fury

[weary sail]

Accurate or cooked tier list after balance patch?

[young swan]

its tettles

automatically cooked

[weary sail]

Which part is wrong? For M+

[young swan]

the fact that tettles made it

[modest condor]

te'ls

[summer crater]

Isn't it the first three or four per week?

[nocturne dragon]

totally random

I only got 1 rep this week doing 8 bountifuls

[summer crater]

Huh, interesting

I pretty much always get them directly

[nocturne salmon]

looks good tbh. exept outlaw being too low

and sub too high

fire is too low aswell

it should be at least B+

[summer crater]

Why would elemental go all the way to the bottom?

[nocturne salmon]

no clue

the nerf likely wont do anything

[young swan]

the nerf was pretty big

[nocturne salmon]

i mean if you nerf 20 million burst with 20%

its still hella op

[weary sail]

That was fixed

[nocturne salmon]

i see. where is it at now then

[weary sail]

It feels like Fury at the beginning of expansion rn

[summer crater]

Yeah but compared to current fury they do about 33% more

[young swan]

fury is also getting buffed

by a pretty substantial amount

[weary sail]

Pretty sure FDk still better tho for M+

[young swan]

but also u should look at the actual names of the tiers

rather than the grading

[summer crater]

4.9% AOE for the main mythic spec, how much is the single-target with the aoe build?

[young swan]

in that sense the list is very accurate

[nocturne salmon]

i wonder what data blizzard use to buff and nerf stuff

[spare hull]

which build you going for queen? burst as ovinax?

[young swan]

ele is unlikely to see play because enh is busted

[dire vigil]

I like Tettles, he does a lot for the community. But man, that maniacal laugh gets me every time

[nocturne salmon]

because with the data normal people can just get easily you can tell they have no idea whats going on sometimes

[young swan]

similarly, fire is unlikely to see play because the other 2 mage specs are better

[weary sail]

Even if Fire is viable, if frost is meta, no reason to play Fire

[young swan]

more is going into the list than just "is this spec good in a vacuum"

[nocturne salmon]

i mean by that logic i can see fire being down there but if its just a tier list its still good a very decent spec

way above average

[summer crater]

Some people still think warrior dps is in an amazing spot because they base it on feelings (some warriors who just play with bad players and some bad players who see decent warriors once in a while when they get invites)

In mythic+

[nocturne salmon]

i mean. its kinda hard to judge stuff when padding is there as the default option and not boss damage on warcraft logs

i think they should check that a bit closer lol

[dire vigil]

Also @mossy fox happy to see you happy in your recent vid. Upbeat Critcake is a good sign. Good vibes

[nocturne salmon]

if you just go by boss damage, fury is not looking too good

[young swan]

just go look at logs and copy a talent build

[summer crater]

True but at least in mythic+ the aoe padding actually does help you finish the dungeon much faster

[nocturne salmon]

but its still doing well in some situations where things live just long enough for your burst to end at their death

[dire vigil]

Is general consensus thane AM in keys and Slayer RA in raid after the buffs?

[nocturne salmon]

which is why they are still looking "good" on some fights

[young swan]

yeah prob

[nocturne salmon]

until you once again check boss damage lol

[young swan]

yeah but like

if ur not getting brought to raid for boss damage

[dire vigil]

Cool, that should feel fun. Also let’s us use all of our talents in different forms of content, which is the best way for the season to go

[young swan]

why does that matter

fury exclusively gets brought to kill adds

thats it

[nocturne salmon]

well its still pretty worth bringing to last boss for the ad damage

[young swan]

its the same for ovinax and rash

[nocturne salmon]

ads need to die asap on higher diffs

[young swan]

you bring fury because it gives up (almost) 0 ST to do full aoe

[nocturne salmon]

so its still fine to bring on these fights

[young swan]

so its just the most efficient pick

[nocturne salmon]

yeah and then switch to arms on the rest

[young swan]

i dont think you do

[nocturne salmon]

arms is pretty decent in st

[young swan]

arms is down bad

its like

2%? higher than fury in ST

with worse passive survivablity, or just survivability in general

[modest condor]

thane has funnel Pog

[young swan]

500k less HP and 10% less passive DR

[weary sail]

You decide whether or not that dps difference is worth it

[nocturne salmon]

well before the patch dropped it was in the top 6-7 dps on st i think

[young swan]

before arms got nerfed like 3 times

[nocturne salmon]

now that the numbers are totally fakked its hard to tell

[young swan]

yeah sure

but the past 2 weeks or so

theres just no reason to play arms anywhere except court

maybe sikran because its not a very lethal fight

[nocturne salmon]

ig

gotta love that warcraft logs havent removed outlaw logs yet

[nocturne salmon]

idk i think arms is alright in st but maybe im wrong

[weary sail]

These chinese wow memes kill me

[nocturne salmon]

i wouldnt complain bringing one personally

[young swan]

if by "alright" you mean 2% better than fury

[south kayak]

Longest burst in the west

[young swan]

then sure

[dire vigil]

Arms should be pretty strong in ST after reset, right? Still not bothering playing it ever, but a good Arms warrior should get close to if not top the meters on Sikran and Kyveza?

[flat river]

hello

[young swan]

but its objectively not a good ST spec anymore

[nocturne salmon]

hm

[young swan]

it gets better next reset

obviously

[nocturne salmon]

i guess i missed when they got nerfed last time

[south kayak]

I’m gonna play colossus on st and no one is gonna stop me

[dire vigil]

Wait, wtf? There’s literally no point to playing it then lmao

That’s such a tiny difference

[modest condor]

this is singletarget right now https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2920&dataset=95

[tired brook]

pug group almost 2 timed 11 stonevault

cant wait for these buffs man

[modest condor]

ignore outlaw those are exploiting

[south kayak]

What the mage doing

[tired brook]

👀

[modest condor]

arms and fury are snuggly together at the bottom

[tired brook]

Who knows man

[nocturne salmon]

but 1.5 mil isnt that bad?

[weary sail]

Arms is ahead of Fury in ST by 2.4%. You decide whether or not its worth it

[tired brook]

^ this number changes heavily with stat distribution btw

stat prio matters a lil more on arms

[weary sail]

You want crit on arms

[floral dove]

Arms reminds me of Condem build from sl season 1

[dire vigil]

V meh, also I have pretty low crit rn

[weary sail]

And im assuming ur gear is full of mastery

Cuz of fury

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[gilded pawn]

It’s not 2.4%

It’s much less

[nocturne salmon]

while your st is a little less you still have the cleave

[flat river]

real

[weary sail]

Based on?

