then?
#fury
inner shadow
warm crag
treach has abt 1/3 of the usage of the most used trinket combo and i assume the usage will go up as the dps requirements for keys go up shrug
also considering that the most used trinket combo is highly farmable vs treach which is weekly lockout
young barn
shard is basically khadros but more evened out because of the stacking buff
next ruin
That's a lot of trinket drama to be below Hunter damage at the end of the key 
warm crag
why would you want a flatter trinket stat profile on the burstiest iteration fury has ever had
young barn
yes exactly
inner shadow
our issue is we have no consistent dps
so how do we "solve it" ? by bursting more on cds
giving us more time before people catch up to us in dps
in hopes its enough that we get our cds back and bomb the dps and start slowly dippin lol
dusk river
When playing fury in m+, I have ascension wep. Do i wanna get the Writhing armor banding or duskthread lining? I raid sometimes, but mainly play m+
inner shadow
is minorly behind the Darkmoon + Writhing combo, but a better option for Mythic+ due to not needing to chain combat. It's also more forgiving than the Dragonflight version, having an 80% health threshold instead of 90%. Dawnthread Lining Dawnthread Lining is a similar option, though Critical Strike is generally less desired
next ruin
How often do you delay cds in m+? I try to send everything on cd and synched. Yet I feel like I never have them for add phase or big packs then mostly bursting on shitty packs and ending with low dps overall
Or is the cue somewhere elsz
inner shadow
wait the phrasing is kinda odd
next ruin
Yes let me do it again
young barn
It depends on the situation, generally you want to cheese your burst so don't blow it on 2 targets if the next pull is in 20 seconds and there are 8 targets.
inner shadow
@young barn which do u think would be the actual bis trinkets?
warm crag
skarm + ara kara probs going off of raw usage data
warm crag
idk its probably still skewed since no one has myth treach while some of those skarms are mythic
next ruin
It depends on the situation, generally you want to cheese your burst so don't bl...
Yes I would have sent everything on the 1 or 2 targets in order to fit more casts. I think I need to be more padd inclined
warm crag
Yes I would have sent everything on the 1 or 2 targets in order to fit more cast...
do you care about timing keys or about doing most overall
summer crater
Info moves slow too and people use what's popular
warm crag
getting more casts times keys while delaying for big packs pads your overall the highest
next ruin
do you care about timing keys or about doing most overall
Well if I do low damage on bigger and scarier packs there is also less timing key overall I guess
inner shadow
i mean yeah spongie also makes a good point
young barn
not necessarily, it depends who else is in the party and what you are fighting
inner shadow
almost no one has treacherous mythic
void mesa
what % haste am I aiming for/when does the DR kick in for it?
eternal sundial
what % haste am I aiming for/when does the DR kick in for it?
void mesa
I'm not asking about the gear I've got being the best, I'm asking what the % breakpoint is for haste
void mesa
ilvl matters more
thank you
summer crater
shadow-binding + treach sims higher than any combo involving ara or shard for me on any setting
inner shadow
inner shadow
shadow-binding + treach sims higher than any combo involving ara or shard for me...
source?
inner shadow
link or sum
eternal sundial
shadow-binding + treach sims higher than any combo involving ara or shard for me...
"bis" only matters in the context of having every single item available to your disposal at max ilvl
warm crag
the knife is just nuts tbf
eternal sundial
knif 
inner shadow
which knife?
eternal sundial
the trinket
inner shadow
whats the top pick?
teal pine
Shadow binding ritual knife
somber elk
not too easy to get it on hero track^^
somber elk
sims worse then ara 626 for me
summer crater
Well, for me at least
warm crag
so bis trink are treacherous and knife
its not
inner shadow
hm
summer crater
Loveless
inner shadow
mine?
somber elk
Guys if im 4/8 myth and only kill 2 myth Bosses This id can I still get sikran and rasha loot from vault?
inner shadow
fang sims higher than like 4 trinkets tf
eternal sundial
if you socket ur jewellery you gain more
inner shadow
eternal sundial
than farming delve shit
inner shadow
if you socket ur jewellery you gain more
wdym how?
warm crag
gemless
warm crag
bro spent millions on boes but isnt socketing his gear gg
eternal sundial
its gonna be like 40k
inner shadow
i aint know you can socket shit
eternal sundial
millie is plural sir
summer crater
On pure ST my best trinkets are treach and mandate but I don't really run fury on pure ST fights
eternal sundial
thats just 1 mil
eternal sundial
On pure ST my best trinkets are treach and mandate but I don't really run fury o...
i will play fury on princess you cant stop me
(stamina check)
inner shadow
thats just 1 mil
on this char x
warm crag
i will play fury on princess you cant stop me
Noooo!
inner shadow
jewellers settings
how tf u socket shit
summer crater
i will play fury on princess you cant stop me
narrow narwhal
magnificent jeweler's setting
inner shadow
ok which gems should i buy?
eternal sundial
sim?
narrow narwhal
buy the one from DF
inner shadow
oh k ok
na i just wanted to check
idk maybe im missing some huge shit
i mean i had trinket for 5 days
not knowing how to use it
summer crater
I think they're somewhat similar DPS but fury has much more survivability
Fury slightly higher DPS
compact reef
So is ok to play any of them? And after the nerfs to fury?
warm crag
for your weekly 10s you can play whatever you want
if you're trying to push super high keys you wouldn't be asking for spec advice
tl;dr play what you want lol fury's probably better though
compact reef
So fury MT will be the way?
summer crater
No, you should do it with the metagem
inner shadow
or do i need to check the 4+ colors?
warm crag
press only 4+ colours
summer crater
culminating blasphemite
inner shadow
golden hare
:reallymad:
urban creek
eternal sundial
/cast [@player] Ravager
median marsh
dont forget to add showtooltip
inner shadow
catch up ig?
eternal sundial
some my alts have like 3 more than others
you can send em to a guy no
i did alt raid to funnel main
so i dont have to log in before raid
haughty belfry
Which wep should i have on my mh? i see many have crafted on off
eternal sundial
ilvl in mh
warm crag
higher ilvl in mainhand always
teal pine
Highest ilvl always in mh
haughty belfry
ayt thx
mossy fox
they're needed
heavy dock
Guys apparently the dk changes is a 8% ST buff and 10% AoE
You’re kidding right
narrow narwhal
Deserved
pulsar sonnet
yo guys i have a question. Unbridled Ferocity 6% chance for recklessness, is it chance on every "hit" of rampage or just the cast itself that u push 1 time for 80 rage.
