fury

[queen tapir]

huh

gl bud

[radiant plank]

Hi dad I got good grades can I spend our weekly grocery bill on a useless mount

[flat river]

im a good persuader

[queen tapir]

'weekly grocery bill is crazy'

[radiant plank]

Personally its 1.5month of groceries

[worldly cave]

x-mas soon...

[radiant plank]

but assume they have family of 3-4

90 for week

reasonable

[flat river]

we dont celebrate christmas :<

[flat river]

nah all my siblings are older than me and left for america

2 of them are married

[worldly cave]

🥲...

[radiant plank]

for america

horror

[queen tapir]

Not sure if you can get a part time gi

gig

[flat river]

third one getting doctorate

[queen tapir]

but if you work for 10 hours

then quit your job

[radiant plank]

Christmas part time gig

[warped bone]

I don't think I'd ever want to live in america. Buuut I'm also from Sweden. Obviously worse places than merica

[radiant plank]

Go wrap some presents

idk

[queen tapir]

yeah wrap some presents

[warped bone]

Just can't imagine ruining our life because you had to stay at the hospital and now you are in debt

[clever belfry]

this means youre a COMMIE!!!!!!!

[queen tapir]

maybe clean some cars or some shit

[flat river]

i dont celebrate christmas

[clever belfry]

🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅

[radiant plank]

well

you dont have to

other people do

[warped bone]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-classic-pride-colorful-happy-gif-18101124

[radiant plank]

even better for you

you dont missout on siht

[queen tapir]

man having fomo at that age is crazy though

🤣

[radiant plank]

fomo is worse at younger age ngl

[queen tapir]

trust me you aint losing anything from not getting the mount

[flat river]

i know

[queen tapir]

I guess you are losing money

[flat river]

i just want auction house

[queen tapir]

if you do get it

[flat river]

im a crafter

[radiant plank]

mount is kinda broken for crafter mains

u can just afk at table

[flat river]

not as a blacksmith

it's in a building

[radiant plank]

reroll

[flat river]

cant i make alot of money

everyone needs weapons

i have loyal patrons

[warped bone]

Does that portable table work for order? Or does it only allow you to craft

[radiant plank]

portable table

more expensive than mount

[flat river]

one time i tped back to dornogal to craft something for a guildie and 5 people messaged me telling me they want a craft also

[warped bone]

I mean if you playing the AH game might as well shell out for a table also xD

[flat river]

real

[queen tapir]

I mean brother

[flat river]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1gcr6w2/introducing_the_ultramighty_caravan_hypersaur_mk/

hear me out

[queen tapir]

if you do infact craft

[flat river]

xD

[queen tapir]

you are probably rich af

buy some tokens

buy the mount

gg

[flat river]

only have 1 million gold

[queen tapir]

you are close

[warped bone]

Almost there!

[queen tapir]

just 1 more million

sheet

[flat river]

ok blike

im a hoarder

i like having gold

:<

[queen tapir]

you just need 1.8mil to buy the mount

at current token prices

1.8 million I mean you can farm that in like a week

gl

[flat river]

wait how much IS a token

[radiant plank]

like 280k

[queen tapir]

depends on whether you are in eu or na

[flat river]

lemme check

[warped bone]

Go turkey. Friend converted what it would cost him. A wooping 30 Euro

xD

[flat river]

[radiant plank]

oh

[warped bone]

You have until what was it January 5th - 6th? Token price will drop

[radiant plank]

thats like

3milly for mount

xdd

[flat river]

or i could buy it with my money

that i dont have

[warped bone]

Boooo

[flat river]

so my dads money

xd

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-credit-card-gif-24100661

[warm crag]

nuh uh

[queen tapir]

the good old buy the mount for like 30 usd

👌

I am turkish I guess for the next 180 days some how

[molten wing]

cok guzel

[wraith siren]

Do you know if hack and slash is related to the set bonus or not ?

[rough coral]

wait does this work actually can i buy it ?

[warm crag]

wouldn't risk it

[civic ravine]

is it worth running snap induction for a M+ thane build if you're running AM?

[warm crag]

they can just kinda close your account for this

[wraith siren]

For anyone who cares, I simmed a 5% difference between SMF and two handed weapons on my character. 608 ilvl

[rough coral]

ah ok

[flat river]

can u show us a video of you typing in your credit card info

i need proof that u bought it

[lofty delta]

Are we expecting any kinds of rotational changes with reset or just slightly higher BT priority?

[tardy lark]

dont you have some 2factor shit for purchases

[tardy lark]

looking like we just drop the crit conditionals for BB meaning you basically just ramp-cb-bb-fill-ramp

[warm crag]

whats the logic in dropping the crit conditional

[lofty delta]

Crit conditionals? Saywhat

[fading sky]

ze blood crazie`?

[hardy cargo]

surely just to not waste ra procs ya

[warm crag]

i mean you don't really waste ra procs either way

[hardy cargo]

but foregoing bbs during cds smelly now no longer do it

I dont anyways bc im a rat but

[tardy lark]

meaning you dont drop BB during reck or other high rage situations mainly

[warm crag]

ah i see

idk makes the rotation stupider

dont like that

[lofty delta]

I never did that xD whoops

[tardy lark]

its a very small gain, but a big rotational simplification

[tardy lark]

you didnt miss out on playing arouond BB crit or Opportunist on CB

[hardy cargo]

I just skip it anyways and still do alright 🤷‍♂️

[tardy lark]

opportunist can die in a fire

[warm crag]

i dont think anyone was seriously playing around opportunist

bb crit conditional is easy if you have a wa that makes it glow when its correct to press

hate this iteration of warrior that needs a WA suite to make shit glow when its correct to press

arms is worse for this

[tardy lark]

Idk, its the decider whether i ramp at 90 rage instead of going to 0 RB stacks

[left perch]

What should we do with the information presented

[warm crag]

play smf

now remove my shitter role

[tardy lark]

Who might've given you that

🙈

[warm crag]

i will assault you

[tardy lark]

https://i.gyazo.com/a59f455706d9734780fb98b4fe56f3b4.gif

[lofty delta]

Beautiful

An actual work of art

[orchid dagger]

Isn't Thane more than 5% in Single Target?

[warm crag]

there was a warlock heat seeking missile moment for our kill

if he didnt kill me he wouldve killed the frost dk so it was a net gain for me to die :thumbsup\

[left perch]

who gave you shitter role

[tardy lark]

I had our Enh leave red group, travel 180 degrees around the boss in between the ranged/melee split and hit me furthest away among blue team

[warm crag]

other server you fool

[tardy lark]

solid 0 parse on that kill

https://www.twitch.tv/aagaardx/clip/DaintyObliqueGarageMikeHogu--bIf93qNRW7MrZh4

i need to gif this

[left perch]

Ok pink ranger ✅

[idle pewter]

should I never sim dungeon slice as fury for m+ gains ?

some pyschopath said 5 target patchwerk is better the other day

[left perch]

I personally don’t find value in it, just do 5T or 10T

do you know any m+ routes that pull exactly how dslice does?

