And lava fist is deflect…
#fury
nimble ermine
ye but slash does big damage if reflect
nimble ermine
i still dont know why we cant reflect the ice daggers from 2nd boss in cot
at least let me deflect
heavy dock
Idk it looks aoe ish to me
nimble ermine
i legit feel like im throwing if im not on slayer in that dungeon
heavy dock
But then again idk
nimble ermine
no the thing i mean are those ice bolts
she throws at each individual player
slayer is no bigge cus you charge the debuff off
heavy dock
U can reflect the fkin shadow thats on you to execute you in kyveza
nimble ermine
but on thane i have to eat it
inland flame
There are a few bosses that have reflectable normalish things but no huge tank busters like Dargrul or Balakar Khan
heavy dock
At any point in the fight u press reflect, you get feedback
heavy dock
I mean how, they are all deflects
nimble ermine
idk why i have my rampage on m4
nimble ermine
nah idk easier to spam for me
heavy dock
I have it on 5
gusty cloak
how should my dmg breakdown look like?
heavy dock
Play am thane
nimble ermine
if only fury had a cd like what predator engraving is like..
heavy dock
My wardancer wasnt that fast, just always clean rotation
nimble ermine
i mean i was just such a fucking animal on that spec
it was so fun
i remember somehow on akkan i managed to hit 30 exhaustion stacks
i still had to end my burst
opal zenith
is there napkin math out on the tuning yet for fury
inner shadow
after 10 hours of gruesome m8s farming
26 crest left and i would be done (for now) with crest
nimble ermine
holy p2w gamer
faint whale
how many keys i did?
Raiderio
sage karma
Man I never really tried fury cause I just didn't vibe with the spec fantasy
but I tried it these last few days
it's comfy af
crude ridge
Anyone notice the timing is off for the last boss in Ara? Or was this a fix?
nimble ermine
no fix
crude ridge
Boss was doing the pull in at 0 instead of 1 second and yonked my ass out the air
sage karma
dunno I did it yesterday and it was fine
wait til it bops you up then leap
if that's changed that sucks
crude ridge
I did it fine all the time
oblique raft
damn i gear up a fdk well...
faint whale
I ran ara 12 didnt have any issues
edgy widget
Unless there are no bloods to take, I would highly recommend leaping early and getting rooted instead, it's infinitely safer than trying to time the suck (whether you think you can do it fine all the time or not)
crude ridge
Now it's not pulling me at 1 sec but at 0 and im in the air at that point
edgy widget
you can break the root immediately with a stun, so the amount of downtime shouldn't be much if any different if you do it right
crude ridge
Yeah I'll have to do that now but I just noticed it wasn't doing the normal at 1 sec pull like it did a million times before
mild elbow
is there anything I should try to farm for from BRD?
sage karma
Were you waiting til your character gets hit up before leaping or just going off the number?
hasty tide
you can break the root immediately with a stun, so the amount of downtime should...
Interrupt as well breaks it
edgy widget
is there anything I should try to farm for from BRD?
the polearm can be minorly useful in ST, but otherwise just ilevel
edgy widget
Interrupt as well breaks it
I thought so but couldn't remember
crude ridge
Were you waiting til your character gets hit up before leaping or just going off...
it always did 1 last pull at 1 second and I would always leap right after that pull
crude wigeon
you can break the root immediately with a stun, so the amount of downtime should...
the patch notes said “some changes will occur immediately and some will adjust on reset”
do you know if the warrior updates went out already or are we waiting until tuesday
hasty tide
I thought so but couldn't remember
It didn't at first, they patched it in later lol
crude ridge
so you're saying it's pulling twice?
no it's still pulling once but it's no longer pulling at 1 but at the end of the cast
nimble ermine
idk man
sage karma
if it pulled at the end of the cast no one would die tho 
sage karma
It goes pull -> 1s -> boom
nimble ermine
you are fucking it up
hard widget
If u want to do the leap, u gotta wait till the “last pull in event” which happens at about 0.5 sec where u go slightly up in the air. U leap here and wont get dragged back in
crude ridge
I've done it a million times
hard widget
If you leap earlier u get pulled back
crude ridge
yeah ik that
nimble ermine
safest i found to be is just 0.9 into leap into charge back
prob latency
game been fucky wucky
sage karma
I just use the knock-up as the cue
crude ridge
soon as I see 1 sec left on the cast I would leap and was safe every time
sage karma
never died to it
hard widget
I just use the knock-up as the cue
This exactly
edgy widget
the patch notes said “some changes will occur immediately and some will adjust o...
I didn't see anything about immediate changes, but these kinds almost always happen on the reset
crude ridge
did it just now twice and died both times
it would pull me right out of the air mid leap
nimble ermine
idk the game hates you
hard widget
did it just now twice and died both times
3rd times the charm 
lean heart
make sure when u leap into blood you DO NOT have spell reflect up becus it will cancel the root lmao
nimble ermine
do you perchance have video evidence
crude ridge
it does cause the trinket dropped and i still didn;t get it
sage karma
Tho actually I did get yoinked midair when I was playing prot the other day
but I just chalked it up to me fucking up
but it felt weird
edgy widget
I haven't gotten any hotfix alerts either, so I don't believe anything went through today
white nest
i feel something changed because i just did a 9 and pumped
nimble ermine
make sure when u leap into blood you DO NOT have spell reflect up becus it will ...
haha yeah imagine doing that
crude ridge
I'm thinking maybe the instance was cucked
edgy widget
3rd times the charm <:keks:936231610850897992>
this is exactly why I don't recommend getting fancy with it
nimble ermine
its tyra this week no?
crude wigeon
I didn't see anything about immediate changes, but these kinds almost always hap...
why are all the eu warrior players already playing mountain thane this week in high keys. I can’t find that information anywhere in faq or any guide
lean heart
haha yeah imagine doing that
definitely never done that before nope 
edgy widget
"it works every time"
except that one time when it failed 4x in a row...
nimble ermine
definitely never done that before nope <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
haha me neither nope
also found out if half the pool is on a ledge at the edge of the arena
it wont work
edgy widget
why are all the eu warrior players already playing mountain thane this week in h...