steel shard
You’re kidding right
Nope
steel shard
yo guys i have a question. Unbridled Ferocity 6% chance for recklessness, is it ...
its terrible thats all you need to know
like awfulk
eternal sundial
yo guys i have a question. Unbridled Ferocity 6% chance for recklessness, is it ...
per cast
it used to be 20%
which was not ok
so in season 2 you had 95% reck uptime in st
good ol df fury
steel shard
eternal sundial
so cooked
pulsar sonnet
i know its terrible but since the sims say its better now with MT i just want to know what to expect 
steel shard
AM fury
heavy dock
so in season 2 you had 95% reck uptime in st
Why not, reck doesnt do that much
Compared to other cds
eternal sundial
Why not, reck doesnt do that much
it becomes a non cd at that uptime
steel shard
yea just buff frost dk
eternal sundial
just like SKB made combust dogshit
eternal sundial
yea just buff frost dk
ret too pls
heavy dock
Nooo 20% crit chance 🙄
warm crag
Why not, reck doesnt do that much
flat damage profile is the worst one you can have
heavy dock
Its gonna be funny
gleaming siren
:icant
warm crag
schmidi you should respond to jimmy immediately
heavy dock
Seeing keys next week
gleaming siren
schmidi you should respond to jimmy immediately
HUH
eternal sundial
they should take avatar away
and give reck 30% damage increase or some dumb shit
heavy dock
Nah make ava 5 min cd and the only thing it does is make you bigger
That sounds like real blizz balancing
heavy dock
I just wish reck was a real cd
steel shard
ret too pls
ret got 3% st buff but 5% nerf afaik
but yknow
frost dk was the one behind so
heavy dock
I tried pally but it feels yucky to me
eternal sundial
but i want more gear so i can ppal too
heavy dock
Dont like the feel and sound effects
steel shard
idk dk mobility
steel shard
is not that bad
heavy dock
Thats the only good one
steel shard
DT is actualy a sprint now
its not warrior
but DT immune to movement effects
is REALLY good
heavy dock
Sims what, does dracthyr give any dmg bonus?
onyx turret
mast % or w.e right
gleaming siren
Dracthyr racial for DPS is not great
heavy dock
Dracthyr is only if you want your char to look horribly goofy
onyx turret
I can't wait to glide on my jump 3 times with transmitter
night relic
That rescue ability is evokers right
fading bane
clever belfry
@hallow sphinx real gajeel???
warm crag
gajjeel holy ylf
dire badge
hooooly
mossy fox
holy moly
restive granite
is warrior good now?
clever belfry
no
clever path
Slayer m+ is opportunist dead? Should I go for fierce follow through?
restive granite
im working on my ret
its hella fun
dk is going to get nuked after they bring 2 of them to the mdi
honest trail
Hey guys, what dummy are you parsing on? What do you compare it to on raidbot?
Going on dummy it's not representative of raid bosses who are above lvl 80. Also not sure if simming on Dummy on raidbot uses Battle Shoul by default or not.
stuck mason
eager thorn
Hey guys, what dummy are you parsing on? What do you compare it to on raidbot?
...
For target dummy i just do the target dummy sim with 5 targets to see if im getting details close to what sim says
eager thorn
P sure theres a raid boss dummy you can hit
Not sure but you can just not buff urself in game if so
honest trail
there is one but it loses hp so there's a big execute phase which fcks everyuthing up
warm crag
hitting the target dummies is the same thing as hitting a raid boss idk what the issue is
honest trail
Hence I parse on dummies
honest trail
hitting the target dummies is the same thing as hitting a raid boss idk what the...
Raid bosses are higher lvl, more defense no?
Sims are not the same
warm crag
not really to my knowledge no
honest trail
Let me try again
eager thorn
Used to be that way in classic
warm crag
idk the dps increase from being in execute is kind of negligible anyways
if you really wanna see if you're doing target dummy dps fine then just sim 5 minute target dummy and compare to the sim
i dont think its overly productive but if you're desperate go for it
honest trail
I like to try out things myself
honest trail
idk the dps increase from being in execute is kind of negligible anyways
BB execute is pretty big
warm crag
sure
most of the raid is played in the aoe build though and if you're comparing damage numbers against a target dummy im gonna make a guess that you're not progging kyveza rn
stuck mason
is mountain thane the play for m+ now? i took 2 weeks off my warrior and slayer seems bad
honest trail
We going for 2nd MM tonight & I wanna test some things
honest trail
most of the raid is played in the aoe build though and if you're comparing damag...
That's the funny thing, i played full ST build, did 0 dmg on adds on Rasha HC & got a 99 parse ilvl lol
That's kind of unexpected
But yeah usually going aoe
warm crag
rashanan parses exclude add damage right now
honest trail
Are they now? Didn't know
steel shard
yea the boss is fucked
warm crag
yes you played ST talents on an ST fight and parsed well
stuck mason
adds always die so fast i dont bother anyways
honest trail
I see it makes more sense
warm crag
you should probably still play aoe talents since thats kind of your job on that fight
honest trail
Will play aoe on mythic for sure
In HC they just get os anyway
So I maximise ST with execute dmg
warm crag
should go arms if you wanna do ST on rashanan
honest trail
I only wanna play Fury Slayer
warm crag
can't argue with that
warm crag
nah do whatever you want king
honest trail
Unless it really get so bad I have no other choice
warm crag
totally valid to onetrick
honest trail
Comparing Patchwerk & Dummy parsing, it's higher on Patchwerk by 20k
Would that just be Battle Shoul diff?
warm crag
can be variance can be anything
honest trail
20k is a lot tho
warm crag
you're overthinking this lol
edgy oasis
Reviewing the week 5 mythic raid damage.
I don't understand the gap between arms and I certainly do not understand how when featuring near bottom fury is S teir.
honest trail
Reviewing the week 5 mythic raid damage.
I don't understand the gap between ar...
