fury

[coarse nest]

You can live so much shit by simply hopping into dstance before the hit

It’s very good

Coupled with SR

[graceful ruin]

didn't they buff dstance, both the DR and reduce the damage loss?

[queen tapir]

sr -> dstance is just a gg you are living for sure button

[coarse nest]

And now thane IV

[graceful ruin]

or am i trippin

[meager void]

it irks me to no end when warriors complain about their utility without using half of it

[queen tapir]

if its getting even more fucked you just pop ER and holy

if something kills you at that point

[dire vigil]

I walked into a 10 SV with a DK that had only done some delves for gear and had no issues doing decent damage and staying up, then on top of all the utility I provided, I felt weird about having slaved away on warrior in m+ for 4-6 weeks. Sad.

[queen tapir]

yeah gl

[buoyant salmon]

for prot yeah

[graceful ruin]

oh i thought they buffed it for all a while back

not as much, im p sure prot loses like 2% crit and that's it for going it now but

[coarse nest]

Dstance > SR > Thane IV

Bigg

[normal bane]

i wish fury had die by the sword so we could do some intervene shit, but unfort

[odd star]

not really. riders is good on aoe
And riders is the pick for UHDK which is also strong

[graceful ruin]

what does thane change abt IV

[odd star]

but DB better for sure on raid and high keys for frost

[buoyant salmon]

db is just clearly better than riders for frost now

[graceful ruin]

oh that choice node

[dire vigil]

I’m all in on frost rn, can’t speak for UH. Not gonna spend another 50-100k crafting a 2H/worrying about other stats, etc

[coarse nest]

More 5% stam baseline and hp boost when you IV on top of it

[graceful ruin]

i thought you always went the DR one

like TB reduces dmg taken

maybe i got the wrong sauce

[odd star]

i tried rerolling frost but i wanna have fun more than i want to fotm

[coarse nest]

That’s also good but less control

[odd star]

i should have rerolled ret. cant stand dk

[dire vigil]

I actually haven’t played Unholy since they reverted it from a 3 min class to something more useful.

[coarse nest]

I concur that ret was the play

[queen tapir]

most fun speak on dk has to go to blood dk

[coarse nest]

It’s 7 buttons

[dire vigil]

But doing the best uncapped AOE damage in the game is always cool

[coarse nest]

So easy

[odd star]

UH was nice for a while but I only need to have my pets bug out once before i went frost lol

[coarse nest]

And pumps

[queen tapir]

the rest are just

[graceful ruin]

tbh i think ret is the most boring plate

[graceful ruin]

partially cause of this

[queen tapir]

I guess you like obliterate spam

[fickle cedar]

dh is fun

[buoyant salmon]

doing a proper pillar sequence as frost and getting a huge fwf in pillar is super fun

[graceful ruin]

compared to ret yea

but i enjoy both

[coarse nest]

I don’t find ret boring personally, yes it’s simple but it’s also high apm and I like high apm

[buoyant salmon]

but ppl just dont do that which is why they think frost is boring

[coarse nest]

Plays as fast as fury feels

[odd star]

ret is a bit boring but at least its inoffensive fun. i find dk clunky, too little mobility and too finnicky dps

[dire vigil]

I did however discover last night that pillar will pull shit 40 yards away. Hah. Fun learning experience.

[dull compass]

We have utility?

[graceful ruin]

that's a fair outlook for sure, high apm fun

[normal bane]

ret needs its 30 second cd to not do a million damage

[coarse nest]

Wrong

[graceful ruin]

no no i agree lol, it was more relative. i enjoy all 3 plate classes, but ret is the 'most boring', which to me still makes it more fun than a lot of other classes

[coarse nest]

That is what’s so good about it

Always have damage

[normal bane]

you mean op

[queen tapir]

when was the last time some one used intimidating shout here

[normal bane]

30 second cd should not be incredibly strong

[queen tapir]

our best utility is Rallying

[normal bane]

by nature of it just being 30 seconds

[meager void]

case and point.

[queen tapir]

the rest is just personal shit

[odd star]

my guild already has like 4 or 5 paladins so i def cant reroll ret. just have to hope blizz buffs fury

[queen tapir]

I guess shockwave as well

[flat bear]

Is the spark craft bug still working with rings

[coarse nest]

Just stay fury main

No reason not too

[buoyant salmon]

shockwave is the best aoe stop in the game

[dull compass]

It was a joke

[golden inlet]

Enraged Regen is fairly solid imo

[queen tapir]

nah thats capacitor what ?

[buoyant salmon]

but muh utility

[dull compass]

Woosh

[golden inlet]

Long cd though but good for almost one shots

[queen tapir]

oh wait choco is joking I assume mb

[buoyant salmon]

brother ppl say shit like that all day every day seriously

[meager void]

im sorry for the bad feels.

[buoyant salmon]

?

[coarse nest]

I mean I agree we have utility, that isn’t wrong. But it is correct to say that other melee bring comparable stops also on top of extra group bonuses that we do not

[graceful ruin]

only cringe thing abt ret imo is that final reckoning is so dogshit that you go execution sentence in aoe

which feels pretty ass

[dull compass]

I mean we have utility and if you don’t know what it is

You might not be able to read

[normal bane]

warrior utility would be huge if intervene were better and if fury had die by the sword

[queen tapir]

last time I used intervene I instantly died to getting meleed

god bless

[humble cape]

intervene should give an aoe buff based on what spec you are tbh

[normal bane]

if you could intervene more mechanics to take off of other ppl, or intervene the tank and dbts

[odd star]

in DF it wasnt like that. I played more ret than fury in amir cause leggo dropped first on ret

[dire vigil]

Our utility is saving the tank from having to use a defensive for one global.

[normal bane]

it would be fun

[dull compass]

Although it would admittedly be nice to have more

[meager void]

we praise AMS so much for negating mechs when SR also negates a shit-ton of mechs

[graceful ruin]

yea i know. i wish they'd make final reckoning 30s or something, or just make it a bit better

[normal bane]

right now there are like no mechanics that intervene even takes, like less than a handful

[dull compass]

Increasing the skill expression capabilities shouldn’t be a bad thing

[queen tapir]

give us mass spell reflect

holy

would that be nuts

[graceful ruin]

god damn

[odd star]

this is true and SR is on minuscule cd

[graceful ruin]

telling my entire group to let frostbolt volley go off in NW

[meager void]

dont give me hope.

