fury

[radiant plank]

We just strongly suspect that there has been an exodus of institutional knowledge from Blizzard Design teams as of late because it just seems like the Class Designers are very new and haven't worked on Mage before, so we're seeing them repeat mistakes made even in Dragonflight, and even from a few builds ago.

I'm of mixed feelings right now on Mage. I guess I'm glad to be a rework focus and have attention to fix our issues, and I'm glad that we are powerful. It just feels very sloppy to me as a Mage to see such messy iteration, rush jobs and confusion from the class designers. I'd like to play Fire and Frost and not be trolling.

I'd also like for Mage to receive consistent, good, smart and fast changes build by build, iteration by iteration. It's one thing to make a mistake which we are forgiving of, it's another to make a dumb one or a really old mistake.

Primarily because once you clean up Mage, you can clean up the other classes and I benefit from other classes being better designed because I get to play with more specs which makes MY gameplay richer.

[molten wing]

11.0.5 so bad Xan decided to go out and touch grass smh

[south kayak]

We just strongly suspect that there has been an exodus of institutional knowledge from Blizzard Design teams as of late because it just seems like the Class Designers are very new and haven't worked on Mage before, so we're seeing them repeat mistakes made even in Dragonflight, and even from a few builds ago.

I'm of mixed feelings right now on Mage. I guess I'm glad to be a rework focus and have attention to fix our issues, and I'm glad that we are powerful. It just feels very sloppy to me as a Mage to see such messy iteration, rush jobs and confusion from the class designers. I'd like to play Fire and Frost and not be trolling.

I'd also like for Mage to receive consistent, good, smart and fast changes build by build, iteration by iteration. It's one thing to make a mistake which we are forgiving of, it's another to make a dumb one or a really old mistake.

Primarily because once you clean up Mage, you can clean up the other classes and I benefit from other classes being better designed because I get to play with more specs which makes MY gameplay richer.

[young swan]

okay yeah we're gonna stop that RIGHT now

[south kayak]

I’m gonna go in mage discord and spam this

[radiant plank]

Stop this

[south kayak]

(I’m not)

[south kayak]

PantsGrab

[burnt kelp]

I hate wizards

From the bottom of my heart I truly hate them

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-i-hate-them-star-wars-no-nope-gif-12872946

[astral rose]

wArRioR FaV0R1TE CL@SS blah blah blah. Let's set the circlejerk aside for a bit, and actually talk about what's happening because warrior is a great example.

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[teal pine]

That guy in the post isnt wrong though. They just reworked hero specs without any additional tuning for some reason.
Frost and arcane won the rework roulette

But then like blood dk

they did the same thing

but it lost the roulette

[south kayak]

Yeah it’s stupid tbh

[teal pine]

and sanlayn was made so much worse

[radiant plank]

Why does mage keep winning the roulette

its just 16 mages and 1 that says "other spec"

[south kayak]

They forgot to tune

[south kayak]

Very suspicious

[gaunt moat]

people are clearly not ready for enhancement shaman

[radiant plank]

o they are gonna blast

[brittle dock]

Mage is the MC of WoW.

[radiant plank]

I have seen the sims

[gaunt moat]

nah bro you do'nt understand

[radiant plank]

they are closer to 2million on St

[gaunt moat]

even the sims are rigged

[radiant plank]

than we are to 1.5

[gaunt moat]

no no

The enhancement shaman has an actual bug rn

that if they don't fix

[young swan]

1.45 🤓

[gaunt moat]

will bring them 12% dmg flat for free

[young swan]

oh

nvm

im stupid

[radiant plank]

Bro

[young swan]

and dumb

cant read

[radiant plank]

Blue name

moment

[young swan]

listen

[radiant plank]

Blizzard choosing who to rework

[young swan]

the color of my name has nothing to do with my reading abilities

[gaunt moat]

so what you're seeing will be actual 2.24m

[soft jewel]

So rotation question, mainly singel target. Sustained priority. Raging blow > Blood bath > Rampage? Like i allways use up my stacks of raging blow and never use bloodthirst and only bloodbath? Rampage only as filler or to keep enrage up?

[radiant plank]

Yellow would fit u better

[gaunt moat]

on multiple wolves luck bug they get way more than 12%

it's just the average

[radiant plank]

Ye ik of the dog bug

[south kayak]

Maybe I shouldn’t have gone shaman, enha is gonna get kneecapped after the incoming nerfs from doing that much damage

[molten wing]

Dearest Blizzard Dev Team,
I hope this message finds you in good spirits. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for us Fury Warriors. We are in a dark and bad spot. Our single-target damage is laughable compared to other classes, and now with 11.0.5 capping Dragon’s Roar and Odyn’s Fury from 8 targets to 5, even our AoE is being gutted. We’re struggling to stay relevant, and this is only pushing us further behind. Please, for the sake of the few of us still holding on, reconsider.

Sincerely,
Your suffering Fury Warriors

[radiant plank]

Can always go ele

[gaunt moat]

enhancement soon twice our single target dmg

[radiant plank]

[burnt kelp]

I would reroll to wizard but since melees got the last disgusting orange item, I strongly suspect casters will get a glowing orange stick this xpac

[radiant plank]

Ty blizzard

[burnt kelp]

And nothing worse than getting an orange item

[south kayak]

I wanna play both tbh

[indigo arch]

Happy anniversary, play ret or fdk or muti. ~blizzard

[radiant plank]

They are both nice but ele is brainrot rn

[indigo arch]

🥳

[burnt kelp]

Getting your spec balanced around it, not looting it and then having to pay a tax to use it

I dont care who the irs is sending, Im not paying taxes

[young swan]

very epic poggers brainrot

[errant vessel]

Nah I loved being 8% down for 13 weeks

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/jhnnycrwsh-forsen-nymn-batchest-twitch-gif-24086134

[cedar depot]

last place dps and no egirls , not how i planned 2024

[south kayak]

Won’t be tomorrow

[proper onyx]

If enrage will expire within the next global and you can rampage, you rampage. CB > BB, during reck these will cap you on rage and you can immediately rerampage, outside of reck you probably will need a raging blow before rampaging again. You’re right that unbuffed BT is rarely used, mainly happens when you don’t get RB procs for a while

[radiant plank]

do i need to post that gif again

[south kayak]

Lmao

[burnt kelp]

My fdk is 625 ilvl but I leveled up blacksmithing on my warrior to not pay repair bills

I feel like Blizzard has made a fool out of me

[low folio]

atleast you have the fdk

🙂

[burnt kelp]

[cedar depot]

if one more person tells me fury is 'fine'

[sullen dove]

avid copypasta enjoyer when he no longer likes copypasta

blow up

[unreal pewter]

Fury is fine

[gaunt moat]

BRING BACK UNHINGED SPREADING WHIRLWIND STACKS

[young swan]

avid copypasta enjoyer when the copy pasta takes up half the screen

[south kayak]

This is what positions of power do to you

[sullen dove]

[red glen]

Is time to delete wow...