They're great AOE, so they're very niche
edgy oasis
They are better than average aoe?
honest trail
you're overthinking this lol
May be my autism poping off but I spent like 3 days getting crazy about going Frenzied Enrage or Powerful Enrage
teal pine
Fury isn’t actually near the bottom. Just wclogs being silly
warm crag
are allstar disabled bosses included in the all damage graphs?
gleaming siren
are allstar disabled bosses included in the all damage graphs?
should be
clever belfry
i dont think they are
barren coral
is orb affix the worst one overall?
i think you actually need to pull bosses before finishing off packs so the orbs dont line up with mechanics that make it impossible to collect
formal smelt
hey if someone was going to play AM fury for Mplus what build you go. I know its not optimal i just like the play style alot
warm crag
regular aoe build you just change RA to AM i think
eager thorn
hey if someone was going to play AM fury for Mplus what build you go. I know its...
Its being buffed on reset
And yeah that^
forest owl
Its ok rash adds gonna count again soon we go back to pad that might raise fury overall logs
acoustic coyote
do we care about overcapping rage or spend all CB, BB and clap while enraged?
crisp bronze
Step 1: have a very specific niche.
Step 2: raid tier with multiple fights requiring said niche.
Step 3: remove all star points for those fights.
next ruin
Charge still is the best ability to press hence it's tough to reroll
eager thorn
Leap charge truly does produce dopamine
covert void
whats the current per boss build for heroic raid? lost track, especially since thane. is thane even used on any or still slayer
covert void
slayer fury is fine for all
and arms for the st bosses still? i assume
warm crag
idk man its hc play whatever you want
eager thorn
Don’t need to go arms
warm crag
p sure arms is dealing more damage on most fights since the adds explode a bit too quickly
covert void
yeh thats the thing, adds die so quick now on blast groups anyways
serene vessel
chat what class we rerolling on tuesday
eternal sundial
itsl like 7 buttons total
and 4 of those are utility
bright kite
Still copium for AM Thane with spear and Recklessness Caps
broken kindle
what are you guys playing for raid aoe, RA or AM?
broken kindle
hmmm so I guess it doesnt matter at all? just whatever I prefer more to play?
velvet obsidian
Current build Thane with AM is the dream. Make AM work on Avatar as well. That'd be some 5 star cooking from the devs and no mistake.
eternal sundial
hmmm so I guess it doesnt matter at all? just whatever I prefer more to play?
on brood it giga matters
no AM means no cds for each set
which is furys main job
broken kindle
on brood it giga matters
yea true but im not a giga hard raider tho, just planning to do 3 myths tonight KEKW
broken kindle
okok perfect thanks sir
south kayak
Yo Phil you said something about playing spear with am
eternal sundial
Yo Phil you said something about playing spear with am
Not with am
I said spear thane
south kayak
Oh okay
eternal sundial
Without of
south kayak
That would mean some more burst from TB crits during spear
eternal sundial
Is spear closer to TR on aoe
Look at the builds threat
Thread
Archi goes over it
For me with transmitter mandate i get like 1.2/1.1 st
Which feels very okay
glass kelp
hey guys, i've been away for a month and now im back and realized that we're going for Mountain Thane for M+. Is it much harder or easier than Slayer? And does Thane have much dps difference than Slayer? Sorry for the questions
smoky vale
your question has been discussed in #updates-midnight
normal shoal
hello guy's can some of you explain me why my dps is so low my in game char is "Auredeus" on, Hyjal
smoky vale
go to #449510248579858432
and please give more information
that gives us nothing to work off of
karmic crow
Anyone here a macro maniac and will help me with make a macro for TC/Slam/WW?
eager thorn
Anyone here a macro maniac and will help me with make a macro for TC/Slam/WW?
#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/cast Slam
karmic crow
#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/...
so thats what im already using, but it only ever shows the TC icon
karmic crow
#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/...
even though im slayer spec
eager thorn
not sure abt that but shouldn't really be an issue
crystal musk
Idk if exact syntax matters but you're missing a space between the brackets and the spell name
#showtooltip
/use [known:436707] Thunder Clap; [known:280392] Whirlwind; Slam
This works
karmic crow
#showtooltip
/use [known:436707] Thunder Clap; [known:280392] Whirlwind; Slam
for some reason it still shows TC for me...
TC isnt a learned spell, it should show WW
serene vessel
Pretty sure it will always show the tool tip for TC, no?
karmic crow
#showtooltip shows the first icon that meets the macro req. no?
crystal musk
It does not, I tried it between 3 different talent builds
Make sure you have the ? selected as the icon
serene vessel
TC is a learned spell, but it's not a choice node so it'll never not show i believe
nocturne dragon
Btw question for raiders. For Silken Court or other council type where the boss "Shared" HP, how is the damage calculation if we using cleave such as Sweeping Strike (arms) or Meat Cleaver (fury)
serene vessel
Iirc it only functions that way if the spells are learned choice nodes. Ie ravager/BS
karmic crow
TC is a learned spell, but it's not a choice node so it'll never not show i beli...
TC is something you n eed to spec into in TWW
which you dont do unless your thane
serene vessel
Yes that's not what I meant bu choice node tho
Choice nodes are like Ravager/bladestorm. Dragons breath/gravity lapse
Thunderclap isn't a choice node
karmic crow
correct, but "known" conditional isnt specific to choice nodes, you can do it for any spell
crystal musk
Known doesn't care about choice nodes, only if you have it talented.
karmic crow
Make sure you have the ? selected as the icon
missed this, i dont remember using the TC icon but that was it
serene vessel
Yes but the known conditional isn't on the show tooltip is what I'm trying to get at.
So because it's not a choice node
It's displaying thunderclap always
Because thunderclap doesn't have that choice node functionality that rav/bs have
karmic crow
It's displaying thunderclap always
no... read above, for some reason it wasnt set to the "?" icon so it was showing TC. #showtooltip just looks for the first conditonal to be true. it doesnt matter
crystal musk
Well I can tell you it does work using that macro with the ? Icon
karmic crow
Well I can tell you it does work using that macro with the ? Icon
confirmed. my own fault
crystal musk
all good, just trying to clarify for Yuski, same as you were
quartz agate
hello, is there a way to procc more sudden deaths so my bladestorm has lower cooldown? or is it completly random. Because on ovinax myth i rarely get bladestorm ready for the next egg pops
serene vessel
Me when I apparently spread misinformation
crystal musk
hello, is there a way to procc more sudden deaths so my bladestorm has lower coo...
