fury

[gray void]

still

i miss frenzied

[regal vector]

is everyone stuck at 2.7k rio or am i just projecting

[arctic sinew]

Some people are stuck at 2731

[obtuse palm]

Yes I am too

[winter shoal]

Powerful better for RA thane, frenzied better for AM thane (based on Fishy's sims)

Idk about slayer

[earnest meteor]

i am stucked at 11 sv

[gray void]

i dont play thane that much

[tired brook]

i have a 12 sv if we’re trying to make a triple fury war party

[gray void]

slayer is just more fun to play

[earnest meteor]

the brick wall

🧱

[gray void]

how to drop the key to +6 simulator

[tired brook]

yo good players what’s the hardest dungeon at high key level in your experience

[earnest meteor]

slayer bis +8 farming

this week

cds everything dies

[regal vector]

probably SV or CoT

[winter shoal]

SV kinda demonic tbh

[tired brook]

my tank got hit by webs twice and fucking died in the 11 cot yesterday

would have 2 timed it without his shenanigans

[regal vector]

Time a 11, brick a 12, time a 11, brick a 12..... the cycle continues

[modest condor]

why dont you just time the 12

[regal vector]

dang i didnt think of that

ill give it a shot

[modest condor]

good luck!

[earnest meteor]

just hit raging blow harder

new buff just dropped in anniversary

exp buff to reroll

[tidal kindle]

Insane marketing tactic

Nuke warrior, OP buff dk/sham/mage

Sell char boosts w/ xp buff

[kindred swallow]

i have the same problem but with 6 and 7s lol

time a 6 brick a 7

[earnest meteor]

• wow tokens for gear

[tired brook]

swiping rn

[earnest meteor]

they should buff balls range on treacherous

so cringe

i walked 3 times inside of it

[fickle bluff]

well if you got the plate you need to soak it and get 4 stacks

the orb is instant

[earnest meteor]

watcing the orb flying out of bounds is so nice

[grim prism]

but why is it called fury and not furies

arms get arms

[hazy holly]

are there any weapons or trinkets in the raid that will be BiS for fury?

[lethal onyx]

'nuke' 😂 a nuke would be 10% or more flat DPS loss.

Peak overreaction.

[eternal sundial]

Anyone remember the S4 SL enha nuke

50% enha nuke

[radiant plank]

Should do it again

after this coming reset

[lethal onyx]

Like if any class gets nerfed people lose their minds.

Honestly I feel no class or spec should get nerfs, weaker classes and specs should be buffed to be more in line with the stronger ones.

[calm quartz]

https://x.com/maximum/status/1847079110847119367/photo/1

Liquid | Maximum (@maximum) on X

made a tierlist on stream of the state of current class design, had to take down the vod cuz of copyright but look out for it on youtube soon

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 12:55 AM

[warm crag]

arms in A tier design wise instantly invalidates the entire list sorry

[calm quartz]

Arms in A for class design he has to be trolling

[oblique trail]

If you do this then content becomes irrelevant way quicker than it already does through gear alone

[lethal onyx]

WTF does beans even mean

[radiant plank]

Man I love Arms design so much its so well designed spec I love channeling and channeling and my main damage button being worthless damage being behind eight hundred modifiers that make the button worth pressing

[eternal sundial]

Man I love Arms design so much its so well designed spec I love channeling and channeling and my main damage button being worthless damage being behind eight hundred modifiers that make the button worth pressing

[hybrid snow]

Yup

[oblique trail]

Buffing everything up to the same level as the highest performers is not healthy for the game

[lethal onyx]

Yes however repeated nerfs to any class are enjoyable by none.

[oblique trail]

I agree

[earnest meteor]

Man I love Arms design so much its so well designed spec I love channeling and channeling and my main damage button being worthless damage being behind eight hundred modifiers that make the button worth pressing

[oblique trail]

But that's why you can tune stuff both up and down

[lethal onyx]

Man I love Arms design so much its so well designed spec I love channeling and channeling and my main damage button being worthless damage being behind eight hundred modifiers that make the button worth pressing

[oblique trail]

Nerf the outliers in the areas they're clearly too strong in, while buffing the underperforming specs where they need it

Though this is an ideal scenario, it's rarely what happens

[lethal onyx]

Tbh fury is a lot of fun, coming from ret and BM Hunter. I tried frost DK but found the runes and runic power management with strength pillar timing to be too much for me

[hybrid snow]

A lot of dead time.

Fury better

They can make it better though

[normal bane]

their tuning this tier has just been terrible

more than usual

[tulip swallow]

frost dk buffed

[calm quartz]

What was buffed about it

Just the hero talent changes?

[tulip swallow]

The deathbringer changes, yeah

[calm quartz]

Just what enh and fdk needed

They were really falling behind

[normal bane]

i mean i wouldn't want to be enh right now tbh

they are going to be incredibly broken, like beyond broken

and in thoery, taken out back

[tulip swallow]

Damage differences between some hero talents in the same spec are higher than the damage differences between the whole game in some prior tiers

[normal bane]

paired with changes

so double nerfs

[eternal sundial]

Prebuff colo and slayer

Or thane and slayer

[rigid stirrup]

Anyone making hard swap to dragon next week?

[tulip swallow]

Stoneform just better if you're going to be a meta lord about things

[tidal kindle]

P sure fury has gotten close to 7% in nerfs across the 5x in a row they've been hit with, then when you factor in the buffs to overperformers (and everyone else) - it's effectively an indirect nerf

• arms collateral nerfs

But more importantly.... it was setup for a joke

[gusty hazel]

So..
Sacbrood at 626 vs 626 Mandate and 639 mark.
AOE 5 bosses says Mark/Sacbrood
1 boss says Mark/Mandate.

M+ any hot takes before my teammates scream at me ;^)

[oblique trail]

Why would they scream at you

[gusty hazel]

because they want it and are jelly

:^)

[warm crag]

idk i did a key with banezi and he screamed at me

[oblique trail]

Want what

Sac?

[tulip swallow]

Mandate doesn't scale in aoe, it's all how much you believe in the prio damage

[gusty hazel]

sacbrood

[warm crag]

he said stuff like "dont dismount on dawnbreaker!"

[tidal kindle]

Being balanced around your best case scenario and having other cases being just shot down as collateral isn't fun for anyone

[warm crag]

the warbringer nerf will shoot our best case scenario and therefore give our design more room to breathe

[oblique trail]

Idk you can always farm another Sacbrood so I don't see what the issue is honestly

[tidal kindle]

TRUE

[chilly fractal]

Mandate is fun in Mists or when we have that shitty affix with the add

[oblique trail]

But any combo of Mark + Sac or Mandate is good

[tidal kindle]

Mb I was wrongfully yapping spongerman

[warm crag]

i'd personally drop the mandate its cringe in m+

[queen linden]

How we looking on brood prog boys? Think we can pull off a sub 150 brood kill at this rate?

