nope
#fury
hardy cargo
oblique trail
Slayer
inner shadow
slayer
hard widget
You can fear those adds
uneven plaza
🧢 i think
tardy trench
does it make huge diff if I were to craft two hand axe instead of sword? do we want higher min damage on weapons?
wispy thistle
@livid marsh Did you check that they at least had 5s timed? Sounds like you just went off ilvl
inner shadow
jeventes
weary sail
Aside from Court u probs gonna be slayer for the whole raid
uneven plaza
does it make huge diff if I were to craft two hand axe instead of sword? do we w...
0 diff
oblique trail
does it make huge diff if I were to craft two hand axe instead of sword? do we w...
There's no functional difference between crafted weps
inner shadow
u play slayer on m+?
oblique trail
As long as it's a 2hander and has strength then you're fine
Some are just cheaper to craft than others
honest karma
u play slayer on m+?
you can play slayer if you need boss dam
livid marsh
<@189270262208921610> Did you check that they at least had 5s timed? Sounds like...
considering people had around 1.9k rio, yes they should have had multiple 5s cleared by that time
weary sail
There are certain fights where AM sync very well, i think ovinax is one of them
oblique trail
It's only Ovinax and Court where AM has any play
night relic
Rashanan cd syncage 
oblique trail
Maybe Mythic Ansurek has some very particular timings where AM could help but have not looked into that at all
inner shadow
jev i checked your stream, all i got to say is u got great energy man, i just randomly clicked on ur profile and saw twitch, saw 2 min didn't feel like watching someone dead inside mash buttons
young swan
It's only Ovinax and Court where AM has any play
rashananananan perhaps for gigis pad late in the tier (convince your group not to touch them challenge)
uneven plaza
jev i checked your stream, all i got to say is u got great energy man, i just ra...
u got issues mate
inner shadow
lfw to ur next stream 🫡
oblique trail
rashananananan perhaps for gigis pad late in the tier (convince your group not t...
gl chief
inner shadow
u got issues mate
what the fuck ?
inner shadow
u got issues mate
what did i do wrong now?
hard widget
jev i checked your stream, all i got to say is u got great energy man, i just ra...
Thank you, appreciate you liking it ^^
honest karma
is it still worth going arms on ST mythic if you got mostly fury gear?
livid marsh
<@189270262208921610> Did you check that they at least had 5s timed? Sounds like...
also i did not just go off ilvl, i had 615 at the time the rogue was at 609 and the mage at 605, i consider a 5 key as pretty easy and an itemlevel of 606 is easily achieveable without ever stepping into a dungeon
oblique trail
is it still worth going arms on ST mythic if you got mostly fury gear?
This week you can go whichever you want, but next reset, Arms will be slightly ahead again
honest karma
ty, banezi
oblique trail
Though I'd argue if you're progging Kyveza/Sikran now, just play the comfy pick
Both are close enough where comfort is more important, and Fury is easier to live on
inner shadow
u got issues mate
crude gate
Depending on your stats pretty sure arms won't be much better anyway
oblique trail
A piece of jewelry or two can quickly fix any sort of discrepancies
honest karma
i don't even know if crit or haste is more important for arms.
inner shadow
haste is
hard widget
i don't even know if crit or haste is more important for arms.
The answer is always in the sims
crude gate
Yeah if you have high crit haste jewelry you can kinda make it work
oblique trail
Colossus though very much prefers Crit typically
honest karma
yea
night relic
Just farm 2 crit mastery rings and u got strong arms gear
tacit abyss
is it still worth going arms on ST mythic if you got mostly fury gear?
at the moment doesnt make much difference, just sim yourself. My fury ST sims slightly higher than arms, so i went fury on M Kyveza, maybe the difference is higher next week
oblique trail
The technical difference will be in Arms' favour next week, yes
weary sail
at the moment doesnt make much difference, just sim yourself. My fury ST sims sl...
Not really
Even on princess u probs want to be fury to be tankier
night relic
Why
weary sail
Cuz princess hits like a truck
crude gate
Is the big execute phase damage valuable for kyveza?
tacit abyss
depends if you need the tankiness 😉
night relic
Not needed it
honest karma
we're progging 3rd anyway lmao
oblique trail
Is the big execute phase damage valuable for kyveza?
You kill her if everyone lives, with or without the increased Execute damage as Arms
warm crag
if you're 5 healing you dont really need to play fury
tacit abyss
but y I noticed meing a bit more safe in intermission and stuff as fury
oblique trail
if you're 5 healing you dont really need to play fury
Quiet fiend, you perished with 9 healers in your raid
I will not listen to you
honest karma
waht even is truck jump
warm crag
you boost the cruiser into the magnet on the side of the ship
weary sail
The dps difference between arms n fury wont be the reason u kill princess or not
warm crag
we have bought 4 cruisers and i have detonated all 4 of them
oblique trail
You should be locked up
warm crag
Fuck
pliant jackal
lvl 25 to lvl 70 in 3 hours
honest karma
UFO shit
granite glade
UFO shadow wizard money gang
dapper lintel
dracthyr fury warrior
what do you think ?
how does it compare to orc and is it viable for m plus
hard widget
Race isnt very important unless ur trying for highest content
In which usually Night elf or Dwarf is best
summer quail
how does it compare to orc and is it viable for m plus
prob better than orc, orc isn't that great. dracthyr not the best race for warrior since its main thing is mobility, and warrior has tons of that. probably a bit over midpack damage wise coz of the mastery racial tho
velvet obsidian
Orc best race. Good yell noises and they actually look like they can hold two massive weapons.
wispy thistle
only cows
hard widget
Orc best race. Good yell noises and they actually look like they can hold two ma...