Cause Mountain Thane got good in the last round of hotfixes 2 weeks ago
today's hotfixes didn't touch it, except to increase lightning strike damage
hard widget
why are all the eu warrior players already playing mountain thane this week in h...
I played am slayer and im eu 😦
crude ridge
this is exactly why I don't recommend getting fancy with it
it's super easy to do and I could pull it off no problem just noticed it was not working like it used to so was unsure if it was patched or if anyone else noticed it being delayed
lean heart
why are all the eu warrior players already playing mountain thane this week in h...
think thane gets better the higher you go becus the mobs live longer so slayer burst isnt as strong
nimble ermine
am slayer feels fun but it also feels like im a terrorist running it
edgy widget
it's super easy to do and I could pull it off no problem just noticed it was not...
it's super easier to just leap into the blood and interrupt/stun your way out in the same amount of time without the risk of death
hard widget
it's super easy to do and I could pull it off no problem just noticed it was not...
It is not patched, just a minmax that isnt worth the risk 99/100 times
U aint depleting on 5 globals
And if u do, then u got other problems to solve
edgy widget
it feels fun to nail those things, I just don't see it as worth the risk; even if it only goes wrong 1/10 times, that's too many for me lol
crude wigeon
Cause Mountain Thane got good in the last round of hotfixes 2 weeks ago
today's ...
so the WoWhead guide isnt it thenn.
what keystone is considered the break point between going thane or swapping slayer
lean heart
ive tried doing it maybe like 5 times and have only managed 1 so im just not gonna bother im just gonna leap into blood lmao
eager thorn
It is not patched, just a minmax that isnt worth the risk 99/100 times
i just do it cos the leap is easier than the blood for me
edgy widget
so the WoWhead guide isnt it thenn.
what keystone is considered the break point...
? Wowhead and IV guides also promote Thane as the M+ build (and optionally for Silken Court), as does #1273899855852339200
nimble ermine
ive tried doing it maybe like 5 times and have only managed 1 so im just not gon...
ur not a true gambler
lean heart
unforch
edgy widget
yeah but at least he's alive 
hard widget
yeah but at least he's alive <a:peepolaugh:890741791928754206>
I SAW THAT WINNY THE POO EMOJI
crude ridge
Hey I would normally be alive if the timer was working like before lmao
lean heart
arakara timer is giga free at least on like 10s and 11s you have so much time for last boss
hard widget
Caught in 4k
keen fulcrum
Are we spear users now?
hard widget
Are we spear users now?
In raid st yes
edgy widget
I SAW THAT WINNY THE POO EMOJI
hardy cargo
I just intentionally die on last boss AK and let the other 4 play it while I go grab snacks 
nimble ermine
so true
hard widget
<a:poohdance:731872245127053393>
Goated emoji
edgy widget
Hey I would normally be alive if the timer was working like before lmao
I'm very certain the timer didn't change, maybe you lagged a bit or something
keen fulcrum
Boutta have my 636 bracers and weapon
crude ridge
bout to make me run it back to confirm
edgy widget
do it, you won't
crude ridge
bet
edgy widget
person dies and claims "must be a bug" was a long running meme in my guild for a reason
hard widget
As if he’s getting invited
ruby osprey
would affix change things on that cast ?
nimble ermine
no?
crude ridge
no
edgy widget
na
hardy cargo
person dies and claims "must be a bug" was a long running meme in my guild for a...
Our running meme is a (failed) trial prot warrior not pressing shield wall, dying, and when being asked why he said “it’s just a lot of damage” LOL
stuck spindle
did the brd polearm flame wrath get a ppm nerf? It procced twice as much yesterdat compared to today
nimble ermine
man if only there was a way to reduce incoming damage by using a cd
crude wigeon
in the wowhead description doesnt state keystone differences outside of burst and sustained/less ST
I wonder when the number break point should start. It would vary from comp to comp but i’m sure it would be noticeable at a certain keystone.
nimble ermine
the answer is
hardy cargo
man if only there was a way to reduce incoming damage by using a cd
I can’t think of anything off the top of my head
hard widget
in the wowhead description doesnt state keystone differences outside of burst an...
There is no break points. Higher keys = pack lives longer = burst dmg less bueno
edgy widget
the answer is play what you want, don't look for arbitrary criteria to make a decision for you
crude ridge
Aight running it back. Be back in like 20 for the confirmation xD
hard widget
Sustained dmg = more bueno
nimble ermine
the answer is play what you want, don't look for arbitrary criteria to make a de...
i feel like so many people overlook this
crude ridge
We die or live
edgy widget
Aight running it back. Be back in like 20 for the confirmation xD
better post the vod
crude ridge
I'll have a vod
nimble ermine
we'll be waiting
hardy cargo
Aight running it back. Be back in like 20 for the confirmation xD
Popping the popcorn now
crude ridge
xD
edgy widget
i feel like so many people overlook this
it's kinda human nature, people always want an easy straightforward answer, whereas most things are not really that simple
edgy widget
I'll have a vod
#announcements message
ready to put it in the "epic fails" category
hard widget
“Last message 05:35” never to be seen again
nimble ermine
it's kinda human nature, people always want an easy straightforward answer, wher...