[oblique trail]

Sure

[warm crag]

bring it out in late season when stuff physically can't die without mandate

[oblique trail]

Force people to stop greeding and just prio breaking eggs

And prio interrupts

[tidal kindle]

Dude this tree

Is just so broken

Wtf

[oblique trail]

It's very broken yes

[tulip swallow]

yeah

[modest condor]

bring mandate to stonevault just for the skarmorak tech

[tulip swallow]

Slayer needs nerf though 🙃

[oblique trail]

I think if you can be bothered to use 2x on-use

[queen linden]

Wall for us was the 2nd area first egg break. Need to redo our CDs for that window

[oblique trail]

Then Treach/Mark or whatever + Mandate is the go for M+

But I am also not an M+ pusher so my opinion doesn't mean anything :)

[warm crag]

how well does dracthyr sim btw compared to other races

[oblique trail]

It's -50% dps for you

[winter shoal]

Surely this is engagement bait right? No way two rogues specs in S, arms in A

[tidal kindle]

Bro Transmitter is bad for my brain

[winter shoal]

Badly IIRC

[oblique trail]

noober

[warm crag]

noob

[tidal kindle]

Nerf was picking up a stray orb

Which shouldn't ahve spawned

My headass just sees

":CIRCLE"

"STEP"

💣

[warm crag]

Bumm!

[oblique trail]

Should've shrimply spawned it better

[tidal kindle]

Fatfingered during intermission

[oblique trail]

Treach can be a bit awkward depending on what you get on Court and when

[obtuse ether]

why is like 20% of fury's dps packed into this single unexplained word in a choice node, like, how is a new player supposed to figure out this is needed for their damage?

[tidal kindle]

[oblique trail]

A completely new person wouldn't know anything regarding whats good or bad, that's what guides are for

[tulip swallow]

Blizzard doesn't do good tooltips

[grim prism]

you got a point tbh, maybe a nerf to warbringer may help with that

[warm crag]

die warbringer

ruined warrior completely

[oblique trail]

I honestly think current RA wording is a lot better than it used to be

[winter shoal]

something something "generates -10 rage"

[oblique trail]

Where it looked like Reck would give you empowered BT/RB

[warm crag]

i think CB should charge you

[eternal sundial]

@warm crag did you like the venjent album

[modest condor]

i think i should charge you

[warm crag]

didnt listen to it too much yet

[oblique trail]

Bring back CB charge..

[warm crag]

😳

[weary sail]

I think CB and Bloodthirst should have 100% crit and have 50% chance to proc avatar which would then proc odyn fury which could have a chance to proc bladestorm which then autocast bloodthirst and then it would enrage you and then automatically cast rampage and execute in the same time since execute is off the GCD and then thunderous roa…

Thanks Max

[earnest meteor]

uncapped

[winter shoal]

Fan of longswords would go crazy though ngl

[weary sail]

After all this, sims says we still 5% behind FDK

[loud crown]

How much haste do we want as Thane? Aim for 30% and then mastery?

[warm crag]

nah just sim your character

dont aim for vague stat %

[earnest meteor]

i already geared my frost now gearing my mage

i cant lose

[somber elk]

you guys think slayer in keys is dead after patch?

[weary sail]

If you play every single DPS class, you cant lose

[lethal onyx]

For me it is when you mess up pillars by not have the proper runic power or runes in frost and then you do dumpster DPS for the next 45 seconds.

Fury is so much more fun.

[tawdry meteor]

Hopefully not. Prayge. I dont like thane at all

[earnest meteor]

Thaning

[lethal onyx]

A lot easier to manage and I like how simple it is. Hit blood thirst to make rampage do more damage.

Unlike frost if I mess up and don't do that, I am not doing like 40% less damage. Also with stuff being so short cd for single Target if I mess up my rotation a bit I do not slam the breaks on my DPS and it is easy to course correct it by waiting a second or two.

[lethal onyx]

I love Thane for delves. Thunda dwarf! ⚡

[tawdry meteor]

thats respectable. but I really like the playstyle and theme of slayer overall

[pearl crypt]

Ye but having abyssmal haste on fury inflicts severe suicidal tendencies on an individual

[jovial coral]

Well you are not new and you dont...

nvm

[pearl crypt]

Perchance but maybe it can work with AM?

[lethal onyx]

Would be cool if the specs would change how abilities looked. Like if Thane made bladestorm shoot Arch's of electricity.

And slayer made red phantom blades strike the nearby enemies.

[wanton grove]

Please tell me someone rotation 😞

[lethal onyx]

Go on wowhead it's pretty simple. There is rotation when you use CDs and then rotation for CDs on cd.

[ornate gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vluXqu3kaAQ This guy is trolling !

[calm quartz]

Such a shit channel

Are there any not garbage wow youtubers?

[willow hazel]

Liquid Max and Preach are solid choices IMO

[calm quartz]

Preach xdd

[brittle crow]

max is a funny man with funny opinions sometimes

[chilly fractal]

There is only 1 WoW YouTube series that I must watch

The Waffle Cat weekly

Gotta see them vaults

[orchid dagger]

Bajheera is good, but pve players will hate him

[eternal sundial]

Hunter pets too

Very funny

Watch pilav guys

True warrior

[chilly fractal]

OneAzeroth is pretty enjoyable to watch if anything just to watch all the disbands he goes through in a season since he just pugs

[honest sundial]

tldr?

[orchid dagger]

Coping

[thick fossil]

Yes, cause he's using SMF by that mog.

[oblique trail]

Those are 2handers

[thick fossil]

Damn they look tiny.

[eternal sundial]

Arent they the nzoth zone drop

2hs

[honest sundial]

I hope blizzard doesn't listen to these kind of videos

[jovial coral]

||2 hand this :pantsgrab:||

[oblique trail]

1 finger is enough

[jovial coral]

erm what the sigma

[thick fossil]

[frail trout]

I don't expect it to happen anytime soon but I would think fury is due for a redesign or massive tuning change at some point, blizzard has basically indicated that they don't like the current full tilt design of our aoe burst

[thick fossil]

@ornate gust Is that your video, are you Marcelian?

[frail trout]

Might not even happen in this expansion tbh but they've made it clear they aren't a fan of how it's working

[clever belfry]

L

michael "mr gaming" preach is the goat

[honest sundial]

Not like THEY made it burst spec
Then they nerfed the burst xddd

[warm crag]

michael preacher

[ornate gust]

hell no

[thick fossil]

lol, ok. Well, his video is 4 days old and already out of date.

[covert void]

We have undergone massive tuning. It's called 4 nerfs in a row lul.

[thick fossil]

This video makes my skin crawl playing fury.

[frail trout]

The tuning didn't actually change the outcome of what fury is though

It's still a 45 second add deleter spec with little boss damage

The design is the same

I don't think blizzard likes this design

[covert void]

I didnt say your rework part, i said the massive tuning part. They've tuned us from being very good to underpar.

thane is fun, slayer is fun, a shame they're just meh.

[frail trout]

Thane is fun for sure I like tclap

Thane tclap doesn't feel like a weak ability I'm pressing because other buttons aren't up

It feels good to press

[fickle bluff]

i was up at 8am with him doing my world quest sweeps watching the stream on bfa launch

those were the times man

those were the times

[clever belfry]

he is just the goat

most real guy

[fickle bluff]

ghost o7

[serene vessel]

his tier list had to be rage bait, right?

