fury

[molten spire]

mountain thane if blizz was actually competent

[glad coyote]

Where do I complain at

[molten spire]

here

[muted dune]

I Played Fury with a Passion since TBC, now is the first Time i am actually thinking about rerolling

[molten spire]

I just wanted to hold 2 big swords and club stuff

[quaint forge]

Good lord.

[muted dune]

You still can, but you will feel like a classic Retry doing it

[random hill]

it feels like 5th

with the nerf on the Unhinge

[forest owl]

😂

[buoyant salmon]

banger bait post

[glad coyote]

Highly doubt any ody from blizz reads this discord

[hard widget]

We need people like this on warrior to professionally sandbag on our behalve

Maybe we need to hire Tettles to sandbag for us like he does on boomies

[buoyant salmon]

forums

[hard widget]

Seems to work

[nimble kraken]

necrotic wake, first boss intervene

As fury, am I being an idiot if I try to eat it for other dps?

[north edge]

yes

you die

[random hill]

#warcisizm on ques

[nimble kraken]

sweet, not doing that

[slim grotto]

There are roughly 45k people in this discord. If we all collectively unsub we may get nerfed again

[north edge]

to be fair Prot warrior is S+ tier

[random hill]

only for tanks

[north edge]

and its a easy reroll

[mild ravine]

isthere a world in which we don't need to play of as slayer?

[random hill]

xDDDDDDD

[muted dune]

😅

[strong dew]

pls send help

[winter shoal]

Yeah on single target

[forest owl]

🤣

[random hill]

THATS ME

no elp needed

[mild ravine]

I meant for M+ I miss bersekers torment, and ii goest well with AM

[winter shoal]

I mean, you don't have to play OF as slayer in keys but yeah you're probably inting if you don't

[hard widget]

They can form a team to actually do a +12 key 🤡

[random hill]

i have so much fun rn

ppl are whispering and agreeing with me

[hard widget]

xD

[lapis shadow]

Seeing mates 610 alts reaching me is making me feel all type of unsub button

[random hill]

but u know whats the worst part?

[muted dune]

Well of course, we are Getting spat on consistently by blizz

[hard widget]

I dont think the system will ever change

[formal scaffold]

I'm in, but only if it's a BIG nerf.

[random hill]

ppl are quing asking for inv 4 set full gems 3.5k last season and etc

xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

"blaster"

etc

[hard widget]

OMG CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM

[random hill]

fookin hell xD

[heavy dock]

ive said this for a while too good take

[north edge]

the worst part is, like im a shit player, but im not that shit, i still know how to do a rotation, ive timed 12 keys on my war, but losing in DPS to alts where you are meant to be the one carrying a key for vault is feelsbad

[random hill]

YEP

[worldly cave]

remember shadowland s S1 patch
'all dmg +8%'

[glad coyote]

why can i see any of these in que?

[random hill]

just type PROTEST

cuz most of em are on 12

[strong dew]

or 12- 13

[heavy dock]

found you lol

[random hill]

😄

i got inpired after some WW in que

[grim prism]

i wonder what our bros on the DK discord are saying right now

[slim grotto]

"F THOSE BROWN PEOPLE"

[forest owl]

awww shiet

[random hill]

#warcisizm

[grim prism]

for the mods: he means brown class color (warrior) pls no ban

[winter shoal]

They're just discussing the class instead of circlejerking about lfg party notes

[random hill]

this is the most sad part

ppl not reading either title or description

insanity

i swear

[glad coyote]

yall on US servers or EU?

[random hill]

EU

[glad coyote]

probably why i cant see the que

[random hill]

this guy whispered me to get good

i guess im bad and he's right

eta gg boys

[eager thorn]

ima be real man

who cares

[twin glacier]

I know that healer

Lmao

[random hill]

i reported him

XDDDD

[muted dune]

New idea: every report is an Individual class nerf of 5% on everything for metaclasses

[twin glacier]

I mean I find the protesting shit kinda silly. I get where people are coming from. Espc the tuning, if u can call that tuning. Is ridiculous right now. But it is what it is

[velvet obsidian]

Ask him how he feels about the PCT nerf. If he says it's unfair then tell him to git gud.

[random hill]

bro im so bored im enjoying this even if it doesnt help

i was in que for 22 hours

[velvet obsidian]

Also, resto shammies. LMAO

[random hill]

getting declines

[smoky wraith]

pog profile picture gw1 warrior

[fallen sedge]

I better hurry up and pug KSH before further nerfs, then I can freely level one of the blizzard approved classes 😄

[twin glacier]

It always has been like that

Espc as warrior

[forest owl]

meta spec throwing shade at non meta specs is almost as clueless as blizzards balancing team.

[twin glacier]

❤️

[velvet obsidian]

The urge to play a wizard so that Blizz doesn't bleed me out every week

[fallen sedge]

I don't mind meta as long as I can do big zug zugs in MDI pulls, but blizzard is hurting my zug zug, so I will be sad for the future

I am very much out of the loop, what are the target caps on other specs? I thought 5 was the standard for most classes

[sick jungle]

i don't see any of these protest groups

and what are we protesting

[velvet obsidian]

Wizards and necromancers

[twin glacier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236937971834552321/1298056294762283048/image.png?ex=67182ca1&is=6716db21&hm=d3372dc2553629c67106c5df0bc1dc9fe0edfff30ea9e8f63bac37f9149e5490&

[slim grotto]

What we really need with this anniversary patch, is player houses. So I can setup a retirement home for the fellow browns.

[fair goblet]

fuck my life

[random hill]

this is beautiful

[slim grotto]

paid for by all the unused consumables we prepurchased for the keys we will never be invited to

[forest owl]

🤣 well said

[half cargo]

I'd like caverns of time dungeons which go off alternative storylines

Get some skins from HoST

[muted dune]

A story where Warrios matter ?

[feral ivy]

there has to be a discord or something to have this many ppl do this all at once

[random hill]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[half cargo]

Yes, you face garrish in an octagon, only this one has mountains of belts instead of tusks

[random hill]

broooooooooooooo

xDDDDDDDD

i cant

[half cargo]

Scarlet monastery, but now you have cabaret Whitmane

Flip to nathrezim, dreadlady jaina

[muted dune]

Since Metzen is back this would be pretty cool

[slim grotto]

Ok here's how we actually protest. On Tues, everyone goes Prot and we brick everyone's keys that'll show them

[half cargo]

It's a world of untapped potential really

[muted dune]

Or a story were anduin would finally stop being such a pussy all the time

[half cargo]

SIGN ME UP HOLY FUCK

[hidden river]

Im just in awe at these "tunings" coming

Like way to murder half your game pop

Gonna be dead in a month

[muted dune]

I mean i can get behind what he has gone through but fuck me all he does is crying all the time

[random hill]

xDDD

[half cargo]

Thing is, the consequences of what he has gone through, pale in significants to what others did under a similar situation

[muted dune]

Everyone gets their shit together because there are more important things but not cryduin, he is special and needs his attention

[half cargo]

Homie you stabbed a smurf and didn't even kill it

Chill tf out

[muted dune]

Yeah xD i was controlled and i had bad thoughts, i am so unworthy of everything

[half cargo]

Meanwhile Saurfang massacred draenie and remembers the sound the children made

[covert void]

it is what it is, in that its shit, and people are annoyed. It wont do anything but Im finding it funny.

