fury

[south kayak]

Yeah, Execute should give 2 stacks of slaughtering strikes

[proper quest]

Execute has a reason to be pressed only if ur playing slayer

[restive granite]

i just told you dumbdumb

[warm crag]

aj buffed execute hits ab the same as cb no? smth like that

[proper quest]

Which in keys we won’t be

[restive granite]

i want to press execute

[red berry]

idk if two but

[south kayak]

What about 3 stacks of Marked

[red berry]

if it crits with both attacks it hits harder then CB

[warm crag]

idk how much damage marked does

[red berry]

but not by much as you’d want it to

[hardy gale]

how big is this?

[south kayak]

Big

[red berry]

mark is 15 crit damage and flat damage per stack

[sage shadow]

Does reap the storm check every bloodthirst hit through whirlwind cleave or just the initial cast?

[red berry]

so 45%

[south kayak]

It checks WW, because I'm pretty sure it procs a lot more with cleaved BTs

[warm crag]

i think? it rolls a 20% chance every time you hit bb

[sage shadow]

Yeah I thought so just wasen;t sure

[warm crag]

anda claimed its different

[sage shadow]

So that reap buff is h u g e then

[restive granite]

omg youre so petty just get the L bozo

[warm crag]

but i think its reasonable you can expect a ~67% chance to get a reap proc with a fully cleaved bt/bb

[hardy gale]

@restive granite Why are you done? These numbers go up

[sage shadow]

Will these changes make fierce followthrough always better in keys?

[dawn dove]

Its already live?

[warm crag]

if you run the numbers it comes out at about a 13% nerf

[restive granite]

im just gonna mute the clown xD

[south kayak]

Wait, that's a good point, it might

buffs to BT/BB

def can mean we use that

[frail trout]

I just woke up, the warrior buffs were not a dream

[hardy gale]

What do you mean 13% nerf? These are only buffs

[warm crag]

idk man it just turns out that way

[hardy gale]

You mean including 11.0.5?

[red berry]

iirc people already run fierce

[warm crag]

(people lie on the internet)

[red berry]

over the alternative

at least in ST

[sage shadow]

I'm talking M+

[turbid abyss]

spongie was trolling yall

[frail trout]

this change kills any skipping bloodsurge gameplay likely right

you would always press it in any scenario?

[turbid abyss]

its pretty obvious check the #updates-midnight channel

[red berry]

yeah i know that’s a tricky one im not sure

[turbid abyss]

let him be mate xD

[sage shadow]

What is bloodsurge

Am I dumb

[rustic haven]

Warrior getting buffs? What is this?

[frail trout]

I just woke up but the spell bloodthirst turns into

maybe said the wrong name

[restive granite]

its bloodbath

[frail trout]

ah

[sage shadow]

Oh bloodbath

People skipped that?

Is this a raid thing?

[frail trout]

it was a pure single target thing pre-execute

at high rage

[sage shadow]

Oh

During reck?

[warm crag]

you'd skip bloodbath if you're rage capping

[frail trout]

yeah

[hardy gale]

It got nerved in 11.0.5 and buffed now. What is the net effect?

[frail trout]

mainly reck but yeah

[restive granite]

overall cool were getting buffs, id love execute not to be a dead button and somehow get a execute phase as fury

[sage shadow]

Oh, I did not know this

[frail trout]

I imagine this buff means you do not skip it anymore

rage be damned

[turbid abyss]

wonder whatst he new rotation now

[frail trout]

but dunno

[turbid abyss]

or prio rather

[south kayak]

Think that might still be the case?

[sage shadow]

I don't think rotation has changed at all

[south kayak]

I can see maybe we prio BB with Fierce

[warm crag]

idk sim it

[south kayak]

[warm crag]

this is literally what the simulation craft is for

[frail trout]

you only rage cap in reck anyway yeah? or during bladestorm which casts it anyway

[south kayak]

I don't know how to sim that far

it's fine, i'll just wait until next week

[south kayak]

Yeah

[warm crag]

you can run into weird outlier situations that would have you skip bb occasionally outside of rekc

but yeah it doesnt really matter just press your buttons

[south kayak]

Iiirc Fierce was already equal to the other talent

with BB buffs I don't see why we wouldn't pick that

[restive granite]

during your opener skipping bb if you can rampage after cb is optimal right?

[south kayak]

no, when you rage cap

[warm crag]

if you reck in your opener sure

[south kayak]

not when you can rampage

[unreal stump]

i went sleep i woke upo and u still here amazing

[south kayak]

rampage is 80, rage cap is 130

[south kayak]

how long you been sleeping for

[warm crag]

12 minute nap

[south kayak]

I woke up 4 hours ago

[unreal stump]

idk... nopt that much but enough xd

[south kayak]

so i wasn't here all day

Chat finally calmed down

[warm crag]

@south kayak give me a thane fury m+ am tree

i am merely too lazy to go look for one

[eager thorn]

u should try this

[eager thorn]

oh thane

[south kayak]

this is Lincc's

[warm crag]

i am not picking UF

ok lincc doesnt pick longer shockwave

[frail trout]

is UF the 6% proc thing

that almos never happens for me

its like a placebo talent

[south kayak]

you can pick it if you want but honestly crackling thunder makes TC look better lol

with lightning and SFX

[warm crag]

just drop second wind for it

[south kayak]

yeah u can do that too

not like we need that

wait, you can't

need the point, to unlock the next section

[warm crag]

nuh uh

hope that changed your mind

[south kayak]

lmao

remove honed reflexes tbh

it's kinda shitty

1 sec off

[rotund ginkgo]

tbf the buff isnt as big as i thought

we're still gonna be dog

:3

at least we will feel less dogs

[restive granite]

im surprised they havent walked back on the colossus channeling thing

[south kayak]

I play ST on ulgrax

is that bad

full st

on HC

[fervent yoke]

damn I may log on my warrior this week.. we still need some valuable group utility though

I still think bloodlust would be rad for fury

[sage shadow]

Guys hear me out

Crit damage raid buff

Suits the warrior theme too, no?