[modest condor]

building engagement

[serene vessel]

so ragebait ya

he said frost mage was A tier for feel, yet this is the rotation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762137668875714562/1294086449943154730/icelance-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[smoky vale]

thats badass

dont you love playing minimal ice lance flurry

or a word i cant type here

🙂

[serene vessel]

wait u actually cant

LMAO

i love minimal ice lance flurry

[mossy fox]

is it actually called minimal ice lance flurry in game

[wheat estuary]

Idk how you can nerf fury and leave fdk as is

That’s legitimately wild

[smoky vale]

nah but its what its abbreviated as in the mage discord

I LOVE MINIMAL ICE LANCE FLURRY

[hybrid snow]

and what u do if u dont have enough runes or runic power? u just get dead time. it's garbage imo

[mossy fox]

i saw fury burst more than fdk in m+ so prolly just nerf fury

[modest condor]

real

[smoky vale]

true

fury is broken

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[smoky vale]

best melee

[vagrant dagger]

is that okay

[wheat estuary]

I burst higher on my ret than my warrior now every 30sec instead of 1.5 min lmao

[serene vessel]

man fellas im sad, how come i rolled off fury to play fire mage

and now both are in the gutters

what do i play

[modest condor]

arcane

[mossy fox]

join dk side

[serene vessel]

gross

[modest condor]

you already made a mage

[serene vessel]

fire is the only fun mage spec

[modest condor]

what does it matter

[serene vessel]

its the melee of mages

[mossy fox]

what do the pala changes mean for aoe btw

[radiant plank]

idk bolas said big dam

[mossy fox]

they keep talking about -3% ST but nobody is talking aoe

[south kayak]

means you're getting beat up

by qrva

[oblique trail]

Think it was a gain on AoE

[serene vessel]

LMAO

[radiant plank]

(i do not trust ret tc's)

[mossy fox]

i mean thats nothing new

[serene vessel]

if its a gain on AoE i actually refuse to believe they aren't using AI for balancing

[south kayak]

[wind torrent]

Would be sick if AI took over balance tuning

[wheat estuary]

I mean AI would probably do better

Yeah lmao

AI is sick

[serene vessel]

AI is trash

[oblique trail]

I am also likely just spreading misinformation as I don't care enough to have double checked the gain for a spec that, even with nerfs, is likely better than us

[fickle cedar]

wait they didnt touch fdk ?

[serene vessel]

they buffed fdk

[polar roost]

I better start a professional herbalism career

[fickle cedar]

insane

[serene vessel]

i heard fdk is really boring is that true? Like a 2 button rotation?

[smoky vale]

@serene vessel sorry i was wrong its Minimal Ice Lance Frost

Still the abbreviation 🙂

[serene vessel]

thats also not the current frost build I think

[smoky vale]

maybe

[south kayak]

LMAo frost and cursed rotations lmao

[smoky vale]

but in the mage discord they keep asking if they are back ot mil frost

[south kayak]

just buff ice lance

[earnest meteor]

wake me up when fury good again

[smoky vale]

never

[serene vessel]

no no its already too good

[smoky vale]

[south kayak]

Not in .5

[smoky vale]

thats the problem

[south kayak]

That's why minimal ice lance is a thing in .5

because they removed the ice lance spam

[mossy fox]

yeah man

[south kayak]

Splinterstorm has the splinters giving you winters chill a lot more than usual

that's why you spam ice lance

[smoky vale]

mage talk

[south kayak]

but they're removing splinterstorm giving winter's chill

[smoky vale]

[south kayak]

because of the ice lance spam

[smoky vale]

(arcane enjoyer)

[serene vessel]

[south kayak]

personally i don't think it's boring

[serene vessel]

i do not enjoy rotations that are overly simplified

[mossy fox]

but those 2 buttons turn in to 50 different damage sources on details so it looks like you're doing things

[serene vessel]

lmao

[mossy fox]

that's peak

[smoky vale]

okay but imagine if arms

had 30 procs off of ms

[serene vessel]

Even fire is a little simplified rn for my taste, but it makes up for it by just feeling super smooth

[smoky vale]

inflate details

[serene vessel]

and giving a lot of dopamine procs

maybe i just stay fire and then accept the fact that my spec sucks 🙂

this is my favorite part of the new patch though. They've fucked it up so badly you will run out of mana and be unable to cast

[tidal kindle]

Gain on AoE

That's why no ones talking about it

Banezi — Today at 11:56 AM
I am also likely just spreading misinformation as I don't care enough to have double checked the gain for a spec that, even with nerfs, is likely better than us
(me too)

[coarse nest]

Banezi — Today at 11:56 AM
I am also likely just spreading misinformation as I don't care enough to have double checked the gain for a spec that, even with nerfs, is likely better than us
(me too)

[mellow bloom]

sv hardest key in randoom pugs

[serene vessel]

Wait there's apparently a new bug with enh shammy btw

Game breaking too

Can apparently hit the damage cap w/ 1 ability

Sick

[hasty tide]

It is pretty crazy the disparity on damage on some classes right now in the context of m+

I'm curious what the mindset of the devs is for balancing it (if they care at all)

[serene vessel]

It's not just m+. Balance as a whole is just bad

[mellow bloom]

still gathering data

[hasty tide]

I only m+ so can't really speak on those formats

I'm fine with a "meta" existing, would just be nice to get some communication from blizz what their intended outcome is for this type of balancing (or lack thereof)

[low folio]

guaranteed intent from blizzard is mage will be meta

[mellow bloom]

deleting aug when

[low folio]

aug helps make mage meta, not allowed

[mellow bloom]

sorry

[south kayak]

Guarantee no one here would be talking about how other classes are op if we were in a good place

lol

[smoky vale]

idk

people always complain

[olive wraith]

I don’t understand why ret gets aura buff

[south kayak]

because their class tree rework made them worse

not saying they should have gotten buffs but that's the reason

[tame yarrow]

Arcane getting this huge buffs is insane

They are almost on top of logs

[south kayak]

What buffs?

[humble plover]

They got what we call compensation for other changes they made. A practice they forgot on us

[south kayak]

[woeful birch]

Man i played my 603 templar ret after finishing my 8x 10s on war. Ngl ret is so much fun. Wings every 30sec. Slapping like a truck on every pack in a key. Not giving a fuck about melee range bc every ability hast 20 or 30 yards range. Sending CDs with bubble and dont give af about agro or mechanics. What a life as ret...

[chrome canyon]

Hello guys, for someone @ 620ilvl, are my stats okay for a Fury warrior ? I feel like i'm lacking dps and i'm trying to check if it's something stat related first (like, too much crit maybe ?)

[narrow narwhal]

Whatever your sim tells you

[eternal sundial]

Use what sims best

[chrome canyon]

Thanks ! Just realized that "Stat Weight" was a thing on Raidbots v_v

[oblique trail]

Forget that stat weights exist

Don't use them

Just do top gear sims for stats/general gearing

[narrow narwhal]

Don't use stat weights plz no

[drifting pulsar]

Hey all. Random question. Is this legit or should I just simply re-roll ?