[odd star]

SR feels great to have

[coarse nest]

Think about this, do you really want to be invited to a group because you can intervene out of melee range to save someone from a mechanic

Kind sounds bad in my mind ngl

[normal bane]

it would be for push keys

it would be incredibly strong

+8 pugs who cares

[graceful ruin]

i think that discussion was never SR is bad but that AMS is the god button lol

[golden inlet]

Intervene is nice for fights like Ulgrax/Queen Ansurek with the pulling

[normal bane]

• just having the opton to use it as a tank defensive

[queen tapir]

I remember in DF in a few dungeons

[golden inlet]

but so is heroic leap

[normal bane]

its nice for us

[queen tapir]

we would taunt spell reflect the boss

it was the best button in the game

[meager void]

thats why the mass SR idea just made me happy. Like thinking of a steak when hungry lol

[coarse nest]

Being able to talent into mass spellreflect for some kind of reduced effect would be great

[queen tapir]

and you straight up +1mil dps

[normal bane]

intervene is almost useless for what it's actually meant for

its a glorified friendly charge

[graceful ruin]

i like the analogy

[queen tapir]

yeah mass spell reflect on a 1minute cd

that would be like the greatest arc

[graceful ruin]

i always hate taunt spell refect tech just personally lol, but I do love the button

feels so good to ignore stuff

[dire vigil]

Heroic throw interrupt from ranged on 45 sec cd

[queen tapir]

I feel like the Main character when I do it

shit is wild

[normal bane]

mass spell reflect would be broken and you all know it

[queen tapir]

🤣

[graceful ruin]

kinda wish we had a better way to cleanse stuff than dogshit awful bitter immunity

[coarse nest]

Ranged kick tied to heroic throw could be big

[next canopy]

Boys how the hell do i get to this halloween event??

[coarse nest]

Like we just get two kicks

[chilly fractal]

Which is why the legendary got ripped out from under us

[meager void]

this 100% this

[coarse nest]

That’s good reason to invite

[dire vigil]

Yup

[next canopy]

used the port to ruins of lordaeron and nothing

[queen tapir]

I dunno whats the cd on amz ?

[graceful ruin]

like 40

[coarse nest]

Why does only Prot paladin have this option?

[golden inlet]

You mean queuing up for the dungeon?

[meager void]

and let it put pummel on CD idc, but a ranged heroic throw kick

[queen tapir]

let me check rq

[normal bane]

amz is 1;30 i think if talented?

[graceful ruin]

oh amz

[normal bane]

maybe 2?

[dire vigil]

If pal can throw shield, we can throw axe

[queen tapir]

i think its 2 right ?

[normal bane]

there is a short amz talent

[next canopy]

It says to go to Trisfal Glades ruins or lordaeron

[graceful ruin]

its 2, can make it 1.5 wit hthe talent below

[dire vigil]

Also, give us that chain grip that apparently was in the works

[graceful ruin]

which i think u take in raid

[queen tapir]

yeah if amz is on 1:30 / 2minutes I think a mass sr on 2 would be fine

[dull compass]

It would interrupt me irl I know that

[meager void]

or even, make stormbolt have a hero talent that turns it into an interrupt or something.

[normal bane]

that was tied to heroic leap

[queen tapir]

1:30

[normal bane]

no one wants that

it would be an abomination

[golden inlet]

Is it for the Mount? then just look for it in your dungeons tab you can queue up there. If you mean for the event itself with the NPC's it should be in Lordaeron city itself

[dire vigil]

Oh ok

[meager void]

instead of that stormbolt cleave thing on MT

[graceful ruin]

i think there'd be some cheese with SR but spell block i can't see being a problem

[next canopy]

weird when i go to city its empty

[graceful ruin]

like doing a billion dmg by reflecting a volley or some shit

[normal bane]

make whirlwind duplicate kicks too. We're not prot pallys. Class fixed

now*

[golden inlet]

Hmm no clue haven't been to lordaeron since the end of Shadowlands

[meager void]

I would personally love to have some sort of push.

[queen tapir]

volley cannot be reflected no ? or am I tripping

[meager void]

we always on cleave add duty, a push would be nice utils for that.

[graceful ruin]

tbh is it crazy to say that the changes to casting was a nerf to shockwave

[normal bane]

spear should be a mass grip before the root

it like breaks the ground under them and pulls them in

[next canopy]

ty anyway

[graceful ruin]

i know every other stop got nerfed in the same way but shockwave feels so central to our utility that the caster change actually feels massive for it

[golden inlet]

Honestly glad that I am a Tauren warrior because War Stomp is great in dungeons

[meager void]

are we hopeful and discussing possible war changes

[queen tapir]

we are discussing things that will never happen

maybe some blizz dev is looking at this chat

[coarse nest]

^

[queen tapir]

who tf knows atp

[normal bane]

there is not going to be any acual utility changes this week

[meager void]

see, there is goes TT

[normal bane]

we may get buffed tuning wise

but 0 chance of utility rework

[graceful ruin]

lets see if warrior gets anything but another nerf

[dire vigil]

Heroic throw ranged kick, rally buffed 100% to closest 4 players (obviously for m+ purposes), 25% buff to rampage, get rid of whirlwind and have rampage passively apply stacks, make frenzy personal countdown instead of target-specific

[velvet obsidian]

Has the new nerf not dropped yet?

[graceful ruin]

or maybe it'll get a buff and a nerf which makes it overall worse

but its fine because we got buffed :)

[queen tapir]

umm rally is already broken bud

🤣

[golden inlet]

I like whirlwind tbh, maybe because it's so engrained into my system

[dire vigil]

Rally is very weak in m+

[graceful ruin]

i wish rally was broken lol

[glad coyote]

what video did dratnos say we needed a verf?

[dire vigil]

In comparison to other tools

[graceful ruin]

yeah i don't think fury needs any fewer rotational buttons

idk what removing WW would achieve

esp when we go thane anyways

[glad coyote]

yeah it got nerfed and aug's have double rally at what it used to be for us

[queen tapir]

I mean if rally was 25%

[dire vigil]

Or just make it always be thunderclap. I just hate twirling on a loop

[queen tapir]

instead of 10

[dire vigil]

It’s dumb

[queen tapir]

🤷‍♂️

[golden inlet]

People go Thane with Fury?

[queen tapir]

thats like a HS on 3 minutes

actually unironically miss banners as well

[golden inlet]

Wasn't RC like 15% for 20 seconds in DF?

[queen tapir]

from SL

[golden inlet]

Never understood why they nerfed it imo

[graceful ruin]

i think they nerfed all group defensives right?

[normal bane]

they nerfed a bunch of them

[graceful ruin]

and then they just did what they do best and kept nerfing warr over and over

[dire vigil]

Rampage is our big spender and is currently #3 in the prio list. Weird

[normal bane]

rampage is okay-ish

[queen tapir]

I mean play AM

[normal bane]

execute is the problem

[queen tapir]

and its 1

[golden inlet]

Gotta get those raging/crushing blows in for the enhanced Rampage/bloodthirsts right

[normal bane]

execute is trash

[dire vigil]

Yeah true. Haven’t even had the chance to play new AM yet

[normal bane]

and i'd say it's warriors major identity, since they seem to reason everything around class fantasy

[dire vigil]

After raid I logged off warrior and haven’t played it since

[queen tapir]

I dont see how anyone can fucking stand playing RA

especially in m+

[graceful ruin]

well for one it doesnt desync your cds

[queen tapir]

desyncing is fine man

last of my worries

[graceful ruin]

nah doesn't feel good imo

[boreal cairn]

id much rather not dsync

[graceful ruin]

but i agree i do like AM more besides that

[queen tapir]

how broken would AM be if it effected avatar as well

I wonder

[boreal cairn]

probably insane but would feel 100 times betterr lol

[graceful ruin]

i wish our cds were just

ava reck bs/rav

[dire vigil]

What if Roar became a 20 sec like Remorseless winter?