[eternal sundial]

we have a raidbuff

[sage shadow]

Mainly talking about keys

Also rally is dog shit

Remove that, give us a crit damage cd, party wide

[eternal sundial]

sounds ass

never cook again

[spare basin]

reduce 5% atk from battleshout to 3% also give 3% crit ?

[sage shadow]

Removing rally sounds ass?

We have a power word shield on a 3m CD

Do you feel happy when you press rally

Does it put a smile on your tanks face, does he feel safe

[eternal sundial]

removing utility is not the solution

[eager thorn]

yea lets remove utility instead of trying to improve it

[eternal sundial]

rally should get the darkness treatment

intervene can have its conduit back

[eager thorn]

what does darkness do

[clever belfry]

rally and darkness are not the same

[queen tapir]

this is a shit idea and you know it

[clever belfry]

10% max hp is as effective in 5m as it is in 20m

[eternal sundial]

yo this sick

[clever belfry]

darkness just has higher odds so you reach an expected value earlier.

[eternal sundial]

what i was getting at is buffing it in 5m content

[eager thorn]

why are ur toenails so long

[clever belfry]

i am aware

[eternal sundial]

as thats one of the few abilities that has that

[clever belfry]

which is why i said that is not the way to do it

👍

[eternal sundial]

how would you do it

[clever belfry]

cause they fullfil vastly different niches

i would not touch rally

people always say its bad

(its really not)

[thick fossil]

Even in raid, 10% is meh. At least for a 3 min cool down.

[clever belfry]

keep coping

[queen tapir]

no its not

[clever belfry]

:+1+

[queen tapir]

you are coping

👌

[fervent yoke]

I haven’t played in a few weeks but do we still go slayer in raid even for AoE? I know thane is m plus

[thick fossil]

? I'm saying it's bad even for raid. Are you suggesting it isn't?

[queen tapir]

rally is and will always be one of the best raid utils

yes it isnt

[clever belfry]

rally is very powerful in raid

[eternal sundial]

its just that SL rally was utterly broken so it seems worse now

[earnest turtle]

It can make a huge ass difference

[eternal sundial]

when its still good

[thick fossil]

For a 3 min cooldown, it should be more than 10%

[queen tapir]

its a 10% heal with a 10% max hp that can save your ele shaman who has 0 defenses

[thick fossil]

What's mass barrier?

[queen tapir]

why not both

[thick fossil]

I know what it does but what are the numbers for it?

[eager thorn]

mass barrier is 3 mins and also only 4 other targets

[thick fossil]

And % barrier?

[eager thorn]

idk im a warrior not a mage

[earnest turtle]

It's...only four other targets?

[clever belfry]

mass barrier is not a raid cd

its a party cd

[earnest turtle]

That's not massive at all

[thick fossil]

That's why I'm asking.... lol. Gonna have to look it up then.

[earnest turtle]

"Big barrier"

[eager thorn]

kinda weird to use another defensive for ur point

but then not know what the defensive actually does

[south kayak]

slayer's strike procs

xdd

[queen tapir]

its pretty much worse than rally

I can say that without any worry what so ever

[eternal sundial]

but its on mage

which usually doesnt have shit like that

so no party cd to 1 is a big improve

[queen tapir]

I mean the shit is a randomly targeted in a raid

across 4 people

it can end up on a tank

rofl.

and looking at the shield its 12% of base mana

which with my napkin math

its ass

compared to rally

[eternal sundial]

mana doesnt matter

[queen tapir]

what do you eman it does not matter

the ability gives a shield thats = to 12% of mages base mana

[thick fossil]

Because the Wowhead link doesn't give the numbers for how big this shield is.

[queen tapir]

unless i am mistaken

its a cost of 12%

nvm

[queen tapir]

shit doesnt make sense

[queen tapir]

ima login to my mage and check

[clever belfry]

its the 4 closest

it will not go on tank

[eternal sundial]

[queen tapir]

still worse than rally

[thick fossil]

20%+ vers, ok AND a 25% magic DR? Wtf.

[eternal sundial]

not how it works

pls read

[eager thorn]

duration reduction not damage reduction

[eternal sundial]

the vers factors into shield size

that is all

[thick fossil]

Misread, got excited that Rally could have damage DR....

[eternal sundial]

its essentially 10% DR

[frail trout]

the mage shields are at least 1 mil right? as a base

[queen tapir]

dunno pressed it on a lvl 73 mage

530k hp gave me like 100k

[eternal sundial]

20% hp + vers

[frail trout]

and unless I'm reading it wrong you get 15% magic DR until the shield is depleted

[eternal sundial]

yes cuz the arcane barrier is rlly good

[frail trout]

not the 25% part at the bottom ignore that

[eternal sundial]

its both

[frail trout]

its like a ghetto AMZ basically, except those few people also get a decent absorb shield to go with it

[thick fossil]

Mother Fuckers gaslighting me over here. Lol

[queen tapir]

no we are not

you said 25% dr

[frail trout]

one damage instance probably breaks the shield but AMZ is the same

[queen tapir]

anyways its still dog shit

[thick fossil]

Sweet fuck, learn to read a joke.

[queen tapir]

compared to rally

[fallen ginkgo]

yo guys what melee spec you play besides fury, idk what else to play. i liked enhance but its weird now with new patch

[eternal sundial]

tried arms?

[warm crag]

ya i dont think theres a single magic effect you want to reduce the duration of that doesnt break any shield upon application

[worldly cave]

we have reflect and stance 🙂

[fallen ginkgo]

played it a lot in DF but dont like it now

[frail trout]

sin rogue is pretty fun rn, to me

[thorny lily]

rogue

[fallen ginkgo]

i was thinking about outlaw, its more fun for me

[eternal sundial]

bursting

existant affic

[thick fossil]

I hear frost DK stocks are good.

[thorny lily]

classic change, a guy with a big sword to a stealth guy :v

[fallen ginkgo]

real

[fallen ginkgo]

i actually dont care if its good or not, i just want it to be fun yk and sadly i dont enjoy frost but maybe i have to look deeper into it

[queen tapir]

gave frost a try for like a couple days

[frail trout]

I hate breath, I am self-banned from ever playing dk until breath doesn't exist

[queen tapir]

got him to full tier set and shit

[frail trout]

so possibly forever

[thorny lily]

Demon hunter is fun too

[queen tapir]

was the most boring shit i have ever played

[fallen ginkgo]

thought so XDD

[thick fossil]

I haven't played DK, just a lot of chatter about it.

