fury

[inland nebula]

I mean it’s a rework patch with fury tuning in it

[fading sky]

I have no faith left

[turbid bay]

@sick jungle dont forget to buff the aoe by the same amount

[weary sail]

it's a rework patch, except for fury, you guys are getting an AoE nerf cuz fk it

[torpid sand]

meanwhile enhanc shamans with uncapped AOE

[south kayak]

Shamans have capped aoe except for one spell

[weary sail]

arms getting strayed ST nerfs while being a mid spec never cease to make me laugh

[runic violet]

more nerf

[weary sail]

rogues also getting buff while being the second best melee class?

[fading sky]

2% to slayet dmg

[weary sail]

[rocky thistle]

Blizzard hears you, arms to be nerfed again

[fading sky]

So that also hurts arms🤣

[turbid bay]

blizzard balancing sucks

[fading sky]

I mean it has been decent most seasons

But atm

Malaka

[weary sail]

im praying that wowhead is playing jokes on us

[full bison]

out of season april fools

[turbid bay]

no like im serious the changes make absolutely no sense numbers wise

like the changes to frost and stuff is fine but fuck man

mage

[fading sky]

Frost is quite good tbg

[weary sail]

frost DK AoE and ST buffs

[turbid bay]

frost mage had a toxic ice lance rotation

[turbid bay]

so its good to see they trying to weed that shit

[fading sky]

Arms where???

1 guy

[weary sail]

cant even see arms

[fading sky]

Who is that warrior

We must know

[weary sail]

arms so bad in M+ even critcake not playing it

[coarse moon]

Yes this make sense. Ship it boys

[restive fiber]

The bar should get longer

Longer than my phone screen

[jolly mist]

dratnos said we deserve

surely hes right

[crisp prism]

such a poor soul getting hate comments cuz of it

[fading sky]

I mean when his furybwarrior parse 99 on a kill

[jolly mist]

deserved for wrong opinion

[crisp prism]

he legit said fury kills ansurek webs and deserved another nerf lmao

[fading sky]

Ye

[hasty tide]

Dratnos saying DKs need buffs to st but warriors deserved their nerf is a seriously bad take lol

[coarse moon]

Does that chart suggest there's only 20 DPS warriors that will get title assuming season ends now?

[south kayak]

Dratnos is mentally challenged

[restive fiber]

We deserve more nerf to max health and def

Now

[fading sky]

Webs arent as hard as the ones on tindral were?

[frank dawn]

Those stupid fucking webs on Andurek just need to be deleted

[fading sky]

Like those mattered at times a bit

[turbid bay]

who cares if he is 99 parsing on fights that doesnt mean shit

[runic violet]

"Champion's Spear icon has been updated."

[jolly mist]

of didnt hit as hard+we had no bs

[lilac plinth]

Any idea how to get invite to +12

[fading sky]

My point is he was comparing 99 parse to a 60

[lilac plinth]

2721 rio

[jolly mist]

you just don’t

[runic violet]

you don't

roll prot

[jolly mist]

reroll

[fading sky]

Go team red

[jolly mist]

theres ur solution

[fading sky]

Or prot

[runic violet]

I wouldn't even join a group with dps warrior +12

[fading sky]

Prot give bs bs buffs red guy

[crisp prism]

nah solution is dont participate m+ at all and just raid log till they fix this

participation is already low this season

maybe they will do something

[hasty tide]

Join the protests kekw

[jolly mist]

DI NOT RAID LOG

they will nerf us more

[turbid bay]

the holy paladins reverted nerfs

[crisp prism]

their call

[jolly mist]

clearly thats all they look at

[turbid bay]

the warrior community keep catching them after compl.aints

[crisp prism]

i mean we all kinda involuntarily doing that anyway

i somehow managed to do 3 12s

and cant get invited

[hasty tide]

I'm learning prot, I do what I must lol

[turbid bay]

prots fun

[hasty tide]

Tanked a 10 as my first key, basically didn't need healed which was funny

[runic violet]

I farm as prot.. .and play fury at +10 to get disappointed

[turbid bay]

m+ as prot dps war for raid

[runic violet]

dps warrior disappointing at all contents

[hasty tide]

I got all my 10s and a 12 done for the season already, so time to hang up the fury for now

[runic violet]

same

[alpine crown]

Any tips for zekvir ?? level

[undone palm]

I do a little mythic raiding , Im most concerned that the nerfs were because the profile fit the raid so well, and next raid is gonna be booty for melee

[turbid bay]

i mean it is, I mean honestly fury and arms are still doing ok in raids and still do good to decent dmg on certain fights

[crisp prism]

delay interrupt

for victory rush

cd

[hollow elk]

I just want to be mid and under blizzard sniper radar

[hasty tide]

Warrior can obviously do 12s but damn it's hard not to see the stark difference between ours and dk/enhance/rogue damage

[turbid bay]

prot even does some nutty dmg in raid with execute spec feels good to beat dps in dmg

[crisp prism]

dont be shy to press your enrage regen when you are low

[alpine crown]

Delay kicking the heal?

[crisp prism]

should be really easy as fury

[restive fiber]

I love the zones on the boss when u gotta get away and other casters keep dpsing

[crisp prism]

basically try to last second interrupt

[cosmic lance]

Hardest part is not getting cancerous overlaps where you cant hit the egg for 6+ seconds

[crisp prism]

bran usually takes first interrupt

[runic violet]

play pinkman... u are still dpsing as melee

[cold silo]

I haven’t done 12s but I did two 10s and an 11 last night and felt my dmg was about equal to the others and it felt good

[night cedar]

Is RA still viable with the new thane build?

[alpine crown]

What about CDs on the egg? Usually I kill it no problem but it feels like when bad stuff overlaps I can't get good uptime on the egg itself

[torpid sand]

RA is still better, keep up with RA

AM and its desyncs are annoying as fuck

[hasty tide]

The jump from 11 to 12 is significant and even more so beyond imo. But the jump between a dk from a fury is pretty sizeable in total dungeon damage.

[night cedar]

nicee

[cold silo]

Ahh, you have done a lot of 12s as fury?

