already got a good explanation from the bois higher up
#fury
opal sapphire
odd star
i mean RA has the blessing of actually being a 1-2-3 spec
opal sapphire
@crude ridge srry for the tag, did u test with deep toxins yet?
opal sapphire
interesting. i might have simmed wrong then
it was a 3k gain on one weapon for my sims
ruby eagle
how is mine looking?
Casts:
CB: 82
Rampage: 82
BloodBath: 60
Execute: 32
RB: 34
BT: 23
gloomy olive
Was up fellas , what’s the move ? Thane or slayer ? Coming back to the game
ruby eagle
patchwork 5min
odd star
Was up fellas , what’s the move ? Thane or slayer ? Coming back to the game
ok wait a few more days to come back to the game
odd star
gloomy olive
Stopped playing due to work
opal sapphire
patchwork 5min
i did a quicksim with target dummy 5 mins and then did it myself on a dummy for 5 mins
according to my sim and result, you need to click rampage some more
odd star
Stopped playing due to work
i'll save you the hard work of reading updates
Comparatively speaking,
Single target is Arms Slayer >> Fury Slayer > Arms Colossus > Fury Thane
Raw multitarget is Fury Thane >> Arms Colossus > Fury Slayer ~= Arms Slayer
odd star
crude ridge
i did a quicksim with target dummy 5 mins and then did it myself on a dummy for ...
trying to match your sim on a dummy is never really ideal as you can't always really match it
hardy cargo
this is what mine looked like, yours probably looks a lil different if you are playing opportunist instead of fierce followthrough
ruby eagle
I have biiiigggg haste also. i got the neck from sickran so i have massive haste
hardy cargo
twinsies 
hardy cargo
35%/19540 unbuffed 
tardy trench
this is what mine looked like, yours probably looks a lil different if you are p...
most of the time I have rampage at top, is it normal or it should be like yours
opal sapphire
but sims say i cant get any upgrades from hero track dungeons anymore
so i didnt bother
hardy cargo
most of the time I have rampage at top, is it normal or it should be like yours
cb should normally beat out ramp, but its pretty close do you play opportunist or fierce followthrough?
ruby eagle
im haste 33% 18580 unbuffed
hardy cargo
this choice node
celest sierra
is AM thane any good for keys rn?
hardy cargo
am thane owns, very fun too 
tardy trench
this choice node
oppurtunist
hardy cargo
oppurtunist
then yeah cb should be ahead
crude ridge
is AM thane any good for keys rn?
it's good it just throws your CD off a bit so can take some getting used to
celest sierra
word is there any different talent nodes i should be taking tho?
hardy cargo
whats talents build are u using?
CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAgRDMGMMMDWGYWghZwMzDMMzssNzYmZWwMzMzwMzsM8AYGDAAAEGDsBLbGNmBkZBWmxC only thing is so insta enrage right after charge
no insta enrage*
summer quail
too low ilvl xan
young swan
apparently
hardy cargo
getting declined from 5s
nothing new for you blue man.....
young swan
doesnt even matter
hardy cargo
sorry that was toxic
tardy trench
then yeah cb should be ahead
hmm so I'm doing something wrong, thanks
ruby eagle
getting declined from 5s
just roll prot like i did. fury in raid and prot in keys
young swan
just roll prot like i did. fury in raid and prot in keys
im playing ele and i am 579 ilvl
covert blaze
getting declined from 5s
washed 
hardy cargo
hmm so I'm doing something wrong, thanks
you probably arent very far off, just make sure you get all of your CB/BBS in between ramps, and youre good, hell even in the SS i linked I think I wsa off by 1 or 2 on each ability
crude ridge
why are you playing ele?
hardy cargo
why are you playing ele?
hes a traitor conformist
ruby eagle
no wonder you are getting declined if you are 579 @young swan
ruby eagle
they dont know that, they see the ilvl and insta decline
young swan
https://tenor.com/view/peach-belly-peach-and-goma-belly-cat-belly-peach-and-goma...
inv
im also 1700 io
ruby eagle
for a 5 key i would not take any1 under 605 ilvl
sudden tusk
im going to bed i can maybe late night rat you monday after raid
sudden tusk
im 10-2
young swan
cause we got our thursday night raid yoinked
sudden tusk
we cancelled our tuesday becuase shaman healing didnt fucking work
young swan
yeha thats good shit right
we cancelled cause court bugged
woo +5 sv
we're so back
praying for first boss neck
need mastery so bad
hardy cargo
gl gamer
but isnt mastery going back to useless next week? I dunno if this was random coping I heard thru the grapevine or not
sudden tusk
mastery is still good from what i heard
class should still be pretty good, i dont think they needed their ST hit so hard, but who knows when the knee jerk will back down
hardy cargo
its kinda just gonna be fury warr until thane buffs
sudden tusk
not in the slightest
hardy cargo
0dam outside of cds
young swan
its already kind of like that unless u get lucky
if you get sick tempest procs u can kinda pop off
if you get a DRE proc u pop off
otherwise u kinda mid
hardy cargo
im having a ton of fun on frost mage rn
if lucky u can just kinda spam frozen orb
and its actually worth to shatter combo every glacial spike now
though the pure st build is omegacringe
hardy cargo
u dont cast fingers of frost ice lances at all and you just spam frost bolt perma LOL
covert blaze
I hate frost
young swan
but isnt mastery going back to useless next week? I dunno if this was random cop...
still best stat just not fucking insane
apparently
my source is very reliable
hardy cargo
not bad
I have a source I couldve asked to verify, but I just didnt care enough over making fun of him for it instead
summer quail
but isnt mastery going back to useless next week? I dunno if this was random cop...
for a second i thought you were talking about fury and was very confused
hardy cargo
I think if fury wasnt mastery anymore id cry bc thatd be about 30k in recrafts and socketing new rings xdd
opal sapphire
recrafting gear alone would be almost 100k
i just recrafted 2 pieces and it cost me pmuch 40k
its fkn nuts tbh
if u dont boost or super efficient with proffessions you're just poor af and forced to buy tokens or chinagold
while being a raider/m+er that is
hardy cargo
I do boost but ive just been lazy... and lost a little too much gamba in raid
opal sapphire
i boost 1 hc vip and 1 nm vip a week
its like 300k ish
sometimes more sometimes less
i do on mage tho
hardy cargo
I have some homies I used to do raid sales on all the time but I havent recently perhaps I sign up tomorrow
opal sapphire
ye but the economy is legit crazy atm
and the wow gold u gain from doing objectives etc etc is just piss low
its almost as if they want u to buy a token
blasphemy
gaunt moat
i boost 1 hc vip and 1 nm vip a week
Ppl pay for nm??