You calling my Night Elf weak?!
velvet obsidian
Yes
hard widget
😦
velvet obsidian
Hate night elves. Super whiny, and male nelf models look so dopey
It is what it is.
short cobalt
hi can I find any info on shadowmeld kips in any channel here?
dapper lintel
why, are night elves good for warrior ?
modest condor
they're good in general because they let you skip mechanics
velvet obsidian
Shadowmeld out of the Dad's belt mechanic
opal sapphire
if u have queens ring, couldnt it be worth going with oil of deep toxin instead of algari mana oil?
idk how to sim it tho, since I dont have the ring
opal sapphire
we try
tranquil violet
how does one modify multiple mobs at once
If you press the color drop down before you select a new color if you hold shift it will change everything that is currently that color to the new color you select
silk wharf
huh, my response was first. Then I explained how to fix the problem of not knowing how to do the thign
frank rover
If you press the color drop down before you select a new color if you hold shift...
god bless
silk wharf
The problem with simming something that is likely such a miniscule dps difference is that it might fall within variance.
nimble ermine
the play is to go thane for more nature damage
ignore the st loss you will get by doing it
opal sapphire
yea this is ST talents, 5 min patchwerk
nimble ermine
it's liberal propaganda
jokes aside i dont even know if the ring will make even 2% of your damage
probably even less
opal sapphire
with deep toxins surely it does more
and with thane in m+ it should do more?
if I ever get the ring im playing the toxins, and test it out myself iguess
warm crag
the play is to go thane for more nature damage
overwhelm impact is much larger than thane nature damage contribution
nimble ermine
overwhelm impact is much larger than thane nature damage contribution
i see
opal sapphire
but if you add toxins to that, it has to be more
please try it, they are 300g ish on t3
nimble ermine
this from 2nd fwar on kyveza
.
not mine sadly
if i had the ring id try it for you
wanton mirage
why are the gems recommendation fully one gem instead of colorful for the meta gem?
is it the better way?
or sim is just ingoring that combination part for the sake of easiness?
tardy lark
you need to tick the "always use" and "only 4+" below the meta gems
wanton mirage
ah i missed that. thanks aagaard.
modest condor
i feel like those should be ticked by default
tardy lark
your iterations is gonna kill chrome lol
crude ridge
please try it, they are 300g ish on t3
I can test it out on a training dummy when I get off work
opal sapphire
I can test it out on a training dummy when I get off work
nice!
opal sapphire
if i had the ring id try it for you
appreciate it ❤️
runic solstice
is it just me or are no one picking up fury warriors for +8, (2150) score is to low for ppl or do they think warrior is worst class in the game?
nimble ermine
theres like other 100 dps applying
and also community perception sucks at lower rio
summer quail
is it just me or are no one picking up fury warriors for +8, (2150) score is to ...
unless you have high score or high gear you're not gonna get noticed in a wave of dps players
nimble ermine
so yk why pick a warrior over the 300 shamans applying
opal sapphire
personally I dont invite a fury unless 2.8k score and at least 626 ilvl xd
do ur own keys fam
1 by 1 increase ur score
runic solstice
personally I dont invite a fury unless 2.8k score and at least 626 ilvl xd
for even +8
opal sapphire
yea bro
i want a clean run, and I want specific specs for a clean run
and most people want the same
u have nothing to "prove" that you are a decent player
arctic sinew
Solution is just to run your own keys
runic solstice
hopefully shamans will feel my pain upcoming patches
nimble ermine
they wont
opal sapphire
unlikely
they have mastery and skyfury
long as DK is giga meta, thats not changing
hard widget
Unironically people are really overselling FDK
hard widget
I think if you really dug into it, you'd find that they're less OP as a lot of people might think they are
crude ridge
A good FDK beats me easily every time
opal sapphire
what u define as OP, can vary ofc
odd star
I think if you really dug into it, you'd find that they're less OP as a lot of p...
when i played it i felt exactly this
summer quail
Unironically people are really overselling FDK
am i crazy for thinking unholy is better in m+? and just flying under the radar
nimble ermine
and on top of damage they also just have
grips
amz
ams
limb
which are really good
arctic sinew
A good FDK beats me easily every time
A dk would have to be extremely disgustingly bad to lose to a fwar
hard widget
Really good and OP are very different things
opal sapphire
they can negate and completely ignore too many mechanics
nimble ermine
am i crazy for thinking unholy is better in m+? and just flying under the radar
unholy cranks but fdk is just easier
hard widget
And a lot of people think that they're giga OP for the wrong reasons
opal sapphire
imagine u have spellreflect active for 10 seconds and reflect everything xd
nimble ermine
also has better st while in breath i think
odd star
uh for me is easier than fdk
crude ridge
Unholy is gross in higher keys
odd star
fdk until you get good at it is a bit finnicky. and even then its clunky and DB's rng is lame
arctic sinew
Fdk is cancer to play but it's def not hard to do good dmg with
odd star
fury is way more fun
hard widget
This is where atleast to me, the entire perception of m+ is giga scewered. Because M+ isnt just about "big numbers = op" and quite frankly its not as black an white as it either. Just because the top teams are playing a certain comp and pulling around the strengths of that comp, doesnt make it OP. If you pull around a warrior with all buffs. You'd see the difference is actually not THAT big at the end of the dungeon
arctic sinew
Even a dogwater 1 hour playtime fdk will beat a fury
opal sapphire
This is where atleast to me, the entire perception of m+ is giga scewered. Becau...
and this is where u are wrong
arctic sinew
just by clicking breath & RM/pillar macro and spamming obliterate in big pulls
hard widget
and this is where u are wrong
U seem to disagree with me a lot haha
opal sapphire
its not that i want to, but you are trying to portray something thats just not real
fury has no where near the same strengths as fdk
even if u play around it
hard widget
Thats why we are receiving buffs
But we are doing very solid prio target dmg while doing aoe
summer quail
thane gonna crank so hard in m+ with these buffs
hard widget
And we are providing a buff for those classes that ur calling "OP"
opal sapphire
my highest burst on warr has been around 10 mil
my fdk guildie did almost 20
tell me how they are even close
hard widget
And this exactly proves my point that the perception of m+ is fucked
Because once again, bigger number doesnt equal better
brittle crow
with the upcoming cook thane AM build
do u prio bt over rb?