[nocturne salmon]

deez

[south kayak]

Lmao

[floral dove]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-really-bet-zoom-gif-1865842086006026214

[weary sail]

You can literally just plug this into a calculator lol

[bitter palm]

wonder why

[hardy cargo]

arcane is pretty down bad in a key setting after spellslinger rework

[gleaming briar]

is dungeon slice simming accurate?

[weary sail]

But anyway, imo, not worth. Just stay fury even for ST

[bitter palm]

could it be the series of stray nerfs that caused it?

nah

no way

[gilded pawn]

There’s some apl stuff being cooked up for fury

Less for arms

[elder ridge]

Nahh, never use that

[south kayak]

What for

[weary sail]

You aren’t in Liquid or Echo whos playing for World First where 1% DPS actually matters

[gleaming briar]

ok, m8. thx ^^

[south kayak]

I wonder if we’ll use fierce followthrough

Instead of opportunist

[young swan]

we already do

[flat river]

going into a GB +10 guys

wish me luck

my last +10 i need for portal

[south kayak]

[devout totem]

gl

[south kayak]

Damn I’m still using opportunist lol

[weary sail]

Since when did we switch away from opportunist

[glacial sonnet]

ey guys Im seeing different info at teh guides, whats the enchant for main hand and offhand in fury?

[faint whale]

Since it got nerf

[nocturne salmon]

im on op still too

on st

[weary sail]

Well fml

Still opp on all my build

[astral path]

depths

x2

[glacial sonnet]

tyvm

[nocturne salmon]

it seems people on top logs are like 50/50 op and fierce

for kyveza and sikran

time to sim it

idk i sim higher with op on st. probably my gear then

[nocturne dragon]

what has becomes of arms then

[hard widget]

Its probably because people just didnt realise

[oblique trail]

Fierce was 0.7% ahead 2 weeks ago when I last checked for me

At like 20%~ crit chance

[young swan]

since it got nerfed

[nocturne salmon]

im on 19% crit so idk

[flat river]

so

we disbanded before we started second boss

[young swan]

yep

gb moment

[flat river]

real

[oblique raft]

so we r so back?

[flat river]

we're kinda back

[oblique trail]

We are certainly in a much better spot yes

[weary sail]

I had a timed +11 GB and the tank got MC by the add before the final boss

[oblique raft]

i have to do progress on M Silken C idk if playing fury or arms

[oblique trail]

You can play either one really

Thane is good on Court

[oblique raft]

i saw that people r playing with MT

yeah

[young swan]

thane fucks

[oblique trail]

Progged almost all of it as Arms until the last 10 pulls, where I tried Thane, and killed as Thane

[flat river]

real

[oblique trail]

It was certainly a lot easier to do damage as Thane for me compared to Arms

[oblique raft]

yah i notice also helping with the adds that r fukin our ranged players

idk ill see next week

[south kayak]

Thane diff

Can’t believe they haven’t nerfed sin

[austere hearth]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/fury-warrior-raid-guide is that legit with offhand weapon ?

[verbal rivet]

Maxroll is wild

[austere hearth]

well, guide is from revvezz

[weary sail]

It is probs not up to date

I suggest follow wowhead

[chilly fractal]

Oct 22 it was updated

[fast pebble]

24 even

[weary sail]

Ye in no universe we equipping a 626 and call it BIS

[worldly cave]

revves is god but guide.. wowhead better

[weary sail]

Revves probs has the best warrior gameplay ive seen

[fast pebble]

chat gpt ahh guide

[gaunt moat]

base archim wins

[mortal raptor]

is thane outperforming slayer in fury?

[worldly cave]

best guide from archimtiros 😛

[restive peak]

We don’t even know that revvez is actually making it, they probably ask him questions and go create it

[ivory sinew]

hey guys. this is a dumb queston but do we use both our buffed raging blow and BT before using rampage again in our burst windows?

[restive peak]

But yeah as a player Revvez is god tier

[oblique trail]

In M+ generally Thane is a bit better arguably

But in raid, except for Court, Slayer beats Thane

[restive peak]

Thane = better overall, more consistent Slayer = better burst, better boss/ST

[iron wigeon]

that polearm sims dumb high, dunno if accurate

[restive peak]

Slayer BIS raid for basically everything but court, where I think they’re basically even, like banezi said

[mortal raptor]

I'm a raider and I'm looking for a up to date guide on single target priority. Do yall have any suggestions or info I could be directed to?

[hard widget]

FLAYER

[shell wigeon]

Wowhead guide should have everything you need to know

[mortal raptor]

I'll check it out again. I figured I'd ask due to the new changes and that my group is moving into mythic prog

[heavy violet]

yall think the upcoming buff will make up for the nerfs

[shell wigeon]

Wowhead guide will get updated just about as fast as any other resource considering it’s run by the guys in this discord

[dim pecan]

It's bis st gear, and would agree with the note archimtoros had is on it in regards to flame wrath

[mortal raptor]

oh wow I had no idea. thanks a ton!

[hard widget]

Im quite sure its up to date

[mortal raptor]

Also how do you all feel about the pole arm from brd heroic for m+? and do we know if the extra attack trinket is worth anything/if it generates rage

[oblique trail]

Not worth for M+

And HoJ is okay for pure ST if you have no good trinkets

But that's it

The extra attack, compared to Classic, is very much just whatever

[mortal raptor]

I got sac and minigame trinket so

think that's bis

[oblique trail]

About as good as it gets ye

[brisk zodiac]

Guys i have to ask why do i need versatility and how much do i need as a most ?..

[mortal raptor]

alright appreciate it. so the offhand I'd like is the one from grim batol one that gives Hella mastery?

[oblique trail]

You don't NEED versatility, nor a specific amount

Just sim yourself in top gear and use whatever it tells you is the optimal amount

[oblique trail]

If possible, but all offhands are good this season

[mortal raptor]

I got the grim batol one atm

was jw

[trail bane]

So i think this might be a dumb question, but does it matter if we have crafted weapon or non-crafted in off-hand?

Oh i guess if you dont have myth track it does

[oblique trail]

It does not matter, just have highest ilvl in main hand

[trail bane]

Good then im not misunderstanding things

[oblique trail]

Yeah it was a bit silly to say offhands, but all weapons generally are good

[mortal raptor]

so regardless of speed and dmg put the higher ilvl in mainhand?

