod before i get yelled at

[modest condor]

so you're saying they can kill it in 100 pulls

[young swan]

i think 150 is very reasonable now

[balmy shore]

that's not bad either

tbh the most frustrating thing so far in this tier was when we recleared broodtwister with like 4 new ppl

[young swan]

yeah that fight sucks

[zealous stone]

whats the prio on AM build?

[whole yacht]

4

[zealous stone]

rampage > BT > RB?

[restive peak]

LETS GOOOOOO

[balmy shore]

WEEEEE

i did mess up pretty bad though on my cds

ah well

[restive peak]

We just got our 1st P3 pull on queen, this 2 day thing is so slow man. But I think we can big prog now

[balmy shore]

ooo huge gaming

yea we 2 day too

sometimes feels slow even if ur pull count is low

[restive peak]

Yeah I can't decide if I like it or not

[balmy shore]

i don't mind it i think 3 day is a lot sometimes if i've got a lot going on

but it depends on what's happening

[restive peak]

Yeah now my life is so stable and slow I have extra nights easily, the wife doesn't care cuz she goes to bed haha

But it's still nice to not HAVE to play

[balmy shore]

yeee

exactly exactly

[hardy cargo]

2 day is bis

[restive peak]

We'll see, I think this tier was just hell

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-explode-gif-5592816

[frozen portal]

what do you drop to take both uproar and thunderous words?

[oblique trail]

1 point in Armored to the Teeth

[frozen portal]

love it ty

[feral ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VgbAWfC7AA wtf is this

im DONE with this game

[frozen portal]

steve jobs cake

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-jobs-thinking-serious-gif-12476291

omg

[whole yacht]

do we run odyns fury on the thane build? O.o

i thought we didnt

[snow edge]

There is no hard and fast rule, you can run whatever you want - some people are running OF without the capstone, and using that point for VC

Some people aren't using OF and are using 2 points in VC; there is no right or wrong

[whole yacht]

gotcha

[edgy widget]

• if you want a little more bursty AoE, take OF
• if you don't, take VC

[whole yacht]

gotcha

thanks

[sage karma]

I love fury!!

No damage outside of CDs

meanwhile enhance can pump 5m dps every pack

[calm quartz]

Just roll enhance

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[sage karma]

I was levelling one but man alt gearing is miserable this season

[calm quartz]

it really is

[undone flower]

Why not play both ? Everyone got the harbringer of gilded now no ? blizz really nailed it right ?

70 dungeons to farm crests ? Really nice, but you could not even spend them unless you myth raid

[calm quartz]

There aint enough hawk for the tuah us

[sage karma]

the amount of dungeons you have to do to be able to join groups for actual engaging content

is ridiculous

[fickle cedar]

+2

[sage karma]

You ain't getting into +10s until at least 615

and nobody wants to join groups with 1 dps in

Hope you like delves

[covert blaze]

delet this

[fickle cedar]

Yeah its kinda tough, if you wanna pug riding the m+ release wave early makes it a bit smoother for the rest of the season, otherwise its hard getting back in

[covert blaze]

acquire acquaintances to play the game with

[fickle cedar]

yeah thats what I do, I'm just saying if you wanna pug

Personally i dont push anymore at 2k9 im just chilling with weekly m+10s and raid at this point

[calm quartz]

even with friends to play with

I still dont want to gear another character

[sage karma]

Yeah

I have friends to play with (but not a full 5man at all times)

Gearing alts is still too slow

[calm quartz]

only, uh, 7 vaults behind?

[sudden tusk]

crests just need to be inflated

like theres no reason at 1000 crests that you can farm that you shuoldnt be getting 30 a dungeon and 25 a boss

at this point

[calm quartz]

Having warbands just for valorstones to be character bound is a crime

[fickle cedar]

delete valorstones tbh

[undone flower]

615, you are a tank or a healer to be accepted in a 10

I tried to prep my hunt bc I soon have harbringer, I gave up, I think they want 630+ (my hunt is 625)

Im tired of doing my key, and even that takes so much time compared to my warrior (since I tank so I’m used to have 1 second queue time)

[sage karma]

yeah tbf I lowballed it

I was struggling to get into 10s at 624 as fury

not so bad at 628

those 4 ilvls will surely be the difference between timing and not timing!

[undone flower]

Tbh my alt will just be a druid just because it can tank or heal ( i want to be a range dps in raid / next patch)

My guild will leave my warrior alone, I don’t want to raid with him

[dry halo]

There's guys at 630 doing 8s

[sage karma]

yep

they need to make 10s give 15 crests

[dry halo]

I am 632 on arms / fury and it's not a given to get into 8s , too lazy to tank 10s too

[covert blaze]

io issue

[dry halo]

Don't matter tbh, I can just farm crests and let guildies craft near bis lol

Ain't got no time for lobby simulator

If 2560 fury is not enough at 632 than there's little point tbh, my time is worth more than that

[random raptor]

I think m+ key depletion is too punishing which makes pugging feel like a huge waste of time, people are very strict on who they invite, as they should be, because bricking a key requires you to take the same amount of time putting together another group and time the depleted key to get back to where you're at

[whole yacht]

io is not the issue at 2500, 632 for 8s. its people wanting to be carried and being fotm chasers

[dry halo]

Thing is you can definitely get carried playing stuff like aug

[random raptor]

I haven't given it too much thought, but from an enjoyment standpoint, key depletion should be removed

make it like delves where you can do the next highest level to what you've done prior

[young swan]

depletion already was removed

but yeah i get what u mean

[random raptor]

have they tried that before?

[young swan]

throwback to when keys literally depleted

nah u mean downgrading

[random raptor]

yeah

[young swan]

depletion is just a relic of what it used to be called

[dry halo]

He meant when keys literally got deleted last time

[young swan]

cause the key turned into a grey item

[random raptor]

that sounds horrendous

[young swan]

and u had to time it (no loot or any rewards) to get it back

[whole yacht]

keys used to be brutal

[young swan]

yeah it was really bad

[whole yacht]

its why i hated keys for a while.