true yeah, i tend to forget that most people just want the easy way out
crude ridge
I'll accept the roast with open arms if im wrong
nimble ermine
were you fighting back until now
hard widget
I'll accept the roast with open arms if im wrong
I did it today multiple times
crude ridge
I did it today multiple times
That's why I'm thinking the instance was cucked
hard widget
That's why I'm thinking the instance was cucked
The instance? 😂
grim topaz
after buff, back to RA ? still AM?
hard widget
I think the atomic clock was off by 0.005 seconds making your leap slightly late
crude ridge
I've done it 999,998 times
crude wigeon
it's kinda human nature, people always want an easy straightforward answer, wher...
tbh i’ve been pushing keys as a non-meta warrior pick for years. i look at the guide writers as subject matter experts and I use my freethinking from their opinions. I just came back two weeks ago and was looking for fast information to catch up
hard widget
Jupiter alligned with saturn making the static field from pluto slightly more attractive pulling you back into the boss
edgy widget
all the info is there in the guides - Thane was buffed 2 weeks ago which is why it's currently ahead on the high end
nimble ermine
i mean of kinda ate shit
edgy widget
Slayer is still fine, and it's even burstier/slightly more ST, which is potentially useful information to some players (remember, all sorts of people read guides, both the +2 heroes and the +12 faceroller)
hard widget
Which one are you archi?
nimble ermine
+20 pusher
hardy cargo
+2 depleter 
hard widget
I heard Archi got banned from competing in the TGP because it would be unfair to the competitors, just saying
nimble ermine
i mean tbh if you want a more realistic answer, slayer is better in <10 keys
packs die too quickly in there
crude wigeon
Slayer is still fine, and it's even burstier/slightly more ST, which is potentia...
I’m tracking. thank you for your hard work. degenerates like me appreciate it.
hybrid karma
Single Target buffs are perfect for Kyveza prog with the guild
cedar depot
all the info is there in the guides - Thane was buffed 2 weeks ago which is why ...
question for you. I'm the only war on my raid team. I play fury currently but was thinking of changing it up with arms. Do you consider one spec better than the other for mythic prog?
keen fulcrum
I swap to arms for ^
hybrid karma
yeah single target
nimble ermine
but 
works on court
hybrid karma
i stay fury because i hate current arms
snow edge
On paper Arms is better, but stuff like stat optimisation / familiarity with spec makes a big difference
Especially when they're close(ish)
cedar depot
well i was more thinking how useful fury is on queen for example, would i be gimping my team by going arms as the only war in that regard
keen fulcrum
i stay fury because i hate current arms
Wym dawg? 35% you just fucking smash execute until your genitalia falls off
You don't like doing that?
hybrid karma
imagine pressing rend manually
tbf my hate for arms comes probably mostly from not understanding it properly
orchid dagger
imagine pressing rend manually
you do in single-target
hybrid karma
yeah i know but i hate that button for no reason
radiant sentinel
nimble ermine
give it a shanking animation
hybrid karma
this gif kills me 
hybrid karma
instant favorite
opal sapphire
i expect heavy nerfs after this ngl
edgy widget
my man smiling
so, the FotM reroller suddenly wants to play Warrior again...
edgy widget
ah yes, the least important thing in the raid that also got nerfed 5 times
opal sapphire
i mean, i had that take too in the beginning but tbh adds are very important in like half the fights
edgy widget
don't get me wrong, having a niche is fun, but the only reason Fury was good at it is because it could do it faster than others - if you didn't have a Fury doing it, a DK/DH/Ret/Shaman would kill them just as well while also dealing substantially more single target/cleave
gaunt moat
Archim i have a question completely outside of world of warcraft
what were those green looking sticks in your salads
edgy widget
green sticks, duh
opal sapphire
don't get me wrong, having a niche is fun, but the only reason Fury was good at ...
ye i fully agree on this
burnt kelp
Dragon ball z tier I hope
hybrid karma
i convinced my guild to go pure single target on most bosses
burnt kelp
Oh I can change my name now
lament lagoon
ous ST is trash
Im realizing jsut how bad it really is now w silkram
nimble ermine
other than reap buffs its not like they buffed our insta delete the small adds buttons
edgy widget
it's been killing me to know
look at this guy, doesn't even know what green sticks are, smh
gaunt moat
to the left of the right ham
i swear my curiosity is killing me i've been wondering for 2 days
edgy widget
other than reap buffs its not like they buffed our insta delete the small adds b...
they purposefully did not - reap buffs do kinda improve our burst a little (mostly on Brood)
opal sapphire
im mostly thinking if we go thane on brood now or not still
hybrid karma
wtf is this
gaunt moat
a salad
nimble ermine
they purposefully did not - reap buffs do kinda improve our burst a little (most...
yeah exactly
so people saying we'll get nerfed after these buffs its just cope
edgy widget
im mostly thinking if we go thane on brood now or not still
no
nimble ermine
you are lying arent you
edgy widget
"must be a bug" 
"they must have changed the timing!"