[oblique trail]

Like for me, with my current gear (very well statted for Fury), at most there's a 3-4k diffie between weapons

[oblique trail]

Yes

[mortal raptor]

ok tysm

[oblique trail]

All weapons have the same swing speed, and damage is normalised between weapon types

[runic cypress]

They all have normalized DPS anyway

[brisk zodiac]

Should i just aim for haste mastery gear ? (it just seemed weird to me seeing all those warriors aiming for 8% versatility like they even get versatility gems)

[oblique trail]

They aren't aiming for anything

You are misunderstanding it

They simply just sim themselves and use whatever it says

And versatility is just a good stat generally

[brisk zodiac]

Oh okay

[oblique trail]

Stats are not black and white like that, where one stat is good and another is just bad

[runic cypress]

They are taking the blue pill

Take the red pill and gem crit

[worldly cave]

sim ur self

[runic cypress]

Before you reck yourself

[gritty sigil]

nah just go for 40k haste and 0 everything else. take the black pill

also run SMF and go full movespeed. its totally meta

[north geyser]

this is the correct embellishment yes?

[gritty sigil]

yes

[north geyser]

for charged claymore

[oblique trail]

That's not an embellishment

But yes Darkmoon Sigil: Ascendance or w/e it's called

Is what you put on your weapon

[north geyser]

this?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[gritty sigil]

ye

[storm birch]

I’m so hype for keys on Tuesday

[worldly cave]

more speed! use algari diamond +2% speed per gem.

[gritty sigil]

deadass once i get all my pink parses im swappin to movespeed gems

[brisk zodiac]

Should i use authority of depth on both weapons ?

[upbeat plume]

so I think with the buffs bb and cb are basically hitting for the same amount lol

when they go live that is

[gritty sigil]

i was following a guide that said 1 radiance 1 depth BUT i saw a pumper using 2 depths and swapped and i feel like i do more now

[oblique trail]

2x Depths is more ST/Prio damage

[worldly cave]

im rly use that

[gusty hazel]

Did they change last boss in ara'kara? my leap hasnt worked all day

[oblique trail]

Has the boss gotten any haste orbs at the same time as the suck in happened

Pretty sure it changes the timing of when you can jump

[gusty hazel]

Damn, that sounds likely ye

[lament hinge]

idk i just dont like that you die if u leap over the green slimes

[summer crater]

Critcake was so happy in his video he barely knew what to say

[meager void]

joyful wayor noises

[fading bane]

6x mythic slots will go hard

[warm crag]

its correct for pure ST

[warm crag]

it is bis for st you fool

[vapid tiger]

Four cloaks for sure

[fading bane]

got cloak on 1 char neck on 1

just need it to swap this week

[summer crater]

With versa

[fading bane]

wrong chat

[oblique trail]

real d2

[fluid cedar]

anyone rocking hoj

for old times sake

[chrome wraith]

damn we're still gonna be shit next paach boys

[fading bane]

Max got KO'd im in depression arc

[cedar depot]

Looking at powerful enrage vs frenzied enrage, is frenzied ever used in multi target?

[flat river]

AM build

[cedar depot]

yeah i guess AM makes sense because you would benefit more from using more abilities

[flat river]

abilities*

warriors dont use spells

we zug zug

[cedar depot]

idk sir it's called a spellbook

[plucky oak]

curious when do you usually leap on the timer? if the orbs mess with it that much i might stop that lol

[cedar depot]

everytime i try this, it works 10% of the time. Probably skill issue. I stopped risking it

[plucky oak]

i do it often and it works but i noticed i have to wait until .8 or .7 sec left on the cast

when i do it at one second it fails often

[flat river]

ok

another +10 GB here we go

wish me luckkk

[chilly fractal]

what are you aiming for

[gusty hazel]

I've been using the WA linked in #ui-addons-manager message and its only failed when I greed

[plucky oak]

Had no idea that existed nice!

But yeah, I went in with a group and just tested the mechanic a while. seems like if you jump with less than one second left it works all the time. im sure that wa just gives a much better indication of that

[young swan]

0.8s is impossible to fuck up

[rocky wharf]

Any good fury buff memes? We heard it all like eminem

[lost elbow]

Actually theres a little knock as he pulls in and you can see that at the cam like when you jump, thats what im watching and the timer a bit when he sucks in

[sage karma]

nope worked every time as of 1 hour ago

stop looking at the timer, wait until your character gets knocked up and then leap

[mystic parrot]

@thetrickstah

[errant vessel]

😳

[rotund iron]

whoever runs wowhead, the mythic+ builds for fury it gives you 2 options, THane and Slayer, but when you click the preview button there both the same builds lol

[inner zinc]

for silken court ive been using my M+ thane build with RA. Would AM be better or would it be better if I sticked to RA?

[sage karma]

[cedar depot]

AM thane would be a dps loss on 2 target cleave over RA, could change tuesday though

[oblique trail]

It's not that black and white

AM would allow you to have Reck for every damage amp, as compared to every other

[young swan]

and ravager !

[oblique trail]

And Ravager

[young swan]

bigly 3 BT's

[restive granite]

that would be only silken right?

[inner zinc]

yeah im asking specifically for silken court

[restive granite]

oh my bad didnt read

[vernal laurel]

Bois, in M+, would you go for a Hero Transmitter or a hero Shard Trinket? I have been playing with transmitter, but see a lot more people playing with shard

[oblique trail]

my man

[cedar depot]

Considering almost every top parse is RA, I think it is black and white. AM probably works fine

[young swan]

every top parse is RA because AM wasnt buffed until this week and everyone was progging as RA

before last week, every top parse was Slayer

and yet...

[cedar depot]

even looking at recent parses its still RA dominated. Like i said it oculd change next week who knows

[young swan]

again

people arent gonna play new shit when they're trying to reclear quickly for ansurek prog

its just not gonna happen

they're gonna play what they know

[lament hinge]

just dont like AM, RA feels much better

[cedar depot]

I'm just going off of what is logged, AM could be better but that's not what is recorded currently

[dim pecan]

I prefer to adopt builds without understanding the logic that went into choosing them

[young swan]

yeah I mean thats fine

but dont try to comment on the theorycrafting of what build to play on a fight if thats the case lmfao

[clever path]

big buffs yahooo

[wise trout]

hi can someone explain to me why when I quick sim myself the sim has a lot more damage from raging blow with thane AM build? i thought raging blow was very low on priority list

[clever path]

sim is useless imo

never worked for me

my bro simmed his warr, simm said 900k dps peak, he regularly sustains 1.2M

[young swan]

then hes fucking up something in the sim

[cedar depot]

So because he asked if AM is better than RA he's a theorycrafter? I'm just trying to anwser his question with what data we have currently

[clever path]

what do AM and RA stand for? not familiar

[willow cradle]

Anger management and reckless abandon

[wise trout]

anger managemend, reckless abandon

[copper parcel]

anger management and reckless abandon

[clever path]

im a reckless abandon baby

unless i changed it and dont remember

[warm zephyr]

MY friend wants to know how bad is single minded fury

[oblique trail]

Bad

Think atm it's roughly 5-6%~ behind

ish

[young swan]

that was not the implication at all, you're trying to comment on the validity of using AM and only using data from before AM was a viable option. You're just parroting data without understanding the rationale behind the builds

[clever path]

does anyone use AM over RA?