[sullen dove]

yes

[south kayak]

The more the merrier

[fading sky]

i mean

worst part is youtubers pulling forward (mythic ) queen kills, where fury can be top, coz their job is to break shit

like u get free 20 targets

[sullen dove]

what

[keen pelican]

What’s a good fury warrior I can watch on twitch please guys? Ty

[south kayak]

Huh

[molten wing]

Xan Crit

Asmongold 🙂

[south kayak]

[brittle dock]

he plays wow?

[young swan]

anyone you see live at the top of the member list is a good resource, noxiv would be my suggestion

[keen pelican]

Ty mate 👍👍👍

[hushed ocean]

this

[molten wing]

i'll leave it to Archi to lead the negotiations with the blizz devs

[fading sky]

i would say critcake. but my main went FDK in protest

[hushed ocean]

tell them to give us a discount if you have a 628+ warrior in account

[fading sky]

Fine like when ya GF tells you she "FINE" . ^_^

[hushed ocean]

since most of the time, we are unable to play the game and Dornogal Queue Simulator should be free

[molten wing]

that's why we need M+ solo que

so they are stuck with us and they cant make us leave

[frozen tartan]

I am playing WoW. What Girlfriend? lmao

[fading sky]

Exactly just like Fury

What warrior

[unreal pewter]

Follower dungeons were made for mythic geared fury warriors

[molten wing]

i cant play frost dk man its probably the most boring spec i've tried

[turbid bay]

Soon

[molten wing]

i'm just gonna stick to warrior and spend more time with my ret/WW monk alts

[hardy cargo]

If frost strike felt like a better button frost would own

[hushed ocean]

that's why they deserved that buff

[hardy cargo]

But I feel terrible pressing it

[teal pine]

frost feels like arms 2.0. kinda the most fun spec ive played

[hushed ocean]

u always should be rewarded for playing a fucking boring spec

[gaunt moat]

Yh i tried aswell there's no big time i feel like it's always sleepy

[sudden tusk]

new fun tech btw

[turbid bay]

Is it normal having to press slam in some fights if you unluck rb procs

[sudden tusk]

Slayer strike can get parried meaning you absolutely FUCK your cdr for queen

so you have to lose a BS cast and just hold it lmao

very cool

[gaunt moat]

Nice

[molten wing]

yeah , for ret at least you get that big dopamine hit every 30 secs , WW monk i love the mini game with the mastery and cds feel good

[gaunt moat]

We should add it to the list of protest

Remove parry

From bosses

[covert blaze]

this shit is criminal even on heroic

[gaunt moat]

That cringe moment when your rampage gets parried twice in a row

[molten wing]

not so different from getting your Colossus Smash getting parried

but yeah it happens sadly

[chrome relic]

it'ss over chat

[south kayak]

Fury nerfs really looking bad

[honest sundial]

increase parry chance to 100% against warriors

[covert blaze]

your banner is great

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-based-american-psycho-gif-24694654

[chrome relic]

thank u thank u

[quick finch]

Jesus, I step away from wow for a week and this spec goes to hell. Sorry guys I won’t do that again.

[gaunt moat]

[burnt kelp]

Wait I got it guys, we are currently in a Blizzard classic masterplan

[viral gulch]

Is anyone here who still cares? Or this spec is doomed forever?

[burnt kelp]

They did the same with demonology in wod, blanket nerf everything so everyone stops playing the spec into full rework the next patch

[young swan]

[south kayak]

hahahah

[burnt kelp]

Everyone stop playing fury so we can get our super cool full rework next patch

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[south kayak]

Already done

[tiny seal]

I mean at the beginning of Shadowlands fury was way more fcked compared to now

[gaunt moat]

Is this super cool rework in the room with us right now?

[south kayak]

It was but the big specs are now way better than anyone else

it's fucked tuning

[young swan]

the beginning of shadowlands was literally the low point of wow's entire lifespan

so

[south kayak]

So true

[young swan]

quite literally the worst the game has ever been by a lot

[gaunt moat]

Beginning of shadowlands was carried by covid i swear

[molten wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5GfNlZGqno
Because we would rather you didn't play Demonology Fury

[tiny seal]

I was literally being laughed at playing warrior in general back then

[gaunt moat]

I feel you my friend

[viral gulch]

I feel weird, enjoying m+ thane and being fckd by blizz at the same time

[covert blaze]

very real

[molten wing]

playing warrior on Sludgefist

[viral gulch]

But i'm feeling to be more and more fkd and less enjoying

[gaunt moat]

My guild put me on light work on first boss in mythic because of me playing fury

If you remember you had to move a little light

[burnt kelp]

You guys arent ready for the barbarian fury rework

[south kayak]

Fury would be good on sludgefist now

[gaunt moat]

[molten wing]

at least Stone Legion/Sire

were decent warrior fights

[gaunt moat]

Denathrius was a goated fight tho

I loved it ngl

[molten wing]

Condemn that sword

[south kayak]

Massacre is one of the best looking boss abilities

[gaunt moat]

I feel like the queen is subpar when i compare her to Sire / Raszageth

[south kayak]

I disagree with that

I think Queen is really good

better than raszageth by far

[covert blaze]

mythic sire P3 was the coolest shit ive ever played

[molten wing]

weird take but i'll allow it

[teal pine]

i think queen is kinda lame. whole fight is just weird

[molten wing]

Raszageth i really liked

[south kayak]

I disliked raszageth

[molten wing]

visuals were also so much better compared to queen

[gaunt moat]

Raszageth you felt like actually facing an elemental dragon

Queen is meh

Yh we're facing a spider who pops lot of spider

[burnt kelp]

I cant take the incarnates seriously because they are just walmart elemental lords

Shitrak can rage all he wants, he'll never be as cool as ragnaros

Ahhhh ragnaros

[slow nova]

I feel like we are still good for M+ right? Still some great AOE burst damage

[burnt kelp]

Well considering frost dk just got buffed

[young swan]

we're way better for raid than for m+

[summer quail]

Uhh... about that

[south kayak]

If you consider the best specs in M+, we're mediocre

[burnt kelp]

You'll enjoy every frost dks and mages with hands doing 30% more overall than you

[wheat path]

fury is shit mate

[gaunt moat]

Give up and join the m+ dooming

[south kayak]

reroll

[burnt kelp]

Even specs that arent s tier will most likely shit on you

[gaunt moat]

It'll make you feel good for 5 minutes spitting your doom poison

[burnt kelp]

Like ret

[south kayak]

that''s not true lol

[indigo arch]

Great aoe burst?

Compared to what? Not ret/muti/fdk?

