was hoping it would drop in raid but it didnt
#fury
unreal onyx
this week?
unreal onyx
ahh I thought so
but maybe they got something goofy going on with 20th annivisary
at least you can earn 2k tender this month instead of 1
quartz hare
n
clever belfry
coral jewel
unreal onyx
anda flexing on us 
restive peak
Anda is a cheater
clever belfry
L
clever belfry
Anda is a cheater
i have 75 crests i cant spend
cause im hero track trinkets
technically i could upgrade my bracers to 639
however im using crafted so uh no
restive peak
See? Cheating
restive peak
I just haven’t seen a single shoulder drop from vault or our initial raid clears, and I’m still rockin a 619 cloak LMAO
Yeah I’ve gone up one over both weeks. I need a nice 639 sac
oblique trail
Sitting at 635.5 with 75 crests and reclear waiting
Bing chilling
Surely Ansurek ring if we somehow reclear 8/8 in first reclear night (or vault)
warm crag
dog im hard stuck 633
im killing ansurek with this!
oblique trail
I've held your hand through all of Ansurek prog and taught you how to go from 1 dps to 2 dps
warm crag
i was told i shouldve dstance + sr + er when i go through portal in p2 (instead of healers instadispelling on portals so i dont take 1/3 of my hp in damage before even going thru)
unreal onyx
no main hand you mean
chrome plover
true
unreal onyx
imagine not killing ulgrax
chrome plover
imagine not killing ulgrax 8 times
no crests this week yet though
can maybe do achievement next week for my alts 
unreal onyx
naur
humble shadow
myth trasmitter or myth khardros bis for m+?
brittle snow
Would be nice if they could find a way to make SMF viable
young swan
no it wouldnt
young swan
myth trasmitter or myth khardros bis for m+?
transmitter
eager thorn
no off hand <:deadge:900279927138578432>
i finally got mine tonight + avoidance
i believe in ur vault chawie 🙏
young swan
if ur lazy and dont want to deal with the tasks then u can play khardros
dealers choice
humble shadow
oki ty
chrome plover
i believe in ur vault chawie 🙏
i kill ulgrax tomorrow and win
brittle snow
no it wouldnt
To each their own lol
sage karma
why does WCL just cut off 10% of my damage on my profile
clever belfry
go play frost dk if u want smf
brittle snow
go play frost dk if u want smf
I was not arguing just thinking out loud
personally i think it would be cool
clever belfry
im also not arguing
brittle snow
Ok? lol
clever belfry
just takes away options from SMF
nimble ermine
nothing
keen kindle
Like nothing replaced anni
nimble ermine
just put nothing
keen kindle
Just put it as a passive as it was before
nimble ermine
make it a passive that lets you transmog onehanders
nothing else
so people can stop asking about smf
oblique granite
Hey fellow warriors, can anyone explain why when i sim my char with slayer spec it says that edna neck and transmitter is best. But when i sim with Thane spec it says trailspinner and skarmorak is the best ?
keen kindle
Link the sim?
near wing
What settings are you running? Standard 5 min patchwork?
sullen dove
yea I mean hectic add cleave 4min is a sim setting of all time for sure
near wing
I’m not even sure what that sim setting is lol
sullen dove
But idk it’s not impossible slayer benefits from haste more for random reasons or another
it’s barely a difference regardless
oblique granite
yeah im simming hectic add cleave 4 min
near wing
Can someone tell me what hectic add cleave is? I’ve only ever run 5 min patchwork- any benefit to running other sims?
oblique granite
Im really not sure, but it sims you doing damage to multiple targets so its better for M+ and bosses with adds from what ive heard
analog rivet
For AoE sims 5 target patchwork works better than hectic add cleave
sudden tusk
@young swan
sullen dove
or dungeon slice also exists kinda for that reason
sudden tusk
now we are a real warrior
sullen dove
to "simulate a dungeon" sort of but not really
analog rivet
Consists of a single boss target, waves of 5 adds for 15 seconds every 22 seconds, and constant moderate movement
sullen dove
you also put 0 sockets on the trailspinner neck
analog rivet
That HAC
sullen dove
on both sims
oblique granite
yeah i saw that but it still won on thane spec
sullen dove
yea i mean the crit is just better i guess
doesnt seem all that significant like .6% better
oblique granite
mistake by me, i was just thinking if i need to have multiple upgraded necks and stuff depending on what spec im running
sullen dove
doubt it reaches close to 1% with sockets
oblique granite
then ill just go with trailspinner cause that one is hero track and disgard the EMK neck
sullen dove
slayer is also using frenzied enrage while thane using powerful
oblique granite
yeah that might be it now that you say it
sullen dove
yea i mean theres next to no actual aoe on ansurek that isnt handled within 5 seconds
95% singletarget/slight cleave boss
oblique granite
yeah, my goal is to just do weekly raid and start to push some M+ its more fun i think
But Thanks alot for the help ❤️
now im going to sleep without nightmares XD
dull compass
Okay don’t jump down my throat on this without asking for nuance if you need it. But it’s my typical understanding of MMO balancing across a variety of games that if you make a damage class that doesn’t bring a lot of party wide utility (yes I know there is some but it’s far from being outstanding on that front), usually you try to maintain that class in the top 3-5 of raw damage output. Why does blizzard not apply that to warriors currently?
young swan
cause they arent smart
dull compass
cause they arent smart
That’s it?
young swan
yeah
dull compass
It’s really actually that simple?
thin cliff
pretty much yeah
young swan
im sure they ahve some reasons for it
but we wouldnt know
cause they enver say shit!
dull compass
To be honest
Most of the community doesn’t want to hear this
But I really wish wow had FFXIV’s balancing team
They make mistakes, but they always clear them up with communication and when they make changes they always try to substantiate them
And as a player I grew to appreciate that
thin cliff
But I really wish wow had FFXIV’s balancing team
lol FFXIV's class balance is definitely good enough to be considered the exception. You don't really see balance like that anywhere else
and yeah Square Enix's communication is stellar - in large part because Yoshi P. legitimately gives a shit
(and also because the majority of their devs actually play their game)
none of the above can be said of Blizz. Not anymore at least
oblique trail
Until you play Machinist and realise that you are simply always going to be a bottom feeder due to how they balance jobs 👍
(not that it's necessarily bad, but it does feel bad at times)
thin cliff
(not that it's necessarily bad, but it does feel bad at times)
mobility tax 😂 yeah feels shit on fights where you can't utilize that
dull compass
Until you play Machinist and realise that you are simply always going to be a bo...