[dry halo]

Tbh 8s are still okish, but brown class just don't get invs for 10s

[random raptor]

I think M+ needs to be balanced around peoples time, if keys dont downgrade, people will be less strict with groups, players will be getting more practice/attempts which will increase the overall skill ceilling

[whole yacht]

i get invited to 10's but it takes a few tries. (like 20 mins usually)

[random raptor]

more play time actually doing keys, less sitting around and more fun = more players as well

[whole yacht]

but im almost 2700. so they ignore the brown

for the most part

[random raptor]

nice man 🙂

[dry halo]

Maybe because I play on OCE as well so that's a debuff

[random raptor]

Me too

[whole yacht]

that definitely could play into it

[dry halo]

I get okish ping on NA but I don't get invs on 10s on NA

[whole yacht]

i think people are way too picky

[dry halo]

OCE lobbies are pretty much tanks and healers waiting room

[whole yacht]

theres being careful so you pick people that wont brick the key, tthen theres being meta chasers which most people are

[random raptor]

They have to be because of the amount of time they'd waste if the key is depleted

[whole yacht]

again

[random raptor]

downgraded*

[whole yacht]

theres being careful;

then theres being meta chasers

a lot of people only want you if youre one of 3 classes

[dry halo]

Thing is Io is not even that accurate , esp on oce where buying runs are so rampant

[whole yacht]

true.

saw a 2750 guy that was TERRIBLE at the game. very obious he bought the keys.

[random raptor]

Not sure, I gave my 2 cents on solutions from my experience, gamers are great are finding problems.. not great at solutions so I could be wrong

[whole yacht]

and another guy that went from failing 8's to timing 11's the next day

very sus

[random raptor]

I've hit a wall right before 3k because of how difficult it is to get into 13s, playing warrior could definitely play into it

[dry halo]

I get it, but atm it's like sure I can wait 30 mins to 1 hours trying to get into a 10s lobby as dps

Or just grind 8s and call it

[whole yacht]

13's as a warrior without a group for it. is very aids to find a pug group that will let you in

like you HAVE to form your own group. and do your own key

[dry halo]

Forming own group as Brown dps is rough on oce

[whole yacht]

i find a pocket tank

and give them lead 😂

[modest condor]

you dont need to buy boosts to get 2750 rating as a terrible player

[whole yacht]

youre right. but it is obvious when its done

[dry halo]

It's affordable though ( more so now )

[modest condor]

11s are giga easy, you can almost 3man them, if you have 4 people with half a brain in your group you can get carried to 2750 easily

[dry halo]

Any one earning decent money can prolly just buy 4 runs and get insane Io boosts

[whole yacht]

11's are giga easy to people that can farm them. and are nearly impossible to people that fail 8's and 9's.

[modest condor]

only if the whole group consists of people that fail 8s and 9s

[random raptor]

I hope blizzard takes some time revisitting m+ and improves the system and qol, its a shame because as someone who comes from a high ranking league background I find actually doing keys to be insanely fun

[modest condor]

if you spend a couple of hours in lfg every day you will eventually fail your way up to 2700

[whole yacht]

its subjective on difficulty. what a very good player sees as easy. is hard for an average player.

you have to understand a vast majority of the playerbase will never get 2700

[dry halo]

What kind of working adult can spend hours in lfg lobby tho

[modest condor]

that's because the vast majority of the playerbase doesnt try

[whole yacht]

the vast majority of the playerbase isnt good at the game. lol

[modest condor]

2700 doesnt even require doing 12s yet

you dont have to be good at the game to be able to do 11s

you just need to know a basic priority and use your stops

[whole yacht]

again. what a good player sees as easy. (i.e 11's) to an average player may seem very difficulty to do

[dry halo]

I don't want be that guy but theres guys out there that can't even do that

[modest condor]

because the average player has never tried to learn

[modest condor]

because they never read the wowhead guide

and they dont read ability tooltips

[whole yacht]

i doubt that honestly.

[random raptor]

I agree, I think it has more to do with the fact vast majority of players don't have the time to waste getting into m+

[whole yacht]

most players probably try, fail, and give up, or do 10's and they are hard for them. so they decide thats their limit

some people genuinely cannot get above 10's because they just arent good enough.

i know some people like that

[modest condor]

i am genuinely convinced that if you just spend a day or so thoroughly reading the wowhead guide and slapping some dummies for an hour or so everybody can get within 70% of optimal dps

and you dont even need nearly 70% of optimal dps to time an 11

[whole yacht]

thats not the case for everyone

skill ceilings are a real thing

[dry halo]

Doubt, at 11s it's pretty tight

[modest condor]

we're 3chesting 11s

it's not that tight

[whole yacht]

what you can do

is not what everyoe can do

[dry halo]

Your average player is not 630++

[modest condor]

that's why im not saying everybody can 3chest 11s

im saying everybody can time 11s

[whole yacht]

and im disagreeing

i know people that are genuinely not good enough to do it

[dry halo]

Heck I think there's alot of warrior players stuck in the 619 purgatory

[modest condor]

because they dont try to improve

[whole yacht]

they do though lmao

they ask for help. they look up guides

they still suck

[undone flower]

The first 12 I timed it was as fury (main prot) I had the wowhead rotation page open because I never played thane fury before, we still 2 chested

[feral ivy]

Who is 3 timing 11s 😠

[modest condor]

people with 3k io should be able to 3chest some of the 11s at least

[random raptor]

11s aren't that bad, I think if the average player invested time they could easily time them, the issue once again circles around to the time needed to get into groups vs doing the content

[brittle crow]

clarify what u mean by average

[feral ivy]

Tbh I stoped at 11s once I hit the 12 keys

[whole yacht]

i 2 chested an 11 at 2500 io. but also. to me. keys arent hard at 11. i just dont do much m+. i MIGHT get 8 done for the week.

[brittle crow]

cuz the average wow player does heroics as endgame

[random raptor]

Most people work, I wouldn't want to try get into groups for some higher form of content if I had to spend 2/3 of the time sitting around AFTER 8-12 hours of work

[feral ivy]

I reduce to 10 and 3 time to get 13s

[whole yacht]

on GOD. thats why i rarely fill vault

[dry halo]

Which furthers my point that an adult will just swipe his card

Life is too hard to spend time of lobby simulator

[whole yacht]

im a key booster in my free time for a community. theres DOZENS of people buying 10's and 11's every hour

[brittle crow]

why yall in lobby simulator

get guildies to run keys

[feral ivy]

I’m lost are yall complaining that yall can’t get vault filled?