[half cargo]

You know what, anduin dead do something

He killed off half the raid community in sepulcher

Man broke the fourth wall

[muted dune]

They wont kill anduin, but by the gods i would rather have a Alternative where anduin died at the broken shore. Losing varian Was tough

[unique thistle]

Varian was a boring character bro

[hidden river]

Then what do you suggest doing to get our voices heard?

[dapper lintel]

guys whats the best talent tree for mythic plus on fury

[muted dune]

Varian would just go berserk on anything instead of crying the enemies into submission

[half cargo]

TRUE

[stray pivot]

So, just so I can get it right, are we getting buffed tomorrow?

[random hill]

on fury?

prot

XDD

[muted dune]

Yes varian wasnt very intruigung, but he was a true King and warrior

[half cargo]

🫡

[hidden river]

None swap to frost DK

[noble elm]

Varian was smf tho

[chilly fractal]

And Blizzard couldn't even give us his fucking weapon

[random hill]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAAagxghhZwywMzGMMjxwMMzssNzYmZ2YmxMzwMsZbGmZMAAAQYMwGssY0YGQmFYxYB

[chilly fractal]

or Gorehowl

[noble elm]

Man was the original smf gangster

[muted dune]

He oneshot a hellreaver with smf xD

[noble elm]

Shalamayne was the literal perfect artifact - you could use the 2h version for arms, the split version for fury

I’ll never forgive them for fucking that up

[half cargo]

Well, good news is a bunch of people who wrote those characters have been laid off for a while

Only upwards from here

[random hill]

so true

[chilly fractal]

Pallys get fucking Ashbringer from a recently dead dude

[muted dune]

I hope metzen will make anduin more of a man after He gets his light back

[twin glacier]

Stop playing the game. Simple as that if u don’t get joy out of it.

[indigo arch]

Retribution

[dapper lintel]

so i guess we are weak

[muted dune]

When a damn questing npc has to pep talk him and knows more about the light than Velens student

[dapper lintel]

warrior are bad for mythic plus rn ?

[noble elm]

Depends on what you mean by bad

[chilly fractal]

well we ain't FDK

[hidden river]

I pay a monthly sub for this game... I expect it to be quality lmao SHIT TAKE

[indigo arch]

We also ain't muti or ret

[random hill]

till 11 they are w/e every class is w/e

but after that ppl inv meta only

[noble elm]

If you mean “will warrior hold a group back” then the answer is no all the way to like 12 prob

If you mean “will people invite me” then yes warriors are bad

Along with like most other classes that aren’t dk, rogue, or Aug lol

[hidden river]

Forgot mage in there

[noble elm]

Fair

Your standard late season warrior dps experience really

Just run your own key

[indigo arch]

Dw I'm sure the next patch of nerfs will finally be enough to atone for the sins of a prepatch and heroic week

[random hill]

only way to play

[noble elm]

Warrior will never be m+ meta unless our dps is grossly overtuned because we don’t bring anything but dps

[random hill]

ye we need to be top dmg basicly

[noble elm]

We should get that wood burned on a plaque or something

[random hill]

like wrath warriors

[indigo arch]

Blizz needs to remove give or take every "tuning pass" since launch or give us util

[noble elm]

If you wanna be meta go prot, basically a dps at this point anyway

[dire vigil]

man.. i started playing fdk.

[indigo arch]

Or just do what's easier for blizz and just let fury and arms forever be "why" tier outside vault keys

[dire vigil]

has the last month maining fury been a complete waste of time??

[random hill]

i already started xd

[velvet obsidian]

Always has been. Devs don't like letting us be good for long.

[noble elm]

Are you like 2700+ running 11s and 12s?

[valid moon]

dead game

[random hill]

dont forget to inv meta classes when u start tanking

KEK

[dire vigil]

honestly, not even. which is pretty sad. I've mainly just been filling vault with ara karas and dbs on my warrior outside of raid

[hard widget]

Maybe my experience is a bit different, but i didnt have too much problems in the 12 bracket after nerfs

[dire vigil]

I will push hard in the next couple weeks, but im so meh right now. Fdk has been pretty freaking fun though

[muted dune]

When i twink and open Keys i specifically invite warrios to at least make them feel loved a little

[noble elm]

Unless you’re pushing higher end keys playing dps warrior is not going to hold you back in any way whatsoever if you run your own keys and even then there are people every season getting title on dps war

[indigo arch]

Just do 4 warrior keys

[north edge]

im just finding it so hard to do damage as warrior right now

i get shit on by every class ST and MT

[indigo arch]

Did a 20 sanguine one time with 4 warr, it was stupid

[random hill]

cuz ppl know u

[noble elm]

Probably not a warrior problem

[indigo arch]

4 brons

4 spears

[dire vigil]

100%, I mainly wait around for guildies. The keys im doing arent bad, and I like thane, but owning the meters at 603 ilvl fdk over 615 dps is... wow

[hard widget]

Im not THAT well known

[random hill]

but still

[north edge]

i have no issues with it on ret

whatsoever

[chilly fractal]

Isn’t our tier set also like the worst in the game still?

[noble elm]

Ret requires far less ability to do damage

[dire vigil]

divine storm divine storm

did i mention divine storm?

[north edge]

or DH

for that matter

[muted dune]

You forgot Divine Storm btw

[noble elm]

If you’re getting wrecked by dps that’s a you problem - unless you’re just playing with blasters every key

[forest owl]

you missed one, DIVINE STORM

[north edge]

but fury just feels fucked tryign to get decent dps in M+

[dire vigil]

hahaha

good bit

[north edge]

like i can pase 95-99% in raids

but keys just aint it

[dire vigil]

I liked s3 fury because we had a pretty solid niche on ST in keys, now the classes that beat us in AOE also beat us in ST lol

[hard widget]

Depends what u compare urself too

[velvet obsidian]

I may never go back to slayer. Doing tank damage between CDs is cancer.

[noble elm]

Has nothing to do with m+ though

Like what would you consider acceptable overall dps as a fury warrior in a key

And what is your dps that you are getting crushed with

[north edge]

im doing like 1.7m on my ret

1.2m on my war

ret is 629 and war is 628

in 12s

[hard widget]

If u do 1.2m vs 1.7 ur doing something wrong

[restive peak]

I mean that's a skillgap

[hard widget]

No offense

[restive peak]

No offense

LOL

[noble elm]

Yeah that’s definitely a skill issue

[hard widget]

Hehe

[north edge]

my uptime feels so wrong

[restive peak]

I can do 1.7-1.9 at 630 on my warr

[noble elm]

1.2 @ 628 is like tank levels of dps if you’re playing with blasters

[north edge]

but i cant dps from range on war

[restive peak]

A few 2mils but rare

[north edge]

and im scared to step on bad

[restive peak]

I mean that's legit just a skill issue

[north edge]

so i outrange myself i feel like alot of pulls

[hard widget]

Throwing numbers around is kinda pointless tho, as it doesnt provide any background info at all

[dire vigil]

this is fun!