[tender aspen]

hi all. currently setting up a ui to learn the spec. im tracking frenzy, improved ww stacks, ashen juggernaut, and marked for execution stacks. am i missing any others worth tracking?

[clever path]

thought bloodbath was a MUST HAVE

[livid marsh]

most important one is obviously enrage and a keep lookout on your rage

[clever path]

crit % on bloodbath is sometimes relevant

also yeah, enrage

[young swan]

its not

[stray mirage]

anyone here does sale runs? i wanna know how to get in on them

[tender aspen]

is frenzy different than enrage

[vapid tiger]

If I were learning I'd start with one of the premade ones. Like Luxthos weak aura for wars

[summer quail]

in keys yeah, AM thane is very nice

[clever path]

yes, 2 different buffs with similar icons

[clever path]

makes sense, I only raid with RA slayer

not into keys much

[livid marsh]

the all in one wa's have to much unneccessary shit and are way to cluttered its not a good thing to start learning a class at all

[summer quail]

also mountain thane on silken court is very nice @clever path

[vapid tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[clever path]

thane is sustain damage right?

haven't tried it outside of tanking

[young swan]

yeah its also way better for 2t cleave

[clever path]

I like execute

[livid marsh]

very mature

[clever path]

ah makes sense

whelp, judge me

[proven stream]

We are so back baby

[clever path]

big buffssss

[cedar depot]

@young swan well im curious to see if AM has a place on the fight. My bet is on RA still because the damage amps are weird timing. Something like brood makes alot more sense in my experience

[pale sable]

When Execute Build?

[young swan]

I was thinking about AM for a while

personally I think its much better on that fight (silken court)

pretty much every important damage phase is on a 1.5m/45s timer

[livid marsh]

if you can make use of multiple bladestorms for adds it surely will be a good option to go am if you dont have to hold it for to long

[cedar depot]

lorgs wont show me the call of the swarm timing so idk how often adds are spawning

[smoky vale]

on what

fight

[cedar depot]

silken court

[smoky vale]

i think they spawn at 30ish

its about every 50

so 25 1:15

then intermission

[verbal rivet]

I just let the DKs grip them in and enjoy the extra clappa damage

[smoky vale]

3:15 419

granted im looking at a mythic log

but the adds are so irrelevent on heroic

[cedar depot]

yeah but adds are only coming up with big boy is up, so intermission no adds, and I don't think he spawns any during his intermission either

[smoky vale]

they just get cleaved down

no

[hidden coral]

guys am i reading the prio list right for thane AoE in m+ that we only use rampage to enrage or trigger RA?

[livid marsh]

you can actually filter damage done to certain enemies

[alpine palm]

In an AoE situation where your big CDs are blown do you want to prioritize Bloodbath/Bloodthirst hoping for Reap the Storm procs?

Been checking logs of high parses and seeing a surprisingly large contribution from Reap the Storm

[formal scaffold]

When we have Opportunist but not a ton of rage, do we send Raging Blow anyway or Execute / Bloodthirst even if we have to wait a GCD or so to preserve the proc for Crushing Blow?

[alpine palm]

I'm trying to track that down. Is it Bladestorm proccing bloodthirst on nearby targets which procs Reap the Storm or are they prioritizing Bloodbath/thirst while on cooldown

[hardy cargo]

last time this was mathed out it depended on target count, iirc(could be wrong) 3t BB overtakes, 6t BT overtakes

also this is likely going to change next week

[hardy cargo]

you can just play normal priority and ignore it, but we play the other talent now anyways so no need to worry about it at all

[sage ridge]

Is it worth dropping Odyn's Fury for VC now?

[smoky vale]

for am

[sage ridge]

Is am more fun or is it actually performing better?

[sage karma]

I love wow

I love how I just get declined from every key because I'm an F tier spec

[hardy cargo]

thane RA and AM sim =

for slayer am a bit behind

[torpid sand]

Next week everyone will accept you

[sage karma]

every single key I've done as fury since trying it

I'm #1 dps

but clearly I'm just not good enough

What a fucking stupid ass game

rant over

[thorny shoal]

community perception is the hardest boss in this game unfortunately

[radiant bronze]

When I pug takes me 30 mins to get into an 8 yo farm crests when I have everything timed on 10’s

[sage karma]

yeah I'm trying to just join +8s to farm crests but nah

[pliant jackal]

Maybe ilvl

[radiant bronze]

In slands I used to run a weak aura to track my declines vs invites and I might bring it back lmao

[pliant jackal]

and do dungeons that nobody wants to do

its easier to get into

[radiant bronze]

626 all 10’s timed for any 8 listed too low?

[pliant jackal]

damn yea its annoying

[sage karma]

They need to scrap this grouping system

just gimme matchmaking

and remove depletion

[silk wharf]

Keys are too long

For a queue system

[sage karma]

?

average dota match is 10 players and 40 minutes long

[willow cradle]

This ain't dota

[silk wharf]

20-30 minutes. yes but thats the entire game

[pliant jackal]

queue system for m+ sounds aweful

you ever do lfr

?

[torpid sand]

It would be just as bad as LFR

[sage karma]

no it wouldn't?

[silk wharf]

if keys were shorter I could see a queue system where you started at an average for the matchmade groups highest and, assuming you timed, could automatically progress to the next level with the same group until you failed.

[sage karma]

You'd have your rio as "mmr" so you'd get people who can do roughly the same level keys as you

theoretically

lfr is just slop

[pliant jackal]

what about team comps

no brez no disspell

no decurse

[willow cradle]

Yeah except you can't lose Rio so hard carries would still eventually pollute higher keys

[silk wharf]

I think in a matmaking system youd have to have a hidden mmr, just as league or dota I assume has.