This guy plays FFXIV
This guy has suffered
frail trout
I don't really keep up with mdi, was Aug played a lot or nah?
modest condor
like once or twice
frail trout
Some classes aren't being brought for their utility though right, isn't frost dk mostly damage and nigh impossible to die?
As their main benefits
dull compass
I used to pink parse GNB when I used to care haha
oblique trail
I have accepted that parsing in FF is just not worth caring about
It's worse than it is in wow
frail trout
But all the other picks definitely bring more utility from the top 4 choices
oblique trail
Some classes aren't being brought for their utility though right, isn't frost dk...
Welcome to what makes a spec meta basically all the time (apart from Aug)
sinful spoke
Anyone here wanna buy a motorcycle mount for gold 
keen kindle
I have accepted that parsing in FF is just not worth caring about
Parsing in 14 is just
no
heavy flax
hitboxes so big in ff now idk why ranged tax is still a thing lmao
sullen dove
how much gold
keen kindle
hitboxes so big in ff now idk why ranged tax is still a thing lmao
I mean Dawntrail KINDA fixed that
But not really
heavy flax
true i think they did say they were trying to get away from that with dawntrail
but i mean
all the strats were uptime anyways LOL
keen kindle
And also pugging is somehow worse in 14 in my experience
heavy flax
only time i dropped gcds was m2s or m4s for like 1-2 seconds
dull compass
I have accepted that parsing in FF is just not worth caring about
I think it depends actually. I parsed at the beginning of EW. And it was actually refreshing to just get items in a predictable manner and then finally get my parses by being perfect at the game and not because I have good rng with loot (although crit rng goes crazy too).
keen kindle
I genuinely don't know how
oblique trail
I think it depends actually. I parsed at the beginning of EW. And it was actuall...
My gripe is that I could play technically perfect, but get absolutely shafted by crit RNG during my burst, so I just didn't do damage
And then a bunch of other people played the same but their crit RNG was infinitely better
dull compass
My gripe is that I could play technically perfect, but get absolutely shafted by...
Yeah that’s absolutely the complaint
heavy flax
more personal responsibility imo is probably the biggest thing, mechs in ff are pretty wacky compared to wow
keen kindle
My gripe is that I could play technically perfect, but get absolutely shafted by...
even classes like tanks, paladin, is....stupid
dull compass
Completely valid if that’s your issue with it
oblique trail
It's my biggest issue with it
Though I'm not really a great FF player to begin with
keen kindle
I mean 14's class design is just infintely worse then wow's imo
dull compass
I do like the feeling of it being a dance you perfect over time tough
oblique trail
I just looked at the rotation quickly, then progged as it
steel shard
I mean 14's class design is just infintely worse then wow's imo
yes
heavy flax
yeah crit being the difference between a 97 or an 100 feels kinda bad
keen kindle
Wow at least has ideas of what specs want to do and should be doing
keen kindle
There's a dude soloing the entirity of ffxiv
frail trout
M+is always going to be a divisive form of content as long as it scales infinitely, you'll always choose the classes that have the best combination of DPS and survivability while bringing the minimum utility needed to get by
dull compass
I mean 14's class design is just infintely worse then wow's imo
I think class design fulfills much more of what their audience want
dull compass
So it’s subjective to say it’s worse
keen kindle
And crit RNG is CONSTANTLY an obstacle
heavy flax
i like wow more cuz the combat is miles better than ff imo, but ff has sick ass fights
and music
keen kindle
I think class design fulfills much more of what their audience want
Even hardcore raiders highly dislike the state of class design
dull compass
i like wow more cuz the combat is miles better than ff imo, but ff has sick ass ...
But what level did you do
heavy flax
wdym? like what raids?
dull compass
Because some people like combat for the challenge
keen kindle
Literally most 14 players I've talked to post EW aren't particularly happy with design
frail trout
I get instantly turned off by infinite scaling content
dull compass
wdym? like what raids?
Yeah
oblique trail
I prefer FFs fight design more than WoW, but WoWs gameplay a lot more than FFs
heavy flax
i've cleared tea, cleared multiple savage tiers, progging p5 in top right now
oblique trail
And if I did the ultimates as well I'd probably enjoy that as well a lot
dull compass
I prefer FFs fight design more than WoW, but WoWs gameplay a lot more than FFs
Yeah this is my point entirely
keen kindle
I prefer FFs fight design more than WoW, but WoWs gameplay a lot more than FFs
14's fight design is also just....very anti pug
because of how much of a puzzle they are
oblique trail
Some people like that
keen kindle
Sure have fun
oblique trail
2 of my friends pugged all of the current tier, and they finished it before I did with my static
keen kindle
not savage atleast
In my experience it is
dull compass
i've cleared tea, cleared multiple savage tiers, progging p5 in top right now
As long as you have tried ultimates then it’s a good position to make generalizations from so I was just checking
keen kindle
because people don't learn
oblique trail
Right, but they also don't learn in wow either
keen kindle
you go into a million groups who are supposively at the same prog point as you and wipe to the hard mech that evreyone is suppose to be pased
heavy flax
yeah i had to pug to clear m4s week 2 cuz my static had a healer and phys ranged kinda trolling intermission everytime
oblique trail
That's just an issue with any progress oriented game
frail trout
Wows fight design needs Jesus sometimes, it's bad when it becomes a trend on a particular boss to use something like the inky black potion because the mechanics have such shit visual definition
Tindral specifically
keen kindle
That's just an issue with any progress oriented game
I mean yeah, but it feels worse, idk I've never...actually pugged raids seriously
dull compass
I think spec and itemization is there double edged sword that both makes wow come alive
keen kindle
and it's not like anyone pugs mythic]
dull compass
And kills it every once in a while
heavy flax
can't imaging puggin top, i'm sure it's just looper and panto memes
oblique trail
People do pug mythic
steel shard
and it's not like anyone pugs mythic]
i do
oblique trail
At least a portion of it
keen kindle
I mean the full thing
frail trout
Swirlies are never exactly defined either, needs a circle on the edge
oblique trail
Wow raids aren't really designed for full raid pugs on Mythic
steel shard
so that hurts the pug scene alot
keen kindle
It'd be incrediably rare to find a group of 20 people who can bring down mythic queen
heavy flax
Swirlies are never exactly defined either, needs a circle on the edge
this dude
heavy flax
they made the change for ara kara last boss and then decided to call it a day
keen kindle
if you don't want to raid then 14 isn't for you
steel shard
oh i loved ff14 for that
i just hate the gameplay
i still love shiva savage to this day
prob best fight ive done
dull compass
not 8
But also because it’s only 8 the quality of those 8s have to be higher then the average in a mythic 20 I would argue
steel shard
but holy moly the gameplay is terrible
steel shard
But also because it’s only 8 the quality of those 8s have to be higher then the ...