[queen tapir]

anyways i can say this though you will probably not find a dk in a +10 that will out damage you

have yet to see a good one

🤣

[fallen ginkgo]

XDD

[frail trout]

well, they are all copying the leaderboard spec

the leaderboard guys are playing breath

[thick fossil]

A lot if FOTM players.

[frail trout]

stuff in a 10 dies too fast for good breath

[thorny lily]

tier set from DH is fun as fuck, blade dance is the most satisfactory skill in the game, and gets reset 😄

[frail trout]

if everyone is pumping

[south kayak]

do you guys play AM on Ovinax HC?

[warm crag]

you certainly can

[frail trout]

I didn't when I fought it again recently, I found those adds just vanish into the wind

[warm crag]

i dont think adds exist for long enough for it to matter and you wont top parse without some parasite shenanigans

[frail trout]

so I kept boss damage

[warm crag]

you also need to start in the corner with the parasite eggs lol

[fallen ginkgo]

what the tset do?

oh wait i can jsut ask google lmao

[thorny lily]

chaos strike have chance to reset blade dance

and 2p is blade dance increase dmg

[fallen ginkgo]

ohh reset is always fun

[thick fossil]

Wow, a logical tier set.

[thorny lily]

think is the best tier set this season maybe?

[south kayak]

What about a tier set that has you do more damage on another ability when you reset another ability?

[thick fossil]

Not sure about that.

[fallen ginkgo]

that class should be nerfed then

[queen tapir]

Do people optimize fury 4 set

cause when I play am

i cant be arsed

[south kayak]

you don't

follow the prio

andforget about 4p

[queen tapir]

yeah I assumed so as well

[fallen ginkgo]

fck 4set

[queen tapir]

yep thats what I am doing

[thick fossil]

A dartboard and a blindfold outcome.

[queen tapir]

anyways my prio is rampage > blood thirst > rb

with the thane bull shit

wtf did i type btw

jesus

brai ndead

ok there you go fix4e3d

[restive granite]

if atm RA and AM both are simming almost the same in multi target for thane, why would you play thane when theres a lot more room for error with cd dysinc

[queen tapir]

what do you mean cd desync

just pop on cd

bud

dont hold cool downs

[eternal sundial]

why would you make errors

chatting

[thick fossil]

With the buffs BT will become like a new execute, or when we're cleaving. I still doubt you prio it unless you have high crit chance built up.

[queen tapir]

with the buffs and playing AM bt > rb

[trail bane]

AM means uptime is a lot more important.

If you ever have a situation where AM sims the same as non-AM then AM is probably worse in reality

[queen tapir]

with that build

you dont treat it liek an execute

you treat it like you treat rb

[thick fossil]

Oh my fuck dude. I'm not saying you use it like execute I'm saying it will be our big damage like execute was.

[south kayak]

just did hc sikran on pug

I don't wanna talk about the damage

[thick fossil]

Did anyone say that warrior needed a nerf?

[eager thorn]

Warrior needs a few nerfs

[hard quiver]

pretty sure i know this guy

[eager thorn]

Its insane how much burst aoe it does

And ppl say its weak

[hard quiver]

i know a dude who made his mages name literally something exactly like that

[eager thorn]

Ye cos ppl see one joke and make names of it for 20 years

[hard quiver]

then again, some of the freinds i made on wow have had much worse names

[south kayak]

nobody mentioned anything about tuning

[eager thorn]

Like taurens putting cow/beef in name

[south kayak]

to be fair, I think i shit rolled on slkayer's strikes

[hard quiver]

clearly by my PFP im going to play arms or dk or something though

i would love to make my BDK eviterno

[south kayak]

look at the difference between this and

[south kayak]

his

this

low roll vs high roll

[hard quiver]

i just heard fury is getting buffs so i like to check this channel time to time

[thick fossil]

@south kayak
So with the new build, you will be using BT pretty much as normal. Though when we actually have a choice, we will most likely be trying to build up BT crit chance a little or just mindlessly sending it on cooldown.
Thankfully Rampage will become the hit asap again. Great change. No longer sitting at rage cap. RB one or twice and than BT for big juicy cleave.

Wait, why did that ping box and not @queen tapir

Fucking autocorrect.

[queen tapir]

I am not sure what build you are talking about

if you are playing AM with thane you will be pressing bt

no matter the stacks

while prioritizing Rampage over it

the only filler is rb

keep in mind your bt's proc thudner strikes

I dont play slayer so fuck that build

[eager thorn]

Burst of power proccing in vc range

Bt bt bt mmm

[queen tapir]

i dont play slayer RA*

[south kayak]

3.4m BB hit

next week

or 3.5M

[eager thorn]

ive seen the light of vc

[thick fossil]

Even with AM you're not slamming it on cool down.

[eager thorn]

feels a lot nicer than tr

[eager thorn]

why not

if ur in vc range and have burst of power up i can see it being pretty high prio

[thick fossil]

You can easily sneak a RB for a little extra crit in our clap windows.

[eager thorn]

not sure ur gonna prio rb > bt in vc range

[south kayak]

defintely not with the buffs

next week

[eager thorn]

shit slaps

[queen tapir]

what do you mean definitely not with the buffs

[thick fossil]

Basically what I believe it will look like in practice will be something akin to:
Rampage - RB, RB, BT, while keeping less than 2 stacks of lightning.

[eager thorn]

well you already prio bt > rb anyway

in aoe

[queen tapir]

that is straight ass talk rn

[restive granite]

with 100% uptime you get to reck 1 extra time between each avatar, arent you holding avatar for reck in dgs?

[south kayak]

what

[queen tapir]

dont hold you reck in dungeons

just slam on cd

everything

you dont need to allign anything

just pop

[exotic turtle]

Omg have u seen warrior buffs

[eager thorn]

am thane rb is like lowest prio outside of whirlwind

[south kayak]

no we haven't

we are blind

[exotic turtle]

Insaneeee

[thick fossil]

You don't even use whirlwind with Thane.

[eager thorn]

as a last option filler you do

[thick fossil]

You will never have to press it. Just like slam.