it does more dam and procs blast
crude ridge
Because once again, bigger number doesnt equal better
Tell that to the ele shams
opal sapphire
Because once again, bigger number doesnt equal better
i agree, but bigger number means you can do bigger pulls and get away with it
its not just about numbers
its about what u can do with those numbers
hard widget
No, most people just only copy paste what top teams do
And dont cook routes for their own strengths
And thats why u think the class sucks
While in reality its a lot closer than u might think
crude ridge
Why pull 5 targets at a time when you can bring a FDK or UDK and pull 15 mobs
hard widget
Because 15 mobs isnt always better
gaunt egret
is spell queue window important for fury if so is it still +100 your latency
odd star
Even a dogwater 1 hour playtime fdk will beat a fury
maybe if the fury is dogwater
meager gyro
bigger wiener is better facts
hard widget
Nexct patch, we are gonna do very high ST dmg in keys while doing pretty decent aoe
But people will say we suck
Because FDK can do more in a pull with 50 mobs
Sometimes, and this is the funny part. Having a FDK in ur group can actually slow ur key down. Because it eats the funnel that a rogue gets
And ur main target will live way longer than it should, because all the smallies died and now ur left smacking a target dummy for another 20 sec
brittle crow
@hard widget tell me how 2 play the am thane spear build pls
smoky vale
you do your rotation
velvet obsidian
Everytime I hear the word 'funnel' the cancer in my bones grows stronger
smoky vale
shit explodes
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> tell me how 2 play the am thane spear build pls
Im not playing any spear build
pliant jackal
the dps difference spear and roar isn't big
summer quail
And ur main target will live way longer than it should, because all the smallies...
this is why prio damage is underrated, i've been telling guildies fury thane is gonna own next week
hard widget
Everytime I hear the word 'funnel' the cancer in my bones grows stronger
Tell that to ur assa rogue
pliant jackal
just run roar
brittle crow
Im not playing any spear build
but do i prio bt over rb cuz thane buffs
hard widget
this is why prio damage is underrated, i've been telling guildies fury thane is ...
This exactly
hard widget
but do i prio bt over rb cuz thane buffs
I dont know what build ur talking about :S
brittle crow
am thane
smoky vale
just play jugg arms in keys 🙂
hard widget
am thane
Nothing much really changes to be quite honest. you pretty much send BT on every set
velvet obsidian
Tell that to ur assa rogue
I will. Slowing DPS so that someone else can do more never feels good.
brittle crow
every set??
hard widget
I will. Slowing DPS so that someone else can do more never feels good.
No ur doing dmg where u actually need it
hard widget
every set??
Well ur spamming rampage
So u just send Bt's when u got em
Believe the prio's are very close in thane regardless
brittle crow
yea between sending BT on cd and pressing clap over rb as filler in aoe
i feel like
im not pressing rb enough
odd star
lincc said you just gotta worry about not capping rage and spending your free bts asap
hard widget
Thats just how AM feels Fruiter
hard widget
Basically what Trashies said
brittle crow
free from the shackles of raging blow
smoky vale
bring back ramp bb
brittle crow
im gonna rampage!!
smoky vale
😦
pliant jackal
Dude i'm getting cooked by the mount mania event
brittle crow
Dude i'm getting cooked by the mount mania event
that made me feel like such a god damn fraud
tbh
i thought i had mounts but i DONT
nimble ermine
i have 50 mounts ill win that shit
hard widget
I will. Slowing DPS so that someone else can do more never feels good.
The real keys get timed when u stop worrying about how much dmg you end up with, or how big ur burst was. But instead look how you can make the pulls faster, by swapping more st or aoe dmg depending on the groups needs to make the pulls die equally
smoky vale
i wonder if mount collectors pay for arena carries/ ce for mounts or just give up
brittle crow
Prio is very close
"prio is very close" as u describe a fundamentally different rotation to RA slayer
smh
brittle crow
o
pliant jackal
Bullshit they pulled out a in-game shop mount
brittle crow
Bullshit they pulled out a in-game shop mount
my event pulled out swift zulian tiger LMAO
burnt mica
if i will never raid , just m+ , do u think its a good idea to craft 2 two hand weapons? it cost me 8 spark of omens to get 4 omens. every other slot cost just 1 omen. so maybe i lack behind the itemlvl when just my weapons are 636 😛
acoustic yoke
I committed seppuku in front of him
nimble ermine
if i will never raid , just m+ , do u think its a good idea to craft 2 two hand ...
its a waste to craft 2
acoustic yoke
How dare I breathe his same air
nimble ermine
you can just pug 1st boss on mythic and pray you get one or just get one out of vault
odd star
if i will never raid , just m+ , do u think its a good idea to craft 2 two hand ...
dude raid, raid is fun
nimble ermine
you also waste 180 crests for 2
odd star
rip
hard widget
Lmao
forest ginkgo
Enraged regen
nimble ermine
spec into bitter immunity
forest ginkgo
And hit ur wall in the same animation that our PC does for bloodthirst and you'll heal
Only plebs go bitter immunity
brittle crow
we love orc bloodthirst animation
forest ginkgo
Spell reflect the jalapeno
forest ginkgo
Nah nah, just spell reflect it
Trust
I am many IQ
My chromosomes exceed the 50 mark
velvet obsidian
Spell reflect won't immune you since it already hit, but it will still do the DR
inland roost
so is the dragon race worth switching to as fury?
hard widget
so is the dragon race worth switching to as fury?
If you are into dragons sure
brittle crow
depends what u care about...
hard widget
Otherwise not really
velvet obsidian
Scalies are WiS. Go orc. Trust
velvet obsidian
Best animations, best look in plate, best yell noises. Orcs are GOATed.
pliant jackal
DRAGGING THESE BALLS
kind scaffold
I like the dragon yell noises ngl
orchid dagger
so is the dragon race worth switching to as fury?