[burnt kelp]

What isnt

[gaunt moat]

Rogue unholy dk

[burnt kelp]

That ret isnt s tier or that ret is better than fury

[gaunt moat]

Dh

[gaunt moat]

Ret is s tier dmg wise in m+ and is better than fury

[indigo arch]

Hope my ret gets a good vault, all I gotta say about this clownshoes as fuck patch

[burnt kelp]

Right now you are in a solid " will never get invited" group

Alongside feral

[indigo arch]

season* actually

[burnt kelp]

Monks

And arms warriors

[gaunt moat]

Feral has never seen the light since wotlk

Dudes keep hoping they'll get their armor penetration bis stat back

[slow nova]

fingers crossed they don't keep us like this though
Especially considering the weird buffs that the best specs in the game are getting

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, i'm sure fury will be a top pick for break the meta bracket of keys when it comes again

[gaunt moat]

The issue rn is we're pretty good on specific fights of this specific raid

[south kayak]

PepeLaugh

[young swan]

yeah we're pretty fucked if they dont figure shit out going into next tier

or they can just continue designing perfect fights for fury for the rest of the expansion

[trail bane]

except that frost dk will outperform fury on the perfect fury fights

[south kayak]

Frost dk doesn't really have frontloaded burst damage like that so no

[trail bane]

:)))))))))

Yea our frontloaded dmg is so good

[fast mural]

Yeah its unholy now

[trail bane]

Just look at mythic ovinax

[gaunt moat]

I think the only fight we're ahead of fdk is queen no? I may be wrong

[trail bane]

No spec can keep up with us because we kill parasites so quickly

Oh wait frost dk is

[south kayak]

Mythic ovinaxx has adds lasting above our Burst aoe though

[fast mural]

What?

You mean the big ones?

[steel shard]

so guys

[south kayak]

I'm pretty sure FDK isn't killing parasites as quick as fury lol

[steel shard]

how geared are your dks now?

mine is a 627

[fading sky]

ofc not, box but fast enough

?

[fervent yoke]

I can’t decide on fdk or ret

[south kayak]

615

[molten wing]

604

[gaunt moat]

Lvl 78! I gave up since the gameplay is killing me inside!

[molten wing]

[young swan]

yeah I mena if you continually compare yourself to the most broken spec in the game across all content ur gonna just be mad all the time

[fading sky]

my god just keep buffing Thane

it is still decently bursty

[south kayak]

This

[trail bane]

When the arugment "we can have bosses that are designed for us specifically" and we arent even the best at those fights then yea

[gaunt moat]

No we'll buff fdk and you'll be happy

[trail bane]

Im going to compare us to the spec that is best at those fights

[fading sky]

vs Ret vs assasin vs mage vs DK ?

[young swan]

yeah its cringe that fdk hasnt been nerfed, but if they were nerfed half as much as we were, we'd be better

our spec is still designed better for those fights

[fading sky]

who wouldda thought that OF + Bladestorm + Roar would be a to good front loaded burst window ^_^

[young swan]

dk just hasnt been nerfed at all lmfao

[trail bane]

Not only are they not getting nerfed. They are getting buffed.

8% single target nad 7.6% aoe

[young swan]

this isnt a tuning conversation

its a design conversation

[keen pelican]

Why do some fury use thunder clap pls? Ty

[fading sky]

queen yes

[trail bane]

???

[fading sky]

most other fights other ppl can do it to

[trail bane]

How is a conversation about nerfs not a tuning conversation

[young swan]

its not about nerfs

[gaunt moat]

When unholy dk will realize they have a proc spell that can almost one shot all the parasites if lucky

[fading sky]

ppl just choose fury coz do it well

[young swan]

are u dense

[gaunt moat]

[fading sky]

this

[trail bane]

mentions nerfs, "its not about nerfs"

[young swan]

its about

d e s i g n

nerfs were brought up becuase u made a stupid argument about dk being better on fights that we're designed well for

the only reason they're ahead is because they havent seen any nerfs

[gaunt moat]

Because thane better sustained dmg and better on specific bosses like court

[radiant plank]

Noted, next tier will have 8 bosses which 7 are st and 1 is permanent 2T

[young swan]

epic cant wait to quit

[trail bane]

the only stupid argument here is that we are fine if they design bosses that we are good at even though we arent the best at those fights

never heard a more blizzard-asslicker-argument in my entire life

[young swan]

are u stupid

i almost exclusively shit on blizzard

because their decisions this xpac have been shit

[keen pelican]

Thanks mate so what do we replace to get thunder clap?

[gaunt moat]

What do you mean

[fervent yoke]

What should I alt between fdk, ret, or rogue?

[gaunt moat]

Check the guide on wowhead my friend

[steel shard]

you dont press whirlwind anymore

[young swan]

heard ret is giga easy and fun

[steel shard]

fdk

its big dam

and immortla

immortal

but dont tell dk mains that

[steel shard]

they say dk has low utlity

[trail bane]

ret is getting nerfed, frost dk and rogue are getting buffed - so if you care about power probably one of those two

[summer quail]

Ret. Im already bored of fdk

[minor vine]

proc what? epidemic?

[gaunt moat]

You either chose extremely broken and extremely boring / pretty good and dopamine every 30 sec / ???

[keen pelican]

Ok thanks mate so is it better all round then whirlwind is it?

[fervent yoke]

Is fdk hard to play?

Never played one

[summer quail]

No

[gaunt moat]

No

[young swan]

dont think so

[fervent yoke]

Worddd

[young swan]

press oblit

[fervent yoke]

Thanks gang

[young swan]

gg

[sudden tusk]

598 1mil overall

pink class blow up

[gaunt moat]

Breathe irl and ingame press oblit

[minor vine]

put down dnd if cleave

ez gaem

[molten wing]

ret just press big bonk hammer, even easier

[steel shard]

yea but its pad

idk how people think how this game works

[sudden tusk]

in keys pad still amtters

[steel shard]

but just ding aoe and 0 ST

is not good

[forest tapir]

So was fury buffed or nerfed after all?

[radiant plank]

so like fury

[coral lagoon]

Ret plays the game for you, press w into packs

[radiant plank]

all pad

arms dam?

all pad

[steel shard]

not as much as you think

[gaunt moat]

Ret isn't bad st

[south kayak]

FDK damage is just pad

[trail bane]

single target stays the same but everyone else gets buffed so its essentially a nerf

aoe got nerfed while other good aoe classes got buffed so we are 2x nerfed

[steel shard]

thats the issue

its not

their prio damage on pulls with breath

is insane

[south kayak]

( I am joking)

[young swan]

fury prio damage owns

[steel shard]

like if you want huge overall dps

then unholy is the play

should do more overall than frost but yea

key will defo take longer

[trail bane]

Fury prio dmg owns

[south kayak]

I don't thin kUH will do anything better htan fdk next patch lmao

[gaunt moat]

Sanlayn unholy dk 20 m dps necrotic wake...