[dry halo]

Won't even judge TBF, blizzard shot themselves in the foot on this

[whole yacht]

that requires guildies that can reliably time keys higher than 10 lol

[undone flower]

I just see 11 as exact same as a 10, packs doesn’t survive at all, I don’t see difference except people vault filling tag in 10s,

[brittle crow]

man we had to prog multiple weeks on heroic queen

and we still have ppl who can do 10s easy

its not a high bar

[whole yacht]

never said it is

[whole yacht]

i mean, things hit harder. but just dont stand in bad

[undone flower]

Not hard enough to notice difference

[whole yacht]

but i had a friend that genuinely was failing 8's. after full clearing heroic.

[modest condor]

they probably dont have enough experience in dungeons

[whole yacht]

he was the reason why they failed too

[modest condor]

like ofcourse im not expecting someone to just go into a dungeon and time 11s on day one, you need to build up experience and shit

[whole yacht]

how much experience do you need to time an 8? lol.

[modest condor]

but if you've been doing keys for most of the season and you're unable to time 11s then you're just not trying to improve

[feral ivy]

More than your friend apparently

[whole yacht]

thats not inherently true.

i refer back to my earlier comment. skill ceilings DO exist.

[undone flower]

He just get stoped by not knowing dungeon mechs, 8s you start needing to kick the guy / duo boss of stonevault

[modest condor]

11 is an extrmely low skill ceiling tho

[whole yacht]

some people genuinely cannot improve beyond a certain point.

[random raptor]

It is 100% correct, its not even close to the skill ceilling of m+

[whole yacht]

it is NOT 100% correct.

the skill ceiling of an individual player is not decided by what the community deems difficult.

[dry halo]

I think there's some truth to lemons comments

[modest condor]

and the original point wasnt even about the skill needed to time 11s, it was about being able to time 11s without buying boosts

[dry halo]

So players are capped

[modest condor]

you can still be bad and get carried by 4 better pugs

[whole yacht]

that literally makes it about having the skill to time them.

[random raptor]

Godly Lemon, can we go back to discussing the inherit probems with m+ and its system and not your low skill level

[whole yacht]

a single player CAN throw the entire run

[whole yacht]

my low skill level? lmao

not once did i say that i think 11's are hard.

[modest condor]

sure there are circumstances where a single player would throw the run, but if you just do the dungeon 10 times eventually there will be a run where that doesnt happen and you time it

[whole yacht]

"some people" has been my entire talking point. this has never been about me

[undone flower]

Pug life is doing X time the dungeon until you find the pug group

And repeat in another dungeon

[whole yacht]

i mean, yes, theres a law of the universe about it. you will innevitably succeed if you never give up

so long as the task isnt literally impossible

but no one that doesnt do this for a job has the time to run 10,000 keys

to time it 1 time

[undone flower]

I saw someone maybe 2 weeks ago with 4 10s times and 310 the lower bracket key times

When you press alt on someone

[feral ivy]

If it makes you guys feel better do your own keys. Inv ppl you see who has timed 11s and bam you finished that 10

Just did a 10 with 3k I.o tank … zero idea why he was doing it today but let’s goo

[zealous geyser]

weekly/crest probably

[whole yacht]

ive invited people that have timed 12's, to a 10, and they still died almost every pull. them having timed it, isnt a guarantee they did it themselves. unfortunately.

in the community i do keys for, you can buy up to 14's.

[feral ivy]

I’ve been lucky to never seen that. But my group when I drop my key to 10s I don’t inv ppl less than 2750i.o

[undone flower]

It’s because the Rio line of guarantee good players goes up every week

[whole yacht]

what is all 14's timed for io?

[dry halo]

Wtf 14s available

[feral ivy]

I think 3150-3200

[undone flower]

3160

[whole yacht]

so you can literally buy 3100

lol

wild

[dry halo]

Spend 50 hours grinding lfg or use 5% of monthly pay

I can't lol

[whole yacht]

lol

5% of monthly pay?

its 3m per key XD

[feral ivy]

I know if you do full 12s 3 13 you are 3kio ..

[whole yacht]

how much you make a month for that many wow tokens to be 5%

thats almost 2000 USD for 3100 io

thats WILD

[dry halo]

I mean most aren't gonna buy that much tbf

[whole yacht]

you would be surprised.

[dry halo]

But it's damning to know

[undone flower]

It’s 900k a 13 and 1.5m a 14

[whole yacht]

in what community?

[feral ivy]

There was like a ban wagon last season ppl bought title I think

[whole yacht]

in the one im in its 3.1m for a 14

[dry halo]

The median salary in Singapore is bout 3700 USD

[dry halo]

Oof

[whole yacht]

what community is that?

[dry halo]

👀 wtf are those rates

[feral ivy]

Who the hell spending 70k on that

[whole yacht]

those rates are insane

and by that i mean insanely low.

[dry halo]

Well not judging but now you know why some players are like that

[whole yacht]

are those rates for timed, or completed?

[ivory ingot]

M0s are probably harder to pug then a 8

[undone flower]

Let me see

[ivory ingot]

[feral ivy]

The way it goes imo the lower the key the harder it is 12s are easier than 7s

[whole yacht]

hard disagree

i can carry a 7's dps alone.

[feral ivy]

True but it’s slower

[dry halo]

Still, 10s and 11s being this cheap is scary

[ivory ingot]

Tank sucks hows the floor buddy

[whole yacht]

i can tank a 7's boss

and a little bit of adds

[undone flower]

It is timed

[whole yacht]

thats WILD. those are insanely low rates

[dry halo]

For real, this rates are legit bonkers

[undone flower]

Tho I just saw 30 m for ansurek MM lol

[whole yacht]

being able to get almost 3300 rating for 2m each key is WILD.

[ivory ingot]

Chad fury rips threat off Edna dies

[feral ivy]

Is it a busy community?