gaunt moat
Damn
gaunt moat
Do you have a discord you can send me in dm? I just do hm boosts with guildies i could take nm gold aswell ngl
opal sapphire
ye sure
nocturne salmon
man windows sure love to piss me off lol
middle of doing stuff in game i apparently toggled something called filtered keys making my entire keyboard useless
every press on the keyboard did a beep instead of doing something
pale sable
@nocturne salmon spam left shift, it will open the keyboard advance filter settings, disable all the annoying stuff there
young swan
granted
hardy cargo
That is balanced we should leave that how it is
young swan
it was a 5
but still
actually ridiculous
think i peaked 6mil on a pack lmfao
just so absurd
doing comparable overall damage to my idiot warrior
could prob do the same shit in 10s
with 20 more ilvl
5 arakara time
lfg
clever path
All im seeing is kill ele shaman like they did us kek
young swan
they like
lowkey did
20% aoe nerf is so much lmfao
they also fixed asdencence bug
clever path
And yet it’s still busted? Sounds like a job for warrior dev
clever path
I’m also joking. Blizzard tends to over correct and swing back and forth instead of making changes and seeing how they turn out for a bit
young swan
oh ofc they do
clever path
It’s honestly kind of crazy how bad they are at determining the issues. Even when they have so many players telling them what it is
young swan
pretty wacky isnt it
clever path
Its the same old blizzard style of “we know what’s best shut up you idiots” that ion used to preach
buoyant salmon
a 20% nerf is fucking INSANE
blizzard doesnt just nerf specs by 20% lol thats pretty fucking rare
(last one i remember was enhance shaman 25%)
clever path
Nerfs never feel good.
I am glad warriors are getting some love. We have been in dire need of single target damage
burnt kelp
We'd rather you didn't play demonology
what was the blanket demonology nerf
20 or 25%?
clever path
It felt like they were just gonna keep nerfing us because we were good at add killing. How about don’t make fights have constant add spawns that we can nuke and it won’t be an issue lol
Glad I was wrong on that
summer quail
what was the blanket demonology nerf
25 iirc
summer quail
It felt like they were just gonna keep nerfing us because we were good at add ki...
i also thought the same and was expecting the tiniest compensation buff next week. but our actual buff is quite nice, feels good to be wrong
clever path
i also thought the same and was expecting the tiniest compensation buff next wee...
Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised when my friend sent me the buffs and was like “you get to be a real spec again!”
static rock
Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised when my friend sent me the buffs and was like...
Honestly very happy that both arms and fury got some attention, since arms got so many damn strays from just sharing the same hero talents with fury
wicked glade
Moah this input delay ingame is so heavy need really to find a fix it destroys Fury for me
summer quail
Frenzied enrage is good with RA
frenzied st, powerful aoe
neon ice
ty
ivory topaz
do you guys use action targetting?
young swan
dont even know what that is
ivory topaz
well it kinda helps you to target the mob thats infront of ya
young swan
oh
yeah i dont use that
generally I pre-select a prio target
before the pack is pulled
static rock
anyone have any idea what our rotation changes will be after reset?
hearty geyser
Hey. Do you guys play with anger managment?
young swan
Hey. Do you guys play with anger managment?
I play AM thane in m+
at least i have been this week
hearty geyser
I play AM thane in m+
Me to
young swan
but other than that i pretty much only use it for mythic ovinax
might experiment with it on silken court during farm
south kayak
reap the storm woooo
summer quail
more BT focused
finally, rb sucks
hallow sphinx
colossus arms silken court
median dust
My warrior on Tuesday after buffs.
glass kelp
my son is right next to me..
median dust
Hey. Do you guys play with anger managment?
AM THane in M+ feels the best to me atm.
wicked glade
My warrior on Tuesday after buffs.
And then 2 days later when the nerf is coming again
opal sapphire
stay positive
grim prism
celest sierra
Okay AM Thane fun af with spear and ravenger
young swan
https://tenor.com/view/wow-tbc-fury-warrior-dont-gif-24721432
fuck that is a banger
south kayak
Goth girls are my weakness
worthy mountain
I’d go to war for her
lone sage
lone sage
A better one for you lads
hearty geyser
11 stonevault
south kayak
what the fdk and boomkin doing
hearty geyser
what the fdk and boomkin doing
idk 2800 rio 😄
willow cradle
what the fdk and boomkin doing
their best okay
lone sage
I’d go to war for her
radiant plank
Jadenyah
south kayak
Me neither 
south kayak
oh uh
lone sage
Oh well
broken kindle
are we going as thane fury AM or RA? AM feels so much better since BT/RB got buffed?
clever path
11 stonevault
No OF ?
hearty geyser
no
clever path
You take the talents below AM ?
hearty geyser
i think this is better for me
eager thorn
No OF ?
Odyns is p dead after the target cap changes
And vc gives a nice amount of prio damage
clever path
i think this is better for me
can you show the full build you were using please?
hearty geyser
clever path
thanks
summer quail
Honestly think 2nd point deft is better than bloodborne
hearty geyser
Bloodborne give me extra 29ml damage w roar and extra 20ml Gushing wound. I dont think, what 1% of mastery give me better boost
ornate gust
So you send Reck on cd?
hearty geyser
every pull
summer quail
Bloodborne give me extra 29ml damage w roar and extra 20ml Gushing wound. I dont...
1% mastery is basically 1% damage. Tiny bit less coz of autos. How much damage did you do in total?
clever path
Odyns is p dead after the target cap changes
Sadge, was such a cool thing to have every pack ; roar is still a thing tho ?
eager thorn
Ye roar is fine
tidal kindle
1% mastery is basically 1% damage. Tiny bit less coz of autos. How much damage d...
