That’s gonna be good for gearing alts
#fury
dire vigil
fast mural
Heroic loot has never been this irrelevant ever
All thanks to myth track going up to 639
Yeah for alts I guess its gonna be nice
south kayak
Fair point
dire vigil
You still need heroic loot to be able to reliable acquire myth loot
Well. I kinda take that back. I didn’t bother upgrading much hero loot past 619
fast mural
Havnt upgraded a heroic piece above 619 cause I need to save gilded crests for myth track
dire vigil
Trinkets and really good items. I upgraded helm and chest to 623 just for a little extra ilvl.
fast mural
619 is where champion ends btw
dire vigil
Yeah, I see what you’re saying. There’s almost no point in worrying about hero track because you want to go from champion 619 to myth
I wasted 15 crests upgrading a hero chest to 623. Now my season is bricked
fast mural
Not exactly its that I won't ever get a chance to use gilded for hero track gear cause they all get used up by myth track gear
inner shadow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jrJZZFJKjymq4tDUFT85TH
does this upgrade order make sense?
dire vigil
Not exactly its that I won't ever get a chance to use gilded for hero track gear...
True! Most likely
left elk
Hero track really should have went at least one more level
compact flint
Can i link my Great vault for help on what to pick?
dire vigil
I upgraded my socketed mists helm to 626 though because that’s genuinely a good piece that I wouldn’t want to replace unless I have a myth socketed helm, which might require 2 weeks of loot and one bad vault (helm snag + socket)
dire badge
dire vigil
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305/1285338351464...
No I meant to ask: when did the “everyone repeats the bad message” bit begin?
south kayak
Do you have the trinket
south kayak
No I meant to ask: when did the “everyone repeats the bad message” bit begin?
A long time ago lol
It’s called a copy pasta
south kayak
Try simming though, that’s gonna give some clear answers
compact flint
Do you have the trinket
i have detachable fang + transmitter + Ara kara Sacbrood
south kayak
@compact flint
serene vessel
dont worry, next week when they nerf fire by 7%, you'll be above fire mage!
dire vigil
i have detachable fang + transmitter + Ara kara Sacbrood
Ring or socket imo
south kayak
If you have transmitter then that should be better than the same track skarmorak
dire vigil
Bank a socket for a myth slot
south kayak
You could go for ring or cloak
compact flint
Is the cloak good for us even if it has crit?
dire vigil
Mini hell
south kayak
If that bothers you
south kayak
Is the cloak good for us even if it has crit?
It’s a pretty high ilvl cloak
Don’t have to upgrade a lot
So idk
compact flint
Do you need the rings i have right now?
south kayak
I know that ring is one of the best rings for fury I think
south kayak
Lmao
compact flint
Socket pieces come first if you have cata
south kayak
I figured that
meager moat
only 1 m+10 in the week, getting skarmorak trinket, thanks blizzard
south kayak
Don’t think blizzard did that
rotund ginkgo
Socket pieces come first if you have cata
i mean the belt is haste mast
unreal wasp
Blizzard hates us
rotund ginkgo
or rather mast haste
lusty plinth
guys, when do you start getting DR? Is it past 50% mastery ?
golden ingot
did they nerf something today?
meager moat
normally if i did only 1 m+10 (boralus), i'm not supposed to get only boralus loot for my 623 loot ?
golden ingot
feel likei deal less dmg
rotund ginkgo
normally if i did only 1 m+10 (boralus), i'm not supposed to get only boralus lo...
no the m+ can drop any m+ item
agile crystal
Thane better than slayer for m+ now?
agile crystal
ah ok
quiet geyser
Thane tankier for high keys tho
summer quail
Thane better than slayer for m+ now?
If pugging yes. If premade about equal
quiet geyser
Pugging had legit nothing to do with it. Your specific comp and the key itself does
meager moat
it depends of how ur tank is tankking, looks like thane got way more damage no cd than slayer
summer quail
Pugging had legit nothing to do with it. Your specific comp and the key itself d...
It does. Slayer is more cd reliant, tank in pugs is not gonna pull around you
quiet geyser
It does not. You're just assuming every tank is bad with that logic. While A LOT are, but if you're pugging 10-12s its safe to assume you'll get atleast some decent tanks
summer quail
I'm assuming atleast some of them are bad yes
quiet geyser
Also, if we're going to base off assumptions, im gonna go ahead and assume most pugs do terrible boss damage in m+, in which slayer gains a lot more benefit
serene vessel
Isn't slayer about equal to MT in ST dam now?
(I haven't kept up to date with fury anymore)
quiet geyser
Na.
heavy dock
somehow a lot better than mine even like that lol
quiet geyser
Slayer still does considerably more damage to bosses
serene vessel
oh hmm
quiet geyser
That 2% is patchwork lol. How many fights do you do that are patchwork fights?
young swan
huh
serene vessel
well the 2% specifically said in single target with a multi target build (ie a m+ build)
quiet geyser
Yea, with constant uptime
serene vessel
and with the anniversary nerfs I feel like MT might even be more equal or pull ahead (I'll wait for people to do actual math)
young swan
thane doesnt suffer from uptime as much as slayer does by virtue of the fact it has no cdr tied to uptime
so like
quiet geyser
and with the anniversary nerfs I feel like MT might even be more equal or pull a...
