fury

[restive peak]

You excited to do the keep a candle mini game dungeon as an M+? How about 1 shot all melee on high keys with the unavoidable conc in the church one? They’re gonna be dog as fuck lol

[charred panther]

Sad, I can’t even remember the other 4, LOL

[tepid solar]

Do you need all r3 mats for charged claymore? Does only 5 star build give you 636?

[charred panther]

Oh, yea, the church one. Rookery

[restive peak]

Ara Kara and DB are fairly good dungeons tbh. Rookery first boss is another “ranged are way better” boss as well. The next 4 are going to be awful

[charred panther]

Oh gawd

Dark flame cleft

Yea, that one will suck

[restive peak]

Yep

[charred panther]

Meadery boss should be interesting

W the refills

[restive peak]

I think the next 4 are all terrible honestly, season 2 is going to be considered the worst season in the past several expansions imo

Barring massive changes

[charred panther]

Have they announced the partner dungeons for ssn 2?

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail meow

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry meowdy meowder

[teal pine]

We hate rookery for sure.
Only did darkflame once and the cart part was cringe but i dont even remember the rest of the dungeon so idk how i feel about it.
I like priory and meadery though

[summer quail]

you think so? idk rookery and priory seem pretty fun to me, except rookery first boss i guess

[teal pine]

Surely they make the birds hitbox bigger when he flies to the middle in m+

or just make it immune

[mossy fox]

surely

[teal pine]

no way they do melee like that

[mossy fox]

idk this season has been melee season

about time ranged makes a comeback

for once 🙂

[modest condor]

yeah when does ranged ever get to be meta, it's always melee 😠

[main dragon]

As an orc warrior, when do we use blood fury? Obviously the first cast is with avatar, but then it gets out of sync. Do we just use it off cooldown after the first avatar or do I just hold it till the next avatar cast?

[steel shard]

Yea i think they need to buff shadowpriest and mages

been a long time since they have been meta

[young swan]

holy shit they just shot ansurek in the head

jesus christ

[steel shard]

yea lmao

not even 100 guilds have cleared yet

man

this is why i stopped mythic raiding

when they just fucking throw nerfs like this

[modest condor]

damn mythic ansurek is dead

[restive peak]

Personally think those 4 look worse than these 4

[modest condor]

gonna be 3000 guilds killing it this week

[young swan]

yep true

[modest condor]

even guilds that havent even killed kyvesa yet are gonna kill mythic ansurek now

[restive peak]

Yeah they just mangled her wtf

[mossy fox]

tf

[sudden tusk]

bro they kist

TURBOED queen

LMAO

[mossy fox]

we had a 2.02% pull today

very sad

[restive peak]

I mean seriously though we’re like halfway through the HOF

[sudden tusk]

P1 isnt even gonna be the same what the fuck

[steel shard]

know the pain

[restive peak]

So like it needed to be shot in the head

[steel shard]

was so fun getting consitently past raz p1

and next week

GIGA NERF

fuck of blizzard

[sudden tusk]

the only nerf this boss needed was removing a web blade in P1

shotgunning it like this idk

maybe gloom blast too but idk

[small dome]

SMF is a no go right?

[young swan]

yeah its pretty bad

[sudden tusk]

its doable, but the damage loss isnt worth the time

so you just go arms loot spec and 2h foreer

[fluid cedar]

yall had much fun with the AM/Thane m+ build? haven't tried it since the changes

not doing any serious pushing just weekly 10s. like 622 ilvl with solid stats/items

just curious what the recommended build would be running AM if yall have had more luck with one vs others. saw someone post a few the other night but havent tried it yet

[oblique trail]

gg Ansurek

[drifting barn]

I've been enjoying AM thane in keys, you have a cooldown for pretty much every pack

[iron portal]

gg bane

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304357622866247772/Banezi_chomp.gif

[hardy wadi]

i just tested slayer am, feels good to have cds but it feels weird with bloodthirst and raging blow, feels like i could go for opportunist and not the other one that buffs my bloodthirst? :x any opinions on this?

[oblique trail]

You could reasonably pick either one

Simwise they're not far from each other at all, so it's not a significant choice

[hardy wadi]

did you test it?

[oblique trail]

And as AM you don't think about either at all

[hardy wadi]

so could i ginore bloodthirst go for opportunist and ignroe reap the storm or whats the name?

[oblique trail]

No that's not at all what I'm saying

[summer quail]

how to get mythic transmitter? die early on the pull and get a 0 log

[hardy cargo]

you dont wish to ignore bt even if you arent running fierce followthrough

[oblique trail]

I'm saying that the choice you make between Opportunist and Fierce Followthrough doesn't matter, as AM you don't play around them

[hardy cargo]

you can however run opportunist as numerically its very close to FF

[oblique trail]

It's different as RA, because you'd ideally want to use those buffs on CB and BB

But you don't have a choice when running AM, where it's just another passive that buffs your damage

[hardy wadi]

so in my cooldowns i priotize rampage all the time but then i should always focus bloodthirst when rampage not up? just for the reap the storm chance?

[oblique trail]

Personally I simply just
Ramp > RB > BT in ST
Ramp > BT > RB in AoE
I don't track the buffs because it's not worth the headache

Technically, up till 5 targets, it should be RB > BT in AoE as well, but I don't know the target amount where this swaps (because of Reap the Storm going past 5 targets), and I've yet to notice a decline or increase on average in my keys from doing either one

[hardy wadi]

appreciate your input :D

i want to make it work for keys up to +12 because its most fun to me

[hardy cargo]

do u play around bloodcraze at all with am banezi or just bt when no rb no thought

[oblique trail]

From personal experience I've done more than well in +11s at least doing the above (2+ mill overall for reference, in various dungeons)

[oblique trail]

I track it but don't think about it

[hardy cargo]

I see

[oblique trail]

I'm also just very lazy at times 👍

[hardy cargo]

the st has me scratching my head a lil, but can be solved by just going thru sim apl prolly

earlier I saw dan playing AM slayer prioing bt over rb

which made me more confused xdd

[oblique trail]

Most of the time I also kept doing the CB > BB > Ramp rotation with ST talents, despite CB > Ramp repeat being technically a bit better

[hardy cargo]

surely thats not still teh cast with tier/bt/bb buffs right

[oblique trail]

Very unlikely

Pre-buffs it was like 0.5%~, more likely to be lower, iirc

[oblique trail]

As for this, I think overthinking the rotation is genuinely just not worth it with how minute some of the technical gains were frankly

[fluid cedar]

any recommendations for M+ AM Thane build? any other talent swaps i should look out for?