Thats false
oblique trail
But also because it’s only 8 the quality of those 8s have to be higher then the ...
Depends a lot on the context
steel shard
also ff14 mechanic are not rng
heavy flax
fru out soon 
steel shard
its a set pattern
keen kindle
I dislike it because it's like "oh do you not have time to raid and not want to pug? You're probally only hitting extreme and then calling it day
keen kindle
its a set pattern
Several actually
dull compass
I think the context once it gets to dsr is pretty clear
oblique trail
I haven't progged ultimates, but in wow you need all 20 people to be actually good at the game to clear a raid (mostly)
heavy flax
ff has been shifting towards more randomness in mechs tho
dull compass
I haven't progged ultimates, but in wow you need all 20 people to be actually go...
But there’s the difference
heavy flax
but yeah when a mech comes up, everyone in the raid has to execute
heavy flax
a3s when it was current
steel shard
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
heavy flax
steel shard
ff14 does have
a browser thing now
to practive ultimate mechs
like wormhole
which makes it easier
heavy flax
getting to perfect alexander and wiping cuz someone couldn't respect stillness 
faint oriole
FF14 has like, palace of the head and heaven on high.
Basically Torghast but dumber.
oblique trail
I think if I could be fucked to prep and grind them both out, I'd have infinite more fun in them than Torghast
dull compass
ff14 does have
When I played it didn’t exist yet
faint oriole
I got Lone Hero but gave up on Necromancer.
steel shard
When I played it didn’t exist yet
yea but now it does
heavy flax
it is kinda nuts how much the game has evolved
steel shard
and makes wormhole not a cancer mech anymore
dull compass
But also most FFXIV players don’t use cactbot which is their weak auras
heavy flax
did you guys play when accuracy was athing
heavy flax
and when tanks wore full strength accessories and you could almost tell how good a tank was going to be by how little health they had LOL
near geode
Hey everybody, question. I just started lvling up my fury warrior and noticed my whirlwind buff tracker in WA wasn't working. After messing around a bit it looks like there IS no whirlwind or meat cleaver buff anymore on my character after I cast whirlwind. Is this a known issue, or am I just cracked in the head and missing something obvious?
dull compass
If you played mythic without any auras it would be very very difficult on the scale of all things difficult in MMOs
oblique trail
Hey everybody, question. I just started lvling up my fury warrior and noticed my...
Do you have improved whirlwind talented at all
near geode
Yes I have both imp whirlwind and meat cleaver and I tried disabling all addons
oblique trail
Are you hitting anything
steel shard
If you played mythic without any auras it would be very very difficult on the sc...
some mechs
dont work
without a WA
oblique trail
You have to hit a target to get the buff
steel shard
like they are designed around it
near geode
You do? Since when? Was not the cast in DF. OK will try that
dull compass
some mechs
Yeah exactly. But I don’t think that’s exactly a point of pride
oblique trail
Since forever
near geode
Nope. My WA definitely worked in 10.x
oblique trail
Well
dull compass
More of how the fuck did it get here
near geode
Nope, it worked just casting it in the middle of an empty field I'm pretty sure
heavy flax
i started progging top a couple weeks ago and ngl i think the very first mechanic of the fight is harder than anything you have to do in the current raid tier
oblique trail
The only other way you could get WW stacks without hitting something, was through Titanic Rage
steel shard
i started progging top a couple weeks ago and ngl i think the very first mechani...
yea welcome to ultimates
heavy flax
which honestly feels kinda bad, you gotta lock in from the very start, whereas other ultimates, the first few minutes are usually kinda chill
steel shard
they are made for sweatlords
i wish wow did the same
let the mythic raid be puggable
heavy flax
nah dude LL is a snoozefest imo
near geode
Whelp you're 1000% correct and I was wrong. Thank you Banezi!
dull compass
i started progging top a couple weeks ago and ngl i think the very first mechani...
I think people like to fight about which game is harder and I think it’s completely subjective. That’s why top WoW players end up being top FFXIV players and vice versa.
heavy flax
yeah i'm not a CE raider so i can't really join in on that convo about which is harder
steel shard
ill ask tomorrow
heavy flax
different types of difficulty imo
dull compass
Yeah exactly
steel shard
ff14 prog is puzzle solving
dull compass
Different skill sets get honed
steel shard
ultimates atleast
because those players are usualy good enough to not fuck up the mechs
heavy flax
playing ff has definitely helped me with dps especially when mechs are happening
since everyone is playing the exact same build, on pure single target 99% of the time. If you're trying to parse you really gotta optimize stuff and try to get as much uptime as you can
and pray for crits of course
heavy flax
the last boss of the tier is always cursed for me
dull compass
https://www.fflogs.com/character/eu/omega/frelya%20xd?zone=54#zone=44
Hippo was such a fantastically designed fight
heavy flax
heavy flax
neo exdeath was such a cool fight
steel shard
Hippo was such a fantastically designed fight
was good ye
dull compass
And then you got to phoinix and realize who was really good at the game
oblique trail
Also playing healer did not mean well for my mental
dull compass
Also playing healer did not mean well for my mental
I feel (not based on experience here) that healing in FFXIV is more rewarding than in wow
oblique trail
Perhaps, I just really hate healing
dull compass
Because it’s more rounded in what you are required to do at a high level
heavy flax
i could never heal in ff, that shit seems stressful
dull compass
Like healer damage is so important
steel shard
really?