[narrow narwhal]

You should run your own key

[drifting pulsar]

getting the same ngl

[narrow narwhal]

Cope

[humble plover]

Nah that's also bad. Reroll

[drifting pulsar]

not even on the slightest

[narrow narwhal]

Cope

[tidal kindle]

That happens to my augvoker too so

That's just life unless mage/dk/enh (current fotm)

And when fotm changes again

Same treatment

[humble plover]

You reroll too garms

[tidal kindle]

(Mage is always fotm)

I'm l2p dk/voke in case warrior is getting same treatment next tier

[south kayak]

I got into a 7 key with enha who hasn't done that key on that char

[humble plover]

My cope is if windwalker starts cooking I can play that

[south kayak]

I am 2.4k on main so that's probably why tho

[tidal kindle]

I want to play warrior but having it get spam nerfed by out of touch devs when mage/dk/sham/ret run around like this without getting touched - and in some cases even getting buffed

Why bother hurting myself

[drifting pulsar]

I am 2.5k with 623 IL.. I apply on +7 for crest and still get declined

[south kayak]

so true

[fickle cedar]

yeah its kinda insane how fdk is getting no nerfs, they destroy in any type of pve content

[restive peak]

^

This is where I'm getting to

[narrow narwhal]

There's 50 other DPS applying to that same key

[humble plover]

You guys are missing the point. They have to tune us around the least consumed content in the game that we happen to be okay at

[restive peak]

The biggest issue is that the current FDK/Enh tuning is basically godcomp levels, and it's getting worse Tues

[south kayak]

If you can't beat em, join em

[hasty tide]

I'm too dumb to learn another class

Just gonna go prot

[fickle cedar]

true ones stay zugging

[humble plover]

No

[south kayak]

zug on dn

[humble plover]

What's dn

[hasty tide]

Deez nuts

[humble plover]

I don't get it

[normal bane]

blizzard doesn't really care about m+, but dk and everything is even op in raid so it's wild how they've dodged

ppl thought since beta dk was going to get nuked

but the only things that got nuked from beta were diabolist lock and fire mage

[vague copper]

I just fixed Thane.... Lightning as ligtning right?

[humble plover]

Huge tech

[mellow bloom]

ye with a 610 ret you outdps some classes in overall with 620+ gear. its kinda dumb

[hasty tide]

Curious why you don't see more rets on the high end of keys

The damage is there and have a competent toolkit

Guess dk/enhance are just that good

[humble plover]

Yuup

[vague copper]

The fun part is... go to 5 target and spam only chainlightning nothing ells and you hit 2m and that in gear opted for enhancement and 610 ilvl

[hasty tide]

Honestly, even not being meta would be nice to have the damage profile of ret as warrior right now

[alpine haven]

DK enhance is just bettrt

In every way

[hasty tide]

Dk toolkit is cracked for keys too

Tanky, grips for positioning/stops, blinding sleet

[fickle cedar]

are the ret changes buffs or nerfs ?

[hasty tide]

Yes

[kindred hearth]

This is standard operating tbh

[alpine haven]

nerfs to damage

buff to utility/healing

[fickle cedar]

i see, i suppose the 6% is to stabilize it

[gilded pawn]

Yeah

6% makes it neutral or net buff

Lemme look

[hasty tide]

Maybe people just feel bad for me but haven't had any trouble getting into pug keys lately

[alpine haven]

Its a nerf in total

by 3%

[hasty tide]

Like people being nice to the sick kid in class

[alpine haven]

But yeah utility/healing being buffed is neat

since our class tree is ass

[fickle cedar]

and what about enhancement ?

[alpine haven]

Megabuffs from what I understand

if left in the state it is

[fickle cedar]

damn

[alpine haven]

But I could be wrong, dont keep up with enhance

[hasty tide]

Does enhance still have that calculus level rotation ?

[south kayak]

no

[buoyant salmon]

whack a mole rotation

[serene vessel]

enh has a fun bug coming live tho so thats cool, i wonder if guilds will abuse it or if they'll fix it

i dont know how to recreate it, but you can make ur wolves not expire and they're a multiplicative increase on your elemental blast. You get dangerously close to the max possible integer a damage spell can cast in WoW

[south kayak]

if not then they'll nuke it fast

so why bother

[subtle needle]

Wait so people are causing Tuesday a nerf for warrior?

It looks like a buff to me 🤔

[serene vessel]

because im a big fan of spreading paranoia to get classes nerfed because of bugs

happened to my favorite spec, others should suffer too

[hasty tide]

Buff to ST, nerf to aoe. We are an aoe dps class so overall slight nerf

[humble plover]

Target caps and buffs to abilities you rarely use as slayer. Very small increase if you even wanna call it that

[verbal rivet]

You know it’s bad when Shadow priest is better then your class

[humble plover]

Am thane looks slightly better but it's still not as good as RA

Basically ovinax stonks are huge but like otherwise nothing changes

[hasty tide]

Would be nice to see rampage get a buff

Nerfing our aoe isn't necessarily bad if they compensated properly with ST

But buffing BT & RB only is super dumb

Considering how low of our total damage they make up to begin with

[sterile heart]

is there a WA for tracking fury's 4 pieces set bonus?

[warm crag]

wouldnt play thane on ovinax unless you have a way to deal with root consistently

[warm crag]

you can just make one but theres literally no reason to track it

[verbal rivet]

They want to make our burst less consistent on timing. It’s why they buffed AM not RA

[warm crag]

read: you are a dwarf

[humble plover]

Yeah. But slayer still uses am on it so that'll be nice. Can't see use for the changes anywhere else

[sterile heart]

why tho?

[hasty tide]

Trying to fix the timing of cds rather than the overall output of a fight is such short sighted tuning imo

[warm crag]

it doesnt affect our playstyle

[verbal rivet]

If they don’t, they can’t make any fight with 45 sec add spawns in a raid. And 1m affects more classes then 45s does

Frost having pillar every add spawn is the same issue

[hasty tide]

My tin foil hat is that they just don't have many people assigned to class tuning from a developmental standpoint

Probably a few people handling all specs/builds for all classes

Which leads to what we got

[weary sail]

Considering theres like 39 specs and 30 hero talents, balance isnt that bad

[oblique trail]

It's pretty bad

[verbal rivet]

O_o

Have you seen a Druid not named “Raidneedsmark” in a group?

I’m mostly exaggerating but a lot of talents are just straight up awful and not being played anywhere, And some specs aren’t seeing any play outside of brought for raid buffs.

[weary sail]

So thats every tier since the beginning of time

[verbal rivet]

No?

[weary sail]

In classic the meta comp was bringing 25 dps fury warrior

[tidal kindle]

Not true, during one of my more unhinged moments I checked to see how bad spec balance was from tier to tier

Around the 3rd fury nerf

We are approaching the 5th

[weary sail]

In legion and wod they stack like 6 rogues and 5 balance druids for raid

[tidal kindle]

4th*

[verbal rivet]

My guy. In actual classic every class got played

[weary sail]

My guy. In retail every class got played

Your point?

[verbal rivet]

You’re cooked if you think this is a healthy balance.

[humble plover]

Only reason we don't class stack is raid buffs lmao

[hasty tide]

Someone has to give the fdk battleshout

[verbal rivet]

And if you look at RWF. They still stacked the good DPS units

2 DK on every fight with no class buff. Aight

[weary sail]

Look at this insane class stacking back in legion

[oblique trail]

Just because it's been bad before doesn't mean it isn't bad now

[verbal rivet]

Not even the good legion raid smh

[tidal kindle]

Whoa class stacking

Crazy!