"I've done it fine every time before!"
crude ridge
I did it both times no problem that run as it was pulling at 1 second instead of 0 xD
young swan
I am legitimately considering just dropping cshb for UF am I insane
gaunt moat
actually there is a bug on brood since 11.0.5 rn where the boss runs to the canister sooner or later than usual ppl are complaining on reddit
hardy cargo
I am legitimately considering just dropping cshb for UF am I insane
for?
nimble ermine
fuck you
hardy cargo
oh I thought that was a build reference
gaunt moat
but that's the only bug i know
edgy widget
i swear my curiosity is killing me i've been wondering for 2 days
they're baked green peas
crude ridge
And I finally got the sac. Maybe the game loves me again
gaunt moat
they're baked green peas
Thanks a lot i've been eating salad with croutons for 2 days straight because yours looked good
hybrid karma
they look intresting
edgy widget
mostly for the crunch, like a potato stick or croutons
they're light, airy, and don't really taste like much tbh
opal sapphire
i dont much like RA, can we go AM now?
modest condor
I am legitimately considering just dropping cshb for UF am I insane
how the fuck is your cshb damage so low
opal sapphire
or when the buffs drop i guess
young swan
i have no idea
modest condor
are you doing a +2 where everything dies before your cooldowns are over or something
edgy widget
that is inordinately low, usually it's like 4-5%
modest condor
i mean bb is 20% bleed damage, not 100%
edgy widget
yeah but that's not double
modest condor
words is pretty minor
young swan
thsi was bt, not like im just not critting
edgy widget
You could probably get away with dropping it in the Zerker build though
though playing AM, idk if UF would add that much
young swan
yeah i feel like my last talent point is just dead
could take onslaught!
with not tendie!
modest condor
which dungeon and keylevel was that?
edgy widget
or DoI
edgy widget
or just don't take the talent point
nimble ermine
you can put a point in smf...
edgy widget
just leave it empty
cursive ridge
Slayer still gonna be the play for Brood / Ansurek I imagine, even tho Thane is higher sustain aoe?
edgy widget
Those aren't sustain fights
edgy widget
Brood only is if you massively fuck up parasites, at which point you're probably gonna die
cursive ridge
ya wasnt sure if the gap was so wide that it'd still be better, but my intuition is that slayer will remain better
modest condor
most people have around 3.5% damage from cshb in 11 gb
vague sierra
I am a big fan of this am thane build. Finally some real fury play.
edgy widget
Slayer is gonna be better just through stint of dealing its damage faster - Thane also doesn't have as much damage every cycle unless you prestack Thunder Blast, which is an extra complication you don't really need (though you could probably play Flashing Skies for at least one with each Reck)
cursive ridge
Slayer is gonna be better just through stint of dealing its damage faster - Than...
makes sense ty
nimble ermine
idk, if you really dont wanna play with cshb at that point why not just put a point in FM to at least have something
or smf
crude ridge
I am legitimately considering just dropping cshb for UF am I insane
mine is pretty much the same from this last run
opal sapphire
how much overall are you guys doing atm
young swan
i did 1.59m in that gb 11
opal sapphire
i think i have a glaring issue
broken kindle
So are we going thane or slayer for m+ guys?
crude ridge
1.83m in this Ara
crude ridge
Hard to compare M+ cause pull count can vary
crude ridge
I also had an Aug in mine
short cobalt
what spec yall using in dung
nimble ermine
gladiator stance
night creek
how much haste and mastery should we have?
opal sapphire
all of it
broken kindle
Thane gonna be giga BIS m+ wise
night creek
There's not a threshold or something?
opal sapphire
ye thane is gonna slap
but only for higher keys imo
i tried a dawnbreaker 12 yesterday, didnt finish unfortunately, but dmg was really solid as thane
young swan
"terrorist build" apparently
opal sapphire
yea
rigid stirrup
glad thane buffs will make it feel even better
hardy cargo
"terrorist build" apparently
I dropped 1pt in deft for ubf dunno how worth but 🤷♂️
seems like less dam than cshb
nimble ermine
i wanted to go sleep
opal sapphire
glad thane buffs will make it feel even better
looking forward to hitting solid 2m overalls every key
nimble ermine
but i just have to see this build in action
night creek
I have like 27%haste and 42%mastery 16%critical
keen fulcrum
I'm at like 38% haste😂😅
keen fulcrum
I'm fat as fuck
arctic salmon
me too
opal sapphire
32 for me, and I still have pieces i can swap
wraith wharf
I have like 27%haste and 42%mastery 16%critical
how much vers though?
short cobalt
I am trying am thane for 2nd boss on mythic is that bad idea
eager thorn
yes
night creek
3%😂
eager thorn
you want to burst the adds down
wraith wharf
second boss probably wants more burst for adds over long term aoe damage
short cobalt
going back to slayer ):
crude ridge
wym thane is great for 2nd boss
eager thorn
nimble ermine
idk how you have so much haste
eager thorn
sikran neck
alpine steppe
Playing this which is off meta afaik
winter shoal
"terrorist build" apparently
No CSHB with the BT/BB buff is kinda crazy
Esp with UF in there
alpine steppe
Curious am I just spamming Bloodthirst to proc more Thunderblast?
eager thorn
LOL
nimble ermine
Playing this which is off meta afaik
dont play UF actual bastard trap talent
olive wraith
Idek what the other cap stone for am/ra is
median dust
"terrorist build" apparently
Been running this in high keys. About 1.6m atm, bit more in Mists and NW
keen fulcrum
idk how you have so much haste
alpine steppe
dont play UF actual bastard trap talent
I just dropped it lol, but yeah am I just spamming Bloodthirst to proc more TB?
night creek
I hope they can give Die by the Sword back to fury
short cobalt
Been running this in high keys. About 1.6m atm, bit more in Mists and NW
going to try this one I still USe BIZ'
keen fulcrum
Been running this in high keys. About 1.6m atm, bit more in Mists and NW
No hack and slash?
nimble ermine
gete a better ring
midnight plinth
What’s the fury buffs next week
nimble ermine
fuck circle
short cobalt
*biz's spec
summer quail
I hope they can give Die by the Sword back to fury
hell no, rather have enraged regen. much better defensive
nimble ermine
to a certain point
nimble ermine
he did
keen fulcrum
I don't Sim those stats
nimble ermine
hes just cosplaying osama bin laden in this key
keen fulcrum
Oops lol
modest condor
haste mastery is fine
median dust
No hack and slash?