[toxic crest]

This

[silk wharf]

You might both be "2200" but the hidden values are far different

[pliant jackal]

when in 10+ keys i see some really bad folks that have been carried by guild

[sage karma]

Anything is better than this shit system

tbh

It's what I get for pugging tho

and daring to want to play a dps for once

[pliant jackal]

the thing is top level players would not queue and do custom keys anyway

[sage karma]

yeah that's fine

[pliant jackal]

so the queue system wouldn't fix anything

[sage karma]

I want to do +8s to farm crests

[granite oak]

they want a que system so they have a chance to play the game lol

[sage karma]

it doesn't require meta comps

it doesn't require god tier players

or S tier specs

[granite oak]

it fixes sitting in que for 4 hours

[sage karma]

just let me play the game

PLEASE

[pliant jackal]

who would do matchmaking for 10s

[livid marsh]

can understand the frustration tho

i got 2.2k on my SV hunter but i have to look for an hour to find a grp

only to end up carrying them

[past pivot]

delves 8+ should have a chance to drop 2-4 gilded crests

[sage karma]

delves already give way too much loot

[pliant jackal]

there are better ways to fix gatekeeping than queue system

[summer quail]

bladestorm casts bloodthirst or bloodbath(if you have that ready) on your target, it does not cleave the bts. if you do not have any target it will hit a random one

[pliant jackal]

make it where not gatekeeping isn't punished as hard as it is

like full crest for even failed keys

[livid marsh]

give incentive to actually complete

i agree with that

[pliant jackal]

and higher level keys give more crest

[livid marsh]

also getting rid of the key depletion would help too

[pliant jackal]

so high ilvl players aren't farming 8s

and push out lower ilvl players

[granite oak]

stop

youre making way too much sense for blizzard to handle, theyre gonna nerf fury if u keep typing

[pliant jackal]

lol

[livid marsh]

start with 12 cap out at 20 before getting the next type of crest

would also give you two upgrades for one key

[hard widget]

Ngl i never really farm 8's and i think im a decently high player

HC and Myth raid give pretty much all the crests

And if u do anything u do 10's for vault

[wispy thistle]

^^

[alpine palm]

Right but Bloodthirst/bath have a 1 in 5 chance to proc Reap the Storm which is an AoE passive

[wispy thistle]

4 to 8 for vault slots, then just rip 8s

[granite oak]

that doesnt mean other people dont do it though just cause you dont

and cutting down the pool of higher players farming 8s so others can get in would still be good

[hard widget]

I mean i genuinely dont know any people unless its wednesday before raid that do this

[granite oak]

well lots do it, so

[pliant jackal]

well gearing alts and early xpac this would help with imo

[livid marsh]

i dont raid, especially not mythics, my only way to upgrade my stuff is by grinding keys and the max i can reach below 8s is 619 and its extremely furstrating to find groups because you still have tons of people with 620+ queing into 8s

[hard widget]

They made it very unrewarding to do +8's if ur a "high" player or even playing alts and are capeable of doing higher

Because it doesnt give you Myth track vault options

[livid marsh]

unrewarding?

[granite oak]

thats the only thing youre missing out on though.. is a myth vault.

[pliant jackal]

this is targeting more towards "casualish" players

[brittle crow]

does anybody know how many party sized bags of doritos i need to buy to get the mount?

[hard widget]

Yeah but the more "casual" you go. The more of a timesink it is to do +8's when u can do +10

[stable frost]

ive been asked to play arms for silken court 🤢

[hard widget]

Because u grief urself out of a myth track item

[wispy thistle]

@granite oak Thats the whole point, you dont need a ton of crests if you just want hero gear

[hard widget]

And once again, if ur capeable

[livid marsh]

you assume casual people get invited into 10s?

[hard widget]

I do

[pliant jackal]

but these changes only add to the game and doesn't take anything away imo

[livid marsh]

delulu as fuck mate

[hard widget]

I dont think so

[keen kindle]

Casual warriors can't do 10s

[pliant jackal]

yo lets not say that lol

@hard widget is a great player and his opinons are great to hear

[keen kindle]

Pugging 10s feels fucking impossible. People can't do an 8 without a hissy fit and leaving

[granite oak]

but if ur vaults full, and u need crests, u dont need a 10

[summer quail]

yes, and bladestorms free casts can proc that

[keen kindle]

I cannot understate how much of a waste time of pugging is, espically at higher weekly keys

Like 7-10s are gigatoxic

[livid marsh]

i would really want to hear what jeventes considers a "casual" player

[wispy thistle]

@granite oak you literally just said that all you are doing is losing myth track and running it for crests why would they have a full vault if they are only doing 8s

[hard widget]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Jevemage
I geared this mage to 608 ilvl without setting foot in a dungeon, then went into dungeons without main score showing (i played this char for 3 days in total)
I understand your frustrations, but its not impossible at all

[shell furnace]

Got myth Tier legs and myth wild hammer.. what are the chances I'll ever get the hammer again if I take Tier lol

[pliant jackal]

the thing is i play with my sister that rather do 8s because its less "stressful" than 10s even if its better to save time

[hard widget]

I just did an 11 dawnbreaker today and we had to wait 45 minutes for the group to fill

[keen kindle]

It's also a mage

[livid marsh]

great for you buddy, its a meta specc

[hard widget]

Mage meta?

[wispy thistle]

@livid marsh Are you okay?

[hard widget]

Mage is far from meta right now

And im playing arcane

[clever path]

me angry orc maghar fury warrior XD

[pliant jackal]

I rather do 10s but what can you do when family dont want to do 10s

[granite oak]

no one said anything about only having hero gear pieces tho

[keen kindle]

Mage brings lust and cc

[hard widget]

Once again this is not meant to belittle or anything, its just saying that it is definitely possible

[keen kindle]

Yes but I have to say that's not evreyones experience

It's not that it's not possible

[hard widget]

Have you tried playing your own key instead if you are having trouble getting invited?

[keen kindle]

It's just that it's literally pulling teeth

[keen kindle]

Yes. I have. It gets bricked

Evrey time

Without fail

[wispy thistle]

you must be inviting the wrong people then

[summer quail]

what key level?