pvp race
wispy mural
wowhead guides don't mention AM at all, after the changes will that be the play or still mostly equal
brittle crow
wowhead guide only updates when game does
wispy mural
not saying it should
that's why I asked here, I do my best to not ask questions that are pinned/answered all around. I did a search in the channel too and see slayer am a bit behind, and thane ra and am are about the same for now. just wondering how it looks with the changes tuesday
||if they happen||
young swan
sims havent been optimized yet
reflected in the fact that no guides have been updated
opal sapphire
wowhead and icy veins guides, imo, never get updated before a new season or whatever
young swan
verifiably false
opal sapphire
i use wowhead the first week and then resort to discords and or top players tbh
meager void
oh its clueless rando hour, nice
wind token
damn
young swan
i use wowhead the first week and then resort to discords and or top players tbh
high end players are always gonna be the best source of information
but the guides absolutely continually get updated throughout the season
when they warrant updating
hard widget
reflected in the fact that no guides have been updated
👀
young swan
for reference, there is literally a changelog on each guide page
uneven maple
Is Single-Minded Fury really not viable at all? What's the point of the talent then? ) :
meager void
oh lawd
opal sapphire
for reference, there is literally a changelog on each guide page
guess ill take it back then
young swan
Is Single-Minded Fury really not viable at all? What's the point of the talent t...
for people who dont care about performance or for whom performance doesnt matter
nimble ermine
xan when are you making a build with onslaught
frosty patrol
smf purpose is purely for the 5% movement speed when running old raids
meager void
it also makes you look kewl
opal sapphire
1hs are cooler than 2hs now?
young swan
xan when are you making a build with onslaught
FUCK that
uneven maple
Eh, thanks guys. It's a bit dismaying. I do enjoy dual-wielding 1hs, as a Warrior. Made good use of using a rapier in one hand and the ogre pocket pocket knife in the other, for the duelist feel.
acoustic yoke
Play outlaw
nimble ermine
Eh, thanks guys. It's a bit dismaying. I do enjoy dual-wielding 1hs, as a Warrio...
see there is a very viable smf build in the game
it
it's called frost dk
acoustic yoke
Then you feel like a duelist
hard widget
Then you feel like a duelist
Just stay away from critters ye?
acoustic yoke
that button sucks
Definitely doesn't live up to how cool its name is
young swan
yeah its pretty poopoo
uneven maple
True. I'll give those two a shot then. Thanks again.
young swan
does exactly nothing thats interesting
acoustic yoke
Just stay away from critters ye?
Many critters died this week
acoustic yoke
nimble ermine
idk i think it would be funny to see you terrorize another key with another xantaga build™️
acoustic yoke
Rest In peace lil bros
hard widget
only got 3 done yesterday....
Slacker
acoustic yoke
Dw warrior rework coming next patch
Then we have good capstone and class tree trust
Rally back to 20%
wispy mural
wowhead and icy veins guides, imo, never get updated before a new season or what...
it's updated always lol
acoustic yoke
opal sapphire
battleshout now increases all primary stats by 10%
young swan
Dw warrior rework coming next patch
snow edge
Can't believe you ran that cursed other build yesterday Xan but won't try Onslaught
Absolute terrorism
nimble ermine
seeing him go from "this cant be that bad" to "this fucking sucks" within quite literally 5 minutes was peak
acoustic yoke
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Got to will it into the ether
opal sapphire
yup
young swan
make it a cool ability instead of an uncool ability
acoustic yoke
It's a glorified enrage enabler
opal sapphire
and animation shouldnt look like it does
acoustic yoke
That barely does damage
faint whale
I miss siegebreak
young swan
its crazy too cause you have to take 2 talents for it to do that
dire vigil
would we want to start playing frenzied enrage for more cdr for AM?
hard widget
Ontslaught - smash your weapon into the ground with extraordinary force hitting all enemies within 20 yard with a shockwave for 569% attack power. Deals reduced damage beyond 25 targets
young swan
there was actually a point during beta where I ran Ons + OF
acoustic yoke
Based and balanced
young swan
just natty onslaught
acoustic yoke
Por que?
young swan
cause every other talent point was either shit or broken
acoustic yoke
Ah
young swan
like RA just didnt work
AM just didnt work
or rather they broke BS cdr
when coupled with the slayer capstone
hard widget
I remember that the cdr on bladestorm was broken for a loooong time
Just like MBG was bugged for the entirety of PTR for s4 dragonflight
acoustic yoke
Imagine unstoppable force was a talent you could pick on thane
acoustic yoke
Isnt shaman getting like big nerfed?
summer quail
Isnt shaman getting like big nerfed?
yeah, still very fun to play tho. love lightning
acoustic yoke
yeah, still very fun to play tho. love lightning
Yeah I suspect with the pt 2 to the rework it's a whole lot more fun now
Just haven't had the time to touch it this week
summer quail
i hope i can drop OF forever to use two stacks of VC
you probably can tbh, these bt/bb buffs are pretty big
torpid sand
and i say that for thane btw
acoustic yoke
Answer still the same tbh
hard widget
i hope i can drop OF forever to use two stacks of VC
Honestly, this is a pretty good thing to do in loads of instances as this patch is giga aoe heavy with the classes that you usually take into keys. Like FDK, Assa, Boomie etc have insane aoe. Meaning that ST / Prio dmg skyrockets in value. So you doing more ST dmg by having VC and Berserkers Torment can actually make the overall key faster ^^
Even tho it means dropping some overall
final birch
Havent they just have boomie more prio/st and less aoe?
With the weekly reset
Idk boomie just heard that from a friend
hard widget
Havent they just have boomie more prio/st and less aoe?
They buffed aoe by 6% and st by 3
:)))
"we're trying to buff the single target" was the tooltip
final birch
Yeah me neither I just popped to check and see how much it got buffed
Because buffing boomy is idk
Its already good
hard widget
Yeah seems weirdge to me too
hard widget
Cannex said its 3% st for him and 6% aoe
Idk if he's right, or Boomie discord is right
But this is what i got told
Maybe they're playing different builds or smth. Chicken stuff
hard widget
now buff feral
They already did
final birch
Feral just got buffed
undone flower
Yeah seems weirdge to me too
You know how they tune classes
torpid sand
buff even more 
undone flower
They check all bosses warcraftlogs stats
hard widget
You know how they tune classes
bronze smelt
If you run thane fury and choose torment and VC instead of odyns fury, do you wait to cast Avatar until after the avatar from recklessness expires?
magic inlet
@hard widget just saw your new vid. was very helpful ty
hard widget
If you run thane fury and choose torment and VC instead of odyns fury, do you wa...