I feel like I never need the extra stack in Thane and AM
buoyant salmon
dn is bis
modest condor
whether you craft haste mastery and fill other slots with vers or craft vers mastery and fill other slots with haste, the end result is the same
keen fulcrum
I mean I'm probably hitting haste DR. No?
modest condor
no
keen fulcrum
I just knew I needed more mastery
modest condor
and even if you were, your top gear sim would just make you equip less pieces with haste
night creek
hell no, rather have enraged regen. much better defensive
Just give us both of them
modest condor
ah yes bring back beta talent tree with dbts in class tree
modest condor
how to make prot warrior the only viable tank
buoyant salmon
parry is always an issue
the only time bdk is relevant is bc of parry
or in legion where they gripped 30 mobs and dnd slowed/ran away
opal sapphire
i crafted my pieces originaly for arms offspec, so they have crit haste.. i think i will need to change that to haste vers now
which is kind of sadge
buoyant salmon
while blood elves cced the whole pack
modest condor
or in legion where they gripped 30 mobs and dnd slowed/ran away
and gave the whole group 20% leech
opal sapphire
dont think its a giga gain tho
buoyant salmon
back when consumption was a real button
median dust
going to try this one I still USe BIZ'
I'm also nuts and using 2 on use trinkets and line the up with AM CD's. Shard and Khadros XD
nimble ermine
i mean thats not bad
opal sapphire
i would never do that tho
if i can get away with 2 passive trinkets i will for sure go there xd
median dust
if i can get away with 2 passive trinkets i will for sure go there xd
i just macro them in. 1 on Rek and 1 on AV
night creek
15% auto attack is like nothing
snow edge
Everyone plz tune in to @young swan's stream so you can check what build not to play
worthy mountain
Xan cook let’s go
nimble ermine
yeah hes cooking something
keen fulcrum
Cooking a bad batch of meth
young swan
yeah that is fuckign dogshit
fiery thorn
holy we are actually getting buffed praise the lord
short cobalt
I'm also nuts and using 2 on use trinkets and line the up with AM CD's. Shard an...
OKOK i have shards but no khadros
nimble ermine
never play this in your lives
if you see anyone running this call them a terrorist
keen fulcrum
never play this in your lives
I tried this on dummies. It just felt.... wrong
chilly fractal
Should pick up thunder clap as slayer for the memes
gusty cloak
never play this in your lives
why
gusty cloak
aahh slyer lol
nimble ermine
he did fucking no damage
and then everything was desynced
like i guess he had bladestorm every 20 seconds
thats cool
also UF
not a real talent
chilly fractal
I’d like Merciless Bonegrinder
muted temple
We got fat buffs incoming
summer crater
Do these changes change prios any thing?
chilly fractal
It’s alright
flat river
Not used to getting buffed
muted temple
honest karma
Ah yeeeah! Bout time
fiery harbor
Revert that target cap though blizz
id argue that it was our stupid burst aoe that got us into this mess in the first place. so it's probably better for future balance to keep it 5 capped
flat river
Which one
young swan
flat river
Oh AM
flat river
When are the buffa coming out
gritty sigil
id argue that it was our stupid burst aoe that got us into this mess in the firs...
yeah fr tho. everyone says we're busted cuz we can aggro rip but then our sustained overall sucks
young swan
next reset
summer quail
AM powerful enrage 
young swan
i get almost perfect 45s cd's
clever path
is there any updated meta builds with the new buffs?
flat river
next reset
young swan
is there any updated meta builds with the new buffs?
not yet
summer crater
Just imagining some of those large BB hits for thane at reset
chilly plume
how we feelin in here boys
fiery harbor
sikran is pure st why go thane
chilly plume
logs include add damage now
summer crater
That's Rasha
worthy mountain
Rash ya mean? Slayer more powah
young swan
is thane AM good for SIkran?
definitelynot
summer quail
is thane AM good for SIkran?
