fury

[frozen mirage]

My guild says it can't be done without a DK, is that true

[smoky vale]

do you think i should use haste flask to make getting reck for each set more consistent?

or that exessive?

[wicked gazelle]

Yeah we just do like 2 and 1 off egg breaks for p3

as the close row is all that needs to be broke now

[oblique trail]

Go for it if you want to

I've used single stat flasks for most of prog

[compact siren]

Noob

[oblique trail]

Especially on Court and Broodtwister

[wicked gazelle]

ive used random on everything so far

colo arms on silken was hella fun

[oblique trail]

Chaos is also technically the best option because you get all stats from the pot

I just want the consistency of single stat flasks for prog

[wicked gazelle]

however have not touched colo since like week 1 of beta, had to make personal ert note shouting when to use all my cds

[oblique trail]

You are the noober

[oblique trail]

Hadn't touched it until we reached Silken Court where I tried it for 10 pulls then swapped off it 👍

Really do not like Colossus

Feels like absolute ass to play

[smoky vale]

i think the reason why i didnt have the problem of not having reck for every set was because we were doing lust on pull then changed it

[wicked gazelle]

at start it was super shit

just read a few logs and realised i was over thinking when to use certain stuff

[oblique trail]

At the time I killed it there were no public Colossus logs

At the very least not when I started prog

[smoky vale]

:BALLS:

[oblique trail]

The general CD timings though I had down

And even went and wrote down CD timings from different PoVs

(I ended up using none of it and killed as Thane)

[wicked gazelle]

you sorta hold at the start, yeet everything when the bosses pair and pretty much use on cd with sweep from there

and it all lines up

oh fury thane i heard is decent

[oblique trail]

It certainly has a lot of potential for sure

I fucked my kill quite badly because I didn't have a lot of practice

[wicked gazelle]

gonna be sticking fury after ce for a few reclears

[oblique trail]

And even missed 2 potential Mandate casts

[wicked gazelle]

as ive been arms since we got to princess like 3 weeks ago and all reclears since have been full arms so the change up is nice

ahhh i was using transmitter

[oblique trail]

I used both

[wicked gazelle]

did colo with like 25% crit and it worked out, should normally use like 40

[oblique trail]

Transmitter for Avatar windows, Mandate for non-Avatar amps

[wicked gazelle]

that seems wise

i will try that nexttime

6.77 mil dps for final 30 seconds of court is decent right?

felt like i got a bit stuck up with pressing buttons not sure if could have been higher

[oblique trail]

If it's not whatever Garms ended up cooking as Colossus Spear then it's not decent

(I honestly don't know)

We only got to the double stun moment once then we killed, and didn't even look at my own Execute damage nor others to compare

[radiant plank]

Court is so nice

you pick your favourite hero talents

[wicked gazelle]

twas last 30 seconds for me

[radiant plank]

and there is a kill with those

within top 20 of warriors

[clever belfry]

there is even some idiot playing thane am spear no of

[wicked gazelle]

tbf looking at ratio i didnt execute properly defo a lil troll

[oblique trail]

what an absolute noober that guy must be

[clever belfry]

fax

[bronze dirge]

I’ve seen and read different opinions on fury hero talents can anyone give me their opinion on which hero talent is better

[clever belfry]

depends on what youre doing

[smoky vale]

both

[bronze dirge]

I will be doing keys and raiding currently my guild is pushing into my thing and I normally do 8’s-10’s in keys

[oblique trail]

For general raid purposes, Slayer on all bosses except Court, where you can play both.
For M+ you can play both as well, they do sorta different things with Thane having better sustained damage, and Slayer more burst

[summer quail]

raid slayer(except silken court), m+ thane

[oblique trail]

Realistically for M+ you can flip a coin and play what you prefer the most

[wicked gazelle]

swear saw someone the other day saying that colo buffs with arms could make it mdi potential

[oblique trail]

I think they are coping

[wicked gazelle]

probably

[gilded pawn]

Not with that kind of st you won’t

[chrome plover]

you only need to full clear once

[wicked gazelle]

but lets cope together

also that polearm is a no go for aoe am i correct?

[bronze dirge]

Thank you guys for the response

[wicked gazelle]

like hero track stat weapon is better for queen for example

[oblique trail]

If you're talking about Flame Wreath yeah

[wicked gazelle]

good

[oblique trail]

It's just a pure ST wep

I don't personally care enough to go get it

[eternal sundial]

I mean it's also an st item in a pad world

Doesnt serve much purpose

[chrome plover]

[wicked gazelle]

we prage for silken weapon in next vault

[chrome plover]

I’m progging kyveza

[wicked gazelle]

we got 2 pure ST bosses

[oblique trail]

Go farm it

cage yourself

[eternal sundial]

[chrome plover]

I have it

[wicked gazelle]

but then its like do you play it for fury or play arms whic hsi ahead

[wicked gazelle]

exactly

[oblique trail]

ahead of the curve

[eternal sundial]

Oh ye it costs stamina

Prolly not worth xdd

[oblique trail]

I think they're close enough still to where you can just play the one you're most comfortable on

[wicked gazelle]

i mean its a bigger gap with buffs i think

[chrome plover]

defo worth wdym

I’m dying last with tanks every pull

[eternal sundial]

Stamina loss cuz ass offhand

Even on fury

[wicked gazelle]

not resetting smh

[chrome plover]

well on intermission wipes

[eternal sundial]

It's just chill to be even tankier for minimal dam loss

IMO

[chrome plover]

which is most of them rn

[chrome plover]

I don’t have a 639

it’s not that minimal

[eternal sundial]

Oh fr

[wicked gazelle]

we are just chill in that fight in general

[oblique trail]

Got my first 639 wep last week

[chrome plover]

Ulgrax has dropped 0

[eternal sundial]

I mean if you dont have 639 636

[wicked gazelle]

can reflect damage from orb expiry

[chrome plover]

So far

[wicked gazelle]

can reflect beams in intermission

[eternal sundial]

There's no point not to burn Stick

[chrome plover]

basically why I bothered going to brd

[oblique trail]

Wep luck been tragic this tier for me

[chrome plover]

because that won’t drop

[eternal sundial]

I saw 639 3rd week or so

But vault from keys

[wicked gazelle]

you run that talent for the 20% ontop of hs, hp and IV

[radiant plank]