[golden inlet]

That was kind of the case in Shadowlands with tier right?

[dire vigil]

👀

[queen tapir]

was that really the case in shadow lands

[graceful ruin]

might be nice to have another rotational ability

[queen tapir]

I dont remember it being so

when was that

we had RA + Reckless in shadow though right ?

RA + AM

[ripe goblet]

Guess this spam was accurate after all

[queen tapir]

I mean

[ripe goblet]

[spiral orbit]

What is a reasonable aura buff that would make us happy if it was an aura buff and nothing else. Keyword being reasonable.

[golden inlet]

I believe with the first raid tier everyone would have embellished legs with AM reducing both but could misremember

[ripe goblet]

[dire vigil]

See the fun thing about playing other classes is it gives fun ideas and perspective

[normal bane]

speaking of tier, part of the problem this tier is gaps in tier sets

some are like 1-2% gain while others are still 8+

i get they wanted to make them boring for the first set

[graceful ruin]

i think the shaman one was like 16% before the nerf it got a little while back

[normal bane]

but at least make them similar power wise

[heavy flax]

boutta try out the am thane build without of 🫡

[graceful ruin]

and tbh they can be boring but i think they should be at least like 10% total

makes them feel nicer to get

[normal bane]

i think that and dev both ended above 8% gains too

meanwhile others(like ours)

are shit

[queen tapir]

this is crazy btw

why would anyone buy t3

🤣

[abstract bone]

Because its better

[graceful ruin]

4head

[queen tapir]

its like 5% better its wild if you buy that just dumping money

[golden inlet]

Mb i did misremember it was the Signet of Tormented kings that would activate bladestorm/recklessnes/avatar if one of them got activated regardless of the other CD's.

[queen tapir]

ah yes signet

[sinful orbit]

Rng bs

[graceful ruin]

fact that signet was rng is still insane to me

how was that a good idea

[sinful orbit]

Getting bs when you didn’t want it and having to cancel it

Omg I just remembered I also used it on prot

[dire vigil]

A better system for that is just a proc that you press

[golden inlet]

I mean it was fun in M+ but the RNG was annoying

[sinful orbit]

Best feeling was when you got 2xbs tough

[golden inlet]

Honestly looking back at Shadowlands if all fury would get Condemn instead of Execute that'd fix quite a bit I think

[queen tapir]

condem was worse than normal execute at some point

unless i am tripping

[golden inlet]

At the start it was nearly OP but they nerfed it a lot after

[queen tapir]

was insane in pvp for sure

Especially iwth arms

[flat river]

I buy it im just rich like that

[astral path]

signet was goated

make it a talent fr

[golden inlet]

haha in M+ fun, in Raid not always

[astral path]

i kinda wish i had an alt warrior to play banner on

i was condemn gamer

[golden inlet]

I played NightFae, the Aftershock then felt so good dropping it, knocking them down and getting buffed if you stayed in the radius

[restive peak]

Give us back the 3% they egregiously took as a kneejerk reaction

Honestly that alone pushes up into a good, healthy spot

Def not S tier or anything, but healthy

[burnt kelp]

Make it 5% and I'll shut up

( until next patch)

[fading sky]

I miss that spell so much

[queen tapir]

you know there is a consensus in the community

that all fury warriors are idiots

[restive peak]

5% would be sick, I think the 3 alone helps a ton though

[queen tapir]

even a 5% aura buff wont get us into keys

[restive peak]

Most of those people are idiots, like most of the world is stupid

[queen tapir]

🤦‍♂️

and some how people still think fury is the simplest class in the game

[winter shoal]

Personally I'd rather a buff to ramp/rb/bt (and cb/bb) that amounts to like 5% single target, but wouldn't have a huge impact on burst aoe

[fading sky]

Ofc not but in my own keys id slP

[queen tapir]

these people actually have issues

[fading sky]

Slap

[queen tapir]

every class is like literally 2-3 buttons atm

🤣

[winter shoal]

Have you been here long? This is 100% factually true

[restive peak]

He said purely aura though as his question

I would rather see execute get a 50% buff and ramp a 10% 1

[winter shoal]

It's gotta be like top 5 easiest specs for sure

[restive peak]

So our ST improves noticeably and our AOE slightly improves

[fallen sedge]

i cant argue for my case, when playing warrior my iq plummets

and Im proud of it

[winter shoal]

Oh I didn't scroll up, just xddChatting

[restive peak]

I can name like 10 other specs that are at worst equal difficulty to fury, and several easier

[queen tapir]

^ same

[gaunt moat]

i'd rather a rb/cb nerf and more dmg to rampage/exec

[old jetty]

hey guys im a little bit confused about the best talents on fury, can you give me the best option or options on talents please i need to do 14 this week

[queen tapir]

one of them is even a top spec rn

[fading sky]

Go

[restive peak]

The only even remotely "hard" specs are enh, BRM, and I genuinely can't think of another

[fading sky]

Spec with no alternative specc

[restive peak]

Outlaw was but they just dumbed it down considerably

[humble plover]

Fury is easy but it's fast paced and you can really bungle the DPS it does with bad rotation and downtime

[winter shoal]

To play optimally for sure, but you can do passable damage on fury with literally just ramp > cb > bb always and maintain ww stacks in aoe

[fallen sedge]

what easiers specs exist? MM/BM doesnt count since we know those

[restive peak]

You can do passable on a lot of classes by spamming their 3-4 most important abilities

Noone cares about improper play, or they shouldn't anyway

[fallen sedge]

thats max dps on fury tho lmao

[queen tapir]

ele, pala, survival, bm, mm, frost mage, balance druid

[gaunt moat]

as an old wizard i can confidently say, mage is easier

[queen tapir]

I mean I can go on

frost dk

[gaunt moat]

frost mage is 2 iq gameplay fire mage is piss chilling

[queen tapir]

I mean DH is considerably harder than fury imo

[restive peak]

UHDK is easier just due to DND lasting 12s and doing what WW does, frost is a joke, frost mage is 3 buttons, fire mage is basically 2 buttons spammed back and forth with minor fillers, ele is 3 buttons, BM/MM are easy, WW is a simple rotation where the only "mistake" is literally double tapping to mess up their combo

[fading sky]

Buff ramp and ms!!