[oblique trail]

I personally just hammered the basic priority and would argue I've done plenty fine with it 👍

[edgy widget]

lotta times I do too, just because it's simpler and requires less brain power

[oblique trail]

Yeah it's how I've played most of this season really

Knowing about the small extra gains you could squeeze out from playing around opportunist etc

But simply just didn't care enough to actually do so

[summer quail]

i think ågård said it was like 4k dps loss to do so

[oblique trail]

post buffs? or pre

[summer quail]

post i think, lemme see if i can find the comment

yo benzai this is post buffs right? i am very timeblind @oblique trail

[oblique trail]

That's the 2 days right after the buffs yes

[summer quail]

ye i'll gladly take the 2k dps loss

[tardy lark]

👋

[tepid solar]

What missive for charged claymore? Mastery and haste

[oblique trail]

Mastery + anything

Can't really go wrong with Mastery + Haste, or Mastery + Versatility. If you want to be absolutely certain, you can sim it in Top Gear by adding the sword with both crafted stats

[tepid solar]

Ty

[restive peak]

They're also so minor they're within the mercy of RNG anyway, and I would say 99% of players will lose DPS overthinking it lol

[torpid sand]

My priest died 7 times before the first boss of Arakara

How is that even possible

[feral ivy]

the orb captain in dawn... is the orb ability growing and showing while she cast's it? like the boss it grows in size

[clever belfry]

okay mr flex

[feral ivy]

i cant see it till its already casted and massive orb randomly spawns

[oblique trail]

flexing dn

[clever belfry]

ok show

[oblique trail]

🇩 🥜

[restive peak]

In for nut flex

Anda did you guys kill or do you get to enjoy the freelo next week

[clever belfry]

lmao we are not close to killing

extreme grief is occuring

[restive peak]

Web blades?

[clever belfry]

everything

[restive peak]

Sadness is real

Night 3 of silken over here, should kill though, we had a few 10%ers Wed

[sudden tusk]

ansurek is a boss you can go hard doomer on

for sure

[restive peak]

24/100 HOF at this point

Shotgun suddenly seems fair

[warm crag]

?

[lost saffron]

?

[gleaming siren]

what are you waffling about

[restive peak]

NA has 24 guilds that have killed Ansurek

[lost saffron]

NA XD

[restive peak]

Seems low AF, maybe I'm just high and not considering

[lost saffron]

Nah its normal

[restive peak]

HOF is region based brotherman, I'm well aware EU giga fucks us

[lost saffron]

there is barely any good na guilds

you are right

[warm crag]

hof isnt region based anymore like for a while or

[gleaming siren]

it hasn't been for a while

200 all regions

[restive peak]

Why did I still think it was wut

Ohhhh right

Well then I revert to my "I'm high" answer

[gleaming siren]

it's ~100 kills so far

[restive peak]

Brain goes back in time sometimes

[gleaming siren]

about halfway full

[oblique trail]

merkel

[young swan]

I mean HoF is as slow as amirdrassil

so

[restive peak]

Still feels low, maybe it's just cuz the middle of tier was so oppressive feeling

[young swan]

pretty fucking bad

also 1 less boss

[gleaming siren]

Same speed as Amirdrassil

[young swan]

even worse!

[restive peak]

Whereas all of us stuck on tindral felt like it made more sense

[lost saffron]

I want someone to spit monster into my mouth

[restive peak]

The crazy brood wall was wild

[oblique trail]

toph seek aid

[restive peak]

We got a monster rn

[gleaming siren]

Brood really isn't that crazy of a wall

[young swan]

out of touch

[lost saffron]

Is this a genuine reply, or do you not know the meme?

[restive peak]

For everyone but the top 30 or so, brood was insanely long for a 5th boss

[oblique trail]

both

[lost saffron]

Wdym

[oblique trail]

actually

[lost saffron]

It was a wall

[oblique trail]

I do know of the meme

[lost saffron]

for the top 30

and not for anyone else

[oblique trail]

toph you are cute but should also seek some aid I think

[gleaming siren]

Average pullcount for Brood is 105-156

[young swan]

it was a wall

for 300 guilds

are u daft

[gleaming siren]

it's kinda long for a fifth

[restive peak]

Yeah and consider that's factoring every post nerf kill

[young swan]

literally 300 guilds

just hard stuck on that boss

for a week

cause they didnt nerf

yeah guys

[restive peak]

Where as a lot of the top 50-100 was stuck for a lot longer than any 5th I've ever seen

Awful fight

[lost saffron]

Yes but that is not because ovinax was overtuned or too hard

but because the first 4 were too easy

I dont think that makes ovinax a wall

[gleaming siren]

it's still on the hard side

[young swan]

yeah but it just was

[restive peak]

Ovinax was much harder than the 5th bosses of the last tiers I can remember by a noteable amount

[lost saffron]

It is difficult for a 5th boss yes

okay

halondrus

would like a word

with you

[young swan]

ah yes

[restive peak]

Only compareable boss I can remember around midpoint was Painsmith/Halondrus

[young swan]

famously one of the hardest bosses ever

in one of the hardest tiers ever

[lost saffron]

Painsmith as well

[restive peak]

God painsmith was such a good fuckin fight

[young swan]

that blizzard admitted to fucking up on

[lost saffron]

I think this tier was one of the hardest ones

overall

[young swan]

this tier

was also a colossal fuck up

in regards to tuning

just a repeat of amirdrassil

[restive peak]

This tier has been a slog tbh

I enjoyed smolderon a lot tbh and fyrakk

So I dont hate amir

[lost saffron]

I think it was better than every tier last expansion

but thats just personal fun wise

tuning wise etc. no

[gleaming siren]

Amirdrassil had the same issue kinda where first 5 were extremely trivial with any gear and then Smolderon was a bit harder, it's just not as hard as the 5th/6th of Palace 🤷‍♂️

[restive peak]

Zskarn/nelth WA was a bit of a bad mark on aberrus too, but it was a good tier mostly

[lost saffron]

Aberrus was not a good tier

way too easy

tuning wise

its the opposite direction of this tier

[restive peak]

Yeah I think the smolder/tindral wall felt better than the brood/kyveza 1 did early on, cuz it was "closer" to the end

[lost saffron]

But just as bad

[restive peak]

I would pick another aberrus before another of this, personally

[lost saffron]

I would not

I dont enjoy second to last boss taking 35 pulls

[leaden spoke]

I do not want to play neltharion ever again

[lost saffron]

and last boss taking 80 pulls

[warm crag]

you have not pulled 2 second seed tindral or

[torpid sand]

GUYS ARE WE GETTING BUFFED

[young swan]

no

[torpid sand]

let me cope

[young swan]

no

[wary fjord]

probably at one point in the future, never know when it could be, could be next patch, could be next xpac

[summer quail]

we are in the perfect spot, if we get buffed guarantee you we get nerfed

[restive peak]

Oh it sucked but at least it was the penultimate, yaknow?