[cosmic lance]

The size of pulls people are doing and how long they last as keys go up is usually what gets us left behind

[hasty tide]

Attempted a few and timed 1 thus far but essentially mandatory to run your own key as fury

[cold silo]

It’s mandatory to run your own key no matter what, I can’t even get invites to 9s

[hasty tide]

I get invited to 10s/11s all day tbh

But I have a timed 12 and 270p IO which helps

[cold silo]

Your ilvl is probably higher than my 621

[hasty tide]

Second I apply to a 12 I get nothing, which I get

[sick jungle]

621 kinda low

[hasty tide]

Unless I knew the player I would take a dk over a warrior if that's all I had to go off of

[fading sky]

Well theres a point wjere that happend

Ns

[broken zealot]

any of them trinkets in BRD coming tomorrow caught u guys eye? spose coz of the 626 ilvl they may not be good enough

[hasty tide]

Obviously you take the player over the class but you don't know Randoms

[cold silo]

For 10s? How so

[fading sky]

But it feels a bit early vs before

[fading sky]

To get inv

To do em its good

[hasty tide]

I'm 625

[cosmic lance]

621 is fine but you're having people 625-630 also queue

[cold silo]

Oh yeah, that’s why I have to run my own

[cosmic lance]

So they're gonna get an invite over you

[hasty tide]

I'm a dungeon only player

[turbid bay]

i take dks and rarely take warriors when im tanking

the grips is so nice

and they do good dmg

[sick jungle]

yeah, if I'm pugging my own 10/11 I'm not taking a 621 fury warr lol

[cold silo]

My problem is people leave the group as soon as anybody dies, so I never get my vault slots, which is annoying as fuck

[sick jungle]

compared to all the other guys that are applying

[cosmic lance]

Like you have the choice of a 622 off-meta class or a 625-630 meta class, why would you not

[hasty tide]

That's the real issue, is they have the pick of the litter for dps. So you need something to make you stand out outside of your class (IO, ilvl, etc)

[sick jungle]

unless you're somehow like, 621 and 2600+ io maybe?

[turbid bay]

your just a brown boy in a sea of pink and red classes

[cold silo]

I’m 621 2350, got 3 completed 10s this week so at least I got 1 vault slots

[runic violet]

the question is... "would you invite a dps warrior or a join a group with dps warrior"

no u wouldn't

[cosmic lance]

If you're committed to trying to push keys you really need to network with people or reroll meta, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches

[sick jungle]

yeah, pugging will forever be easier for meta slaves

[hasty tide]

Yea, the thing is that most people pug

At least to fill fully

Most players don't have a 5 stack at all times

[sick jungle]

it's exponentially easier for me to pug my 10s on my 622 boomkin than my 626 warrior

and they're the same io

[torpid sand]

i have no idea how you guys play with 2 or more characters

[night relic]

u get bored of one

[sick jungle]

roll a meta class

[night relic]

if ur not pushing the top

[hasty tide]

2nd character is giga buffed

[torpid sand]

i just stop playing for the season when i'm done

[sick jungle]

yeah tbh I'm benched rn for mythic prog

so what else I got to do with my fury warr

[hasty tide]

Especially if you don't use crests below 619 anymore

[cold silo]

Is it better to run MThane in 10+? I feel like the single target loss isn’t worth it

[sick jungle]

capped on gilded, already done my vault

[hasty tide]

Up to the player

[torpid sand]

it is

[sick jungle]

🤷‍♂️

[torpid sand]

imo it is a lot

[hasty tide]

Thane and slayer perform similar

[fading sky]

St loss is 1%???

[torpid sand]

and you don't lose a lot of single target

[runic violet]

any M+ below 10 is going to be tougher... as ppl are farmed out.

[torpid sand]

like, 5% at most because you don't have opportunity stacks

[sick jungle]

thane feels much better imo

[rocky thistle]

Big electric stomp

[sick jungle]

I just never jived with slayer in keys, I dunno why

[chrome plover]

fun

[rocky thistle]

Feel good

[torpid sand]

Thane sustained AOE is great, even more because in +10s you have both fort and tyr

you need that extra AOE

[turbid bay]

consistent dmg feels good.

[hasty tide]

I play thane for consistent pulls common in pugs, but if you have a coordinated group I bet the burst potential of slayer still feels awesome

[turbid bay]

not having downtime with shit filler aoe feelsbad imo

[sick jungle]

i have no life and progression is fun tbh

[cold silo]

What is the rotation on MThane?

Tblast > Ramp > CB > BT > Tclap ?

[granite trout]

Would thane allow me to not pull aggro from the tank if I get too excited all the time?

[cosmic lance]

You'd be surprised how much time people spend doing nothing when they could be doing alt things

[turbid bay]

yep and it will make you tankier with thane talents

[fading sky]

A bit better

[cosmic lance]

That's how people maintain alts

[hasty tide]

I feel attacked

[turbid bay]

so you can eat swirlies and not die

[sick jungle]

less burstier for sure

[granite trout]

I like the sound of that

[sick jungle]

but I definitely can still pull if I get a little too trigger happy

[rocky thistle]

Punish your healer double odyn fury on pull and grab aggro

[torpid sand]

i mean, you can still not pull aggro from tank if you wait 3-4 seconds before bursting

[hasty tide]

Shadow meld better be part of your rotation lol

[turbid bay]

have you seen some tanks?

[runic violet]

that's all fury warriors do in pug.

[turbid bay]

damage optimisation and threat isn't really the strong suit of some tank players

[sick jungle]

i thought we aren't supposed to double OF

[undone palm]

thats all melee, but you have heroic leap - what zones are you talkin about

[sick jungle]

does the dot not clip itself

[hasty tide]

Depends on the class and if they have defensives going into the group

Some tanks need set up

Dk/dh in particular

[chrome plover]

but if you do you get more aggro

[sick jungle]

[turbid bay]

like i say aggro is just another meter to top

[rocky thistle]

Double odyn for power move

[cold silo]

How do you double odyns when it has a 45 sec cd

[cosmic lance]

The number of BDKs i've seen proc their cheat 1 second into a pull this season is comical

[north geyser]

if I wanted to take Sudden Death in cleave, what talents should I drop and how much dmg would I lose? I just wanna press my cool sounding button ;-;

[torpid sand]

that's why you should only invite prot wars

[chrome plover]

avatar does one

[cold silo]

ahh

[granite trout]

Well that's what I mean by getting too excited sometimes lol Sometimes I wanna just charge and pop odyn and that's enough to do it

[hasty tide]

Guardian druid is probably the best tank for fury warriors tbh

[shell wigeon]

Titans torment?

[granite trout]

When I join a group and it's mage tower skin bear

[torpid sand]

man

imagine what dungeons they will bring from the dead in season 2

if they bring back spires of ascension i'm killing myself from disgust

[full bison]

KR

[cold silo]

Do you push Crushing Blow or Bloodthirst after Ramp when playing MThane?