nah lol
chilly plume
That's Rasha
you're so right queen
nimble ermine
i will never be using that accursed build again
use it again after the buffs
more bs means more free reaps
young swan
no
nimble ermine
stonks
nimble ermine
you just dont fuck with the vision
summer crater
Yeah
young swan
if reap had higher proc rate it would be fine
summer crater
As thane it's satisfying to hit
nimble ermine
yep
gaunt moat
i like that thane is bt and slayer is rb
nimble ermine
and then you get the proc
summer crater
thane BT just does 30% more dam lmfao
Plus seeing thunder light up is a joy
young swan
yeah my damage breakdown was epic
it was like
500m damage from ramp
and then 300m from BT
fucking sick
nimble ermine
dude i just wish you actually had a humanoid tank in that arakara
just to see how it would go until the end
nimble ermine
build actually didnt look bad because you had two other dps throwing
young swan
yeah which is insane
they shouldve been doing like 2m overall
cause i just wasnt doing any damage
nimble ermine
idk man your hunter saw a frontal and walked in it like his life depended on it
each mini boss he just died randomly
not sure if from frontal but i assume so
young swan
yeah I was not paying attention to what they were doing
nimble ermine
that first pull where you stopped midway
young swan
but it was clearly not very good
normal bane
Are the peel nerfs even that big, they said 20% in aoe
But 20% of 25 million dps
Isn’t much
nimble ermine
that build definitely needs more theorycrafting
normal bane
Ele
young swan
Are the peel nerfs even that big, they said 20% in aoe
apparently they got shot in the head
normal bane
It said 16% dungeon nerf
normal bane
But they were very far ahead
modest condor
16% nerf would still put them ahead of fury after the buffs
short cobalt
how much dps should I do as a dad wow gamer in mythic SIkran
young swan
anything over 1m is prob pretty good
normal bane
16% doesn’t seem like that much when they’re doing over 3 mil overall
sudden tusk
AM slayer with spear
freak
young swan
beat an ele today
sudden tusk
that ele was doing 20% less damage. from the depression debuff
north yew
whats ur ilvl yin
sudden tusk
they got to own for 48 hours
nocturne salmon
fury buffs looking sweet
young swan
that ele was doing 20% less damage. from the depression debuff
he held full cd's for the double smallie pull right after the last dragon in gb
pseudo wyvern
guys i'm having a hard time picking the vault this week, I'm not raiding much mythic (~2 bosses every week) and would rather want to focus on m+ upgrades
sudden tusk
pad time
balmy shore
beat an ele today
young swan
he only bursted for like 15 mil
nimble ermine
ok but tbh the ele he beat was kinda
nocturne salmon
well ele is getting nerfed again on reset im pretty sure
north yew
i am also pretty sure
nocturne salmon
at least thats what i read on bluetracker
summer crater
Can't wait to actually get some invites to pugs now
nocturne salmon
not sure if its final or not yet
nimble ermine
Can't wait to actually get some invites to pugs now
wishful thinking buddy
young swan
Can't wait to actually get some invites to pugs now
idk about allat
opal sapphire
Can't wait to actually get some invites to pugs now
what makes u think that lol
snow edge
I don't think we'll get invites when people see what Xan did in that pug key
honest karma
guys i'm having a hard time picking the vault this week, I'm not raiding much my...
I’d take trinket. Shoulders and helms are plenty. That trink is great for m+
opal sapphire
meta is not gonna magically change because we get a dmg buff
nimble ermine
we just run the xan build
nimble ermine
to pad our dogshit stats
hardy cargo
I am legitimately considering just dropping cshb for UF am I insane
for am thane sims tell me you should yoink that point from deft and put it back into cshb, UBF/deft are pretty close in patchwerk 1t/5t 5m sims.. Dslice says 2/2 deft is way ahead, and cshb is within variance of UBF
summer crater
meta is not gonna magically change because we get a dmg buff
I'm talking about 8-10s
nocturne salmon
10s is all you need
nocturne salmon
ez
young swan
very good lore
hardy cargo
<:Hmmge:787799922798886932>
and cshb simmin -27k in st sims traded for deft
summer crater
I wasn't getting invites to any of those at 625/2500 this week
nimble ermine
UF is very good if you hit the 6% every rampage
pseudo wyvern
I’d take trinket. Shoulders and helms are plenty. That trink is great for m+
thats what i was thinking too but then transmitter sims way higher and it has avo -_- but is a pain to use
nimble ermine
everyone play that build
i think my group would fucking kill me if i ran that without telling them
hardy cargo
I am currently rocking 1/2 deft and UBF, it feels pretty good and sims best
young swan
tidal kindle
<:Hmmge:787799922798886932>
CSHB just gives you some passive sustian in key, no?
How relevant is the healing actually
young swan
CSHB just gives you some passive sustian in key, no?
yeah I went back to it
tidal kindle
tidal kindle
Oh is the healing directly related to the damage
young swan
but its prob better consistent rage with UF
gilded pawn
i think healing is X% of damage
normal bane
I swear 16% of else overall is nothing
hardy cargo
in a key im lookin at rn, it still did 3.5% of my dam with no bb/roar shit so it kinda owns
young swan
so it kind of just doesnt matter
normal bane
Ele
hardy cargo
+10db
summer quail
but cshb does piss damage
holy moly. that's gonna be the next tier set, cshb tierset!
nimble ermine
maybe if uf was back to 20% then it would be a good talent to pick
iron portal
young swan
maybe if uf was back to 20% then it would be a good talent to pick
i think 10-12% and it would be a main stay for any AM build
young swan
AM is really the only build its good for
otherwise DoI is just better
i need them to make DoI just better
same with UF
nimble ermine
keep dei at 4 seconds and maybe make it work on avatar too idk
summer quail
i need them to make DoI just better
then stop picking it
young swan
make it give reck more crit or crit damage or some shit
in addition to the 4s
4s is pretty pitiful
should be 8s to make it the same duration as avatar
gusty cloak
i cant get used to this AM build
nimble ermine
100% crit during cds
summer quail
remove reck and give us battle cry
battlecry as a cd is fine imo as long as it only affects abilities. static cd battlecry that is
dull compass
Getting absolute whiplash from these fucking balancing attempts
crude sierra
Lmk
nimble ermine
battlecry as a cd is fine imo as long as it only affects abilities. static cd ba...
i mean yeah idk, anything to replace current reck
errant otter
Am I drunk or is the ascendant affix eating meat cleaver hits?
latent hedge
probably is
crude sierra
Is slayer still the best? For raid/mythic +?
earnest shuttle
as far as I know, slayer for raid, thane for M+
errant otter
If I understood correctly its slayer for lower keys, thane for high keys. Particularly after the changes next week
crude sierra
Awesome bet thank yall we shall see next week
normal bane
Something tells me ele could eat a 16% nerf and still be bis
north yew
seems balanced
dull compass
So what is the replacement for OF if it’s really that bad now?