Yeah we're super good rn, very balanced, no changes pls blizz

[lost saffron]

I do not think

[warm crag]

are bosses not allowed to be difficult/intricate if they're not penultimate/last or

[lost saffron]

this is good design

[restive peak]

They are, but brood felt like shit going from 4/8 getting blendered

[lost saffron]

tbh I think this is better than the other way around

you have 4 bosses that you can farm for gear

and then you can tackle the harder bosses

and they give pretty damn good loot too

[restive peak]

I guess there are arguments and people on both side, I see both sides, I think I'm also just getting old man

Gotta yell at kids on the grass sometimes and such yaknow

[storm rune]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-cloud-old-man-news-gif-14394596

[restive peak]

^ this

Adding that to the favs

[fluid cedar]

AM thane feeling pretty good to run in m+

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-baby-rage-you-are-baby-gif-18139929

[young swan]

lost to vesper

[dapper goblet]

3x our hours

killed an hour apart

dead guild

w in my books

[young swan]

cope

[cyan star]

3x more hours fighting the boss while it was harder less gear idk I’m just trying to fuel the fire

[oblique trail]

meanwhile Vildk is the highest geared individual on planet earth because he CHEATED

And probably stole gear that Xeos would've otherwise gotten

[dapper goblet]

i got fucked

[dapper goblet]

we got to the boss before them

also meant 3x hours total for the tier

[cyan star]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[sudden tusk]

xeos owns

[hardy cargo]

real

[oblique trail]

If it makes you feel better, in our guild our enhance was the highest geared by far

maybe EU guilds > NA guilds?

[summer quail]

wtf, logged out in full 639 gear no embellies

[oblique trail]

That's his real gear he just doesn't want to tell people

[dapper goblet]

implode

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-explode-gif-5592816

[sudden tusk]

sky

[dapper goblet]

i got transmitter and then they made enh a 2min class

minus w/e crests that was

[oblique trail]

our enhance has simply just pulled skardyn and sac from vault

👍

[dapper goblet]

i have sac but thats it

[oblique trail]

some people just deserve more than others

[dapper goblet]

still lightsaberless

[oblique trail]

I don't think he has mythic lightsaber

nvm he does

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail bed now

[whole yacht]

what is lihgtsaber

[oblique trail]

cheater

[gleaming siren]

@oblique trail bed now

[oblique trail]

unreal gear actually

636 cloak this reset

[whole yacht]

bros JUICED except cloak

[queen linden]

[oblique trail]

I pull Ansurekussy ring in vault wednesday and I will be equal in powerlevel to him

@gleaming siren@clever belfry 1 sekond +/-

[oblique trail]

(I wont)

[main dragon]

Why is it that warriors survival stats are so low on data logs? It seems like we have decent life steel via leech and bloodthirst, also we have decent defensive cooldowns like Impending victory, enraged regen, Rallying cry, bitter immunity

[dapper goblet]

warrior brains

[clever path]

We don’t have 20 percent more health for free like some other classes

[main dragon]

Is it because warrior brain small or do we have less base hp or something

[dapper goblet]

gromnak and xan singlehandedly tanking the survival stats

[main dragon]

oh

I see

[hardy cargo]

LOL

[main dragon]

Why dont we have a lot of hp like dk? It seems like we should be the tankiest class besides them

[sage karma]

1.93m dps in a +8 GB

why doesn't fury get invited to groups

[oblique trail]

Because we do not have a 4free, mandatory, 20% stamina node

But DK does 👍

[sage karma]

they need to remove that shit

[oblique trail]

Ours instead is 10% (for 2 points) at the bottom of our tree

Next to Avatar

[sage karma]

ours should give us like

20% more armour

for 1 point

[oblique trail]

We already have more armour

[sage karma]

buff that then

[oblique trail]

Shrug

It's not gonna make us much tankier

[main dragon]

I guess stamina is just more important than armor cuz the majority of damage in encounters is from aoe magic dmg

[sage karma]

(or just nerf dk)

tbh I don't feel like we're that squishy

[oblique trail]

Buffing the armour node will just give us some more damage

[sage karma]

Arms is squishy tho

[oblique trail]

But a lot of scary stuff that kills you is indeed just magic damage typically

Arms isn't that squishy

Just people are really bad at living on it

Fury you can often get away with making a mistake, pop ER after damage happened, then heal it up

As Arms you gotta pop DBTS before the big damage even happens

But when you compare either spec to classes like DK, then we will look squishy

Because we can't natty soak Web Blades like they can on Mythic Ansurek

[sage karma]

DKs are so stupid

[oblique trail]

They are currently a class of all time

[summer quail]

i think that 5% avoidance arms lost was pretty rough

[oblique trail]

Yeah the 5% avoid loss was silly

[main dragon]

Do people really not invite fury to groups? I thought our damage was pretty good and consistent

[oblique trail]

I don't really get why they did that

Had to get reminded a week or so ago that we actually lost that

[sage karma]

I'm like 2600 rated and people won't take me to +8s

[odd star]

i trust a fury player to pump over a clothie any day of the week

[sage karma]

I wish raider.io would display some metric of peoples' average DPS in keys

I know it's kinda bad for low keys and casual players

but, man

I just wanna play the game

[clever belfry]

banuzzy still awake

Joe biden

[pearl sequoia]

joe biven

[sage karma]

Man, playing with a good aug is fun tho

and this weeks affix

wombo combo

[heavy dock]

funny question does a cleaved execute do more dmg than a regular thunder clap on thane on 5 targets? lol

[oblique trail]

🛏️ ⬅️

[pure echo]

Anyone know why people are running these 2 hero talents on silken now when the other 2 are simming better? just curious.

idk if thers tech idk about or something incorrect in sims

[molten spire]

Is there an amount of mastery where I should look for other stats?

Or do I just sim it?

[velvet canopy]

Sim it

[clever belfry]

external emote abuser

[oblique trail]

[oblique trail]

Crazy Khyle banner

[gilded pawn]

Ctrl f avoidance leech

Then reduced all

[cinder hinge]

is wow analyze up to date for fury?

[oblique trail]

No

[oblique trail]

Good thing they brought everyone else in line then too 👍

[cinder hinge]

dam

[gilded pawn]

Yeah they didn’t ctrl f stamina

[cinder hinge]

should i just not use it then?

[gilded pawn]

Not for rotation no

[cinder hinge]

So i always want to dump my crushing blow and blood bath if im enraged, even if i have enough fury to cast rampage

[clever belfry]

yes

[cinder hinge]

okay. im doing just about my sim dps but i feel so weak 😦

[main dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/gortash-enver-gortash-gortash-bg3-bg3-gortash-bg3-gif-16590864422220443759

bro why does he give gortash vibes

[cinder hinge]

can i let enrage fall b4 casting rampage since it enrages me? or should i try and clip the end of the enrage

[oblique trail]

Rampages enrage applies before any damage is done

[cinder hinge]

ok ty

[oblique trail]

This is the case for all enrage effects, except for bloodthirst/bath

[sinful spoke]

WALLAH WHAT IS THIS THIS FUCKING TIMEWALKING BOX

[covert blaze]

532

[frail trout]

arms lost 5% avoidance? wtf, compared to DF?

[ivory ingot]

[main dragon]

Does anyone know how much the Bwonsamdi loa heals for? Since they are buffing it 50% soon I wonder if it makes it kinda viable for healing purposses

Also, is mountain thane better for delves/solo content?