[eager thorn]

its not often yes but never isn't right

[south kayak]

You will press RB I think

[eager thorn]

definitely have it where ive sat idle for a gcd cos i dont have whirlwind bound and nothing else is up

[south kayak]

4p

and Bloodcraze

and SS

too many things buffing it to not

even with BT buffs

[fervent yoke]

So in raids is thane used for aoe or still slayer?

[queen tapir]

in thane you are pressing bt over rb

no matter what

it doesnt matter what your 4p does

fuck your 4p

press you bt

on 5 target

[eager thorn]

thane on court only

slayer on everything else

[fervent yoke]

Thank you kind sir

[eager thorn]

np

[thick fossil]

You can do Thane on ovinax.

[eager thorn]

you can

prob shouldn't

[floral dove]

i did thane on ovinax

was fine imo

[eager thorn]

You can prob play thane on every mt fight and have it work

But slayer just does the job better

[thick fossil]

@queen tapir I think we're arguing over semantics. BT is gonna hit hard as fuck. I think we're just looking at min/maxing it differently.

[main widget]

hi guys is fury playable in lfr after buffs

[eager thorn]

No

[thick fossil]

I mean, if you're just trying to steal everyone else's pad damage sure. The boss damage of both are very close.

[eager thorn]

Slayer is a decent bit better than thane st

But yes padding is what warriors are meant to do

[queen tapir]

if you dont pad

you will be in the bottom

right under augmentation

so pad as much as you can

[eager thorn]

Its not “stealing” if its ur job

[lean wasp]

Those who rerolled shaman do you know how much the changes are for ele

[eager thorn]

45% dps loss

On chain lightning

[south kayak]

it's like 10% on ST and 20% on AoE

loss

[queen tapir]

honestly as an ele main in this expansion and after being in the ele discord

that community deserves worse

👌

make it 30% aoe and 20% st

[south kayak]

baseg

I dislike how ele plays tbh

I love enha

[opaque lintel]

Next up

[south kayak]

lmao

[outer rover]

Hahahaha

[queen tapir]

oh man

that would be the biggest buff to raids

warlocks in shambles

[opaque lintel]

Dont show it to blizzard

[restive granite]

every heroic pug i join theres the 20 ilvl lower token warlock just for summons

[opaque lintel]

This will sovle it all

And ontop of that

Blizz will make millions

[queen tapir]

brother I would actually buy that on sight

i did not buy the AH one but this one would take the cake for me

the fomo is hitting on the AH one though

[opaque lintel]

The ah one is worth every single penny

Im gna afk garrison my whole life

No reason to step outside

[queen tapir]

I just have a feeling it will be offered for less just right before christmas

[bold peak]

Is ret pally broken? Just saw a 594 do a stupid amount of damage in a key

[restive granite]

i wouldnt say broken, just better

[opaque lintel]

Ive got portable AH witv mailbox, ive got portable bank

[thick fossil]

Broken, hmm nah, just very simple to maximize.

[opaque lintel]

Portals to all m+ dungens

[lost elbow]

im pretty sure they will find a way so we can actually do less dmg with the buffs

[thick fossil]

Lol damn, still dooming.

[queen tapir]

revert the aura nerf

😡

[restive granite]

all i want is being execute a button worth pressing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

like this

[hollow bloom]

Play arms then

[meager anchor]

yea was gonna say you get some beefy executes as arms

[queen tapir]

ah yes legion execute

times were good

4 warrior per fight executing the living shit out of a boss

[hollow bloom]

Me on my last rashanan fight

[south kayak]

Ejaculator

[hollow bloom]

Execute is pretty good on arms but it`s true it tends to be boring to just press a button

[fickle seal]

Lmao

[fickle seal]

bruh XD

[south kayak]

Ejaculator is my favorite ability

[fickle seal]

Melting the enemy with very hard effort

[south kayak]

[queen tapir]

new day no invites

never going to gear

feelsamazing man

[nocturne dragon]

You will get gear but you have to apply as prot.

[queen tapir]

let me apply a prot without a 1h

[south kayak]

yeah I applied as prot

a

and got inv immediately

[meager void]

What exactly is youe problem getting into keys?

[queen tapir]

dunno geared my warroir up to 610 now

with full 4 set and shit

[nocturne dragon]

People won’t take dps warrior until next reset. Well even if next weekly reset we still don’t know if they want dps warrior.

[queen tapir]

cant get into a 7

is kinda wild ngl

[meager anchor]

whats your IO

[queen tapir]

whatever ill just play my key

io am 2k io

i have a +10 mists

[meager void]

And your current io is?

[queen tapir]

i am just going to run my key

whatever

[meager void]

Theres your answer

[queen tapir]

🤷‍♂️

[meager anchor]

so it looks like you boosted (i know you didnt) and are low ilvl

yea i can see the problem

[south kayak]

man you're gonna have trouble getting into 7s with a 610

no matter what

it's not a warrior issue

[nocturne dragon]

The problem is he apply as dps, no one wants dps warrior right now, unless your own key.

[meager void]

Nope that's not the problem

Thats the ez excuse

[meager anchor]

idk im 627 at 2450 and i get invites alright (also ive never raided so its all M+ geared)

[queen tapir]

I mean to +7's is kinda wild no ?

[meager void]

Nope it is not

[queen tapir]

like look at this shit

i am trying to get into a 7 gb

as well

🤣

[meager void]

Yeah that's aweful

[eager thorn]

Just get ur lower ones up

[meager anchor]

run a SV

[queen tapir]

yeah no one invites to a sv

was treying to get into a 6 sv

since yesterday

0 i am telling you 0

invites

[meager void]

Why would anyone invite you when the options have 10s across the board or has decent main io

[eager thorn]

Go 5

[opaque lintel]

Bro

I climbed by doing +1 on each dungeon

[eager thorn]

Its annoying to go up in 1s sure but you’d be further ahead than ur current 0 invites

[queen tapir]

all good

run my +10

get carried by randoms

🤣

[opaque lintel]

All 9s 2500

All 10s 2600

[meager void]

Letme make it very clear. The problem is not being warrior or the role you apply as.