Run Anger Management for M. Ovi
quartz agate
Run Anger Management for M. Ovi
oh my lord thanks mate how did i miss that part :c
crystal musk
I wasn't running it until this week 🙂
lusty jungle
you can take the warrior out of the warrior, but never the cope out of the warrior
quartz agate
I wasn't running it until this week 🙂
u guys had 2 warriors for M ovinax?
crystal musk
Yes
quartz agate
they delay avatar so they dont use both avatar on same pack?
crystal musk
I was at first but with how other classes were using CDs it didn't make sense for me to hold
dapper goblet
@young swan bring up the ptr servers
edgy widget
they delay avatar so they dont use both avatar on same pack?
if you're really overkilling adds, you can do this, but if you have that much AoE might as well have someone go Arms
quartz agate
if you're really overkilling adds, you can do this, but if you have that much Ao...
no were kinda low on add dmg sadly :/
edgy widget
In that case, I'd have one or both of you go full AM build - you don't need Avatar for every set, since casting Odyn's Fury directly will trigger Avatar long enough to cover Bladestorm anyway, all Avatar gets you is a second Odyn's Fury, which usually doesn't come out until the Parasites are dead or dying anyway
TBH the damage check on those adds really isn't that high, and a lot of guilds massively overkill them. This can still be beneficial because it means less chances of adds getting out (particularly if your CC rotation is iffy or your Warriors tend to die a lot), but a single Warrior can handle adds pretty much solo if they play it right
buoyant salmon
750m parasite damage is fucking nuts
need to kick the dks and grom out of the raid next reclear
quartz agate
In that case, I'd have one or both of you go full AM build - you don't need Avat...
ill try that one thanks alot ❤️
edgy widget
DK's don't usually do that much parasite damage, they're usually more colossal spider and broodtwister
edgy widget
our DK here was actually a new trial because our main was out, and he was very inexperienced on the fight, so he probably should have done more, but the point still stands that a single warrior can nuke them - adding more just means splitting that damage among multiple players
buoyant salmon
this was ours 2 weeks ago
edgy widget
We normally have two Fury on that fight btw, just so happened that our second Warrior and main DK were both out this week
buoyant salmon
last one was a scuffed af kill
quartz agate
In that case, I'd have one or both of you go full AM build - you don't need Avat...
oh how would a full AM build looks like? different then other raid multiraget build?
or just switch the AM skill
molten wing
this was ours 2 weeks ago
Gromnak slacking smh
buoyant salmon
he died
thorny peak
jesus christ thats alotta damage
edgy widget
or just switch the AM skill
at its core, just swapping AM and Uproar, however I personally recommend a modified build which also swaps Bloodcraze -> Sudden Death in order to increase Rage generation (so that I can run Powerful instead of Frenzied) and cap Imminent Demise stacks without fail every time
I also changed Opportunist -> Fierce Followthrough here as well
edgy widget
I also run double on-use, and then just alternate CDs
- Pre-cast Transmitter -> Reck + Avatar -> Roar -> Bladestorm -> OF one set
- Mark + Reck -> Roar -> OF -> Bladestorm the next set
little totem
hello, in my simc, fierce followthrough is coming out stronger than opportunist (with 2 points in vicious contempt for ST). is it just me, or is opportunist better for others?
edgy widget
Opportunist caught a nerf last week
median dust
at its core, just swapping AM and Uproar, however I *personally* recommend a mod...
Ditto
vivid moth
I’ve given up on broodtwister, if I die I die, we have 1 uhdk and myself as fury, have to many issues with threat on adds with the colossal spoders
mild ravine
What are the odds of running a no OF build for AM slayer? Berserker's torment and what not. Does it sim badly? For m+ I mean. Has anyone tested it out?
earnest meteor
thane very nice small brain forgets to press ww
earnest meteor
let me solo her
grave lark
got a hunter with 134 ansurek kills
Means they were probably exploiting the warbound drops
grave lark
Sus af
next ruin
is there a way to make a proper 45s slayer build for lower keys ? every time i try making one it ends up being really low on sims
warm crag
Means they were probably exploiting the warbound drops
most of them are boosting
granite trout
I just started doing m+ last night, did a few +3/4 at 611, and found that I absolutely cannot do my full rotation on trash without pulling everything off of tanks and dying lol I need to like put a blank GCD between things or just never use any of my damage CDs. Is that bad tanks or just the way it is?
livid marsh
watch what your tanks do, not all tanks at that level will immediately pull big damage numbers
i.e. if you have a dk, wait until he pops a bloodboil and a dnd below himself then you should be able to burst, if not its the tanks fault
granite trout
I haven't used an actual dedicated threat addon in years but is that something I should be doing if I'm going to get into m+? Or just want their dps?
livid marsh
usually not
next ruin
You usually wait a bit before popping cd's
granite trout
Alright roger that, thanks
livid marsh
with my dk mate i usually can just blast on pull
meager void
at its core, just swapping AM and Uproar, however I *personally* recommend a mod...
just to be 100% sure here: is this the build you are recommending?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUUFUFRiEUKRUVBUOVVEVURUURYhUQQCUUEFVVUBA
edgy widget
That’s the build I used
weary sail
Double on use trinket is psychopathic behavior
edgy widget
Double on use trinket is psychopathic behavior
Double on use is with mark/transmitter/shard and mandate is kind standard
weary sail
Bring back my arcano crystal
edgy widget
I just swapped mandate to another stat trinket for add waves
livid marsh
Bring back my arcano crystal
please no
weary sail
I’d rather play Ret before equipping 2 on use 💀
serene vessel
bring back titanforging
edgy widget
If you don’t wanna go double on use, grab a decent ilvl Shadow Knife or Sacbrood
serene vessel
it's kinda surprising to me that people aren't more up in arms about how dumb this upcoming tuesday patch is
have people just collectively given up on this xpac's balance?
weary sail
earnest meteor
weary sail
DK Enhance buff 
serene vessel
arcane 8-15% buff
earnest meteor
DK Enhance buff <:critcake:984549832511344640>
dk needs buff he cant solo clear a +12
cedar depot
If you don’t wanna go double on use, grab a decent ilvl Shadow Knife or Sacbrood
you think AM thane has any place on mythic broodtwister? Slayer nice but getting wrecked by adds often
edgy widget
No, Thane doesn’t deal it’s damage fast enough
earnest meteor
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/use 13
/use 14
livid marsh
you can pretty much macro your three big cooldowns together
cedar depot
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/use 13
/use 14
this wouldn't be right, you ideally want to use your trinkets before reck/av roar, also where roar
earnest meteor
this wouldn't be right, you ideally want to use your trinkets before reck/av roa...
was cut short
serene vessel
roar isnt in there?