Phil

[eternal sundial]

Only have had 1 ulgarax

[radiant plank]

Join 2x Versa lining 639 mace club on

[wicked gazelle]

ew

[eternal sundial]

That means crafting new things

[radiant plank]

1

[chrome plover]

my only cool vault was sikran neck

rest just hero to myth upgrades in boring slots

[wicked gazelle]

is that actually ahead

[chrome plover]

or holes

[eternal sundial]

I can sim it but frankly i dont have a good slot left beyond boots

[radiant plank]

for me at 70% ye

[eternal sundial]

Cuz 639 cata belt

639 rare cape

[oblique trail]

I think 70% is really generous

Like extremely generous

[radiant plank]

noob dont have 639 boe boots?

wym generous

[eternal sundial]

Poor not noob

[wicked gazelle]

i got the crit mast and hast mast cata belts at myth track

[oblique trail]

As in you can prob put it at 75-80%

[radiant plank]

ah yeah

[oblique trail]

And it still be very realistic

[radiant plank]

definetly

[eternal sundial]

Also i didnt get fuckin boots from 2nd

AGAIN

[chrome plover]

we had like 80% on bsl right and that was 90% hp

[eternal sundial]

Went to hpal im so doomed

[oblique trail]

BSL was 90%

And yeah

[radiant plank]

Could prolly roll fury with 2x 639

and land 90% uptime

on lining

[oblique trail]

Depending on the fight you could sit at 70%~ uptime

I think 80% though had to be very particular fights

[clever belfry]

go dragon

90% uptime hack

[radiant plank]

noo

I like my velf

getting buffed

[eternal sundial]

I tried dragon a bit

It's funny ngl

[clever belfry]

is it actually a buff on velf

[eternal sundial]

Double jump for adhd

[radiant plank]

it reads like a buff

[oblique trail]

I wonder though

[clever belfry]

but u lose the full passive

[oblique trail]

Does the racial work on items as well

xd

5% more mandatus damage

[clever belfry]

they probs forgot

and it works

ive not looked at the flags yet

[radiant plank]

just like overwhelmed

[smoky vale]

that would own no

[oblique trail]

5% more global damage is pretty good yes

[safe maple]

does dungeon slice work well for simming fury warrior or do you just do like 5x patchwerk 40s-1min sims for M+?

[oblique trail]

5 min 1 target patchwerk is what I use

You don't really need anything else imo

[safe maple]

aight, cause increased ST = increased cleave i guess anyway

[oblique trail]

Stats between ST and AoE is basically the same, and your gearing doesn't change going from ST to AoE, except your trinkets, which you'd use common sense/experience to pick

[safe maple]

true, cool, thanks

[eternal lance]

[radiant plank]

[smoky vale]

[fiery spindle]

did they change something about AK last boss singularity and heroic leap interaction? it was possible to avoid the 1shot by heroic leap in last second?

now it doesnt work anymore? 😄

[smoky vale]

works

zhai was doign it in my keys

[floral temple]

I did it as well yesterday. Think i jumped at .7 or something

[manic lantern]

hi new to fury, im reading the rotation and it seems like you only want to execute at 3 stacks for ST(?) but in actual practice, how long does it take to hit 3 stacks on a target? is it normally like 1 or 2 rampage cycles or more?

[short crypt]

You can also press it if your other abilities are in cooldown at less than 3 stacks

[rotund ginkgo]

It's ransim

Random

Can be in 4s and can take 30s

It's just a high chance

[manic lantern]

o jeez

[rotund ginkgo]

Based on slayers strikes

It's relatively consistent

[radiant plank]

oh jeez

[rotund ginkgo]

Oh jeez

[radiant plank]

Ragish when are you gonna stream

[rotund ginkgo]

Hi walhe

[radiant plank]

I miss your hand

[rotund ginkgo]

I've been so stream depressed lately ngl

[radiant plank]

damn

[rotund ginkgo]

What content am I supposed to show fucking dead m+

Or benched on court prog

[radiant plank]

[rotund ginkgo]

I did a 13 yday

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-funny-reaction-cats-gif-23324222

[radiant plank]

gear a 2nd warrior

[gaunt moat]

You got benched?

[rotund ginkgo]

Flawless run by urs truly

[radiant plank]

good content

[gaunt moat]

[rotund ginkgo]

I'm a trial

[gaunt moat]

Oh

[radiant plank]

we can do Ragish viewer raid, all plate + zenith reserved

[rotund ginkgo]

I got into the kyveza kill cuz I'm built diff

[rotund ginkgo]

Gear my ret pally and fdk

My fdk is 609

With not even 2p

[radiant plank]

Time to start streaming and gearing

[rotund ginkgo]

Maybe tonight I'll do some keys idk it's usually just despairge

Ask some guildie

Guildies

[radiant plank]

rat your way into a 10

[eternal sundial]

you could uh

play petbattles

[gaunt moat]

My sub expires in 3 weeks and i'm thinking of stopping for a bit personnally

[bleak oak]

Silken court mythic the logs are between thane and slayer which one is more viable for progress

[radiant plank]

As the logs say

both

[chrome plover]

silken court plug and play boss

just take whatever spec and hero talent you want

[wicked gazelle]

its very enjoyable once you confident with it and mechanics are second nature

[bleak oak]

I hope i don't need to play the dark side (arms) ,🤣

[eternal sundial]

[manic nest]

[river reef]

[south kayak]

[smoky vale]

[lost elbow]

ehm, is this normal?

[smoky vale]

[sullen rune]

this is the way

[eternal sundial]

coming up

[wicked gazelle]

criminal title

[eternal sundial]

wdym

[wicked gazelle]

bet you loved the maw dailys

[chrome plover]

yeah they nerfed slayer to do negative damage

[wicked gazelle]

least unfair warrior nerf

[manic ore]

Shadowlands gave is one thing due (Execute animation)

[thin mantle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3DmQCxDuY1Tt7SsLuDYTSk am i miss something

vs

[proud furnace]

2 weeks of fury war, first try on HC on my alt

[warm crag]

oly moly did you go parasite side first

[proud furnace]

with the normal 3-4-4 tact and with pugs

[alpine palm]

Damn nice

[proud furnace]

fury feels so good to play, after 10 years of shaman

[alpine palm]

Single target has felt weirdly good since the patch. Like, moreso than the % increase from the buffs would suggest

Oh and you ran Thane. Is that the new meta

[oblique trail]

@warm crag explode

[alpine palm]

I've been going Fury Slayer

[outer rover]

hey. can someone help me with opener for MT RA with VC?

in m+

[clever path]

Reck charge ramp ?