oblique trail
Because I am not good at accepting when other people stand in absolute stupid shit and take a billion damage, making me have to heal them when I shouldn't have to
heavy flax
i got most classes at least 80-90ish and i don't even have whm unlocked, i have conjurer at like level 18 lmaoo
steel shard
Because I am not good at accepting when other people stand in absolute stupid sh...
there is no such thing in ff14
oblique trail
Should caveat I did actually really like healing back in BFA M+
steel shard
if you stand in bad
you either die
or do 50% less damage for 30seconds
like you get severly punished for it
oblique trail
Yeah that doesn't mean I don't have to heal and/or ress them
I'm not perfect either and dodge all mechanics, I just don't like being the one to fix it for others when they do
steel shard
idk still healing in ff14 is way more laidback than wow
dry ruin
Guys, is Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife a simbait or smth ? It's simming higher for me than all other trinkets somehow
steel shard
by far
oblique trail
Guys, is Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife a simbait or smth ? It's simming higher for...
It's a really good trinket for its ilvl
steel shard
alright sure
oblique trail
But you can at most get it on hero track
dull compass
or do 50% less damage for 30seconds
Yeah this is wild
heavy flax
yeah lol
dull compass
Like the damage downs in FFXIV is what I think makes getting a pink in an ultimate just insane
oblique trail
Any performance based MMO probably has a site for logs
dull compass
One mistake in a 12 minute long fight of non stop mechanics where you need exceptional damage to dps check is conceptually really painful
steel shard
One mistake in a 12 minute long fight of non stop mechanics where you need excep...
wellll
ultimates are not THAT tight
tight
dull compass
ultimates are not THAT tight
On launch they are
heavy flax
none are that tight anymore, but on launch they are pretty nuts
dull compass
But also I was referring to pink parsing specifically
oblique trail
Jan I think?
heavy flax
my friends group that progged top when it came out sometimes relied on just crit rng to get past phases lmao
comes out in like 2 weeks or something
dull compass
Which obviously is the tightest tight
oblique trail
It's the 26th of November
dull compass
my friends group that progged top when it came out sometimes relied on just crit...
lol it really was this way haha
heavy flax
gnb double down didn't crit = enrage LOL
heavy flax
the tightest dps checks will ever be is gordias savage when it came out
dull compass
Too many buttons to be a tank in EW
heavy flax
that shit almost ended the entire raiding scene
dull compass
Just enough buttons to feel like you were a god
heavy flax
yeah gnb is sick
dull compass
Figuring out optimal mitigation timings
steel shard
fel cleave goes brrrrrrrrrrr
dull compass
So that you don’t lose any double weaves
And get hit by the tank buster with like 1 or 2 seconds left on the mitigation CD?
heavy flax
stance dancing in heavensward 
steel shard
or yknow
dull compass
stance dancing in heavensward <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Kitty weaving
heavy flax
old ff was really on the wacky juice
dull compass
I once mentioned FFXIV in the pala discord and a guy did everything he could to not call me a slur it feels like
Come to the place stereotyped to be the quintessential wow incel class
Have a nice convo without any freakouts
heavy flax
yeah i love ff, been playing since 2014 ish. Kinda burning out and mainly just raid log nowadays tho
dull compass
yeah i love ff, been playing since 2014 ish. Kinda burning out and mainly just r...
I started DT
Was so slow I started playing wow
heavy flax
i think the only thing that will help with the burnout is a combat system overhaul which i think the devs were talking about for the next expac? but not sure, that's what one of my friends said
steel shard
i think the only thing that will help with the burnout is a combat system overha...
ill come back and play it when that happens
because currently
i get bored out of my mind
dull compass
Would either of you welcome wow flavored housing to the game
And by that I mean wow aesthetics through and through
dull compass
lol
steel shard
i made alot just
doing hunts
and selling materia
think i got like 10m in 2 days or some shit
in endwalker
dull compass
I just think wow guild castles, or taverns or mansions would be sick
heavy flax
i did a bunch of gathering when dawntrail came out and it was the first time in my almost 10 years of playing the game where i actually made a decent amount of gil lmao
steel shard
think gathering is trash no
dull compass
Maybe not personal housing but guild housing would be dope
steel shard
like legit
do hunts
join that hunt discord
where the call out hunt trains
boom
1mil
dull compass
True hunts are good
heavy flax
yeah i did a decent amount of hunts too
dull compass
I got crafters all the way up and then was fully set up to craft all armor the morning of savage release
Did that one single time
Took maybe 20-30 hours of work from 0
Set for life
oblique trail
It is also infinite money investment if you aren't gonna go out of your way to gather all of it (most people wont)
dull compass
It’s a master class in macros
heavy flax
i just give my crafter friends all the stuff i gather and they give me a cut of whatever they sell
dull compass
google.com
Except when they drop
See that’s what you aren’t thinking about
There are no macros to google in the first 3-4 hours
random bramble
not sure what to take here. hard to sim rings and w/e. wearing hero 626 haste vers bracers. hero tier 626 pants. and a 626 hero version of the ring that is listed. all upgrades technically. think catalysting the pants into myth tier is probably best choice. https://i.imgur.com/GuZyNfi.png
dull compass
And that’s when you make crazy money because no one learns how the system works
random bramble
looking for a 2nd opinion
oblique trail
not sure what to take here. hard to sim rings and w/e. wearing hero 626 haste ve...
Just pick the legs and catalyse them
dull compass
not sure what to take here. hard to sim rings and w/e. wearing hero 626 haste ve...