Autos/trinket/wep ench
eternal sundial
Warrior math
tidal kindle
- additive nature of mastery
summer quail
<:um:1229962565443125329>
I might have warrior brained a bit too hard
tidal kindle
1% mastery is often like .8% damage
(Assuming you're hovering around 40-45% mastery)
Still really good value
But there's definitely a point where you'll want to start indexing into verse
errant vessel
approx 0.69% dmg increase on 45% mastery (funny number)
summer quail
Still think it's more worth than bloodborne if no odyns. Tho on phone so can't sim
last pier
Im actually finding a ton of value out of crit atm, almost equal to mastery @ 21% and 40% tho vers has ofc defensive benefits u gotta weigh urself
was shocked to see how much my sims are valuing crit pieces rn
last pier
30% leech surely
last pier
remix
tidal kindle
Speed is insane this season in terms of dps gain/survivability
When you have fights like rash/broodtwister/kyveza/court and the design of over half the dungeon pool
last pier
I have been running no ff this season and no speed on any chants or anything just solid 100% and im getting close to cracking. Game feels like its slow motion
tidal kindle
rigid kestrel
So with the new buffs coming in, does it "balance" out the target cap nerf for M+?
tender seal
Anyone have sims that i can mess around with for builds for next week ? Like strings where the buffs are applied
tidal kindle
That gives you +8%
I also took boots/cape speed ench cuz avoidance scaling got cratered
We zoomin
tender seal
Get elusive blasphemite gem
My sim dont even want me to use 4x different gems
last pier
ok u convince me i forgot about avoid scaling
tidal kindle
So with the new buffs coming in, does it "balance" out the target cap nerf for M...
Yes-ish
Gives a more sustained profile so you're not xdd bursting in 3 gcds and slightly changes how you will play (more info soon.tm) since a greater % of your damage now is in reap procs/class abilities instead of OF/BS/Roar
tidal kindle
My sim dont even want me to use 4x different gems <:sadge:820202363359854633>
You can force it
tidal kindle
O nooo, -5k simdps from forcing multicolor + speed gem
+10% move speed
I'm also mega speedpilled though
tidal kindle
The way I see it is 10% ms will save you more than 5k more patchwerk dps
And some of that speed will convert to better uptime as well
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rigid kestrel
Yes-ish
Gives a more sustained profile so you're not xdd bursting in 3 gcds and ...
Actaully sounds like a good change ngl
clever belfry
Yes-ish
Gives a more sustained profile so you're not xdd bursting in 3 gcds and ...
but i wanna OF
explode
kaboom
last pier
Fuck it we go fast footwork too 118% movespeed atm im fast as fuck
clever belfry
i despise reap casino
tidal kindle
OH YAH
That's the other thing I run
clever belfry
even with the 67% chance on 5t
tidal kindle
Bro imagine giving up FF
last pier
i was so fat and slow now im basically cat form
tender seal
Bro imagine giving up FF
i run FF in 100% of all talentsetups
tidal kindle
even with the 67% chance on 5t
If I didn't know OF target cap also split the dot
I'd be bing chilling
But I do know that
Therefore reap casino >>>> OF
last pier
LALALLALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU
last pier
capping anything that a warrior has is cringe (cap everyone else tho)
tidal kindle
Capping is fine if we didn't at our cap count vs uncapped champions
5T pull, fury loses to
2t pull arms loses to
fdk/lock/boomie/mage
5 second pull though
Fury 📈
tender seal
why is speed enchatn for wrists 1090 speed, but speed enchant for cloak is only 250 and more HS cd lol... leech on cloak is 1020..
white rampart
anyone know how to get rid of this huge yellow debuff icon on the left side of plater?
trail bane
why is speed enchatn for wrists 1090 speed, but speed enchant for cloak is only ...
The people who were in charge of designing cloak/wrist/boots enchants this season are the same people who have been in charge of balance
crude gate
gang i got a 639 weap but sim says to put it in offhand - does my crafted embellishment not work in offhand?
trail bane
Rank 3 boots speed enchants are the same value as rank 3 boots speed enchants from dragon flight (250 speed, which is nothing).
Rank 3 boots stamina enchants give 890 stamina which is less than 1% hp increase
trail bane
gang i got a 639 weap but sim says to put it in offhand - does my crafted embell...
Embellishments work in both hands.
Do you have the same enchant on both weapons? If so then the recommendation to put it in off-hand is purely due to random chance
Also, can you link the sim?
tribal flint
coral swift
so with these upcoming changes what builds ya'll think gonna be best? spear? odyn's fury? anger management etc
clever path
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efzdHs4Bw1wxXSSTusbpYn
use top gear for stuff like that, you can add items top left of the page https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tvXTzyP1yTS396Q63t3yGX
trail bane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efzdHs4Bw1wxXSSTusbpYn
You put radiant power on your 639, thats why its in the off-hand
tender seal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efzdHs4Bw1wxXSSTusbpYn
you are simming ST with AOE build btw - dno if it was intentional
clever belfry
fury st build is surely relevant sim target
tender seal
What i mean is, he is simming 1 target 5mins, with improved whirlwind
tender seal
I dont think he is doing keys on the level where ST dam over 5mins on bosses matter
I mean.. sure. I get it. Sim for your best singletarget damage in aoe talents, and then the aoe part is just whatever
crude gate
you are simming ST with AOE build btw - dno if it was intentional
yea doesnt make a big diff and wanna know the change for m+
crude gate
You put radiant power on your 639, thats why its in the off-hand
oh yea i didnt do both encahtns derp
eternal lance
trail bane
Cant wait for next week
crude gate
Cant wait for next week
not sure itll be any different next week
snow edge
It'll be a bit better, but tbh the big issue is that there's a lot of DPS applying for every key; most of the time there's someone with better io / gear / a fotm class
It's just the way it goes
somber elk
Cant wait for next week
nothing will change next week
snow edge
My Pally is the same, slightly higher io and still struggles get into keys (arguably a more favourable spec atm than warrior)
ivory topaz
is there a macro where i can put whirlwind when thunderclap on cd as a filler?
night relic
Cant wait for next week
This ain’t changing little man
trail bane
im a big boi
flat river
analog quail
hard widget
Lol
analog quail
We need to find this guy
short crypt
Based
analog quail
Btw the guy was resto druid
ornate gust
This is not for real
exotic turtle
So with new buffs, will ability prio change at all?
silk wasp
do you guys play slayer or thane in M+?