[cosmic lance]

They fact they brought back mists, siege and NW is treason

[fading sky]

Mists and nw i enjoy

[torpid sand]

Mists is not so bad this season, NW is top tier garbage tho

[hasty tide]

Spires of Ascension is my guess

[fading sky]

But nw bosses hello

[normal bane]

when are they going to bring back maw of souls as a break glass in case of emergency dungeon

[cosmic lance]

Mists got spammed to death when it was current

[torpid sand]

Spires of Ascension is a big fuck you in the face

[cosmic lance]

NW has been awful forever

And i have PTSD from bolstering siege

[torpid sand]

i thought grim batol was going to be terrible, but it's not so bad after all

[cosmic lance]

YOu never forget the giant spotter

He haunts your dreams

[granite trout]

I really like gb

[normal bane]

grim batol is terrible, you were right the first time

[granite trout]

but I think that's around when I started playing. gives me the nostalgia

[normal bane]

when a 6 mob pull is considered big in a dungeon

you've gone wrong

[restive granite]

this is how im feeling right now

[tulip swallow]

It's big to Ion

[gaunt moat]

Shrine from bfa + spires from SL

[restive granite]

but with warr

instead of aug

[normal bane]

tbh it doesn't matter what dungeons they bring back

they'll find a way to aids it up

more than it was

[sick jungle]

whats so bad about gb

[normal bane]

everything?

small pulls, a million kicks

[full bison]

what is good about gb?

[normal bane]

2nd boss sucks

3rd*

4th boss + affix

[torpid sand]

imo only the last pull in GB is bad

nothing else

[normal bane]

legit everything is terrible

the dragon flying rp

[torpid sand]

4th boss is free wtf

[normal bane]

4th boss + the affixes

[lament hinge]

if u fail the kicks youre just terrible

[normal bane]

are not free

[cosmic lance]

There's a lot of bosses where the affix orbs are not thought well

[gaunt moat]

3rd boss is the worst design tho

[normal bane]

if you pull 1 pack at a time sure

but a dungeon that forces you to pull 1 pack at a time(3-4 mobs) is so fucking badly designed

[torpid sand]

3rd boss sucks but some tanks find a way to keep the boss stuck in the wall while they take all the whirlwinds(coughprot warscough)

[normal bane]

you can't even double pull that little pack of 3 on the sides of 2nd boss, because they have 4 tank busters

[lament hinge]

u have the same thing going on in city of threads and its far worse than gb if thats your issue

[normal bane]

that will fuck your shit up

why can't both dungeons be shit?

[turbid bay]

2nd boss of ara kara is dogshit for orbs they spawn in the zone

[torpid sand]

i thought i was not going to see a dungeon worse than Spires of Ascension

But Stonevault exists

Easily my top 1 worst dungeon

[normal bane]

stonevault at least has big pulls which can make it fun

gb has nothing

not a single redeeming quality

[torpid sand]

fuck the big pulls

skarmorak design is shit

[turbid bay]

stonevault is the worst this season

imo

[cosmic lance]

I don't really mind stonevault other than pugs are inexplicably awful at it

[molten spire]

GB and stv have been insta depletes for me

When pugging

[normal bane]

big pulls are like 80% of the fun as a dps

[lament hinge]

gb is good, only problem with gb is the dragons else i dont have problem with that dungeon

[cosmic lance]

I have seen so much complete smoothbrain behaviour in SV its insane

[normal bane]

no one likes pulling 3 mobs every pull for the whole dungeon

[turbid bay]

if your group doesnt use stops or interrupts its miserable

[molten spire]

Every time I get in that dungeon people pull the whole first corridor

sure it's fun

[turbid bay]

or for some reason doesnt aim a totem

[molten spire]

it also save 15 seconds maybe

[turbid bay]

which as a prot warrior only shield slam fucking works on the totem

[cosmic lance]

Then someone misses the fear and you all die

[molten spire]

except if you get 1 death you are already worse of

[turbid bay]

dogshit design

[torpid sand]

yesterday my tank was stupid enough to pull the two last packs with shamans

[odd star]

siege is a warcrime...

[torpid sand]

i literally screamed "YOU DUMB FUCK NO"

[molten spire]

Mists is fine

[cosmic lance]

Current siege is infinitely better than original siege

[molten spire]

it's a nothingburger of a dungeon

not too har

[normal bane]

the first pull only has 1 fear mobs, 2 if you go really big

[odd star]

original siege was a crime against humanity

[normal bane]

just kick it yourself

[torpid sand]

dw guys they will bring Tol Dagor back next season, we are saved

[full bison]

original alliance siege

[turbid bay]

you cant kick them all yourself and every one goes full baboon with lust on

absolute animals in my pugs

[normal bane]

if you pull 4 fear mobs in 1 pull

you're wiping with or without the fear going off

[gaunt moat]

I dunno why ppl don't like tol dagor it feels fine no?

[normal bane]

unless it's a +2

[molten spire]

just pull 2 packs then 2 packs

[torpid sand]

because tol dagor is bugged as fuck

don't ever bring a boomkin with you if you ever run tol dagor

[full bison]

TD just had to many ways pulling thing through walls

[molten spire]

Same as the fucking tank not waiting for the stacks to die down

and pulling pat and pack at the same time

[cosmic lance]

It's probably the most bugged dungeon to ever exist

[turbid bay]

thats a stupid pack but you can just kite it

[tulip swallow]

Pulling through walls, pulling through ceilings, there's no fucking space so you can't see anything, etc

[torpid sand]

oh man and Uldaman

[gaunt moat]

Maybe i've nostalgia that's why i don't remember it being that bad

[torpid sand]

Fucking Uldaman

[tulip swallow]

there are so many reasons tol dagor sucks

[cosmic lance]

The final boss was also a nightmare on high keys

[normal bane]

Not with a dh

[cosmic lance]

The cannons were a logistical nightmare

[full bison]

not having a dh dps making the boss much harder

[normal bane]

At least back then

[tulip swallow]

The canon sections are also dumb and poorly implemented, basically hard forcing a misdirect or tricks

[gaunt moat]

The final boss there was a sweet spot where tanks could see nothing but dps everything and lot of places to spread the little circles

And almost never dodge the canon

[mossy fox]

nah not necessarily - just because it sims well doesn't mean it'll be better in practice. I think roar will still be the play but I'll give spear a try

[sick jungle]

this chat rn

[torpid sand]

nah i love GB

[acoustic yoke]

spear in keys?

[torpid sand]

GB is very fun for me

SV in the other hand is my personal nightmare

[turbid bay]

ill take grim over stonevault

[tulip swallow]

I'm the solo warrior with no fdk on broodkeeper Why you gotta do this to me blizzard

[heavy dock]

Gb is fun except first boss snoozefest

[torpid sand]

i have no idea how i +2ed a +10 SV yesterday

i was flabbergasted

[unreal violet]

bc its easy (:

[torpid sand]

well, the enhanc shaman did 2.2M overall

so that might explain

but still

[heavy dock]

Wtf

Lmao

[torpid sand]

Tempest

Tempest everywhere

[heavy dock]

Was it only giga pulls?