[hard widget]

Ngl, this is all really low dps

[dire vigil]

also sub 800k dps at 618 is woof

[noble elm]

Yea but this isn’t a warrior problem specifically it’s a melee uptime problem

[glad coyote]

probably like a 2+

;p;

[dire vigil]

yeah bro i started fdk yesterday, still learning

[hard widget]

Even for a +2

[dire vigil]

was a ++5

[noble elm]

If you struggle to maintain uptime that’s a gap in your play

[north edge]

on my dk i just ams and eat the bad shit on the ground, wont kill

[noble elm]

Though ill give you uptime is not a problem ret has

[north edge]

ret is just ranged

like on my dk in mists, you can just ams

and run into the fox in 2nd boss

[hard widget]

Problem is. People make the gap huge while in reality it isnt THAT HUGE, most of it is just skill diff. Its hard to face it sometimes, but maybe ur not doing everything correct. However, i will say. The state of warrior right now is kinda shit, and I even decided to play other classes. HOWEVER its not THIS BIG as some people make it out to be

Like if ur getting gapped 1.2m vs 1.7m Warrior vs Ret that has nothing to do with classes

[random hill]

pulls are very important for the war

[hard widget]

Thats just skill diff

[hard widget]

So are they for other classes

[random hill]

ye but u know what i mean

[hard widget]

Im playing Arcane atm

If a tank screws me over

I do no dmg

[dire vigil]

fury is just the old breath fdk

"pull around my cds bro"

[random hill]

if ur tank pulls big when u dont have cds ur screwed

[hard widget]

Every class has their own unique challenges. Just learn how to play around it better, or plan ur cooldowns better according to routes

[dire vigil]

"you ran everything out of my ravager man"

[random hill]

like in example this is a good run

[hard widget]

Not like ravager does any dps anyways zZzZ

[clever path]

It honestly comes down to “ease of use” warrior is just not forgiving compared to the more ranged melee

[dire vigil]

i know, im trolling

[cunning igloo]

Hello all, as a fury warrior since Legion I am rerolling for the first time to Ret Paladin. Wish me luck and take care to all of those who are quitting the game completely until this balance tuning is fixed! 👍 love you all see you soon

[hard widget]

11.0.5 fixes that

[glad coyote]

honestly they jsut need to fix the dmg profile of classes

[dire vigil]

im hype to gear this fdk though for real. i havent even tried breath yet

[random hill]

farewell 😦

[glad coyote]

they need to have a raid+M+ and pvp dmg profile

split the dmg profiles between the 3 things

and just have m+ be open world dmg profile

[north edge]

how does 11.0.5 fix it

because we're playing anger management?

[hard widget]

Because we get AM

[chilly zodiac]

so whats the incentive to bring a fury warrior to raid now if they have a prot warrior?

[compact knot]

no incentive

[hard widget]

With AM u always have cds, so problem solved

[random hill]

this would be better example actually

[north edge]

yeah but your cds hit like noodles

[random hill]

cuz we finished this run

[summer quail]

big aoe damage. we still have crazy burst aoe

[chilly zodiac]

not after tomorrow

[velvet obsidian]

AM is all about uptime. You have to leave melee for any reason you feel it hard. You'll be fine so long as you are hitting target dummies tho.

[hard widget]

Then u might need to check if ur pressing the correct ones

[clever path]

Going off numbers that’s very much not the case. They buffed classes already excelling and nerfed ones that aren’t doing the greatest. The core of the issue even with AM is still there imo at least

[chilly zodiac]

20% nerf is big af

[summer quail]

yes even after tomorrow

[north edge]

Arakara first pull - up to first miniboss

[random hill]

after the nerf with anger management and buffs to BT RB we will have cds on every pack

[hard widget]

This is not at all what we were talking about. So as nice as this comment is, it has nothing to do with what we talked about

[north edge]

i end up doing the same damage as 604 ret

[random hill]

but big pullz on NW STonevault etc

rip us

[north edge]

im so confused after the pull

[hard widget]

This is just giga low dps. Im sorry to say it

[compact knot]

@north edge show damage on the boss

[chilly zodiac]

so if i take 20% off the top fury warriors aoe windows on queen, the top frost dk wont be way ahead of him?

[compact knot]

i mean like

[clever path]

Mhm. I’ll remember you can’t have conversations next time kek

[compact knot]

your all linking keys

and it like tells 5% of the story of how the dungeon went

[hard widget]

No it just meant that the comment u added to it had nothing to do with what we talked about

[summer quail]

you do realize odyns is not all our damage right? bladestorm does more and that did not get nerfed this time

[north edge]

boss damage

[random hill]

aug

YUCK

get this off my screen

[compact knot]

no BOSS DAMAGE

[random hill]

xd

[compact knot]

not boss and ad damage

ret does 0 boss damage

[chilly zodiac]

you realize they're getting buffed again and we're getting nerfed right? odyns is a huge damage factor on queen

[north edge]

ret does ok boss damage

[velvet obsidian]

Cuz they already nerfed it multiple times already

[hard widget]

@north edge

[random hill]

no boss dmg on ret?

[hard widget]

Pull 1 ara kara

[compact knot]

how does that show boss damage

are u cooked

[random hill]

1 sec

wrong screenshot

there we go

[compact knot]

nah ur arcane mage isnt real

[outer locust]

Just got back from a lil break. My warrior is ilvl 612, is it worth to gear this anymore or swap arms? Or just reroll cause it’s not looking good in here

[opaque falcon]

Can we go back to where our big cd made it 100% crit for a few secs lol

[formal ravine]

Take another break

[outer locust]

Pain

[final birch]

ret does okay

boss damage

[random hill]

diff pull here

[hard widget]

So many people post screenshots with dps meters and before posting it just think if u actually played it 100% optimally

[random hill]

@compact knot so whats up

[hard widget]

Or maybge they just played better

[random hill]

with the boss dmg

[compact knot]

ive never seen a ret out dps anybody on boss damage

is a u problem possibly

[final birch]

because people can be bad at ret

somehow

as simple as it is

[summer quail]

i am aware, however if you look at top fury on queen and remove 20% odyns(which is very generous as not all odyns if used on aoe) here's illhitus breakdown

[random hill]

dude found a solution to the war problem

[velvet obsidian]

Nobody plays 100% optimally. By that logic no statistics matter because I guess all furys just play 20% worse than arcane mages.

[noble elm]

Overall dungeon damage is really reliant on your pulls.’ If you pull a bunch of small packs yea war is gonna get smashed by ret obviously

[random hill]

thats what i said be4

[chilly zodiac]

who has top dps on queen, fury or frost?

[random hill]

if ur tank pulls good

ur dps gonna increase

[summer quail]

fury

[compact knot]

fury, and it will still be fury after the changes

LOL

[hard widget]

So many people play a lot worse then they realise, but just rather blame it on other stuff rather than themselves and actually trying to improve

[random hill]

let me show u a good whisper from a rogue that i tanked NW for

[chilly zodiac]

wrong

[summer quail]

not wrong

[chilly zodiac]

fdk at 1

[random hill]

so ur saying wars are fine but players are bad xd?

[formal ravine]

It is true though

[noble elm]

This is really true. People want to blame the class or blizz but 99.99999999999999% of the time it’s a skill issue

[normal bane]

the fdk with 6 pi's? and barely ahead?