[idle pewter]

it spits me back 4 mil dps sim for 5 target

but dslice is simming closer to my actual overall dps in dungeons ?

so im just unsure why its better

[left perch]

it’s a lot less wonky than it used to be.

but “matching the sim” is not the actual goal of simming

[tardy lark]

We're kinda writing the APL for sim gains at some point with very little real world difference, but a sim is just theory in the end. How your tank pulls, when others use CDs and if you have wipes all impact an M+ run in practice.

[molten wing]

a side question but what's the WA that calls for Rally, it probably reads the ERT and just screams at you to use it when the time is right :?

[warm crag]

kaze ert probs

[idle pewter]

I understand, but Im just trying to understand what will give me a closer representation when I say upgrade an ilvl, or switch out gems/enchants

[eternal sundial]

aagaard big LR abuser

[warm crag]

what is this

[molten wing]

kind of went through my whole mythic raiding experience without shit like that and just used Rally whenever it was called or just learn when we usually want it

[tardy lark]

Fury has very little real difference in whats optimal in aoe vs st as you are really just using st rotation with ww in there

really just sim 5min ST in your m+ build and you're good

[tardy lark]

yeah thats kaze mrt weakaura before i fully switched to liquidreminders

[eternal sundial]

limit reminders

[warm crag]

fucked up!

[tardy lark]

most broken addon tbh

[idle pewter]

I thought this was the case, but sometimes different enchants will be a downgrade in pathwerk but an upgrade in dungeon slice, so I wanted to understand why that is

at this point im just fishing for mythic track gear in vault and swapping about off pieces/enchants for little gains

[mossy fox]

dont need to remember timings anymore just click timeline and gg

[left perch]

@eternal sundial are you actually retiring btw

[radiant plank]

anyone has the updated liquid reminder

[tardy lark]

I've just resigned myself to putting a SR icon in the middle of my screen instead of trying to think for myself in P1 of queen lol

[radiant plank]

I definetly do not wanted it dm'd to me

[tardy lark]

remind me tonight @radiant plank

at work pc rn 🙈

[molten wing]

is it paid or something

[radiant plank]

Will do, ty : 3

[eternal sundial]

idk ye

[tardy lark]

balancing on the gray area of ToS regarding addons, but realistically, yes it is

[eternal sundial]

not like evryone paid for it

[molten wing]

ay

[warm crag]

ok but she doesnt do anything before roots

[oblique trail]

ICCM

Intercontinental Clarius Missile

[warm crag]

like shes just casting it for 5 seconds how do u forgetti

[tardy lark]

I have to force myself not to use it for the froth explosion->tank buster overlap for DR

[wraith siren]

5% less dmg with smf of course. Just thought I would share I saw a lot of questions about it

[tardy lark]

or at least i've done that a couple of times and thought i'd just use LR to make me not do it again

[kind crescent]

How good will fury be with the buffs tuesday?

[oblique trail]

Approx a lot better

#updates-midnight has actual numbers

[warm crag]

fair

[oblique trail]

We wont be the best spec still, but we'll be in a good place

[idle pewter]

as long as I can slam overall against rets 15 ilvls below me im happy 🙂

[tardy lark]

im just hard programmed to look for damage reduction uses lol

[left perch]

We will be not last place for surely

[warm crag]

idk i somewhat trolled defensive usage on court but also that fight just doesnt hurt

[oblique trail]

You're hard programmed to be a noob

[warm crag]

except for like dispells? but then u just press whatever

[tardy lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223266654572773376/1295987834712231967/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[tardy lark]

only time i use defensives is when i get the dispel thingy

especially the one in p3 with swarm overlap

[warm crag]

idk i pressed sr on swarms and ER when first dispells happened in p2 cause those fucked for some reason

[chrome plover]

idk either

im still progging kyveza

[warm crag]

press your defensives noob

[chrome plover]

I survive intermission 10/10 times and about 15 people do not

I'm in prog waiting room

I am playing fury

[oblique trail]

It took me approx 100 pulls to get comfortable dodging web blades on Ansurek

I am a noober

[molten wing]

starting kyveza prog tomorrow , trying to wrap around everythign that happens there , but i eventually think i have an idea about the fight kek

[warm crag]

explode banezi!

[chrome plover]

if you stand in the correct spot and remember that spell reflect goes hard

it's kind of chill

[warm crag]

press dstance if u cant hit boss

[oblique trail]

cease

[molten wing]

you can SR the blaze right

and just keep using SR for the dr when you can

[tardy lark]

did you have invisible and lasting web blades yesterday

[chrome plover]

yep

[oblique trail]

We had one instance of this yes

https://gyazo.com/98af7c62b212564584b70045b8162f0d

It killed me, our DH and almost a 3rd too (the 3rd was a DK so they didn't die obv)

[warm crag]

banezi SLAUGHTERED on live television

[eternal sundial]

low health

is such a pointless reminder

[tardy lark]

https://www.twitch.tv/aagaardx/clip/LuckyPrettiestGiraffeHumbleLife-AoGX6lJqHCQAyPfj

[oblique trail]

Well I was in fact low health

[warm crag]

idk the sound effect is kind of nice to reactively pot to

[tardy lark]

remember, the easiest way to progress this game is to reduce your foe's health to 0 before your foe reduces yours to 0

[eternal sundial]

HACK

[warm crag]

mine flashes aswel..

[tardy lark]

need all the visual stimuli i can get

[hardy cargo]

im passing this to my raid leader IMMEDIATELY

[molten wing]

could be this line on the right and just it having pepega range

[oblique trail]

I am not in it

[warm crag]

yeah @oblique trail shouldve dodged it

noob

[oblique trail]

I've been able to pixel perfect dodge between blades

It's just misaligned to where it is visually

[molten wing]

you are not it , but i'm just asking maybe it has weird range idk

[warm crag]

yeah idk why you would point out that we mightve gotten hit by a mechanic we dodged a million times

[oblique trail]

It was the same for our DH who was standing behind me

Who also got hit by it

[tardy lark]

on the clip i sent, 4 more people walk forward and die to it as well

[oblique trail]

Ansurek is a very sick fight

[tardy lark]

i just clipped it cause i got called out for dying before it was "buggy"

[oblique trail]

Desynced abilities however is not very sick

Me and our DH also recorded and streamed it on Disc to show we weren't just bad

Had to defend our cases

[tardy lark]

Idk, im not that big a fan of how many mechanics just get thrown at you in some parts of p3

[oblique trail]

Not in P3 yet

[brazen estuary]

are warriors getiing buffed again or how should i understand the latest update????

[oblique trail]

But we got to 3rd platform 2 or 3 times

[brazen estuary]

didnt they just NERF us?

[oblique trail]

We are getting buffed yes

[brazen estuary]

im confused as fuck fam

[oblique trail]

And they did just nerf us as well yes

There's evidently a lot going wrong at Blizzard atm

[tardy lark]

smallies -> blades -> portal spawns -> big adds -> condemnation back to back

[brazen estuary]

okay well happy to see numbers go up again for us tho

[fast mural]

So is blizzard

[sharp coral]

Hello, I have a question. Is it best to open vault as Arms loot spec to avoid 1H weapons?