[keen kindle]

Literally 8s dude

And I don't even know what the fuck right people are

[livid marsh]

unless its a 10 or 8 key you barely even get people to apply to keys

[hard widget]

I mean, this goes against the logic we just talked about. Because a while ago the problem was that "high players only sign to these keys" and that was the reason u dont get in

[keen kindle]

Do i need 3k players just to get through an 8

[hard widget]

If only "high players" sign up, they should easily be timed

[pliant jackal]

^

[summer quail]

bruh, just invite druid tanks and shaman healers. get a ret paladin and whatever else, you'll be cruising

[pliant jackal]

i mean thats why gatekeeping is so effective

[wispy thistle]

@keen kindle Get the raider IO app, i make sure folks at least have timed a similar key

[keen kindle]

I do

It doeent fucking matter

[wispy thistle]

Well then youre just fucked, i dont know what to tell you

[torpid sand]

Be like me and only invite 2600 IO players

[pliant jackal]

my point is make not gatekeeping less punishing

[keen kindle]

Yes I'm aware

[hard widget]

Sometimes the problem is a bit different from what you might expect. In lower keybrackets like i said. Its very unrewarding. Because +10 gives myth track, and everything below is hero track. Which is farmable. So usually you dont see "high players" before the +10 range, because they dont want to do the same stuff over again to fill the vault. But there is also a serious lack of players on the keys below +10

So maybe its just loads of dps players to pick from, but very little tanks and healers

Making it harder to get invited

(this is a problem on every keylevel by the way)

[torpid sand]

Easier to find tanks than heals nowadays

[chrome wraith]

y'all are really overblowing the issue here. I basically pugged to 2500 and have done almost all the 10's timed now

just gotta git gud

vet players better

[keen kindle]

Ah yes

Leeme just get good and waste my entire night vetting people

Looking at their entire history of m+

[chrome wraith]

play a different game i guess

[dapper goblet]

dont do keys then bud

goodness

[chrome wraith]

the solution is right there

[keen kindle]

No other game is enticing

[hard widget]

I think i described every possible scenario a while ago

[granite oak]

well no, there are big problems with m+ blizz needs to address

[hard widget]

If you accept that or not, is up to you

[chrome wraith]

the game is basically credit score sim

[keen kindle]

I'd rather just find a group

[chrome wraith]

do your due diligence or don't

that's your prerogative lol

[granite oak]

just pushing them off and saying "get better" will never help

[wispy thistle]

Tbh legendary from the way you are talking the issue may not be other players, usually if everyone else is the problem some self reflection may be needed

[keen kindle]

Yes but that's what evreyone 2qn5w to way

[keen kindle]

I have

[hard widget]

I tried to describe this, but in a nicer way

😂

[keen kindle]

I recognize I'm not perfect and strive to do better

[livid marsh]

ah right calling skill issue on people now?

[chrome wraith]

I mean I am for sure

not sure about the others

[keen kindle]

Saying skill issue is the most worthless thing you can say

Because yes I know it is

[chrome wraith]

you either want it enough to put the work in

or you dont

that's all it is

it's your hobby

make of it what you will

[rocky forum]

anyone have the link to all the build for mythic plus?

[compact reef]

So after the buffs are fury to go for. M+ or is arms better? Thanks

[granite oak]

i did twice, unfortunately life exists and staring at que for 5 hours to gain 10 io needs to change

[inner shadow]

is there a reason

[granite oak]

or staring at que for 5 hours to brick first pull

[hard widget]

I didnt say its a skill issue, i said that there may be other things to consider other than "giga high players sign up" since that logic doesnt apply if ur keys still get bricked when you list them yourself. Unless you somehow manage to dodge all those "giga high players" that ur competing against to get into keys with

[inner shadow]

why you should bl 2nd boss of necrotic wake?

[livid marsh]

@hard widget you have done more keys above 10 then you have done above 5

[hard widget]

Which i said. Under +10 is a waste of time if u can do higher

[wispy thistle]

Sometimes you gotta rip the bandaid, Its similar when folks say they carry in games but are stuck in "elo hell"

[hard widget]

This is why u rarely find really high players doing +8 unless they are farming crests on wednesday before their raid to be highest ilvl possible

But even then u usually see them do 10 or higher

[inner shadow]

is there any reason as to why you bl 2nd boss of necrotic wake?

[hard widget]

Probably because im not a very good mage 🙂

[inner shadow]

huh?

[livid marsh]

i highly doubt you managed to get into 10s with bad gear and bad rio without connections

[hard widget]

Mb i thought u refered to something else.

[inner shadow]

629 ilvl 2k5+ rio and yet still getting declined to 10s

[hard widget]

It depends on timings @inner shadow And since Stitchflesh got nerfed, especially with casters with a spymasters u can push its relatively easily without lust

[weary sail]

Cringe

[keen kindle]

Blizzard should implement an ability to require timed completions of at least a key level lower before anyone can sign up as an option

I genuinely think this would help

[livid marsh]

bro got basically carried by people with 630 ilvl and calls skill issue on casuals smh

[hard widget]

This is literally the raiderio addon ur describing

[inner shadow]

wtf?

[keen kindle]

No

[inner shadow]

7mil?!

[keen kindle]

As in people cannot even sign up at all if they haven't

[wispy thistle]

You can literally look this up though, And check yourself, you have all the control why should blizzard put this in if you are too lazy to check yourself

[hard widget]

I can see peoples highest timed key

Before even signing up

[livid marsh]

mate

[hard widget]

And so can you

[livid marsh]

thats regular blizz ui

[hard widget]

This isnt regular blizz ui

[livid marsh]

it is

[inner shadow]

it isnt

[weary sail]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[hard widget]

Then it is 🙂

[inner shadow]

regular blizzard ui fam

[modest condor]

maybe press a defensive or

[hard widget]

Guess i got 2 addons doing nothing for me

[inner shadow]

i did

with enraged and def stance

wtf

[glad coyote]

just do your own key and pick who you want

stop be salty

[hard widget]

U stood in the swirly

[modest condor]

enraged regen + def stance and you still died?

[hard widget]

Probably

[modest condor]

are you in a +15 or something

[weary sail]

Then you stood in shits

[inner shadow]

nope was a 10

i didnt

[hard widget]

Final harvest is either an add didnt die, or u stood in the swirl

[modest condor]

oh wait

[inner shadow]

the full bar

of boss

[uneven plaza]

how high was the key? didu get clipped by a swirlie?

[inner shadow]

got to 10

[modest condor]

i was thinking of a different mechanic

[inner shadow]

cuz they didnt want to BL

XD

[modest condor]

yeah you took avoidable damage

[inner shadow]

nope

[dapper goblet]

keep fighting the good fight, jeventes

[inner shadow]

you know the bar that charges

on 2nd boss?

yeah?

it charged to 10

then he did his harvest

[hard widget]

💪

[inner shadow]

i popped all def

BOOM 7MIL

[hard widget]

Then 1 add didnt die

Or mutliple

[modest condor]

final harvest normally does 0 damage

[wispy thistle]

@hard widget The standard blizz doesnt have the highest key level done in the list

[modest condor]

if it did damage to you you messed up

[hard widget]

I know

Its an addon

[weary sail]

So is it an addon or default

Getting mix messages here

[hard widget]

It is an addon

[wispy thistle]

its an addon

[restive peak]

Yeah final harvest is a green swirly on the bodies of the summons

[pliant jackal]

jesus this conversation turned crazy

[inner shadow]

bro kinda freaky tho

[hard widget]

Just the guy didnt believe me

[wispy thistle]

you can also get the raider IO addon

[restive peak]

It’s so avoidable it’s not even funny

[inner shadow]

sshit addon

[wispy thistle]

tells me everything

[inner shadow]

again

i did not stand in swirly

it isnt the actual swirly

its the aoe that comes w it

[hard widget]

Bro, an add didnt die

[weary sail]

[livid marsh]

i guess hovering over a group is to much work, need an addon for that

[inner shadow]

yes

[hard widget]

I said it 3 times now @inner shadow

Kekw

[inner shadow]

thank you

[uneven plaza]

logs or 🧢

[inner shadow]

i know

[pliant jackal]

bro you grabbing at straws now

[modest condor]

ok so why are you surprised avoidable damage kills you?