[ivory ingot]

[whole yacht]

its 50m for my community lmao

oh sorry. 50m for 8/8m

25m for ansurek

[ivory ingot]

Ahh yes rmters I mean boosters

[undone flower]

I don’t know, I raid boost on it, for m+ I have no clue

[ivory ingot]

[modest condor]

saw a frost dk tank a +17 boss for 20% of its hp earlier today

[whole yacht]

damn giga chad

[modest condor]

balanced class

[whole yacht]

a lott of kiting?

or did he man-handle that mf

[modest condor]

no just facetanking it

[whole yacht]

damn

[ivory ingot]

Meanwhile my guilds frost dk went unholy

[dry halo]

Well this just gave me more reason to not push m+ outside of guildies

Pointless

[whole yacht]

oof

pretty sure thats the same place i do it

[ivory ingot]

Leaked

[feral ivy]

Going to delete just incase

[undone flower]

Maybe don’t advertise which one it is pls

[ivory ingot]

Not hard to find

[whole yacht]

why?

the communities are giga easy to find and enter

[dry halo]

Not wrong just a matter of intent

[whole yacht]

^

[dry halo]

If some wants to buy vault clear

They will

[feral ivy]

I mean there is a whole channel for it in wow .. I think it’s join /4 or /5

[ivory ingot]

The players who buy boosts :

[whole yacht]

yeah its called what? services?

[feral ivy]

Yea what you said earlier

[undone flower]

do whatever you want, I don’t really want to advertise like where I do boost personally because I’m not paid to do it

[dry halo]

Idm honestly but they will come back and compete with you for pug spots

That's the part that irks me

[ivory ingot]

Not when I mainly tank keys

[whole yacht]

TRUE

[dry halo]

Yeah if you are tank you are jesus incarnate

[covert blaze]

paying for a number no one cares about is wild

[ivory ingot]

Worst one is some guy doing boosts in lfg

[whole yacht]

tanks and healers are the one thing you can almost always trust.

[ivory ingot]

[whole yacht]

THOUSANDS of people do it

[whole yacht]

for their io i mean

[feral ivy]

If your 1st in your guild you get gloating rights tbf

[undone flower]

Maybe not thousands tho

[whole yacht]

like if you see a 2700 tank that suddenly went dps to do 8 11's. then went back tank. they 100% bought them.

[whole yacht]

100% thousands

[dry halo]

Well sure until in prog when your parses are sus

[feral ivy]

I’m 60i.o to be 2nd I think in my guild to get 3k

[whole yacht]

dozens an hour

[ivory ingot]

I mean they can tell you are a boosty boi

[whole yacht]

sheeesh close.

[dry halo]

My guild has a DK at 636 but man is only mid

[ivory ingot]

Shit logs no team doesn't play enough

[feral ivy]

I’ve seen ppl who are 3200 I.0 that never touch raid

[whole yacht]

yeah

i know a few that never do raid. get tier from catalyst, and do m+ all day

[ivory ingot]

You spend more time in queues then inside the dungeons doing push keys in pugs

[dry halo]

Still, no excuses for poor output in raid

[whole yacht]

😂

[undone flower]

Like 4050 EU players over 3160, i don’t’ think 1 thousand are boosted

[dry halo]

Like if u are 636 DK and losing to 632 war man you are boosted

[whole yacht]

thats 3100. and thats only EU

just because they arent 3100. doesnt mean thousands of people dont buy boosts

[ivory ingot]

Ain't doing 5/8m and past your raid logs can be all shit doesn't matter

Nice sample size

[undone flower]

Oh yes m+ boosts in general, it’s tens of thousands

[feral ivy]

Idk ive beaten pally and dk in m+ I think it’s just the class throws so much dmg that they don’t have to be trying to get to 12s and 13s

[dry halo]

True but when said guy is sandbagging in heroic it's pretty funny still

[whole yacht]

thats what i was referring to. is m+ as a whole.

[dry halo]

Well the perception of meta

[ivory ingot]

Why pay boosts when you can use your guild for keys

[whole yacht]

alright ladies and gentleman. i have work in 5 1/2 hours and havent slept yet. so im gonna go pass out. g'night everyone.

[undone flower]

Because like I just checked yesterday, just at 11 pm there were 7 announced boosts, 11:10, 4 more etc

[dry halo]

Guildies = fun

Paying = fast

[feral ivy]

I’ve seen guilds who are 5/8 mythic and NEVER touched a key past 10

[ivory ingot]

End up with this kinda key

[dry halo]

Oof

[feral ivy]

Pls say this was beta era

[ivory ingot]

Nah last week

[dry halo]

TBF my guilds first 10 COT went like this

[feral ivy]

Why stay?

[undone flower]

Im one of them, I did touch 3 12 just because a friend asked me to

[dry halo]

Vault

[ivory ingot]

Guild key

Never leaves keys

[undone flower]

Free myth tracks on shitty alts

[feral ivy]

Yall are wild. It’s very simple if your not timing and not close to end it then leave start new dungeon

[ivory ingot]

I was tanking just shaking my head at people dying to balls

Range standing 40yrs whole time

Not stacking last boss of city

[grim kindle]

no shit key took so long

[dry halo]

Still cant say no to myth track

[modest condor]

i used to never be the first one to leave a pug, but i had a run where we wiped 3 times to the first boss in SV to the tank buster and at that point i was like nevermind

[ivory ingot]

That's a healers issue

[modest condor]

wasnt even a high key, i think it was a 9 or a 10

[ivory ingot]

Tbh 99% of healers don't do

[undone flower]

Im one of I just see the mdt route (the very rare time I dps) I just leave

[ivory ingot]

Mind you playing pwar your like wait that's a tank buster

[grim kindle]

yeah that dispell mechanic is a bit weird because you cant dispell asap

[dry halo]

Pwar = what is a tank buster

[ivory ingot]

Cot after 2nd boss real tank buster

That shit hurts

[modest condor]

every time i see cot i just think court of tars in my head

[ivory ingot]

Soon s3

[modest condor]

if we get another season with cos im done

shit dungeon

[dry halo]

No not COS

The RP

[undone flower]

Shadow moon burial ground again ?

[ivory ingot]

We will see people already complaining about next seasons dungeons

I forgot what they were tbh

[dry halo]

TOP was one of them

[modest condor]

top and workshop

[ivory ingot]

No junkyard no rings

[modest condor]

and the one with the darkness minigame before the last boss

[undone flower]

Don’t’ talk about top pls, let us breath before next patch

[dry halo]

Bad memories, place was unplayable on tyran weeks

[ivory ingot]

Rework

[modest condor]

if blizzard cares at all about m+ they'll just add a skip so you dont have to do the whole cart part

[undone flower]

Like every week now ?