[fast mural]

Yes

[tardy lark]

i hope splat yelled at you to walk into portals very early

[unreal belfry]

Yes

[bitter fable]

Tldr they nerfed is so much they had to buff us lol

[sharp coral]

Thanks

[oblique trail]

Actually pretty sure we talked about milking them as much as possible

But walk in like 2 sec before ideally

[tardy lark]

ah you're hoping to skip last portal i guess

[oblique trail]

Shrug

We haven't gotten there yet

People still need to figure out how to actually live P2

I'm not even assigned to portals really

So far down the prio

[tardy lark]

do you have issues with damage or threat on melee guy on second platform

[oblique trail]

Only time I gotta go through is if we somehow have multiple deaths

Not that I've noticed

If anything it's the small spiders because I gotta leap up to make our platform be the first wrest target

So I often just leap straight onto the spiders and aggro them

[tardy lark]

yea walk a little further and leap behind them

and throw weapon the melee guy to activate asap

[warm crag]

i thought its uphill how do u leap past the spiders

[tardy lark]

idk

works

🤷‍♀️

[oblique trail]

They start walking fairly fast

[brazen estuary]

ayo thats messed up tho

[oblique trail]

So unless you do like me and insta leap, they should be far enough down the bridge for you to leap and still be the first up

But also have to look more at PoVs

[tardy lark]

we did plat1 too fast to have SR ready for plat2 once yesterday somehow

[tardy lark]

Just check Dan's and copy 1:1

or mine, cause we copied Method 1:1 there xd

[clever belfry]

@lost saffron

[tardy lark]

Toph donowalled me

📉

[clever belfry]

blud is offline

[tardy lark]

granted i did dm him at like 3 am

i've been donowalled for a week man

[clever belfry]

just spam him

with this emote

or maybe this one

[tidal kindle]

[tardy lark]

doc caught

[clever belfry]

boe jiden

[oblique trail]

[oblique trail]

I looked at his and it's what I expected, that instead of insta leaping, you just wait a sec or two and then leap

Hopefully though we'll be more comfy and have the bridges be insta popped as the adds die next time

[tardy lark]

we have bridges hard assigned

[oblique trail]

So do we

[tardy lark]

as you arent killing the boss with someone dead in p2 anyway

[oblique trail]

Think it's just the dispel puddles that were placed in awkward spots

Or people not being 100% ready

[tardy lark]

i just stop hitting the last 5-8 mil hp of the last alive add and afk at pillar

do you have the good CD timings p2 and 3

[oblique trail]

I am doing what Ilhittu does

[tardy lark]

or did Uffe or someone yoink it

[oblique trail]

So I just send CDs 2nd platform

[tardy lark]

is that plat2 and p3 adds1 and 3?

[oblique trail]

Iirc yes

[tardy lark]

yeah you have the good timings

[oblique trail]

I'm lone warrior

I can pick my own timings

None is the master of me and my CDs

[tardy lark]

Not that much a matter of own timings than it is a damage share

[oblique trail]

well

[tardy lark]

riku and boomie did same p3 cds

[oblique trail]

I've not talked to anyone about their CD timings

[tardy lark]

i did add2 and late add3 in p3

[oblique trail]

On lorrgs tho it looks very universal that everyone just does the same

[tardy lark]

cause its the most damage and people arent thinking for themselves

[oblique trail]

Except 4 people

[tardy lark]

obviously you'd like to aoe smallies on platform 2

[oblique trail]

3 of 4 logs are CN players it looks like that uses Avatar desynced from the rest

Can't convince me these players think of the raid as a whole with those timings..

[tardy lark]

depends on when its used i guess?

but theres a reason they spend 1000 pulls eks d

[oblique trail]

I don't actually know what they use them on

Acolytes or something ig?

[tardy lark]

huh

i think thats just to not lose out on a cast

[oblique trail]

I feel it's worth to just send it on the adds no?

Tbf the bottom 3 of those uses are on 10 minute kills

So they do get one more use from it

[tardy lark]

yeah im pretty sure thats the reason for it

[earnest meteor]

any nerfs yet ?

[oblique trail]

Holding for a minute however is definitely quite yucky

Twice even

[tardy lark]

yeah but its optimal for killing the boss

[oblique trail]

Well yeah

I'm there to do add damage

So it's what I'll do

[tardy lark]

but yeah, cals timings are the actual good ones even with a cast less than me

we pushed p2 too fast so i was late on 3rd set in p3

what i initially set timers up for

[oblique trail]

Rolled

We're in that awkward prog point where we use lust I1, but we also hold damage

[tardy lark]

4 seconds late = blades spawning 💀

lust intermission no?

[oblique trail]

Yes that's what I said

We lust I1, but we also hold damage in I1

[tardy lark]

og, my mind just read p1 xd

huh

[oblique trail]

The lust is simply just for healing throughput

[tardy lark]

why bother holding when you just need p2 reps

[oblique trail]

Because we want to have proper timings as well for said P2 attempts

[warm crag]

Where are u supposed to luat

[tardy lark]

like just take CDs off intermission and sit on them

you'd like to lust 3rd set of adds in p3

[oblique trail]

It was suggested, but we'll likely first do that next reset

[warm crag]

How long is the fight in mythic is it a 2 luster

[oblique trail]

It's less than 10 min

[tardy lark]

9:18 kill for us

[oblique trail]

Most have around 9-9:30

[warm crag]

If u suck

[tardy lark]

we blasted the boss though

[radiant plank]

dont ask the chinese

about fight timer for that

[left perch]

what did they do

[tardy lark]

was watching <xD> who were blasting and all of a sudden we have her 1-1.5% lower going into p2

[radiant plank]

They fight the boss for very long

[clever belfry]

suck what sir

[queen tapir]

fuck the fomo

:/

[heavy nacelle]

heh, I don't even participate in the anniversary event, much less this 😛

[calm island]

One more sleep til we get to play the game

[heavy nacelle]

I'm much more happy in WoW since I stopped caring about getting everything

oh shit the buffs yeah, my warrior feels strong even now, i'm gonna be destroying after reset ;O

but look... on the topic of buffs and feeling weak

if you have this many different specs in the game, someone must always be at the bottom obviously, does that mean they need to be buffed? if yes then you're just in an endless buffing cycle :p

unless youre GIGA LAST miles behind the next spec, alright

but that's rarely the case

[chrome plover]

yes

[covert void]

There's no real reason why most classes cant be close when it comes to balancing. The data is there to do it. Someone always has to be bottom, but it should only be by very small amounts.

[chrome plover]

nerf top buff bottom and repeat

[eager thorn]

1 more noob buying it so i will never have to

Thank you for ur donation

[heavy nacelle]

that would be easy to do if there was just 1 fight in the game, i feel like someone being too strong or too weak is situational cause maybe the timings dont align right or the target count..

[chrome plover]

exhibit A: fury warrior

[hasty tide]

Even though these buffs won't make us meta, I am just happy as a clam to not be nerfed anymore.

[heavy nacelle]

true, but now someone else will feel sad for being the worst ;[

[covert void]

Well quite, in raid there will always be an element of that but thats fine there, thats why you have different comps etc.

[chrome plover]

i am a time traveler and i really hate to tell you what's happening in 7 days

[covert void]

for m+ there's no real reason why it cant be balanced a lot better

[hasty tide]

There must always be a lich king...someone has to be the worst lol just glad it's not us

[chrome plover]

its ele shaman at this rate

[covert void]

I'm not really a fan of niches in this game anyways, fury is a great example of how they don't actually want it.