[formal ravine]

Dunning krueger effect is very much real

[compact knot]

fdk at almost bottom

actually

[velvet obsidian]

Sure, and I'm not denying that at all. But with the overall charts looking like they do there is a clear problem with fury's damage, or lack thereof

[north edge]

its like 90% harder to optimise on a war compared to rets

[summer quail]

ah yes a singular fdk that has a shit ton of externals and is surrounded by furys right behind him

very nice sample pool mate

[north edge]

on some shit ass first pulls the first thing i press is bubble

to make sure i shit out my damage

[chilly zodiac]

that are taking a 20% nerf compared to his buff

[compact knot]

oh he was talking about mythic

sobbing

[chilly zodiac]

link next week

[north edge]

on war i eat some random aoe and die

[chilly zodiac]

@ me

[compact knot]

yeah the 5 mythic kills done

totally a good window to look off of

[hard widget]

No im not saying that at all, I said Warrior sucks in M+ and i even started playing other classes. But people are saying they get capped by x amount or show details of 600k boss dmg. Sorry but thats just people playing the spec wrong. If u look at the ACTUAL difference, its less big than people realise. They just think that their screenshot of their details means its sims dps vs sim dps, which is bullshit

[formal ravine]

IT is a decent window to look off

[compact knot]

it is not

[formal ravine]

Cus those 5 kills that you point out meanas they are top players

[compact knot]

stop acting like it is

[formal ravine]

So they are playing more optimal than average

[formal ravine]

It's not really a sample bias if there's a sample of let's say 100+

[noble elm]

Fury raid damage is gonna be shit because they built the class around burst aoe niche which aligned with early raiding but now that shit lives longer fury doesn’t have that niche

[random hill]

rogue was suprised how much dps he did

[normal bane]

what?

[random hill]

did u made a DK yet?

xd

[hard widget]

I already have one

And a mage

[random hill]

xD

[formal ravine]

Fury's cds combined with the profile of spawns in this raid is what got us here

It alligns so well we're getting hit on every aspect cus of that shit design

[normal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/idiotic-rambling-billy-madison-gif-11124598

[ivory ingot]

ravager not nerfed

[noble elm]

Bunch of early parses are heroic where fury can just unga bunga adds on raid fights like rashan or queen webs and that grossly throws the overall dps rankings out of whack

[north edge]

its not about performing optimally or w/e, in the same key level i struggle mightily on fury compared to my FDK and Ret, despite playing fury since BFA and picking up ret and FDK in the last month

[random hill]

dont give blizz ideas

XDDD

[velvet obsidian]

Nerfed because of our damage in heroic dungeons.

[ivory ingot]

[normal bane]

you do know adds spawn on a set timer right

[clever path]

Next tier fury gonna be 40 percent lower than anyone cause oops blizzard doesn’t ever account for encounter diffs (im joking but slightly afraid they will fuck it that badly)

[formal ravine]

And how does that in any way explain anything? You could be playing fury for 20 years and maybe simply pick up another spec faster and fury maybe never fully clicked

[noble elm]

Did I mention dungeons you dunce lol

[hard widget]

I said multiple times that i think warrior is not good at the moment, and that im playing different classes instead, but that doesnt mean that warrior is getting gapped 500k by ret pally's etc. Furthermore, I'm mostly rolling because there is no high keys in the tool for me to do on warrior

[formal ravine]

Time played doesn't automatically mean mastery

[random hill]

but in a perfect world route and dps rotation etc

u loose

[hard widget]

Yes ofcourse, thats what i said

[random hill]

and that hero got bop sac cleanse freedom

[north edge]

i had no issues in keys in prepatch before TWW released

[summer quail]

like i said earlier, it's not 20% flat. not all of the odyns used is on aoe for queen. and even then, if you look at queen breakdown it would be 16 million damage less in total. that is if we are very generous and saying it's 20%. fury will still be a top spec, maybe a spec takes over who knows. you cannot deny furys value on queen even after the nerf

[north edge]

when fury was giga broken

[hard widget]

Just not as much as people think @random hill

[formal ravine]

In prepatch?

Seriously?

In prepatch that nothing works or matters? That no hero talents existed?

[random hill]

besides me streaming i also watch u and Crit Jeve

and Crit loose

a lot

by Qrwa

[noble elm]

Yeah and as other classes gear up and more people get into mythic raid, fury’s contribution to overall is going to decrease drastically because the burst aoe gap closes, so we’re left with a sub par single target output

[hard widget]

Yeah i lose a lot too Gaav

[noble elm]

It happens -every- tier

[hard widget]

But those are really good players on meta classes

[random hill]

u feel me u shouldnt loose to a hybrid class

[hard widget]

U dont find those in +10-12

[clever path]

I mean I said multiple times to people when the tier started that warrior would start out strong and then become worse and worse due to nerfs and other classes getting gear

[chilly zodiac]

like i said, @ me next week

[random hill]

yep true and true

[compact knot]

we will not fall off as hard as you think @chilly zodiac

[hard widget]

And yeah i feel you completely

And i agree

[formal ravine]

But this is not a gear thing, we've received nerfs week in week out

[random hill]

like 1 time we were good and it was irrelevant last season of df

no titles etc

[summer quail]

sure i will. you are definetely overreacting to these nerfs on queen specifically

[compact knot]

it is not a 20% nerf to ansurek lmao, 85% of your damage is going to be ansurek

[normal bane]

if everyone gears equally the "gap" doesn't just close like that lmao. Fury will always be the absolute best burst aoe spec. Sure if 16 other dps go to aoe adds on rashanan on the 14th week of farm it may be harder(fury is still better at it)

[chilly zodiac]

we wont have a reason to be brought, prot tank gets your ap buff and shout, no need for a fury when a fdk will be better through that fight and every other

[velvet obsidian]

You're being kinda weird, maybe stop enraging IRL. You were talking about us doing big damage to small pad adds that die too quickly. Then I took it a step further and memed on the fact that we got nerfed before the season started because of our damage in heroic dungeons. It's not actually that big of a jump since we have the same point...

[normal bane]

but at that point who cares

[compact knot]

you woill be brought on ansurek

you toddler

[noble elm]

That would be true if mob health scaled too but it doesn’t, it’s finite

[random hill]

ey yo chill out boys

no need 2 argue

we are brother in arms

[summer quail]

gonna stop engaging this guy, you should too @compact knot

[random hill]

i mean fury

[feral ivy]

in fury

[random hill]

we are brothers in fury

[noble elm]

Wrong channel man

[random hill]

yes mb

[feral ivy]

ah crap u typed faster than me

[chilly zodiac]

oooh namecalling over nerfs, nice!

[feral ivy]

lol

[clever path]

Yeah but it’s a combination of those nerfs, and people starting to get their tier and their bis gear. Have you seen spymasters numbers for what it gives casters? It’s insanity that it hasn’t been nerfed.

[normal bane]

other classes don't all of a sudden catch up to fury with gear and if 16 other people are trying to pad on rashanan adds then you have a differnt problem. But it's farm and who cares

[chilly zodiac]

teach me how to be mature like you and your fragile emotions

[noble elm]

That’s a lot of words man, just block me and pretend I don’t exist it’s a lot easier

[velvet obsidian]

K

[clever path]

Warrior just became the punching bag for balancing because people didn’t like we were good at the raid

[median dust]

No offense dude but a ret and warrior of equal skill… the ret won’t gap the warrior but the dps is going to be noticeable different dude 😂…… especially when one class is suppose to bring dps to the party but the Ret brings dps and utility.

[normal bane]

ppl can doom all you want about m+, fury is mid there. But dooming about raid is actually new levels of brain rot

[compact knot]

you might be right

[formal ravine]

Spymaster needs something like 4 minutes to charge up. The problem is not gear in itself. Tuning doesn't unfold around what gear exists. We have been hit so many times with nerfs

Sure there's certain interactions, but you can't tell me that spymasters is a factor as big as the tuning we've gotten

[clever path]

I feel like you’re arguing a point that is super specific while I’m trying to look at the grander scheme beyond just the nerfs. Which is fine but it doesn’t make you or I any more right or wrong when we entirely agree the nerfs hurt us

[compact knot]

spymasters does effectively noting on a 3 minute fight and if you die you lose all the stacks, its just like how signet brand was for us last season, nobody was asking for signet brand nerfs though

[median dust]

But I think everyone here agrees Fury is in a worse spot than other classes now. Skill level doesn’t matter

[compact knot]

well a 30 stack spymasters during cooldowns is still really good

[compact knot]

100%

[normal bane]

in where?