edgy widget
Tbh you don’t need heroic throw, battle shout, or BzR bound either
- bzr comes up once a year
- battleshit is only pressed once an hour and can be clicked
- heroic throw is completely useless
serene vessel
sorry we were talking to the guy who gave you the macro
edgy widget
I also personally have had Charge and Victory Rush/Impending macrod together since forever
next ruin
have you tried binding Q E R (if qwerty) ?
cedar depot
I also play with minimal keybinds due to hand issues, one thing you can do now:
This will charge if in charge range, execute otherwise
*Charge/execute same keybind:
#showtooltip Execute
/cast Charge
/cast Execute
So yeah, you can probably consolidate/eliminate 5 or 6 binds easily enough
prime bane
I've been using Mountain Thane in mythics and have see an increase in dps
Although less dps on bosses, but that might just be me getting used to it
cedar depot
take care of your hands, controller is also an option that works very well for fury warrior
prime bane
This is my mythic build for now...
edgy widget
Your binds are fine, just think about what buttons you press and how often you press them - lotta stuff in the game just isn’t that necessary
next ruin
i think you could put a vertical action bar somewhere near the center of the screen for your cds, it's better to click them together very fast than nothing. Especially if you put them in the right order. Not perfect but hey it will work
edgy widget
This is my mythic build for now...
Welcome to the party pal
prime bane
Our guild just got AOTC this past Friday. Queen is definitely harder, mechanic-wise, than Fyrakk
cedar depot
I like queen, roots line up perfect with fury CDs
edgy widget
Roots, spiders, and hatchlings do!
prime bane
I'm just sad seeing us fall from an S tier spec to a low b tier spec and then nothing being done about it. Those ahead of us are getting buffed more Tuesday lol
warm crag
no one tell him you immune all roots in mythic ..
cedar depot
Changes are being made though, buffs to AM , thane buffed for keys, and even with nerfs we still do our job very well on most bosses
uneven token
Sotty you probably have said this a lot but, are we gettin nerfed next patch again ?
sorry*
prime bane
Oh I'm not arguing that we don't have our use but I believe other classes do what we do better
Enhance and frost to name two
cunning tusk
Sotty you probably have said this a lot but, are we gettin nerfed next patch aga...
yes 🙂
earnest meteor
so nice using spell reflect and walking threw tentacles in grim patol
uneven token
@cunning tusk damn it, do we know %¿
cedar depot
tentacle*
prime bane
In my head, reading the buffs/nerfs, I was seeing it as an overall netgain but apparently that's not the case in PTR
earnest meteor
i cant read
wanton mirage
I am stuck at work in Sunday instead of being stuck in LFG. idk which one is better.
earnest meteor
work u make money
cedar depot
In my head, reading the buffs/nerfs, I was seeing it as an overall netgain but a...
TBH with the upcoming nerfs, 95% players wont even notice the difference
prime bane
TBH with the upcoming nerfs, 95% players wont even notice the difference
I probably won't notice it too bad because I don't consider myself that great.
I'd just like to understand Blizzard's balance team reasoning behind it this time. I understood the first nerf
mighty idol
Every bis list ive seen has sacbrood as bis passive but my 626 ritual knife sims better than a 639 sacbrood. Am i missing something or simming wrong?
prime bane
same henry lol
cedar depot
the reasoning is clear...fury specifically made add mechanics not exist due to their insane command burst. they want to tone it down
prime bane
But our burst is still there. They have hurt our consistent dps over burst
serene vessel
Every bis list ive seen has sacbrood as bis passive but my 626 ritual knife sims...
just don't trust bis lists. Trust the robot
serene vessel
bis lists exist as a general idea to understand what is good and items to potentially look for when deciding dungeons to run
prime bane
I want crests to not be capped personally.
serene vessel
thats about it
mighty idol
word im far from a sim expert but every which way i change the sim settings its the same
didnt know if the debuff was hard for the sim to account for or something
prime bane
It said wildhammer was our BiS main hand... raidbots that is, until I got mutineer's fate and now wildhammer is a downgrade somehow. I can't logically understand sims
cedar depot
But our burst is still there. They have hurt our consistent dps over burst
the only target nerfs to 'consistent' damage is the flat 3% to all abilities and 12>10 stacks of overwhelm. The compensation for those is the 25%/30% buffs to thirst/raging blow
prime bane
the only target nerfs to 'consistent' damage is the flat 3% to all abilities and...
I wasn't talking about the upcoming buffs/nerfs
mighty idol
yeah i have lamplighters mercy 626 rn and unless i get a like 8ilvl upgrade wild hammer im losing dps in the sim
cedar depot
if anything arms players should be more pissed than anyone, so many stray nerfs from fury performance
prime bane
Yeah arms was hit harder than fury but fury was still hit lol
covert blaze
It said wildhammer was our BiS main hand... raidbots that is, until I got mutine...
well the value of stats shifts around depending on how much or how little you have of all stats
it's relative to each other
gilded pawn
It said wildhammer was our BiS main hand... raidbots that is, until I got mutine...
Because weapon ilevel is the most important thing
And also shifts yeah
prime bane
i was simming at the same ilvl
before it was equipped, it said wildhammer was better
after i equipped it says wildhammer is a loss in dps
at the same level
I'm loving the mountain thane build but I wish my character didn't yell like he was shitting every single time I press thunderclap
weary sail
Yeah arms was hit harder than fury but fury was still hit lol
Arms isnt even good why nerf
gilded pawn
Arms definitely did not get nerfed harder than fury
compact flint
Hmm I've been actually wondering about something about the stat priority. Are we supposed to get versatility above critical strike like the websites say to do making crit the lowest as possible?
cedar depot
Hmm I've been actually wondering about something about the stat priority. Are we...
you should sim the gear you get, the stat prio will change. The guide just provides a base understanding of what's good for fury
compact flint
Ah okay I actually have the same stats as other ones where crit is my 3rd highest.
dull compass
Can anyone suggest a different weapon pairing than charged and wild hammer
Replacing the wildhammer specifically
edgy widget
sacbrood should sim better with bis
Sacbrood goes up to a higher item level
cedar depot
there's a few haste vers options like ulgrax mace/necrotic wake weapon, otherwise its crit weapons like silken court
olive wraith
Can anyone suggest a different weapon pairing than charged and wild hammer
Let the sims choose
dull compass
there's a few haste vers options like ulgrax mace/necrotic wake weapon, otherwis...