keen fulcrum
Something tells me ele could eat a 16% nerf and still be bis
Bondd had a key posted earlier so I applied to it for the luls
iron kite
sorry if this gets asked a lot, just started the class out again since late BFA, with thane in m+ do we use tclap or no?
keen fulcrum
Boy
north yew
check the pins, but yes
keen fulcrum
If you don't tclap with thane, you aint thanin
iron kite
just feels like a very weird button to press on dps warrior lmao
earnest shuttle
just feels like a very weird button to press on dps warrior lmao
it is, until it is not thunder clap but thunder blast
and you will see how good it feels to thunder thane the shit out of everything
keen fulcrum
Tblast go boom
iron kite
just looked at the +2 i just ran and it did 69m damage over all (nice) lmao
iron kite
fury go brrrrr
weary sail
Fury back to middle of the pack boys
south kayak
Better than poop
honest karma
just feels like a very weird button to press on dps warrior lmao
Feels way better than hitting WW that’s for sure
gilded pawn
prob nothing
gaunt moat
Or is it nothing lol
nonexistant on fury
unkempt vector
Just woke up is it April fools or something
honest karma
If I was a dev, i’d buff execute procs by 500%. Make it the golden button to press
clear hill
someone misses panda remix
gaunt moat
i wish they would make exec hits harder even with a longer cd
but good enough we got buff
lapis shadow
Felt like Kanye West - Good Morning when I woke up at 6 and saw Fury Warrior buffs 💰💰
gaunt moat
let's wait until they realize we do'nt press it as fury almost
lapis shadow
I also made my Lvl 80 warlock yesterday. I just sniffed out a buff there aswell
pure moon
Felt like Kanye West - Good Morning when I woke up at 6 and saw Fury Warrior buf...
Yeah I’ve been busy all day figured I’d check and gasp at “warrior buffs” lol expected it to be something dumb
snow edge
We are pressing it in ST though; it has synergy with Slayer, it's not terrible - and we are getting an execute damage buff from the BT buff
gilded pawn
its about like 1% damage buff
pure moon
How far behind is slayer fury from arms in st?
short cobalt
ayo Im just sayining thane RA sims better ST than slayer
gilded pawn
ayo Im just sayining thane RA sims better ST than slayer
link it
pure moon
<#1234949058121171069>
It shows changes and relative order but is it like 3% behind or 10
gilded pawn
It shows changes and relative order but is it like 3% behind or 10
he literally just put the numbers
you can just do the math
short cobalt
but I have no idea what im doing friend jsut brought me to the raid
pure moon
he literally just put the numbers
Oh my bad I’m on a phone and didn’t see the image
gilded pawn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8DkxeCAG21DF3YrjtRJuT
your thane talents has way more ST to it
specifically dropping odyns for 2vc
clear hill
crafting my 619 bracers, with haste at 24% verse at 3%, go verse/mastery or stick with haste mastery?
upbeat plume
sim it
upbeat plume
shrug
tender seal
sad story
meager gyro
you wanna tell me about nerfs, enhance shaman didn't get a BIG enough nerf lol
steel shard
Did you guys see ele nerfs
For Enh?
meager gyro
south kayak
(Again)
polar narwhal
Man worth 20 million $ cries about losing 50$.
lament lagoon
any rashanan tipz from fellow zuggers
meager gyro
What did the bozo except
Petko has been saying, we didn't get to test on ptr - there was no chance for us to help show them. So they found out by good players just playing the game instead. 🤷♂️ this very unusual for blizz isn't it?
chilly plume
haven't played thane fury before. Is RA still hard locked or is AM a viable alternative
lament lagoon
haven't played thane fury before. Is RA still hard locked or is AM a viable alte...
whatver u find more enjoyable at this point
south kayak
even with these nerfs itll still be strong af
Won’t be that strong but still strong on aoe
tame yarrow
I dont like AM on Slayer
summer crater
haven't played thane fury before. Is RA still hard locked or is AM a viable alte...
Viable but RA still better
tame yarrow
It desyncs everything
On Thane I guess both options are completly fine
With RA slightly ahead
pure moon
It desyncs everything
That’s the main part I don’t like about it
sudden tusk
take my advice
next coyote
Slayer/ thane buffs coming whats uppp
sudden tusk
farm stonevualt fuck grim batol
but grim batol has a sick ring and trinket
grim batol pugs tho
next coyote
Ring of boney
raven sorrel
also hammer?
next coyote
Oh
burnt kelp
next coyote
Wild hammer is nice too rummie
next coyote
Its a shame a geroic track transmitter sims better @burnt kelp
burnt kelp
not on frost dk
pale sable
burnt kelp
ams > the buffs
next coyote
Funny jump and runs > wheelchair
burnt kelp
maybe in most seasons
next coyote
And dont tell me youre playing riders of the apocalypse
burnt kelp
but in this season where every boss and every mob has a bump
I'm fine with death's advance making me ignore every mechanic
next coyote
I dont feel like theres much I cant negate as firy this season to be honest
Kind of feeling abit stonked defensively
burnt kelp
yeah fury is probably second tankiest dps
spiral idol
There's not a lot of problems enraged regen + spell reflect can't fix
next coyote
Altho I always enjoyed ret for the oh shit button
south kayak
I got the same this vault and I wasn’t even excited at all
Now I’m gonna be excited lol
elfin hatch
Will be AM better now with buffs?
south kayak
It’s still the same iirc
fading sky
I'm fine with death's advance making me ignore every mechanic
When da good its bis
south kayak
Can I play thane in st xdd
fading sky
Yes?
unreal stump
Will be AM better now with buffs?
w8ing for more info tooo
fading sky
Dont show guild buffs
fading sky
Isnt main issue that slayers burst better value
honest karma
I haven’t touched my warrior for a few expansions, but main it now. I don’t remember playing a class with this much roller coaster tuning. Is this the warrior life or
fading sky
Even at 1 to 1 slayers toolkit is build foe this raid
chrome canyon
Just woke up and seen the buffs, I legit want to cry of happiness
fading sky
I haven’t touched my warrior for a few expansions, but main it now. I don’t reme...