[hard widget]

Here is the biggest problem with M+...

Currently you have classes that Excel VERY well on AOE while being fairly ST orientated. Most dungeons get timed by having more funnel / ST damage into keys (hence a lot of people opt for arcane mages for big st dmg).
Loads of classes do not maintain the ST damage in keys like a fury warrior does while also maintaining decent AOE.
Ofcourse some classes do, but its most of the times 1 of the extreme ends of the scale.
So if you take into account that at the end of the pull the priority target lives with 30% hp and ur slapping single target because you invited and unholy dk, assa rogue and paladin. Then there is ur answer.
If you focus on the things that ACTUALLY matter to time keys, you start to realise that overall dps isnt THAT big of a deal as people think.

However, like i said, warrior is falling behind on both AOE and ST currently in M+ and we dont really "Shine" on either aspect.
This is not new, the only time we really shined on 1 of the ends of the scale lately was in season 3 dragonflight where we did very good ST in our Annihilator build.

[normal bane]

raid, fuck no

m+ sure

[chilly zodiac]

yes, on everything. its math

[formal ravine]

From my pov, the bigger issue is that the game is going again in the stale direction. I.E season 2 DF. 85% of players in the title cutoff were the same 5 specs in S2 DF. And now it's repeating again in this season. They are bringing it again down ot the 5 specs of meta

And let's be honest, if any of us was a frost dk listing a key, we'd not bring a warrior

Why would we bring a warrior if mage-aug will do much better?

[subtle needle]

im about to pull, is bloodbound horror full burst on pull? or is the minions soon after pull?

[normal bane]

you people are beyond delusional if you think fury sucks in raid. And delusional is the nice word i can say without getting time out

[compact knot]

if going down first, hold cds for adds, if going down second, send on pull

[hard widget]

This is not true at all

[formal ravine]

What is not true?

[lament lagoon]

Have you mythic raided yet

[noble elm]

Go hard or go home. I want you to commit

[hard widget]

There is a lot of viable classes right now that are likely going to end in .1% title

[north edge]

the issue is you are doing 14 keys when the majority of the population is at 10-11 key range

[median dust]

Nobody saying it sucks in raid. It’s in a worse spot than other classes. That’s a big difference my guy

[blazing orbit]

Hello lads

which is the best way to sim ?

[north edge]

like 99% of the players are doing 10-11 keys

[normal bane]

worse where?

in st sure

[formal ravine]

@hard widget if we cherry pick it sure, but 95% of healers will be shamans

[clever path]

Yeah that’s what I was getting at myself. We can talk about why it’s bad all day but the consensus is give us something at this point.

[normal bane]

in what we're brought for (burst aoe) nothing comes even remotely fucking close

[hard widget]

In 11 keys u can play 4x warrior with a healer and be fine. So again, focus on timing the key rather than doing big dps while doing so

[normal bane]

if you don't like that we're brought for burst aoe, thats a different story

but you not liking it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[formal ravine]

The same way that majority of dps will be mage and fdk

[hard widget]

Healer meta will become more open in .5 and there is loads of dps classes looking strong for title, same for tanks

[random hill]

Poison Dispel Totem on nerfs gonna hit hard

[hard widget]

U can play anything and get title

[blazing orbit]

What sim option do you guys use ?

[random hill]

not in pug!

[formal ravine]

No you can't lmao, not at least without a set team

[hard widget]

Yes u can

[formal ravine]

I could pug myself to title most seasons

[random hill]

ive missed the title 3 times already by 50

[formal ravine]

Now i gotta play a 3 hour queue simulator before i get into a key

[normal bane]

ppl pug title all the time

[hard widget]

Then play ur own key

[normal bane]

its aids

[compact knot]

i feel like it has been like this forever

[hard widget]

I pug all my keys

[noble elm]

Didn’t @restive peak pug to title like last season lol

[hard widget]

Yeah its annoying and takes long

[normal bane]

but above a certain rating its usually the same ppl

[hard widget]

But its very doable

[feral ivy]

if u can name 1 person who pugged to title with the worst class i think u prove everyone wrong

[random hill]

and ur keys in time are with rogue and dk

😄

[formal ravine]

@hard widget using yourself as an example is the definition of sample bias.

[random hill]

and rsham

[north edge]

i cant even get into 12 keys on my war

like at all

[young swan]

have you?

[formal ravine]

Numbers do not lie when i go to raider.io

[hard widget]

So u cant invite a rogue and dk to your own key?

[north edge]

apply to 500 groups get 0 invites

[median dust]

Damn I’m an idiot. I should just apply to 11-12s and tell them Jeventes said we should just focus on timing so bring warrior to group 😂😂😂All this time… what have I been doing

[random hill]

im not saying u dont!

but

[hard widget]

Same as what you are doing to urself

[random hill]

wink wink

[dapper goblet]

fury op in raid

[hard widget]

Then play ur own key like most people do

[light laurel]

What is the addon for the invite decline stats?

[muted dune]

Not as easy as well sometimes to be fair. I always post my key 10+ but i still wait for 2 or 3 hours until i get every role, if ever

[formal ravine]

@hard widget that's not the case though, we can both go check raider.io right now and check what the top 0.1 looks like ?

[random hill]

Why u dont inv other classes Jeve xd?

[hard widget]

That is the same on every class

[north edge]

im at the point where i see the keyholder is a warrior

[hard widget]

Its week 4 mate relax

[noble elm]

You don’t need an addon for fury warrior bro it’s 100%, just ask everyone in this channel

[north edge]

and i dont even bother applying

its 99% a brick anyway

[formal ravine]

@hard widget that's a great arguments vs stats

[restive peak]

Yeah it was cancerous

[hard widget]

This is the second time u take very interesting takes into an argument. People are not worried about pushing title yet since its week 4

Ur not even fully geared yet

[noble elm]

But it can be done!

[restive peak]

Also we are about to be considerably weaker in comparison now than we were the past 3 seasons

[median dust]

Oh I do… which makes your comment even more funny man.

[restive peak]

We were still A tier S2/3/4

We are C tier after tm compared to enh/rogue/dk/ret/ww

[formal ravine]

@hard widget how much will EVERYONE going from 630 to 638 change things in the end? If we are all linearly gaining 1% per ilvl (Ion example) the same things remain the same.

[median dust]

Just focus on timing key man. 😂😂😂 getting to title plugging will be easy as pie

[hard widget]

How is it funny? Im literally doing it myself

[hard widget]

A lot?

[restive peak]

I'm not concerned about me, I'm far above title range already and this season is gonna die

[hard widget]

Yannis u dont understand that loads of people dont bother pushing till way later on since they dont care for keys they can time easily in 4 weeks time

[echo stump]

Title will become easier when everyone except mages and dks quit because this season is trash

[formal ravine]

@hard widget no it won't. Currently a 630 ilvl DK will outdps a 630 fury. Same with a 638 dk will outdps a 638 fury.

How are you claiming ilvl to be a meta shaper?

[restive peak]

I mean title is gonna end up being 14/15s

We are capable of 14/15s rn

[formal ravine]

It won't be 14/15s when there's 16s already beingdone

[restive peak]

Being capable but 15% behind the easier classes isn't acceptable regardless

[formal ravine]

With 8 ilvls to go

[coarse moon]

What do you mean this season is going to die?