[gaunt moat]

Getting an enrage at the start of a dungeon/ pack doesn't feel fine with the spear thane build i tried it without the buffs yet it cranks a lot in st tho but damn does it feel long to get your first rampage if you don't get enrage from bt

[torpid sand]

Tank was crazy enough to pull the first whole corridor + the 2 first golems

i have never seen

such an insane pull

[acoustic yoke]

enhance about to be even more criminal tmrw

[heavy dock]

Jeez

[torpid sand]

and we did not die

[signal zinc]

do i use thunder clap instead of whirlwind to get the cleave as mountain thane?

[acoustic yoke]

yes

[heavy dock]

Thats a lot of fears

[turbid bay]

yes

[heavy dock]

To kick

[sick jungle]

correct

[turbid bay]

unbind whirlwind

[cosmic lance]

Yeah i wasn't far off a +2 10 SV and i was top dam at 1.5m

[torpid sand]

you won't even need to count 4 uses because you will use that shit all the time

if it procs, you use

that's the rule

[cosmic lance]

It goes pretty fast if its smooth

[gaunt moat]

What

Did you have a boomie?

[signal zinc]

but i only use it with a proc OR when the 4 stacks are gone right?

[torpid sand]

no

[sick jungle]

thats a wild pull tbh

[torpid sand]

I had a FERAL

[sick jungle]

feral pumps

[torpid sand]

Feral, Fury and Enhanc

[hasty tide]

Yea I've always seen it broken into 2 pulls max

[torpid sand]

Feral DPS was just INSANE

[hasty tide]

The slams of that many golem

[gaunt moat]

Dunno how you handled these one billion kicks then

[torpid sand]

everything died too fast

[hasty tide]

It's not the kicks, it's the golem smashes lol

[torpid sand]

• we lusted

[cosmic lance]

rotate aoe stops, lust, everything dies

[reef loom]

Need warrior buffs asap

[cosmic lance]

dead mobs dont need kicks

[sick jungle]

ye golem smash stacks

[sick jungle]

lmao

[torpid sand]

I also had AOE Storm Bolt + big AOE stun to help

[gaunt moat]

Both i feel like the golems isn't the hardest part we got all defensives at the start

[sick jungle]

stops feel so useless this season

[torpid sand]

The full comp was Evoker, Feral, Fury, Enhanc and Guardian Druid

Turbo weird comp

[gaunt moat]

Oh

[torpid sand]

But eh, it worked

[sick jungle]

honestly don't hate it

[torpid sand]

I never played Feral

[sick jungle]

lust brez MOTW bshout windfury

sheesh

[signal zinc]

could i also play ravager instead of bladestorm with the mountain thane build? or is it way worse?

[torpid sand]

Is it like, a 100% dot class?

[torpid sand]

You need to use Ravager

[sick jungle]

most play rav

[acoustic yoke]

you're supposed to

[torpid sand]

Bladestorm is a DPS loss

Ravager procs your Lightning Strikes

[sick jungle]

bleeds and big burst

[signal zinc]

oh nice, i just checked Archon and there it says baldestorm

[torpid sand]

Archon?

[sick jungle]

nom nom bites

[torpid sand]

Nah go to wowhead mate

[sick jungle]

#dps-faq

[signal zinc]

yea idk isnt that the new subcreation just in worse?

[acoustic yoke]

procs ur BT

[torpid sand]

yeah BT sorry

[sick jungle]

i actually like the thane opener

feels methodical

[torpid sand]

that's what everyone usually uses

you can remove crackling thunder

to use rumbling earth

i do that

it's more useful to the group

[odd star]

what is an archon

[sick jungle]

crackling thunder not really needed

[torpid sand]

yeah agree

[sick jungle]

the range is nice but I don't even really notice it

[acoustic yoke]

site to find out what top people use basically

used to be called subcreation

[torpid sand]

i use murlok.io instead lol

[acoustic yoke]

till wlogs took the site or something

so now it's archon.gg

[torpid sand]

https://murlok.io/warrior/fury/mm+

thane chads

oh

Bizentein is using bitter immunity

that's interesting

[glad coyote]

not really

[torpid sand]

and vicious contempt instead of titanic rage

🧐

i should test that

BT really crits a lot

[eternal sundial]

Ye it's just better

[torpid sand]

and crits hard

[acoustic yoke]

it's a viable strat that's like 1% better

the only reason most people don't is cause of just not thinking of enraging b4 cds

[turbid bay]

yeah no reason to run rage just instant rampage on opener

[torpid sand]

yeah it makes sense

i often use rampage before OF because i forget that OF enrages me

so i think vicious contempt would be better for my personal gameplay

[signal zinc]

when exactly do i use ravager in my opener then?

not used to it

[sick jungle]

i won't give up TR

too small brained and I am an avid swifty 1 shot macro user

[turbid bay]

its better to not run after the patch with the set buffs

[torpid sand]

CDs -> Blast -> Roar -> Rav -> Rampage -> Blast -> OF -> CB -> Ramp -> CB -> continue ST

that's how i do my opener

and it works well

[signal zinc]

also it says to use TR in enrage but there is not snapshotting? so i doesnt matter right?

[acoustic yoke]

why you sending ur blast before ur roar? just curious

[gaunt moat]

Don't forget

[torpid sand]

because it's an instant proc and you want to spend it as fast as youcan

[glacial roost]

What heroic talents are you carrying?

[sturdy violet]

@signal zinc 🥹you playing again?

[torpid sand]

that way you have enough time for the next blast

[restive granite]

there it is

[torpid sand]

i'm watching max top 10 worst M+ dungeons and i'm not the only one that hates Spires holy fuck

[signal zinc]

kinda, the new fury build with mountain thane and thunder clap looks kinda fun

[acoustic yoke]

yeah but between that one gcd you're not going to munch a proc

[sick jungle]

think it's better to CDS/roar > ramp > rav > TB > CB > ramp > OF > CB > TB

[acoustic yoke]

you only really start munching when you ravage

[glacial roost]

With mountain is working better ?

[hazy plinth]

Thane build is stupid fun on AOE, sucks on ST

[acoustic yoke]

and even then you have a whole gcd b4 a free BT is sent

[modest condor]

tol dagor not even showing up in 2 of the lists means it's a bad list anyway

[cold silo]

I see most of the top mythic+ fury warrs are Night Elf is it that important?