[queen tapir]

even though its a 2 button spam as well

fucking momentum

[restive peak]

DH is identical in difficulty to fury as in they're both very easy

[gaunt moat]

you don't play with inertia/momentum anymore, you can chose when you want to dash now

last xpac they were harder i agree

[queen tapir]

ah that was removed

god bless

[restive peak]

Even when DH had inertia/momen it was no harder

[fallen sedge]

isnt UH DK a piano spec??? last I checked it had a fuckton of buttons

[final birch]

huh

[steel shard]

thats just false

[gaunt moat]

it was cancer gameplay

[queen tapir]

it was the most cancer shit

[restive peak]

I spam the same 4 buttons on my UH DK and use CDs every 45/90s

[normal bane]

would a 5% buff even be huge? The gaps between specs in st rn are like 500k

5% is nothing

[humble plover]

I find dh harder than fury

[restive peak]

I played DH S3 and I was in high keys on day 3 because it was so easy

[steel shard]

season 3 DF dh was way harder

than fury lmao

[steel shard]

obv

but you did not midmax it then

[restive peak]

It was absolutely not hard

[humble plover]

But I also hate the inertia momentum bs

[restive peak]

This is like saying hitting a 98mph fast ball is harder than a 97, technically you may be right

But it's basically identical

[gaunt moat]

being under momentum 24/7 is what made my dh friend stops

[final birch]

you dont play with inertia?

and that's full st boss

[gaunt moat]

you play around it but you don't have to use it on cd

[normal bane]

enh is at like 1.7 mil st, while fury/fire/arms hover around 1.2-1.3. 5% isn't doing shit about that

[gaunt moat]

before you had to dash every 8 seconds

[restive peak]

There are nerfs coming and we don't need to be #1 to be in a healthy place

[burnt kelp]

Dh on dummies isnt very hard, it gets harder in m+ especially in thight spaces tho

[normal bane]

#1 is diffrent

[restive peak]

If your only idea of balanced is #1, you're forever going to be disappointed

[normal bane]

the gaps between specs are just insane right now, so 5% buffs in the past would be ok

but right now its like nothing

[boreal cairn]

hard to do 5% single target cause everything that could do that also buffs aoe

[normal bane]

not even counting bugs like outlaw

[queen tapir]

I mean enhance is hella hard

I think they deserve that

[normal bane]

no spec in the game

[boreal cairn]

its why balancing is hard cause so many kits aoe passivly or basiclly the same as their single target

[normal bane]

is 500k dps more hard

[gaunt moat]

i wouldn't want an aura buff i'd largely prefer a rb/cb nerf for a huge exec buff and some rampage buff

[restive peak]

No spec deserves to be #1 because of perceived difficulty

Again, no spec in this game is actually DIFFICULT

Enh is more nuanced than most others, it's still a rotation that quickly becomes muscle memory

[final birch]

psychos meta immunes were so good

[normal bane]

bm hunter is right near enh

and you can't tell me they're hard

[humble plover]

Hpal makes my brain hurt

[final birch]

playing around that and still doing the dps he did

[queen tapir]

enh is one of those that I cant fucking play for shit

no matter how much I hit the target dummy

random procs is just bs

[restive peak]

So the 5% thing, let's look at Kyveza at 95th over this past week for example

[normal bane]

their tuning right now and even before this patch tbh, was just horrendously off

[normal bane]

not even just fury

[restive peak]

Outlaw was bugged, so ignore it

[burnt kelp]

It still puts a smile on my face

[restive peak]

Ele has been nerfed and is getting another, confirmed, so 5% pushes us above WW+demo, potentially UH, ties us with ret/DH/surv

That's kyveza, pure ST, consistent mechanics

1 of the better "tests" for pure ST in an actual gameplay environment

[gaunt moat]

bro when i checked yesterday same

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1266660456676720723/1299161824301813811/image.png?ex=671cdafc&is=671b897c&hm=d9e90539c4d9dda55803bb8e6c8dd20bf1476ae63d64eb64d43cf678fb103487&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[burnt kelp]

Look at arms warrior

[steel shard]

yea idk

[burnt kelp]

They look bugged but the other way around

[steel shard]

arms get catching strays

[restive peak]

That's over 2 weeks and also all percentiles, aka useless

Yeah what they did to arms was criminal

[gaunt moat]

it's mainly because it's funny that i shared it

checking outlaw bar

[steel shard]

you know what

i want them to nerf warrior again

[restive peak]

Yeah 110%, but I mean on the point of "5% would do nothing"

[steel shard]

stoke the fire

[normal bane]

are you sure thats kyveza at 95?

[restive peak]

5% would push us into the upper tier

Yes I am

[keen kindle]

If they nerf warrior at this point it proves pure incompetency

[steel shard]

thats the point

[normal bane]

this is what i see

for kyveza

[keen kindle]

Espically if arms gets another fucking stray

[steel shard]

it would be hilarious

[restive peak]

3% likely already pushes us to a super healthy place

[steel shard]

like

[restive peak]

Swap to 1 week

[steel shard]

slap on a 5% aura nerf

[queen tapir]

this is all bosses bud

[restive peak]

2 week is last patch

[steel shard]

to warrior

and some more slayer nerfs aswell

[keen kindle]

Just make arms actually unviable

[normal bane]

2 weeks won't include last patch

[queen tapir]

not kyveza

[final birch]

assa, enh overperforming

[keen kindle]

Like literally unplayable

[normal bane]

when its set to 11.0.5

[restive peak]

Ah you are correct, it swapped back to all

[final birch]

war 3% aura nerf

[restive peak]

So even then

[queen tapir]

ah shit

[restive peak]

5% pushes us into the upper mid

[queen tapir]

brother

[restive peak]

Those graphs outside outlaw (bugged) are EXTREMELY close

[final birch]

I can see 3 outliers

[queen tapir]

all I know is why the fuck are hunters up there

?

[restive peak]

Like you do understand the gap from WW to fury is likely 5% or less, right?

[wary coral]

oh i see, i see... a room for nerf

[final birch]

that are not outlaw

[alpine flame]

hand of Justice trinket any good?

[restive peak]

Well hunters do fuckall in any AOE situation so if they had mid ST they'd be a dead class

There has to be SOME semblance of strengths/weaknesses

[brittle glen]

A tone running broodtwister egg, is there a sweet spot to try and keep each stack at, or do we have a preference between the main stat/ secondary?

[final birch]

also assa one of the top st on kyveza?

have u seen their aoe?