[steel shard]

prob not lol

[south kayak]

That's not priority damage in M+, you donut

[trail bane]

No its priority dmg in raid

[proper onyx]

boss isn't priority

[gaunt moat]

Don't forget that we keep dmg for adds but true our st isn't good anyway

[trail bane]

We dont keep anything for adds on ovinax

We are litterally throwing cds (except bladestorm) as they come back up

[young swan]

what

no the fuck u arent

lmfoa

[trail bane]

Except for that one time when they come up before canisters

[forest tapir]

How can ST stay the same when so much stuff got buffed?

[burnt kelp]

Because its the shit that wasnt being used

[steel shard]

thats the point

[proper onyx]

because we dont use the talents that got buffed

[slow wadi]

Because it's buffed for AM

[trail bane]

Blizzard are tuning their game based on throwing darts at a board

[steel shard]

nothing good was buffed

[trail bane]

No brain behind it

thats how

[slow wadi]

Not for RA

[molten wing]

you are also playing the worst ST build on ovinax because of adds

cant really compare it

[forest tapir]

Oh

[trail bane]

We are talking about priority dmg, dealing dmg to a main target while cleaving

The same thing frost dk is doing but is almost the highest single target dmg on that boss

[young swan]

if u wanna look at prio damage for ovinax look at worm damage and spider damage

[unreal pewter]

It's like buffing slam damage on fury

no effect

[young swan]

parasites will just die regardless

[keen pelican]

So is mountain thane better for m+ pls guys? Ty

[slow wadi]

Baseline for BT and RB buffed. Not enough. They need to reverse the 3% damage nerf at least

[trail bane]

anyone who swaps to a worm on ovinax is setting themselves up for failure

[young swan]

down to personal preference

[trail bane]

tanks pull the boss around to cleave worms down

you priority the boss and cleave

[forest tapir]

But Bloodthirst got buffed too.

[sudden tusk]

Warriors already are speccing Frenzied Enrage to get their damage out fast enough to pad lmao

we arent even needed

[young swan]

yeah if u arent swapping target to worms in 3rd cannister ur trolling i fear, or at least sending ur unhinged bts into them

[forest tapir]

And raging blow

[slow wadi]

Maybe reverse the OF nerf, and perhaps reduce the nerf to BS by 5% rather than the original 10%

[coral lagoon]

Fdk gets to run their best st build in keys and still pump packs. That's the problem. Do that as fury and see how it goes
..

[keen pelican]

Ok ty mate what build should I run please as all builds are raid builds listed for mountain thane? Ty

[young swan]

ive been playing spear thane and its been going okay

[sudden tusk]

gets better next week too

its alright

[young swan]

could prob do spear slayer and get good results too

[slow wadi]

OF nerf hurts big time since it's our 45 CD

[sudden tusk]

spear is just cringe dosghit

should have been Bot

BotE

[trail bane]

Why would i give up my Frenzy stacks to deal a little dmg to something that will die from cleave anyway?

[unreal pewter]

When using RA you get them replaced with Bloodbath and Crushing blow and the buff doesn't affect those

[radiant plank]

spear is basically bote now

[gaunt moat]

You guys ready for the huge design change they'll announce on warrior tonight?

[proper onyx]

doesn't offset the 2% aura loss essentially from overwhelmed nerf

[low folio]

what is bote

[young swan]

you dont have to give up frenzy stacks

just tab between boss and worm for ramp

[lethal dew]

odyn's fury now capped at 3 targets

[gaunt moat]

Execute % missing life dmg rampage dealing 100% more dmg

[slim grotto]

Do we know how long this season goes for?

[young swan]

[lethal dew]

im ready

[slow wadi]

Spear being like ravager is the worst

[cedar depot]

I was curious what dropping reckless abandon looked like for onslaught, its a 30% dps loss, fix my class

[radiant plank]

Mouseover rampage

[gaunt moat]

Odyn's fury healing mobs

You fool

[trail bane]

sounds like a lot of work to get a very miniscule dmg increase on the worms just so you can sit on discord and say our priority dmg is fine

[radiant plank]

sounds like skill issue

[slow wadi]

What's the time in US ATM?

[burnt kelp]

It isnt that much work

[young swan]

our prio damage is pretty solid

[slow wadi]

I want to hear some live numbers

[young swan]

almost 4 am for me

3:45

[proper onyx]

patch won't be live for like 14 hours

[pearl crypt]

any BRD trinket/wep good? since all gear pieces are trash

[slow wadi]

2.5 more hours and we can have some initial thoughts on live numbers

[radiant plank]

Fury or Arms slayer jugg build for prio damage mr blue

[low folio]

even though it wasnt the best option, i miss ancient aftershock

[lethal dew]

pretty good loot to gear up your frost dk

[young swan]

AM thane

poggers

[radiant plank]

Poggers

[young swan]

me no care arms

useless spec

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267940564832354304/1286260904736067658/heart-locket.gif

[young swan]

until they revert to legion

[gaunt moat]

Arms are literal dead rn poor guys

[sudden tusk]

were in the back of the buss for reworks

[gaunt moat]

The design is ass

[slow wadi]

Arms could improve if they did 2 things. Get rid of the rend button and skullsplitter

[sudden tusk]

ret paladins need another 3 before we get shockwave sent back to a T3 talent

[light vector]

That video of Arms going nuts in Legion will live rent free forever. :p

[young swan]

its not arms

[slow wadi]

Make MS cause targets to bleed faster instead

[sudden tusk]

Fury Artifact trait juggernaut

my beloved

[young swan]

stop

[radiant plank]

I love how they took one of the strongest talents in FDK tree and baked in baseline and replaced it with another strong talent

[south kayak]

Delete warrior until rework

[low folio]

the elegion execute video was definitely fury

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[burnt kelp]

I already have a dk, ima gear my disc Priest. See you in 2 or more nerfs when disc will do more st than fury

[south kayak]

DELETE WARRIOR UNTIL REWORK

[gaunt moat]

Making shockwave deal lot of dmg so we can never use it when needed

Big brain move

[radiant plank]

Execute video cursed both specs for eternity

should have never existed

[hardy cargo]

wow twinsies

[slow wadi]

I keep pushing for the niche stance dance between ST and aoe and remove Def stance

[young swan]

yeah that sounds like shit tbh

[slow wadi]

Make WW work like rampage

[vernal laurel]

Guys, chill, the new nerfs will surely be hotfixed in a weeks time after the blizz devs obviously see that they made some mistakes.

[young swan]

BEAN saying it brother

[slow wadi]

So get rid of WW

And rampage

[young swan]

u want fan of longswords?