No
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> just saw your new vid. was very helpful ty
Happy it helped! ❤️
undone flower
@hard widget when feet reveal ?
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> when feet reveal ?
Kekw
hard widget
Do you just send m together?
You send reck ava together yes
bronze smelt
Ty!
hard widget
If its with AM, it could desync. But if they're both up you send them together
acoustic yoke
Haven't tried AM thane yet
hard widget
I remember when this was bugged and it didnt properly add onto eachother if you send reck first. That sucked
acoustic yoke
I hear it's pretty solid
bronze smelt
I like reckless abandon, the sync up is big dopamine
acoustic yoke
I remember when this was bugged and it didnt properly add onto eachother if you ...
Back in DF?
hard widget
I hear it's pretty solid
Its a lot easier to open up with and has "burstier" st as u can insta dump ur 3 empowered bloodthirsts
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Back in DF?
Yes
It was bugged for like 2 seasons, where if u send reck before avatar, u got less avatar duration
acoustic yoke
Yeah I remember seeing that when I was thinking of going war for a season
acoustic yoke
Its a lot easier to open up with and has "burstier" st as u can insta dump ur 3 ...
Fair enough. Reset is a good time as any to give it a go
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Fair enough. Reset is a good time as any to give it a go
Definitely! There is quite a few builds that are very viable with multiple talent choices in them too
Should see what you like best
short cobalt
with AM spec will u be using reck without lining it up with avatar?
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It depends how close together it is
Usually you have 1 "mini burst" and 1 "big burst" when playing AM
You can get your recklessness down quite easily to about 40-45 seconds
runic solstice
yo was just wondering, if you would build a comp around a fury, how would the best comp look like for m+
undone flower
3 melees comp is not my shit
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Tbh, all dungeons are perfectly fine as full melee this season
summer quail
3 melees comp is not my shit
triple melee pretty good this season, only boss it's awkward on is last boss arakara. you can do the box strat if coordinated tho
undone flower
Guardian/Brew - MW/Resto - Enha / Rogue / war
You know brew is shit, I don’t know if MW has good dmg tho I never saw one in my keys
Apart mordrim ofc
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I mean, yea its not optimal. But building a comp around a warrior isnt very optimal either
astral path
AM is goated for single target
AM slayer do be pumping
i like it alot more than RA for ST
thats what i ran
massive rage gen
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Try simming that build with 2x deft experience
astral path
alr alr
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RA is quite a bit ahead in ST tho
astral path
its bad because my group pulls boss across arena
undone flower
You did as much as me not playing AM and I never read hero talents Im a prot player
astral path
so i have to wait to opener
hard widget
Ur not making use of bloodborne either with that build
SInce ur not using odyns or roar
The only thing that gets buffed is CSHB which generally means u can move the talent to somewhere to get some more value, like Massacre
summer quail
even if only running roar i think bloodborne has pretty low value
hard widget
It really isnt
With marks for execution it does do quite well
But yes massacre doesnt help you with that, but does help you maintain AJ easier under 35%
astral path
alr alr
ill throw some sims out and refine it
should i drop crit thinking or swift strikes
hard widget
Probs just something like this tbh
But its basically the RA build, but just with AM. At that point u might as well commit to RA as it just does more dps
undone flower
I have 3 ilvl lower than you
astral path
undone flower
4 min 58 fight too on my log
astral path
yeah long fight
crude ridge
He might've got cucked with mechanics
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eager thorn
Purple ilvl parse noob
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Noobslap
crude ridge
There's probably like 20 people at that ilvls with a kill lmao
undone flower
97 > 87
eager thorn
Is 633 even that high
crude ridge
You're not 633 silly
crude ridge
I rest my case lol
hard widget
633 is decently high
crude ridge
633 is very high atm
eager thorn
Last weeks raid we got like 3 upgrades for me that went to other plate wearers
crude ridge
I'm hard stuck at 631 cause of crests
eager thorn
And this week all the plate drops i already had
lime plaza
633 means you got very very lucky on mythic raid items
hard widget
If only i got 1 more piece of loot i'd be 634 instead of 633.75 😦
eager thorn
Does oh count for ilvl
hard widget
633 means you got very very lucky on mythic raid items
Tbh, i just looted rare neck / cloak from vault kekw
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Does oh count for ilvl
No
eager thorn
Rip
lime plaza
Tbh, i just looted rare neck / cloak from vault kekw
Exactly what I meant kekw
eager thorn
I’m still rocking a hero OH
eager thorn
Was hoping itd juice me up a bit
My first 3 vaults were sikran neck > rash cape > transmitter
astral path
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Tbh i dont even want transmitter
astral path
only about 900 dps diff between AM and RA builds
lime plaza
What build are we currently going in m+? Still the wowhead thane build?
eager thorn
Tbh i dont even want transmitter
It has its moments of being annoying but i think its p chill overall
hard widget
What build are we currently going in m+? Still the wowhead thane build?
There is like 4 viable builds for next week
The theoratical best is RA thane
lime plaza
Hmmm I see
hard widget
Could be stat dependent
hard widget
Looks fine
astral path
prob big stat dependant
hardy cargo
Swap 2/2 critical thinking to DOI/UBF you’ll get a slight increase in ST
torpid sand
I would remove Opportunity, but that's just me
eager thorn
Swap 2/2 critical thinking to DOI/UBF you’ll get a slight increase in ST
Unbridled ferocity is insanely dogshit
hardy cargo
Fierce follow through is very slightly above opportunist also doesn’t require thinking
hardy cargo
Unbridled ferocity is insanely dogshit
Hey man I’m just passing along what simmed best for me
hard widget
Swap 2/2 critical thinking to DOI/UBF you’ll get a slight increase in ST
Im not sure if thats gonna be an increase with next week in mind
hardy cargo
But next week isn’t rn 
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And i very much dislike variance in my dps based on procs
eager thorn
Hey man I’m just passing along what simmed best for me
Idk i doubt uf sims high
hardy cargo
B-b-but 2k dps on sim!!
hard widget
Regardless of it being "better or not" it brings variance into the equation which is hard to play around
hardy cargo
variance is also how u high roll and r1 xdd
hard widget
UBF procs are very unreliable, and hard to get "the most" out of
hard widget
variance is also how u high roll and r1 xdd
U dont need to highroll to get r1
Just need to play good 😎
eager thorn
UBF procs are very unreliable, and hard to get "the most" out of
Xantaga did a key yesterday and it took him 6 mins to see an UF proc
torpid sand
i'm just happy that we don't use onslaught
serene solstice
I love that my decision 15 years ago to make and main a Warrior was essentially the wrong choice because of Blizzard's inability to balance the game. I'm 2750 rating and I've been spending the past 3 hours applying to 10+s and havent gotten a single invite lmao. These buffs cant come soon enough
torpid sand
that's why i run my own keys
i feel people invite more because of ilvl on these keys tho
eager thorn
I love that my decision 15 years ago to make and main a Warrior was essentially ...