[radiant plank]

Nerf evoker

[verbal rivet]

They did lmao

[tidal kindle]

Synonyms for crazy: insane

Checks out

[south kayak]

Sus boomie

[tidal kindle]

Class stacking now is going to be more diluted simply due to raid buffs

And evoker existing

[verbal rivet]

That’s a bear

[south kayak]

no there's a warrior called Boomie

[verbal rivet]

Honestly valid

[oblique trail]

Hope he presses enraged regen in 0.2 seconds

He even has BS ready so it's swifty one live

[humble plover]

I'm just holding out hope that they listen to something that crit says in a video about warrior while he's slamming 3mil DPS overall in a key on his DK in the background

[sudden thicket]

crit still doing 3mil DPS? better nerf warriors again - devs probably

[short cobalt]

is it better to reck/avatar then thunder blast then dragon roar or just roar first then thudner blast?

[humble plover]

*on his DK

[sudden thicket]

yeah that's the joke

[humble plover]

Oh. Get rid of "still" makes it seem like his warrior

That's said, Crit doing 3 million DPS on a different class is definitely grounds to nerf fury again

[eager thorn]

Just pretend there aren’t any nerfs then there won’t be any

[coarse nest]

So true warrior friend, so true…

[vernal mantle]

thought warr players were alpha and didnt care for no nerfs

[tidal kindle]

That's how you keep getting nerfs

"They don't care, we can do w.e we want"

[fickle cedar]

are people actually doing the ring exploit

[young swan]

why wouldnt they hello

[fickle cedar]

disclaimer i havent done it*

i dont know if its been fixed but you craft a 636 ring you equip it on both slots, recraft it and equip it again on both slots so now you can upgrade both ring slots for only 90 gilded

[young swan]

blizzard wants to fuck crest budget and leave a way to cheat it in

it still works

[fickle cedar]

really, wtf bliz

[young swan]

not exactly game breaking

not like rings have main stat

[fickle cedar]

yeah but i suppose its not intended, you do save some crests after all

[still nebula]

I mean I feel like reverting something like that weeks into the expansion is a bit too late

[eager thorn]

Not really

Never too late to fix stuff

Its kinda well known and not a massive impact, no real downside to patching it a month late

[still nebula]

Kind of encourages the “exploit early, exploit often” what are you going to do, refund everyone who upgraded legitimately crests, or ban the players who abused? Why do that when the 3rd alternative is just “hey players who look this up can do it now too”

the other two options just harm people

[humble plover]

I'm going to spend my crests poorly and be behind everyone else like a true casual

[eager thorn]

You dont need to refund it or ban anyone

If ppl wanna exploit and risk bans they can

[fickle bluff]

i know somewhere else more important it also works 👀

[still nebula]

if you don’t do that, it just reinforces that you should exploit

[eager thorn]

I disagree

[fickle cedar]

trinkets i presume

[still nebula]

ok

[eager thorn]

Weapons

[young swan]

prob weapons

[fickle cedar]

oh

[fickle bluff]

yeah

[fickle cedar]

well, yeah

[fickle bluff]

not usable for fury though

since its 2h anyway

[fickle cedar]

yeah, we get it for free after the craft anyway

[eager thorn]

Just because one bug gets changed/fixed i dont really see that as promoting ppl to exploit

[fickle cedar]

i just feel like they should be clearer about it

[still nebula]

If you do not ban the people, whom already did it, they got to avoid spending 70-90 crests upgrading a myth track or even lower weapon

Which would mean exploiting benefit them… hence reinforcing that you should exploit

The best option is to just.. leave it, and let players do it

[eager thorn]

Something benefitting you doesnt mean its being reinforced

[humble plover]

Doesn't the ring cheese only really matter if you have a myth track ring? Like it does nothing for me and my hero track and normal Queen ring

[restive granite]

i wish they transferred spell reflect and heroic leap from warrior to paladin

[eager thorn]

Long term ye

[still nebula]

rewarding people with gear and 0 punishment for abusing something is literally reinforcing 💀

especially if you screw over people who haven’t done it

[eager thorn]

They’re not rewarding anyone

And they’re not screwing over ppl

Ur acting like blizz themselves are doing it so ppl can get ahead

[still nebula]

no? this is under the impression they change it

They should just not touch it

Changing it now lets people whom did it benefit, and screws over peoples alts/people whom are late to catch up even further

[eager thorn]

“They shouldnt fix this bug so people who dont know about it yet can also abuse it” hmmge

[still nebula]

the alternative is to change it and let people fall even further behind? your argument is that they should let them benefit with 0 repercussions and then lock people out of reaping those same benefits

where not changing it… harms no one?

[eager thorn]

I never said no repercussions that was you btw

Id ban for it cos funny

[young swan]

there will be no reprecussions and they will just fix it

[eager thorn]

Its legit just an early bird bonus

You’re not “behind” for not abusing it

You’re just not ahead

[cunning bone]

Isnt it funny warrior fall behind every class and every class getting buf except warrior, it still getting nerfed

[young swan]

yeah its great

[eager thorn]

I love paladins -3% overall dmg buff

[young swan]

im gonna be honest ive kinda stopped caring

[tired brook]

^

[eager thorn]

Ye idk much about balance anyway but it seems too tiring to perma doom about stuff

[young swan]

the buffs and nerfs are irrelevant, just give us new and cool talents

[tired brook]

i just try to enjoy the new talent options available

[fickle cedar]

i do care but honestly there's no spec like fury so I always stay, also clappa

[young swan]

the thing thats insane to me is that the balance team is so out of touch that they've continued to nerf us this many weeks in a row

[eager thorn]

No other spec has heroic leap so i dont want em

[fickle cedar]

yeah i feel like they are stuck looking at heroic logs week 1

[young swan]

dont really care cause it truly doesnt affect raid performance at all

and raid is the only form of content I take seriously

might take m+ seriously if I had a group i could run with

[fickle cedar]

after this patch they are gonna check logs and since rash adds are gonna be back in they'll be happy with the changes

[cunning bone]

Bro its so annoying because ve have nearly got no utility, we have only damage and still we always getting nerf and no change on talent tree but every other class getting buff and new selection of talent tree also this mean they have much option to take utility, damage or survival categories

[young swan]

100% agree, but blizzard has shown time and time again that feedback isnt taken seriously

so whats there left to do but to let the dice fall where they may

[cunning bone]

They are taking warriors to prison man we cant do anything and got no option we just looking and say well i love warrior anyways but i cant do this shit anymore

[eager thorn]

Ur far too doomer

[fickle cedar]

yeah its not the end of the world, chill

[eager thorn]

Warrior is still great in raid

[earnest ermine]

Warrior flavor abilities are peak. Thane also peak

[eager thorn]

Still good in m+

[restive granite]

its decent but its not good compared to other choices, its far bottom if youre going to take a melee

[cunning bone]

i know warrior still good and playable i love it but i hate the warrior haters in developer team

[normal bane]

blizzard does not care about m+

[idle ember]

If you were forming a group why would you take a fury warr over a ret pally (equal gear)?