[restive peak]

The biggest issue is nerfing our burst THEN hard capping it

[gaunt moat]

enhancement gettin middle tier ===> fast guys let's revert the 6% stealth aura nerf 🔥 🔥 💪 🤓

[final birch]

assa does absolutely insane aoe

[meager void]

tier list mentality really complicates proper discussion lol. People see a list and dont care if disperssion is minimal, they just cry if their color is not on top

[restive peak]

Again, if you only considered #1-3 balanced you'll never be happy

Being #5-7 on ST and #5-7 on AOE is a very strong, healthy place

So yeah I think giving us back the 3% certainly helps a ton

[plucky ice]

are people assuming we get 3 or 5% buff

[restive peak]

And I think reverting the cap + the 3% and deleting powerful enrage fixes basically everything outside semantics arguments

[humble plover]

I'd like to be at least mid so if I play out of my mind I could be top. But RN I could play amazing and be 300k behind the kill commander

[queen tapir]

3% aura buff will not put as at #5-7

[meager void]

im asumming 4.7533333...

[restive peak]

"I HATE SLAM I LIKE X BUTTON" <-- this is irrelevant

Yes, it will put us around 5-7

[plucky ice]

expect nothing from blizz tbh

[restive peak]

That graphs variance is literally like 1% until you reach enh sham

[gaunt moat]

yh same that's the best part

being middle tier is the way

[normal bane]

execute should be buffed

[brittle glen]

I'm a firm believer that blizz just doesn't know what they want the dps warrior specs to be, I smell a potential changes in future patches

[restive peak]

We would gain 63k

[normal bane]

its propped up by slayer and even then its weak

[queen tapir]

a 3% aura buff would put us at around right under spriest

like what

is my math fucked ?

[gaunt moat]

i hope no aura buff i swear

[restive peak]

SP is within 5k of the things directly above and below it

Lol

[meager void]

how are you mathing there

[restive peak]

5k is NOTHING

5k is literally less than RNG variance or a mechanical variance

BM/MM/Enh being 1.55 to our 1.25 is the issue

If they were 1.48 and we were 1.35 it would be miniscule you'd only care by checking charts to get angry at

[normal bane]

it's also worth looking at the max parse to see what a spec is capable of doing

if stars align

[restive peak]

And then when you consider those same hunters are legit dogwater once a 2nd mob is added, it's very fair

There will always be variance via RNG rotationally (crit/non crit at X time), mechanical assignments, kill times

[final birch]

hunters yes but other classes gain fuckton

[mossy fox]

nah bro warrior playerbase is actually better than other classes

[normal bane]

not even as a fury argument, i just don't think the gap between max potential should be this

[restive peak]

Some do some don't, those other classes are close to us, and we also gain quite a bit

[restive peak]

True

[queen tapir]

this reminds me of fucking shadow lands\

[restive peak]

Obviously the outlaw thing is due to the exploit, it's a very disingenuous place to argue from

[queen tapir]

surival hunters and warlocks

this is nuts

man

[normal bane]

ignoring outlaw obv

[queen tapir]

🤣

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-fail-frisbee-gif-24192005

[normal bane]

even ignoring outlaw, the gap between enh peak and fire peak is like 500k

how is that right

[restive peak]

Yeah enh should and apparently is being nerfed

I agree

But that still doesn't mean WE need more than 5%

[gaunt moat]

are they getting nerfed?

i saw them revert the aura nerf

[final birch]

thats because it was a bug

[normal bane]

even like sub rogue has a 300k + gap

[restive peak]

Rumour is both sham specs are eating a nerf in the upcoming tuning

[gaunt moat]

oh

[final birch]

that doesnt mean they wont nerf it

[restive peak]

We'll get notes tn I assume, it's usually fridays

[normal bane]

what is a fucking huge % to be gapped on in just a st fight

that*

[gaunt moat]

🙏

[queen tapir]

this is kyveza st

[restive peak]

Yeah the aura thing was a bug

Change to 1 week and 95th Ben

[queen tapir]

just looking at upper quartiles only btw a 3% aura wont put us at #5-7

[restive peak]

2 weeks is living in the past; we're on a new patch

[mossy fox]

give me 10% ramp, 10% TB, 10% reap and uh idk 50% exe and let's see what happens

[humble plover]

Unironically the average warrior I run into is better than other people I see lmao

[queen tapir]

even the medians

[normal bane]

2 weeks doesn't matter

[restive peak]

And anything below 95th is poor play

[mossy fox]

can worry about onslaught in 12.0

[normal bane]

it selects the expansion

[gaunt moat]

bro i wish we could remove outlaw completely from the logs so we can read the logs better

[queen tapir]

make that 100% execute please

[final birch]

doesnt matter since its new patch

[normal bane]

not expansion* the patch

[smoky vale]

you forgot to nerf ms by 100%

[final birch]

it wont look at old patch

[restive peak]

Ok regardless swap to 95th

[queen tapir]

and ill be happy

[final birch]

if you put even 2 weeks

[trail bane]

it doesnt matter if you say 2 weeks or 1 week, its patch .5 so there were no logs 2 weeks ago

[restive peak]

They can never and will never base tuning on poor play

[gaunt moat]

-10% cb/rb +90% exec

[queen tapir]

like even in 95th we are just above spriest btw

[restive peak]

I can find you an enh sham on all percentiles who did tank dmg, that doesn't mean enh isn't too strong

[queen tapir]

but I see the point you are making

[restive peak]

Yes, which is within 2% of everything else

Possibly closer to 1%

If we're ranked 20th of 26 but 3-25 is within 1% of each other

[queen tapir]

actually nvm

[restive peak]

I do not care that we're 20th

[normal bane]

i'm not arguing fury st buffs at this point, i'm just arguing the gap between the top and the bottom

[restive peak]

And noone else should

[normal bane]

is way to massive for a st fight

[queen tapir]

just above augmentation

[restive peak]

I don't care about everything else tbh, no horse in that race

I worry about our class

[queen tapir]

yeah for sure

[normal bane]

balance as a whole matters, do i want fury to be good obv

[gaunt moat]

i just want rotational changes personnally outside of the numbers i just feel bad that rampage and exec aren't top priority

[normal bane]

but i care about massive gaps like that too

[restive peak]

I didn't say a 3% or 5% aura would make us amazing, it would make us a much healthier class/spec

[static rock]

wtf is arms doing with having it's range all the way down in the 700k area?

[restive peak]

Swap to AM ramp is top prio again, we go big

[trail bane]

If we would get a 5% aura buff we would still be 9.35% behind Ret on Ky'veza

[queen tapir]

I dunno they start waving banners mid fighty

or something

[restive peak]

Brother

[queen tapir]

cheering

[restive peak]

We are not 14% behind ret

[final birch]

10% behind?

after buff?

are you looking at max percentile

ret gets wings when people die

it can scale

hard

[trail bane]

With a 5% aura buff we would be a t 1.317 mil average on kyveza

ret has 1.408 mil average on kyveza

[queen tapir]

we are about 7% behind ret on 95th percentile

[restive peak]

You think 1.317 to 1.408 is 9%?