Idk this sounds a bit farfetched
torpid sand
i get invites pretty often, and i don't even have a turbo high ilvl(628)
serene solstice
Im sitting on 626. The difference 2 ilvls make I guess
hard widget
Doesnt get better 🙂
eager thorn
Having 12s timed and not getting in a 10 for 3h sounds exaggerated tbh
hard widget
But thats just a dps thing, not a class thing
serene solstice
Literally any 10s
eager thorn
Doesnt get better 🙂
For push ye but being 2750 and not getting into 10s is odd
hardy cargo
im right at 2750 as well and get invited pretty quick
am also 630 but anecdotally I never look @ ilvl when forming
serene solstice
I am at my wits end, like surely the game is bugged and it's displaying my rating as 0
Cause there's no way
torpid sand
literally now
eager thorn
I mean if ur waiting 3h and dont think to do ur key instead its kinda troll
dapper goblet
crazy...warriors "bad" for 3 whole days
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crazy...warriors "bad" for 3 whole days
💪
serene solstice
I mean if ur waiting 3h and dont think to do ur key instead its kinda troll
I certainly could but after 30 mins it became a matter of principle to get invited
eager thorn
Ye idk thats a pretty awful way to go about it really
serene solstice
The principle that I have even a modicum of worth to be invited rather than having to make a group
eager thorn
Wasted 2.5h cos of “principle”
hard widget
you gotta have no pride
😦
serene solstice
We're warriors, our spirit never breaks
undone flower
Jeve rate my stats
serene solstice
I refuse to abandon my pride
torpid sand
We're warriors, our spirit never breaks
you can't break what is already broken
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Jeve rate my stats
Perfect stats to be dumped in raidbots to see if they're good or not 😎
eager thorn
Jeve rate my stats
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Jeve rate my stats
I'd get some more intellect
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😂
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Didnt seem to have paid off now did it
eager thorn
But upgrade for rogue cos stabby
eager thorn
Didnt seem to have paid off now did it <:keks:936231610850897992>
No amount of int could pay off for me
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LOL
eager thorn
Anyway everyone should come play classic
undone flower
Raidbot seems to dislike my haste, too bad for it
eager thorn
Warrior stupid op and will never be nerfed
hardy cargo
Anyway everyone should come play classic
real classic or sod classic
eager thorn
Raidbot seems to dislike my haste, too bad for it
What are you simming
eager thorn
real classic or sod classic
Well I’m playing hc rn
hardy cargo
I completely forgot -50% ms stealth and combo points on ur target
eager thorn
Oh yeah the qol kinda sucks
The amt of combo points ive lost cos i looted mid pull
Is not fun
But it has so many get out of jail free cards which is very valuable in hc
Vanish legit removes iq issue from dg groups
If you want real pain play warrior and enjoy single pulling mobs for 12h
hardy cargo
I got to 30 something on warrior 2nd try then I just quit hc shit was too boring
bronze chasm
crazy...warriors "bad" for 3 whole days
crazy...warriors "bad" for 3 whole days
dense drum
It sims better then other weapons, but it feels like its doing less dmg, what are your thoughts on this one guys
eager thorn
Ye its a diff pace for sure
hard widget
It sims better then other weapons, but it feels like its doing less dmg, what ar...
#updates-midnight I believe there is a part in here
eager thorn
It sims better then other weapons, but it feels like its doing less dmg, what ar...
Ok for st, dont use mt
Iirc
hardy cargo
It sims better then other weapons, but it feels like its doing less dmg, what ar...
theres a post about it in #updates-midnight I think
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eager thorn
#fury message heres a link to the link to the message
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https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305/1299938379982...
Lmao
undone flower
What are you simming
idk i simmed a stat weight (i know) and droptimizer
hardy cargo
#fury message hey just i ncase you needed it here a link to the link of the message
hard widget
idk i simmed a stat weight (i know) and droptimizer
Stat weight sims are fine if u know what ur doing, but usually just dont run it
eager thorn
idk i simmed a stat weight (i know) and droptimizer
stat weight simmer, chat kill him
dense drum
Ye, i know, i saw it few days ago and cleared heroic for it, but it feels like it never procs, even ST feels worse, thought the sims might be broken or smth
undone flower
Stat weight sims are fine if u know what ur doing, but usually just dont run it
(i know) it's like i can't sim my haste in another way, it's not to make a decision it's just to see
hard widget
Ye, i know, i saw it few days ago and cleared heroic for it, but it feels like i...
Realistically feelycraft isnt really something u can go by, just do what the sims tell you ^^
odd star
well the briar feet debacle made sure we all looked more at her feet
willow cradle
Wtf lmao
dense drum
Realistically feelycraft isnt really something u can go by, just do what the sim...
Yes, thank you, it just felt super odd, never asked such a stupid question, prolly just need some sleep 🤓
eager thorn
Its not really a stupid q
hard widget
Yes, thank you, it just felt super odd, never asked such a stupid question, prol...