[hard widget]

Yannis i never said that ur just blinded by ur anger of how bad warrior is in ur eyes to read over everything u dont want to face

[restive peak]

It will be, because those 16s are giga teams that are 632+

[restive peak]

People aren't having fun

[median dust]

This is where I’m at.

[formal ravine]

@hard widget i am not even angry my good sir, i play with friends and am not in dire need of anything, to me this is a conversation. I see your arguments i present mine

[north edge]

its ok the red class is getting a 8% damage buff tomorrow

[formal ravine]

I am mostly going by stats that exist in public, not my own opinion

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[north edge]

we'll be 23% behind

[noble elm]

Pretty sure this season will die because the key pool is awful and healer outlook is grim

[hard widget]

Then if your argument is "i can not get title because x class does more dmg" then lemme tell u about the entirety of dragonflight

[ivory ingot]

thane

[hard widget]

Where we also got outdpsed

By half the classes

[noble elm]

Even if dps and tanks do wanna play, good luck finding healers in 2-3 more weeks

[hard widget]

Timing keys is not just about overall dmg

[ivory ingot]

reroll frost dk

[formal ravine]

@hard widget i did not say that though, maybe somewhere we lost each other. I said 85% was the same specs, which leads to a stale game. And you said "No"

[ivory ingot]

[restive peak]

If your argument is validating the current tuning, it's disingenuous

[hard widget]

I said there are more classes that are good than you think

[formal ravine]

@hard widget yes the remaining 15%

But that proves my point about things being stale

[random hill]

do u guys remember how this worked in the begin of the expansion with the whirldwind stacks?

[formal ravine]

If 85% has to turn into the same 5 specs to be able to compete on that level, yuo're leaving very little room for others

[random hill]

it was so fun

and nerfed for 0 reason

[hard widget]

Idk Yannis, but i even see a Havoc dh in there

[random hill]

XD

[formal ravine]

Yes but that's an outlier

I did not say eveyr spec is unplayable

[median dust]

I’m still going to push high keys like I always do. But I’m not going to sit here and belittle or act like there isn’t a problem with some streamer privilege with comments like “Use your own key” 😂😂😂😂

[ivory ingot]

raid is why we got gutted

[clever belfry]

the reason is reap the storm

[formal ravine]

I said that it becomes stale, if i see 85% dk representation, yes i get frustrated

[random hill]

THAT WAS SO GOOD THOU

[clever belfry]

release fury with cleave on unhinged wouldve been massively stupid

[compact knot]

that talent working with reap the storm was insanely strong

[coarse moon]

@restive peak any tips on finding an m+ group as fury my good sir?

[heavy dock]

does reap the storm count % chance for every BT cleaved by meat cleaver?

[clever belfry]

like we wouldve gotten nerfed into the gutter

[compact knot]

yes

[heavy dock]

that explains why it procs often

[formal ravine]

If i was as angry asy ou present i could as well swap to DK and get it over with

[random hill]

on every target u have 20% chance

[compact knot]

in a sense we kinda did anyways

[spice panther]

does anyone have a spellreflect weak aura that works for tww M+?

[clever belfry]

~67% on 5 targets

[median dust]

Find a pocket resto buddy or a drood tank and go from there

[clever belfry]

false narrative

[hard widget]

Current top 40 keys timed: Havoc - FDK - enha - aug - balance druid - arcane mage - frost mage - elemental shaman - disco priest - resto shammy - pres evoker - prot pal - prot war - BDK - VDH

[tulip swallow]

Frost dk buffed 🙃

[hard widget]

Quite some variety if u ask me

[formal ravine]

@hard widget let me ask you something in another manner, you like warrior since you main it. How do you feel that you maybe "have" to swap to something else, whatever that is ?

[hard widget]

For top leaderboard

[compact knot]

nah i actually thought we where very good in m+ before the changes atleast damage wise

[dapper goblet]

keep fighting the good fight, jeventes

[compact knot]

now we are close to the bottom

[north edge]

isnt like 90% of hte top keys timed by a combo of Aug, Mage, FDK(or UHDK) by that team in china

[hard widget]

I like it tbh, im enjoying mage

[strong breach]

this 'community' is always crying damn

[random hill]

Im actually thinking about rerolling prot

[compact knot]

i swapped to mage, dont regret it

[hard widget]

I realised that I have bigger goals, being able to compete. And if i want to achieve those goals, i'm going to need to play multiple classes to a good standard.

[random hill]

imagine the feeling

u get into some1 keys

[ivory ingot]

[random hill]

u burn it

says gg

[hard widget]

And im enjoying that a lot

[random hill]

and get insta inv to next

XDDD

[formal ravine]

@hard widget but doesn't that prove my point ?

That if you want to remain relevant you gotta swap at some point

[median dust]

Good news is… There is still a spot in there for a fury warrior if we just tell them to focus on timing keys 😂😂😂

[heavy dock]

the tank dream

[hard widget]

No? Because it was a choice i made. I couldve stuck with my warrior

[formal ravine]

@hard widget you practically are contradicting yourself

[north edge]

my prot warrior mate insists on pulling 3+1+3 on that first pack in Grim Batol on +12

and if the group fails to deal with that pack they wouldnt have timed anyway

[hard widget]

Im not at all, i said that i wanted to compete. And to compete u need to multiclass

[formal ravine]

@hard widget you literally said "To be able to compete"

[north edge]

since he gets to rejoin on the next key within 2 minutes after bricking

[formal ravine]

Bro that ltierally proves my point lmao

[hard widget]

You think u can compete 1 tricking fdk?

[formal ravine]

In this season for sure yes

[buoyant salmon]

common jev W farming

frost dk is harder than fury or arms has been since i came back to the gaem

[eager thorn]

w after w

[buoyant salmon]

idk if u guys could do it

[hard widget]

If u honestly think u can compete in this game while 1 tricking anything thats cope

[random hill]

IMAGINE 2 IN 1 KEY

[strong breach]

Nope. Too much fdk out there. U wont get in any key

[random hill]

new meta

[buoyant salmon]

i cant do it this spec is too hard for me

[north edge]

you can one trick aug and compete for sure

[formal ravine]

OIr mage

[north edge]

always a fucking spot for aug

[formal ravine]

IDR the last season that mage has not had at least 1 spec be relevant

[strong breach]

you"re so delusionnal its insane

[formal ravine]

Practically 1 will always be relevant

[frozen berry]

You mean like https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9 or https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1

[hard widget]

Do u see them play mage in mdi?

[buoyant salmon]

mage has been great in m+ for 5 years

[hard widget]

Most people arent playing mage in mdi

[spice panther]

one that tells me when to preferably :p

[formal ravine]

MDI Is not a push

[hard widget]

This is true tho yes

[buoyant salmon]

mdi isnt real though

[spice panther]

i'm new to this

[formal ravine]

It's a time trial

[hard widget]

I said "COMPETE" not push

[buoyant salmon]

mage just always does great damage

[formal ravine]

My guy you're just twisting words to fit hte logic

"compete"

[oblique trail]

Bro no shot you bring out mdi to make a point about the general state of m+

[robust widget]

I mean have you? I only seen them play time trial which is basically speedrun a 10

[formal ravine]

You brought out mdi out of m+ pubs

[frozen berry]

The first one does that 😄

[hard widget]

I never twisted anything Yannis

[spice panther]

thanks!!