exotic turtle
Thane for me, less bursty but more dps each pack
iron portal
Well that depends on lovel of key
exotic turtle
I’ve found with slayer I tend to over aggro a lot and get one shot too, I know I should wait but that’s not in my nature 🤣
I’m fury pew pew
polar roost
#soloqueue m+
wicked glade
I love Fury Warrior the Aesthetic is so great and now after the dooming is gone its always a pleasure to look into this channel xD
graceful ruin
dooming will return when we get nerfed in one week
also i'm surprised ret paladin isnt considered the meta in m+. they seem to do such ridiculous amounts of aoe it's insane
every pack they burst for a trillion dmg lol
graceful ruin
yeah it's entirely ridiculous lol
fading bane
30 sec cds
graceful ruin
and i'm sure it's cause i suck but i played some ass in like a 6 and got beat by a ret 10 ilvls below lmao
graceful ruin
but also at that key level the mobs literally died like 2 sec after i got my setup out
fading bane
helps
graceful ruin
so w/e
forest owl
i had a ex guild leader invite a guy to one of our raids one day that queued, only to tell him how his logs sucked and then removed him 
trail bane
i had a ex guild leader invite a guy to one of our raids one day that queued, on...
sounds like a really fun cool guy that absolutely should be encouraged continue his in no way problematic behaviour
verbal rivet
i had a ex guild leader invite a guy to one of our raids one day that queued, on...
Average AotC raid lead
That parses a 19
“Calls are why I’m doing bad”
fallen ginkgo
no.
graceful rapids
Is this d3 season 300
inner shadow
this is a fucking arcane mage
with spymassters
he fucking hit 32mil crit
and multiple 10s
like?
golden hare
🤯
inner shadow
these are numbers no war ever gon see
inner shadow
our whole opener doesn't go to fucking 30 mil 
trail bane
Mandate doesnt exist
inner shadow
neither have i
fast mural
fatality moment
fading bane
depends on the boss
but generally when its ready
cus you will use on use on pull with cds
mystic umbra
anybody cooked something good for single minded fury?
trail bane
what about treacherous then?
If you have Transmitter and Mandate you use Transmitter with cds
For example Transmitter before pull and then Mandate 30 sec later. And then you just keep doing it like that
Transmitter with cds, Mandate whenever else
shrewd drum
does avatar from Avatar of the Storm cast odyn's fury too?
fading bane
that delve trinket is horrible
it sims ok
i dont remember exactly
but its some cringe positional condition
urban hinge
Can someone tell me to give me rough estimate you need of haste as a fury
i am not 80 yet. so i planning to enchant my herlooms so thats why i ask
polar narwhal
does avatar from Avatar of the Storm cast odyn's fury too?
No
tardy lark
Can someone tell me to give me rough estimate you need of haste as a fury
There are no real breakpoints to follow anymore, but haste makes things feel good
urban hinge
Ty Aagaard
tender seal
O nooo, -5k simdps from forcing multicolor + speed gem
122% movespeed when enraged 🏃♂️
I miss the haste enchant that gave movespeed as well - always turbo zooming on pull
river viper
its just the headless horseman but WTF?!
eternal sundial
scaling is weird on it
inner shadow
Huh
hardy cargo
floral dove
its just the headless horseman but WTF?!
keen pelican
Is it glyph on fury weapons that make it look like there spinning please?
eternal sundial
its the ravager spell
keen pelican
No I’m watching this dude on twitch he’s doing it for the whole key mate
flat sapphire
No I’m watching this dude on twitch he’s doing it for the whole key mate
who's stream
exotic turtle
Yo when did champions spear change? lol
hardy cargo
it changed from spear of bastion awhile ago but I think it was pretty recently they fucked with the icon again
like a this last reset or the one before iirc
exotic turtle
Yeah it’s like browny red haha, weird
blazing narwhal
Yeah they changed a lot of shadowlands icons to fit the current theme of the game since most of those icons were themed around shadowlands.
winter fossil
Are blizzard devs drunk or something? Cause as I saw we r getting buffed next reset?
calm quartz
winter fossil
😂😂😂
winter fossil
Bloodbath takes prio over raging blow tho right?
Yes
rotund fiber
Do we have info about AM vs RA next reset? i suppose RA still on top but kinda curious
gaunt sonnet
what are the best long term stats to put on crafts?
keen hedge
what are the best long term stats to put on crafts?
Did haste/versa on wrist. Can use it both on fury and prot.
wheat estuary
fading bane
yes
modern epoch
hey guys quick question should i recraft wrist to 636 or just upgrade my gear with the gilded crests?
trim hound
Most likely better to upgrade with crests, we craft wrists specifically because they have low stats and are low prio to upgrade. But in the end it depends. (Sim it)
manic pelican
fast mural
just be lvl 30 and carry
hardy cargo
Do we have info about AM vs RA next reset? i suppose RA still on top but kinda c...
they should stay roughly =
nothing that affects AM doesnt affect RA when I looked at changes
turbid spruce
Someone did the sims to find the actual difference between SMF and TitansGrip? I'm prot main and have myth one hand
And only one hero two hand
rotund fiber
Someone did the sims to find the actual difference between SMF and TitansGrip? I...
SMF always worst
hardy cargo
if u dont have 2 2h then you are forced into SMF, but you will definitely want to look to get a 2nd 2h
smoky vale
smf is behind
rotund fiber
SMF is kept worst in every patch said by devs to avoid loot problems and having to maintain 2 2H and 2 1H every patch for balance
deep elm
hey guys i'm new to fury, i was checking bis list in wowhead and Maxroll are not the same which one do you recommand i follow ?
cosmic badger
id recommend murlock.io
smoky vale
your bis list will be different
cosmic badger
and also sim
hardy cargo
bis lists are kinda an outdated idea, just sim the gear combos in your bags and itll tell you whats best friend 🙂
deep elm
aight thanks
trail bane
bis lists are kinda an outdated idea, just sim the gear combos in your bags and ...