Was your first opinion raidbots?
oblique trail
Wrists you'd likely just craft, ring is ok but not amazing
random bramble
nah my first opinion was simming rings is hard in raidbots
oblique trail
Simming rings isn't hard however
dull compass
Haha
oblique trail
Unless you mean it can take a lot of iterations
random bramble
presumably mostly. ive had issues with rings simming gems incorrectly in the past
oblique trail
In which case you just gotta be sparing if you don't have premium, i.e just pick at most one or two different gems setups
oblique trail
Personally I just always sim the same 2-3 different gems
random bramble
where instead of simming the 2 gems i would be using. it would sim duplicates of the same gem instead
oblique trail
Not sure what would cause that issue, but I haven't had any issues from memory like this, in the past 5-6 years I've used Raidbots
dull compass
where instead of simming the 2 gems i would be using. it would sim duplicates o...
That’s strange
But if I have learned one thing in my time with wow
Is never doubt someone is experiencing a bug
random bramble
yeah i just didnt sim rings after that
oblique trail
Depending on how long ago it was, you've probably missed out on a lot of upgrades, potentially large ones as well
dull compass
Had multiple people tell me there are no bugs with key shards
Turns out World Souls have been bugged since day 1
random bramble
think it was week 2 or 3 of the season last time i simmed rings
oblique trail
Were you trying to sim different gem combinations for the unique gems
random bramble
IIRC i was just swapping rings out and testing the gem combination for 1 gem combo since i already had my gem layout figured out. but when I tried to sim the gem combo to compare the rings it would just sim duplicate combos of the same gem for both gems rather than the gem combo mixed as needed
I could also just be dumb and not do it properly
but who knows
lost gale
is there any difference which weapon u equip in main hand?
oblique trail
No, as long as it's the highest ilvl
random bramble
whichever has higher ilvl
well thank you banezi. catalyst the pants. just need to upgrade em now. was working yesterday didnt get home till now
cheers for that
oblique trail
IIRC i was just swapping rings out and testing the gem combination for 1 gem com...
Would probably have to see the sim to really tell, if I'm just not understanding it correct, but I've never had any such issues where it just straight up ignored gems I picked, unless the gems were just infinitely worse, or if I forgot to tick "always use" and "4+ colours" on the unique gem
random bramble
I probably coulda gotten around it by adding the ring itself with specific gems instead of RNGing it in the sim with the 2 gems selected
probably the work around
oblique trail
That shouldn't make a difference
If you make sure to tick "replace gems/enchants" it will always attempt to place gems into available slots
viscid grove
what are people enchanting there weapons with depths or radiant power?
past pivot
What sims best. Some even doing mastery/vers
covert blaze
still ibex
What would you do with that setup guys? Craft boots/ring/waist or just upgrade hero boots and ring (+potentially unsocketed hero waist)? This waist is champion and socketed.
11.0.7 patch and that new ring won't be released within next month, right?
past pivot
You sim potential upgrades with Droptimizer and Gear Compare in raidbots. And add sockets where you can
still ibex
Numbers are similar, I just want to hear your personal/subjective opinions
orchid iron
Pfft no socket in helm, trash gear
past pivot
only 1 socket in rings and neck?
still ibex
No, probably old visual addon
warm crag
What would you do with that setup guys? Craft boots/ring/waist or just upgrade h...
idk go prog ansurek or smth
you have better gear than me christ
polar roost
Id sim crafted ring with versa/mastery*
past pivot
I'd fix that gawdawful transmog set before anything. 😄
Could also farm for Shard/Mark for trinket options.
oblique trail
Why should they farm for those when they have a HC Transmitter
warm crag
Why should they farm for those when they have a HC Transmitter
indeed a curious question banezi!
past pivot
Is that transmitter? I thought it was mandate.
still ibex
I'd fix that gawdawful transmog set before anything. 😄
Wdym that tmog sims the highest, can't change 😄
Can we put embelishments on rings? That sounds best to craft mastery/versa ring and I could recraft to 2x vers emb later on
oblique trail
Are the only embellishments for ring
None of these are noteworthy for warrior, so it'd only be for stats
polar roost
you can only have two. Bc i see already 2 crafted
warm crag
You can have infinite crafted items on
unlikely
kindred snow
hey guys is there any SMF talent build? I know its a dps loss but Im curious to know if there is one around
warm crag
fucked up picture
still ibex
Ye, that's for future plans where I would try 2x vers emb instead of Ascendance, but sadly no option on ring I see
oblique trail
If you want to use 2x Vers, ideal slots would be wrists + cloak/belt/boots
Since you already have Rashanan cloak though, you can rule that out
I really would not personally prioritise a crafted/slightly better statted cloak above Rashanan cloak
weary sail
a random heroic pug i joined and 20 ppl out of 30 has the $90 mount LMAO
hidden sail
I simmed the 2H’s from the BRD raid and I was surprised to see the ones with on hit effect procs without secondary stats were significantly better than the traditional 2H with secondary stats.
warm crag
flame wrath is technically a bis offhand for pure st ye
i dont think anyone really cares since theres exactly one pure st fight thats actually somewhat hard and its not really a damage check anymore
hidden sail
Nice, that’s what I got after I simmed and said it was best. I had been hunting for a champ+ 2H for a couple weeks, got my champ keys and bought it and upgraded it 8/8.
warm crag
i mean its nice for st but it is garbage in aoe ye
you still want a regular hc track weapon for m+ and 6/8 bosses in the raid
hidden sail
Yes, had terrible luck with 2H drops.
summer quail
Yes, had terrible luck with 2H drops.
go spam siege of boralus. has 2 weapons
rancid zealot
what's our "soft cap" on mastery?
young swan
doesnt exist
smoky vale
🤖
lost saffron
Can anyone help a stupid brother out
and tell me how the ovinax trinket sims
as in
whats the stat distribution it sims at
sinful spoke
did i cook chat?