[south kayak]

nah they won't

[slow wadi]

And make it a new spell that does both

[lethal dew]

'remove def stance' is the worst idea that popped in this chat

[low folio]

stance dance would just become macroing stance change with other abilities

[south kayak]

they're dumb as rocks

[burnt kelp]

Sounds like ret paladin seals in cataclysm

[radiant plank]

rempve rampage and make BT cost rage again

[sudden tusk]

fuck it bring Sarlamane in

SMF

[burnt kelp]

(its shit)

[radiant plank]

RB cnat be cleaved

[slow wadi]

Ok keep Def stance then

[gaunt moat]

I'm still wondering did they add the actual thane buff from 2 weeks ago on the ptr actual patch or will they remove their own patch buffs

[molten wing]

You know what fury needs ?
Fury needs this back

[slow wadi]

But that's another button to press if we go with my idea of st and aoe stance dancing

Which I think would be awesome

[low folio]

i dont think thats the problem fury is having

[burnt kelp]

Or hear me out, we just delete current warrior

And thats it

[slow wadi]

The new spell which acts as WW and rampage all in one can then act as front load damage if u stance dance to ST

[gaunt moat]

Siegebreaker baked inside onslaught

But ppl don't like onslaught

(I do)

[keen turret]

I'm still wondering why does Execute have a cooldown in Fury

[burnt kelp]

They didnt like siegebreaker either

[young swan]

i dont like onslaught cause it doesnt do shit

[sullen dove]

any dev evoker gamers in here know if its correct you dont take the pyre talent you took through all of dragonflight in m+

[young swan]

massively uninteresting button

[sullen dove]

onslaught just slighty cooler slam

[vernal laurel]

Just make onslaught aoe and a non targeted ability. Oh wait, thats odyns fury, bake into odyns fury?

[slow wadi]

Execute should be renamed tickle that's how impactful it feels atm

[light vector]

I don't think we want buttons for the sake of buttons, but nice interactions that work together well in tandem and make the spec overall more fluid and intuitive would be nice, not that it requires Arcane Intellect to play. :P

[gaunt moat]

Make it so siege breaker affect either of the spell but only the main actual target

[vernal laurel]

Nah, make it affect all targets hit, we need the buff

Also give us bloodlust so we actually get invites to groups

[south kayak]

we need less buttons, delete one of the big aoe abilities

BS, TR or OF

[low folio]

i like the way many of slayer talents make fury feel to play, if execute was a big button and some of that slayer stuff just existed for fury

[trail bane]

We need fewer cds not more of them.

Avatar + Reck + Roar/Spear + BS/Ravager + Odyns fury is the entire reason the rest of our abilities hit like wet noodles

[burnt kelp]

I agree with deleting the aoe shit buttons

[lethal dew]

fury doesnt need anything, just numbers buff
spec design is fine

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[gaunt moat]

Hell no

[slow wadi]

Spear needs a rework

I hate ut

[trail bane]

And having a talent like Anger Management that can be so fun feel like shit because it reduces the cd of 2 out of 5 big cooldowns feels like ass

[lethal dew]

who really needs rework is arms

fury compared to that is god spec

[burnt kelp]

Anything compared to arms is a good spec

[trail bane]

Give us the fire mage treatment (or old fury treatment). We only need Reck + BS, Ravager or Roar and thats it

[slow wadi]

Agree arms has become the warlock spec of melee

[fading sky]

not good

GOD

[south kayak]

me when I press 4 aoe cds to do aoe burst and then nothing after

[burnt kelp]

Fucking cataclysm arms plays better than retail arms

[gaunt moat]

Yh well you're comparing a spec they killed to a spec they're killing

[fading sky]

Retail arms is just fucked coz slayer is bis !

[burnt kelp]

No

[fading sky]

like slayer for arms feels so facking off

[burnt kelp]

Colossus is also shit

[gaunt moat]

It's a design issue

[fading sky]

nah if collosus gave us huge MS

[gaunt moat]

Not number issue

[fading sky]

we would be happy

[burnt kelp]

I wouldnt

[young swan]

retail arms is fucked because its a patchwork shit storm of the worst iterations of arms

[formal finch]

colossus is big shit

[slow wadi]

Who here wants skullsplitter to be removed?

[fading sky]

no1

SKS is nice

[gaunt moat]

Fuck skullsplitter

[trail bane]

Worst part about arms is that DF Season 1 and 2 arms felt pretty fucking good

[slow wadi]

And make MS do what Skullsplitter does?

[trail bane]

And then they ruined it

[low folio]

i mean DF arms felt good to play

[fading sky]

nah we dont have to many buttons

[trail bane]

You dont have to look all the way back to cata to find seasons where arms has felt great

[fading sky]

SKS is a good button

[formal finch]

just bring back MS to the point of importance XD

[low folio]

i liked the big whirlwind hits and it flowed well

[south kayak]

delete OF

[burnt kelp]

Mop and legion arms were also better than current arms

[trail bane]

seasons where you get mega hyped whenever MS resets its own cooldown are seasons you want to play arms

[fading sky]

its rly an easy fix

[formal finch]

good old classic WW ith uncapped hit

[fading sky]

buff Ms 20% baseline

[gaunt moat]

That's the only moment i actually liked arms

Legion

[fading sky]

Remove the same power from Overpower buffs

[radiant plank]

die mp die

make tact reset cs

[formal finch]

just remove overpower

[fading sky]

that would also make EP multipliers feel good

[radiant plank]

autos make op usable on proc

[fading sky]

nah overpower is a nice button

[formal finch]

OP is shit

[burnt kelp]

Overpower was a nice button

But now overpower isnt overpower

[trail bane]

Playing Arms on Kurog in DF season 1 was so fucking good

[unreal pewter]

OP was fun when it was doing damage

[trail bane]

i member

[burnt kelp]

Its legion Colossus smash without the good parts of legion cs

[fading sky]

exactly zandahl so point is

[formal finch]

now execure and jugga is op XD

[fading sky]

removing the Multipliers

buffing the baseline spells

well tbh imho dreadnaught is what makes op feel good

and not taking it in most content feels sad

[radiant plank]

dont wnna go back to that horror of dn being top damage in key

[burnt kelp]

Deez nuts

Sorry

[formal finch]

just give us a goot T Set. i give a fuck on buffs of the set and doing also well with 1,1-1,2 ST..... Set makes no difference my opinion

[fading sky]

arms has to make way to many hard choices imo

[slow wadi]

You know you talk about FDKs but noone has mentioned enhance sham

[lethal dew]

ms buff will never happen because it will just push raid st even more which is already pretty strong and blizzard seems to only be balancing about raid lmao
spec needs global rework and also blizzard should stop balancing specs based on 'average performance in raid'

[fading sky]

true but it is what we need

[young swan]

yeah I mean that spec is very clearly giga fucked

if it doesnt change then people will get mad

[formal finch]

'average performance in raid' is shit cause ther are alot monsters who are giga stonkers and 90% of the rest is shit

[slow wadi]

Hah

Same I am the rest of the average stonkers

[radiant plank]

cant wait to watch my enha coinflip if he will gap me by 100k or 900k

[burnt kelp]

Im hearing another arms nerf is needed

Contacting ion

[gaunt moat]

By 2 m

[slow wadi]

Nerf the best you nerf the rest too

[forest tapir]

?
OP does dmg like MS

[gaunt moat]

When the enhancement shaman will get 40 wolves during bl

And goes 6m st

[formal finch]

Op dose tickling the enemy

[gaunt moat]

[trail bane]

Arms defeinitely needs another nerf, even warriors themselves apparently think that their ST is too good when they are middle of the pack on Kyveza

[formal finch]

OP like the ST version of WW lol

[south kayak]

Blizzard: top damage DN or no damage at all

[forest tapir]

Then switch to arms and compare both spells.