[restive granite]

tol dagor was only shit imo cause of the buggy mess it was, you would pull the crocs in the sewers while being in the second floor if you aoe in most of the hallways

[hazy plinth]

Btw I'm really beating myself up here, because I've never had this problem before. I'm not pulling anywhwere near the damage of similarly geared furys in my Guild. I've improved somewhat but really feel like I'm leaving way too much damage on the floor.

[acoustic yoke]

not really

[hazy plinth]

Particluarly in single target.

[acoustic yoke]

it's just to avoid threat if you get it

when you're bursting

[meager anchor]

is the updated fury guide released somewhere yet?

[sick jungle]

it's a nice quality of life thing having meld

[median dust]

I put two points in VC when I’m feeling groggy

[gaunt moat]

Spires of ascension and its one BILLION cleaves

[molten spire]

Check your casts per minute

[acoustic yoke]

worgen boss top 10 bosses of time wdym?

[cosmic lance]

Meld was good for avoiding a lot of mechanics in m+ so a lot of people have just stuck with it

[molten spire]

Basically compare a log of yours to one theirs

[turbid bay]

basically this or talk to your other fury warriors and see what they are doing different

[past pivot]

Check updates channel. It’ll be there

[thick fossil]

How xan they hate on "De Other side"?

[hazy plinth]

I have been, they make it sound simple and that's just frustrating me more. I've never had this problem before.

I feel like I'm trying to solve some cryptic puzzle

[acoustic yoke]

is this in raid?

[turbid bay]

is it mythic fights?

[meager anchor]

ty sir

[turbid bay]

cause optimisation comes from cd planning

[hazy plinth]

Mostly raid, Haven't been able to get into mythics much

[acoustic yoke]

cause in raid it's a game of who can snipe fastest

[turbid bay]

mythic is all about cd planning

[hazy plinth]

Mostly focused on ST boss damage.

[turbid bay]

map the fight out plan your cooldowns around adds

[restive granite]

in raid 99% of your log depends on cooldown planning

and not dying

[hazy plinth]

Yeah not dying is important.

[rigid stirrup]

And killtime

[hazy plinth]

But i don't like beeing in the 600K range when I know I can do much better.

[turbid bay]

if your holding some cooldowns for 15-20 seconds usually its worth if your getting some mad add value

[restive granite]

yeah but thats out of your control, and if hes comparing himself with guildies then theyre all in the same footing

[turbid bay]

but you will have to test and assess yourself

check top logs

[acoustic yoke]

your logs posted in log review would paint a clearer picture

[hazy plinth]

I try to keep everything on CD unless I have a big AOE burn coming up.

[acoustic yoke]

cause it could be any manner of things

[hazy plinth]

I'll have to start recording more.

[turbid bay]

pink parses will always min max the shit outta stuff have a look at their cds planning to take the effort out of it

[restive granite]

its also luck, if you get targeted with mechanics over and over again during your cds theres little you can do

[turbid bay]

like on fights like rasha'nan for example i will hold almost everything apart from odyns for the first set of adds

pre-pop avatar reck get knockbacked > thunderous (while they are getting grouped) > Bladestorm

for example

[molten spire]

Given it's ST there isn't too much to game on cds

you gotta make sure you are always casting something

[restive granite]

you can always pre plan to hold cds for 2-5 seconds if a mechanic is coming and see if youre targeted

like on kyveza portals

and send after

[molten spire]

Practicing on a dummy helps a bunch

[hazy plinth]

Yeah, I mean Princess does have a lot of jumping out. Can't do much about that. Just feeling very frustrated when running with the other warriors and they are chart topping and I'm low. Gear isn't much different but I'm just kicking myself.

[turbid bay]

yeah having avatar and reck running when your in downtime hurts alot

[normal bane]

what ilvl are you/how much are you actually doing

princess heroic isn't that bad unless you just get every mechanic, you can leao out with lines last second

[hazy plinth]

615, running Heroic NP

[normal bane]

charge back and dps until you need to drop your balls

[smoky vale]

if this is a problem you need to greed your uptime more

[normal bane]

then just back up

[smoky vale]

yeah

you are also just 10-15 ilevels down against people who have been playing since start

[hazy plinth]

Yeah, sad thing is I HAVE been playing since start. Just can't seem to get into mythic + groups, so my IO is stupid low since I haven't completed much. Now can't get into them at all.

[normal bane]

you don't need mythic raid to be like 626

at all

[pure moon]

learn prot lol tanks get into groups much easier

[normal bane]

and just tank m+ if you can't find groups

or start your own

[molten spire]

But without a log it's hard to say where things are going wrong

[hazy plinth]

I can tank. Just a lot more responsiblity and I got tired of it over the years.

[normal bane]

if you want to get in groups you throw on a shield

thats just the way it owrks

[hazy plinth]

Yeah might have to bite the bullet.

[pure moon]

no one cared about me until i put on the shield

[worthy mountain]

No ones inviting a warrior

[nocturne dragon]

Yeah like Green said, basically right now ppl won't accept warrior dps on pugs.

[worthy mountain]

Take control

[normal bane]

it helps right now that prot is is really really good

[molten spire]

Running your own keys is good

Be picky

[nocturne dragon]

tank they have no choice but to accept us since there is not much tank class and tank players are quite limited too

[normal bane]

running your own keys will also give you perspective as to why no one invites you

[molten spire]

and just run +8s

[hazy plinth]

I was tanking heroics for the weekly. DPS was so bad I switched back fury for the last boss..... Was actually pretty funny.

[normal bane]

would you invite teh 615 no io fury warrior or the 628 fdk

[hazy plinth]

Fury tank.

[molten spire]

classic brained

[normal bane]

so many dps queue for keys, no one is going to invite dps that arent high ilvl, meta and decent io

[pure moon]

good ol days lol

[hazy plinth]

No, no. I tanked as Arms in classic.

[nocturne dragon]

I think if you put the same 615 and no io for both spec ppl will take fdk over fury for sure.

[molten spire]

I would take I think pretty much every other spec over warr with the same ilvl/io

[pure moon]

frost dk broken and getting an 8% buff lol

[normal bane]

warrior is not that bad lmao

its just not fdk/mage/sin

[hazy plinth]

DKs have been broken for 16 years.

[verbal vortex]

Do we think we will see more Fury ST over arms now with these changes btw?

Or not significant enough?