waxen vale
theres a channel for that 😄
waxen vale
just ment would probably get more/relevant replies
not my intention to be dick. the opposite
smoky vale
im not trying to be either
sinful spoke
theres a channel for that 😄
ty for the insight i cant read so i didnt know it existed
heavy dock
can someone tell me the difference between a snare and a slow
sinful spoke
spell reflect enraged regen dstance rally
smoky vale
which prob wont happen in pve
smoky vale
that too
neat gazelle
Whats bitter immunity
summer quail
very garbage talent
smoky vale
30% max hp heal that removes poisons diseases and something else
lime crag
Was good for last week affix
sinful spoke
its very situational
summer quail
Was good for last week affix
nahh 3m cd is a joke
smoky vale
its not good for last affix in comparison ot your healer healing or someone dispelling you
neat gazelle
Enraged, spell defensive, dstance, rally cry, impending
summer quail
tbf does impending victory really count as a defensive? it's a heal
lime crag
nahh 3m cd is a joke
True, but between IV, enraged regen, and bitter immunity. Use IV with ER or BI and it practically negated it and left you decently up for affix CD
odd star
True, but between IV, enraged regen, and bitter immunity. Use IV with ER or BI a...
but then you're spending your ER
sinful spoke
tbf does impending victory really count as a defensive? it's a heal
i mean heals are defensives
summer quail
True, but between IV, enraged regen, and bitter immunity. Use IV with ER or BI a...
idk man, just cannot convince myself that it's worth a talent point for such a long cd
neat gazelle
What have I started
sinful spoke
ignore mutou
violet condor
if its cd got reduced by like a minute or 1:30 thatd be a baller talent
cds WAY too long
summer quail
ignore mutou
quiet aug player
smoky vale
no mutou is my goat
sinful spoke
quiet aug player
?
velvet canopy
did i cook chat?
Looks good until you see it from the back, probably. That's always the problem with those shoulder capes
sinful spoke
aug?
pearl sequoia
excuse me u are missing an enchant on cloak
sinful spoke
Looks good until you see it from the back, probably. That's always the problem w...
i think i saved it
pearl sequoia
OUTRAGEOUS
odd star
enchant it.
pearl sequoia
RAAAAAAAA
odd star
now.
summer quail
there are some things you shouldn't joke about!!!
smoky vale
aug
pearl sequoia
my druid is called Aquabtch
summer quail
all i remember is one time randomizer gave me a name that sounded like a slur
ye be careful for names, will get forced name changed real quick. rest in piece my monk called Drugaddict
sinful spoke
wtf my message got blocked 😭
i see
penis sucker is banned here
but like the other way of saying it
velvet canopy
Snake slurper
sinful spoke
woke warrior
young swan
magus
sage anvil
so we have two warriors in our raid team, when I bladestorm I get maybe 60 hits even if I am standing right on top of him, he gets like 200 hits what am I doing wrong
sudden tusk
show log
sudden tusk
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MVkAHyDNvdpB16Gb#fight=30
hes running frenzied enrage giving him 15% mroe flat haste on top of his gear just has way more haste then yours id reccomend recrafting your rings/boots/bracers to haste mas, as well as swapping to frenzied enrage for broodtwister
vers is an okay stat, but haste/mast is our bread and butter id try resimming with haste mas on your crafts to see the differance
queen linden
Freedom!
modest condor
grats
sudden tusk
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MVkAHyDNvdpB16Gb#fight=30
you are also running Reckless abandon instead of AM on broodtwister
with AM you will have bladestorm for every set with RA you will not
sage anvil
thank you I just swapped that
summer quail
thank you I just swapped that
if you're unsure what talents to take on a boss go to rankings and click on fury, you will see what people are running and just copy that
lean heart
unsure what to play for mythic court
i see a lot of people playing slayer but i also see thane spear and thane roar
sudden tusk
they all work, but slayer is by far more plug and play then thane on that fight
but with the arms buffs arms crushes that fight
lean heart
my fury gear is better i think im just gonna play slayer
sullen dove
arms like too good on kyveza to not have yeah now with buffs
#2 is fury which is cool and good ig its not impossible
bold plank
Do yall pop ovinax trinket or just let it sit at whatever stacks its at
sullen dove
but arms prolly just on average better
pallid tinsel
prog on mythic brood rn, anyone running radiant power over depths for this boss
sullen dove
its probably higher overall but youre still at the whims of when it procs but dont think it should be necessary
considering youre already not full focusing boss st the enchant helping a bit more on that front not too bad
did 4% of my boss dmg
pallid tinsel
ty brother
feral ivy
Freedom!
Grats we got ours yesterday .. so happy still. Also is that one punch man transmog in the background lol
queen linden
Grats we got ours yesterday .. so happy still. Also is that one punch man transm...
lol our monk
Anybody else lagging in NA raid? lol. Princess prog is getting griefed.
winter shoal
whole lotus
pearl sequoia
save urself playing arms id take a even greater dps gap
summer quail
arms sims 4k dps higher than fury...
gonna be less than fury then. get one charge and downtime will be way bigger than 4k
gleaming juniper
4k is a small enough diff to just play what ur more comfy on
sinful spoke
http://puu.sh/KiddY/f7e2a48578.png
Lol
chilly fractal
2% Princess wipe because we missed a mask womp womp
Next week it dies just from the biweekly buff
tidal kindle
maybe no reason to play arms on kyveza..
RAMP IN EXECUTE
📈
(Yes I know it's fake on kyveza)
pulsar prawn
wondering on kyvesa vicious contempt is the go to - but still fierce followthrough and opportunist seem equal.
eternal sundial
wondering on kyvesa vicious contempt is the go to - but still fierce followthro...
Depends on your sim ngl
For me on both that choice node sims weird
molten wing
maybe no reason to play arms on kyveza..
when we were progging her i just did one arms pull to get the itch out
and then swapped to the real spec
sullen dove
wondering on kyvesa vicious contempt is the go to - but still fierce followthro...
a lot of that is also people just not bothering to swap between them cuz its such a small diff
but i believe fierce followthru should be better in all situations and all content for fury
but you can sim yourself see the diff
pulsar prawn
a lot of that is also people just not bothering to swap between them cuz its suc...
on one side its nice when talents are "balanced" - on the other 2 sides its odd investing in talents to make something better wouldnt change the outcome. but i guess its influenced that the talent only shines in 1 /3 of fight length, while other technically perma.
sullen dove
quoi
pulsar prawn
maybe no reason to play arms on kyveza..