[storm rune]

ilvl is the most important factor for solo content

[main dragon]

Yeah I know that, I just want to know if I should use mountain thane or slayer for delves and such

[storm rune]

Personally I go prot and pull the entire dungeon to the final boss, stunning packs if I have to interact with anything

If you're really low ilvl you might wanna go slayer, pull packs 1 at a time and burst em down then wait for cds to reset

[oblique trail]

Yes 👍

[neat gazelle]

Can fury warriors still hang or are we on a deep downward spiral

[storm rune]

Repeat of DF

[silk wharf]

Always doom like doomkins so we can say we're terrible but be brought to every high level activity.

[viscid condor]

its rampage > cb > rb > bb now on thane? was watching noxivv do keys

[summer quail]

in what content? they can definetely hang in all content, however in raid we are actually insane

[neat gazelle]

@summer quail I’ll pay you for 10 min of your time in a hot mess lmfao

[storm rune]

https://tenor.com/view/glenn-quagmire-family-guy-giggity-gif-4084933

[cinder hinge]

whats the fury haste dr cap?

[summer quail]

huh, what what

[smoky vale]

rogue needs to be shot in the head

the rogue here was 563 ilevel in a 10

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[neat gazelle]

@summer quail add me

[covert blaze]

why are you looking at damage taken

[smoky vale]

zhai he was 563 ilevel

[heavy dock]

your point

he took the least dmg ? :D

[main dragon]

What do you guys think is easier to play, fury warrior or ret paladin?

[smoky vale]

re

t

[gilded pawn]

With or without hekili

[smoky vale]

without

[storm rune]

where does ret's inflated apm come from?

[latent hedge]

Procs

[boreal cairn]

Neither are hard but ret is for sure easier, only argument they could have is they have alot of utility to bind/know how to use

[remote zephyr]

How many people do you usually put on a strike team in mythic bloodbound horro?

[marsh agate]

There’s no reason to get 3 star mats to make the enchanted gilded harbinger crest is there?

[chilly fractal]

no

unless you like wasting money

[chilly fractal]

for the solo add on the other side of the room? like 1-2 people

[low folio]

so for the first time im hearing reflect sounds on the last boss of siege randomly

[fiery harbor]

in this raid specifically. if we were doing amirdrasil rn we would be top tier garbo on half the raid

[storm birch]

anyone know the proper timing for reflecting putrid waters? I have tried right before the cast and right before it hits my mid-air and after many attempts have only reflected it once

[storm birch]

oh i didn't read back what are the chances you're already mentioning this

[low folio]

if thats what i reflected, it happened as the octopus

did the animation to cast it

[storm birch]

yea i just dont know the right timing

[low folio]

atleast thats what i assume because it definitely cant be reflected once the projectile is created

[modest condor]

it's the swirlies on the floor kind of

it doesnt actually do anything

you're not reflecting the actual damage from the swirlies, it just reflects something that has to do with that mechanic

i can say with 100% certainty that you can't reflect putrid waters

[low folio]

does it like prevent the swirlies from appearing

[modest condor]

no

[storm birch]

ok ok

that's good to know cause I'd rather have SR last the entirety of the dot rather than use it before to try to reflec tlol

[modest condor]

eh

depends on the keylevel i guess, if the application doesnt hit you for like 80% of your hp you can use reflect for the dot

[storm birch]

Well I was testing it in the 13 I just did and the initial damage was manageable but the dot ticks hard without SR. IV usually replenishes a tick but

once SR falls off if I use it early it really hurts

[modest condor]

i mean it's a weird mechanic because the application does twice the damage of the ticks

so as you get higher, the application actually becomes dangerous, and that's what you want to have your short cooldown DR up for

but that's not really relevant until like 15+

[storm birch]

yea that makes sense

[modest condor]

another thing you can do is pre-use IV when you see the projectile is on you, then you get the 10% max hp bonus and it will heal you shortly after impact

altho im not sure if the heal is in time or if it takes too long

i think it's 5 seconds after using it

[calm swallow]

I feel like I'm doing something wrong >_< (10 SV)

[modest condor]

that's kinda low thunderblast damage

[calm swallow]

I hit it on CD as far as I can recall

[modest condor]

i personally dont play AM but i think my thunderblast was like 14% of my damage or something when i was playing it

let me check if i still have a screenshot

[calm swallow]

I liiked having Ravager up more but I am not loving the overall feel of AM, which is weird cause I usually love AM

[modest condor]

probably a different dungeon ofcourse, but yeah

oh wait you're playing OF

with AM you wanna drop OF

[calm swallow]

o_O What do we take?

[modest condor]

double vicious contempt

and take berserkers torment instead of titans torment

[calm swallow]

No... OF....

Okay, I'll try that

So this?

[modest condor]

take the 2 points out of crit and put them into haste

[wispy dock]

You can always play that build he was talking about with RA and have big thicc boi bloodbaths

[hardy cargo]

I think u can also come out of bloodborne and put it into doi but perhaps that comes from elsewhere

[modest condor]

and you can also drop bloodborne and 1 point in deft experience and put them into the AM followup nodes

but that's optional

[hardy cargo]

2/2deft sims better for me than ubf does

at least lsat I simmed it

[modest condor]

for me it was equal

[wispy dock]

I personally like that build but with RA

[calm swallow]

Maybe?

[hardy cargo]

other one below am

[modest condor]

no, you wanna drop the crit points

[calm swallow]

Oh derp

[hardy cargo]

oh yeah and that drop critical thinking for deft experience above ravager

[modest condor]

yeah that's good

[wispy dock]

Is the consensus that AM is more overall/trash damage but RA is prio/ ST with thane?

[modest condor]

nah the main thing is having ravager on every pack vs having bigger burst on a longer cooldown

[wispy dock]

Just trying to get a feel where I’d be most useful in my group for keys

[low folio]

the rotation of am with thane feels so odd with so many talents into raging blow

[modest condor]

with RA you delete every other pack, with AM you do respectable damage to every pack

i mean you still prio rb on singletarget

and even if you prio bt on aoe you do press rb

[calm swallow]

Brb 10 AK

[low folio]

ya i get that the talents are there for single target but i guess i just like the RA charges

but am feels like you can worry less about when to send cooldowns

[storm birch]

Does anyone have trouble getting their recklessness back on M brood for the second set of adds? I always get egg targeted and am one rampage short of reck being back up before adds hatch and then I have to pop super late. Driving me crazy I feel like I'm missing something

actually thinking back maybe I'm not doing the initial rampage after the first charge HMMM. I'm gonna make sure I do that tomorrow night see if it helps

oh wait. Nvm that would impact first egg hatch. Nvm not sure

[storm rune]

are you charge weaving?

[storm birch]

like dipping out and using charge throughout fight for more rage? nah maybe that's why i'm not farming enough rage

[restive narwhal]

It will always be very close on 2nd Set. If you get Webs or Egg without Bossrange its over.
If you dont get anything you always should get it back.

[storm birch]

this was my thoughts cause when i get no eggs it's perfectly fine. Wasn't sure if people were consistently getting it back even with mechanics

I was kinda fumbling my keybinds though because I had to take my macro off so I didn't cast avatar at start and that fried my brain so maybe I'm not playing crisp either tbh

[storm rune]

good example as to why you should always have them on their own separate keybind

build that muscle memory

[storm birch]

I like my spoiled macro 😢

[restive narwhal]

Just send everything without rek then and forget about it.