[static rock]

did we get another nerf message or something after the bug fixes? chat seems particularly enraged

[trail bane]

1.317/1.408 = 0.0935

[restive peak]

Brother

[unreal onyx]

I love korraks revenge

so fun

[trail bane]

oh wait

im a fucking idiot

[restive peak]

LOL

[trail bane]

been drinking too much

[restive peak]

I didn't wanna type it

But yeah

[trail bane]

dont do math after the pub

[restive peak]

That would be within the variance I'm saying I would personally find fair

[normal bane]

also sikran might be a better fight to look at tbh, doesnt' princess have damage amps at points

[restive peak]

No

[normal bane]

i thought she took damage when clones charged through

[restive peak]

The only real variance to princess is portal assignments

[queen tapir]

you know what if anything

[restive peak]

You lose a decent chunk of uptime overall

[queen tapir]

just nerf our burst aoe

[trail bane]

But yea, we would be 6.5% behind ret even if we get a 5% buff... i think

[queen tapir]

and buff our st

[trail bane]

Im not sure of anything now

[queen tapir]

I dont mind if our aoe is over 10 seconds

ravager or whatever

remove odyns fury from the fucking talent tree

and we are set for life

[normal bane]

on sikran we fucking suck even more, and i doubt every fury in the world gets clones

[restive peak]

IDK man I personally had 4 clones this week it was fuckin awful

I was raging so hard

I wish I had the VOD

[static rock]

thing is they prob wouldn't give us anything to compensate in ST, so everything would suffer for it

[restive peak]

There are 2 separate instances you just hear me go "you gotta be fuckin kidding me"

[queen tapir]

yes the coimpensation for st would be higher admage on execute my man

[restive peak]

Forgot to mute mic

[final birch]

I wouldn't worry about ret

[restive peak]

LEWL

[gaunt moat]

i feel like it's mainly all the downtime on sikran that kills us even tho we're not good st

[final birch]

it's in a great spot

very nicely balanced

[restive peak]

We can't have top tier ST without having game breaking AOE

Fury by design will NEVER be #1-3 ST

[queen tapir]

slayer an execute based hero talent = useless

still last in prio

like ?

[restive peak]

Unless reworked completely

so partially that's a spec identity issue and it likely won't change

[humble plover]

Buff st nerf meat cleaver /shrug

[queen tapir]

what the fuck are we executing when we press that button even

critters in ogrimmar i assume or some shit

[restive peak]

I'd rather have mid ST that we maintain when going AOE

TBH

S3 was perfect

[static rock]

we're cutting the hairs off the mobs

[gaunt moat]

be carefull you'll call the outlaw rogues here

[static rock]

finally someone said it

[restive peak]

This is the other thing frequently forgotten; we maintain A LOT more dps in pure ST than almost every other spec ingame from swapping to AOE

So if we have giga ST, AND we maintain it into AOE, we are broken

[restive peak]

Died on this hill then and I'll die on it now

[normal bane]

a 5% aura buff would stil lhave us like dead last on sikran.....

[final birch]

sikran is not a real boss

[south kayak]

buff CSHB 30% ngl

[final birch]

kyveza is better to look at

[static rock]

simply because we don't have a ton of ST damage boosts from talents

[restive peak]

Exactly, but literally the only fix to that is a re-design for warr

[static rock]

and that ST turns into 5T cleave with just 2 talents

[restive peak]

So as of now, expecting to be upper tier ST is a pipedream and I actually agree with Blizz on that 1

[queen tapir]

5t cleave damage can be reduced

to compensate for more ST

i dont see the issue

[normal bane]

i'd be fine with fury being mid in ST if we at least had arms to swap to still.

[gaunt moat]

yh idunno how they could fix all the downtime for us i guess we'll just be garbage on that boss

[south kayak]

I don't get this

[normal bane]

arms is useless in everything

[south kayak]

why not just let us have good st and 5t cleave

it's that simple

[restive peak]

Yeah the arms murder was uncalled for as fuck

[south kayak]

it's not broken

[normal bane]

arms should be the st or sustained aoe spec

[restive peak]

Because a lot of raid fights are designed for smaller target counts and that's how we ended up in this mess

[normal bane]

let fury have burst aoe

[static rock]

I just want to be like the 30% of classes for ST if our aoe is not the end all be all, cause being kinda good at something and then dogshit at the other is painful no matter what

[queen tapir]

nah

the opposite

arms should be burst

[restive peak]

They're not gonna change their entire design philosphy for furys sake

[queen tapir]

fury should be consistent

[restive peak]

I also prefer fury being consistent

[normal bane]

arms should be a top tier st spec and let fury be mid

[lean heart]

same
i dont mind having mid ST cus theres only like 1-2 pure ST fights per tier anyway

[queen tapir]

it was always that way

[fast galleon]

heard fury was getting nerfed again? lol

[restive peak]

IDGAF if I'm #10 through lust as long as I can climb to #3-4 through proper play across a fight

[raven sorrel]

where??

[normal bane]

whatever they did to arms was not called for at all, i do think it wil lget buffed this week but who knows by how much

[restive peak]

This AM thane no OF build is the most fun I've had this tier

[south kayak]

fake news

[gaunt moat]

in st right?

[restive peak]

and it's because it's a very smooth damage profile

[restive peak]

In general, any fight

But yes ST as well

[gaunt moat]

aim for the first place!!

🙏

[restive peak]

I would frequently start smolderon low and climb steadily, and I enjoyed it, I think it's the best design

I don't want to blow giga 20mil dam every 3mins then semi afk, sounds awful

[normal bane]

what did they even do to arms this patch, i thought it was just the slight slayer nerf that fury caught.

[flat river]

It's that fun?

[queen tapir]

man fuck warriors actually no ? if we are shit we never get invited to m+ if we are decent we never get invited as well if we are op we get invited

[normal bane]

but it like, completely died

[south kayak]

delete our aoe cds and give us more st/cleave damage

thanks

[restive peak]

Feels like DF fury speedwise and damage profile wise

[gaunt moat]

yh i hate this design aswell

[flat river]

How do u enrage

[restive peak]

EOGCD is ramp

[south kayak]

by enraging

[restive peak]

Cuz of AM

Lol

[normal bane]

it sounds awful but it's probably the best damage profile when strong

[flat river]

No like

[normal bane]

just look at venthyr boomkin

[restive peak]

Enrage isn't even a thought

[flat river]

When u charge in

To burst and use cds

How do u enrage

[restive peak]

Yeah but if I can be #7 playing fury or #1 playing dogshit venth boomie I'd personally pick #7 all day

[verbal rivet]

Bring back crit mattering and BT enrages us.

[queen tapir]

the best fury playstyle has to go to season 3 shadowlands jailer with set

[south kayak]

please no

[muted dune]

it hurts to see that not a single open Group for M+ has a Warrior anymore right now and even my own key gets ignored because of Warrior in it

[queen tapir]

That shit was just straight fun to play

[restive peak]

Charge>Reck>BT (get lucky) or >1 RB > Ramp > send, takes like 2-3 s to enrage

[normal bane]

i think i'd take venthyr boomkin, it was egregiously strong

[trail bane]

all i want for fury is to be decent single target while doing good aoe, and arms to be top tier raid single target because their execute is insane

having warrior execute not even being top 3 execute sucks

[flat river]

Wouldn't u want to recklessness first?