[misty sierra]

the problem is not that fury is bad, it's that both fury and arms was bad at the sametime. It would be ok if one of the spec is mid

[covert void]

We had a niche, still do, but they stomped the spec into the ground because of it.

Just normalise aoe and st. no niches. have all specs able to do both at a similar level. It's boring, but you won't ever have balancing issues. The 'fun' comes in rotation, how it feels to play etc.

[livid marsh]

like in ff14?

[covert void]

Not played it, but apparently all specs are like within 1-2% of each other?

[oblique trail]

If you look at per role perhaps

[covert void]

For me, blizzard have shown they can't balance properly. Kneejerk, late, too much one way or the other etc.

[livid marsh]

pretty much, there are differences and the type of content they do is very different

[chrome plover]

why do they have so many diff types of dps on their logs

[hard widget]

To be honest, fury st output is really competitive in m+

I wouldnt say “niche”

[oblique trail]

Because they have many classes that buff others

[livid marsh]

the niche is big aoe upfront

most classes dont have that

[oblique trail]

So they separate to show how much you do with or without your buffs to others, and others buffs on your damage

[covert void]

I wonder if it could ever work to split m+ and raid too. like pve - pvp is split. They wont do it, would require a lot more investment in the balancing team probably but to me, always seems raid fucks with m+ or the other way round.

[chrome plover]

I know adps and rdps but what are ndps and cdps

[oblique trail]

Honestly I don't remember it either

[hard widget]

This would make the game very complicated

[covert void]

Why?

[oblique trail]

But think for general use rdps and adps is what you can go by and be fine

[nocturne salmon]

ndps is personal damage with no buffs i pretty sure

[covert void]

It would for the balancing team, but as i say, if they actually build a very good balancing team i dont see why they couldnt.

[nocturne salmon]

or at least something along the lines of it

[hard widget]

Because pvp players arent required to play raid or m+ for gear. But m+ or raid players are

[covert void]

use some of that bruto money to build that department up.

[hard widget]

You’d end up with loads of different builds

[covert void]

we do anyways?

[hard widget]

we dont

[chrome plover]

they would end up separating gearing like pvp gear

for m+

[covert void]

Okay, but would you rather have good balancing, good specs for particular content, or would you rather consistently have your m+ experience fucked because they balance around raid lol.

[livid marsh]

the metric most people go by in ff14 is still rdps i think also they dont have to push an infinitely scaling endgame model, so all classes are viable in the end

[hard widget]

What you are asking is for everything to be flat out equal pretty much. Which is gonna be impossible as some classes just get better with higher keylevels and others dont

[covert void]

I don't see how you can perfectly balance for raid and m+ with them connected. They've shown that.

[hard widget]

What keylevels do you play bullyy?

[covert void]

12s atm, but i'd be higher if I actually got into keys.

[livid marsh]

you could, but you had to design the fights differently

[tulip swallow]

They overvalue raid balance, particularly in a raid where there's a stacking weekly buff that will make things free anyway

[chrome plover]

they'd have to pick a key level to balance at, say, 10 and then everyone doing 13s and 14s would still face the same issues

[covert void]

usually 3-3.2 k pug most seasons. no teams.

[chrome plover]

as now

[nocturne salmon]

raid is king. im happy they do lol

[hard widget]

U can see then how some classes are suddenly loads better than in a 10

[covert void]

but isnt that because of balancing? because of class design.

[hard widget]

Its because of class design

And if u want everything to be equal the game would be hella boring

[covert void]

In a nut shell, this season has shown the way they do it clearly doesn't work. We need new ideas, new solutions.

[hard widget]

Because there will be no class depth at all

[nocturne salmon]

flavour of the week/month is great tbh

[covert void]

it still shocks me they dont have like tweaks on the fly with the data they have.

[livid marsh]

class design implies a certain damage profile, the damage profile dictates the effectiveness of a specc in certain contents

[nocturne salmon]

tbh they do buff and nerf stuff very often

[covert void]

It's kinda boring sitting in dornogal applying for keys and not getting in them because they've ruined the hell out of my class.

till next week anyways.

[radiant plank]

"ruined"

[hard widget]

Thats just m+ mate

[nocturne salmon]

sometimes it makes sense. sometimes its like they gave a new player the controls lol

[covert void]

Yes? the main content I and most people do I'd argue.

[chrome plover]

that's just dps spec

[livid marsh]

all in all looking at tww so far they have balanced a lot, some good, some bad but you couldnt really say they "dont balance" at all, there have been a few shifts in the meta here and there

[chrome plover]

gaming

[nocturne salmon]

am i the only one who dont really lik m+?

[covert void]

well, not ruined, but the pug experience in keys is pretty abysmal as it stands, for pugs in and around 11-12's.

[chrome plover]

nothing to do with them ruining ur class

[hard widget]

Not really. U play withing a top idk % of players that blizzard doesnt tune for

[covert void]

4 nerfs in a row does that.

[brittle crow]

at an average wow token price of 300k how much gold is equal to 1 cent

?

[hard widget]

U just think everyone plays 12’a but reality is barely any people do

[nocturne salmon]

isnt the game tuned after the top % though

[chrome plover]

all 12s is what? 2800?

[nocturne salmon]

i mean. race to world first is proof of that isnt it

[chrome plover]

that's top 1%

[covert void]

Not sure where this conversation has headed really. Do you disagree that balancing is trash atm, and has been shown to be pretty bad this season, that the system is clearly not working well?

[tulip swallow]

12 isn't so high that it can't be tuned, they just choose not to

[livid marsh]

according to raider io, clearing all 12s puts you into the top 0.4%

[livid marsh]

actually, they did tune that

[covert void]

we need new ideas, a new way of doing it. Or simply a lot more investment in the balancing team. Quicker updates, using data better.

[hard widget]

I think its trash for a few classes, Rogue/DK/Shammy, the rest of the classes are quite fine

[covert void]

The broken classes?

no shit

[chrome plover]

i think pre-11.0.5 it was pretty good in the grand scheme of things

[covert void]

like..

[chrome plover]

just a couple of outliers

[nocturne salmon]

honestly it doesnt matter if things above 10 is tuned to hell. since 10 is literally the last key that really matters. the rest i just push for "fun" or pain up to you lol

[covert void]

It's good for them, but actively making the experience for the rest pretty bad.

hows that good?

[nocturne salmon]

i only have a few things id change with m+

[tulip swallow]

Like even if it isn't the reward ceiling, the affix change at 12 means it's within the "intended" level of keys for people to complete and it should be balanced around

[livid marsh]

what they need to do is, actually make classes be relevant across the board trough all key levels, in the end, there will always be a "meta" but all classes should be viable and bring in their own contribution

[hard widget]

Okay lemme ask this differently. When in the last 2 years was there a time where there was perfect balance and not 1 clear meta comp?

[nocturne salmon]

timer is just dumb imo. a dps check would make more sense to me

[covert void]

You, critcake and others were literally rerolling FDK, Mage and others. You can't sit and tell me the balancing is how it should be, that we don't need new ideas or blizzard don't need to take it far more seriouslyt.

[covert void]

thats my point though?