[storm birch]

I changed some binds up and I think i have it sorted now. I won't be so jumbled. Sometimes the adds would spawn and I'd have to sit for a quick second and think about what order I need to cast in because I'm used to the macro

I'm spoilt af

[restive narwhal]

Thats abselutely normal. I did the same and had the same Problems. After some Pulls it gets normal. Dont stress yourself too much to not fuck up and relax. You wont kill Ovi in the first 20 Pulls.

[storm birch]

yea that's true. We got a 30% pull and my damage on average throughout the night was like 2.3 mil on average so def lots to improve on but I think tomorrow night will be a big change for me. Trialing with this new guild though so I was so frustrated that i kept freezing up

[restive narwhal]

One Tip i can give you is switch DPS Details to Deaths or Kicks or whatever. So you dont get distracted by it during the Fight.

[calm swallow]

Well I died like 4 times during this 10 AK, including on the last bsos cause the f***ing DH dropped his green sh!t on me, but I don't feel like this did any better than OF/RA....

[restive narwhal]

You WILL be doing good DPS on this Fight if you play the right Build.

[storm birch]

that's actually a really good tip I'm always peeking down and getting mad when I freeze up

[restive narwhal]

Do you play 2 on use ?

[storm birch]

Nah I use mark and sac

[restive narwhal]

No Shard in your Bags ?

[storm birch]

i had one at 613 but was capped on gilded so i ditched it.

I haven't looked at it vs mark. Is it typically better performing ?

[restive narwhal]

I used mark and shard. It will defintily perform better then Sac. I tried it.

All your DMG will come from your Burst on the Adds. 2 on use will pump up a lot these short Burst Windows.

[storm birch]

ahhh to alternate for packs

i hadn't thought of that

[restive narwhal]

Yeah

Also you can use the weaker one on Pull

[hardy cargo]

Well if you use your stronger trinket (transmitter) on pull then you’ll have it for every avatar

[restive narwhal]

You can, i always used Ava on 1st Eggs for max Burst where you know you 100% have everything. On 2nd Eggs, you cant be sure you have Rek back. But i think it is also playable. Depends on how quick first Adds die. If they die too quick, i would Ava on 2nd Eggs too.

[weary sail]

are fury top tier now or critcake just a god

[storm rune]

Judging by the dooming around here, it's a player diff

[sudden tusk]

depends on dungy/pulls

[fading sky]

Not player qrva is good

[modest condor]

i mean it doesnt, neither build really does better overall or anything, it's just a different damage profile

[calm swallow]

Well what;s the "better" option for MT in a 10+

I'm not asking cause I only wanna "pLaY tHe mEtA" but cause I genuinely can't figure out which is doing better for me and it just kinda seems to be all over the feckin place

[storm birch]

I find furya bit more competitive since the buffs but still have a hard time keeping up with enh sham

[fading sky]

Thane

[calm swallow]

-_-

No shit sherlock

[modest condor]

i mean that's up to you

would you rather do big burst every other pack or smaller burst every pack

[calm swallow]

I.... I like AM, and always have, but it feels really weird to prioritize BT after spending the last God-only-knows-how-many seasons focusing on RB

Especially since RB is what gives me Lightning Bolt procs which got buffed and also seem strong?

[modest condor]

hey now, it's only been 1.5 seasons since we focused bt

[calm swallow]

Okay we had s3 of DF which gave us Annihilator but that just replaced RB with Slam. Besides that every season since................................................................. BFA 1? Focused RB

[modest condor]

s2-4 of bfa focused on bt

s1-2 of sl still had bt prio over rb

[calm swallow]

Maybe I'm just mildly traumatised from SL S3-S4 where the only button we pressed was RB 400x with an occasional Rampage (hyperbole)

[modest condor]

it's only since sl s3 that bt got removed from the rotation

well, "only"

that's still a whole expansion

[timid prairie]

since when does the bis list include the haste/vers helmet from NW over the tier piece (also haste/vers with a better stat spread) and the tier gloves (crit/vers) over ovinaxx haste/mastery gloves?

that seems nonsensical

[calm swallow]

I mean... if you took general-raid gear (haste/verse NW and haste/mast gloves from Ov) you'd only have 3pc tier soooooooooo....... Gotta relinquish one of those for tier

[modest condor]

feel free to sim the difference for yourself

also nobody cares about bis lists so they're not exactly high effort

[calm swallow]

[timid prairie]

yeah so you slot in the haste/vers tier helmet over the haste/vers helmet from NW lol

unless the vers heavy stat spread suddenly makes it pull ahead, considering that is also like the worst stat

[chilly fractal]

I need engineering bracers to start simming as a downgrade by the time I loot 2 more sockets or get a good belt in my vault…

[halcyon birch]

does it matter if i press avatar or recklessness first?

[twilit harbor]

yes, if you have titan's torment you should cast reckless as you charge in and avatar once you're in melee range

[weary sail]

realsitically i think most ppl just macro them together

[steady mountain]

Flame wrath champipn version sims more than any other weapon. Is it worth to get hero version?

Is that really that good weapon or is it only good at sims

[gilded pawn]

only good on pure ST

better the lower ilevel you are

[dark sky]

Works pretty well in practice even in cleave situations, terrible on burst aoe like ovinax or dungeon packs tho

Mythic track weapons are more versatile so they replace it 100% but if you don't have access to a mythic track weapon it's easily bis

[gilded pawn]

"easily bis" is a strong word

its not good in cleave because of how the proc works

and you cant visibly see the damage loss from the stats loss

without simming

its not bad as an offhand though

[dark sky]

Yeah I meant as an offhand ofc

with Ascendance 636 mainhand

[gilded pawn]

thats what im saying, its not "easily bis" but its not bad either

[upper mica]

so is mountain thane the preferred spec for m+ now?

[dry tide]

With Anger Management, can Fury reliably have CDs available to blow on every parasite set on Ovinax M?

[radiant plank]

y

[fading sky]

Love how i havent touched wow for a week, i had pleasantly forgotton how hard it is to get into a +10 key at itemlvl 626 ^_^

actively declined 😄

[opaque cypress]

every +10 key has dps with 2.6k+ rating applying

[sage karma]

yeah you kinda need to run your own keys for +10s

or go prot

I'm 2600 and don't get invited to +8/9s though

fury life

[covert blaze]

i get declined to 10s at 634

my io is low tho

cause i cba i just do dawnbreaker for weeklies

[rancid karma]

Guys you recommande 2 craft weapon ?

[halcyon birch]

yeah i meant in the macro, i am curious how berserker's tormennt works

[teal pine]

reck first to get double rage from avatar

There used to be bugs with it and the order mattered but they're fixed now.
I think it was still reck first back then, but i dont actually remember

[frigid stirrup]

Does the Thane builds with 1/2 points in VC hit Bloodthirst over Raging Blow (sub 35%) in ST or is it still beneficial to use Raging Blow and not try and fish for Thunder Clap procs?