[dry halo]

Theater of pain was particularly painful though in SL on tyran

[undone flower]

I just remember fucking aff warlock just playing full ST in the dungeon = top dps

[dry halo]

Granted locks were good then too

[undone flower]

Yes it was just first season when they played siphon life in m+

[lament lagoon]

so whats average io for .1% in NA

[undone flower]

You can see the estimate on raider io

[modest condor]

oh yeah, soothe class is required in top

[ivory ingot]

Rdrood meta again

[lament lagoon]

iseee now

[undone flower]

NA cutoffs

[lament lagoon]

Tittl is only .1%?

[undone flower]

Yes It’s an estimate btw because it depends on how blizz really count

[dry halo]

3211 👀

Well time to find that Saudi prince in my contacts

[undone flower]

3200 is on line of the pug keys

14s/15s

[lament lagoon]

im 3k getting declined by 2.5.k

Feelsexcellent

[dry halo]

Brown dps life

It doesn't matter if u are or

[ivory ingot]

[dry halo]

Yes prot is god we know stop flexing your tank privilege

[manic pelican]

#brownlivesmatter

[undone flower]

That’s why my alt is a druid even tho I dps in raid, don’t want to lose the 1 second queue time

[sour frigate]

[undone flower]

It hurts when it’s declined and not delisted

[sour frigate]

nah both are shit

[timber siren]

is thane any good now compared to slayer?

[sour frigate]

in keys yes

[timber siren]

thanks

[undone flower]

If you are EU when I go home we can do keys, i don’t mind use my privilege for other brown people

[sour frigate]

🥰

[undone flower]

Might be late for you because I come home at 18 CET I don’t know what hour it is for you

[sour frigate]

Im 1 hour ahead

So its okay

[undone flower]

Oh Okok, it was because I’m used to play with russian/bielo/ukrain during the night but they wake up

[sour frigate]

I sleep few hrs a day so it doesnt matter for me when to play mostly

Beside i may have to go to work

[tepid beacon]

Does anyone knows how accurate is Hekili for Fury?

[past cedar]

Does the aniversary tokens or anything get reset when doing faction change? or do i still have my progress in the new expantion

[dry halo]

Lobby simulator

[long granite]

Does anyone have the spec that Chinese mdi fury warrior ran?

[snow edge]

Looked like he was bladestorming, so probably just standard M+ Slayer build

[undone flower]

You have to look if he has bloodbath and crushing blow and you will know if he plays am or not

[dry halo]

Am is close to RA no for slayer fury ? (Maybe better for m+ since more bladestorms)

[undone flower]

Idk but the question was about mdi, which is another type of content than live m+

If it was about the mdi chinese fury warrior in the grim batol, he played standard slayer RA

[eternal sundial]

Chinese mdi fury warrior huhh

You got a vor?

VOD?

[mossy fox]

chinese mdi was kinda a meme

whichever team didnt clown fiesta usually won

[iron portal]

It really looked like "weekly no leavers"

Not MDI

[undone flower]

https://www.youtube.com/live/_X9xKFof3dg?t=6315&si=iEiN6YtNbDmrJQzJ

Don’t watch the grim batol, it’s a weekly no leaver, the cot, it’s the other team that was in no leaver, I’m watching the Nw now

[iron portal]

I now have craving for streamed meme keys like this from pugs

[eternal sundial]

Appreciate it

[radiant plank]

Looks like my weekly keys after western MDI weekend

[mossy fox]

im sure i saw a potential deplete in one of those keys

but didnt happen because other team timed

[iron portal]

The confidence some tanks gained

Brilliant

[undone flower]

The NW, they were pulling the top left corner pack, the one after the duo adds

Not depleto but scary

9 min 1.5ish packs 2 bosses

Or Nw is 36 min I don’t remember which one is 34

Nvm it is GB that is 34 min, and there is the challenger peril timer change

[errant vessel]

you guys have more success with cds 16 sec into Court or on pull?

(mythic that is)

[warm crag]

no point cding on pull

if you want to cd to align it for 2nd damage amp at 1:45 you need to use it at 0:15

[civic bobcat]

morning guys :'/

[undone flower]

Im progging the first intermission so I’m not sure I’m a big help, I tried thane first (was the first night on it)

[errant vessel]

ye ig the only diff is that you might get bladestorm up for dmg amp

the first one

[warm crag]

uh sec id need to check what slayer fury does

i only know what thane and arms slayer does

[undone flower]

If you OF on pull you get it on dmg amp

[errant vessel]

only reason I'm not running Thane is because of Ravager

[warm crag]

ew slayer looks ass

yeah you cd pull

[undone flower]

Cd on pull = you have your cds when they are together a little bit later just before the second charge

[errant vessel]

and I cba managing sequence before sending it to not overcap on TB

[warm crag]

idk if theres any variation in slayer builds but apparently you just want to press every button even if you overlap OF

ew man

[errant vessel]

no way that's optimal though?

[warm crag]

to line up the OF for a damage amp? i see it

[errant vessel]

you have OF for dmg amp nonetheless

[warm crag]

its also like the #2 log on that fight so it must be correct ish

[errant vessel]

it's prob because he wants to be positioned for blue frontal bait faster

[warm crag]

idk everyone shits it out like this you do whatever you want

[errant vessel]

ok I'm just gonna do the same

[warm crag]

i mean go figure out why they do it

[errant vessel]

maybe it's something further down the line

[warm crag]

they press the next 2 OF p much when they come back

might line up nicely with adds or smth

[undone flower]

It is on dmg amp+ there is adds

If they are still alive at that moment

[errant vessel]

everyone seems to run culling and opportunity in top 100 as well

I'm so confused

[undone flower]

Silken stats are a bit mess

[warm crag]

just go fierce burtal

[radiant plank]

everyone is too lazy to change talents

[errant vessel]

just noticed most slayer kills are CN as well

[undone flower]

I Saw couple dudes thane without OF

[warm crag]

thane is very comfy ye

[errant vessel]

ye 2x VC thane is based

[sour frigate]

its me

[warm crag]

if you pull off the burst sequence then u legit just press at 0:15 and then p much on cd

[errant vessel]

juiced up BB on first boss mists is stonks

[tender seal]

It is 100% because of this. He cant stay between both bosses for more than a few seconds

[undone flower]

But as I said I’m at intermission personally (first night after the discovery monkey night), I tried thane first (with and without Of) it’s like the same FOR ME at the end of p1

[errant vessel]

gonna try next raid

[undone flower]

Cd on pull or wait they are stacked, doesn’t notice any change of overall dmg, but as said maybe it’s a cd thing during p2

[undone flower]

Stilchil is your char ?