Yes but eventually everyone sims will converge towards the same results because there is a best set of items
So bis lists are not stupid, what is stupid is thinking that you need to skip all loot until you get the bis items
hardy cargo
Yes but eventually everyone sims will converge towards the same results because ...
but then you take into account getting the same (or very close) stats from various combinations of gear + margin of error we likely wont truly know exactly what is 100% bis
just a general idea
trail bane
Thats true, the reason there is a variance in wowhead and icy veins bis lists or whatever is that there can be very small differences that skewer towards very similar results
And either is fine to take as "bis"
hardy cargo
also actually obtaining all of those pieces in a given patch is infinitesimally small being that itll always include m plus gear and you just gotta pull from a pool of a cpl hundred pieces once a week
trail bane
indeed, which is why its good to have a bis list so if one of the m+ bis items happen to show up in your vault you take that instead of a pair of gloves from the mythic raid or something
since its much easier for you to get those gloves than it is to get a specific m+ helm in myth track
hardy cargo
I just p much function on myth track+irreplacable = take 100% of the time
calm turtle
Lol I been playing glass cannons lol
ornate sable
How does cleaving from boss onto adds work for bloodbound? sometimes they're out of range sometimes not? but room is circle and they always spawn same distance away?
uneven plaza
Pineapple on Pizza? Yes / No?
restive peak
Stand on middle of the platform he has a huge hit box
And yes, all pizza is good pizza
narrow tide
hardy cargo
sly bay
smoky vale
And yes, all pizza is good pizza
i can barely eat pizza anymore, working at pizza hut ruined it
slim pollen
Pineapple on Pizza? Yes / No?
Yes please 😁
eager thorn
And yes, all pizza is good pizza
What about dessert pizzas where people put like marshmallows and chocolate on em
rigid stirrup
Pineapple on Pizza? Yes / No?
As a born and raised new yorker that is a hard pass for me personally
idle ember
As a born and raised new yorker that is a hard pass for me personally
fellow nyc fury mains 
verbal rivet
I feel like New Yorkers enjoy being mad at things more than they dislike the pineapple on pizza.
Throwing shade is a competitive sport out there
rigid stirrup
Nah we're all chilling till it comes to sports or you're a slow walker
verbal rivet
Valid takes tho
kindred scarab
How big is the gap between smf and tg warriors rn?
verbal rivet
How big is the gap between smf and tg warriors rn?
We make fun of SMF warriors
smoky vale
play what you want if it means that much
verbal rivet
play what you want if it means that much
This
frank dawn
But the buffs on Tuesday will make SMF better than TG is today. So that means it’s good right
hardy cargo
does anyone have the paste to sim races in advanced sim?
fluid atlas
50k to anyone who help me on my rotation ( im new player have 7 days in mythic 2.3k 623ilvl and only 1.2m overall) need hellpp xD
verbal rivet
As fury?
fluid atlas
yes
kindred scarab
Just install Hekili for a few days to get the hang of it. You will realize how ez fury is and will become muscle memory. You save 50k
verbal rivet
You’re doing better then most of the discord lmao
zenith siren
whens new patch coming in game ?
past pivot
It came on Tuesday.
eternal sundial
like the buffs or what
kindred scarab
The buffs are coming on next reset
fluid atlas
so if there a buy guy here who can help to understand perfectly the rotation come in my dm 50k free
delicate yacht
When your details number goes up by 5.6%....now I can start playing the game !
eternal sundial
so if there a buy guy here who can help to understand perfectly the rotation com...
please just read the guide
and maybe watch some streamers
copy what they do
past pivot
Regardless of server? Faction? EU or NA or AU? Check out Crit's videos. Read the guides. Read maxroll.gg
orchid dagger
We make fun of SMF warriors
unless they are mogging fists, then they are based SMF players
still do no damage, but they got drip
verbal rivet
unless they are mogging fists, then they are based SMF players
If they commit to the memes bc WW is LaMe. Based.
“I want to dual wield 1 hand swords, it’s all I played in classic. 2 handed swords ruined fury.” We make fun of them
orchid dagger
My issue with SMF is that Blizzard chooses the decision that pisses more people off rather than buffing SMF or making it entirely cosmetic
verbal rivet
It should be near equal in damage output to run that talent
verbal rivet
My issue with SMF is that Blizzard chooses the decision that pisses more people ...
You really had to get the worst Typhlosion for the pfp?
orchid dagger
You really had to get the worst Typhlosion for the pfp?
If we go by the numbers Hisuian is straight up better than the old one
Ghost type is a hell of a drug
verbal rivet
I meant the animations, lurch ass mf
Hisuian Typhlosion slaps
He doesn’t even have back flames in the art smh
keen kindle
It should be near equal in damage output to run that talent
SMF still shouldn't be a talent
Like it never was a talent, was it?
remote haven
Anyone already simmed Flame Wrath? It shows me huge Upgrade in Offhand. Does this also mean I will play without Embellishment when I get a Mythic Track Weapon?
mighty apex
any talent builds ready for next wednesday?
hard widget
any talent builds ready for next wednesday?
There is about 4 viable builds
Ra thane, AM thane, Ra Slayer and AM slayer
Ra thane still being the best
remote haven
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/129845959576...
thank you very much i overlooked that 🙂
turbid timber
Starting ovinaxx mythic prog tonight. Maybe khadros and transmitter for eggs? Both are 626, alt sacbrood 626. Transmitter and sacbrood simming highest but im thinking a trinket per pop? 😂
honest trail
modern void
just hit 630 ilvl... my stats a a little skewed....
past pivot
at 630, you should know not to fret stats
fiery spindle
wait on last boss in AK we can just heroic jump to avoid pull in and dmg?
modern void
aye true but still feels a little high on haste
past pivot
If you're simming, and simming right, you're ahead of the curve
modern void
Gaco leap under 1 second left
fiery spindle
ty didnt know that, just randomly saw it in critcake video
oblique trail
The tell exactly when you can leap, is when your character gets knocked up
After this knock up, you can leap
nocturne salmon
Map working as usual
oblique trail
Sure they aren't just in Hallowfall?
nocturne salmon
yea because even zoomed into the map they are out in nowhere
and this from yesterday
mans trying to fly to eastern kingdoms from dragonflight place or something
modest condor
yeah apparently that happens if you're in different phases or something
not sure about the khaz algar thing, it was always showing people in dornogal as being in the middle of nowhere if i was on a different part of the island
slate sun
Hey guys got a 639 Shard and a 626 Transmitter, both sim quite equal, for QoL shard wins but is transmitter actually better?
modest condor
i mean the one that sims better is better
if they sim quite equal then it doesnt matter and you just pick the one that's easier right?