[nocturne dragon]

sadly no

[molten spire]

i'd take any shaman over a warr as well

[pure moon]

shaman stronk too

[molten spire]

And probably any evoker

[normal bane]

forgot shamans

[molten spire]

[pure moon]

been gearing an enhance and theyre fun

[normal bane]

i would not touch an aug that i don't know is good

[pure moon]

^

[molten spire]

Yeah aug is spooky. Dest is fine

[sick jungle]

i heard the button bloat is rough on enh

kinda getting fixed in .05 though

[pure moon]

it feels a lot like outlaw which was my main for years so its one of those classes i just understand

[verbal vortex]

shit just go DK and never look back, these dudes are Neo with how they are dodging nerfs

[pure moon]

for real its crazy\

[hazy plinth]

I mean the Thane build on Fury for AOE is stupid good. It's like a brainless 1.5m dps.

[verbal vortex]

Its pretty fun

[molten spire]

Clapping is fun

and good deps

and quite tanky

[pure moon]

No healer all DK groups lol

[nocturne dragon]

but you have to remember there are FDK and Ret Pally

[hazy plinth]

Does anyone actually play unholy?

[pure moon]

unholy rips if you pull around them

there was some clip of unholy doing like 20m on first SV pull

[normal bane]

unholy is really op

its just overshadowed by fdk

[hazy plinth]

Yeah, I just never see any.

[orchid dagger]

Because FDK exists

[hazy plinth]

Yeah sad when one spec just makes another obsolete. Like I love the big chonky hits that Arms drops, but meh.

[sick jungle]

so play arms

[sour abyss]

Pick your favorite wet noodle

[nocturne dragon]

Hmmm I like ramen 👍

[timber hare]

[hazy plinth]

I like the hits, but I'm just not great at playing it, nor am I sure it's worth it.

[frozen portal]

Are serveeees up?

[sick jungle]

7 hours to go my man

[frozen portal]

Damm

Full day for patch?

[sick jungle]

perfect day to go into the office

yessir it's a big patch]

[sour abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-optimistic-goliath-s4ep2-its-hopeful-very-confident-gif-23201343

[hazy plinth]

I'm at work so no gaming. lol

[glad coyote]

dont you work from home?

[sick jungle]

honestly, with blizz's track rec

it's either going to be 7h-7.5hrs maint, or 10+ hrs

[hazy plinth]

I wish I could work from home, but apparently hard to fix physical hardware remotely.

[sage ridge]

I had this experience the opposite way around. I played Enhance and made an Outlaw rogue and it felt very easy even though a lot of people struggle with it.

[sick jungle]

money > gaming

is what i wish i could tell myself

[hazy plinth]

no no... money -> gaming

[sick jungle]

[glad coyote]

go software man, you have a higher chance of getting outsource if you fix physical stuff

happened to me twice

[hazy plinth]

I work for DoD, my job is about as secure as it gets.

[glad coyote]

there ya go than

[hazy plinth]

Don't make the big bucks like I could doing corporate contract work, but have my consistent 8 hour days and plenty of leave.

[inland nebula]

I miss work from home

[pure moon]

yeah the high apm of both classes make the transition smoother than if you played a very slow class

[hazy plinth]

I just want one day a week for telework, I don't need to be in the office for the admin stuff.

[frozen portal]

I wfh in advertising my job is either 12 hour work day or 2 meetings and watch tv

[pure moon]

same lol

[manic mirage]

Off topic but does anyone know what the general soft caps are on secondary stats and what percentages I should be shooting for?

[pure moon]

not advertising but working from home and its crazy or nothing

[frozen portal]

Th best is a quiet day where u have time for mid day gym when it’s empty

[hazy plinth]

Yeah was always nice to be able to chill with the dogs, go outside and cook lunch.

[sick jungle]

technically your question is more on topic than what we're talking about

and my answer is

sim your character

[frozen portal]

[errant surge]

yo do we know anything about the new trinkets? something to target?

[manic mirage]

Gotcha where would I do that?

[sick jungle]

i don't even look at my stat sheet, i just sim my char

wait

raidbots.com

[frozen portal]

I hate raid bots

[idle ember]

who's excited to keep developing carpal tunnels just so we can do 200k dps less than a 612 ret pal

[frozen portal]

I wish it was like the classic sim that just told me what the best items to go for were

[manic mirage]

Lololol, no kidding our top DPS and our Guild are three paladins with the exception of a few fights where I can beat two of the three but I'm always 200k DPS behind our top DPS who is a ret alley

[sick jungle]

i've already rolled boomkin for my guild

so my tunnels are safe

[frozen portal]

I felt pain in my fingers for the first time in years last week running m plus

[idle ember]

yeah same when i wake up the tips of my fingers feel numb now

left hand only

[forest owl]

its ok theyre going to do more tuning this week when they see how broken frost dk is

[pure moon]

their going to buff it more of course

[bleak fox]

[sick jungle]

show details

[eternal abyss]

You mean Arcane gets another buff so that they are above Frost?

[idle ember]

absolute chad pally

[bleak fox]

it was like 3 days ago

[sick jungle]

[pure moon]

sunfury getting an 11% buff was wild to see

[glad coyote]

no they wont

[idle ember]

are we bout to be bottom dps on that first necrotic wake/sv pull now with target caps?

[glad coyote]

yes

[nocturne dragon]

yes

[idle ember]

that was one of the few high points of those dungeons for me

[pure moon]

fun detected

[sick jungle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LJHYt7E9P5g?si=ZVE2w7aaXTJqtQFH

[bleak fox]

but like

[glad coyote]

the way she bouncing

[bleak fox]

balance is the Ryze of WoW

this will be its 146th rework since mop

[sick jungle]

i wish i had a standing desk with a walking pad

i got the walking pad but no standing desk

[bleak fox]

https://tenor.com/view/rw-martin-randy-martin-squat-walk-gif-15751173

[uneven plaza]

im dooming

[bleak fox]

i sort of rerolled to prot and until those thiefs of joy start nerting that as well im good

[flat river]

Anyone else low-key misses Fury Warrior DF gameplay

[fallen ginkgo]

yes me

[bleak fox]

i miss legion fury gameplay

[flat river]

We used to top dps meters in m+ always

[pure moon]

i prot in keys in dps in raid

[prisma rose]

[flat river]

This also

[sick jungle]

how many times has that been posted today

[prisma rose]

Yes

[sick jungle]

honestly, lets just be happy we aren't warlocks

they're down bad bad

[restive granite]

not enough

[teal pine]

Legion fury with barely functional aoe. I don’t miss that

[flat river]

Battlecry+rampage+15% dmg talent at max rage+reckless abandon talent that gave 100 rage+Odyn's fury

[prisma rose]

Or sub rogue, they are not even there

[bleak fox]

i just miss the 7.3.5 fury with the goddamn cof from nighthold being the bis lmao

[unreal frost]

we could be feral druids

[bleak fox]

those were the days

[sick jungle]

i meany the class in general, rogues have 2 specs that are performing

[flat river]

Belt legendary+wrecking ball?