[sour frigate]

No

[summer quail]

that's what i'm playing on prog, we basically just started tho. like 15 pulls or something

[undone flower]

Because стилчел is the dude I check to see wtf is going on with not playing OF

[sour frigate]

I dunno runs fine

[undone flower]

Oh 😥i thought you were by coincidence the dude I took logs from silken court

[sour frigate]

Nah im casul gamer

4/8 max

[fossil hull]

anyone has link to the WA critcakes uses which says targteted and defensives in m+ ?

like with audio warnings

[undone flower]

After checking the logs stats I will keep trying thane tbh on silken

[south kayak]

playing with a prot war who never uses battle shout..

pugs are just sad

[undone flower]

Tbh sometime on an alt I forget that I have X ability

For example I forget I have bl as Hunter, so 0 bl the entire dungeon lol

[south kayak]

maybe but i asked him 10 times

to use it

[undone flower]

Oh yes if you ask it’s weird he don’t use

[thick fossil]

I've seen resto shaman never kick a cast in a dungeon. Pugs are dumb, nuff said.

[unreal onyx]

You need more than 1 bshout per dungeon? Skill issue

[summer quail]

yea they stack

big damage

[undone flower]

Drums and bl stacks btw

[thick fossil]

I have a habit of using it between every trash pack. Like a call to get the cats to follow before I pull.

[unreal onyx]

I also press bshout on cd between fights

Big nelf woman go scream

[south kayak]

Couldn't time a 7 on this run

[unreal onyx]

Neuronactivation

[south kayak]

because this guy is a bozo

and can't even press battle shout

waste of my fucking time

[undone flower]

Me too every time the travel between packs is not mounted I battle shout

[south kayak]

I battle shout on fucking cd

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[south kayak]

on my warrior

im not kidding

[unreal onyx]

I use bshout to dismount before charging in next pack

[south kayak]

I havee a wa that tells me if i should BS

and even then i just use it on cd outside of combat

[thick fossil]

Good to know I'm not the only one that does that. Lol

[undone flower]

In Dawnbreaker, I dismount battle shout in the air to go on the ships on the sides

[south kayak]

Battle shot

[unreal onyx]

Had one like that too but I only pug and I cba to track bshout for casters

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-gif-19633400

[south kayak]

yo I saw you in top 20 or something on hc princess

I managed to get a 29th parse

[unreal onyx]

20? I know I had 80 2 weeks ago but idk if this weeks was better

[south kayak]

is this you

[unreal onyx]

Yes

Didnt know

I think it was even kind of a shitty pull for me but it’s hc so whatever anyway

I would‘ve been better on sikran if I Didnt have 1st line during bl

[south kayak]

the only reason I got that much is because I got insane rng

i was only 626 there

This is the amount of damage execute should do normally

[unreal onyx]

Im good at ST dmg but ass at padding

I got a grey ovinax myth log but R14 dmg to boss

[south kayak]

Had 3 fury warriors in the same grp so i couldn't pad for shit on rashanan

[sour frigate]

same was for me when started shaman/evoker

[south kayak]

Sometimes I forget things but if someone tells me i'll do it

this guy didn't even do anything after i told him 10 times to buff

[unreal onyx]

I don’t forget anything

Except how to play

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[unreal onyx]

[south kayak]

I hate farming valorstones/ gilded for upgrades

I have a myth shoulder on my warrior that i cba upgrading because it's a lot of runs

and people don't invite me to 10s

[sour frigate]

based

[south kayak]

If you do 7s pugs onnn alts, you'll notice how bad most people are at dpsing

especially alts

i always top dps meters

overalls*

[sour frigate]

i did 4th nw today for fun

it was ...

[undone flower]

I just remember that pug sikran (i was 624)

[south kayak]

hmmge

This shaman is 620, im 617..

[unreal onyx]

Just buy myth tokens from the hc ones

[south kayak]

I always do that

[unreal onyx]

90 hc crests for 15 myth crests

[south kayak]

yeah I know

out of them since i did hc

[verbal rivet]

The shaman rerollers are mostly bad at it

Ngl

[unreal onyx]

I only need to upgrade my rings and then im out stuff to use crests on

[undone flower]

I always do that (i forget so every X weeks I just have to do 3-4 dungeons to be cap when I remember)

[unreal onyx]

( I only have 1 myth track ring)

I don’t even need to upgrade my rings since I don’t use them, but whenever I get one in vault I can upgrade with stones

Hc queen and hc ovinax ring gang

Surely I will get myth ovinax ring when we kill it on monday again

[undone flower]

Next week may be the weird week depending on vault, I might have 90 crests but nowhere to spend since I miss like only 2 or 3 spots for harbringer

[south kayak]

depends on the people

some are good

some aren't

[unreal onyx]

Most arent

[south kayak]

I guess that's true

i rerolled to enha a while ago

I fixed some of my parses a bit this week

progging on ovinax rn

help

[undone flower]

Enjoy every bit of it pls before kyvesa

[south kayak]

i'll try

[unreal onyx]

Ovinax prog is fun bc you can pad

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-cat-gif-staring-cat-staring-cat-blink-key1i-gif-20519383

Me when I do dashes on kyvesa and have to wait for the orbs

[unreal onyx]

Princess is despair if you have people that have no coordination

[warm crag]

kyveza is the best fight in the raid stop coping

[south kayak]

Fuck dashes, I hope i never get em

[south kayak]

yeah if you don't get mechanics

[unreal onyx]

Where‘s the cope

[warm crag]

oh no how terrible dstance spellreflect

go back in

[radiant plank]

bop

[south kayak]

I am not a warrior

Im mostly talking about dps loss

from mechanics

[unreal onyx]

Fight is good, I just said it’s despair if ppl cant get down with the base principle of the fight

Go to assigned spot

[summer quail]

wat do you play

[south kayak]

Enhance

[warm crag]

oh no bossfight isnt pure patchwerk again fuuck!!!