Or just reck/ava TC ramp

no OF so no titanic enrage but RA give you enough rage to ramp

[chrome plover]

are his sims also with no buffs? also he is probably simming with bis setup

so yes a lot of gear

[oblique trail]

They are with the bis setups

[outer rover]

when do i press ravanger?

[oblique trail]

And the 6 ilvl difference between your gear and the bis setup is a LOT of damage

Even if it might not seem like it

Raid buffs as well also add a lot to it

[warm crag]

exploded

what now?

[oblique trail]

nothing for you have exploded

void

[warm crag]

why would you want this for me?

[oblique trail]

because I am devilishly and cartoonishly evil

[proper fossil]

idk what you guys think but even with these warrior buff we still alot behind from dk, boomies, rogues Q.Q

[clever path]

While enrage

you have full rota in faq

[fresh cape]

Lol I was just about to start playing my fury warrior(was playing prot) and I main frost dk and it feels meh since the nerf.

[proper fossil]

bro i stay all afternoon queueing for groups

i get 0 invites

and when im doing 13's, every single dpser does more dmg than me

nowadays even survival does 2x more dmg than us

[fresh cape]

Gotta push your own key. I’ve timed everything on 11 on my dk but can’t get into a single 12 unless I push my own key. Then it’s hard finding people to even time a 12 lol

[chrome plover]

survival is slamming tbf

it's one of the highest dps specs in the game

[opal sapphire]

survival is crazy dam

[proper fossil]

this is just unplayable

[opal sapphire]

no matter what key it feels they do 2.5 overalls xd

[proper fossil]

basically except dh and monk every melee class

does more dmg than warrior

even with this little buff

didn't change shit

[fresh cape]

Shit ele is still broken too, rogues are nuts as well

[proper fossil]

look at Enhancement Shaman

unreal

[south kayak]

lmao

[pastel mauve]

Every day I pray for a 5 yard range buff to warriors

Going from my warrior to my ret makes me never want to play war again…

[south kayak]

you're not getting that

especially since they removed it from almost everyone

[thorny shoal]

fury should have it. long weapons = long reach

[pastel mauve]

I’m 10 ilvls lower, sim for higher then warrior, and do more overall damage in m+

[fresh cape]

Are you guys running slayer or MT in keys?

[haughty canyon]

MT AM

[ebon junco]

Some r

[chrome plover]

cinema

[sacred helm]

Am I the only one who preferred the old giga hard hitting execute?

[plucky ice]

no

[south kayak]

Who doesn't lol

[tidal kindle]

@ornate totem Real?

[plucky ice]

it's so bad it shouldn't even be called execute

[tidal kindle]

[south kayak]

It should be called Heal The Boss

[sacred helm]

It’s one of the reason I often don’t want to spec fury since I remember it being giga in MoP

[south kayak]

Ok Execute was definitely not giga in mop lol

[plucky ice]

legion execute

[cosmic jetty]

Thane rotation boyz?

[ornate totem]

non-real

[tidal kindle]

Frauds everywhere

[sacred helm]

Wouldn’t you call that really strong? Fury did jump in details A LOT as soon as execute phase happened

[south kayak]

Oh right

[radiant plank]

rotation of times right here

[south kayak]

I forgot abut that lol

[radiant plank]

cant wait for mop classic

[south kayak]

melee damage be like

top

[sacred helm]

Your whole damage was tied to colossus smash windows and using Hs off gcd.
If you did that right, with enrage and off gcd, execute would shoot you up sooo high

[next ruin]

Hi, anywhere I can find the updated top m+ builds pls? The faq seems out of date

[spare hull]

any valid slayer build with AM? for m+?

[smoky vale]

the faq is up to date

you just change ra to am if you wnat to play am

[compact siren]

@oblique trail @warm crag @gleaming siren @clever belfry Hosen Status?

[warm crag]

no hosen

[spare hull]

Great. Thanks

[warm crag]

@lost saffron

[smoky vale]

spongie

factorio status

did you rocket

[oblique trail]

kein hosen

[clever belfry]

none ofc

[warm crag]

uh yeah

rocket doesnt beat the game anymore

[solemn plover]

Banezi acting as if part of his evil plan is his consistent and CONSTANT refusal to be part of his friends group

[heavy dock]

Ah man the mop storm bolt

Can we have that back

[uneven plaza]

What the fuck do i press in ST as MT with AM?

like without cds

spam RB til 0 charges then BT or RB-BT-RB-BT (with eventual Thunderblasts in between)?

[granite trout]

What I've been doing is smashing my keyboard until I see rampage show up, then pressing that

[velvet canopy]

This is the way

[granite trout]

And thunderblast if I'm feeling some blue

[eager thorn]

Idk what the <100 line is but ye its spam rb and ramp then fill with execute or bt/clap

[uneven plaza]

Nice ty, but the questions still stands, do we just send RB til we can Rampage or alternate between BT / RB

[eager thorn]

Spam rb

[uneven plaza]

Will do sir

ty

[eager thorn]

Think you might wan to bt at a certain crit % but not 100% sure

[tardy lark]

technically yes, realistically doesnt matter

send cb bb ramp

[eager thorn]

On am^

[granite trout]

Oh based on that priority I should be like never pressing bt? What about when it's blue. I like that blue bt

[tardy lark]

ah, nah, doesnt matter

[cursive hound]

is slayer still the play?

[granite trout]

Also, we prefer wowhead generally? The layout sure is nicer lol

[hard widget]

For raid yes

[hard widget]

Wowhead is a good guideline for the prio

[covert void]

What you enjoying most for m+ atm buddy? tried VC yesterday was nice.

[hard widget]

Enjoying wise AM Slayer. Performance wise, RA Thane

[covert void]

RA OF? i.e. one we did initially weeks ago

[ornate night]

Someone has the AM Thane to share plz ?