[hard widget]

I said compete the first time

[formal ravine]

Dude you literally as i said above brought out MDIM

Which is a time trial

To prove that m+ is in a good state?

[ashen socket]

Priceless

[formal ravine]

MDI is a time trial

[hard widget]

No u said that im proving ur point by saying im starting to multiclass to compete

[formal ravine]

So you're again proving that you gotta CHANGE from warrior

[hard widget]

Which makes no sense

[formal ravine]

to ACOMPETE

How is it making no sense?

[strong breach]

You can actually push to a certain key lvl playing w/e u want. Some classes will always do better than other

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

NGL this is me right now watching yannis and jeventes

[hard widget]

Multiclass includes warrior Yannis

Idk what point ur trying to make

[formal ravine]

You're practically going OUT of warrior

To compete

[median dust]

MDI lmao😂 you guys have fun with this. Dude is drunk

[hard widget]

MULTICLASS

[buoyant salmon]

to compete in what

u can get title every single season ever

[strong breach]

there's a meta on EVERY competetive game and always will be

[buoyant salmon]

people have gotten title every single season ever as warrior

[hard widget]

U talking about me or?

[formal ravine]

My guy, the only point i made is that the state of m+ is super stale, if 85% has to play 5 specs.

[eager thorn]

dont think anyone "has" to play a spec

[formal ravine]

And you are cherry picking that somewhere out there, a havoc DH exists

yes sure, it will exist

[hard widget]

And i dont think that is true at all

[formal ravine]

But how is it not true when LITERALLY the stats in season 2 Dragonflight said 85% was the same specs?

THAT'S FACTS

NUMBERS

[strong breach]

i see an SP doing 15 keys. When sp is terrible. Stop crying get gud

[formal ravine]

How is it not true when it was PRESENTED WITH NUMBERS

[hard widget]

Ur grabbing DF season 2 numbers into this conversation?

[torpid sand]

[formal ravine]

I LITERALLY SAID IT FROM THE GET GO

[torpid sand]

Fun's over

[hard widget]

Not really

[formal ravine]

That this season is leading slowly into the same state of dragonflight season 2

[torpid sand]

Time to go to shaman discord

[formal ravine]

YEs i did

Scroll up

[buoyant salmon]

i mean after mage got their 3rd nerf

u could play any 3rd dps

[formal ravine]

I said it's becoming stale seeing 85% being the SAME

[north edge]

now its manatory to bring 2 shamans

[formal ravine]

And you're cherry picking the 15% leftover

[north edge]

to the dispel affix

[feral ivy]

noooo the week of dispells will be even worse to bring a warrior

[ashen socket]

While this is true it deffo has gotten alot worse over the course of slands to now

[hard widget]

Yannis idk man. I disagree with ur takes

Once again

[formal ravine]

What takes?

Again you are calling it takes

When i am talking with numbers that are public

I did not make it up

This is not MY opinion

[hard widget]

Yes because ur taking ur view and presenting it as fact

[formal ravine]

This is a simple statistic that exists out there.

[hard widget]

Which is just not true

[formal ravine]

WHAT MY VIEW?

bRO CAN YOU READ?

[muted dune]

When nerfs to another class Affect us more than said class huh? xD

[strong breach]

not really. first time ever Fdk is meta in mm+. Shaman ele is coming too for the first time

stop crying a lil

[formal ravine]

It's like you're willfully ignoring things

This is not my opinion. Practically in raider i.o you could see in DF season 2, that 85% of the top, was the same 5 specs

[feral ivy]

NGL jeventes he has u here ...

[formal ravine]

how is this MY OPINION?

[hard widget]

How does he have me?

[buoyant salmon]

so literally the single worst balanced season ever was unbalanced

yes i agree

[compact knot]

frost dk paid being bad for most of DF (over shadowed by unholy) and now they are the best this expansion too

[buoyant salmon]

ok now what

[formal ravine]

@buoyant salmon you've missed half of it

So don't just butt in to say something irrelevant

[hard widget]

Lmao

[feral ivy]

becasue hes informing you that its numbers showing his point however you saying its his view... its not his view its just facts

[strong breach]

this is their first time being meta since legion

[ashen socket]

Right the meta always rotates with classes but that is not the point I am making, Over the course of the past few expansions the need for people to only take meta in their keys has gotten worse, While that is a community issue it certainly could be mitigated by blizzard with little effort

[buoyant salmon]

ok ill butt in to call you an idiot

[torpid sand]

Actually please keep butting in to say irrelevant things, that's how we like it

[formal ravine]

cool

[eager thorn]

toxic choco wtf

[hard widget]

I havent seen him present a single number of this season yet to back that up. And even if he did its week 4? So its pointless

[median dust]

Like comment subscribe

[strong breach]

How ? they cant control people. And we cant blame them if they want the best classes for their keys

[young swan]

[ashen socket]

Lets argue about fury not having enough util

[young swan]

can u people be normal

[strong breach]

Just wait ur turn to be meta

[eager thorn]

asking warrior players to be normal

[young swan]

i use "people" very loosely

[eager thorn]

lmao

[summer quail]

sir, this is the fury chat. there is no normal

[heavy dock]

what do u expect of fury warrior players

[desert field]

lolol

[heavy dock]

we are all animals

[ashen socket]

You get rid of key bricking and now billy bob doesn't need to worry about their 13 mists bricking

[young swan]

been waiting since 7.2

now what

[strong breach]

You're all acting like the only thing stopping u from title is your class. you're all delusionnal

[desert field]

Good sir I have rallying cry

[heavy dock]

i dont see an issue

[strong breach]

whats the point to play if we cant fail ?

[summer quail]

hey we got it briefly in 10.1...

[heavy dock]

u already fail by wasting your time

[strong breach]

dk too. And it came

[forest owl]

Cant wait to see this chat after a week of more fdk and mage buffs and what wclogs looks like

[young swan]

doesnt count

[torpid sand]

We have Intervene

[formal ravine]

@hard widget let me ask you something in a different way. You said you changed specs to compete. Compete on what ?

[young swan]

dk has been sick nasty several times over

[rapid niche]

i saw revvez using odyns fury right after avatar at ovinax adds, is that a reason for it? instead of using OF after BS?

[ashen socket]

You can fail by not timing the key but you could also ya know just walk out and reset

[summer quail]

i know, was too short lived

[hard widget]

I didnt say that. bro the only person here not reading is you

[strong breach]

nope. Fdk never been meta in MM+. Cant say the same for uh

[formal ravine]

@hard widget my guy i can scroll up, you literally said you wanted to compete

[hard widget]

Go for it

[formal ravine]

@hard widget and i am simply asking, compete on what?

[clever belfry]

more frontload

[strong breach]

like i said, not fun at all

[eager thorn]

he said he plays multiple classes well to compete

[hard widget]

This is what im trying to do indeed

[heavy dock]

i do that in hc queen to instakill webs

[strong breach]

ppl are already crying cause the game is too easy. Cmon

[frozen berry]

Something that keys need is punishment for leavers... wether that be losing score, not being able to que, etc.

[buoyant salmon]

specs dont ever 'deserve' to be meta

[heavy dock]

worth if mobs wont live 8sec of odyn bleed ig

[formal ravine]

Which again i am asking, compete on what?