[restive granite]

id take feral over warrior dps

[radiant plank]

you wouldnt

[restive granite]

mark of the wild and battle res

yes i would

[earnest ermine]

Are they as easy tho? I run outlaw, and I'm mentally drained after a few keys

[eager thorn]

Cope

[cunning bone]

i want to mention that ty

[fickle cedar]

i mean you wouldnt take a feral over a balance/tank druid

[normal bane]

ppl complain so much about keys and pugs

[restive granite]

but i would over a dps warr

[normal bane]

when you list a key, 80 dps join

of course they are going to pick the "best'

[idle ember]

every dungeon looks like thi sfor me with a ret pally in there

[eager thorn]

^

[restive granite]

then arguing that the nerfs and wathever else is coming is not big cause "were good in m+" is just a flat lie

were good compared to what?

[outer rover]

To bm

[normal bane]

man i didn't get invited into this +10 with 2300 io!! meanwhile 70 2600 fdk/shamans/rets are bove you

[tidal kindle]

Play diff class

"Vote with your wallet class choice"

[humble plover]

My other class is ww so maybe raid log angle

[idle ember]

sunken cost fallacy

[cunning bone]

Then dont play WoW also an option bro

[normal bane]

or just suck it up and tank if yo udon't want to class swap for keys

[young swan]

leveling shaman

epic

spam chain lightning

do big dam

epic

[idle ember]

I miss bfa fury

[restive granite]

corruption patch was a good time to play fury

[tidal kindle]

I mean yeah

[normal bane]

corruption sucked absolute ass until there were vendors

[tidal kindle]

If you only enjoy warrior, and the rest of the game/your guild is boring w/o it

Quitting also an option

[normal bane]

lets not pretend it was good

[cunning bone]

i dont complain about overall dps, every class can be decent but we only have burst damage option different from other classes about dmg now we dont have that one too what we have??

[young swan]

i dont

well

[sleek oasis]

are sims weird for anyone else?

[young swan]

i kinda do

EP fury was peak

everything else was mid

[idle ember]

it was peak fun for me

[cunning bone]

No utility, no burst option also no overall dps too only survivability?

[humble plover]

I miss bote but that's it

[young swan]

sucked ass even with the vendor

weekly rotation btw

6 weeks for bis btw

[tidal kindle]

I got max expedient day 1 with the bugged tokens

Had to play DH for next month while everyone caught up

[eager thorn]

I miss vanilla warrior

[near wing]

Have we actually confirmed that the nerf is a nerf to overall dps? Feel like the buffs to specific abilities will be meaningful to stabilizing our aoe damage. Diminishing returns after 5, but increase to some of the single target stuff should be helpful with whirlwind, no?

[hasty tide]

Theory craft > feels craft

[young swan]

#updates-midnight message

[idle ember]

thane will still be on top for m+

[hasty tide]

Maybe, the top dps warrior key was done as slayer

[young swan]

nox just prefers slayer

[near wing]

Yea, overall doesn’t seem that big of a deal, but the one thing we were pretty good at, we won’t be so much

[hasty tide]

They seem pretty interchangeable in keys

[young swan]

in every sense except exclusively ST boss dam, thane is better

[tidal kindle]

Dk/voker

Nice opportunity to not be omega warrior 1 trick

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/turbogun-tobias-wolf-wolfface-turboias-gif-23129433

[hasty tide]

Slayer is still more burst, which can be appealing on certain encounters

[fickle bluff]

slayer has better mobility!

[near wing]

I guess my point is we already do decent damage. And overall we’ll be close to flat. Sucks that we’re not S tier, but I don’t think we’re materially worse off

[midnight obsidian]

bloodthirst was 1.5% of my overall damage in timed +11 dawnbreaker

[tidal kindle]

We're worse off in the sense our "niche" or strong design point

Is weaker

[midnight obsidian]

ravaging blow was 3.5%

[tidal kindle]

Whether or not that's actually objectively worse off overall, tbd with how AM ends up playing out

[near wing]

Yea makes sense

[earnest meteor]

any icon buffs

[hasty tide]

Our worst part of our dps got buffed and one of the best parts of our aoe got worse

[earnest meteor]

[hasty tide]

It feels bad no matter the cope lol

We aren't useless just people are annoyed with nerfs on a non meta classes

[midnight obsidian]

our single target also got nerfed by the 12>10 stack thing too

[gaunt moat]

feeding the dooming Garms!!!

[tidal kindle]

I think that was a measured statement

Am desync/lineups

Will be a factor

[warm crag]

garms i think you need to say that fury is dead and everyone should reroll windwalker

[gaunt moat]

tell them

[hasty tide]

I'm just gonna keep using RA, alot less mental math to pull good damage

[gaunt moat]

and usebug the double things in ranged

[tidal kindle]

If everyone could be as good as dabnel

I'd say that in a heartbeat

Guy owns

[gaunt moat]

so they deal more dmg than every class in the game on ovinax!

[humble plover]

I'm already doing it. I love windwalker

Has to stay an alt tho

[frank dawn]

windwalker is a lot of fun, but tbh I don't feel like it's hardly any different performance wise from Fury. It does at least have utility I guess

[eager thorn]

Every spec but fury sucks

[cunning bone]

Yes i want to tell that to developer team ww or warlocks also dont have damage like dk or rogue but atleast they have utility options

[idle ember]

if you arent rogue ele sham dk or ret gl out there

[south kayak]

Are my eyes decieving me or did i see 40% FoF buff

[frank dawn]

you know...I haven't even looked at the monk portion of the notes

salting too hard on the warrior notes

[molten wing]

Shadow-Pan changes are pretty cool

[south kayak]

fuck warrior

we main other classes now

[eager thorn]

I think the biggest surprise of these nerfs is that a lot of warriors actually can read

[frank dawn]

ayyy

[eager thorn]

Not very ja clappa of you

[molten wing]

its actually one warrior who read them and its from word to mouth ever since

[earnest meteor]

i personaly cannot read so i heard of the terrible news

[ornate gust]

Me too. I will continue playing RA. I even thinking to go back to Slayer in mythic+.. I am not fan of MT build.

[eager thorn]

I’m prob only gonna go am on dungeons where it feels nicer

[frank dawn]

Flurry of Xuen damage increased by 40%

[modern elm]

Ill agree we collectively dont have the ability to comprehend the dk or ret changes, but the amount of attention "enjoyed and/or powerful" specs are gettign is triggering.

[frank dawn]

why would you bait me like this

[south kayak]

oh I thought it was Fists lmao

my bad

[earnest meteor]

Wake me up when fury gets reworked

[ornate gust]

RIP

[hasty tide]

Good night sweet prince

[modern elm]

https://tenor.com/view/come-to-bed-seductive-roses-red-roses-seduce-gif-3640228218985691713

[south kayak]

is flurry of xuen used

[hasty tide]

Only time warrior is meta is when the smart TC's come up with some game breaking interaction blizzard didn't intend and nerf within weeks

[south kayak]

isn't Blackout 20% buff tho

[hasty tide]

A tale as old as time

[earnest meteor]

[normal bane]

some can read but they can't really think

[meager void]

Doom'oclock, as usual

[normal bane]

it's the next step

[frank dawn]

yeh that one is buffed

[south kayak]

I think WW has low aoe capabilities

[opal sapphire]

what the fuck is up with blizzard nerfing furys target count, while DKs can do the most ST and AOE in the game

has it ever been like this

[barren coral]

is SoB the new dead key after NW nerfs?