[fickle bluff]

what

[sick jungle]

warlocks are the worst pure dps class and nt a single spec of their is considered good

just ok

[hazy plinth]

Dude the legendary abilitys with Fury in legion was sweet

[sick jungle]

and then they're getting nerfed lol

[prisma rose]

Nono

[sick jungle]

feelsbadman

[prisma rose]

Rogue bad

Buff moar ty

[chrome plover]

dont let the warlocks propagandize you

[flat river]

No

Buff mage more plz

12% buff to arcane isn't enough

[prisma rose]

I dont main mage, kill mage

[unreal frost]

I miss one shotting bear duids with draught of souls pre nerf in wpvp

[hazy plinth]

I think Holy Paladins need another nerf. lol

[bleak fox]

they will never do that to their baby

[flat river]

YES

[prisma rose]

Its wow protagonist :/

[teal pine]

Outside cds never being enraged just pressing ww and bt

[flat river]

DoS+CoF

Best time ever

[nocturne dragon]

I really question blizz balance team, they seems don't know their own game.

[bleak fox]

they put khadgar in a wheelchair to collect dust in dornogal

[prisma rose]

[hazy plinth]

Dadgar is gonna jump out of that chair WWE style.

[flat river]

They all play mage no other classes

[bleak fox]

rKo-ing the feetlady next patch

[unreal frost]

Wheelchair recasted as a steel chair on xal'atath from the top rope

[tender magnet]

Two homebrew memes

[flat river]

Warcraft movie 2 when

[tender magnet]

Use them as you see fit

[prisma rose]

[tender magnet]

Whoops let me fix something on the meme

[flat river]

Something is wrong

I only see 1 fury warrior meme

Should be both

[tender magnet]

There I fixed it

The original template for this meme has an extremely bad word in it which is why people reduce the resolution to an ungodly degree

[bleak fox]

in this economy?

[flat river]

I really loved the first one

[tender magnet]

That shit was dookie poopy

[flat river]

Don't make it a direct sequal (continuance) just make it about WotLK

[tender magnet]

Nah not even that deep

[restive granite]

nighthold fury warrior with font of souls iirc

bring that back

[tender magnet]

Just make it a film illustration of the Arthas novel by Christie Golden

[flat river]

Cast henry cavil as arthas

[bleak fox]

no such fun is allowed

only for mages and paladins

and for dk bc its the flavor of the month

[hazy plinth]

Problem with the WC movie was it really didn't sell to non-fans. So didn't even make back it's budget till it went to China. China loved it.

[tender magnet]

It didn't sell it to fans either tbf

They mutilated the lore

[flat river]

It sold to me

[pure moon]

i liked it

[flat river]

Real

[tender magnet]

The writing was terrible too

[hazy plinth]

I wouldn't say they mutliated it. They adapted it for a movie runtime.

[tender magnet]

Pacing was horrendous

[tender magnet]

Killing off Blackhand?

Forcing the romance between Anduin Lothar and Garona?

Killing off Durotan?

[sick jungle]

there's something about green women

[hazy plinth]

Well Durotan DID die.

[sick jungle]

garona, gamora

[flat river]

Real

[burnt kelp]

making doomhammer a frost wolf for no reason?

[sick jungle]

:chefskiss:

[tender magnet]

Way after the events of that war

[burnt kelp]

hyping blackhand for 2 fucking hours only to be one shot by an anime combo of ragnar fucking lothbrok?

[hazy plinth]

I mean they would have to make a full blown series if they were going to go that in depth into the lore.

[tender magnet]

Durotan was assassinated by the remnants of the Shadow Council

NOT by Gul'dan in the middle of the First War

[flat river]

That i agree with

[unkempt vector]

anyone had an issue when trying to import a talent build that it only imports the first few lines and not the full build ?

[hazy plinth]

Can't have unresolved threads in a movie.

[spiral ridge]

If only our recklessness was as good as it was then 😕

[burnt kelp]

not burning stormwind to the ground which was the high point of wc1?

[flat river]

Recklessness is literally the worse cd in the game

[hazy plinth]

Gonna submit viewers to a Dune level intro exposition to explain everything. lol

[heavy dock]

Draught of souls my beloved..

[tender magnet]

That too

[bleak fox]

wth

guys

look

[heavy dock]

Back when odyn’s fury felt impactful too

[burnt kelp]

doomhammer betraying durotan for no reason?

[bleak fox]

https://imgur.com/ErC1M6Y

[heavy dock]

??

[bleak fox]

i've never seen an ele shaman do their thing in this expac

lmao

[heavy dock]

Wtf id this man lmao

[sick jungle]

was ptr and already nerfed

[tender magnet]

I'm gonna hang myself

[spiral ridge]

Sadly yeah, it's boring af now

[bleak fox]

re-phrase, i've seen them definetly but most of them were dookies
also didnt know that this was in ptr

[flat river]

Oh and btw

Every class ingame

Has cleave that is softcapped

Except warrior

[heavy dock]

Huh

[flat river]

We use ww

And hit 5 targets

[heavy dock]

Which is hard capped

[flat river]

Exactly

[heavy dock]

Tragic

[flat river]

Every other class has softcap

Like pali

[verbal rivet]

Palis hero talent not having a soft cap is wild

Divine Storm, 40M Dawnlight damage

[eternal sundial]

They dont play that one

[flat river]

Palis stole our unrelentless onslaught talent

[heavy dock]

They play hammer now anyway no

[verbal rivet]

Some still do bc “Templar is hard”

[eternal sundial]

They play hammer

[eternal sundial]

Paladin very difficult

[runic violet]

Hammer is fun

[south kayak]

pressing an ability after wake of ashes is hard

HOLY

[heavy dock]

I want that legendary from legion back that made whirlwind hit 300% harder

[eternal sundial]

It's moreso shake and the stacks

[heavy dock]

It actually made ww do dmg on procs

[verbal rivet]

I’ve had people say it in pugs. It made me heated

[flat river]

WW dealt dmg in legion

[hasty tide]

Someone said I should post on the forums, surely blizzard listens (also the last time a dev posted in warrior forum)

[flat river]

Belt made it hit 1 more time

[south kayak]

I wouldn't say that was damage

[flat river]

Wrecking ball

[verbal rivet]

Better then now

[south kayak]

based on the fact that ww was your entire damage after using cds

it wasn't good

your damage went down even harder than now

in legion after cds

[flat river]

Just putting this out there

[south kayak]

press Battle Cry and OF

after that you floor pov

[fast mural]

it was more than slam

[teal pine]

That was a talent

[flat river]

Prot warrior the tank spec

Has softcapped aoe

With revenge

[verbal rivet]

So does bear? And I think DH does to?