median dust
If i get the DK tier set for timewalking event. Can I wear it on my Warrior or do they still have that restriction?
humble plover
Probably restricted
slate sun
Yeah and i even thought sims dont take into account the mastery bonus you get from things dying, but everyone telling me im trolling, i guess not many have a 639 shard haha
humble plover
But who knows. We appear to be able to mog the trading post and remix stuff for other classes rn
nimble ermine
Yeah and i even thought sims dont take into account the mastery bonus you get fr...
tbh
the mastery thing from things dying is whatever
id much rather use mark
slate sun
Yeah, just need to loot a 639 mark
humble plover
Yeah I'm a shard enjoyer
slate sun
Shard has good value in raid also with add profiles, rashanan + queen for example
modest condor
yeah
slate sun
and silken
defo brood
But i got a 639 first week vault, and i dont see a 626 transmitter beating it
nimble ermine
not all of us are like you man
slate sun
100%, on princess prog now, transmitter during transmission does not seem fun to press
oblique trail
You only press it during the last intermission
In which it can be a bit sketch but not bad
nimble ermine
i still dont even have a hc transmitter
oblique trail
Otherwise you press it right before 1st intermission, and in the middle of 2nd P1
nimble ermine
just my chungus myth mark
oblique trail
I had the choice of picking a Myth Mark a few weeks ago, when I had a HC Transmitter
But still kept Transmitter and picked something else
humble plover
Hot take. Transmitter kinda fun, other than the orb that runs from me that I DEFINITELY touched
oblique trail
I'm convinced that even a HC Transmitter is better than a myth Mark/Shard
nimble ermine
it kinda is
oblique trail
As Fury, the vast majority of our damage is during our burst
And 15-16k primary stat clears 6k~ mastery easily, especially during AoE
There's obvious ease of use just using Mark/Shard, but I don't think that ease is worth compared to what you get from Transmitter
modest condor
I'm convinced that even a HC Transmitter is better than a myth Mark/Shard
it simmed equal for me with a 639 shard
slate sun
Yeah in sims right now think transmitter is a 0.2% upgrade in 5min 1T, and shard is a 0.4% increase in 1min 5T
nimble ermine
just play am and use both and be a terrorist
modest condor
if it was like 0.5% ahead or something i would have said yeah i agree with you
oblique trail
it simmed equal for me with a 639 shard
With what profile, and did you also look at the actual damage peaks during the sim
modest condor
but it was within 0.1%
1 target 5 minute
i mean i can do another one and check again
vague fern
it simmed equal for me with a 639 shard
My 639 shard sims lower
jovial coral
I am premiumless atm
check dm
modest condor
also worth nothing that i dont raid atm, only m+, so shard has some extra value for me
slate sun
Also speaking of trinkets, with Ovi egg im assuming you try activate with 30 main stat stacks
oblique trail
The ideal time to use it would be either 20/10 or 10/20
slate sun
or do you just let it do its thing and never touch
oblique trail
(afaik)
Though I don't know what the sim defaults to, as I haven't cared enough to mess with it
slate sun
Yeah has a 60%DR above 20 stacks ur right
modest condor
so this is myth shard vs hero trans http://puu.sh/KhycI/22442befea.png
shard peaks at 2.1mil during opener and 1.6mil otherwise
transmitter peaks at 2.25mil on opener and 1.7mil otherwise
oblique trail
transmitter peaks at 2.25mil on opener and 1.7mil otherwise
What's it like in an AoE sim
modest condor
in the past the order indicated which one it uses first in the sim, but i think they've changed the apl since then to just use the stronger one first?
oblique trail
Could not tell you which order it does now, with how jank the trinket APL lines look
modest condor
and same thing about transmitter having higher peaks
slate sun
Well im assuming on Brood palying AM you would pop shard on pull and Transmitter at 45s
Rinse repeat
modest condor
yeah same, i really dont like the trinket lines
oblique trail
Well im assuming on Brood palying AM you would pop shard on pull and Transmitter...
On Brood if you use both, you use Transmitter with your Avatar
modest condor
it's just that i read some comment that that's what it's supposed to do
oblique trail
Whenever that'd be
slate sun
Yea thats at 45s, first eggs.
summer crater
My best mythic+ combo is transmitter and shadow-binding ritual knife
winter fossil
Transmitter can fe farmed at raid
But mythic shard u only can get from vault
I would take mythic trinket
Plus free mythic upgrade for your next trinket so...
winter fossil
I wanted to write mythic before but slipped :p
normal bane
wonder if they partition logs again tomorrow
with all the slop that happened this week
eager thorn
bloodthirst is the new rampage
frank rover
does nayone here use the quazy plater profile
unreal onyx
im feelin the new empowered BBs
unreal onyx
bloodthirst is the new rampage
where bb
fossil sun
is it worth hitting BB between every rampage? or wait till its a garuntee crit?
unreal onyx
afaik you hit bb on cd basically
unless you got ravager running, unhinged will take care of that for you during it's duration
fossil sun
oh fuck ravager lol
plucky oak
When do you decide to take either Rumbling Earth or Crackling Thunder for m+? I have always used rumbling earth but I see people flipping to crackling thunder now
eager thorn
Not rlly that bad
unreal onyx
When do you decide to take either Rumbling Earth or Crackling Thunder for m+? I ...
idk why people take it, I assume bc the wowhead build has it in it
south kayak
syncs more often than not
unreal onyx
I don't see the nessesity of crackling
eager thorn
Its not a necessity rlly its just qol
unreal onyx
might be even worse bc of the huge slow if you wanna chainpull in m+
eager thorn
It also just makes the abil look better
south kayak
Crackling also makes TC look better
eager thorn
And thats what really matters
south kayak
with lightning
unreal onyx
why
plucky oak
why do i shockwave?
south kayak
Fellow Umaru-chan
frank rover
is there a CC anchor i can use?
eager thorn
Shockwave off cd and add casting i press shockwave
Add no longer cast, win situation
plucky oak
Let me rephrase - I want to use it every pack. Not really off CD because that signifies I'm just tossing it out wildly without interrupting anything
fossil sun
I prefer AM bc its just faster and more fun and i hate having the feeling of saving everything for a specific pack or phase
eager thorn
Ye i mean the nerfs have sucked but the good thing abt fury for m+ rn is you can kinda play whatever you want, ra/am and slayer/thane
hard widget
Let me rephrase - I want to use it every pack. Not really off CD because that si...