[restive peak]

COT is probably the worst

And GB

[hasty tide]

I like CoT, but also appreciate it's not a good high key lol

[restive peak]

Ye it's just the last 2 bosses on high keys

[barren coral]

CoT is like 3 expansions outdated as a dungeon

[hasty tide]

It's a "we have court of stars at home" kind of dungeon

[serene vessel]

COT is probably gonna be so much worse with the nerfs to PCT as well

[modest condor]

court of tars

[runic pine]

No but I wish

[restive peak]

More like Court of Tears amiright

[meager void]

Thatis the least of the problem with the tunning. But it SOUNDS bad so dooom dooom.

[runic pine]

Honestly I wish they'd just unnerf SCK 😦

[eager thorn]

SoB is easy key

[serene vessel]

I can't imagine healing COT without pct actually

Not sure what they're gonna do

[restive peak]

It's gonna suck thats for sure

IDK I do a lot of my keys w fdk/frost mage/fury/discp/prot pala

So doesn't matter to me

But COT is the worst

[south kayak]

Something happened to the 3rd CoT boss

[opal sapphire]

i was hoping the st buff could be good. thing is, Im a backupwarr for the raid atm and with all the changes to all the specs and current numbers, why even bring a warr at this point

[south kayak]

his aoe shit is insane

[eager thorn]

Because warriors are great in raid

[serene vessel]

I hope your mage likes arcane

[runic pine]

because warrior is good?

despite it not necessarily looking like it on logs

[meager void]

Exactly. The m+ is the problem atm but its not nearly as bad as people put it

[serene vessel]

anyway guys why is arcane mage getting a 9-15% buff?

[barren coral]

they need it

[warm crag]

they need it

[runic pine]

there's more to performance besides log numbers

[opal sapphire]

eh, like what exactly?

[runic pine]

damage profiles are very important

[eager thorn]

The arcanes ive had in my keys definitely need it

[runic pine]

damage profiles

[opal sapphire]

u have a dk doing all the same, but better..

[restive peak]

We haven't hit a dmg wall yet so nbd

[runic pine]

no you don't

fury has insane instant burst rn

[meager void]

Meh

[opal sapphire]

meh

so does dk

[runic pine]

extremely good on shit like queen

[eager thorn]

Wouldnt say dks is insane burst

[runic pine]

or nippletwister

[restive peak]

I'm usually the positivity guy, we are bad in 11.0.5

You can twist it all you want

[opal sapphire]

yea

[meager void]

Another doomer blaming blizz for their terrible performance

[restive peak]

We are bad comparatively and that's just the truth, but we're also still viable

[opal sapphire]

not really, im just kind of annoyed with the priority they seem to have

[runic pine]

I mean fuck it

go play ret

[opal sapphire]

fury was doing a lot of aoe and st, nerfing was on point

[runic pine]

if you don't feel like warrior is worth

[opal sapphire]

but you have dks doing the same, not getting touched

thats all 😄

[restive peak]

I'll just maintain title range on warr and do my actual limit test pushes as DK

[runic pine]

ret is better than dk

at least in raid

[opal sapphire]

i mean, i didnt want to hurt anyones feelings or start a toxic argument

[restive peak]

But pretending it's somehow not a valid reaction to be upset that we're getting nerfed over and over while classes above us get compensation buffs, or just straight buffs, doesn't make you cool or smart or any of the above

[opal sapphire]

thank u

[restive peak]

I mean for raid we're still fine, IDK why you'd reroll for raid

[normal bane]

most warrior players can barely read, lets not have them try to think for themselves

come on now

[restive peak]

For PVP we're mid at best, and for M+ we're very behind the equivalent class/specs that do the job we do

[runic pine]

could be worse

[idle ember]

pvp

[runic pine]

you could be monk

[opal sapphire]

m+ I just prot it out, so thats whatevs I guess for me

[normal bane]

saying warrior is "fine" in raid

is a massive understatement

[restive peak]

I mean Max openly said even pre-nerf is Trill wasn't doing AWC, he would've benched 1 of the warrs for him lol

[idle ember]

is learning how to use a route tool in m+ as tank hard?

[meager void]

The problem for me is people like this Dareals showing clear lack of in-depth knowledge yet comfortably blames blizz for lackluster personal performance

[restive peak]

We are not good in raid, we are fine, if you believe we're "good" or "great" I have a bridge to sell you

[normal bane]

max takes are historically all sane and good

[restive peak]

I didn't see any of that

[opal sapphire]

you are looking into it the wrong way tbh, but thats fine

if you wanna be hurt personally, Im sorry, wasnt my intention

[restive peak]

Max is definitely more intelligent than you about decision making on class power relative to the highest level, yeah. If that offends you, idk how to even help you.

[verbal rivet]

We are good at killing adds. We catch every bench on Kyveza. Doesn’t mean we are good in raids.

[dapper goblet]

warrior fuck good in raid

[normal bane]

max things ww was the best class in the game on ansurek

doesn't make it true!

[meager void]

They look at wcl weekly data and feel ok abot doing shit dps.

[humble plover]

Eww blue man

[restive peak]

He didn't say that, he said he would've run Trill on WW > a 2nd fury if he had full opportunity, he didn't say he'd replace warr completely

[runic pine]

WW is just nice because they lose basically no ST for AoE picks

[normal bane]

fury is the absolute best at what they get brough for and it's not even close

[verbal rivet]

And can TL the DKS out of mechanics

[hasty tide]

Battle shout?

[normal bane]

its not even like their boss damage on ansurek is bad with the few public logs out there

[idle ember]

fury best at pressing rallying cry

[humble plover]

I wish people would stop focusing on raid performance like it's the only aspect of the game

[normal bane]

no one cares about keys

and if you do re roll or play prot

blizz certaintly doesn't

[humble plover]

No. YOU don't care

[restive peak]

More people care about keys than raid, by the way

[opal sapphire]

lmao

what an argument

[hasty tide]

Nobody is saying fury is bad, we are saying we are below average and getting nerfs while the meta specs aren't getting nerfed and some cases getting buffs lol

[verbal rivet]

Once Raid is on farm raid is irrelevant

[opal sapphire]

yea Im getting brain damage. I legit just asked why fury is getting nerfed while u have dks doing what they dop

[hasty tide]

Just a feels bad situation

[normal bane]

fdk was literally never good in keys and ppl are crying about them being op, meta will change all the time get over it

[opal sapphire]

have a nice evening fellas, not doing this again!

[restive peak]

Oh you're an FDK, explains it

[normal bane]

i'm not

[restive peak]

I love this logic

[normal bane]

but ok

[covert blaze]

well depends on your progress

[humble plover]

Nobody hasn't answer for that question. We're all wondering the same thing

[restive peak]

"I DESERVE TO BE BUSTEDD REEEEE"

[runic pine]

that's patently false

[hasty tide]

Like unholy hasn't been meta in keys several times lol

[restive peak]

Warr has also not been meta for ages, your argument shouldn't apply to warrior either, does that help?