yeah its for most ppl very similar. esp when you have like all the high mastery items and little to no crit/haste items
molten wing
difference is not that huge so people either don't bother swapping yeah
or go with what is simming better for them
eternal sundial
If u normally play fury and never arms odds are youll grief
pulsar quest
Biggest thing is fury lives better on that fight too
molten wing
If u normally play fury and never arms odds are youll grief
i meant about the choice between fierce/opportunist
but yeah if you are ot familiar with arms and your gear is also fury specific you will grieve as arms
eternal sundial
i meant about the choice between fierce/opportunist
I mean sim those, for me opp sims better
molten wing
for me they are both at around 0,1-0,2 i believe so its whatever
summer quail
difference is not that huge so people either don't bother swapping yeah
idk, fierce is 11k more than opportunist for me
that's a pretty decent amount
neat gazelle
thoughts on if arms is better than fury at single target raiding?
sullen dove
it is but they're close enough and especially if you dont have like super perfected arms gear
gap is smaller
my arms is 4k higher st than fury rn in the realm of 1.5m so i just run it up on fury cuz y not lives better
summer quail
arms also gets giga fucked by downtime
viscid condor
simc
tardy lark
my arms is 4k higher st than fury rn in the realm of 1.5m so i just run it up on...
dont play arms on Kyveza until shes nerfed
Im somehow still dying as arms despite 5 healing that shit
radiant plank
dont play arms on Kyveza until shes nerfed
You cant stop me >:)
tardy lark
i mean im playing arms every time because fury ST can suck a fat one
but if people are more inclined to play fury, theres no point if arms doesnt sim a lot higher
radiant plank
chadding
cunning igloo
3 chested a 10 mist, felt good for me as AM thane
maybe my highest overall this season so far (i am not the best padder by any means lol)
queen tapir
gj!
cunning igloo
I have one question though, is slayer generally better for keys like mists with damage amps where you dump everything in one go? or is something like AM thane still good because you can use cds on opener and for dmg amp? something ive been thinking about
queen tapir
you are a warrior now
thane is still better in keys no matter what. If you like to dump and go just play thane RA
cunning igloo
thane is still better in keys no matter what. If you like to dump and go just pl...
thankyou ❤️
tardy lark
The more you overgear a key, the better the burst from slayer will be compared to Thane
but Thane is such a change of pace
eternal sundial
Am slayer is a vibe
sudden tusk
12 CoT
actually timed this shit somehow LMAO
slayer is def more comfy
thane does moer overall
queen tapir
slayer is unironically not fury..
opal sapphire
Am slayer is a vibe
i havent done this all that much except for on brood tbh
tardy lark
Am slayer is a vibe
i like the importance of TC/TB so you never have to think about Meat Cleaver stacks
queen tapir
it feels more like an arms spec..
opal sapphire
for me thunderclap is arms spec lol
queen tapir
dunno playing around blade storms and execute..
opal sapphire
so both flavors of fury is actually arms
nah slayer for me is fury
constant slashing
giga ragefilled roidboi
tardy lark
Idk if i'd call ignoring execute outside of 3x MfE stacks "playing around execute"
queen tapir
so playing around 3 mfe stacks and executing is not palying around execute ?
tardy lark
not when its ignored in favor of RB in literally every other situation
ok, Juggernaut conditionals, but who tf plays fury for ST
queen tapir
yeah I aint playing arms for ST
that shit is paper walls
props to whoever is able to live with that spec
but aint for me
opal sapphire
i understand where u are coming from
fury is more tanky
but its a getting used to it kind of thing
queen tapir
but its a getting used to it kind of thing
there really is no getting used to I swear no matter what I do I die to a spit
opal sapphire
more as, getting used to being less tanky and playing around it
arms is better and used for some bosses so its not like its impossible
queen tapir
- tbf my choice of classes probably bricked my way of playing
ele sham pre buff, dk's, and fury warriors
queen tapir
played mage in df
was playing mostly forst mage
found out that playing frost mage is actually more brain dead than fury
tardy lark
the solid -6.5% aura on a sort of struggling spec was peak
opal sapphire
currently yes xd
queen tapir
all roads lead back to fury
manic gulch
queen tapir
fire mages are low key slept on though
ther eis this 1 fire mage only player
who is doing some good stuff with it
forgot his name entirely
dunno but it looks pretty good
keep in mind mages are god tier sand baggers
sudden tusk
i like the importance of TC/TB so you never have to think about Meat Cleaver sta...
yeah having a filler spell that actually does something is awesome
whirlwind dogass
random raptor
All the current top logs for broodtwister are showing players send all cooldowns on pull, did something change or it doesnt really matter if you hold ava/trink/pot for first ads?
opal sapphire
heroic or mythic?
cuz for mythic u really dont send on pull
heroic it doesnt matter too much
sudden tusk
All the current top logs for broodtwister are showing players send all cooldowns...
you send Reck/OF/BS on pull only thing you hold is avatar
with AM on brood
so it might look like you send everything, but you just dont send avatar
oh you also send roar with 45 sec talent
everything should be back up in time for set 1
rose bay
45 second roar 😄 2 points into armed to the teath :c
sudden tusk
you just dont run uproar
random raptor
yeah mythic, thats what I've been doing for the last 60 pulls but I just had a look at logs and the top 5 are sending everything on pull
sudden tusk
you're just in it for the burst
random raptor
so I thought I'd ask the question haha
sudden tusk
well something i dont know yet as well is how that boss feels after the %buffs every week + boss nerfs
at some point it becomes a meme and everything explodes
random raptor
yeah very true, I guess if you send on pull you
would have everything up for 2nd ads again
opal sapphire
i changed it yesterday
there was so much input lag for some reason
that i couldnt 100% manage to reset properly for first set of adds
so I only sent OF and BS on pull
summer quail
you send Reck/OF/BS on pull only thing you hold is avatar
idk, there are people sending everything on pull and people not doing it on pull for top logs
lorggs
random raptor
Maybe it depends on which set your guild lusts? so you send cooldowns depending on when they'll line up again for the lust set?
tender seal
china likes brood lol
opal sapphire
keep in mind there is a lot of extra padding on this boss
summer quail
Maybe it depends on which set your guild lusts? so you send cooldowns depending ...