[inner shadow]

and the bar was max

[weary sail]

Post logs @inner shadow

[inner shadow]

i didnt log ;-;

[hard widget]

That has nothing to do with anything

[radiant knot]

Ok so i know this might have been asked alot but is slayer better now for M+ on tuesday?

[weary sail]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[inner shadow]

then wtf is that max damage bar thingy

[modest condor]

i have no idea what bar you're even talking about

[weary sail]

It is okay to stand in swirly

It happens

Dont have to cope about it

[trim hound]

Gonna be honest, never noticed an energy bar on that boss

[pliant jackal]

anyway fire mage is hella fun

[uneven plaza]

thane is more consistent

[vale dove]

its not a swilie its just an add not dieing

[granite oak]

im sayin.. if only it was stronger

[hasty sapphire]

Thane for more DPS overall

[pliant jackal]

yea i wish they wouldn't nerf it as hard

like for no reason

[hasty sapphire]

Slayer for more DPS but not useful in m+

[pliant jackal]

it wasn't even the best mage

[hard widget]

The mechanic is the following: It will spawn adds. These adds need to die. If they dont die at the end of the final havest cast, u will get 1 shot. On the place the adds died, a swirl spawns during the cast. If u stand inside of it u die. U can stun adds right before the cast finishes to avoid dieing to an add being alive as "cc'd adds" count as "dead"

[granite oak]

waited a long time for them to get rid of sun kings blessing so i could play fire again lol (make it not meta atleast, ik its a talent)

[hard widget]

I dont think i can chew it out more than this

[verbal garden]

Fury or Arms better for princess fight?

[weary sail]

Pick

[young swan]

very similar dps but fury has 500k more hp

[hard widget]

It is perfectly useful for m+

[honest karma]

Story time!

[uneven plaza]

[honest karma]

Last boss Ara-kara clusterfuck wipe. Tank leaves. We decide to 4-man. Ele and me both need trinket. We kill. Ele and me both loot trinket.

[pliant jackal]

I don't know anything about mage so but was it a good changes?

[young swan]

this isnt current, stop using it as current

[pliant jackal]

the nerfs?

[warm crag]

very powerful behaviour

[uneven plaza]

good ending

[honest karma]

yus

[weary sail]

Who tank? You?

[honest karma]

no, druid LOL

[inner shadow]

thats what happened

[weary sail]

Gigachad behavior

[granite oak]

i just dont like sun kings blessing play style. managing the stacks into new pulls bores me. rather just combust repeatedly and spam like its fury lol

[inner shadow]

the 1shot

cuz add didnt die

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah but more skillfully to pick in m+ if u go full comp pick slayer

If not thane

[pliant jackal]

yea im playing that right now and its fun

[hard widget]

How do you mean?

[oblique trail]

explode

[warm crag]

stop

currently have thunderer discover new bugs for his class

[hard widget]

RA slayer is significantly easier than RA Thane to get the most dps out off

[inner shadow]

what the fuck is this?

[hard widget]

In terms of doing rotation correctly

[wispy thistle]

@hard widget I find Thane more fun tbh

[young swan]

@weary sail if you wanna link shit around as information for whether or not to play arms or fury THIS WEEK, at least use the correct info

[hard widget]

Thats just random unavoidable aoe going out

[uneven plaza]

bruh

[pliant jackal]

i agree its easier to play RA slayer

[hasty sapphire]

I think if you go full stack m+ u can utilize the Brust more if you are not full stack always go thane for more sustain

[hard widget]

Personally im more of a slayer enjoyer

[pliant jackal]

who likes thane honestly lol

[inner shadow]

wdym?

whats that bar

i mean

[pliant jackal]

uncover blizzard employees in here

[hard widget]

I think its more about the dungeon to be honest, some dungeon are more favourable to slayer

[wispy thistle]

Folks who can play it @pliant jackal

[inner shadow]

what does it represent?

[weary sail]

Ita gonna be outdated in a few days anyway

[uneven plaza]

AM Rav thane is kinda fun ngl

[hard widget]

Brother. How do you ask me what ur own UI means like ?

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-look-gif-24835232

[inner shadow]

its a weakaura

XD

[young swan]

its not outdated NOW and hes asking about NOW

[inner shadow]

its a keystone weakaura

[pliant jackal]

oof

[weary sail]

For april fools i think blizz should disable all addons or weakauras, and see what happens

[inner shadow]

i found it

what's tortured echos?

[hasty sapphire]

I felt that some comps are more favorable for slayer then others

[inner shadow]

@hard widget that bar is related to that whats it?

[wispy thistle]

@hasty sapphire All depends on how long mobs stay alive

[inner shadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dHqmyCTn7th26RYX#fight=last&type=damage-done

here's the log1

[uneven plaza]

broken link

[hasty sapphire]

Ye that's why I am saying that's it depends on full stack. If not pick thane for randomness /more substain

[inner shadow]

idk then

[hasty sapphire]

If you go full stack/full controll pick slayer

[honest karma]

i like it. feels way better to clap than ww

[uneven plaza]

maybe its private (not logged in on ipad)

[pliant jackal]

I don't mind the clap

[honest karma]

rava then?

[livid marsh]

"just run your own key"

[pliant jackal]

yea and the rage overcapping

[uneven plaza]

[pliant jackal]

the bootyclap

[oblique trail]

Slayer also giga overcaps during CDs

[weary sail]

Pick better ppl

[honest karma]

clap that ass

[wispy thistle]

@livid marsh you chose the group right?

[oblique trail]

It's not exclusive to one hero talent

[hard widget]

The boss does passive AOE, this is unavoidable and ramps up. You can read how the mechanic works in the dungeon journal

[signal locust]

You guys using crit or speed blasphemite?