[livid marsh]

if you are a selfish dps class like fury warrior, being near the bottom of the dps pool, is not a good thing

[flat river]

At the start of this xpac

[hard widget]

Im playing mage because i want to get better as a player as a whole, mage isnt meta either

[flat river]

Then it went to shit

[hard widget]

True actually

[nocturne salmon]

its fine if you can clear 10s tho?

[covert void]

Oh yeh, you totally weren't unhappy with balancing at any point this season mate lol come on.

[nocturne salmon]

if i couldnt clear 10 because of class balance id be a bit concerned

[hard widget]

I’ve been very open about how i feel, but i also realise that im in a position where 99.9% of players arent. And blizzard aint gonna do shit because im unhappy about it

[covert void]

They should do something about it because many are unhappy about it. This isn't a new issue.

[livid marsh]

sounded quite differently yesterday mate

[hard widget]

How do you mean?

[covert void]

The way they';ve balanced the game for years is just flatout abysmal

[livid marsh]

according to you all casuals can clear 10s

[nocturne salmon]

that i dont agree with

[hard widget]

Bro this is so weird, this has nothing to do with what we talked about lmao

[flat river]

There was no meta comp season 2 dragonflight it was pure balance

[covert void]

You should not be forced to reroll into a meta spec to push higher content, to play the level you're at. That's not good game design.

[nocturne salmon]

i know many people who cant even clear 4s atm

[hard widget]

Till aug 🙂

[queen linden]

Some keys yeah lol.

[livid marsh]

it indirectly has something to do with it, since class balance affects who will get invited into higher keys

[lunar steeple]

dam why did they buff us we were in a perfect spot

[covert void]

Hey, I like the discussion though. I get it, not everyone wants to lose spec niches.

[nocturne salmon]

but its not impossible if you are a little more than a casual

[flat river]

I was being sarcastic :p

[vast sluice]

Bruh 🍼 it’s aight, every last one of your posts this morning go take a walk fam. We are going to be just fine.

[covert void]

But for me, blizzard has shown balancing doesn't work with these niches.

[covert void]

huh?

[hard widget]

This is giga BS, u can clear 10’s on every class easily if ur good enough to do em. I said this yday too, u just dont want to accept it

[livid marsh]

yeah you keep missing the point

[covert void]

Nice bait mate lol. Having a discussion = needing a walk.

[red berry]

i am of the opinion that exclusively tuning around raid is bad for the game either way

which is where a lot of these problems come from

[queen linden]

People just misunderstand their skill level and get upset when they can't do the same level content as other people.

[chrome plover]

they definitely dont exclusively tune around raid

[latent mason]

This is true

[nocturne salmon]

i think its the other way around tbh

its tuned around m+

[hard widget]

No i dont keep missing the point, u want to blame not getting invited into 10’s on the class which is just intrue

[red berry]

it’s not exclusively

[nocturne salmon]

just look at all the aoe added to the game

[chrome plover]

I dont think either is true

[nocturne salmon]

classic was tuned around raids

[red berry]

okay were that the case fury wouldn’t have been nerfed

[nocturne salmon]

and you can tell

[upbeat sentinel]

Groups are 1000% inviting based on meta though so

class does matter when applying to random groups

[chrome plover]

they always will

[nocturne salmon]

most classes were pretty much only good for st fight

[hard widget]

Not in 10’s

[covert void]

Of course they are.

[chrome plover]

nothing will ever change that

[tulip swallow]

Some niches are more equal than others. There are like 5 specs in the game that can reliably do spread cleave, and really only one that does spread aoe. 90% of specs are just "hit the things that are stacked together"

[upbeat sentinel]

Absolutely in 10s lmao, what are you talking about

[latent mason]

Some are, but mostly 12s or higher

[vast sluice]

You’re just complaining, it’s not even a discussion at this point. Like @hard widget said, blizzard does not care if we are unhappy about certain aspects of our class. No point in continuously crying about how unfair it is.

[nocturne salmon]

and now? Every class just blast through tons of enemies

heck even pvp is affected

[queen linden]

What would be great is if when you signed up for a key, you could see every other person that signed up for it. Then you'd understand why you don't get invited lol.

[hard widget]

I showed examples of this yday im on my phone now so cant show

[upbeat sentinel]

You can show examples that groups at +10 are not pursuing meta classes?

[chrome plover]

I get invited to 10s no problem on my warrior tbf, with 2500 score

[nocturne salmon]

now that affixes arent as bullshit you can get invited

[hard widget]

I can show you how i got 2.7k on a mage with low ilvl in 3 days without main score showing. And no mage is not meta

[chrome plover]

im sure my ilvl helps but im not declined based on class

[covert void]

Bit of a sweeping statement, maybe not as much but you definitely do get people at mid level keys going for the meta specs.

[nocturne salmon]

old affixes was the worst part of m+ imo

[iron portal]

I invite warriors to my keys even when they have blue m+ score

[latent mason]

I mean I’ve timed all 11s and 4 12’s with pugs, never ran my own key just queued for others

[iron portal]

Im doing my part

[covert void]

Far less than top keys though obviously.

[nocturne salmon]

many classes couldnt do anything to the affixes what so ever lol

[queen linden]

If meta mattered, then pug warriors wouldn't be getting to 2500. Which isn't the case.

[nocturne salmon]

like how is that a good design

[eternal sundial]

Having high ilvl helps to pug

[tulip swallow]

The mid expansion affix rework for dragonflight was cooked

[nocturne salmon]

im happier with the current ones more

[covert void]

The affix situation is also another example of bad balancing and class design. A niche leading to silly weeks (shaman poision totem a classic recent example).

[nocturne salmon]

now you get buffed for doing it aswell

[chrome plover]

then just be high ilvl

[nocturne salmon]

and from what i know everyone can do them now right?

[upbeat sentinel]

tbf theres still a little work needed on the "classes being able to interact with mechanics" end

[smoky vale]

[upbeat sentinel]

Doesn't priest still have no interrupt lol

[vapid tiger]

Go dragon to help with the affix!

[chrome plover]

healer priests

yes

[upbeat sentinel]

Does Shadow have one?

[nocturne salmon]

mass dispell works

[smoky vale]

why would you ever give priest a kick

XD

[nocturne salmon]

the scream works too

[chrome plover]

shadow have silence

[smoky vale]

legit just break the game for 0

[iron portal]

Shadow does have interupt for many years now

[chrome plover]

no

[nocturne salmon]

so you have at least 2 things

[chrome plover]

neither of these act as kicks

wdym

[smoky vale]

^

[nocturne salmon]

i meant for affixes lol

[upbeat sentinel]

yeah those are kicks in the same way that a stun is lol

[nocturne salmon]

the one we have now

sorry

[chrome plover]

oh yeah i think every class can do these affixes

i missed the start of that

actually hunter doesnt have a nice aoe stop

for them

but that's maybe the only one?

[hardy cargo]

hunter has

[smoky vale]

the aoe knockbsck?