[slow wadi]

How about another petition? Make PI from priests do something for us?

[formal finch]

bro i only play arms XD

[trail bane]

You could buff MS dmg by 40% and arms would still probably not break into top 5 best ST specs

[slow wadi]

Sick of seeing UHDK doing twice my damage on Queen heroic

[lethal dew]

protests and petitions are peak copium

[slow wadi]

Boss damage that is

[lethal dew]

you guys really think blizzard gives a fuck

they dont even gather feedback from content creators and you think they will listen to us plebs

[gaunt moat]

Content creators

[graceful ruin]

what's been happening with enhance?

[slow wadi]

How can these external buffs do so much to some classes where they literally do twice your boss damage? It's crazy

[gaunt moat]

There's a bug rn making them double proc wolves if they get lucky they proc dozens of them

[young swan]

just broken

[slow wadi]

And when they buff you...oh I'm now on par with someone without raid buffs?

[gaunt moat]

On average it's a 12% dmg buff

[formal finch]

time to do the same like area 52. we will rush Blizz and code our own buffs

[young swan]

wolf procs are stupid

[graceful ruin]

like tuning-wise or like a million bugs lmao

[graceful ruin]

so seems like both lmao

[lethal dew]

this patch clearly shows that blizzard devs not only never play the game (which we already knew), but they also dont even check real performance of specs and dont gather feedback
its just comedy

arcane fdk and assa rogue buffed

[gaunt moat]

As they're the actual first class on the raid without the bug i let you imagine what happens when the bug gets out of hand

Like they legit have 10 wolves with them 24/7

[formal finch]

its not even playing. just open Archon or Warcraft logs and do analysis XD also RaiderIO for M+

[sage rune]

ofc they play the game, they play fdk, aug and arcane mage

[honest sundial]

people responsible for warrior nerfs are on drugs

[slow wadi]

My theory is as follows, they make certain specs so powerful - they become key booster specs - token money for blizzard

[formal finch]

KING XD

[honest sundial]

they still look at heroic week one parses

[errant vessel]

“people”

[formal finch]

ju miss assa rog

[south kayak]

replaced breast milk with hard pills

[sage rune]

true

[south kayak]

wrong tag

[graceful ruin]

they definitely don't play ass rogue

[lethal dew]

blizzard will make way more if they had decent balance and enjoyable gameplay
players would not drop the game = more money

[graceful ruin]

if they did that class wouldn't feel like dogshit in ST

[formal finch]

assa also gets 6% ST buff dafuq why XD

[formal finch]

what is the problem wit hthis. M+ Meta is assa aug fdk. assa is pretty fine right now

[young swan]

[graceful ruin]

the ST still feels like shit lol you have a million energy but you spend a lot of ST at like 10 energy waiting to get enough to cast

[young swan]

(source at the bottom)

[gaunt moat]

Bahahaha

[formal finch]

Dude its like reverse arms/like fury. just better

bro explaining for a OP Class XD

[south kayak]

I wanna beat up the tuning devs

[slow wadi]

TBF looking at that list, there are clearly other specs that should complain

[graceful ruin]

lol idm that happening on like feral druid but rogue is way too fast of a class to feel good with that

the aoe feels insane though it's so good

[slow wadi]

Feral druid man - poor guys

[formal finch]

they are even more worse than the balance team of leage of legends XD

[graceful ruin]

feral druids are used to it

[formal finch]

dude they are over arms XD

[slow wadi]

They have great aoe, but their ST is dog

[graceful ruin]

thing is that the arcane/ass/fdk buffs are changes to talents mostly, which is fair

i assumed that they would just..nerf the numbers to make up for it

and at least return them to where they were

but no lmfao

[lethal dew]

but WHY did those specs need talent changes and mini reworks

[south kayak]

They forgor

[young swan]

they didnt

[lethal dew]

they just had reworks and it was good ones

[slow wadi]

Look my alt is and FDk I am already slurping, but invested so much time in warr it hurts

[lethal dew]

yeah thats what im saying

[formal finch]

dude the % are over all buffs not only in the reworks.

[lethal dew]

they are spending development time on already good specs

[south kayak]

Because blizzard hates warrior

[lethal dew]

this doesnt make any sence

[south kayak]

The class that needs changes the most

but alas

that's why we rerolling

[graceful ruin]

brother haven't you been in the process of rerolling for like 2 months

[south kayak]

because blizzard is dumb as hell

[south kayak]

I already have

[graceful ruin]

lul

i've been trying to but man none of my other classes gets gear

[south kayak]

i've been trying to but man none of my other classes gets gear

[graceful ruin]

get edited

[lethal dew]

its not even just warrior
monks are in the same garbage pit as we are, same with DH (which is fine tbh, dh players must suffer)

[south kayak]

right back at ya

[graceful ruin]

i will never wish suffering upon fellow melee brethren

[gaunt moat]

Dh players hates the dashes gameplay it seems

[south kayak]

my shaman is 616 so it's not good but i'll get there soonge

[slow wadi]

Aye at least there are other classes out there which are in a worse state

[graceful ruin]

lol my warrior is 616 ilvl

[slow wadi]

Think of fire mages

[graceful ruin]

if my alts were there i'd be fine

[south kayak]

gg

my dk and shaman are 616

warrior is 621

[lethal dew]

also poor unholy dks

uplayable

[graceful ruin]

yeah i think fire mage needs 4 or 5 more reworks (buffs) so they can make sure to be top again

[slow wadi]

Hahaha good point good point

[south kayak]

I think fire mage needs a rework every patch

Could be wrong

definitely not warrior

just mage

[graceful ruin]

and make sure the rework is just a massive buff in disguise

[south kayak]

HOLY

so true

[graceful ruin]

why did i say in surprise

[south kayak]

honestly at this point if warrior got a huge rework, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a dps loss

[shut crest]

Warior needs heroic strike 🫡

[formal finch]

THIS

[graceful ruin]

if warrior got a huge rework it'd be bs/ravager damage reduced by 20% and it'd affect both arms and fury for no reasoon

[formal finch]

just bring vanilla Warry back

[gaunt moat]

Fire mage rework was so strong number wise they had to nuke them into the Mordor

[south kayak]

I'd like to see the fuckheads who did this tuning to explain it

I wonder what archi's thought are about this

[formal finch]

only thing i dont understand is.... they wanna nerv fury but effekt spells that nerv arms to. why XD

[graceful ruin]

tbh i have no issue with fdk being really strong but it just feels like shit that they're still getting all the attention when warrior don't get shit this expansion

[south kayak]

Then why didn't they nerf arcane

or fdk

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sesame-street-shrug-idk-i-have-no-idea-gif-17243185

[formal finch]

FDK was also broken in DF Season4.

why cant they swapp the meta. it sucks

[graceful ruin]

ok no one cares about df season 4 tho LMAO

[gaunt moat]

Nah bro in df s3 and s4 the exodia meta was present

[cloud gulch]

Guys blizz has the data they know what they are doing🤡

[gaunt moat]

Did you forget the dh tank spriest mage aug?