[ashen socket]

For you, Nobody actually likes the idea of their key bricking or when it happens

[buoyant salmon]

thats not how balancing works and not how balancing should work

frost has had several points of being pretty fucking good

[heavy dock]

u like having ur time wasted by blizz daddy

ig

[buoyant salmon]

its just a forgetten spec amongst the wow population prior to this season

[strong breach]

Yep. still no frustration when you lose > less fun when u dont

thats why ppl play LoL lmao

[heavy dock]

i mean

[ashen socket]

I mean not timing the key is still a loss

[heavy dock]

wow is so full of ancient and shit mechanics

that have no place in a modern mmo

[strong breach]

not if u can just reset and go again

[heavy dock]

but whatever

[ashen socket]

why add a feel bad mech to something that already feels bad

its like having flightstones when crests already exist

its just kinda brainless lol

[strong breach]

imagine talking about modern mmo when they all die within 2 weeks of existence

I dont think taking those as exemple is a good thing

[heavy dock]

and they still have better systems

[eager thorn]

hardcore wow is the best modern mmo

[strong breach]

they still die and wow doesnt

[heavy dock]

yea cuz they dont have backing of acti/blizz

and 20year of fanbase

[ashen socket]

I think this is just your opinion

[strong breach]

nope cause they suck thats it lmao

[heavy dock]

that will defend every shit they put out

[kindred valley]

Sorry new here we getting buff? I swapped from FDK.

[ashen socket]

Way more people would enjoy mythic + high and low end if keys just didnt brick

[heavy dock]

lost ark still had the best raids ive ever player

[muted dune]

Nerf

[ashen socket]

the issue of waiting 30-hr to get into a key would be gone

[heavy dock]

sucks the progression was bad

[ashen socket]

plain in simple

[eager thorn]

idk really

[hard widget]

U say that but i dont think so

[young swan]

go back to fdk they got buffed again for some reason

[torpid sand]

Why you swapped from FDK to goddman Fury

[eager thorn]

feel like the only person who cares that it really bricks is the person whos key it is

[strong breach]

and i guess thats yours. But u talk for every player like u know what they want xd

[kindred valley]

Sigh, I mean, I like Fury so much more.

[ashen socket]

so while you may not like the idea of key bricking being removed it would deffo be QoL

[heavy dock]

wow really

lol

[summer quail]

very unwise decision

[young swan]

stay then, but be prepared for constant suffering and doom

[proven olive]

there would be no point to m+ if the content wasnt timed. if you arent on a timer then you can just wait endlessly for optimal conditions to approach pulls and boss encounters

[heavy dock]

timer is fine

[hard widget]

If you remove the key depleting portion, it will create an instance where people with loads of time keep depleting keys till they finally get a team strong enough to carry them to the next keylevel

[heavy dock]

bricking needs to go

[summer quail]

careful, or the stockholm syndrome will take you

[hard widget]

And u just inflate peoples io by doing it

[strong breach]

Pushing with an off meta class is still possible. Juste have a team

[heavy dock]

ok but who cares about that

[frozen berry]

I've been palyign WOW since vanilla and tried most of the other big, or even some of the smaller, MMOs over the years and the only one I really liked sides WoW was SWTOR, and that was mostly due to it having awesome story and hell, it's Star Wars.

[heavy dock]

when u can just go again if u dont like the group

[oak garden]

I dont get it why the fuck buff the strongest specs? But nerf warrior 3 Times in a row?

[dapper goblet]

not a big mini game player myself but uh..what makes this season any different than the last 10 seasons fury wasnt meta

[strong breach]

critcake is always pushing very high with warrior

[heavy dock]

its legit a win-win situation if u remove bricking and no one can change my mind lol

[hard widget]

It matters because u get people with no business being at like +13 suddenly becoming anchors

[summer quail]

removing key depleting is fine imo. you just get the same key level if you don't finish in time, no punishment and no reward

[proven olive]

keys not bricking would just encourage people to leave more often. if there is no consequence for leaving then group leaders will just leave if something goes wrong since there is no incentive to stay

[strong breach]

i think i'm right so i am ! Ah yes

[cold silo]

It sucks getting nerfed but meh, I’m still having fun, got my first two 10s down (untimed) and excited to learn more and improve

[hard widget]

I think non bricking keys will heavily inflate IO

[heavy dock]

i mean every argument i get just proves the point of removing bricking

its just the hardcore ppl that want a curated pool of 0.1% ppl to play high lvl m+ and that portion of the game is getting worse cuz of u lol

[strong breach]

the best idea is punishing people for leaving key

[heavy dock]

that too

[young swan]

more fotm players upset that their gamble didnt pay off

[hard widget]

You do realise that it will become infinitely harder to get title if keys dont brick right?

[ashen socket]

I don't need to know what every player wants when I know every player has gotten super annoyed at their key bricking cause some shitter came into the key or someone dc'd, If they did it for 1 season I bet you it would be the most enjoyed m+ season. I could even go as far to argue that guildies and friends of mine had more fun doing keys on beta/ptr because keys didn't brick and you could just run it back.

[muted dune]

I am on Jev here, removing bricking would make everything much worse

[formal ravine]

And then it would also inflate key levels too. TGP style, a short trip, in -wipe-out till you get it right

[heavy dock]

good thing title isn't my concern

[formal ravine]

And the inflation of key levels is supposedely what blizzard ahs been trying to combat

[ashen socket]

Thats fine

[formal ravine]

With those changes

[heavy dock]

it literally only affects the top 0.1%

[formal ravine]

Supposedely

[heavy dock]

so

[eager thorn]

cant get a shitter in ur key if you actually look up ppl you're inviting

[dapper goblet]

so really this sseason is no different than the previous seasons

[hard widget]

🙃

[dapper goblet]

roger

[young swan]

yeah

[strong breach]

"when i know every player has .." Stopped there. You don't

[dapper goblet]

quirky

[random hill]

If the key didnt deplete and had like 3 charges be4 it lowers down

so much more options

to play

[ashen socket]

Ok be a loser then lol

[strong breach]

you're crying like a League player being inted. Just w/e requeue

[random hill]

imagine u playing 12 tank dc'ed u have 2 more chaces

[buoyant salmon]

warrior is usually good but not great now its mid but not good

[random hill]

or one of the dps sucked d

[buoyant salmon]

ppl are enraged

[random hill]

so u can replace him and keep others

[buoyant salmon]

especially fotm degenerates who picked warrior

[hard widget]

Then u have people invite the full meta for all 3 of em, and get anxiety to play the 3rd time

It only creates different problems

[random hill]

hahahhaha

XDD

[heavy dock]

problems that are solved by not having keys brick

so many things will be good

[eager thorn]

when ppl pick flavour of the month in september then it turns into october and spec is shit

[strong breach]

YoU dO nOt AgReE wItH mE, U a LosEr

[hard widget]

Which will create way more issues

[heavy dock]

such as

[hard widget]

I just said it

[heavy dock]

thats not an issue

[hard widget]

But you dont care because it doesnt affect you

[ashen socket]

You didn't even go as far to read what I said. Stay mad bozo

[hard widget]

Which is naive

[compact knot]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-revive-discord-gif-22826007

[summer crater]

Even better was the FOTM being an illusion

[strong breach]

i did. Still wrong as u said "every player"

[eager thorn]

it wasnt an illusion tho

[median dust]

You guys wouldn’t have this much time to bitch if you were getting invited to keys 😂😂 jk

[strong breach]

not much of a jk is it xd

[heavy dock]

i mean im sure by next expac m+ will have some sort of no more bricking

[summer crater]

They weren't particularly great in dungeons before nerfs and were still mainly really good on two bosses

[heavy dock]

how it will be we'll see