[nocturne dragon]

@opaque lintel how can all 9s and 10s same 2400 io? Shouldn’t the all 10s higher?

Oh you just fix it

[opaque lintel]

Yeah lel

[queen tapir]

Ì mean my main IO is visible

[meager anchor]

you need 5 10's and the rest 9's for 2500 i think

[queen tapir]

to these troglodytes

[meager void]

And that io is?

[meager anchor]

just takes longer if you aint meta

cap your gilded and get your IO up

[opaque lintel]

I mean

[manic gulch]

blame blizz for making m+ a hard chore this season

[nocturne dragon]

Nah2 seif just mistype earlier he typed all 9s and all 10s both 2400 but he fixed it

[meager anchor]

got it

[opaque lintel]

Its impossible for me to get inv to +12

[manic gulch]

nobody is risking bricking a key by inviting anyone in

[meager anchor]

now this i believe

either get friends or idk

[opaque lintel]

Im 629ilvl 2740 io

Yet 0 inv

[heavy nacelle]

I never thought these words would come out of my mouth but.... why is my arcane mage MUCH easier to play than my fury warrior? I thought this was supposed to be an easy spec, there's so much to keep track of I forget to even pay attention to my CD's and defensives, rotation takes all my brain power

[opaque lintel]

People be 2400 io 7/8 normal and i get declined

[manic gulch]

what is there to track

just zug zug

[heavy nacelle]

well

[manic gulch]

[opaque lintel]

I have no friends

[heavy nacelle]

enrage uptime, whirlwind stacks and then if you got the empowered versions of BT and RB and if execute is up and then which one has prio over the other

[opaque lintel]

Least i have AH mount

Ao theres that

[fiery harbor]

step aside ret paladins, there's a new 2nd place dungeon dps in town

[heavy nacelle]

i'm always like "fuck im not enraged" or "fuck i dont have ww stacks"

[opaque lintel]

Soon tm

[meager void]

Thats what the kids call skill-issue and it goes away with reps

[meager anchor]

yea same issue, its why my goal is 10's this season unless i reroll meta which im not doing

[opaque lintel]

Speaking of witch, theres a new bladestorm toy in tanaris

That bladestorms u for 10min. 1min cd

[meager void]

Lol you dont need meta for 10s

[opaque lintel]

Lovely toy

[half cargo]

Not worth doing anything higher than the max vault unless you're genuinely going for title

[wicked glade]

You see there are people different keeping track of ww stacks etc is for me easier then dumb ass touch of the magi xD

[meager anchor]

we are talking about 13's etc

[fiery harbor]

unless you jump

[half cargo]

Game is far more fun and efficient that way

[opaque lintel]

#justdontjumo

[fiery harbor]

cool thing to afk in town in

[opaque lintel]

U cant afk

Tho

Too long and u get dazed

U gotta move

Sadly

[fiery harbor]

oh shit it turns into a tornado??

[nocturne dragon]

He said he only aims 10 because he don’t play meta classes. If he want to aim higher then he has to go meta, that is what he mean.

[opaque lintel]

Yeah

But

Too long and u get stunned

[fiery harbor]

oh yeah im stunned damn

[meager anchor]

purely pugging yes

[summer crater]

True, but people act like they do when inviting in pugs

[meager void]

Well yeah, atm the hardest key level done, besides the cheesed one, are a tall order for most.

[south kayak]

hc SIlken

[ornate gust]

which ability is that? 🧐

[south kayak]

was trying out thane AM

not bad

idk if that's a good dps

[opaque lintel]

I just wrote

[meager void]

Its not a your thing. Its a game hard thing

[opaque lintel]

Its a toy

Bladestorm toy

Makes u bladestorm for 10min if moving

[opaque lintel]

Good practis

[fiery harbor]

herod toy

[meager anchor]

i mean im fine with it, i did KSM during each shadowlands eason and was happy with that, but really to do the high end stuff pugging you need to be meta or consistent group or atleast a couple friends

[opaque lintel]

"One day my bladestorm will be good"

[nocturne dragon]

Name?

[fiery harbor]

bruh

[nocturne dragon]

I wanna bladestorm as prot

[opaque lintel]

Practis ravager

[opaque lintel]

[ornate gust]

this is should be our animation not a toy thing ! wtf balizzrd

[nocturne salmon]

i wonder which hero talents we will play after buffs

[fiery harbor]

this should be a warrior flying mount

just spin off into the sunset

[nocturne salmon]

im currently slayer in raid for the most part and the other one in m+

[fiery harbor]

slayer fury should still top ST

[meager anchor]

i mean they kinda said it in the updates chan

[nocturne dragon]

Well raid probably still slayer, M+ might go to thane.

[nocturne salmon]

i was thinking that would be the case

[hollow mirage]

wait whaaaa, what be this 😮

[meager anchor]

M+ thane is the only way to go unless you really hate it

[fiery harbor]

we just answered like 3 times xd

[nocturne salmon]

atm in m+ both seem pretty much equal

[fiery harbor]

its from tanaris event place

[nocturne salmon]

since both hero talents are clearing around the same key levels from what i can see

[meager anchor]

there you go

[hollow mirage]

lol i just got here and am tired, hard work being a warrior currently, brain sleep atm 😛

[fiery harbor]

nw

[nocturne salmon]

i do like arms being great in st. it kinda fits

[gleaming siren]

Yea cause you can stay asleep for 50% of the encounter and then start saving up for a new keyboard after frying your execute button

[pure echo]

So if we’re finally getting a damage buff when will we see a -threat aura nerf? I know I’m not insane thinking our damage isn’t that strong to be able to pull aggro even in our current (live) weakened state vs say frost DK.

[south kayak]

That's because we do our damage faster than frost dks

[pure echo]

And yeah I know our burst go brr, but it shouldn’t be that noticeable to immediately pull threat even when not using cds

Like my life is often in danger in raid, thank god I tank keys

[nocturne salmon]

lmao

[pure echo]

Regardless of that, our damage isn’t that much faster, at least looking at details. I’m often waiting until DK’s or whoever else has cds using their shit, even sitting on them for up to 5s and die.