[hard widget]

Yeah i'm using OF usually

[ornate night]

for RA thane, some guys says Crushing Blow>Bloodbath and some guys says Bloodbath >Crushing Blow on multi 5, what do you think ?

[gleaming siren]

Just getting out of bed, keeping hosen unequipped

[old dust]

Hi guys

Where can i finde the opener in Aoe with ravager? with the m+ build

[sonic shoal]

I mean, you want to use Bloodbath to get Thunder Blasts, but using Crushing Blow before boosts your Bloodbath. In the end you press both, so I guess the differences won’t be that huge, but you can refer to wowhead’s priority as it is the same that Sims do I guess

[prime tundra]

So guys, what are you playing the most in M+/Raid? I'm finding Slayer quite more fluid than Thane after last patch.

[frank rover]

thane in m+ ig

i dont think u ever play it in raid tho

[manic pelican]

So I’m trying out the VC x 2 build for thane and enjoying it, but not sure what the philosophy of intent was behind what it aims to target for dps.

[oblique trail]

What are you asking exactly

[frank rover]

wtf is VC

[oblique trail]

Vicious Contempt

[manic pelican]

Vicious Contempt

[frank rover]

oh

i like that talent with thane it does like 3m on crits

but on average its p bad i think

[oblique trail]

As Thane it's not bad

[manic pelican]

I am in thane for it yes

[frank rover]

but bloodthirst feels bad on thane cuz they dont have the spin thing

[oblique trail]

Right, but Burst of Power exists, and instead of proccing Reap the Storm, it procs Thunder Blasts

[frank rover]

ig

but i wish it casted it itself

[radiant plank]

It aims to target the enemies you are in combat with

[oblique trail]

It also has baseline 30% increase damage as Thane

[radiant plank]

with hot priority damage once mobs enter the 35% treshhold

[tender seal]

fuck me... socket this week i guess

[manic pelican]

Same

[frank rover]

wtf is ur gear

[tardy lark]

kek

[radiant plank]

You are trolling btw

if u dont take transmitter

[frank rover]

u have bis trinket cloak neck

[radiant plank]

i saw your gear

[radiant plank]

639 transmitter outsims 639 khadros

anyday of the week

[tender seal]

yeah not that much tbh

5k

..

[radiant plank]

5k is 5k

[tardy lark]

save that screenshot and post it every wednesday plz

[tender seal]

ASSUMING i NEVER fuck it up

[tender seal]

first time i fuck up the thing those 5k go byebye

[radiant plank]

also it bursts

alot higher

so its better on rash + ovi and such

[tender seal]

ok

[frank rover]

how the fuck did u get those trinkets

[tender seal]

Walhe god has spoken

[frank rover]

are u kidding me

[radiant plank]

he is

giga

[tender seal]

just loot them

[radiant plank]

raider

[covert void]

yeh but, socket week ffs guys

stacked af gear

[frank rover]

so am i i never got trinkets in vault

[oblique trail]

This line of thinking is not very healthy

[frank rover]

i dont think it is

[tender seal]

i have hero transmitter also

[frank rover]

if he doesnt like it

[tender seal]

:]

[frank rover]

its on him

i hate transmitter also

[oblique trail]

It's fairly unhealthy to just consider "what if I mess it up" ok then don't, it's really not that hard not to

[alpine palm]

Its reasonable to consider what is called the burden of gameplay. Transmitter increases this.

[radiant plank]

it always spawns

in the same place

[alpine palm]

I'm not saying that it necessarily matters all that much here, but it isn't an unhealthy consideration

[radiant plank]

forward right of your chara

[alpine palm]

Its worse to assume that one can play similarly to a bot

[oblique trail]

You don't have to be a robot to play Transmitter

[radiant plank]

You can even get a WA that points towards that direction

[tender seal]

I sorta agree, but also sorta don't agree. If you can make things more simple in order to reduce cognitive load (im old k) it might be worth

ye to the right infront of u

u can get one that points to the floaty thing?

[coarse nest]

Bing chillin with my shard/sac combo

[tender seal]

a weakaura i mean

[coarse nest]

[oblique trail]

The orb patrols around so you can't get a WA that always points to it

Only where the orb spawns

I do understand the "less thought behind it", it's a choice that's up to you ultimately

[tender seal]

always spawns to the front right but i guess

i need to go

transmitter

[oblique trail]

I also just don't think Transmitter is that difficult to use when you get used to it

[tender seal]

foir BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[oblique trail]

And if you're progging the raid, you have plenty of time on the fight to get used to using it

[tender seal]

council and queen left

[oblique trail]

Strap yourself in for 400 pulls

[frank rover]

tbh im having a hard time

[tender seal]

sure we can do it in 600

[frank rover]

banezi has the most ragebait takes of all time

i cant tell when hes 4real

[coarse nest]

The DKs on my team not getting the add pad on brood because they’re to busy doing transmitter while I nuke parasites

[radiant plank]

part of his job of being yellow

[radiant plank]

noobs not completing it before they spawn

[coarse nest]

Gottem XD

[oblique trail]

If ragebait is being straight to the point at times instead of affirming people to play with worse trinkets then I'll have as many ragebait takes as possible 👍

[chrome plover]

not using it before eggs break is a skill issue

oh someone already said that

ff

[radiant plank]

bwoah

[tardy lark]

only thing about transmitter is an extra thing you have to think about offsetting if the cooldown timings are tight

[frank rover]

[radiant plank]

Only works in Arms chat

[oblique trail]

The only time I've had Transmitter be a bit awkward is 2nd damage amp Court, and 1st adds in P3 on Ansurek so far

[tender seal]

ty for assist skyhold

[oblique trail]

The rest from memory has been very chill

[dire badge]

surely benzais smart enough to rage bait something cooler than transmitter

[radiant plank]

benzai would ragebait arms current design

[tardy lark]

ya benzai

[dire badge]

he should we all should

[tender seal]

i love yellowname beneziu

[oblique trail]

Arms' current design is impeccable and I wouldn't change a thing

[tender seal]

[dire badge]

ok u will be eliminated

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[dire badge]

im casting a spell on you that turns you into ur shrimp cat benzai

[oblique trail]

meow

[dire badge]

:3

[coarse nest]

Completely agree that it’s dog but wish it would change for the better

Take me back to DF

Or legion

[oblique trail]

I was a gray parser in Legion and I had no room in my brain for class design

[pulsar quest]

Transmitter isn’t that bed

[coarse nest]

Same same

[pulsar quest]

I’ve been using it for like 3 weeks now

You can even aim your character for where you want the platform to spawn

[coarse nest]

Normal raid hero in legion days

[pulsar quest]

It spawns on your right

The orb not so much but I always pre position for the platform as it’s the hardest of the 3

[clever belfry]

jump x3 is hardest as dragon, true, true

[coarse nest]

Oh glide! Never thought of that

Rip

[molten spire]

Me when the orb goes under queens acid and I question if leap into orb plus charge to get out is worth

[fading sky]

Parse or death easy choice

[grizzled spindle]

Is fury still outperforming arms in m+?