Stop doing that, bad habit
neat ermine
hi, anyone having an issie with the input reactions? Home and World latency 20-25, queue set to 400ms, yet i get a laggy sensation when clicking my buttons
hard widget
AOE cc's are no bueno unless u have no kicks
hard widget
hi, anyone having an issie with the input reactions? Home and World latency 20-2...
Maybe WA's or Addons interfering or high mob density. Besides that, spell queue 400 ms is giga high and normally u shouldnt fuck around with those settings unless ur ping is higher than normal
frail trout
isn't 400 ms the default?
hard widget
Especially since people have a tendency to click their button 5 times
frail trout
if you never touch that setting
hard widget
isn't 400 ms the default?
Im quite sure its 100 on the top of my hat
Atleast thats what it is for me
Either way, your spell queue window shouldnt make u feel laggy
wanton mirage
Why press Roar before Avatar? Any reasoning?
tidal kindle
You want more real damage globals in avatar window
Roar's initial hit is kinda w.e
The dot does the damage
So you roar prior, saving you 1 extra gcd in avatar window
wanton mirage
I see. Ty, G-Spear...
hard widget
Im quite sure that was kind of debunked to be almost equal by Archi was it not?
frail trout
I would imagine that in a big pack of mobs is where there's almost no difference right, because although not too strong the initial roar cast will hit every mob in aoe
but your basic rotational stuff only hits 5
maybe that would be a very, very slight single target optimization though
ashen siren
does anyone know what i did wrong here? saw my guy crit do it and he lived
molten wing
its gonna hit 5 and do reduced dmg to the others (the initial hit)
while the dot is gonna do the full dmg to everyone
hard widget
does anyone know what i did wrong here? saw my guy crit do it and he lived
You jumped to early
frail trout
right but we are comparing pressing roar to pressing another ability instead inside avatar
the presumption of the argument is whether to press roar before or after avatar
hard widget
Im fairly certain that its a neglectible gain to press it before ur avatar
frail trout
I'm just saying there is likely no difference in aoe
frail trout
and maybe the tiniest difference in ST
ashen siren
thanks
hard widget
do it at 0.5
It doesnt have to do with the timer. Just look at the last "pulse" dragging u in. If u stay under the mob its a slight knockup
eager thorn
Ye the timer feels off cos I’ve jumped at 1s before and lived
ashen siren
It doesnt have to do with the timer. Just look at the last "pulse" dragging u in...
yea if i go frame by frame the pull happens at 0.4. which pulse are you referring to?
hard widget
yea if i go frame by frame the pull happens at 0.4. which pulse are you referrin...
There is certain "pulses" where it drags you in. It happens every x amount of time, the last time it happens is about 0.5 sec. You will recognize it (if u stand under the boss) that u get a slight knockup
inner zinc
Doesnt say unique, so id say yes
hard widget
Yep
granite violet
but i'd love to hear from oen to have actually tried
hard widget
I wouldnt do it but yes u could
oblique trail
does anyone know what i did wrong here? saw my guy crit do it and he lived
I'm not an avid M+'er but pretty sure the timing is just fucked because the boss got haste stacks
From the affix
Which changes the timer
ashen siren
I'm not an avid M+'er but pretty sure the timing is just fucked because the boss...
@hard widget yea looks so it was 1.0s on crit's stream and 0.4 on mine, theres even a debuff when it happens
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> yea looks so it was 1.0s on crit's stream and 0.4 on mine,...
That has nothing to do with it
The timer is inconsistant
warm crag
timer is pretty consistent if the boss doesnt have haste
oblique trail
I've only ever had issues during this week with the timing
And every time the boss has had haste stacks
ashen siren
haste makes sense to me, not sure what else could cause
warm crag
idk i leap off of the pull and i dont think you can survive that with that cast speed
maybe if its a max range leap and you time it perfectly
hard widget
Watch at the very end u see a slight knockup
When that happens u leap
That is the "last drag in"
summer crater
Watch at the very end u see a slight knockup
A mini-jumper
warm crag
<@244883979432361986> https://www.twitch.tv/jeventestv/clip/HumbleCharmingMooseG...
yeah but look at the clip
the final explosion happens like .2s after the pullin
hard widget
Just jump when it knocks u up and u never have issues
warm crag
look at the clip
hard widget
If u jump on a timer ur gonna die
earnest meteor
ashen siren
<@244883979432361986> https://www.twitch.tv/jeventestv/clip/HumbleCharmingMooseG...
yea that makes sense, thanks
hard widget
👍
inner harbor
dum question but does simming 5 patchwerk good ? or always 1 patchwerk ?
hard widget
If u want to simulate aoe then that's fine
inner harbor
good to find your top gear?
hard widget
If u want to simulate aoe then yes
dull compass
So whats the adapted talent tree after the OF nerfs?
hard widget
So whats the adapted talent tree after the OF nerfs?
SOme people opt out of it and instead take Vicious contempt and Berserkers torment for more ST output
Do keep in mind that u wont have an instant enrage anymore which means u will need to open with Reck - charg - ramp before sending ur cd's
dull compass
Is it still viable in mythic dungeons
dull compass
was there a export posted for it?
dull compass
oh thats literally all of it? okay haha
hard widget
Pretty much
hard widget
RA is more dps, but some people prefer AM
queen tapir
i would take AM over RA every time btw
its much simpler than what people make it up to be
just pop everything that comes up on cd
no reck but have a avatar? pop it
peak pine
How would i go about simming my character for broodtwister? It doesnt feel like hectic add cleave is the right option.
warm crag
idk you wont find a realistic sim option for it
probs best off to just sim normal st in your AM slayer build and optimize for that
inner harbor
AM is the funniest thing ever in keys
modest condor
AM is really fun yeah
warm crag
rally fun
warm crag
should
olive wraith
There’s a Recrafting trick ?
warm crag
you can spoof the game into thinking you have 2x max crafted ilvl weapons, rings by just recrafting
only really matters for rings for us and you should have ansurek ring anyways so it shouldnt matter for most of you
queen tapir
yeah recraft offhand no ?