I’m open to anything else that I can grind and get out of GB for the next week haha
warm crag
Sacbrood goes up to a higher item level
they specifically discussed their 626 knife simming better than a 639 sacbrood
cedar depot
grinding for the mace is just not worth the time when you could find another weapon, GB mace is just something I hope for out of vault.
compact flint
Can anyone suggest a different weapon pairing than charged and wild hammer
I've been using the polearm heroic from Siege in my sims and I'm fine for now.
eternal sundial
grinding for the mace is just not worth the time when you could find another wea...
ye grinding non max ilvl weps for stats is dumb
jank stats but max ilvl
i dont complain
warm crag
critus mastus
dull compass
I mean I haven’t had a weapon drop in 2 weeks
cedar depot
yeah people get really focused on the BIS list, but other weapons work fine since you can makeup the secondary stats on other pieces
cedar depot
unless you are crafting, just look at dungeon/raid loot. I don't know every 2h by heart
summer quail
So I’ll take anything
if you'll take anything do siege, drops 2 weapons
dull compass
if you'll take anything do siege, drops 2 weapons
That’s another nice tip
And I don’t mind siege at all
cedar depot
except when the spotter runs in the fkn water
compact flint
hollow leaf
court prog residentsleeper
spare hull
Is there any talent tree that uses the bladestorm/reck cd reduction talent and makes sense?
edgy widget
they all make sense, AM is just worse than RA
- after next weeks changes, AM will be very competitive, though RA is still easier/more straightforward to play
warm crag
court prog residentsleeper
what spec u playing
hollow leaf
fury
not a fan of arms
and been told by many that fury is more than viable there
edgy widget
Arms is definitely better for court
fickle bluff
not slayer fury 
edgy widget
only thing Fury does better is add damage, or you can play Thane for better boss damage (not as good as Arms though) at the expense of some of the add burst
hollow leaf
Arms is definitely better for court
Yeah for sure
But my level of comfort and experience with fury over arms overshadows the theoretical gain
edgy widget
after the nerfs, I don't think damage is really an issue either way, so you can kinda play whatever
- Slayer if you really feel the need to blast adds
- Thane if you just wanna play Fury but still do boss dam
- Arms if you really wanna max boss dam
idle ember
What track/ilvl loot do +12 keys drop?
livid marsh
hero, same as 10s
clever belfry
no way
edgy widget
Berserker Thane on Court
mossy fox
ye im kinda using this too i think
warm crag
it is horrible
clever belfry
it is horrible
stop lying
edgy widget
and it works well enough, I just think Arms is more reliable/better dam overall
mossy fox
oh wait no
warm crag
the novelty of it makes court bearable
mossy fox
i'm not holding the ava
young swan
oh wait no
hes splitting cd's 💀
warm crag
acutally try it
clever belfry
who do u think
young swan
anda
warm crag
its really good
young swan
hes not normally
mossy fox
so it's because of uh
clever belfry
oh the meme has a spelling error too
mossy fox
is it spear
clever belfry
spear
ye
u dump spear rav with ava
and then during reck sets u spend bloodbaths normally
hollow leaf
after the nerfs, I don't think damage is really an issue either way, so you can ...
👍 swapped to thane
clever belfry
but this shit is dead next week anyway with AM i think
cause more unhinged goes hard
hollow leaf
my jewelry is low af
clever belfry
your ilvl is low af
clever belfry
low
hollow leaf
frozen portal
velvet gale
So when I play Mountain thane I just spam thunder blast unless I am not enraged?
hollow leaf
thunderblast is your highest prio inside enrage
edgy widget
cause more unhinged goes hard
AM Thane may be a legit play for Court yeah, but I think RA still wins in most other content
clever belfry
yy im only talking court here
edgy widget
while they sim practically equal, I don't like AM for M+, since everything desyncs so hard it's too easy to end up sitting on cds and wasting that extra potential uptime
edgy widget
maybe just a personal thing; I'm sure someone will blast with AM in a well pulled key, I just don't like it (and my keys ain't that coordinated lol)
nocturne dragon
Arms is definitely better for court
Btw while we speaking Silken Court or other council type where the boss "Shared" HP, how is the damage calculation if we using cleave such as Sweeping Strike (arms) or Meat Cleaver (fury)
The normal 2 enemy for example if you hit 1000 on main then the sweeping target hit for 700, but how does it work for shared HP?
nocturne dragon
So we stacking boss and cleave is just for mechanic or something? I mean technically speaking if the boss separated then you deal 1000 to boss A it also deal 1000already to boss B?
hollow leaf
do you guys think shattering is worth for court
clever belfry
So we stacking boss and cleave is just for mechanic or something? I mean technic...
they have the same healthbar functionally
clever belfry
do you guys think shattering is worth for court
half the guilds do a hold strat anyway, so eh not really
kinda hard to get unless u play slayer fury too ngl
nocturne dragon
do you guys think shattering is worth for court
not shattering, but you can try the wrecking (45 secs one) shattering is just 3 min with same damage.
nocturne dragon
they have the same healthbar functionally
AHH! I start to get it now. So basically we can assume the boss is 1, you hit for 1000, then with sweeping basically it hit 1 boss for 1700?
clever belfry
yes
it probably works differently under the hood, but that is functionally the same
warm crag
you want to break the shields slower in court
hollow leaf
how come?
hollow leaf
so you use it as a sort of recovery time to have your CDs back up for the burn phase?
clever belfry
ye
dapper goblet
we love bosses like that
clever belfry
we love bosses like that
kt best boss
dapper goblet
clever belfry
🌉
fallen sedge
https://tenor.com/view/mods-cut-him-down-tear-him-apart-splay-the-gore-gif-16211...