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/monk-monkey-monkey-shocked-gif-8841291472583398259

What's the most patchwerk boss inn recent years

[undone flower]

Yes it’s mostly the prog itself, it just swing between 10% to 80% from the 30th pull, it’s not like ovinax which prog set by set

[unreal onyx]

Magmorax propably

[south kayak]

oh yeah lmao

just charge back in

[summer quail]

terros is pretty patchwerk as well. have perma uptime

[south kayak]

oh yeah

[undone flower]

Is bfa recent ?

[south kayak]

it was in 2018 so probably not

[undone flower]

Because the dog boss in nya was a nothing 0 mech patchwerk

[unreal onyx]

Terros at least had some prog to be done, magmorax was way too easy for its position in raid

[south kayak]

that dog was wild

so easy

[unreal onyx]

Especially after pre-nerf zskarn

[south kayak]

prenerf szkarn was crazy

zskarn

[undone flower]

It was the lowest pull count of my guild after skittra and drestagath

[south kayak]

Dog was probably the easiest fight for being in the middle

well, it wasn't really in middle

[undone flower]

Depends on middle since you could kill technically 7/12 before him (but yes it was the 4th)

[south kayak]

Xanesh was crazy

soccer boss

[undone flower]

I had fun (i tanked nya so I did football eheheh)

[south kayak]

I killed all bosses except last one in nya

F

[undone flower]

For The rest of raid xanesh is patchwerk boss until everyone has finished his soccer

Makes me think of xymox, no one has fun except the dudes doing seeds

[sour frigate]

CN xymox was really fun ye

[undone flower]

@whole yacht prices are in fact even lower than what I posted

I Will Check the logs, I’m curious if in 12s the buyer plays

[iron portal]

Hey man. Me too

Kek

But i blasted with logs at least...

[undone flower]

I didn’t killed the last too, was my first myth raid, with the guild I created with friends 2 raid days never extend, exactly 20 players

It was scuffed guild but best time I had in wow tbh
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/progress/518224?zone=24

[halcyon birch]

It really depends on the main Io and spec. People who main tank or healer suck in alt dps, but 3k Rio dps mains blast on shitty alts

[whole yacht]

Sheesh.

[whole yacht]

They 100% do. But they aren't required to be good. Just participate to do at least SOME damage.

It's that way in all communities beyond 10

[tidal kindle]

Funny way of spelling court

[whole yacht]

Kyveza is NOT the best fight

[warm crag]

explode

we recleared in 4 pulls which was pretty good cause it means that we only had to spend 4 pulls on court

[chrome plover]

I think maybe kyveza is the best fight

but havent progged queen yet

[warm crag]

queen was probably better until the newest nerf hit

[chrome plover]

oh

[warm crag]

ye idk

queen p2 is probably the hardest phase in the entire raid now which is so shit

[undone flower]

I saw people say now ansurek is just the boss after silken if you know what I mean, is it true ?

[warm crag]

i mean not really? if you haven't killed it yet it will still be a 200+ pull boss for you

[tidal kindle]

It's still essentially

Heroic w/ extra steps

If you got any prog on it prior to nerf

Any relevant* prog

[undone flower]

I didn’t kill silken yet but people I know who started ansurek after the nerf the prog, it’s less than silken now

[warm crag]

its just asking for a different skill set to solve

[undone flower]

And I just saw the whole 2/3 raid per week guilds fill the hall of fame in a week after the nerf

[fervent yoke]

Guys for AoE slayer can I drop sudden death? I feel like I’m over using execute and I have a bad habit of pressing shiny button

[hardy remnant]

Planning to play again warrior for this season and the rest of the Xpac, being a zandalari troll, im tempted by leveling a dracthyr or a dwarf what do you guys suggest for m+, probably high keys as race?

[fervent yoke]

Dwarf if you are gonna do m plus, stoneform too good

[frigid temple]

go vulpera and mog on people who need a racial to time keys

[hardy remnant]

kekw

[frigid temple]

nah but fr

[frigid temple]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/which-races-racials-help-more-in-m-raids/474155/2

[hardy remnant]

thx didnt know this existed

[iron portal]

basically be nelf

Prosper

[chrome plover]

dwarf/nelf for m+
mechagnome for raid
but tbh the differences are pretty niche/irrelevant for 99.9% of players so just pick what you like

and they are also subject to change pretty often

[frigid temple]

I go female panda for the dance

[iron portal]

Be human and never worry about stun mechanic

[hardy remnant]

oh its bloodmallet data, well still i think dwarf is a good pick for a new start. Zanda screaming too much, my mates always complaining

[chrome plover]

me goblin

[undone flower]

Don’t know if murlok.io is good tho

[frigid temple]

are those percents or a count? wtf

[hardy remnant]

count on top players

[undone flower]

It’s count

[frigid temple]

oh gotcha, I was gonna say 45 is a pretty shallow sample size

[undone flower]

The sample is 50 I think on murlok

And 100 on archon if I remember but can’t find race data on it

[hardy remnant]

dwarf probably best race for pug, the ability to dispel yourself

nelf prob for some mdi shit

[frigid temple]

I almost went dwarf for last boss SOB in the first week or so

that dot was aids

[summer quail]

i mean i think alot of this is just people staying night elf from previous seasons. this season meld isn't that insane

[hardy remnant]

also i guess this is a dmg increase in our burst windows right? crit dmg isnt crit chance, correct me if im wrong

[summer quail]

i mean that's just a crit damage increase at all times. dwarf is really high up there dps wise

[frigid temple]

mechagnome is bis for damage

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t go mechagnome tho

If I cared about m+ races*

[manic pelican]

You guys are sleeping on dracs

[undone flower]

What is good with dracthyr as warrior ?

[hardy remnant]

y, high m+ isnt about 1% more dmg, utilities changes everything

prbably 1 more cc

and small mastery nonus

[summer quail]

for other classes sure. for warrior? nahh. the best thing about dracthyr is the mobility, and warrior has tons of that

[undone flower]

Isn’t it 3 min cd ?

[hardy remnant]

i think so, but it's still an extra cc

[summer quail]

really not sleeping on dracthyr at all. if you're progging mythic ansurek sure it's very good only then

[undone flower]

You can dispel yourself every 3 min if you take bitter immunity, would you take it ?