[cursive hound]

do you guys go prot for delves?

[keen hedge]

It’s just much easier.

[weary sail]

people still do delves?

[chrome plover]

yes im sure a lot of people do delves

[heavy dock]

What

If easier means u take twice the time ig

[knotty spade]

Fury or arms for hc raid? Stay fury or switch to arms st Bosses?

[heavy dock]

Just stay furt

[eternal sundial]

Doesnt matter for hc

[knotty spade]

Ty

[covert void]

haven't done NW in ages, whats the meta now with the 3 spears? you cant just stack them anymore right

[weary sail]

1 each boss

2nd 3rd 4th boss usually

1st boss pretty ez

[covert void]

oh makes sense ty

[errant frigate]

I'm probably not looking at the right place but I can't find it. What is the best configuration to sim for fury in m+?

[granite trout]

Hey guys, Pawn is obviously useless, right? I do like the neuron activation though of the green arrows and such. Is there some more useful alternative?

[unreal onyx]

correct, just sim

upgrades are also green numbers

[winter shoal]

I think most people just do regular patchwerk 1t 5m but with m+ trinkets, or dungeon slice

[stiff barn]

Can always do 5 targets for 30-60sec

[manic pelican]

I use gearstick as a suggestive add on instead of pawn.

[past pivot]

Raidbots has Droptimizer for that. Or Gear Compare.

[versed harness]

stupid question of the day. Can you craft two two-handers? I think you can just not the same one?

[polar trail]

Yup but 4 sparks so relatively expensive. And a dropped 2h can be upgraded for ‘free’ if you spec in and out of arms

[cobalt yacht]

Can some1 please tell me how to correctly sim gem or tell me where I can go to find the info?

[versed harness]

Sweet thank you 🙂

[chrome plover]

wdym spec in and out of arms

fury doesnt have crest restrictions on off hand

a high ilvl 2h lets you upgrade second 2h for just flightstones

[eternal sundial]

W

king

[pale lava]

this is probably the most clown M+ season currently

[chrome plover]

fun fact: if you list your key you can write this too

[pale lava]

more clown than df s2

[chrome plover]

wrong

[pale lava]

nah I'd rather not type this lmao

[winter shoal]

df s2 was "need aug" for every +8 key

And not even a current +8, an old +8

[pale lava]

yeah but this season u have enha shams doing tank dps

[chrome plover]

u have bad players every season

if you pug

[winter shoal]

Pugs have bean doing tank damage every season

[chrome plover]

just recency bias

it's not that bad rn imo

it's been waay worse

[keen kindle]

Idk man

[pale lava]

nah trust, I remember the past seasons well

[keen kindle]

Usually by now I'd have been farming 10s

And people can't do fucking 8s

[pale lava]

^

[keen kindle]

No matter how hard i vet

[chrome plover]

by 10s do you mean 20s

[keen kindle]

Same thing

But yes

You get my point

[chrome plover]

yeah i was just checking because some people dont

and expect to do 10s when they were doing 10s before

[keen kindle]

I got all portals in s3

[chrome plover]

I agree that 10s are harder than 20s were because they are fort and tyran

but in terms of comps and difficulty getting into keys

[keen kindle]

And cant get anywhere near that bow

[chrome plover]

it's felt the exact same for me

[keen kindle]

It feels a bit better since I rerolled

But I'm still mostly running my own

[chrome plover]

in my experience it's not worse than all 3 seasons of dragonflight

[keen kindle]

And people are just much pettier

[chrome plover]

however I'm someone who does 10s for weeklies and doesnt go higher

or doesnt tend to

[keen kindle]

I've noticed more of the "one thing goes wrong and I'm out" type of people

[chrome plover]

that is a little more of a thing because people are scared of challengers peril

[hardy cargo]

for me, getting into weekly keys has been harder but I think it could also be I am a bit more picky with what grps I apply to as well

[winter shoal]

I've had very little of this in 10+ keys

[keen kindle]

Well I'm not at 10 keys

[south kayak]

24 wipes NW moment

[keen kindle]

Because again I'm hard stuck cuz skill issue

[chrome plover]

it was 24 deaths*** and it was timed

:)

[keen kindle]

Because apparently 2.5k players can't do an 8

Or a 7

[winter shoal]

Had a 10NW with 9 deaths in the first 3 mins and full wipe on first pack, and we still timed by like 1:30 (pre-peril nerf)

[south kayak]

I know, I'm just saying that this fixed challenger's peril is very free

Not free

but it punishes you way less

[chrome plover]

yeah first pull our tank was just chain dying and running back in lmaoo

and we were kiting back to the entrance

[keen kindle]

Ihate when people do that

[chrome plover]

i mean

he ran out of cds about 1 min into the pull

and then to finish off the last bit

wcyd

[winter shoal]

If that pull lasts a minute it's joever anyways

[keen kindle]

Just walk out accept someone fucked up and try again

[chrome plover]

wiping is worse

[chrome plover]

yeah but we finished it, just wasnt clean

[keen kindle]

I'd rather wipe

Then feed deaths and waste rime

[chrome plover]

wiping is way worse because all the 10% hp mobs go back to 100

[winter shoal]

^

[south kayak]

^

[winter shoal]

Also you have no more cds and shit

[chrome plover]

yah

it was a miracle we didnt wipe tbh

[winter shoal]

So you're omega dead when you try and pull again, esp on bdk

[chrome plover]

but it was a full guild group and 4 alts so np

and we timed

[keen kindle]

I wish I could play with my guild man....that reminds me I need to go guild hunting

So I can get put of this hell

[hardy cargo]

recrutiment discord is op

[keen kindle]

Very true

[chrome plover]

honestly just adding likeminded people from pugs

was bis for me when i cared about doing keys

back in sl

people who play good or just have a good vibe

[keen kindle]

People who at least wonna try

I stg mages do tank damage evrey time

[winter shoal]

real

[pearl crypt]

Gosh darnit fdk is just soo much better than warr smh should i reroll guys?