[gleaming siren]

Arms is actually I think the worst spec I have played

[south kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/700905552116711536/1260038814227890176/absolute-cinema-cinema.gif

[warm crag]

If you pull threat without cds then your tank is afk or you charge whirlwinded a pack that wasn't in combat

You do literally no damage or threat without cds

[pure echo]

Nah, i’m talking about raid lol. Still have some issues on MT fights. Brood is a good example.

[gleaming siren]

Pulling threat on spiders is a tank skill issue generally

[pure echo]

Pretty sure this week or last I died to a spider without pressing cds

[warm crag]

Then your tank is afk but you can't rip spider aggro without cds

[south kayak]

that's a tank issue

no way you pull aggro from those

[pure echo]

🫥

[warm crag]

Sure fury is always first in line to die to threat issues but this doesn't matter at all

[south kayak]

-20% threat pls

[warm crag]

Someone else would just die if fury had no aggro and you'd wipe all the same

[pure echo]

I still feel (no data to support this) our threat is greater than any other dps class. Even in ST

Would really help in keys and just general situations I think idk

And my specific situation maybe

I kinda think blizzard is always having an arms race with tanks and threat. I get that it should matter, but even if tanks push their buttons suboptimally for threat they should still have a threat lead if they’re actually doing something

[warm crag]

Tanks do have a threat lead

99% of deaths are cause tanks are afk or the fury player presses cds before the tank finished gathering the pack

[pale lava]

easy fix: buff threat so this never happens

[pure echo]

Well I guess a stronger lead. Like I don’t often have problems with it in keys but on the rare occasion a dps will just burst and pull aggro.

[pale lava]

everyone is happy

[eager thorn]

im not

dont remove smth just cos ppl are dumb

[pale lava]

ur take on threat is bad

but sure

[pure echo]

And I’m 630 in prot gear, have a max ilvl weapon and using thunder blast/shield slam on prio targets lol

And use my cds on cd. Idk just think it need a lil buff across the board

[pale lava]

nah bro skill issue for sure, definitely not threat being turbo fucked

I love randoms telling me threat is ok

[dusty geyser]

can you avoid the drake's knockback and damage in grim batol using bladestorm ?

[summer crater]

This is why I often use the transmitter as they gather up

[eager thorn]

he called me a random :(

[south kayak]

why does threat even exist

just remove it

just like parry

[pale lava]

damage no, knockback yes

[south kayak]

fuck parry

[pure echo]

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion lol. I just think a lil threat buff is healthy for everyone.

And doesn’t cause issues with tanks or dps

[summer crater]

Just play with a paladin now and even one 50 ilvls below you can hold any threat

[pale lava]

that's a mechanic that is just objectively trash

[pure echo]

Probably knockback, but not damage. Just LOS. 😄

[pale lava]

only if the opinion isn't just complete trash

[pure echo]

Is prot paladin very strong now? I’m getting the itch to play an alt finally

[pale lava]

not sure post fix

[pure echo]

Hey I’m just trying to be nice.

[summer crater]

They're doing a ton of damage/threat right now at least

[pale lava]

even after bug fix?

[eager thorn]

idk why ur so mad that i dont think threat is a bad mech

[summer crater]

Not sure

[pale lava]

you missed my point entirely, won't bother anymore explaining why threat needs a buff

[summer crater]

Two days ago I helped out in a +2 SV and the tank was 580 or so but could still hold aggro

[pure echo]

I think threat is a fine mechanic if threat isn’t difficult to gain. In the current state of WoW everyone presses buttons immediately to do numbers, and if you don’t “you’re bad.”

[eager thorn]

ye hard to see a point when you just call me a random and say my opinion is trash but w.e man you do you

[summer crater]

While similarly geared bears/prot warriors not so seldom lose it

(625 like me that is)

[meager void]

Aggro issues are either dps not giving a GCDs or two to establish threat. Or a rotation problem on the tank.

[pale lava]

blood dk and guardian are the biggest offenders in my keys atm regarding threay

[pure echo]

Idk if anyone spoke to this yet, but with the buffs is there talk of potentially prioritizing bloodbath/thirst over crushing/raging blow? Since reap will be stronger and so will those 2 buttons I could potentially see that being the case in AOE, where you prio bloodbath vs crush to fish for procs.

[viscid zephyr]

do you prio raging blow over bloodbath next patch?

[pale lava]

maybe, sims will tell us that soon

[south kayak]

you never prio raging blow over bloodbath

[opaque lintel]

this is how i move around from now on

[viscid zephyr]

oh damn

[south kayak]

[pure echo]

Tho I do wish reap proc chance were more like 25% or a predetermined chance to proc like bloodcraze (after so many casts or casts of other things etc)

Rng be rnging

[opaque lintel]

[warm crag]

It's a 67% chance to proc it in aoe you won't see much variance with that over long periods of time

[south kayak]

VARIANCE BATCHEST

[pure echo]

Yes, that’s not what I’m saying. Obv you use empowered versions first, the Q is if bloodbath/thirst will gain prio in either ST, or bath in aoe vs crush

[south kayak]

I didn't asnwer you

someone else asked that

[pure echo]

Oh wait am I dumb and not realizing it has a chance to proc per enemy hit?

[south kayak]

We'll never know unless someone fixes the APL

after buffs

[warm crag]

Yes but u can't proc more than one

At least the 5x 20% is how it's implemented in simc

[pure echo]

Oh interesting. I did not realize that, but I still played prioing thirst vs raging anyway. I’m definitely thinking the reap buff might push bath over crushing in aoe then

[queen tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

key got depleted

cause of 1 single wipe

amazing

rogue and pala dying in last boss

rogue dies 3 times in a row

after 3 cr''s

BAHAHAHAHA

you cant make this shit up man

and now i have a dea dkey

[lean wasp]

I see the dooming starting to work, couple more tweets, YouTube complains, memes and we are on to something

[warm crag]

Already was at like >5 targets iirc

It doesn't really matter anyways since you will always press both

[south kayak]

and if it doesn't matter then you still wanna use RB to buff BB/BT

[earnest meteor]

any 5 target kings ?

[bronze merlin]

When you find out your spear macro had "spear of bastion" instead of "champion's spear" this entire expansion cause u hadn't played it since shadowlands

[earnest meteor]

wait its called champion spear ?