No questions are stupid mate, and dont feel like you are by asking them 🙂
dense drum
Ok for st, dont use mt
thank you mud aswell
eager thorn
o7
dense drum
❤️
eager thorn
Am i
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eager thorn
:/
tribal flint
WE GOT HARD BUFFED !!!
eager thorn
I thought i gave the wrong info and had to recheck news message lmao
tribal flint
IM HARD !!
gaunt moat
undone flower
@hard widget help me does it mean i gain 0.5% dps by farming 40 grim batol 7s or it's a 0.5% upgrade of old ring
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<@637785960108654602> help me does it mean i gain 0.5% dps by farming 40 grim ba...
The ring there is a .5% upgrade over what u currently have equipped
undone flower
ok so i dont really care
hard widget
It depends. What are you after? ST stats or AOE stats or M+?
Because in M+ you can balance out both ST and AOE a little bit at the cost of eachother to have a more "balanced" build
undone flower
now that i am on kyvesa i may want to start to min max my char for fury
hard widget
But if you're aiming for optimal ST, then .5% is quite a bit
undone flower
for raid jeve, you know i dont care about fury in m+
hard widget
You can try to sim different gem / enchant combinations to see if you can get gain down if you dont feel like farming it out
But .5% is quite a decent upgrade especially in "end gear"
undone flower
ok it is 40 grim batol 7s then, what have you done...
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😂
undone flower
for a ring 619
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Send me the simc report please
gaunt moat
Jeventes nicest fury warrior confirmed?
undone flower
Jeventes nicest fury warrior confirmed?
first time i talked to him on discord he wanted to sell me feet pics for 15€
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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5rCfidCHB6Eof19pM4nr9D
Change ur ring enchants / gems to mastery / x
gaunt moat
first time i talked to him on discord he wanted to sell me feet pics for 15€
Fair price but he has man feet
hard widget
And see if you have a heavy mastery cloak / belt
undone flower
Change ur ring enchants / gems to mastery / x
my gems on my crit haste ring will not move sorry
hard widget
Why not?
undone flower
prot
tribal flint
When are the buffs out ??
hard widget
When are the buffs out ??
On the next reset
tribal flint
Kk
gaunt moat
Wednesday for humans and tuesday for crazies
tribal flint
Diablo 4 till then
torpid sand
i'm gonna level my 20 monk
undone flower
Then i wish u happy farming
you know the sim will still point me grim anyway, i have 31% haste sitting in dornogal
short cobalt
For slayer aoe is it better to use OF after TR or BS then OF?
hard widget
Diablo 4 till then
Might as well play all the builds and familiarise a bit with them
hard widget
you know the sim will still point me grim anyway, i have 31% haste sitting in do...
You need to bridge about 1500 mastery to get the same result, u can bridge about 800 ish with gems and stats with ur current gear
If you do that, then u only have to swap cloak
gaunt moat
For slayer aoe is it better to use OF after TR or BS then OF?
During the burst phase? Reck avatar tr then bladestorm then OF
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And u'd get the same result
short cobalt
During the burst phase? Reck avatar tr then bladestorm then OF
yes and thank u!
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During the burst phase? Reck avatar tr then bladestorm then OF
Dont forget to ramp before Bladestorm with RA ^^
gaunt moat
True i don't play RA anymore but true
gaunt moat
yes and thank u!
You play am or ra?
short cobalt
RA
undone flower
If you do that, then u only have to swap cloak
i hate you because you know i will do it, and see i need the cloak of grim
gaunt moat
Then as Jeventes said add a rampage because your bladestorm
undone flower
Change ur ring enchants / gems to mastery / x
i will recraft my weapon to vers/mast first, idk why i made it haste/mastery in the first place
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i will recraft my weapon to vers/mast first, idk why i made it haste/mastery in ...
The sim is suggesting you get more mastery, not vers. Haste is pretty good of a stat for us, i doubt dropping it would give u better results. But you can try a topgear sim with a recraft and see how that compares
undone flower
fine
torpid sand
good 1 hour simming
undone flower
vers it is
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vers it is
Just wait till u run a droptimizer and still got to do GB xD
neat cargo
should crushing blow always be prioritized over bloodbath?
undone flower
i dont want to do 40 grim in pug with 2k rio people
hard widget
should crushing blow always be prioritized over bloodbath?
Are we talking ST or AOE?
neat cargo
yes :3
hard widget
It was not a yes or no question xd
undone flower
neat cargo
ST
hard widget
Then yes
neat cargo
AoE?
hard widget
Almost always yes
You can "fish for procs" on reap the storm when adds are about to die too squeeze more dps
young swan
pretty sure its BB > CB @ 3+ targets
sullen dove
I will be fishing for reaps on cooldown come next week thank you
hard widget
pretty sure its BB > CB @ 3+ targets
I mean yes and no, because if you CB first you have a higher chance of instantly applying CSHB
hard widget
Yes but that takes longer
sullen dove
just highroll
But also 2 seconds of missing out a dot on 2 targets is kinda who cares
hard widget
End of the day if ur playing RA ur gonna press both anyways
sullen dove
ya
hard widget
But also 2 seconds of missing out a dot on 2 targets is kinda who cares
5 targets!
sullen dove
I mean some are gonna crit
just not as many
But feel like 1 reap is worth like 30 seconds of cshb
plucky wedge
So on brood bb over cb?
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On brood u play AM
sullen dove
Well u go am usually
sullen dove
but I will like ava roar bs into bt right away to snipe a proc and then odyns
Usually they live long enough
bt comes up sooner again
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Basically on Broodtwister you can do a few optimisations to get the most out of your kit, by pressing BT instantly into double rampages into another BT when adds come out
sullen dove
a bt before bs might not be a bad call too cause it’s pmuch off cd the whole time you’re channeling
But eh typically prefer the flow or roar into insta bs
undone flower
ofc it's 5 am no one to recraft my weapon, i'll just modify the simc i guess
odd star
jeventes, when to run powerful vs frenzied enrage in Am build
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jeventes, when to run powerful vs frenzied enrage in Am build
Usually with AM u prefer Frenzied, as you gain more value from haste as you get your major cd's back faster. Thane however benefits a bit more from powerful enrage
But usually people opt for Frenzied regardless as the difference is quite small, and feels loads better to play
odd star
cool, i was under the impression frenzied was the choice for AM since its synergistic but wanted to make sure. Too used to PE being busted
hard widget
Powerfull Enrage gets better with higher target count pulls, but after out target cap nerfs im not sure how much that has toned that down. But the difference was decently small regardless already
undone flower
fiery harbor
powerful enrage might get meta again in season3/4 when haste values get higher from gear ye?