[summer quail]

if it was a knockup i would agree. but it's a knockback, will fuck you over alot of the time

[manic pelican]

Any pull mechs its pretty nice

[hardy remnant]

used to take it, but i dont rly remember what i had to sacrifice for it

[exotic copper]

does anyone know the answer? I'm very curious

[undone flower]

I think you have both as dracthyr no ?

[summer quail]

no

[manic pelican]

No just the kb

[hardy remnant]

no its another spell

[summer quail]

1 is evoker exclusive

[undone flower]

It’s just the knock back ?

[summer quail]

yuh

[undone flower]

Which warrior would be dracthyr

[hardy remnant]

yes, but its still fine, i play aug myslef, doing some 12s atm, its still a good cc

[manic pelican]

Kb is nice for clearing orbs in m+ or adds on queen

[summer quail]

if you like the look of the race or you're progging queen go dracthyr. i personally wouldn't swap just for queen even tho i recognize it would help a decent amount

[undone flower]

Which orbs ?

[manic pelican]

The affix

[hardy remnant]

prob talkin about affiix

[undone flower]

Oh but it’s only below 12s

[hardy remnant]

how to bully ppl doing low keys xD

[manic pelican]

Didn’t know we were speaking exclusively about 12+ thought it was in general

[chrome plover]

i would just keep playing goblin

[undone flower]

Would you race change for m+ if you do below 12s keys ?

[manic pelican]

Goblins are the New Jersey boys of WoW

[chrome plover]

if you are thinking about changing race for keys then you are probably thinking about 12+

[manic pelican]

Nah not me. I did it just cuz when it became available as a curiosity and just came to enjoy it

[hardy remnant]

nah of course not, i already have a geared zanda war and im considering leveling again, even when i was doin high keys with my zanda on SL or DF i never considreid going for race change, its too expensive imo. thats why im considereing leveling again this sime since i didnt start to play on my war yet

[summer quail]

if pushing for m+ dwarf or nelf. only those 2 are above the rest, meld and stoneform are just too good

[undone flower]

I think dwarf or Nelf is the way yes

[summer quail]

whichever is better depends on the season. for this one it's prob dwarf.

i do not know enough about the returning dungeons to guestimate next season nor have i studied the TWW dungeons. so can't help for next season

[hardy remnant]

yup, thx for the discussion about race for fury. i guess ill level a brand new dwarf

[manic pelican]

They’re both really solid depending on your group imo.

[undone flower]

Nelf is just more techy to use

[manic pelican]

The only beef I got with dwarves is how they run…complete vanity…an aesthetic that drives me bonkers

[summer quail]

Now if they are about equal for utility across dungeons, dwarf does more damage and stoneform gives a small amount of damage reduction

[trim hound]

Dark Iron Dwarf gives like 7k Strength for 8 seconds when you use their version of Stoneform aswell. But if it's being used defensively it probably wont be optimal for dps

[summer quail]

nightelf has flips when jumping tho which is a big plus

[summer quail]

they don't have the passive crit damage dwarf does tho, so they kinda suck in comparison

[manic pelican]

Jedi

[undone flower]

I would chose personally dwarf, because I’m tank lol

[undone flower]

And you have female nelf, big plus

[summer quail]

oh yeah, if you're ever gonna tank go dwarf. it's almost required to be dwarf, negates so many prot weaknesses

[trim hound]

I'm sure the 4% movespeed indoors makes up for it, jk 😄

[undone flower]

Yes if I plan to push I immediately race change to dwarf as tank

[manic pelican]

I wonder if the racials being buffed some in the soon future will impact the play on their utility desirability for us

[undone flower]

Nop, they didn’t nerf stoneform or meld, so it will not change

[median olive]

When enchanting your two 2h weapons, do you want different enchants on the or the same? Which one is arguably the better to enchant if it's the same on both?

[chrome plover]

they directly stack with each other

so 2 of the same is fine

and usually the best option

[fossil hull]

no one knows the WA pack crit cake uses in videos ?

which gives audio warnings for defenvies and targeted

[median dust]

it's probably the first one u get when u google and he customizes it a bit

Authority of Storms trigger the Queen Ring? Anyone know? It's nature, so I assume it does. idk

[warm crag]

if it does nature damage it will but simc would account for this

see what on where

[median dust]

ignore that. wrong discord 🙂

Critcake out here doing 15 NW's with no healer and I'm watching pugs brick my key by standing in shit on 13's. lol

[summer quail]

tbf prot pala basically is a healer

[undone flower]

Made me think, I was in a gb and the obviously fresh pala prot dies from getting lava fisted so I taunted the golem and just facetanked the pack from 50% to 0%

[median dust]

My 13 GB bricked because the tank died to crush on last boss, and blamed everyone else for not using defensives. All because he had to BR the shaman who was getting his face kicked in by the adds during the AOE

[opal sapphire]

i mean if u go giga crazy on the adds and die to aggro, you're shit.

[undone flower]

I don’t usually have dps point of view but when I do : wtf shit always happens in GB

[opal sapphire]

if tank suddenly has to ress a shit fuckup its understandable he loses focus

[median dust]

Add's were not dying till after the AoE. I think that's pretty common knowledge at that high of a key. I guess I shouldn't assume everythingthough

[undone flower]

Like tank randomly dying from second boss melees, it happened too many times that I remember it

Not tank buster or kite, just melees

[median dust]

I mean.. If you lose focus and do not have a wall up because you have to hit the rez button. 😭

[undone flower]

It was a druid, a pala and a dh if I remember correctly when it occurred, after each time I was « I’ll never dps again GB »

Still no ring btw

[frozen portal]

My other warrior is doing more damage with roar on brood and we’re same spec

Should I be popping rose the moment eggs pop since it has 12 y range?

Roar

[coarse nest]

Same build?

[frozen portal]

Just mean we have same talents set

Sry

[coarse nest]

How much “more” damage? Like 1-2% or like 10-20% etc

Lots of variables honestly
Could be getting more targets
Could be getting more dot ticks
Etc

[summer quail]

just copy where he stands then, also are you both using the same trinkets? big gear difference etc?

[coarse nest]

Could be ilvl
Could be stat distribution