[winter shoal]

pug mages are banned

[keen kindle]

It's funny because then I get one balance druid and they demolish evreything

[chrome plover]

yeah mages have been the worst this season fr

[chrome plover]

this is so last week

[keen kindle]

Balance druids redeemed themselves from doing tank damage in pugs in s3 of df

[hardy cargo]

frost mage is kinda nuts in keys

and easy to play

[pale lava]

his group is still empty even now

[hardy cargo]

fire is also doing well but they have kinda stinky st dam in their key build

[pale lava]

had a good laugh at least

[chrome plover]

but they all play arcane, never press defensives and do tank damage

[keen kindle]

Never seen a good one wouldn't know

[pale lava]

dying as mage in keys is illegal

[keen kindle]

THIS. MY GOD

[hardy cargo]

yeah arcane is pretty down horrendous in keys

[chrome plover]

yet they all perma dead

[stuck mason]

Mages are usually weirdo ass people too

[south kayak]

More often than not, mages in pugs I find are just straight up garbonzo

[keen kindle]

Which is funny

Cuz most pug furies do the same

[pearl crypt]

Cant wait what blizz's balance roulette will say next week 🔥

[south kayak]

I wouldn't know because I don't play with furies being a fury myself

[keen kindle]

I've stopped inviting warriors in general

It's not worth it even when I'm not playing warrior

[odd star]

i rerolled but found fdk is unfun and came crawling back to

[steel vigil]

the pug 12 wall is real

[odd star]

most caster players cant pump

[runic cypress]

crazy... warrior bad for 3 days wow

[candid spade]

quick question guys, whats better for fury in M +10 mountain or slayer ?

[winter shoal]

Either one

Whichever you're better at probably

Personally I play thane at that level, but slayer is also fine

[candid spade]

Ye haven't played thane before and was wondering if the sustained dmg is worth the switch

[modern ingot]

After trying AM thane hasted up AF i find the “normal” build just too slow.

[strange drift]

is slayer still best for raid multi target?

[winter shoal]

Probably depends on the rest of your comp, but tbh damage is rarely your issue on a 10. It's usually just "as long as nobody griefs and wipes us, we time"

[winter shoal]

Ya

@candid spade for what it's worth, Noxiv (r1 io dps warrior) plays slayer in like 15/16s

[oblique thistle]

More fast = more fun

[modern ingot]

True dat!

[candid spade]

thanks guys 🙂

[oblique thistle]

Plus CDs are always up with AM thane, feels better pack to pack

[modern ingot]

More buttons to press, more often and faster ! 😁

[bronze smelt]

Maybe Im just getting old, but I like the balance of speed, fast but not too fast, for RA THane. Plenty of fun buttons to press, but my old wrists dont get carpal tunnel from the crazy haste.

[oblique thistle]

It's nice that there's options for both styles of play now

[bronze smelt]

Absolutely

[oblique thistle]

Ppl who like fury rotation but want something slower have it, and us speed freaks that like go smash keys a lot still get to do that too

[modern ingot]

Slayer is kinda mix of both IMO not too fast not too slow.

[bronze smelt]

I definitely see the appeal for the speed freaks, it looks wildly fun. I did it for two dungeons and had to take a break because my wrist hurt so bad lol.

[wispy dock]

If we play slayer in keys do we go RA or AM or is it kinda whatever

[vague sierra]

I might lose my wrist, but I love being a speed freak, I can't stop.

[marsh agate]

I think slayer is always RA

[proper solar]

Really dislike pressing ww on fury, prefer slapping heavy cleaves as arms tbh

[mossy fox]

Frenzied enrage enjoyers are objectively cooler than powerful enrage enjoyers

[marsh agate]

Hot take

[mossy fox]

ice cold take

[marsh agate]

Whirlwind is the least satisfying ability, especially if you compare the sound fx between that and cleave. Cleave is so satisfying to press

[pearl crypt]

Hell yeah man

Wotlk WW makes me erect

Retail ww makes me not want to press it

Wotlk WW with deep wound proc

[violet condor]

i pray during the warrior rework ( ) powerful enrage is removed what a lame ability

or moved somehwere else so we can still get haste enrage

[hard widget]

Based

And true

[sick jungle]

too fast

[modest condor]

if you dont have at least 60% haste during combat are you even playing fury

[frail trout]

I'm not playing a rogue I'm using 2x 2h weapons

I'm cool with slow meaty hits

The pacing of powerful enrage doesn't feel bad for me

[vivid moth]

The zoomer in me likes frenzied enrage, the boomer wrist hand and fingers like powerful enrage

[south kayak]

It doesn't feel bad but Frenzied feels so much better

and it feels right

[frail trout]

I prefer that the least in a raid environment

The raids have enough weird shit going on that makes my inputs feel delayed

Like lusting p1 sylvanas you charge in and your abilities are barely going off

I don't need any factors that accelerate this feeling

In keys, sure frenzied is chill

[past pivot]

sylvannas??