JUDGEMENT or something idk
junior dock
can you leap bloodhound horror beam ?
nocturne dragon
I don't think so
junior dock
xd
young swan
can you leap bloodhound horror beam ?
u can
its not easy tho
its the same as the ring in p3 ansurek
if you catch it at the right angle with the right arc you can z-axis it
restive narwhal
Do we OF into BS or the other way around on Ovi myth ?
nocturne dragon
well 500IQ play like that I think not worth the gamble?
young swan
source: I did it by accident trying to kill myself
hollow leaf
Do we OF into BS or the other way around on Ovi myth ?
afaik BS > OF
young swan
Do we OF into BS or the other way around on Ovi myth ?
are you asking for add sets where you dont have avatar
if you dont have avatar its OF > BS, if you do have avatar its BS > OF
hollow leaf
well ther eason you go OF > BS when you don't have ava is because OF triggers ava
so you have ava during your BS
warm crag
bro no way you took my timers
submit to the slaughter
oblique trail
I did not consent..
clever belfry
bro no way you took my timers
bro
this is a lie
u used my timers to make ur timers
clever belfry
i can work with that
frank rover
kings
on broodtwister
am i dispelling the webs somehow
or is someone inhumanly dispelling me
oblique trail
You dispel them as Slayer when you charge
frank rover
ok so i should take that talen off?
oblique trail
no
You should in fact do the opposite and on purpose cleanse it
Jump out into somewhere free, like the black goo, then charge back
young swan
black goo is free real estate
warm crag
Jump out into somewhere free, like the black goo, then charge back
jump as in leap
oblique trail
I'll leap to Germany
summer quail
black goo is free real estate
didn't work out so well in Alien
young swan
no just w key + space bar
clever belfry
I'll leap to Germany
go on
hollow leaf
@oblique trail how'd thane feel for you on court?
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> how'd thane feel for you on court?
Busy during Avatar windows
I definitely didn't get the hang of it before we killed
But better still than how Arms felt
flat river
Nothing feels better than arms
warm crag
But better still than how Arms felt
idk im cooking with it
can compete with schmidi
schmidi (arbitrary 10% damage dealt increase)
(definitely not an arms prodigy)
oblique trail
I think it's a good pick if you have bad Arms gear/no Arms experience
inner shadow
@edgy widget i have a question regarding trinkets
we had this convo this morning
sac and shard are the most used for m+ for the consistent dps and they beat > treacherous
but the knife trink + treacherous trinket combo seems to sim higher than any other combo
now my question is in m+ is the best trinkets shard and sacbrood cuz almost no one has treacherous transmitter at 639?
like which trink combo is actually bis? we lack a lot of consistent dps and thane helps us with that but it isn't enough, so that's why maybe in higher keys where adds don't insta die they require more passive/continuous trinket buff? over bursty?
warm crag
rude..
warm crag
it was!!!
hollow leaf
I think it's a good pick if you have bad Arms gear/no Arms experience
for me it's more like
I can play arms
night cedar
<@61282228017041408> i have a question regarding trinkets
we had this convo this...
Just transmitter is more tedious to play correctly in m+
hollow leaf
But the damage difference is probably not worth it over how much I hate arms
inner shadow
Just transmitter is more tedious to play correctly in m+
i mean.. it isnt really, since when u get ur cds u pop it
most of the time its jump 3 times bs
oblique trail
But the damage difference is probably not worth it over how much I hate arms
Even after a few pulls I did fairly similar DPS to what I did as Arms, but I don't think I even played Arms right honestly
clever belfry
But better still than how Arms felt
anything > arms
bitter palm
anything > arms
rotund ginkgo
wym?
clever belfry
?
rotund ginkgo
its nawoh font
clever belfry
whats that got to do with anything
wind notch
we r currently progressing broodtwister and I cant belive we r getting nerft and frost dk are just chilling first ST and MT dps in our grp..
south kayak
Why even mention that second thing, obviously he wasn’t talking about that
hollow leaf
Even after a few pulls I did fairly similar DPS to what I did as Arms, but I don...
same
I feel I'm doing way more actually as fury
night cedar
i mean.. it isnt really, since when u get ur cds u pop it
But if u are confy with transmitter, ofc use it
Is a good trinket
hollow leaf
I'm using transmitter + mandate on court
bitter palm
Why even mention that second thing, obviously he wasn’t talking about that
makes it funnier
clever belfry
I feel I'm doing way more actually as fury
are u doing more to boss
or are u padding adds
inner shadow
But if u are confy with transmitter, ofc use it
ye but sims are precise close to perfect calculations
and smh shard and sac does better? idk
oblique trail
I'm using transmitter + mandate on court
Did the same but I brainlagged and forgot to use my mandate properly on kill
so I lost uses
note: plural
inner shadow
kekw
night cedar
ye but sims are precise close to perfect calculations
Transmitter is the best trinket. Thats it. But u need to do some tasks and some people simply prefer not to use it
night cedar
I have transmitter 619 and sims more than my 626 trinkets
Still prefer my 626 trinkets
But again, if u feel comfy with that, use it
On paper, best trinket
graceful ruin
does it look like we'll be changing builds again in M+ with this patch? to AM?
night cedar
am + thane
third damage amp I have all cds + both trinkets
summer crater
So is FDK actually getting buffed in anniversary patch?
inner shadow
On paper, best trinket
yes paper, imagination
summer quail
So is FDK actually getting buffed in anniversary patch?
yes, enhance and arcane as well
several top performers getting buffed 🙂
summer crater
Meanwhile our nerf stays
hollow leaf
tender seal
Did the same but I brainlagged and forgot to use my mandate properly on kill
this is why u make an obnoxious weakaura for that kind of trinket :p
inner shadow
can this drop in m+ vault or only raid ?
hollow leaf
can this drop in m+ vault or only raid ?
vault
oh nvm that's not what you asked
only raid
since it's from a raid boss
hollow leaf
You have to kill nexus princess
oblique trail
this is why u make an obnoxious weakaura for that kind of trinket :p
I moved my Trinket tracker around just before the raid which was not ideal
inner shadow
You have to kill nexus princess
oh if i kill first boss in mythic
i wouldnt get in vault ?
like chance to get it
hollow leaf
You'd only have first boss's loot table
supple laurel
How comes, when I am viewing logs, it doesn't show when Avatar was casted
hollow leaf
no pretty sure you need to kill it every time you want it in vault
inner shadow
fk
supple laurel
oh right hehe ncie thanks
sullen dove
no if you kill it once it should always be in your loot table
unless they changed that recently
thats always how it's worked
kill nexus once and then even if you only get up to like 4/8m in vault nexus loot is eligible to drop from there
summer quail
no pretty sure you need to kill it every time you want it in vault
you only need to kill a boss once for its loot to be available in the vault. however you ofcourse need to kill X amount of bosses for the vault to be available. also if you kill a later boss you unlock the previous boss loot in vault
so if you're benched on first boss for example and have never killed it but have killed 2nd and 3rd, you can still get first boss loot
warm crag
i dont think your guild will appreciate you not being available to raid an entire week cause you went for a chance of a treach
hollow leaf
you only need to kill a boss once for its loot to be available in the vault. how...
alr ty for correcting me
inner shadow
i dont think your guild will appreciate you not being available to raid an entir...
i can bs sayuing ye i got other things to do
easy
jk
i will tell them
one dps wont change
but the potential tho
serene vessel
you only need to kill a boss once for its loot to be available in the vault. how...