[restive peak]

I care about enjoying my playstyle too, if I didn't I'd just meta reroll every tier

[lean heart]

i actually kinda like the OF tier set in s3

[restive peak]

Ye I meant reck charge

[rare forum]

Mists+12, ima reroll 💀

[normal bane]

i wish there was a chart of which specs have the strongest executes

[flat river]

What about swapping a talent over to fresh meat?

[normal bane]

fury is ass when execute is like warriors class identity

[hardy shuttle]

VC kinda fucks tho

[flat river]

VC?

[south kayak]

VC should increase execute damage on 35%

lol

not BT

[normal bane]

vicious contempt

[south kayak]

don't @ me

[flat river]

Ah

[restive peak]

Ye this build runs VC

[normal bane]

vc should just be execute tbh

[restive peak]

I wouldn't bother w FM, it's a minor QOL but DPS loss overall, esp for higher keys

[south kayak]

Remember when FM was good?

[restive peak]

You're in combat so long in high keys that it saves you 1-2 GCDs for an overall net loss, I just don't see the value personally

[south kayak]

I think you used FM in SL

because the enrage uptime wasn't as big

[normal bane]

make execute strong + make frenzy not tied to the target. Thats my wishlist for right now

[queen tapir]

This is all because of the Raging Blow bs

[thin cliff]

☝️ this tbh

[ivory topaz]

Is there like a priority list for critcakes thane AM build? Its so fun but im prolly doing it suboptimally

[normal bane]

frenzy feels like shit

always has

[south kayak]

I just ignore frenzy

in m+

[restive peak]

Prio Ramp > all, then BT/TC/RB as filler

LB as they come up

Send all 3 BTs if enraged when BOP procs

[south kayak]

Lightning bolts?

[restive peak]

That's about it

[queen tapir]

raging blow -> raging blow -> raging blow > blood thirst > > ramapage > execute

is just straight up the dumbest shit

gameplay

[restive peak]

TB xD

I always call it LB

[ivory topaz]

Gotcha i keep doing RA prio my brain too smooth

Now its even smoother with ramp above all

[restive peak]

Yeah it's a lot of fun

[south kayak]

mists 8 i did

[restive peak]

It feels like fury, very fast paced and spammy

[south kayak]

mage is a lot worse geared and i delete packs fast anyway lol

[ivory topaz]

I love it

[normal bane]

that details meter is a crime

the layout

[south kayak]

it's default layout

I use default

[normal bane]

therei s no way thats default

[south kayak]

yeah

look at the quest tracker

[normal bane]

the style of it?

[south kayak]

it's the exact same

yep

style is

[nimble ermine]

its an addon or w.e for it

to mimic default

[wicked dew]

I see so many people with that details skin and I hate it

It definitely didn’t used to be default

[tribal ridge]

Would running am slayer for all raid bosses be bad or should I just use am slayer for brood and ra for everything else?

[bitter palm]

same

[tribal ridge]

I really like am slayer rn

[bitter palm]

something happens on pull

0 dps

something happens when u are ramping

0 dps

dead

[queen tapir]

similar damage

[bitter palm]

might as well jump off

[coarse nest]

You can run am slayer

It’s just easier to desync if you get mechanics

Well you will desync

[bitter palm]

critical strike cake was playing am slayer on kyveza on reclear

[spare drum]

Stupid question perhaps but when useing Berserkers Torment I should use avatar and recklessness seperatly right?

[storm rune]

Do you know if anyone's done a general writeup here on the rotation for it, I've seen a lot of talk over minute optimizations for BT usage but haven't been paying much attention

[gilded flicker]

for m+ im using this one

[unreal wasp]

I don’t need to interrupt in 11s the shamans can do that

[restive peak]

Nah and tbh I don't think there's a ton of variance anyway, everything is very close to each other prio wise as long as you're ramping as much as possible, keeping TC WW up, and sending your free BTs insta

[trail bane]

I made a WCL filter to check the execute dps for the rank 1 arms log on Ky'veza. Its not that bad (this is all the dmg done while boss was at or below 35%):

[storm rune]

good enough for me, thanks Linc. How's the m+ grind going? Y'all start pushing for realsies yet?

[trail bane]

ignore the dps number since im still looking at the entire fight, but only showing dmg instances while boss is within execute range (with 35% execute talent skilled)

[normal bane]

i mainly just mean how much is contributed BECAUSE the boss is in execute, bm hunter just does that damage the whole fight

and execute windows differ per class

[trail bane]

I think no execute class has a larger execute window than 35%

[restive peak]

Nah we're in hard chill mode, throw a key here or there

[trail bane]

Looking at dmg to boss while its below 20% its this

So it becomes better for arms

[restive peak]

Waiting to see where balance falls, what if any nerfs for M+ are coming, and also we're all still like 630/631 so no need to waste a ton of time

[torpid sand]

I wish I could use emotes from other servers here

[trail bane]

Sure that log has the rank 1 arms warrior so hes pretty good, the other dps might not be as good at pressing buttons as he is

[graceful helm]

please god nerf us some more

[restive peak]

Once we're all like 634 + and the balance seems to have settled, we'll go HAM to get all 15s/a few 16s and be done probably

[coarse nest]

You and everyone else lol

[vague stone]

NW +11

[coarse nest]

Archi ain’t having it

Only the rolled members get to

[restive peak]

[graceful helm]

yeah looks about right

[unreal wasp]

What was your downtime like I did an 11 NW and had similar dmg

[restive peak]

PUG lower keys are such a crapshoot man, like you can't plan CDs, who knows what they're gonna pull etc

[unreal wasp]

Then I did an 11 Mists with 1.58M overall

[odd star]

wait, what free BTs?

[coarse nest]

Love when I full send where I think the pug tank is going to stop then they grab two or three more mobs

[gilded flicker]

Which build

[coarse nest]

Or a whole pack

[gilded pawn]

It’s either 35 or 20

[restive peak]

Burst of power

[vague stone]

i died 1 time but no in big pack

[unreal wasp]

I love this happening then my ravager is just behind me trying to catch up

[vague stone]

i was thane

[unreal wasp]

Yeah I did it on thane too

[gilded flicker]

like this ?

[vague stone]

this

[storm rune]

The point in deft experience worth it over the second reck capstone when you're not using BS?

[brittle glen]

Nothing better than getting absolutely smoked by classes we can't catch up to on dps

[storm rune]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-duck-fimbong-le-sserafim-smoke-duck-fimbong-gif-5076149154833098921

[rare forum]

Mountain + RA sims way higher for me on ST and AoE than Mountain + AM - why are ppl playing AM now`?