majority of them lust at 06:22-06:23
opal sapphire
people let themselves get infested and spawn extra mobs
random raptor
very true
tender seal
people let themselves get infested and spawn extra mobs
china parsing behaviour
sudden tusk
oh god every top log is chinese parsing lmao
summer quail
I mean whether you hold or not shouldn't have that big of an impact as long as it's the same amount of egg numbers. if you do not hold avatar you have every cd for second set anyway and everything except avatar for first
tender seal
blood parasites on #1 bossdam log vs parsites on #1 overall dam
sudden tusk
this is their parasite damage
they are activly not dpsing
to let people parse lmao
sudden tusk
so the moral of the story is never give a shit about parsing add fights
thanks for coming to my ted talk
random raptor
ok that makes me feel better, I thought I was doing something incredibly wrong having 3m overall by 2nd quadrant lol
opal sapphire
also very very different to progress and reclear
summer quail
ok that makes me feel better, I thought I was doing something incredibly wrong h...
nah and these people parsing do not have other people that aoe. you most likely do
tender seal
yeh
sudden tusk
i might even just go arms and turbo the boss instead
radiant plank
Damn my colossus arms parse from yesterday was more than these puny fury logs
How weak is this spec really?
tardy lark
yeah having a filler spell that actually does something is awesome
it just feels bad with the correct play technically being to press whirlslap at still 1 stack of meat cleave for example, whereas pressing TC feels ok cause it does big fuk dam
radiant plank
Nerf fury
tardy lark
bro someone fix my docker container reverse proxy i am actually too stupid for this shit
clever belfry
bro someone fix my docker container reverse proxy i am actually too stupid for t...
docker traffic rules nooo
tardy lark
i've spent embarrassingly long figuring out where the issue is fixed
wraith wasp
if we do, can we have arms rework pls?
Please
bitter palm
bro someone fix my docker container reverse proxy i am actually too stupid for t...
nginx...
tardy lark
i need to fix upstream ip config, but any .yml file i tinker with makes no difference
so im thinking it might be a psql issue if not
clever belfry
yeah ive got no clue about networking shit
glacial sonnet
can someone explain to me why in multitarget BS is used before odyns fury?
tardy lark
docker creates internal networks which you bridge out of the container, but as im connecting to this shit separately through a jumphost, i have to allow extra stuff which im not entirely sure what is
is my first guess
second is some database stuff
tardy lark
can someone explain to me why in multitarget BS is used before odyns fury?
in what context
proper vigil
when do i use whirwind in m+
tardy lark
when do i use whirwind in m+
every 4th global
tardy lark
or well, every 5th really
glacial sonnet
that usually bs is to be used before odyns
but seems counterintuitive if adds doesnt last that long
tardy lark
Some OF dot is wasted if you send Avatar->OF->BS
muted sequoia
To apply slayer debuff I would assume aswell
tardy lark
but the reality of it is that to get your damage out on the adds, you dont have the global to spare
and BS does a lot more, so its prioritized
proper vigil
shud i get a whirwind buff tracker weak aura?
tardy lark
yes
proper vigil
i main prot but farming some +4 as fury for crest
novel cosmos
what ilvl do i need to have to start doing +2 keys? Im 592 atm, started playing 3 days ago
smoky vale
you can do 5s at 560
pulsar prawn
what ilvl do i need to have to start doing +2 keys? Im 592 atm, started playing ...
í personally farmed delves at this ilvl .4 bountyful a day. and the gear is 603 mostly what you easy upgrade to 606
also go normal raid and both timewalk
technically then you can skip low m+ and go straight into +7s and farm heroic gear. ( if you get invites)
or even go around 606-610 easy go heroic raid
so yeah i would personally skip m+2 to 6. to much time waste for low amount of loot.
fading sky
No
opal sapphire
what ilvl do i need to have to start doing +2 keys? Im 592 atm, started playing ...
send it with ur ilvl tbh
opal sapphire
agree
lament otter
what ilvl do i need to have to start doing +2 keys? Im 592 atm, started playing ...
Do both time walking event quests, do queen on story mode to get free Enchanted Runed Crest and craft a 619 weapon
Easy way to boost your ilvl
fading sky
Do both time walking event quests, do queen on story mode to get free Enchanted ...
Thats a great tip 619 2h with ascension
Acendance
lament otter
^
fading sky
I think its 1 win
lament otter
I did it on my rogue and I was hitting 900k single target in raids before I hit 600ilvl
World quests
wraith wasp
Some of the anniversary quests give keys as well (I.e. World bosses, timewalking and codex)
twilit harbor
what should are finery threads buff be at this week?
i'm at 5% buff and have 16 to turn in
twilit harbor
hmmm
i don't know how i ended up getting more than i should
i'd been swapping with an alt while raiding the same lockout
oblique trail
You can get 2 per boss kill
unreal onyx
You didn’t get more, the quest is just not active
oblique trail
So if you were lucky, you could technically get more than you actually need on a biweekly basis
unreal onyx
Myth is always 2, no?
unreal onyx
Lfr
oblique trail
It's quick and means I can do it at any time without having to deal with lfg
twilit harbor
Lfr <:critcake:984549832511344640>
you can queue as a premade and blast it
oblique trail
I also don't care about any HC loot so that's not a factor either
Just want Finery before myth raid
tardy lark
Just want Finery before myth raid
just do stuff on alt to stockpile them
oblique trail
That requires logging onto an alt
oblique trail
Furor krieger
tardy lark
Banezimagus
unreal onyx
Yup
tardy lark
susge
oblique trail
Considered bringing out Banezimagus and become frost gamer on it
Think that's about as high as my skill level goes on a mage
unreal onyx
I have a main fury, a 70 alt fury, a 10 bank fury and a lvl 1 warror named roidstack
Lolxd, lolxdd, bankxdd and Roidstack 
chrome plover
I actively play 3 characters and I enjoy it
wraith wasp
Enh Sham is fun
last sparrow
ive got warrior hunter evo warlock and something else at max
only done anything on warrior
chrome plover
I have a bunch more at max but I dont play them
there was nothing to do before heroic week so I just levelled
chrome plover