I don't know if this part is true, is it? I remember there being a tech to not killing certain bosses on heroic as a hunter in DF to get a higher chance of the OP bow from razageth
summer quail
I don't know if this part is true, is it? I remember there being a tech to not k...
they made it the way i said specifically after vault coz people did what you said to game the vault.
serene vessel
oh lol
yeah i remember doing it, then i never got the bow
gave up the hunter because lol a 30% dps increase off a very rare drop was cool
summer quail
alr ty for correcting me
no problem, love you
brittle crow
is mad queen's mandate picky about what it considers a kill
like do i gotta actually snipe the kill
tardy lark
hollow leaf
no problem, love you
💑
chilly fractal
personally I'm not a huge fan
gives a lot of good prio dam
or on the add affix week you can kill them off from like 40%
edgy widget
I think its fun to use, but it's not always a good idea to go out of your way to snipe kills with it - what you make up for in lowered CD you can sometimes lose in overkill damage
Still try to hit low health targets with it, just don't waste it on like 5% health remaining trash
graceful ruin
can you spell reflect ice sickles on 2nd boss of city of threads to not get the dot?
chilly fractal
just for the DR
tidal plinth
If I mostly play M+, is Dungeon Slice a good way to sim or it's a bit broken ?
subtle needle
anyone know of a good weak aura that boldly tells you when you're in defensive stance
found one
summer quail
you still get the dot ye?
yes. should still press SR tho
graceful ruin
yea
jade jacinth
Why are some fury warriors desperate about ovinax trinket? Is it just random pug behavior?
chilly fractal
desperate?
jade jacinth
Had 2 warriors whisper me to buy it off me lol
chilly fractal
its a good trinket
for me sims higher than sacbrood
so I'm trying to get one but its not that large an increase
dense drum
Pala is 614 ilvl and warrior was 628 eq 2700 score. Both died twice in this run. Just a +4 though
He played thane
chilly fractal
well when everything dies before your CDs finish
lapis slate
thane in a +4 is troll
chilly fractal
and Pally has their CDs back already
compact flint
Do you know the addon that shows you who has what key?
chilly fractal
details
next coyote
I mean rets still heavily outperform us and being utility, imminities, and off heals
Warriors are actually dogshit for m+ in comparison to similar classes right now
Cant wait for the aoe caps though !
olive wraith
Pala is 614 ilvl and warrior was 628 eq 2700 score. Both died twice in this run....
I did a 4 with a 590 ret alt and pulled 1.2m
next coyote
Ret is broken. That 30sec dps is basically same as warriors 1.30 min
And yet fury is the one receiving further nerfs
next coyote
I actually didnt give a fuck about the first couple rounds of nerfs
But now im getting outperformed by rets and fdks 10 ilvls below me
serene vessel
hope pally catches all the nerfs and fdk goes under the radar
0 chance FDK goes under the radar
summer quail
I actually didnt give a fuck about the first couple rounds of nerfs
the first aoe nerf was completely justified. not a fan of the aura nerf
subtle needle
Anyone know a good addon or weakaura that annonces your succesful spell reflects?
serene vessel
they're one of the top specs and getting buffed lol
next coyote
Im not an insane player but right now I feel useless in m+
brittle crow
0 chance FDK goes under the radar
yea but its not warrior
so they might get reasonable nerfs instead of
u know
being deleted
subtle needle
i truly dont get what ppl are talking about when it comes to warrior in M+. i'm 2600 in 11's and 12's and im consistently at the top of the meter
i have such quick interrupt cooldown speed
brittle crow
i truly dont get what ppl are talking about when it comes to warrior in M+. i'm ...
skill issue on ur other dps' behalf
tbh
brittle crow
ur interrupt is mid, multiple classes have shorter longer ranged cds
shockwave is goated tru
next coyote
i truly dont get what ppl are talking about when it comes to warrior in M+. i'm ...
We're similar score and key level and im consistently lowest overall in dungeons
final birch
In 11-12 its player>class
lofty delta
You guys get to dps?? I was forced to swap to tank for m+
next coyote
We have some util but we kind of have to shoot ourselves in the foot to make use of it in the talents
final birch
We have some util but we kind of have to shoot ourselves in the foot to make use...
Not rly
subtle needle
Any1 know a good addon or weakaura for announcing succesful spell reflects? Alot of the ones i've found are quite buggy
next coyote
We bring one decent aoe stop, but apart from that( and aoe stops are nerfed this season) we offer very little im comparison to other similar classes
next coyote
Not rly
Cant really pick up improved shockwave and fear without missing some necessary selections idk
next coyote
Exactly what im saying
final birch
Wdym exactly you said you’re dropping necessary stuff
chilly fractal
i truly dont get what ppl are talking about when it comes to warrior in M+. i'm ...
Playing with what?
buoyant salmon
Cant really pick up improved shockwave and fear without missing some necessary s...
yes you can
you dont drop anything real
next coyote
Im not seeing any warrs using fear in high keys
final birch
Thats irrelevant
buoyant salmon
well fear just isnt a very good stop in general
next coyote
For example bitter immunity on week 3 affiz
final birch
Week 3 affix is not a thing in 12+
buoyant salmon
thats a pretty cope thing to take just bring a shaman
olive wraith
Is shockwave not one of the best aoe stops
next coyote
Shock wave and thane bolt DR
olive wraith
Dr doesn’t matter much
final birch
U dont have to play triple stormbolts
olive wraith
Also don’t take bolt cleave
final birch
If youre worried about dr
next coyote
I mean true just bring a shaman in a perfect world
next coyote
Its a shaman world, we're just living in it
I mean regardless rets are still smacking our asses
final birch
In aoe yes but there’s a reason nobody is taking ret in real keys
They do no prio and have mid st
next coyote
No point bringing a warr when you can bring a ret with 15 ilvls less doing the same or more damage and offering mich better util
final birch
They have insane aoe yeah
buoyant salmon
ret isnt a big concern with frost dk getting buffed and enhance being as dominant as it is
final birch
Iirc fdk is neutral but