[fading sky]

mine is prob t he same issue

[fading sky]

Rb rb rb

[earnest pike]

Hey guys I must be stupid or something, but I just did a 10 mists, and the acid nova's were one shotting me on the bug packs near the last one. I am 620, used all the defensives I have plus potions.

Can someone tell me what I might have been doing wrong?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=460092/acid-nova

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=325418/volatile-acid

[sudden tusk]

did you have multiple staghorns in the pulls

[earnest pike]

Yes

[sudden tusk]

yeah the damage stacks

and if you somehow walked in a floor puddle at the same time ur just gonna explode

[earnest pike]

yeah I didn't tho, I have the volitile on me several times, but I didn't stand in the big acid circles. It was when the AOE went off.

[sudden tusk]

got a screen shot of the details death log

[earnest pike]

ill check

[sudden tusk]

looks like you had 2 debuffs on you on the first death so you got hit by both at 70% health already into the hard hitting nova so insta explode

acid expulsion is the ground swirly so you got hit by oneof those which will kill you at most key levels along side being 60% hp already

[mental swan]

Gotta feverishly queue 5 runs at a time for 30+ mins constantly queueing to new runs as you get spam declined to ensure you grab that one unsuspecting leader that says 'Sure, why shouldn't I invite a Fury'

[thick fossil]

They really need to fix the invisible pools on that boss.

[earnest pike]

Yeah I didn't see it on the ground, it could have bugged under some terrain, or I could just be blind.

[earnest pike]

is there anything I can do to avoid getting two stacks?

or is it just random?

[sudden tusk]

havent been in there since they said they fixxed it so idk

[thick fossil]

Mists is still kinda buggy.

[sudden tusk]

random and if your tank pulled mega its possible you had like 7-8 of those debuffs in the group

just big unlucky

technically could have Bitter immunity talented and used in that situation, but its a wasted talent point outside of a freak situation like that so not worth it

no poison dispells hurt alot too

only real defense is Pre enraged regen just to heal yourself to full before the damage hits

or health pot

[thick fossil]

At least they sort of fixed mistcaller balls.

[earnest pike]

Yeah ok, so could the priest have dispelled?

or is it not dispellable?

[thick fossil]

Poison debuff

[fading sky]

that but also every pug key i top dps

[sudden tusk]

priest can do deseaise and magic

[fading sky]

almost

[earnest pike]

Yeah ok

[sudden tusk]

so cant do poision

[earnest pike]

Yeah right

Ok thanks fellas.

[sudden tusk]

so just pray to god you got the pain sup

or they pain supped themselves to keep them alive

[thick fossil]

Shaman, monk, paladin, druid.

Evoker, can they do poison? I forget.

[wraith wasp]

Yes

[fading sky]

yes ?

all of em can ?

[chrome plover]

it's all about ilvl, at 636 i get into 10s np even though i have >2600 score

[thick fossil]

Evoker was the only one I eas unsure of.

[fading sky]

yeah but gl hitting 636 as a non raider 😄

[chrome plover]

first 4 are easy to pug right

[thick fossil]

Yes

[wraith wasp]

Most healers can cleanse poison but sham has to pick a talent for it I think

[chrome plover]

if youve been doing that for 4-5 weeks and got a cheeky rash cloak/sikran neck

i can see 630+ on non-raiders

[fading sky]

yeah but as a NON raider even pug atm

getting into a pug for4 mythic bosses aint easy this time

its just me being slack btw

but all im saying slack is rougher now than ever before

with the extra added mythic track

Heck i need flightstones more than anything prob 😄

[chrome plover]

yeah... then gl getting into 10s

tbf im the same on my warrior

been doing 1 key a week for a while

[fading sky]

i do 4

[chrome plover]

now i have 0 flightstones

[fading sky]

flightstone bonus needs to be buffed

or reduced

200 per part is insane

[chrome plover]

no more reclears after this week so im gonna do more keys for socket

[fading sky]

or well 190

[thick fossil]

I pugged the first 4 this week to juice my vault. Hopefully something big pops out. Cloak, belt, ring, any of the rare drops would be huge.

[fading sky]

i need to upgrade - ring - feet-legs - shoulders

all are mythic trac

k

[wraith wasp]

Prayge

[chrome plover]

i need myth wrists and weapon

for full 639 achi

how is weapon last slot

[thick fossil]

Hell, a heroic Ansurek ring would be a welcome sight.

[fading sky]

Wrist is crafted for me

what did u craft?

[chrome plover]

same but i mean for the achievement

so my alts get a discount

[fading sky]

ah

[chrome plover]

i have 636 weapon, 626 off hand, 619 wrists

rest is 639

[fading sky]

😄

[thick fossil]

Wrists, 2h weapon, neck, shield. The pains of multi spec.

[chrome plover]

i use 626 trinket since no myth sacbrood but have a myth trinket in bags for ilvl

[upper mica]

so mountain thane is the m+ choice now?

[summer quail]

yeah

[upper mica]

guess im going to have to relearn again lol

[thick fossil]

It's easy

[summer quail]

tho if you're not pushing keys and really like slayer it doesn't really matter

[thick fossil]

Replace whirlwind with thunderclap

[upper mica]

just did a 12 ara in slayer and being almost bottom damage sucks lol

[thick fossil]

Eh, even slayer should be fine for 12-13

[chrome plover]

im playing some colossus arms (usually an arms hater) and it's fun tbh

[upper mica]

is that really it?

[summer quail]

there's a bit more to it, but that's the most important part

[chrome plover]

yeah and then just press thunderclap when it turns into shiny thunderblast

[upper mica]

so thunderclap and push big thunderblast when it procs

and thunderclap is more a filler like WW? or does thunderclap allow cleave

[thick fossil]

Thunderclap replaces whirlwind completely

[chrome plover]

thunderclap does everything that whirlwind normally does

so it gives you your 4 whirwlind stacks

[upper mica]

just longer CD lol

[thick fossil]

You don't notice it.

Oh and empowered enrage is a big must with Thane.

[summer quail]

that doesn't matter, you will never hit a scenario where you cannot cleave

[remote bobcat]

how do i sim gems again?

[thick fossil]

Random question, has anyone had any success for AM since the buffs?

[remote bobcat]

someone know?

[upper mica]

empowered enrage?

[chrome plover]

i always play AM in keys

[summer quail]

top gear

[remote bobcat]

when i click top gear and select all gems on raidbots nothing happens

type shit

[chrome plover]

you need to click replace all gems/enchants

[thick fossil]

There is a drop down menu in the gem select. You can set it to 4 gem colors or not. If you want to replace all or some. Etc.

[upper mica]

does your gear have gems in it already?

[remote bobcat]

ahhh

replace all thing

[thick fossil]

Empowered enrage gives you 15% more bonus damage in enrage. Where Frenzied enrage gives you a ton more haste.

[upper mica]

oh the talent powerful - right i got confused lol

this one lol

[thick fossil]

You find it does Ok, or just meh? My Sims show it being less than RA by a decent chunk.