heavy dock
does anyone know what i did wrong here? saw my guy crit do it and he lived
too early
warm crag
oh ye it should stil lwork for fdk
queen tapir
to upgrade mythic + wep ?
warm crag
to upgrade mythic + wep ?
you are a fury warrior
your offhand upgrade for 2h weapons does not cost crests and has the flightstone discount
queen tapir
ah no yeah I understood that
warm crag
thats not the issue
he couldnt have leaped it at all, the boss had haste from the xalatath affix
queen tapir
nvm what I was implying was I have an already high ilvl crafted weapon
still not mythic + weapon nor mythic weapon
but yes I get what you mean 🙂
heavy dock
thats not the issue
what its literally the issue lol
u just jump after the tug she does on u
and its very clear when she does that 'tug'
warm crag
yes it was hasted look at the clip
heavy dock
sure but u can still jump even if hasted
warm crag
like the time interval between the big pullin and the explosion was .2 seconds
you cannot reactively leap that
queen tapir
you proactively leap that 👌
warm crag
yes look at the clip
heavy dock
ye he jumped before he got tugged back
warm crag
okay now look at the time after the tug and the explosion
and you should be able to determine that you cannot leap out of the explosion in time if it is hasted
maybe you can with perfect play sure but none of you are perfectly leaping a hasted cast reactively
warm crag
what does the cursor leap macro have to do with this
heavy dock
i just have the circle down and press it the second i get tugged
warm crag
okay i press leap the second i get tugged it makes no difference
queen tapir
or hear my out ill just press my button the moment she tugs
warm crag
ya idk you're not travelling the distance to escape the explosion with 0.3 remaining (assuming you even react properly)
avg human reaction time is 120-250ms holy
warm crag
look at the clip man
idk are none of you looking at it
you can literally pause and see at which time of the cast the pull happens
sullen dove
On mobile not gonna be lookin at diddly 
warm crag
king
sullen dove
but if she’s like coded to do normal suck for a certain amount of time and that gets hasted then L
But wouldn’t that also mean if she has 2 stacks of haste she would never do giga suck
Since the normal suck takes up all the time
velvet obsidian
Just leap out at .1 seconds and win always
sullen dove
If what it’s a 7second cast and 6 seconds of it “has” to be done as slow suck, so at 10% haste 7 becomes 6.3 and that’s how giga happens at 0.3 yeah
but by same logic if 20% haste cast is 5.6 seconds and she never has the opportunity to go giga
warm crag
idk how its coded king
i just see that telling a guy to just leap it when its literally is impossible is a bit silly
sullen dove
eh light work I could do it 
craggy moss
when i have a proc of raging blow do i press it normally?
or is slaughter higher prio
open flax
shut onyx
The monkey paw curls, it only happens for mechagnomes
thorn smelt
anyone know if we still gonna be behind ret in M+ dmg next week?
sullen dove
mmm prolly not
or well, unsure what youre trying to sim for cuz youre in omega aoe spec with AM
which will not show up as doing any st dmg
chrome plover
anyone know if we still gonna be behind ret in M+ dmg next week?
yes we will be
dull compass
oh Not having OF to click is weirdddddddd
its all ive ever known as a new player haha
for mythic dungeons do you go uproar or thunderous?
sand crest
for mythic dungeons do you go uproar or thunderous?
you either do both or take away uproar to put two points in armored to the teeth
compact flint
or well, unsure what youre trying to sim for cuz youre in omega aoe spec with AM
Well i was simming for single target dps cause for some reason on heroic queen i was only doing 550k dps constantly and i was on boss all the time never moved except for those circle pops
sullen dove
think firstly you just run RA on any boss in the raid
except for broodtwister
so thats alot of st damage
crushing blow bb good
can still make all the add timings you need to hit
sand crest
not running RA in raid is yikes
dull compass
you either do both or take away uproar to put two points in armored to the teeth
what bleeds do we have other than roar?
sand crest
what bleeds do we have other than roar?
OF
dusty flicker
Well i was simming for single target dps cause for some reason on heroic queen i...
keep the burst for the adds.
dull compass
thats why im asking
marble bison
cshb :p
summer crater
you can literally pause and see at which time of the cast the pull happens
What if my reaction time is just so good 0.3 seconds feels like 2 years
thorn smelt
yes we will be
well thats suck
sullen dove
but 550k consistently just seems bit of rotation malfunction at that ilvl
warm crag
What if my reaction time is just so good 0.3 seconds feels like 2 years
i know this is a jest but apparently people dont know leap has travel time
sullen dove
i know this is a jest but apparently people dont know leap has travel time
the same travel time regardless of how far you go tho 
summer crater
Honestly I've never even done the leap trick in higher keys
compact flint
keep the burst for the adds.
I keep the burst on pull and then use it on the webs for queen since 1 min CD for bladestorm etc. But she ends up doing the webs in like 45 seconds so..
sullen dove
if you leap 10 yards you move super slow, if you go the full 30 you go 3x as fast to make it
sand crest
the same travel time regardless of how far you go tho <:xan:1094127979703062558>
gragas ult style
warm crag
u dont need the leap anyways and it just saves that tiny bit of damage
sullen dove
I keep the burst on pull and then use it on the webs for queen since 1 min CD fo...
in p1 you use everything on pull, then first webs you should have odyns and bladestorm, second webs avatar + roar, third webs odyns + bladestorm again
slayers strikes should be more than generous to make those 2 bladestorm timings on first and third sets
the only place it gets hairy is you might not get it back on second suck in for intermission
south kayak
what if it doesn't feel generous
dusty flicker
I keep the burst on pull and then use it on the webs for queen since 1 min CD fo...
waht swordfish wrote that way yeah
compact flint
Alrighty
cedar depot
bloodbath is about to pump next week
summer crater
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
We're not all white women
sullen dove
but i mean outside of that so long as youre swapping to RA, and making sure you hit ramp > cb > bb > ramp (when you can) you'll need to fill some extra raging blows a majority of the time before or after the bb, should be doing about the best you can be
and like insta prioing execute when it lights up
to not lose out on cdr
cuz that shit ass ability likes to proc twice in 1 global after boss gets 3 stacks
dull compass
have you made any changes to this since?
fathom valley
Btw peeps, where can I check the rotation priority for MT?
sullen dove
its prolly somewhere on wowhead but should be mostly the same as st just making sure you ww every 4 or 5 globals