[normal bane]

yea everything should be meta

[restive peak]

No one "deserves" a season of being busted

[normal bane]

thast the way meta works right

[restive peak]

No, the meta gap should be 2-3%

Not 15-20%

While continuing to further that chasm with each tuning patch

[normal bane]

except that tuning has and will never happening

yo ucan wish for it all you want

[restive peak]

And if you don't understand the frustration of that you're either trolling, or EXTREMELY unintelligent, and I say that in a non-insulting tone

[normal bane]

they can't even tune pvp vs pve well when there is a separate modifier for it

you can complain all yo uwant about keys, we're not great there. I agree on that

but saying "fine" in raid

is so dumb

[idle ember]

MODS

[restive peak]

People sit on their couches every Sunday ruining their day over football, it's normalized. People get upset their hobby is being consistently ruined for no verifiably reason, and the response is "just take it lol nerds"

[humble plover]

We are fine. The being great on the aoe fights is balanced by being dog shit on the st ones. We are fine

[restive peak]

If you care about it so little, you probably shouldn't even bother participating in the conversation. It's great that you feel that way, I'm happy for you, it doesn't make you correct.

[normal bane]

what converstation

its just a circle jerk of ppl complaining about fury being bad

[meager void]

This.

[eager thorn]

Not really though

[restive peak]

It's where people come to discuss the spec, the spec that is currently being nerfed again, and people are frustrated/asking about relative power after etc

[eager thorn]

Theres been a few ppl on either side

[tidal kindle]

Before this devolves further lets take a breath, yeah?

[restive peak]

If you want to have conversations only on your terms and opinions, I recommend a mirror.

[normal bane]

do other classes getting buffed make no sense? definitely

is their tuning wild and off the mark, 100%

[light haven]

dude

please

[restive peak]

Are their discords full of the same thing in the other direction? Yes. Are their discords full of exactly this when nerfed? Yes.

Welcome to the internet.

[meager void]

Yes, its great that we no longer discuss rotation or boss strata here and that every fucking hour someone is dooming

[tidal kindle]

Ignore other classes

[restive peak]

People discuss strats etc all the time, it's not the only purpose.

[light haven]

game is 20 years old and you complain about complainers

[eager thorn]

When some changes come to a class it makes sense that that will dominate conversation for a while

[restive peak]

As long as it remains respectful, people are allowed to vent.

If you'd like to discuss a strat, or rotation, you're also free to do that and steer the conversation that way.

[tidal kindle]

Warrior doom comes from

1. historical dev ignoring feedback
2. dev tuning being nonsensical in terms of what they want claim to want to achieve and how they go about it
3. balancing warrior this tier around our niche / best case scenario only to end up being "good" at best in that niche best case scenario while the outliers are getting buffed

[light haven]

warrior needs a remake

[tidal kindle]

It's like a perfect storm of despair after how DF and SL went

[winter shoal]

re 2: culling cyclone nerf :xdd:

[tidal kindle]

Warrior playstyle has not changed in 3 expacs and we get to watch everyone else have new toys - whether good or bad, they're new

[meager void]

I see a problem when the discussion shifts from the ways one can improve vs the justifications of why one is, supposedly, bellow avg

[normal bane]

i would agree warrior sucks this tier if fight design wasn't the way it is. And it will probably suck in a few months when everything is overgeared and stuff just dies anyway

[opal sapphire]

i mean you did it, i just cba. I got instant hate for pointing out DKs are legit doing everything we do and more+better.

[normal bane]

but for prog, warrior is great

[restive peak]

For prog warrior is viable, we are already past the gear point where warriors even need to hold for brood unless parse is the goal

For very EARLY RWF prog, warrior was great

[tidal kindle]

I agree with you opn dk/fury
I imagine the wording is where the hate/non hate comes from

[normal bane]

the point of warrior is to let other ppl go full st specs for brood

not so everyone can try aoe'ing for hte parse

but yes, fdk shits on brood and frost is indeed op

[idle ember]

LOL what do ou think goes on in the ret pally disc

[light haven]

says who?

[normal bane]

a person who can think

[light haven]

says who? 😄

[normal bane]

and common sense

[tidal kindle]

It's just warrior is stale and feels to be the neglected red headed bastard stepchild

Breaking point for many

[restive peak]

No one is doing that past RWF and early gear, by the way

No mid tier guild is actually having only their warrs run AOE while everyone STs because you'd never get everyone to, and everyone doesn't have the endless ability to bench people

The roster boss kills more guilds than anything else

[tidal kindle]

And as much as I hate the dooming, I am not a good enough person to not join in sometimes

[restive peak]

^

[eager thorn]

We did for rash cos we have 2 furies but brood p sure this is whats happening

Sorry to snipe the ^

[normal bane]

just because they don't doesn't mean they shouldn't

[opal sapphire]

thats true, this is why Im a warr for the upcoming time. Im mage normally, and I can say for a fact I got very annoyed with mage buffs too, because its just stupid??

[humble plover]

I love dooming, buff frost dk

[barren coral]

were not neglected

[normal bane]

they can choose to do whatever they want sure

[light haven]

a boss is programmed a certain way @normal bane : yep its meant for fury to aoe so others can st, lol

[barren coral]

if anything, we got the most attention out of any class so far :)

[eager thorn]

And even 2 furies on rash feels overkill

[radiant plank]

[fickle bluff]

irrefutably based

[normal bane]

its almost like a well designed comp of aoe and st is a good idea

who knew!

[light haven]

its funny that you think that devs had that in mind

[normal bane]

unless you literally need everyone aoe'ing

fdk just does both on that fight

its sad that you think they don't...

[eager thorn]

I think furys aoe being good is a reason that people can go st on brood, i dont think its the point of warriors for that to be the case though

[light haven]

so you are telling me the developers that implemented the current m+ oblivion affix that makes it impossible to collect orbs on certain mechanics from certain bosses are the same guys that had fury warriors aoe in mind when it comes to raid boss'?

sure

[opal sapphire]

xd

[normal bane]

it doesn't matter if you like it or not, fury's current job is to delete adds in burst aoe, and that lets other ppl focus on prio

[dapper goblet]

feel like those might be different people working on the game

[normal bane]

we are the absolute best in the game at that

[barren coral]

wdym bro u dont like forced wipe on 3rd boss boralus???

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/louder-for-the-people-in-the-back-say-it-shouting-shaking-gif-13309926964275671127

[light haven]

whether i like it or not is irrelevant, thats not hte point of this discussion

[barren coral]

imagine making a whole character, spending gold and time on it

to be told ur whole life purpose

is to killsmall adds

[normal bane]

imagine picking a class without knowing it's damage profiles then complaining about it

if you care about that kind of thing

[opal sapphire]

xd xd

[normal bane]

which you seem to

[light haven]

arms warrior being bleed spec in bfa was better than this lol

[red berry]

real

[dapper goblet]

[fading bane]

«What is my purpose?»

«Kill smallies»

«Ah :(«

[eager thorn]

Good reference