hard widget
The further into the expansion the more valuable it gets yea
young swan
powerful enrage might get meta again in season3/4 when haste values get higher f...
yar
can it be tuesday already
also im gonna be hoenst
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can it be tuesday already
Yeah please let it be tuesday so NA can beta test for us
young swan
i feel like the solution to the PE vs FE problem is to just buff FE
go to like 20% haste
undone flower
cant wait for next friday nerfs
frank dawn
nerf PE
hard widget
If they do that, ur gonna have people avoid haste
young swan
I just dont want them to nerf PE
hard widget
Purely to get more value
young swan
If they do that, ur gonna have people avoid haste
good
frank dawn
NERF IT
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I want to stack parry
undone flower
jeve do i really care about 0.1%
young swan
no
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jeve do i really care about 0.1%
Yes, farm it. U gotta be completely minmaxxed
(no dont do this)
undone flower
Yes, farm it. U gotta be completely minmaxxed
you know me well
at least anyone can trade the cloak and ring i guess
40h to drop 2 specific items, it should go well no ?
hard widget
You got dis Happy ^^
summer quail
I just dont want them to nerf PE
honestly surprised they didn't over the odyns nerf(or atleast some part of it)
neat cargo
do you guys find mountain thane or slayer more fun to play?
young swan
ive been having a lot of fun with thane recently
torpid sand
thane is the shit
neat cargo
yeah i like that one best too
torpid sand
love using it
fiery harbor
I'm the only one that hates thane apparently
opal sapphire
am I pressing RB/CB too little?
summer quail
do you guys find mountain thane or slayer more fun to play?
thane anyday. if it was up to me i would buff thane so we play it in raid as well
opal sapphire
was that one for me? 😄
opal sapphire
ye i know about that but I just simmed
and its doing more cb/rb than me
but idk number wise we are the same
im like 50k under my target dummy sum
sim*
hardy cargo
math is telling me you are missing about 20 casts of BB/CB throughout they key or whatever u did
opal sapphire
target dummy 5 min
this is the sim breakdown
so i guess im prioriotizing bb too much?
ah wait, target dummy sim has no execute right?
hardy cargo
Its hard to tell without a log, but just quick numbers based off of your cast to hit ratio, you arent casting enough CB, hits say 60 casts, compared to ~80 casts of rampage
hardy cargo
cb>bb>rb to 110 rage>ramp
this also assums you have enrage up
if you dont just move ramp to the front
execute pops up ahead of cb if 1. about to lose SD 2. about to drop ashen jugg 3. 3x stack of marked for execution otherwise its like way down just above bt I think
opal sapphire
thats in exe phase tho right?
out of exe phase u only cast exe with 3x stacks of mark?
gaunt moat
You shouldn't even have ashen jugg in aoe settings and there is no execute phase you only use execute at 3 stacks in aoe settings
opal sapphire
this is ST
gaunt moat
Then as he said
hardy cargo
in aoe u use whenever u have 1 stack iirc
hardy cargo
out of exe phase u only cast exe with 3x stacks of mark?
there are 3 conditionals there
hard widget
this also assums you have enrage up
This will change wednesday
hardy cargo
This will change wednesday
yes it will, but thats not my perogative rn, I dunno where it will land (I can speculate) but I should just tell people what I know is best for now, then they can get their update when archi drops it
opal sapphire
there are 3 conditionals there
yes but you dont mention if that is in execute phase or not which was my question
but maybe I read it wrong
odd star
out of exe phase u only cast exe with 3x stacks of mark?
i mean did u see how much damage exec does. the button is pitiful 😭
hard widget
yes it will, but thats not my perogative rn, I dunno where it will land (I can s...
Yeah i know it was just a sidenote
hardy cargo
yes but you dont mention if that is in execute phase or not which was my questio...
its always
execute stinky button rn
thats why its getting a nice buff next week
opal sapphire
ah ok
tbh im not using exe all that much, its just a nice generator
if i fk up and everything else is on cd
or just no luck with rb
hard widget
Execute in slayer gets pressed when AJ is about to drop, 2x sudden death available , 3x marked for execution
opal sapphire
ye golganarr already answered the same
hard widget
Or as a glorified filler if u run out of buttons
opal sapphire
exactly
hard widget
Didnt see
gaunt moat
but those 10% might change that
Nah
hard widget
I just made a weakaura for it, so i get a noise if one of the criteria is meet
Is nice for some hectic situations now and then
opal sapphire
im gonna hit the target dummy again and post results!
ok so i have some bad habits it seems
idk if from dragonflight or shadowlands tho
but this is better, right?
right??? 😄
execute still a bit too high maybe
crude ridge
What are you trying to accomplish here?
ruby eagle
where is your reap the storm dmg??
we prio BB in aoe right, for the reap the storm dmg?
hardy cargo
its single target
ruby eagle
ah, mb
olive wraith
execute still a bit too high maybe
Execute way too high. Cb usually highest
hardy cargo
I think rb might be too high too?
hardy cargo
execute seems a little high but not too out of the ordinary, comparing a breakdown from a pretty good sikran kill I had
ruby eagle
this is mine singel target 5 min
odd star
this is mine singel target 5 min
1 cb for every rampage 🫡
opal sapphire
Execute way too high. Cb usually highest
i mean its too high, but not way too high
from a sim i had it at like 9.4
and mine is 11,4
opal sapphire
What are you trying to accomplish here?
nothing just practicing rotation tbh
because i felt something was kind of off
ruby eagle
82 CB and 82 Ragingblow
olive wraith
I coulda sworn rb was higher
opal sapphire
and i was scared it might be wrong prio
crude ridge
Ah
opal sapphire
and i was kind of right
i was prioriotizing wrong
this was my first
cb and exe way too high
ruby eagle
Bloodbath WAY to high
opal sapphire
i know
ruby eagle
and CB to low
ruby eagle
Ah good