[hardy cargo]

a knockback trap

[nocturne salmon]

implosion trap

[chrome plover]

ya that has like 3 yard range lmao

[upbeat sentinel]

i wasnt talking affixes specifically, more just "interacting with mechanics"

[nocturne salmon]

and another knockback

[chrome plover]

it will clear like 2-3 balls

[smoky vale]

oh well

[upbeat sentinel]

theres very few classes with no kick and they should get them

[nocturne salmon]

it can clear many tbh

maybe not all but quite a few

[queen linden]

Another day, another day with a person complaining they struggle with pugging end game content. A tale as old as time.

[chrome plover]

maybe i have an extra small trap on my hunter then

because it really barely does any for me

[smoky vale]

priest does not need a kick

[nocturne salmon]

it depends on the spawns too ofc

if the spawns are trash then it wont do anything lol

[chrome plover]

ive done 10 keys on it this week and it never did more than like 2-3

[hardy cargo]

how hard is the knockback frontal to run on hunter?

[upbeat sentinel]

It's in their class tree right

[livid marsh]

youre so fucking full of bs mate

[nocturne salmon]

its easy to get

[hardy cargo]

ya about 3/4 down

[hard widget]

Kekw

[chrome plover]

oh maybe i coulda been using bursting shot yeah

[nocturne salmon]

but the range is so small its like a melee auto lol

[chrome plover]

i havent tried it at all

[covert void]

I mean, it's been a decent discussion. We all know the balancing has been horrific this season.

[nocturne salmon]

so you basically need things to be in your face

[upbeat sentinel]

What's it called? Just gonna see if any of their meta specs go anywhere near it

[covert void]

How do they improve it?

[hardy cargo]

bursting shot

[inner shadow]

When people say blizzard doesn’t give a f about players
I wasn’t wrong
“Repeated or abusive appeals won't help your case. Appeals sent after a final review may be ignored.”
@warm crag i asked for the chat logs and more specifically which words got me etc. they sent me that text, that is all

[hard widget]

Mouretsu u keep coming at me, it starts to look as if ur doing it on purpose at this point

[hardy cargo]

if looking at a tree its below and to the left of intimidate on a choice node with scatter

or disorient I forget

[upbeat sentinel]

M+ builds for BM all use it, Marks uses it in EVERY SPEC including ST, Surv also uses it in every spec

[livid marsh]

because youre so high up on your fucking ass that you cant see a problem anyways im done with you dont talk to me

[nocturne salmon]

i think things look kinda alright atm all things concidered

[hard widget]

Lol

[smoky vale]

Xd

[nocturne salmon]

dont get me started on season 2 of dragon flight

[covert void]

What class / spec you are matters depending on current breakpoints of the season. Early in the season it was 9 into 10s. Right now it's 11 into 12's.

[nocturne salmon]

if you think its worse then that now

youre delusional

[hard widget]

I think i see the problem just fine, just dont think u want to realise that you are maybe the issue, and not the balancing 🙂

[hardy cargo]

speaking of lfg, does anyone know if its a bug or intended where if a grp declines/relists you cannot sign back up when they relist?

[hard widget]

And no need for insulting now ye?

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[warm crag]

I mean ngl you say unhinged shit very openly and you were kinda secretive abt what u got done in for I'm not thinking it's too far fetched you actually did smth reportable

[nocturne salmon]

i dont think we have ever seen something as bad as season 2 of dragon flight

[covert void]

While theres always examples of groups at any key level picking meta still, atm 10s isnt so bad class wise, it's probably more amount of dps applications you're fighting.

[chrome plover]

balance aint bad this season there's just like 2 specs that are too good

[nocturne salmon]

and i hope we never will

[eager thorn]

Ok so you’re talking to a 2731 io fury warrior and I’m telling you, you don’t really see the community problem til you’re up here king

[inner harbor]

lol

[warm crag]

Also it's p normal that blizz doesn't tell u exactly what did u in so u can't just avoid the exact wording that got u banned ye

[inner shadow]

I say unhinged things on places where i know i will not be compromised, and if I did, it wouldn’t matter

[hard widget]

OH this was gold haha

[smoky vale]

?

[inner harbor]

you lied to me the transmitter thing didn't work

[smoky vale]

you are going to get banned eventually

[covert void]

I think jev knows the issues. Been a bit opposite to my opinion today but he knows of the break points, he knows the grind no doubt.

[inner shadow]

Jt does, look at the stacks

[warm crag]

What Transmitter thing

[eager thorn]

Not really been reading convo but saw keys being takes abt and thought it would be funny xd

[covert void]

I somewhat agree as the season goes on the lower keys are less meta picked.

[livid marsh]

does he? doesnt seem like it since all he can attribute the issues to is call me a noob

[eager thorn]

Skill issue does exist

[nocturne salmon]

ofc it does

[inner harbor]

when u have to stand in a circle he told me you just have to step in and u can leave it'll activate on its own but that's not true

[frigid zealot]

We all know chat bans usually are derogatory or racial usually

[inner shadow]

Even if you do not type slurs or kill or other harsh things like? But ye ig imma just alt f4 every despicable key moment

[hard widget]

Ofcourse i know the issues, and different opinions is fine too as long as there still is respect ^^

[upbeat sentinel]

LFG is busted as fuck in general, shit just randomly delists constantly

[nocturne salmon]

im shit at the game and i know it

lol

[warm crag]

I don't think he said thaz

[upbeat sentinel]

I don't think blocking re-apps is intentional

[inner shadow]

@smoky vale cuz i added people who typed n words n slurs n shit to track whether ir not they get banned

[nocturne salmon]

[smoky vale]

you need to take a break

[covert void]

His point about 10s atm is reasonable. Not getting into 10s atm isn't as much spec dependent as 12's/13's etc. The breakpoints go higher as the season goes on.

[smoky vale]

like

[frigid zealot]

[inner shadow]

Oh trust me idm

I am on burn out rn anyways

[eager thorn]

[smoky vale]

you care enough to add them

[hardy cargo]

yeah it seems odd that I reload and groups that delisted I cant reapp to

[smoky vale]

thats not what that means

[iron portal]

Am I on your good list now?

[warm crag]

U can't say ur on burnout when u got a 3 week ban??

[frigid zealot]

Fury chat full of monke mode as always 🐵

[smoky vale]

Xd

[nocturne salmon]

cant have problem getting into groups if youre the group leader

[eager thorn]

LMFAO

[smoky vale]

always ❤️

[nocturne salmon]

[chrome plover]

wait someone got a 3 week ban for chatting in a key?

[warm crag]

Do you know yukitrip

[nocturne salmon]

check mate

[covert void]

Am I the only one that thinks its been decent lmao.

[hard widget]

I never called u a noob, and this is the 2nd time in an hour you lie about what im saying

[frigid zealot]

Our mage yeh

[smoky vale]

my favorite one is cope

hes a character

[warm crag]

Miss him so much

[rigid stirrup]

Yo shit is spicy this morning

[frigid zealot]

Hes a badass

[inner shadow]

I was, i was doing only mythic old raid farma for axe tmog n shit

[rigid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[inner harbor]

@warm crag

[livid marsh]

my point was that he stated that casuals get invited into 10s all the time, which simply isnt true and he cant admit that he misses the point

[inner shadow]

1 second is enough

[warm crag]

He's just saying that you can get 3 stacks of the buff and then start leaving the circle and you get the 4th and final stack that way

He is ass at communicating this

[inner shadow]

You get 1st stack insta, stand in it 1 second u get up to 3rd, charge u get 4th

[iron portal]

:/

[inner shadow]

You are what you eat

[dire vigil]

Class balance has a lot to do with performance in 12s and up, but it’s not going to affect your ability to time a 10

[inner harbor]

oh ok xD

[warm crag]

U should've seen Yukitrip dk sanctum

[covert void]

Hm, depends what we mean by casuals. 10s at this point in the season are doable by more casual players for sure (or what i take for casual?)