[flat river]

Yes

But not the dps specs

[fast mural]

there are not alot of abilities that are uncapped aoe

[south kayak]

You can count on one hand abilities that are uncapped

[verbal rivet]

Destro Locks waiting for the mass AoE Boss

[fast mural]

and boomies

[eternal sundial]

They do dam on brood alr

[verbal rivet]

I hate the target cap

[verbal rivet]

True, I meant one where it’s worth to only cast RoF and be top DPS. A true AoE boss

[bleak fox]

im already waiting on the apology reversal of it

[fast mural]

target caps need to exist

[verbal rivet]

I was pissed when it was made.

[pure moon]

i played outlaw for years and always complained about target cap, then switched to war about a month ago. Sorry guys lol

[fast mural]

this is all a ploy to make demolish better

[eternal sundial]

What's the last example of that xdd

Bosses arent just permanent 10t aoe

[verbal rivet]

Exactly, it will never happen. But god damn they are READY for it

[bleak fox]

same brother

[eternal sundial]

Not brood, not echo, not dathea not anything

[bleak fox]

i owe an apology as well

[south kayak]

When was the last time bosses had perma 10 target aoe lmao

that shit never existed

[eternal sundial]

It's all just some pad

At times

[teal pine]

Orgozoa kinda close

[fast mural]

pad adds dont have enough hp

[pure moon]

outlaw took a random nerf, i went war, outlaw got buffed war got nerfed. If you need a class nerfed lemme play it for a week lmao

[verbal rivet]

I’d take perma 4 target boss

[south kayak]

Orgozoa adds did have a lot of hp

[south kayak]

It literally got buffed

[bleak fox]

make a ret pala i dare you

[fast mural]

make a frost dk

[pure moon]

who

[flat river]

Frost is uncapped

[fast mural]

frost dk gonna get buffed in 2 weeks again

[south kayak]

Outlaw?

[pure moon]

my buddy mains frost and it might be time to take him down a notch lol

[verbal rivet]

Frost DK is just fun rn. There is no getting around it

[flat river]

Cause its all dots

[pure moon]

yeah it caught a nerf early in the season

[south kayak]

That's not really true, all their abilities are soft capped

[flat river]

No

[pure moon]

then just got buffed

[south kayak]

and that was already compensated

[flat river]

Relentless winter isn't

[verbal rivet]

BoS isn’t lmaooo

[south kayak]

yes it is

[flat river]

No

[south kayak]

it deals less damage to secondary targets

[fast mural]

yo rend for arms is uncapped aoe

[pure moon]

its was nerfed, tier was adjusted to compensate, then it just got a buff. yeah

[flat river]

It hits 5 targets at a time

So capped r4von

[frank rover]

arms is most op class in the game

they just need 5 min setup

[flat river]

Real

[frank rover]

and 4 pi's

[flat river]

But then their parse wont count

[pure moon]

and the tier set adjustment was a net nerf still

[bleak fox]

my friend is joking around with UH
he started ramping last week thats why he did a big burst now

[verbal rivet]

Outlaw looks fun, but it can’t stay good.

[eternal sundial]

They arent even top st on rash

Xdd

[frank rover]

i would me amazed if more than 30% of arms warriors live on rashanan when not on farm

[south kayak]

blizz devs stay being mentally challenged

[valid pulsar]

jo guys what do you think about all the nerfs for fury including the upcoming one tomorrow. i think we got nerfed 4-5 times now. It obviously sucks when your main class gets nerfed so many time but from a objective perspective do you think its justified ?

[lucid root]

gawd

Failed another NW key athe first pull

[tender magnet]

No it’s not

I don’t play fury anymore

[fast mural]

cause the execute cleave isnt accounted for

[lucid root]

Shaman didn't pop BL

[verbal rivet]

So pull less

[tender magnet]

I’ve went title on it and prot

Fury did not deserve these nerfs

[frank rover]

no, just play warlock

its easy to gear an alt

[bleak fox]

im gonna say not really

[tender magnet]

They are already gasping in a puddle of blood in single target damage

Their AOE is average

[verbal rivet]

REROLL FERAL DRUID

[lucid root]

Bro it's an 11, its insane that I'd need to pull less

[fast mural]

look at the bright side they are not gonna nerf us again

[tender magnet]

They have very little utility to offer

[pure moon]

youd think that

[frank rover]

ROCK BOTTOM

[bleak fox]

you had to jinx it

[verbal rivet]

In a pug?

[frank rover]

cannot go any lower

[fast mural]

surely they wont buff frost dk more

[pure moon]

https://tenor.com/view/iasip-its-always-sunny-in-gif-19046406

[tender magnet]

I can do this all day

[fast mural]

and i can say with 100% certainty that arms will never again be nerfed because of fury

[normal bane]

thats a clip from beta and a 40 stack spymster

[sick jungle]

i wish people would talk about thing before a key starts

[frank rover]

doesnt arms have the dumbest hero talents in the game

where they have a cast time

[fast mural]

slayer is kinda dumb yea

[sick jungle]

had some garbage ass healers/tanks/lusts just not fucking talk about when they want lust

[ionic plaza]

Whats blows my mind is that the changes were annnounced like a month ago. They had 30days of testing, numbers to be run and for people to tell them why and how fury nerfs in any form make no sense, And it still goes through

[bleak fox]

i just want a hero talent that does damage for you

[lucid root]

he asked when BL

[bleak fox]

like hunters and paladins

[runic violet]

arms is just not fun

[lucid root]

I said now

bro didnt pop

[valid pulsar]

Exactly i also dont think they are justified nerfs aswell. Looking at the warcraftlogs rankings and what is currently played in high keys i really want to know blizzards thought process behind it.

[sick jungle]

and then get mad when no lust happens

lmao

[dapper goblet]

technically tempest is a casted ability

[fast mural]

demolish fells nice if you have your dmg numbers off

[dapper goblet]

oops wrong person

[sullen dove]

[runic violet]

arms: keeping track of 3 different dots.

[dapper goblet]

technically tempest is a casted ability

[fast mural]

i was about to ask who tempest was

[frank rover]

what the hell is tempest

[sullen dove]

Me when a caster casts

[sick jungle]

i've had one too many fkin rshammy fotm fucks who don't lust on the first boss of mists

[valid pulsar]

Also with all the negative feedback around the nerfs and top players commenting on it how unnecessary these nerfs are i dont understand why blizzard doesnt reconsider their work