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[gaunt moat]

[south kayak]

this is worse

[gaunt moat]

Druid healer who went dps

[lethal dew]

surely big warrior rework coming they just didnt finish in time

https://tenor.com/view/clown-crying-sad-gif-17901663

[cloud gulch]

1000%

[formal finch]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-peepo-clown-gif-20274834

[ashen socket]

2900 mage got mad that I asked them if they actually mained frost

[cloud gulch]

War rework in 11.0.5.5

[nocturne dragon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/453409916384837642/1041763343343550514/Copeless.gif

[ashen socket]

🙂

[formal finch]

i dont want reworks. blizz always fuck up reworks. just want back my dmg as arms

[south kayak]

More like 13.5.5

[lethal dew]

recent reworks all broken

dks shamans arcane

[young swan]

every spec that's been reworked recently has been sick as fuck and insanely OP

[lethal dew]

what do you mean fuck up

[young swan]

why wouldnt you want a rework

[formal finch]

every past rework of warry was a fuckup in past

[earnest meteor]

[young swan]

its been pretty 50/50

[south kayak]

Warrior is gonna break that streak

[cloud gulch]

I feel like reworks are just supposed to attract players back to the game cause the reworked class in insanely broken for at least a season

[south kayak]

Warriors rework is going to be a dps loss

[eternal sundial]

Arms needs a rework

[south kayak]

Quote me

[formal finch]

this

[floral olive]

Quit big😅

[fickle bluff]

fury was looking alright until they nerfed BT and we were straight back to DF

[graceful ruin]

this implies that warrior gets a rework in the first place

[formal finch]

fury needs a tune on ST and fury is fine

[short crypt]

there won't be any reworks, just a last nerf and call it for the expension

[graceful ruin]

and they dont rework mage again

[lethal dew]

warrior rework will be line

• odyns fury removed
• new talent - 'Superslam' - cast slam on up to 3 enemies

[cloud gulch]

They will balance us by giving us a legendary to farm next season

[earnest meteor]

SLAMING

[lethal dew]

CLAPPING and SLAMMING is the way

[formal finch]

ill cancle my abo if this is the only rework

[fickle bluff]

dude ill take super slam
give me anything new and vaguely interesting i beg

[burnt kelp]

Please mister blizzard no more lengedaries

They are ugly they suck and they cost money

[light vector]

Could also take the spec descriptions to heart and do what's written on the tin. :p

[gaunt moat]

Superslam actually made me laugh

[floral olive]

Like they thinking fury has much aoe, and solo target on fury almost the same as aoe so buff single = buff aoe:)

[burnt kelp]

Give the wizards legendary sticks

[young glacier]

Superslam enjoyer

[graceful ruin]

but they won't balance them around it because of course they won't

and then mages will outdamage us before legendary and then get legendary which increases their dmg by 10%

[eternal sundial]

Shaping up nicely?

[south kayak]

People here can come up with better tuning that this

[eternal sundial]

Ms nerf 20%

[earnest meteor]

Smf super slam

[formal finch]

and thats the point wher we should get back hero strike

[eternal sundial]

RAAAHH

[fickle bluff]

:thevoices:

[formal finch]

makes no difference XD

[fickle bluff]

[eternal sundial]

It did

[plucky ice]

could buff fury st by 20% and our cleave still wouldn't be good

[eternal sundial]

Ms nerf beheaded 3 talents

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902189324341227562/1159400823575543808/3dgifmaker27614.gif

@fickle bluff shouldve voted for the shit Set man

Not the good s1 set

Prepatch arm too good

[graceful ruin]

can't believe they nerfed fury because of one boss and heroic dungeons

[south kayak]

Every mage spec getting df tier set as talents meanwhile warrior gets poop

[graceful ruin]

still hilarious

[south kayak]

Mage is hero class

Fire all the devs

Hire decent ones

[formal finch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-mage-cat-push-bongo-cat-gif-14517434

[eternal sundial]

You good?

[lethal dew]

we should start a crowdfund to pay blizzard to let mage dev to work on warrior for one week

[south kayak]

Do I look good

[lethal dew]

we will see more changes than we seen in 5 years

[floral olive]

For me if they rework arms to be more playable, it would be good. But they won’t😅

[plucky ice]

fire devs and pick a random monkey from a zoo, better tuning

[south kayak]

Lol

[graceful ruin]

maybe asking for people to be fired is a bit crazy but

[south kayak]

It’s not

When they’re doing bad jobs

That’s normal

[graceful ruin]

idk how they get away with doing no work at all holy shit can they teach me

[eternal sundial]

No

[south kayak]

Like if someone is doing a terrible job, why shouldn’t they be

[graceful ruin]

i mean i still wouldn't want to call for people losing their livelihoods because of my experience in a video game lol

[formal finch]

who`?

[south kayak]

There you go

[lethal dew]

its probably not even devs fault
its people who make desicions, like theres 100% a guy who accepts/rejects balance changes from dev team
and this bitch hates warriors

[south kayak]

Maybe I’m being too harsh but it’s frustrating

[unique thistle]

You are sounding a little Kareny tbh

[formal finch]

bro all arms player are frustrated XD

[south kayak]

That’s ok

[plucky ice]

I mean they been trying to balance the game for 20 years and still manage to fuck up so bad

[graceful ruin]

im ngl balance teams definitely do not want a game to actually be balanced

they just want different things (and mage) to be op at different points

[south kayak]

(And mage) lmao

[south kayak]

When’s warriors turn

13 patch

[plucky ice]

and (hero class dk) lmao

[light vector]

Where is that ancient meme picture with the levers, and the mage lever being dusty and full of cobwebs. 🤔

[graceful ruin]

season 4 👍

[wheat oyster]

does anyone know where in the ptr you can get the stuff from BRD?

[graceful ruin]

we got our chance in a useless patch

but hey it is what it is

[lethal dew]

was in classic

never will happen again

[wheat oyster]

ay it's you

[graceful ruin]

oh and prepatch df

wasnt arms like 20% above other classes then

[south kayak]

Is that shadow shaman

[south kayak]

Who cares about prepatch

[plucky ice]

prepatch doesn't matter

[wheat oyster]

demon

[south kayak]

Oh yeah lol

[plucky ice]

if it were a real content warrior would get instant nerf

[light vector]

Reminds me of this :P

[jovial dagger]

fdk much needed buff , fury much needed nerf , outperformig spec fdk is indeed

[young swan]

its not fine for a spec to remain the same for 6 years

[south kayak]

Turn the rankings upside down and fdk and arcane needed buffs

Tuning devs are Australian

[formal finch]

but its fine that classes dont even deal there dmg with there most important spell?