[hard widget]

The more targets die, the higher the ramping aoe dmg becomes

[wispy thistle]

the lack of self reflection for some folks is crazy

[uneven plaza]

crit

[inner shadow]

thats what i said killed me

[hard widget]

It did not

[inner shadow]

well

the damage buff

of final harvest

[modest condor]

bro

[inner shadow]

?>

[modest condor]

you died to avoidable damage

[inner shadow]

bro

[weary sail]

You guys still arguing about this shit lol

[hasty sapphire]

Bruf today had an resto shaman premade was easy clear doesn't really the other comb. If the heal knows we win.

[uneven plaza]

[inner shadow]

i did not die

in a fucking

swiurly

i dwas not s

standing

on one

[hard widget]

Look, i've been very patient @inner shadow But at this point ur just either trolling, or refuse to read

[modest condor]

oh my god

[signal locust]

Thank you

[weary sail]

[modest condor]

you're not even trying to learn

[livid marsh]

oh yeah gotta love that pro tip to not waste time with keys below 10

[hard widget]

I've explained almost every mechanic of the boss

I even explained how ur own UI works

[honest karma]

tbf blizzard swirlies aren't very good lmao

[inner shadow]

lets not start goin over bs now

i asked what a bar did

not my ui

[weary sail]

How you even know how his UI works

[inner shadow]

it isnt my weakaura

[livid marsh]

anyways im off to bed, to many people with to much time on their hands here telling casuals how to get groups lmao

[hard widget]

Is it on your screen?

[inner shadow]

its some famous mythic keys weakaura shit

[hard widget]

Then its your UI

[inner shadow]

now look

he says i died to avoidable

how is it avoidable

[hard widget]

I've done enough looking bro

[inner shadow]

if the add being alive caused the wipe?

[modest condor]

by killing the adds in time

[wispy thistle]

@livid marsh If you are trying to be casual why complain about bricking a key?

[modest condor]

duh?

[weary sail]

boy lets just move on

[inner shadow]

2 were dead

alrdy

[livid marsh]

who said i bricked it?

[weary sail]

Go to bed

[hard widget]

@inner shadow i explained it 3 timed

[inner shadow]

no i get it

[hard widget]

Im not gonna do it a 4th time

[inner shadow]

i didnt say i didnt get it

did I?

[hard widget]

Then why do u keep repeating the same question

[uneven plaza]

at this point i think hes trolling

[modest condor]

you dont get it so hard that you dont even realise you dont get it

[inner shadow]

i didnt, he said it was avcoidable, i said it wasnt unfort, cuz i popped everything of def and tried to kill them

[hard widget]

Yeah idk man

[wispy thistle]

@livid marsh Assuming since you are complaining about everything

[inner shadow]

but two tards died so

[weary sail]

At this point maybe you two should just take it to DMs i dont see this convos going anywhere

[pliant jackal]

you don't need to reply to everything lol

[honest karma]

it's very avoidable if adds are dead

[inner shadow]

again

adds

[hard widget]

I'm trying to help people

[inner shadow]

were not dead

it was what i wanted to understand

[modest condor]

which is why you died

[livid marsh]

im complaining about the insane gatekeeping that mr top 1% streamer doesnt get into his brain is an actual issue for many people

[inner shadow]

jeventes said it

silmarilen still thought it was a swirly

[modest condor]

?

[inner shadow]

which is why i said" i didnt die to a swiwrly"

[modest condor]

i never said it was a swirly

[hard widget]

xDD

[inner shadow]

either you or some other

then mb someone else did

i replied to him that it wasnt as wirly

[hard widget]

Why did u say that Sil

Wtf man

[modest condor]

i said it was avoidable damage, which it is

my bad jev

[hard widget]

Why would u do that

[inner shadow]

huh?

are you r-ded or acting like one?

[hard widget]

Surely this is not meant towards me right?

[inner shadow]

cuz idk why would y get so triggered over me saying " i did not die to a swirly"

[modest condor]

no but im out of patience with you

[inner shadow]

nope it isn't jeventes

[uneven plaza]

thats one strike for @modest condor

[honest karma]

adds weren't dead. problem solved. misunderstandings happen

[inner shadow]

tyes

[weary sail]

Chill man

[inner shadow]

thats all i wanted to know

and jeventes told me

then mfs starting going about swirlies n shit

and all i said was, it wasn't a swirly that i died to

[snow edge]

You guys been stuck in a loop for a good 30min here

[inner shadow]

but mfs were so convinced that it was, i even posdted logs

[uneven plaza]

tbh trains are kinda dope tho

[honest karma]

ait, dude. we get it

[weary sail]

Adds didnt die. Boss aoe exploded. You die. Coulda avoid it if u kill adds. But it wasnt swirly. End of story

[inner shadow]

qtrue

[hardy cargo]

no clue if this was said, but if you CC it, and its stunned when the cast goes off then it doesnt pop even if its alive. so u can storm bolt/swave it and not take the damage

[inner shadow]

wait sorry what?

[hardy cargo]

talking about the 2nd boss NW where u died to the add blowing up

[uneven plaza]

ccd adds = no go boom and do many damage

[hardy cargo]

if u stun it, and its still alive, ur grp wont take dam

[oblique trail]

If an add is hard CCd when the adds are supposed to blow up, they wont

[inner shadow]

it was final harvest of the boss

not add i think-

[hardy cargo]

[inner shadow]

so if i stun the add

[hard widget]

Yes

[inner shadow]

and boss casts final harvest

it doesnt explode

ok cool

[hardy cargo]

yes

[hard widget]

Fear, stuns, incaps

[inner shadow]

i thought add casts final harvest too

[honest karma]

if adds are alive during final harvest, you die, but you can cc an add if it's alive

[inner shadow]

thats sick

[hard widget]

Like banezi said

ANy hard cc

[uneven plaza]

add alive when final harvest cast ends = bad

[inner shadow]

i did not know that

[hardy cargo]

fear breaks really easy id not do that one

esp if ppl are smacking it

[inner shadow]

unfortunately mage and rogue died 60% into boss

i have no clue how

[hardy cargo]

also wait

theyre undead fear no workie

[livid marsh]

also to add to the question from earlier, yes i chose the group it was just a 5 mist and the group average was around 1.8k with the mage being at 1.1k, i dont want to be that kind of elitist jerk that only invites high rio players and i also dont want to waste 30 minutes building a +5 key group so i picked the first people that fit the group

[inner shadow]

fear doesn't work on undead?

[verbal garden]

Slayer or Thane for Ovi'nax?