[summer crater]

Gemini giving answers on WoW

[bronze merlin]

Yes

[earnest meteor]

[pure echo]

Oh bath was suggested to use over crushing? I guess wowhead prio for MT was wrong last I checked

[gleaming siren]

YEEEES AI slop

[south kayak]

is tanking a 10 gonna be hard if I don't tank that much?

[gleaming siren]

Eh

Press Block press Ignore Pain play Thane and press Shield Wall when you are in danger and you'll be fine for most of it

[south kayak]

I tanked an 8 NW yday and it was fine except for a pack that spammed this boneflay shit on me

even in cds

[gleaming siren]

Bonus points if Ara-Kara I think it's literally impossible to die there

[gleaming siren]

Boneflay pack can hurt a bit but it can also be a bit misleading since it reduces your max HP

[south kayak]

oh that's probably why lol

[gleaming siren]

So it might look like you're taking dick but you're not really

Just can't stack it too high but ye the damage you take will look like it's a lot higher than it really is

[south kayak]

is there something to avoid in mists

doing a 10 mists lmao

it's so easy to get invited as a tank

wtf

even tho i never timed a 10 mists lol

[gleaming siren]

Reflect Soul Splits in first/second pack

Not the Bolts

And reflect Guardian dot in Maze

[south kayak]

oh okay

[gleaming siren]

If 2 Guardians reflect one on one set and Wall the other set

Otherwise mostly free if you can kick Mistcaller

[south kayak]

ok

[gleaming siren]

(Hard mechanic cause I am dumb)

[south kayak]

lmao

[south kayak]

What's hte name of it

[gleaming siren]

Anima Slash

[south kayak]

ok

[gleaming siren]

They never sync casts but you still generally can't reflect back-to-back sets

[warm crag]

10 mists is piss

just press your buttons and kick 2nd boss

[south kayak]

it's very hard to reflect splits lmao

[warm crag]

u gotta prereflect that

if ur talking abt the first area trash

[south kayak]

yeah

[gleaming siren]

Yea you uhh make sure Bolts are stopped/not on you

Then press reflect at start pretty much

Can Shockwave to sync them

And then look at nameplate cooldowns to time the next reflects

Can kite them and they wont cast till youre in range

It's a good reflect

[narrow narwhal]

📝

[iron portal]

@hard widget calm down

[hasty dagger]

Fappa clap

[idle ember]

holy shit was in the woods no service last few days and just saw the patch notes.....

christmas in october

we are so back

[fiery hare]

how behind are we vs god classes after buffs? 😄

[signal locust]

Thinking about going smf, I've grown find of the abuse fury has shown me

[eternal lance]

[fiery storm]

surely we are back with the recent buffs right?! lol

[trail bane]

Depends on what you mean with "back"

[fiery storm]

my dps felt really shitty on aoe fights compared to before nerfs ill say that lol

[slow haven]

bigback

[trail bane]

We will probably be middle of the pack on single target and non-shit in m+

[fiery storm]

well thank the lords cause single target is so god damn ass rn

[trail bane]

yup

its a good buff

[fiery storm]

i used to be able to make up for it when aoe parts came out but last nerf just kicked tht in the teeth as well

[silk wasp]

do we use thane in m+?

[unborn sparrow]

Does m than have different stat prio than slayer?

[fervent yoke]

I’m happy we got buffs but aren’t we gonna still be doo doo? We need something worth taking over other melee

[nocturne salmon]

cant you just spam click charge

[fiery storm]

anyone else feel like it was blizzard plan the entire time to buff single target but realized they cant do that without nerfing our aoe?

[brittle dock]

personality.

[fiery storm]

but than again why wouldnt they have done that in one patch so probably not ... giving blizz too much credit for critically thinking lol

[red berry]

the buffs are nice

they're not bad

[bronze merlin]

Yeah I mean unless warrior is ahead of everything in damage groups still need brez, lust, and want beefier melee. So invites aren't gunna be that much better

Just run your own key

[fiery storm]

i never worry about invites i take that out of the equation all together and go prot for m+ lol

[bronze merlin]

Or go prot yeah haha

[south kayak]

that mists 10 i tanked did not go well

lmao

@warm crag

[clever belfry]

noober

hard r

[south kayak]

the entire group was not good but i did make a lot of mistakes

[velvet canopy]

46 seconds overtime isn't that bad .... oh

[south kayak]

this is my first tanked 10

and i've never tanked mists

so this tells me i should not be tanking

good to know

[meager void]

If I managed to decently tank, anyone can.

[brittle dock]

learning on a 10 sounds like a good plan

[south kayak]

thought it would be easier

[meager void]

You would think but its also true that 9s are just faceroll in comparison

[south kayak]

Since I don't wanna dps

i'll just tank

[fiery storm]

if u never tanked, 10 is not the way to practice lmfao

[meager void]

You can still see a ton of 9s across the board tanks that just cant gap into 10s

[south kayak]

I did tank before

Just not taht specific key

yday I did 8 nw and it went fine

[fiery storm]

thts as good as not tanking haha cause u dont know all the little specifcs u can get away with that in a 4 not a 10 haha

[opaque lintel]

so i was really bored and "talked" to chat gpt about fury dps

oh boy

[fiery storm]

10 more weeks of nerfs?

or do we get an early buff

[hard widget]

Hehe

[south kayak]

that's ok, im not gonna tank 10s anymore, but im not going dps this week

even if i could, i won't be invited to 10s as dps anyway

[keen fulcrum]

Who got the haste? I got the haste.

[fiery storm]

ya i dont bother dpsing keys anymroe, waste of my energy lol

[keen fulcrum]

Shiiiit.

I dunno who told me to recraft my shit to mastery/vers. You right, you right.

[nocturne dragon]

because?

[warm crag]

what went wrong noob

[south kayak]

died to 2 guardians

then mistcaller went wrong because people were slow on killing clones and i didn't interrupt party cake

because I somehow used it somwhere else

maybe i fatfingered it

[velvet canopy]

Not at all. The game desperately needs more tanks, and Prot tank is good. The hardest part, by far, is knowing routes and pulls, which only comes with practice

[wicked glade]

Serious question

Is fury warrior faster then other specs APM wise?