[chrome plover]

i only do 10s and ive never played thane RA

so not really got a comparison

[summer quail]

i've played both RA and AM thane only 10s and 11s. AM more fun, RA more damage

[chrome plover]

i do way more than pugs in my 10s anyway so it doesnt really matter

[summer quail]

exactly, and like if i do 1.9m as AM or 2m as RA i time the key anyway

[chrome plover]

yep

anyway been playing colossus arms all week this week

and that also does way more than pugs in 10s

[thick fossil]

That's not a high bar.

[chrome plover]

exactly, which is why i cant tell you if it's good

1.9-2.2m in arakara/mists as any spec

[thick fossil]

Is it fun? Cause maybe I'll give it a whirl to change things up.

[chrome plover]

I've always found AM more fun in keys

[upper mica]

my 12 ara i only did 1.34m 😦

[thick fossil]

Sounds like the tank pulled extremely conservatively.

[upper mica]

SP was 1.63M

frost mage 1.34m

[thick fossil]

Yup. Tank pulled small.

[upper mica]

actualyl thats what details shows... log is lower

[summer quail]

tank pulling small as slayer is super rough

[chrome plover]

10s usually look smth like this

[upper mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/17WG4JK8aTrpVdzQ#fight=40&type=summary

[sudden tusk]

chawie STINKY

[summer quail]

mists is such a good colossus key

[thick fossil]

I mean, if the tank doesn't think they survive not much can be done.

[upper mica]

this is the 12 ara

[chrome plover]

arakara similar tbh (taking screenshots of breakdown for myself because im trying to learn arms)

[summer quail]

yeye i just feel like mists in particular fits colossus so well

[chrome plover]

if the tank pulls small it's pretty miserable but you timed the key so that's a W

[upper mica]

logs do make it hard to tell how much tank pulled - but hard to big pull in a 12 to be fair lol

[thick fossil]

Example, the 13 DB I timed. Our tank pulled very conservatively. Though it was a pretty clean run over all. 3 or 4 total deaths. FDK x2, lock, and healer.

DB should be much higher numbers. With only 2 double pulls, you do what you can.

[upper mica]

im looking at my DB and im pullin WAY lower numbers to be fair.... lol

[chrome plover]

I feel I have much lower overalls in db than other keys

[upper mica]

is that as slayer or MT?\

[thick fossil]

MT

[upper mica]

aaaa mine are ALL slayer atm

[summer quail]

definetely, been a while since i last did any other key than mists tho

[upper mica]

havent played MT at all

[brazen estuary]

is it possible to run two crafted weapons btw? i wonder

[thick fossil]

I think Ara Kara is usually 2m overall if the tank pulls big and no deaths.

[summer quail]

yeah but it's not worth it

[thick fossil]

Yes, but why? Pug first mythic boss.

[upper mica]

even as slayer?

[chrome plover]

i just have my pgf filter set to: db/arakara/mists, +10, with a tank and max 2 dps, minimum 2500 score

and i go spam weeklies

[thick fossil]

Yeah, at 626-636 2mil should be very doable.

[upper mica]

then i am playing EXTREMELY badly >.>

[eternal sundial]

Post logs or vods

[thick fossil]

Prolly missing something small.

[summer quail]

enrage uptime?

[upper mica]

let me find a 10 or something

[chrome plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/17WG4JK8aTrpVdzQ#fight=last&type=casts&source=4

log is here they already posted

[eternal sundial]

Im on phone

Aint lookin at that shit

[summer quail]

enrage 82% uptime. that is low @upper mica

[upper mica]

couple deaths in there (big gap on 2nd boss) and running between

[chrome plover]

yeah 80%~ seems pretty normal because log includes downtime

[summer quail]

oh does it? like running between packs? if so mb

[upper mica]

noxiv on a 16 has 83.67% enrage

on ara at least

[summer quail]

then yeah it has to include downtime. mbmb

[upper mica]

hahaha i thought surely im not that incredibly bad 😛

i might just have to try play with MT and see what that brings tbh

im struggling with slayer in higher keys and not feeling like im actively helping

[chrome plover]

i think your main problem is not maximising RA

your cb/bb casts should be much closer to rampage

[thick fossil]

Basically always hit each after rampage, and spam RB

[upper mica]

hmmm interesting... i can see nox 16 his BB did more then ramp and CB was a little further behind

[warm crag]

This man will under no circumstances reap the storm

[summer quail]

it's very nice

[chrome plover]

a few missed roar casts either late/early

blue bar is roar

other bar is ava/reck

they have the same cd so lining them up is not a problem

[upper mica]

i tend to use reck ava balde then roar - is that not right?

shoudl i use reck ava roar into BS

[chrome plover]

that is right but look at the image

where my red arrows are the roar wasy either late or early

and the one after the 2nd arrow

[upper mica]

ok so i definately need to watch my roar more closely

make sure im using it straight after a storm

[chrome plover]

this is from noxiv

[upper mica]

would u ever use roar after BS without reck/ava

[chrome plover]

you should be casting your bb and cb after every rampage

never rampaging again until youve used them both

[chrome plover]

roar, reck and avatar share a cooldown

you always want to use them together

BS is irrelevant to this because you should use it on cd as slayer (waiting maybe 10~ seconds if it is going to line up with cds)

[upper mica]

i think im using roar sometimes in a pull wihtout using reck and avatar thinking its too small for that- its forcing it off lining up though

thats the problem i think

i just have to hold roar to use those 3 together

and i definately need to stop spamming ramp as much lol

stuck in old tier 😛

[thick fossil]

When in doubt, send it.

Our cool downs are short enough not to worry about it too much.

[chrome plover]

if you want to hold reck/avatar you should hold troar too

but it's pretty rare that you do

[upper mica]

thats defaintely a mistake im making looking at that graph

[thick fossil]

If the pack is almost dead, than wait.

[upper mica]

its more when we have a pull of like 3 mobs and im holding thinking next pull will be alot more

[thick fossil]

Nah, even 3 mobs. Send it. 9 times out of 10 the people with 2-3 min cool downs are holding.

[upper mica]

fair - ok i need to get better at that

and definately using CB and BB after a ramp

[thick fossil]

Especially as Slayer, since BT/BB procs reap.

[chrome plover]

look at noxiv

there is no gap between roar and avatar

he is pressing reck+avatar then roar

every time, every 1.5 minutes (near enough)

this is how you should be using it

[thick fossil]

To be fair, you could prolly just macro em all together.

[chrome plover]

personally i dont like macroing spells that are on gcd together with those that arent

but you could

[upper mica]

so he uses roar even ebfore blade

before*

[chrome plover]

yes

[thick fossil]

I have a macro that has Reck/Ava/potion use, but still have reck and potion on my bars. For tracking purpose.

[chrome plover]

i track those with a weakaura but i have the same for if i wanna send reck without avatar (when AM)

and pot separate because i dont spam pots in 10s

(am cheap)

[thick fossil]

Yeah, with AM you wouldn't want that kind of macro. That would get very messy.