[frail trout]

It was just an easy example I could type with zero hesitation

I've felt that way about some bosses in this raid also

Where it feels like it's not taking my inputs in time to actually change what's next in the spell queue during lust on a boss that's loading a shitload of mechanics

[violet condor]

people that want slow meaty hits go play arms, fury has always had high haste i despise powerful enrage and how it falls off a cliff at someone point during this expansion or gets deleted

[frail trout]

They are both viable.....relax

It's not even remotely comparable to other classes hot take abilities

Like frost dk you either like breath or you don't there isn't much in-between

But breath is always what ends up trending and it's a huge gameplay change

[violet condor]

i am calm thats just my opinion i also highly dislike reckless abandon

AM much better, recklessness isnt a good enough CD to be 1:30 reckless abandon should also buff reckless in some way in addition to what it does now

[frail trout]

Maybe when raids are completely stable with no weird ass delay issues I will be accepting of having 60%+ haste

[queen tapir]

RA and AM should be 1 talent that chooses both

if anyone has played jailer tier

you would understand how fun that shit was

[frail trout]

That was fun yeah

[chilly fractal]

My favorite fight to play RA on what Protector in SoD

Because you had to play a meta game of not letting CB charge you into certain death

[queen tapir]

yeah shit was hella fun fr fr no cap 💀

if i remember correctly though fury was the most dog shit class for like every raid tier no

except for sepulcher

[frail trout]

I really enjoyed arms in sanctum of domination

[chilly fractal]

We were robbed at the 0 hour from running Necro Fury in Sepulcher

[queen tapir]

🤮

[violet condor]

castle nathria...still elicits ptsd in any warrior who played then

[queen tapir]

[frail trout]

I was playing a moonkin in nathria and thank god for that

[queen tapir]

Imagine being the most useless sack of shit class for like 70% of hte fight

[violet condor]

we were almost gonna have nathria 2.0 this season until we were buffed by like 60% each

[modest condor]

uhhh

even after all the nerfs fury was in a tier of its own for killing adds on queen

[frail trout]

Think he means before the expansion actually launched they did what can only be described as some insane bandaid buffs

[violet condor]

who..was talking about queen?

[frail trout]

Like over 30% for the whole spec

[violet condor]

yea i meant beta for tww

when we got 50, and 60% dmg increase for arms and fury

[modest condor]

ok but that's beta

[violet condor]

overall

yea but what im saying is we ALMOST were nathrias 2.0 until a random 50% buff

[modest condor]

taking anything tuning related from beta is kinda weird

[violet condor]

well how did warrior make into nathria with a beta...

[frail trout]

They let stuff enter the game in a bad state all the time, seems like a realistic possibility to me

[lament lagoon]

Someone carry me thru 12s thx :3

[grave kiln]

Caring this much about what could have happened is INSANELY weird

[queen tapir]

its not that deep

chill we are just chatting

[violet condor]

im simply talking about nathria and how bad we were for half a beta its not that deep

[grave kiln]

Be happy it didnt happen 🙂

[frail trout]

No one cares it just someone started analyzing the comment so it had to be explained

[queen tapir]

analyzing random shit we are talking about

gg impossible to randomly talk to people I guess

[modest condor]

damn you're weird

[queen tapir]

ok sure man

[violet condor]

it aint that deep ben

[queen tapir]

I am the weird one I guess ill take that

[modest condor]

they said something, i said something, they said that's not what they were talking about

and now you're being weird

[queen tapir]

and I am talking to eliass btw

[pale lava]

me and mage is literally perfect tuning right there

[vague sierra]

keep red class down tru

[violet condor]

no no frost is ok being meta

it hasnt been in a decade

[modest condor]

i think frost dk needs a buff

[frail trout]

Doing a key with enhancement is still eye opening

[violet condor]

dont be mean to them 😦

[pale lava]

in some alternate universe all classes are 0.1m apart on dps

[modest condor]

looking at that details

[queen tapir]

Saw some chinese guys playing it

on stream that shit was doing damage on 17's

enhancement still 20% more damage though 🤷‍♂️

[frail trout]

Yeah they are a bit insane

[queen tapir]

but guy was definitely doing some nasty prio damage thats for sure

[modest condor]

im surprised that people are running fdk enha instead of assa enha tbh

[queen tapir]

dont think rogue survives in 17's

with an enha

seems like tankiness becomes an issue when you have an evoker, enha, rogue

and a disc priest as well. its a paper comp

[normal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/pssst-indiana-jones-shhh-hush-walking-dead-gif-14470107

ppl don't like hearing that

fury bad

[pale lava]

this tbh

assa is disgustingly good rn

turbo tanky, insane damage

[south kayak]

FDK is way more thanky

[modest condor]

people have made it work in +16 without aug so i dont think tankiness is the problem

[restive peak]

^

FDK is just so fuckin tanky, but the nerfs are chipping away

I'm regularly matching our FDK now, we trade keys a lot by very small margins

But if I run w a good assa or enh, they crank me

[mild ravine]

yo guys

[pale lava]

yeah enh or ass are unbeatable if they are good

[mild ravine]

am I casting too many CBs?

[night relic]

Never been able to outdo an assa

[compact knot]

no such thing as casting too many cbs

[modest condor]

there is no such thing as too many CBs, only too few

[pale lava]

do your bloodbaths match your crushing blows?

if yes, then no

[compact knot]

jinx

[mild ravine]

217 for both skills

[restive peak]

Not playing thane kekw

[south kayak]

Play arms then tell me that

[modest condor]

what does arms have to do with an assa enha comp?

[south kayak]

It has to do with tankiness

in m+

[modest condor]

ok but it's not part of the comp

so why is it relevant?

[restive peak]

He was answering about assa though not arms lol

[compact knot]

there is no way arms isnt tankier than ench

btw

[pale lava]

they match so that's good

[mild ravine]

I've just noticed that I've let quite a few casts go through

[queen tapir]

enha unironically might be tankier than arms

🤣

[mild ravine]

232 casts of rampage

[pale lava]

work your arms in the gym so they look like tanks

[compact knot]

arms is 100% tankier than ench

so

[pale lava]

become tankier

profit?

[restive peak]

Warrior is actually deceptively not tanky unless you're proactive, esp arms

[compact knot]

am/berserks thane feels so fucking nice to play

[south kayak]

im actually not sure how enha is surviving in 17s lol

[pale lava]

true, warrior is very tanky but only if you're aware of everything happening around you

[modest condor]

and we still have the option to talent into endurance training

[mild ravine]

ran a 11 DB eysterday with another warrior, (2 warriors numa moto as brazillians would say) and the had like 18s of SR uptime

[south kayak]

yo Lincc

Look at me

[modest condor]

which for fury is like less than 3% dps loss

[pale lava]

Arms player

[meager coral]

heyo, i just got 80 on my fury warrior, do both 2handed weapons add the same dps? Meaning, do i need to craft 2 619 2handed weapons? Or only 1 is important, and wait until i loot a hero weap for my 2nd one?