[brittle dock]

There was a site with that info: https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW1_Raid.html

[wicked glade]

Only with fury warrior i have some weird input delays and idk if its a fps thing because connection is stable bit it takes like half a.second or bit less after rampage until RB and BB are reacting feels weird dont know if gcd speed is the matter or some Hardware/addon

[brittle dock]

Fury war near the top at 68 apm.

[outer rover]

Hey Bro xD

[keen fulcrum]

Oh that's dps only.

[south kayak]

[keen fulcrum]

Wait

That's not what I was thinking it was

[iron portal]

One could say.... It tanked

[outer rover]

Yeah we all failed a bit ^^

[brittle dock]

Ohh, i should rename my tank "bricked."

[vapid tiger]

Any dps getting bugged? I just did 1.72M dps in a 10 NW with no Aug. Can't be right

[clever belfry]

what is this even supposed to mean

[fair raft]

Question for Mythic Ovinax and the changes announced yesterday, are we going Thane for this fight next week? Or even Arms ?!

[clever belfry]

thane is kinda iffy on that fight cause u cant self break roots

i would not play it unless ure dwarf ngl

u also dont have immune on the sets that happen during parasite (u are normally spinning)

[south kayak]

Anyone have a good plater profile?

[clever belfry]

just get jundies

[queen tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO4NJsTAPg

[south kayak]

I don't know who that is

[clever belfry]

i will not gon on wago

[eager thorn]

wait u can interrupt that

[clever belfry]

to type this out for u

[south kayak]

the tank interrupts that

[sick jungle]

jundies plater is goated

[clever belfry]

i changed it a bit around

[south kayak]

ok I found it anyway

[clever belfry]

cause i didnt like the castbar

but its quite good

[south kayak]

let me see

ok I do like this thanks

[crisp prism]

Maybe next week we play non of build with vicious contempt

for keys

[vapid tiger]

If you wanted to be flexible to go fury/arms would it be the least detrimental to make your crafted items Crit/Mastery?

[crisp prism]

last time i played double spec i had 2 sets of crafted items

[vapid tiger]

Yeah, debated that. Still need all the gilded to upgrade mythic gear. Maybe on reset I can afford it and not upgrade a few things

[crisp prism]

Tbf arms damage diff isnt even significant

and survivability kinda sucks

[inner shadow]

feelsgoodman

525/630

[gaunt egret]

Is it me or do I feel like there is an input delay play fury

[keen fulcrum]

It's you

[frank dawn]

The game has been laggy this week tho with the patch

[shy copper]

Damn fury eating good with the buffs

[frank dawn]

You might be feeling that

[inner shadow]

did you guys know that you don't need to stand still inside this the whole time until you get buff, if you sstand 1 second, and then move out, you still get buff regardless?

[shy copper]

But i dont get why nerf them to just buff them 1 week later lol

[south kayak]

lmao what

of course we did

[south kayak]

Different things are buffed/nerfed

AoE burst was nerfed

AoE/ST sustained is buffed now

[frank dawn]

Good changes, and generous ones if we’re being honest lol

[vapid tiger]

Yeah ...

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/generous-god-gif-11629859

blizzard devs

[crisp prism]

Tbf if they revert of roar cap change we might be ok ish

after these buffs

[inner harbor]

it also always spawns 45° from your character

[warm crag]

the roar cap certainly did a lot to fury mass aoe

[south kayak]

roar cap barely affected it because the dot doesn't have an aoe cap

[inner shadow]

for that i know

but the fact u dont need to stand in it

for long

[inner harbor]

i'll try it out you better not lie to me

[inner shadow]

go on

[warm crag]

you need to get 4 stacks and each stack takes like 0.5 seconds to get

except for the first one which is instant iirc

[inner shadow]

nope

less than 2 seconds

[warm crag]

yeah if the first stack is instant and each one takes half a second after that it is indeed less than 2 seconds

[inner shadow]

about 1 sec

[chilly plume]

dude the other fury and i were talking about that on brood, initial hit is about 2% of our damage and the DOT is like 15%

[lapis slate]

Math hard

[wide python]

what do you guys think about dracthyr warrior? could that be a thing? i cant find any sims for the race or something on bloodmallet

[warm crag]

you can just sim it yourself

offensively its nothing special

you get tail swipe thats abt it

[keen fulcrum]

Double jumpies

[crisp prism]

i dont think tail swipe is worth swapping dwarf racial

or nelf racial

[topaz olive]

how good is fury wary gonna be after buffs?

[crisp prism]

mediocre at best

[manic nest]

Heyguys, simple question, should I use my BStorm only when fully stacked in MM+ or on CD?

[past pivot]

wary

[warm crag]

still good in raid probs fine in m+

[crisp prism]

i think we gonna provide good boss damage on m+ tho

[frank dawn]

Our boss damage gonna be real good in m+

[crisp prism]

only thing i'm afraid is spear might be a thing

cuz of / roar being touched too much

[digital mauve]

But they nerfed the damage beyond 5 tzrget not the effect ?

[crisp prism]

it still hits hard

[frank dawn]

Meh maybe. But even when spear was “significantly” stronger in DF it was only like 1.5-2% that quickly shrunk to less than 1% plus ease of use

[digital mauve]

So it's not relevant?

[short silo]

Are there sims already for Fury Thane vs Slayer ST in Multitargetbuilds?

[topaz olive]

😭

[past pivot]

yes. Updates

channel

[warm crag]

the target cap nerf doesn matter for roar since they nerfed the initial impact (no damage) not the dot it leaves after (big damage)

[frank dawn]

#updates-midnight

[warm crag]

and you just drop OF probably lol

[crisp prism]

yeah i also assume dropping of

[modest condor]

thane came a little bit closer but slayer still ahead

[crisp prism]

and if you drop of you take vicious contempt i guess

[short silo]

I only see single target sims in ST Builds but not MT Builds

[digital mauve]

Yeah what I said

[crisp prism]

that might lead to spear

high bloodbath / bloodthirst crits

[short silo]

Ah okay thanks

[crisp prism]

time will tell i guess

any buff is appreciated

lets see what will happen next wednesday

[brazen palm]

Loving your optimism fury is dead