[hard widget]

I dont think this guy wants to understand @dire vigil

[warm crag]

Oly moly

Ask him for the korthia glider clip

[covert void]

True, actually.

Definitely agree with that

[frigid zealot]

I will ask immeditely

[inner shadow]

This is how i do it, or used to do it
@inner harbor
Place it, stand in it, get 3 stacks, move out behind it, charge into boss while going through it, you will have 4 stacks at boss

[hard widget]

He is twisting the words Bullyy dont even bother, once again i said “casual players can get invited if they are good enough to do them, and wont be held back by their class”

[livid marsh]

depends ofcourse, but i wouldnt say that the top 7.2% is a breakpoint that "casuals" can reach

[covert void]

The breakpoint is consistently moving though. we talking 10s now? at the start of the season?

[eternal sundial]

Seven point two percent questionmark

[livid marsh]

yeah it is moving because gear gets better across the board

[eternal sundial]

What does this mean

[hard widget]

I’ve had about enough of you trying to lie about what im saying, either come with actual quotes or stop putting words in my mouth. U have such a big problem with me apparently that ur twisting shit to make me look like the villain. Its pathetic

[inner shadow]

@warm crag i was in actual burn out, i kept going cuz i was missing like 2 m10s for 8 weekly and i was gonna leave til monday-tuesday for the raid myrhic run

[chrome plover]

Casuals are people who don’t even set foot in m+ and just collect hunter pets and look around the world

[lusty jungle]

Kinda have to agree with mouretsu ngl you don't get invites as a furr warrior for +10 because people read nerfed and follow meta even for a shitty +10

[inner shadow]

@warm crag but ngl idm rn, im ordering pieces for my new build, i will get busy w that on newer end games i couldn’t properly enjoy at 4K

[radiant plank]

molepeople

[covert void]

Can we all at least agree the balancing has been dog this season? we are the best class to know this right now surely.

[eternal sundial]

Bro i been goin fishing

Hoooly

[warm crag]

?

[eternal sundial]

No shaman alt take

[covert void]

ha

[eternal sundial]

Like in factorio

[chrome plover]

I have maxed fishing and the fishing Derby mount don’t @ me

[warm crag]

Real

How far did u get

[radiant plank]

🤝

[dire vigil]

I will say this, the pug experience has been pretty jarring this season because deaths matter so much, and lack of coordination will always lead to more deaths. But it’s not like it’s straight up impossible to pug high keys, but they will have a lower time rate than in DF. Could almost guarantee that.

[hard widget]

You get invited just the same as other dps classes. Because ur competing with people filling their weekly vault, and there is about a billion people signing

[warm crag]

I got all the fulgora research done and my life is irrecoverably changed from the Mech suit

[eternal sundial]

We have almost settled Drama and are bound to visit vulcanus soon

[livid marsh]

pug experience is jarring but for some reason my skill issue is to blame that i cant find groups properly

[warm crag]

I just landed on vulcanus

[lusty jungle]

No you do not bro

[inner shadow]

I MISS when you could fish in raid in front of boss while raid leader would yap about tactics in a mythic raid :ke

[warm crag]

Shit show lmao love that planet

[eternal canopy]

if youre not getting invited to 10s its not your class, its your io or ilvl or both

[eternal sundial]

Maybe our ordering is whack

We wanna do Red cuz cliff exolosives

Basically

[warm crag]

Vulcanus first is giga valid

U get insane industry prod

[chrome plover]

Jev is giga right when I list a 10 with tank/heal in group I get ten billion 2400-2600 dps with 622-628 ilvl and they are literally all the same

[nocturne salmon]

people being 520 ilvl trying to get into 6 keys be like

[lusty jungle]

Im 630 ilvl with 2.7 io, I had to go prot to get io score because there is no way I would get invites as fury lmao

[iron portal]

This tbh

[chrome plover]

I ain’t picking based on class man

[covert void]

I would like to add I didn't get in a few 10s yesterday, after timing 12s. Thought that was funny.

just wanted to fill vault lmao

[inner shadow]

Im 629 with 2k5, did multiple 12s i’m missing rio cuz i havent done cot and gb over 8
I still get declined to a 10 which i COMPLETED in a 12 :))

[livid marsh]

and who do you invite in the end?

[covert void]

This season has been very scuffed for a fair few reasons.

[lusty jungle]

People want fdk ele and not fury warriors because they read into meta

[chrome plover]

the one random 633 3k io guy :)

[inner harbor]

10s leaders don't know how to read a io profil

[smoky vale]

good players

[dire vigil]

Ban tier lists

[livid marsh]

right and let me guess most often its not a fury warrior

[inner shadow]

You’re part of the problem

[eternal canopy]

prolly just see 2.5k and decline

[inner shadow]

Itms a fucking 10 key

[covert void]

There is an element of truth in this even at lower / mid keys. There's always some that take meta. But the % definitely drops the lower you go, over the course of the season.

[inner shadow]

Why do you care about meta?

[eternal canopy]

cant assume they even have rio app

[chrome plover]

if it was then I’d invite them yes

[frigid zealot]

I fucking hateeee

Gleba

Fucking spoilageeee

[inner shadow]

It is unbelievable to me how much people care about meta sub 10

[lusty jungle]

How am I part of the problem I am literally a fury warrior lmao

[frigid zealot]

[hard widget]

People dont want to understand this, because they think they are the only ones having a difficult time

[covert void]

This does happen lol yes.

[livid marsh]

if thats all you would have to choose from that is, but the reality is still, fury would be towards the bottom of priority

[lusty jungle]

I literally said even for a shitty +10 u goofin

[inner shadow]

Eh idk mb

Hater got over me mb G

[coral jewel]

do we put loot prio arms for 2H wep chance?

[iron portal]

There are many layers to M+ invites issues

[nocturne salmon]

controversial take: Fury is A tier in m+

[inner shadow]

Yes

[chilly fractal]

Never be loot spec fury

[chrome plover]

I just said that, yes, it’s usually just one person that stands out, if it’s a fury warrior I wouldn’t prioritise one of the plebs over him

[iron portal]

Moment you have tank and heal, you get 30+ dps to choose from

[inner shadow]

It definitely is, it isn’t just S TIER

[coral jewel]

aight good had it already on arms but just wanted to confirm

[lusty jungle]

It doesnt matter tho next reset we buffed and everyone will start inviting fury warriors because we back

[zealous geyser]

yea i got a 1 hander in my vault it wasnt fun times

[chrome plover]

if it’s a stone vault/gb then 20-30 if it’s a mists 100+

[nocturne salmon]

thane fury is great

[warm crag]

But 50% prod on chips and qual3 is nuts

[inner shadow]

s tier supposed to have 1-2 specs, unfortunately there are like 25 there

[nocturne salmon]

id only put 4 up there atm

[chilly fractal]

There are more items on the Fury Loot table compared to Arms and you want not a single one of those 1 handers

[chrome plover]

Wrong

[eternal sundial]

S=b bro

Fury mindset

[nocturne salmon]

Fdk, Aug, Ele, FM

[inner shadow]

Elaborate?