[graceful ruin]

what does that have to do with fury

[south kayak]

Blizzard doesn’t think so

[young swan]

do you know what specs in the game havent received a rework since df launch

[graceful ruin]

feral druid literally didnt even get changed this patch

didn't have a section on the patch notes lmfao

[south kayak]

Can count on 2 fingers

[young swan]

i think its a handful

its arms and fury

and then like

some warlock specs

[south kayak]

Warlock specs absolutely got rework lol

[young swan]

yeah but they also suck both in design and performance so I'm willing to let it slide

they got dicked

[south kayak]

Fuck em

[jovial dagger]

legit buffing specs for mdi

[south kayak]

Demo is so sad, they can’t even stand to cast their opener in m+

Puddles and swirlies all over the place

[low folio]

im tellin ya, they relying way too much on swirlies to fill their dungeons with mechanics

[south kayak]

True

[graceful ruin]

ngl i think the biggest prohblem in dungeons by far is casts

[south kayak]

Blizzard: best I can do is more swirlies

[light vector]

Wouldn't be so shite if they had clear visible outlines, ala FFXIV or Wildstars (Rip)

[graceful ruin]

the amount of casts, plus priest still not having an interrupt and classes like balance having 1 min

and now cc is fucked

[low folio]

well casts are a problem now because blizzard made cc not put casts on cd for no good reason

[warped orbit]

We all re rolling fdk?

[graceful ruin]

what makes you think we didnt a month ago

[warped orbit]

I think if every warrior just rerolls FDK and no one plays warrior ever then maybe they'll change something.

[south kayak]

But then they’ll not do anything because no one plays warrior

[gaunt moat]

Yes they'll delete warriors

[warped orbit]

True

[keen pelican]

Do you always wanna use both charges of empowered raging blow and bloodthirst before re applying rampage even if over capping on rage? Ty

[steel shard]

no

if you gonna overcap

oh wait nvm

its more like

if you can RAMP CB RAMP CB

then yea

if not

you use the empowered BT

[burnt kelp]

demonology warlocks deserve everything they get

if your demonology doesn't have metamorphosis don't even look in my direction

[burnt kelp]

warior players tried to do that in classic wrath

it worked very well, they buffed ret and ferals

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-look-stare-awkward-guilty-gif-5289290

[graceful ruin]

can they buff feral again

[sullen dove]

new lofibanshee post about m+

[graceful ruin]

would be sick

[sullen dove]

time to spam post it and complain visually about changes

[graceful ruin]

give me feral/surv meta over this one any day

[burnt kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/827522497414824017/1166056160785334342/IMG_4901.gif?ex=6549196d&is=6536a46d&hm=8c65adaa6cc5cfd6c41ada790531d6aaa0f3c889e60639f2271ae459d0cdb3de&

[sullen dove]

die world of warcract developers!

in game

[sudden tusk]

smorpsich

[coarse moon]

I thought this was not true for ST?

[south kayak]

!!!

[burnt kelp]

now don't get me wrong

dk is broken

but my friends kept assuring me ret wasnt viable

🤔

[sullen dove]

and they are wrong 😄

[burnt kelp]

I hope they didn't lie to me

[hollow elk]

your friends arent actually your friends

[graceful ruin]

yea i remember when my group was saying ww was op and ret was awful

see how that turned out

[south kayak]

Ret got nerfed at least

Fuck em

[graceful ruin]

bro just hates everyone that aint him

respectable

[hollow elk]

friends 610 ilvl ret pally already doing 1.4m overall dps meanwhile im 622 and im about to be beaten

[burnt kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/completly-normal-phenomenon-chernobyl-normal-completely-gif-15280147

[south kayak]

I wanna get beaten

[hollow elk]

:mood:

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[burnt kelp]

devs when you tell them fury warrior is doing less ST damage than a support class

[jovial dagger]

nah , i ll play this nerfed spec

[south kayak]

Most creative ret paladin name

[paper aurora]

So r we sticking to Thane for m+ guys now?

[graceful ruin]

i thought that AM was gonna be better for thane

guess not

[gaunt moat]

You can play slayer aswell depending on the dungeon and preference

[hollow elk]

i dont know why does blizzard hates fury. not even arms got nerfed this hard before. but we must have taken their first child or fd their wives cuz holy shit this is a book level revenge story where the guy dont kill you but cuts off a finger daily

[hardy shore]

anyone know what talent I should remove if I want bitter immunity in mountain thane mythic plus build

[south kayak]

It is but desyncs

[graceful ruin]

true

[hollow elk]

you ignore bitter inmunity and tell the healers to dispel you harder

[south kayak]

Maybe crackling

[sullen dove]

i mean honestly dont think thane desyncing matters at all

like oh no you dont have ravager in avatar

[south kayak]

I hope all specs except mine get nerfed

Fuck everyone

Especially fdk and arcane mages

[sullen dove]

even still its not like rav and reck are anywhere near as strong as bladestorm

[hardy shore]

i dont have crackling

[hollow elk]

rolled nat 1 all specs but yours get buffed

[sullen dove]

maybe if berserker rage becomes the play tho itll get stronger

[low folio]

fuck mage in general

[paper aurora]

💪🏽

[steel shard]

i hope warrior gets another 3% blanket nerf

[graceful ruin]

fdk is fine its fun and its melee

[sullen dove]

avatar every reck/rav

[graceful ruin]

but fuck mage

and every other ranged class/spec

if you melee you my boy

[south kayak]

No, it deals more damage therefore fuck it

[compact siren]

Buff slam and hamstring

[graceful ruin]

no i think i will play it instead

[gaunt moat]

Fdk fun

Oblit oblit oblit

Oblit oblit

[graceful ruin]

i mean

[south kayak]

I am playing fdk and I still want 15% nerf

[graceful ruin]

we gonna pretend like we're not in the fury chat rn?

[paper aurora]

It is baffling that dk and mage gets buffed after already topping all

[hollow elk]

arcane got like a 20% cleave dmg buff lol

[gaunt moat]

No dopamine jump on fdk

[plucky ice]

devs play fotm

[gaunt moat]

[paper aurora]

Is frost dk actually fun to play tho?

[graceful ruin]

bro i played my fdk one time and got more dopamine than this entire season of warr

[paper aurora]

Like is the rotation consistently fun and stuff?

[hollow elk]

if you call dk rotations fun. ima slap you

[graceful ruin]

both dk specs are fun as fuck

idk what yall smokin'

[south kayak]

It is

[low folio]

breath isnt a fun button, but reapers mark and that scythe is pretty cool

[south kayak]

I’m in for a slap

[gaunt moat]

I tried myself and felt it was boring but to each person his preference

Love uh tho