[chrome plover]

nah it lines up pretty well

and if avatar is on cd it will just send reck

but it's nice having a reck keybind for when you have avatar off cd but dont wanna send it

[upper mica]

is it the same for MT? with reck ava BS and roar?

[chrome plover]

yes

[thick fossil]

Roar's first hit isn't that big, so Reck/Ava isn't going to make a big diff. It's the bleed that does the damage.

[upper mica]

so can still go to MT lol

[summer quail]

thane doesn't use bs

[chrome plover]

oh yeah good point

forgor

[upper mica]

ooooo lol

as you can see - i have not done MT at all lol

you use ravagaer instead right?

[chrome plover]

we use ravager so you just blow everything together

[thick fossil]

Ravager, but you use it in the same way.

[chrome plover]

and it all shares a cooldown

so no bladestorming randomly

[upper mica]

so reck >ava>roar>ravager?

[upper mica]

never using 1 wihtout the other

[thick fossil]

They always line up with Thane

[eternal sundial]

There's some stuff where u can enter packs with reck charge stuff to enrage > ava if not playing OF as thane

So you want 2 keybinds

[smoky vale]

or if we go back to s3

[thick fossil]

My hot bars look a little messy, but here is what I have setup. You'll see I still have the ability to use reck seperately if need be.

[wraith wasp]

This looks like my bars

[eternal sundial]

Worth noting this is with mmo mouse

[thick fossil]

Yes

lol, 100% MMO mouse.

[upper mica]

ho 100% lol

oh*

[smoky vale]

no taunt reflect wtf

[upper mica]

is this right then?

[thick fossil]

Shift X, Shift R

[smoky vale]

my bars look like this without an mmo mouse

[smoky vale]

not a macro wtf

[thick fossil]

I have fast fingers

[eternal sundial]

Shift X is demon

[wraith wasp]

How you don't have carpal tunnel is beyond me

[thick fossil]

I have a steel plate in my wrist, it don't matter.

Well, actually I think it's Titanium... but whatever.

[upper mica]

or ravager first

[civic smelt]

is there an opener guide for MT ?

[thick fossil]

Let tank get agro, charge, get enraged, pop everything. This is the TL/DR version.

[sand crest]

theres a guide for everything on wowhead

general prio, mt opener, st opener, for both thane and slayer

[sand crest]

ew spear

[thick fossil]

You can swap that out with roar.

[civic smelt]

this is simply the prio list, i don't think wowhead has the proper opener list for MT

[queen linden]

having a panic attack looking at a stacked 3 row config.

[thick fossil]

Sorry?

[queen linden]

[covert void]

holy shit paladin

[naive isle]

I just hit what shines

And it works

[upper mica]

so run in thunderblast reck ava roar ravager thunderblast

[sick jungle]

guys what profs should I go for m+

what are the best buffs in these current dungeons

[thick fossil]

I mean... we've seen 4 paladin, 1 shaman/aug comps.

[wraith wasp]

I always get so surprised again how people keep their bars so compact and simple

[naive isle]

Charge, full burst and hit what shines

Win

[sick jungle]

how does yours look?

[queen linden]

idk what else you would want on your action bars. 2 rows is enough

[sick jungle]

I can't fill out 2 bars with fury

I'm running out of buttons on enh sham lol

[wraith wasp]

[thick fossil]

Your answer:

[sick jungle]

man I really don't like those mice

[wraith wasp]

Sham has so many buttons

[queen linden]

🐐

[sick jungle]

i dunno if I'm just dumb but like, is it not uncomfortable to lift that mouse?

would i not just fat finger one of those buttons

[thick fossil]

You get use to it.

[queen linden]

Been using one for almost 15 years, you get use to it within a couple weeks.

[teal pine]

Crazy to me there are people that dont use an mmo mouse. My default assumption is that everyone has one

[wraith wasp]

I don't use, personally

[queen linden]

I have guildies that raid strictly off their keyboard and 3 button mouse.

[smoky vale]

nope

[wraith wasp]

Growing up is realizing you don't really need one

[sick jungle]

i have a fps mouse

lmao

[oblique trail]

I can't use MMO mice

Just feels too uncomfortable and I have a heavy thumb

[sick jungle]

me

[thick fossil]

You don't need one, but they are nice to have once you get use to em.

[oblique trail]

Constantly found myself accidentally pressing a side button

[wraith wasp]

Keybinds for life baby

[queen linden]

IMO, if you're not using a DDR 4 dance pad to play wow, you're just trolling.

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-drink-laugh-funny-thats-gif-11859512

[undone flower]

I don’t, I just have 3 stacks of bar as fury

[summer quail]

do you do that thing where you squeeze the mouse whilst holding it? coz i do the same and cannot have sidebutton on the lower side of the mouse

[oblique trail]

Something like that

[naive isle]

Why so many bars if we uses 5 buttons?

[sick jungle]

this is enough confirmation for me to stick to fps mice

[oblique trail]

I also need to have switches that have a high actuation force on my keyboard

[queen linden]

I claw grip my mouse

[oblique trail]

Since otherwise if they're too light, I just press the keys when I didn't mean to

[sick jungle]

so you're a blue switch kinda guy

[queen linden]

The scimitar has some heavy side buttons

[teal pine]

I tried a naga for a bit recently and i also couldnt stop hitting buttons on it.
But i wouldnt recommend razer anyway so just another reason not to

[queen linden]

The naga feels like it's made out of paper.

[oblique trail]

I tried a Scimitar like 6 years ago

[teal pine]

The G600s buttons are much sturdier but they dont make it anymore unfortunately

[sick jungle]

nah fuck razer

[oblique trail]

And it broke within a month and a half

[sick jungle]

razer shit sucks now

and fuck synapse

[oblique trail]

Then I didn't buy another

[covert blaze]

me

[queen linden]

Still accurate

[thick fossil]

The newer ones are kinda cheap feeling.

[sick jungle]

i say this as i'm using a razer vuper ultimate though

[queen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[oblique trail]

2 side buttons is plenty for me 👍

[thick fossil]

I have a Razer Naga, and I wish I still had my old one. They don't make em like they use to.

[smoky vale]

^^^^^

[modest hollow]

So Ravager is better than bladestorm as MT?

[sand crest]

same I run two side button mouse but I use mouse wheel click for rampage : )

[summer quail]

i have 2 side buttons, more than enough. one for raging blow, other for interrupts

[queen linden]

Nagas are too small

[oblique trail]

And I use Gateron switches which are like Red switches

[undone flower]

I didn’t say I filled the 3 bars, it’s just to have same keybinds if you play other spec/classes

[smoky vale]

just bind shift ctrl in addition to your binds then its enough

[thick fossil]

That's a benefit of being a woman than, smaller hands. lol

[sick jungle]

i gotta say, i've been around the block with all these class discords now and out of the ones i've been in so far

warrior is the best disc

[smoky vale]

[sand crest]

it's no secret skyhold is the best class disc

[queen linden]

Cus we're all 3 brain cell zug zug basement dwellers.