[odd star]

for me AM Thane sims higher on AoE

[nocturne dragon]

for aoe purpose kinex

[unreal wasp]

I’m on that galaxy gas pumping in keys and I’m still getting gap’d by shamans and ret pallys life rn just ain’t hitting

[odd star]

i reckon the biggest reason is AM is fun

[rare forum]

huh, interesting

[upbeat plume]

Yeah this is one of those rare times where I'm feeling like taking a break from wow wars have been getting hammered with nerfs for no reason when shamans and rets exist in their current form

[odd star]

i might gear my ret just for fun

class is fun

and they havent let ret be weak for some time now afaik

[upbeat plume]

Cause clearly crazy aoe isn't an actual problem or frost dks ret paladins and shamans would be getting 5 rounds of nerfs like us

[coarse nest]

Well to me it seems like they had a very easy way to nerf our aoe by giving us a lower soft cap

It might not be as simple for the other specs

Realistically if they just tried to balance properly for like one day I don’t see why it couldn’t happen

[odd star]

Fdk might be a bit hard to nerf aoe without completely destryoying its st but hey that was not an issue for us

[boreal cairn]

i feel like soft capping some and not all is a terrrible way to balance, never understood it

[coarse nest]

They just don’t put the effort in clearly

[upbeat plume]

I mean I don't see it being any more complicated we honestly its not rocket science as to what is causing cracked aoe you can literally see it in breakdowns

It's why odyns got nerfed for us

[boreal cairn]

uncapped is ALWAYS going to be better unless they are just tuned to be unplayable

[odd star]

depends on encounter design too. if theres a bunch of cleave encounters in a tier UH dk gonna suck for example

[ornate gust]

Preparing my popcorn and drink for the coming nerf 🍿🥤

[odd star]

my bet is 3 charges meat cleaver touted as QoL so we can Rampage > cb > bb > ww/clap in a more streamlined fashion

[coarse nest]

Probably warlock buffs

Zero warrior changes or more aoe nerfs

Increased threat generation for dps warrior

[summer quail]

nahh we're gonna get the most insignifcant buff ever. like 3% rampage dam

[south kayak]

need that 6% execute buff

[storm rune]

AM stonks going pog!

[coarse nest]

Yeah watch they buff execute for fury

L M A O

[south kayak]

doubt X

[coarse nest]

[vague fern]

what is the AM thane build? i cant find it

[muted dune]

Whirlwind down to 30% cleave damage and 5% aura nerf is my bet

[south kayak]

lmao

[muted dune]

im honestly thinking about taking a wow break, fury feels just so bad right now. There isnt even a single key in my list with a Warrior

[coarse nest]

My damage to 5 targets should be tactical nuke

Otherwise give back burst aoe un capped

[muted dune]

Never gonna happen

[queen tapir]

yeah class is in a bad spot

if its not broken it will never get into keys

unfortunately

[granite glade]

good things are in store for us in the future for sure

[rain bane]

Only 3 things in life is certain

[granite glade]

they're definitely not just arbitrarily shifting things around to make it seem like they're getting work done

[coarse nest]

[vivid moth]

They gave us $90 Bruto to purchase that’s where our buffs went

[coarse nest]

Just wait until they throw balancing out the window and let you pay 5 bucks for your preferred spec iteration

[next canopy]

Fury ain't broken. You are.
Topping Headless Horsemen Meters.💪🏼

[past pivot]

lol

[vast forge]

dude...

[pine thicket]

kek

[sinful glen]

against lvl 45 alts

[south kayak]

we're gonna get nerfed

hide this

[granite glade]

😂

[chilly fractal]

Bladestorm removed we just have to spam Whirlwind

[next canopy]

🤣

[coarse nest]

Show dratnos

[next canopy]

hahaa

[long glacier]

i threw up a lil in my mouth

[next canopy]

Whirlwind with giga haste looks like bladestorm @long glacier

[velvet obsidian]

Ready for a nerf to slaughterhouse damage in PvE

It's coming

[long glacier]

lol

[gilded pawn]

That’s impressive

[sinful glen]

exactly

[gilded pawn]

Lower level the stronger they are

[next canopy]

Test Of Might then WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW EXECUTE

New playstyle

More for arms though

[coarse nest]

“Playstyle”

[next canopy]

It's giga bro

[chilly fractal]

[radiant plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1075592481665716265/arms_rotation.gif

why not this

[velvet obsidian]

Rotation of MS on cooldown, and watching the clock to see when you can MS again

Maybe an overpower

[next canopy]

Again... A king has been born.

[thin cliff]

delete this

[past pivot]

Leave it. Funny he thinks HH is something to show off on

[next canopy]

Take your monkey helmet off and maybe I will.

[torn prairie]

You want more nerfs....

[thin cliff]

who cares what he thinks, blizz might think it

[past pivot]

If Blizz balances around HH damage, I want to play a new game

[torn prairie]

Blizz balances around a magic 8 ball

[past pivot]

Better that the HH

[muted dune]

and all results of the ball say Nerf Fury?

[gaunt moat]

nerf fury (arms at the same time)

[coarse nest]

They clearly balance around heroic raid

[past pivot]

The good news is they can't do much more nerf. Anything else will like a buff. Placebo effect ftw

[muted dune]

all they have to do is nerf prot into the ground as well so that they have a reason to delete the whole class

[velvet obsidian]

Heroic Dungeons*

[coarse nest]

TRUE

[sand thistle]

guys is slayer good in low keys? 10s?

[frank dawn]

It's about as good as any other warrior dps will be

[coarse nest]

Sure

[hard widget]

Well this was a fun day of getting declined to 12's 🙂

[coarse nest]

You can basically run in and auto attack with any talents

[coarse nest]

I gave up already

Seasons over

Friend keys or non

[frank dawn]

3 hours from now the tuning post will save us

surely

[gaunt moat]

tonight is last night of hopium

[frank dawn]

without a doubt

[honest sundial]

ARE WE READY FOR ANOTHER NERF BOYS?
ARE WE HYPED?

[coarse nest]

I tried for 6 hours this past Saturday to get into a 12 key literally spam applied to any and all as often as I could

Not a single one

Fuck it

Already have all 11s

[hard widget]

🤞

[patent light]

Still queuing for 12s ? Damn

10s barely as 2.7k 627

[sage karma]

why does Ret get to do ridiculous fucking damage, nice self heals, etc

but they nerf fury

[patent light]

Unless if I tank

[hallow apex]

they will post class changes today ?

[hard widget]

No im playing my mage right now

[coarse nest]

MAGE

Noooooo

[hard widget]

I mean mage is also kinda badge right now

But Spellslinger arcane is kinda fun

[coarse nest]

Is opener still giga brain for arcane?

I don’t pay much attention to the wizards

[hard widget]

Not really