[modest condor]

well

your offhand is less important than your mainhand, but it's still the 2nd strongest item you can get

however, weapons cost 2 sparks

[meager coral]

😭 yeah

[modest condor]

so you're better off just crafting 1 weapon and then crafting other things

[compact knot]

you can change 3 talents around and gain +1.2m hp

for small dps loss

[modest condor]

and another 10% hp on demand

[compact knot]

yeah

[modest condor]

like we havent even seen fury at its tankiest yet

[queen tapir]

have never felt in danger as fury

so I dont need more tankiness I guess..

[compact knot]

im 625 ilvl with 7.1m hp

i aint ever dying

we stay big

[south kayak]

Isn't this the tankiest fury has ever been?

or BFA

[modest condor]

this is tankier

[south kayak]

We had much beefier CSHB

[modest condor]

way tankier

in bfa we didnt have def stance or spell reflect

[south kayak]

oh right, BFA also didn't have DStance or SR

true

[tidal kindle]

ER Unhinged

[mild ravine]

I'm 630 with 6.5kk

[south kayak]

When do we get arms at their tankiest

[tidal kindle]

DF s1/s2

[south kayak]

hmmge

[queen tapir]

i'd rather never get arms being tanky cause I really despise playing that shit.

[restive peak]

Atta boi

[queen tapir]

fuck that spec

[south kayak]

what's the best t2 set

don't say paladin

[eager thorn]

I like lock

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KhRya/b9fa339a12.png

fort and vigor because i play with those classes in my team

[south kayak]

what is that

4%?

[queen tapir]

assa rogue tset

[restive peak]

Wish there was a way to get endurance training

[south kayak]

Btw I got one shot through an entirety of heaving retch on my arms lmao

[modest condor]

there is

it's 2% haste and negligible auto attack

[restive peak]

I aint droppin 1 ATTT

[modest condor]

less than 3% loss

[south kayak]

I ain't losing dps

[restive peak]

Oh right I forgot that's a 1 bang so it covers, hmm

[south kayak]

make Piercing Howl baseline

and move endurance trainig up somewhere

[compact knot]

we have thunder clap anyways

[restive peak]

Oh no it's 2 points, fuck IDK man

[compact knot]

why would we need piercing howl tbh

[restive peak]

Let's see how much hp I have

[modest condor]

it's still less than 3% dps loss

[restive peak]

Gives DKs fuckin 20% stam free

[south kayak]

idk, we have too much bullshit in our class tree

[restive peak]

We hate blizz

[south kayak]

half of it needs to go away

[nimble ermine]

idk man if dks can get 20% stam for 1 point early on the tree

[modest condor]

if the choice is 3% dps or living then it's an obvious choice to me

[compact knot]

60% slow built into your rotation > 70% slow on a 30s cd that doesnt do damage

[nimble ermine]

then end training should be the same

[normal bane]

they should make it a real option

and not a fake one

[restive peak]

Oh holy fuck it's 700k hp, it's actually an insane amount

[compact knot]

@restive peak dont forget steadfast as the peaks

[modest condor]

crackling thunder turns thunderclap into a permanent 40% slow

[south kayak]

Do you enjoy slayer or thane more?

Silm

[modest condor]

piercing howl is just a waste of a talent point at this point

slayer

[normal bane]

do other classes need to pick between throughput and stamina nodes

like evoker/lock

[restive peak]

I have steadfast

[modest condor]

some specs need to give up dps to pick their interrupt

[compact knot]

^

[modest condor]

not all trees are equal

[normal bane]

yea they need jesus too

[queen tapir]

hmm

[normal bane]

just because ppl are starting in africa doesn't mean i can't be starving here

[queen tapir]

I really like my haste but uhh

[compact knot]

run frenzied enrage

you wont feel that 2% haste

[queen tapir]

obviously ia m running enrage

[modest condor]

2% haste is barely noticable

[queen tapir]

true

700k hp > 2% haste

ill take that

[south kayak]

Bake in Bounding Strike into Leap, Make Intimidating Shout baseline

[modest condor]

just take endurance training if you're doing a +17 NW

[south kayak]

Make Double TIme baseline

It's about time we get double time baseline

[inner delta]

What's the 'best practice for m+ simming now? Dslice? 5target 5min? 5target 1.5min? 8target? etc etc..

[queen tapir]

5 target and 1 target patchwerk

[compact knot]

5t5m feels good

[queen tapir]

you dont want to go full aoe and have literally 0 damage on a boss sounds like a bad time

[modest condor]

lmao wtf mdi is +9s

[hard widget]

THEY ARE GAMING BRO

Relax

[modest condor]

that's so low it's not even interesting to watch

[hard widget]

Crest farm

[modest condor]

nothing kills you

[hard widget]

[south kayak]

lmao

[queen tapir]

🤣

[south kayak]

i mean mdi was 18+

that's basically equivalent to a 9

[modest condor]

even atal dazar in dragonflight was more dangerous

[queen tapir]

its a COT 9 as well

[modest condor]

wasnt mdi like 22-24 or something in df

[queen tapir]

fuck me man

pull the entire dungeon I guess kick twisting thoughts and you will b e good

[hard widget]

Next season Weekly No Leaver MDI

[compact knot]

COT first pull with the big scarab guy is always so dangerous for pugs

ranged just sit in that frontal

[modest condor]

not on a +9

well i guess a +9 pug

[compact knot]

even on a +9

[south kayak]

isn't MDI about speed and efficiency

Pulling as much as possible

[compact knot]

they are just attracted to that shit

[hard widget]

Bro if the tank dies in a +9 i can tank the pull for like another 15 seconds as fury

[queen tapir]

my man I failed a 7 pug

[hard widget]

[south kayak]

so you can finish as much as possible?

[compact knot]

yeah they will go left off spawn prolly and just pull everything

[queen tapir]

on cot

[modest condor]

mdi is about speed yes

[queen tapir]

the dk tank and his healer monk

ended up flaming me

apparently I was shit

some how

[south kayak]

Pulling that many mobs is sometimes bound to cause wipes

[compact knot]

idk how tanks die on +9

[south kayak]

that's the downside

[modest condor]

yeah that's the point, not on a +9

nothing is lethal at that keylevel

even if you mess up you're gonna be fine

[compact knot]

arent there 2 different key events

one where they do super high keys and mdi which is just go fast