No usually doesnt go up
honest karma
Kek
south kayak
Isnt main issue that slayers burst better value
Yeah it is
unreal stump
I haven’t touched my warrior for a few expansions, but main it now. I don’t reme...
ye but usually stays down
fading sky
Until like late late patch
Then pity buffs
And then ppl think its coz warrior scales with ilvl
south kayak
willow cradle
Yeah
a big part
maybe they looked at the numbers when it was bugged and couldn't proc
gleaming siren
Reap buffs are not it
willow cradle
wouldn't be the first time bug fix and class balance department don't communicate
untold yacht
lol under critcake video
gleaming siren
and PPM exists
Idk how you think PPM and Reap are connected but they're not according to spell data
And idk how you think it's controlled when you can RNG into 3 Reap procs in a BS when the expected is 1
And suddenly you're just doing a lot more dam for no reason
It's especially relevant in burst AoE
willow cradle
And idk how you think it's controlled when you can RNG into 3 Reap procs in a BS...
It's controlled because unlike Infinite Stars only BT and BB can proc it so you can play around it.
gleaming siren
Obviously hyperbole because IS is the epitome of BS
But the point is you can have 2 warriors play the exact same on Ovinax and the difference between them could be massive just because Reap decided to proc for one of them a lot more
Or let's say Ansurek for a more relevant example
south kayak
Did crit see buffs
willow cradle
Outliers will always exist, but there will always be an average trend, it's the same for RB resets, yes there is RNG related to it but it averages out.
untold yacht
Did crit see buffs
Nah he went blind recently, awaiting doctor treatment
I just posted 5 min ago a comment from under his video
south kayak
Lmao
plucky ice
haughty wadi
Finally they listened us all
storm rune
bro crit can barely contain his joy in his new vid its hilarious, dude looks like he's .5 seconds away from tap dancing
wraith wharf
👏 starts singing we will rock you
signal dew
haughty wadi
bro crit can barely contain his joy in his new vid its hilarious, dude looks lik...
He can tap dance , I would dance with him
haughty wadi
guess we'll see
No doubt we will but they will nerf it. A lil bit the week after.
gleaming siren
Outliers will always exist, but there will always be an average trend, it's the ...
That is not PPM and subject to incredibly high variance when you only really care about Reap procs for a very limited amount of time 👍
But yes in an M+ run it will just average out
Still high variance pull to pull
storm rune
lol
south kayak
I don’t know about that chief
storm rune
now that's some dooming
heavy galleon
We are still huge captargeting and WE have no dispell,no BL
thorn smelt
Fury have 0 utilites compare to other classes, if their damage in keys is not higher than rogue or sham, they still not getting inv
heavy galleon
Yes totally
flat river
Idk i still get invited
heavy galleon
If I have the choice between elem fdk rogue augmente boomie mage
I'll never take warrior
heavy galleon
Idk i still get invited
You play + 6 ?
flat river
If I have the choice between elem fdk rogue augmente boomie mage
Yes because 2 warriors in the same group isn't good?
storm rune
9 man dungeons
flat river
You play + 6 ?
I play 11's
storm rune
unreal
heavy galleon
Lol
haughty wadi
Fury have 0 utilites compare to other classes, if their damage in keys is not hi...
You chose the hard path playing as warrior. You have to accept that
heavy galleon
11 is garbage
storm rune
bro is full on dooming
flat river
storm rune
I'm not S tier, better uninstall
flat river
Real
heavy galleon
Off they invite you for 11, méta class are not in 11 they are in 13+ now
south kayak
I'm not S tier, better uninstall
heavy galleon
You'll see when you'll die 7 hours in Dornogal waiting 12/13
flat river
Idk bro is dooming hard
meager gyro
with buffs, you think massacre or sudden death be the better talent to chooose in ST?
heavy galleon
The M+ state IS just too Bad right now
flat river
Lmao
south kayak
I doubt execute buff is enough to use it outside of 2-3 marks
flat river
Bro got buffed and started dooming
inland fractal
Bro is not even dooming just straight up trolling
spark canyon
So overall best m plus spec will be thane after changes ?
spark canyon
But instead of slight loss in aoe it will be Big loss ?
south kayak
the difference is huge tho, like 400k more DPS on 5 target
Thane is 10% better on 5target
inland fractal
And raid MT? Still slay for burst?
flat river
With new buffs we going back to RA right?
south kayak
Critcake's reverse psychology worked
flat river
And raid MT? Still slay for burst?
Yes
flat river
Critcake's reverse psychology worked
REAL
south kayak
Cuz slayer is more bursty
Slayer does more damage faster
haughty wadi
the difference is huge tho, like 400k more DPS on 5 target
Is it live yet ?
south kayak
But Thane does come on top if the fight lasts longer enough
flat river
Is it live yet ?
Next week
south kayak
Is it live yet ?
No, it's live on reset
flat river
Will we go back to RA @south kayak ?