[inner shadow]

Frost mage?

[nocturne salmon]

thats my s tier right there

yes frost mage

[inner shadow]

Huh?

[nocturne salmon]

its sleeper

[chrome plover]

how has enhance dodged that list

[hard widget]

That list is not correct

[chilly fractal]

So every key has to have those 4

[inner shadow]

Mate you doing like 4s or something

Tf y mean frost mage

[hard widget]

Enha > Ele (especially next week), Mage is not good enough. Aug is debateable, FDK is okay. Assa is the outlier

[inner shadow]

FDK, ROGUE ELE/ENH, AM,

LIKE

[nocturne salmon]

no rogue is s

[inner shadow]

HAHAHAHA

[livid marsh]

just look up the class pop on rio

[chrome plover]

there are less than 25 specs in the S tier

[livid marsh]

you will see the big trend there

[upbeat sentinel]

One of our raiders got a 2 week timeout for saying fuck 🙂

[hard widget]

Assasination Rogue is the highest performing class in the game for m+ pretty much

[upbeat sentinel]

We now have to kick him before we list for PUGs lmao

[inner shadow]

Fucking rogue pops 2.5mil overall

[nocturne salmon]

popular =/= best

[inner shadow]

And man said no rogue is s tier

? Are you r-ded?

[covert void]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/mythic-plus/10/all-dungeons/this-week

good site btw

[frigid zealot]

People I have played with have say way worse snd never got bans

[covert void]

ROGUE DOH

[hard widget]

Trust me it is the best or similar to Enha currently

[frigid zealot]

Depends if you get reported I guess

[upbeat sentinel]

The system is automated so if they get enough reports they will get muted

[chrome plover]

this guy is wondering why he got banned btw

🤦‍♂️

[inner shadow]

Oh i dont type it in wow

[hard widget]

This is bad as it shows outlaw rogues bug abusing in S tier

[inner shadow]

Just discord

[chrome plover]

i believe you

[chilly fractal]

Archon tier rankings are based on representation and nothing else no?

[iron portal]

You can get banned on discord too lol

[covert void]

Yes, but take that out. Generally week to week its a great way of seeing. Obviously the rogue bug is a rare outlier.

[inner shadow]

Razonko

I got like 4 alts on this bitch

[upbeat sentinel]

It's really really hard to do

[nocturne salmon]

pretty much

[upbeat sentinel]

Discord mostly just wants admins of the server to handle shit

[livid marsh]

i would say, looking at popular speccs in keys 12 and up is a quite the good indicator on whats best, since people that play on that level usually try to do it with specs that perform better

[inner shadow]

Most fury chatter got banned on here too dw

[junior ginkgo]

they're based on raider.io info and logs

[iron portal]

All righty then

[eternal sundial]

Again, bannable

[oblique trail]

Most in fact do not get banned

[chrome plover]

i still miss him

so much

[eternal sundial]

Never been banned

[upbeat sentinel]

I only have 1 ban and it's from 16 years ago so

[eternal sundial]

Rip Soda

[inner shadow]

lolxd did and he cool cool

[upbeat sentinel]

I can forgive my 13 year old self for calling someone a dumb bitch ingame

[chrome plover]

I meant roidstack

[inner shadow]

We’re on discord we talking

[oblique trail]

Yes

[eternal sundial]

Sosa better

[inner shadow]

Lads we’re talkin ab discord

Not wow

[oblique trail]

Most in fact do not get banned

[radiant plank]

Miss roidstack

and his chikens

[hardy cargo]

I often go to neltharus to reminice....

[eternal sundial]

@oblique trail can u.. Yknow

🔇

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-all-those-chickens-gif-20113673

[oblique trail]

I can not permanently expire someone

[iron portal]

I saw many people get banned in 8 years of skyhold.
I still have some screenshots from those moments too

[hard widget]

Expire kekw

[eternal sundial]

[inner shadow]

Ikr

[upbeat sentinel]

Banned from Discord completely or just from THIS discord?

[inner shadow]

Bro said most do not like

[inner shadow]

This

[covert void]

This discord feels pretty lenient (i prefer that). Although just a random take.

[inner shadow]

It is

[hardy cargo]

ive been here for 5 years now and havent been around to actually watch someone get banned in real time

[iron portal]

This discord , idc about app

[oblique trail]

It genuinely takes a lot to get banned from Skyhold

[inner shadow]

Lenme give you a huge take on videogames and chat

[upbeat sentinel]

In one of my other ones someone started posting screenshots of their guns and threatening to find and kill other members of the discord and Discord staff did nothing after it was reported lmao

[eternal sundial]

Depends

[upbeat sentinel]

Im p sure its impossible to get account banned on here

[inner shadow]

NA is so much more toxic yet strict on language than EU

[upbeat sentinel]

unless ur grooming

[covert void]

I mean we play warrior ffs. This place should be exactly as it is.

[eternal sundial]

Ive had a guy attempt to type out a slur at a friend

[covert void]

It's shaped us all

[eternal sundial]

Got stopped at the first g

[inner shadow]

Or part of a pc discord server

[eternal sundial]

[chilly fractal]

I feel like I’ve seen someone try going off on Archi before I think got banned…. Or… I made all that up in my head and honestly forget if I saw that or not and have no clue

[eager thorn]

If you say you’re underage and get reported ur acc gets banned within 1h

[upbeat sentinel]

ya that too

[eager thorn]

And you have to show discord irl id to get unbanned

[radiant plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468099222424518656/1004846604068602007/caption.gif

[upbeat sentinel]

threatening to murder people? thats fine

[inner shadow]

As bizzy spoke about it before, for n word for exp, nobody gives a f about it in the EU, NA they die lose their mind over it if someone says it

[covert void]

I mean yeh thats a ticket to been banned lul, even then I think he and other prominent people here have a hell of a lot of patience.

[upbeat sentinel]

SAY UR 13? U ARE GONE

[eternal canopy]

ngl this sounds like giga cap lol

[eternal sundial]

BANNED

[inner shadow]

Wdym giga cap? My io score or ilvl or what?

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-scratching-nuts-gif-6429140231519519993

[smoky vale]

[covert void]

No it's true. Happened to me yesterday. Applied to a bunch of 10s just to fill vault (timed 12s) and got rejected by some lul.

It's whatever

[eternal canopy]

that scenario 2.5 with multiple 12s

[eager thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-scratching-nuts-gif-6429140231519519993

[covert void]

but it does happen

[eternal sundial]

@smoky vale i forgor to tell u i was streaming yday

Xdd

[smoky vale]

you hate me fr

[eternal sundial]

I was raiding

[radiant plank]

I saw u stream philliam

I was watching it before bed

U played well

[eternal sundial]

Incredible playlist

[smoky vale]

its okay i was only losing my mind olayyng aug for 4 hours straight

[eternal sundial]

I wish

[smoky vale]

i think i did like 10 keys in a row