Oh ofc, but we're talking this week
young swan
what point are we trying to make
eager thorn
not queen ring from the dg quest but ill take it
unreal onyx
did we get a catalyst charge this week?
quiet geyser
what point are we trying to make
Slayer gets it's damage out faster. Most bosses have adds that die pretty fast, and pretty much every boss has moments where you hold cds for such moments
eager thorn
did we get a catalyst charge this week?
next
young swan
are we talking about raid or m+
quiet geyser
M+
young swan
thane just betta
imo
dont think there are very many m+ boss add spawns that ur holding cd's for
earnest meteor
have you seen the fury buffs ?
south kayak
Is AM better for thane than it’s for slayer?
summer quail
Is AM better for thane than it’s for slayer?
Yes
vapid tiger
have you seen the fury buffs ?
You mean the increased EXP to make a FDK?
south kayak
HOLY
tender pivot
pog
young swan
Meh its just subjective. I like thane for some keys, slayer for others
genuinely I dont think theres a single dungeon where i would prefer slayer at this point
maybe city of thread?
quiet geyser
Is AM better for thane than it’s for slayer?
AM will have reck and rav sync. With slayer, BS is gonna desync all the time
summer quail
Just because of ravager and unhinged?
Slayer desync
quiet geyser
genuinely I dont think theres a single dungeon where i would prefer slayer at th...
I like slayer more for mist
earnest meteor
young swan
Is AM better for thane than it’s for slayer?
yes and no, a lot of thanes strength rn (imo) is leveraging unhinged to consume BB while you pump out CB, tblast, ramp
zealous geyser
whats the current raiding spec? havent played fury since star tof season
earnest meteor
There’s the AM buff
soft caps are not in the newest one 
south kayak
soft caps are not in the newest one <:copium:839076283467431956>
Let’s hope they get reverted but that’s a long shot lol
Some would say impossible
velvet obsidian
Playing a dungeon with an enhance and a ret makes me feel bad
quiet geyser
I'm actually not against the soft cap.. if they made fury absolute king in 4-5 target
earnest meteor
we will be king of nothing
velvet obsidian
I'm actually not against the soft cap.. if they made fury absolute king in 4-5 t...
We don't believe in compensation buffs around here friend
serene vessel
the soft caps make no sense when you're simply not going to run into 4-5 target in most content
velvet obsidian
King of heroic dungeons 
serene vessel
unironically why I'm not on my fury war rn
south kayak
king of the bench maybe
Kind of floor pov
quiet geyser
But we’re still not
MT is almost there lol. Tc instead of WW is in the right direction
serene vessel
but now they're nerfing fire mage by 7% xdd
earnest meteor
king of rallying cry 
south kayak
Kind of crying
tender crown
im about to craft a weapon is there a reason why the claymore is more expensive in material? becuase from what i see they all have the same dps
velvet obsidian
Surely rally is a good utility
young swan
im about to craft a weapon is there a reason why the claymore is more expensive ...
no craft the cheapest option
south kayak
but now they're nerfing fire mage by 7% xdd
L bozo
young swan
there is no difference
young swan
fire mage deserves to get shot in the head
south kayak
there is no difference
What anime is your pfp from
velvet obsidian
Blizz was getting too much flak for EVERY mage spec being amazing
young swan
hxh
south kayak
fire mage deserves to get shot in the head
So real
earnest meteor
i have so much utility between cry and ap buff people making lines to get me into mythic +
modern gull
this must be the best one this season
south kayak
Is hxh your favorite anime
south kayak
Oh that’s high praise
eager thorn
its my favourite piece of fiction
Mine is warrior buffs
south kayak
More head shot please
serene vessel
yall got baited by a single week with low amount of parses and a lot of people with PI
summer quail
Oh shit rly, need to read those. Heard togashi can actually sit and draw now
rotund ginkgo
the sim has spoken
young swan
if fury can get shot in the head for raid, fire can get shot in the head for m+
velvet obsidian
Are we still doing worse ST than Augvokers?
young swan
definitely is
earnest meteor
we beat augmetation aint no way
young swan
definitely saw some wacky wavy fire mage stuff
serene vessel
definitely is
check raider io, you can play fire in a single week
single dungeon*
frost/arcane is better
earnest meteor
with our insane utility and beating augmetation we are cranking brothers
eager thorn
Better doesnt mean fire not also good
south kayak
Frost arcane so boring
velvet obsidian
with our insane utility and beating augmetation we are cranking brothers
REAL. Fury is SO back.
serene vessel
Better doesnt mean fire not also good
When it comes to m+ balancing, the only thing that matters is the highest keys. Fire isn't played in them
south kayak
Too bad
young swan
also no shot anyone takes this seriously when rashanan isnt counted and theres no public logs for ansurek right
south kayak
When execute buff
warm crag
also no shot anyone takes this seriously when rashanan isnt counted and theres n...
i take it incredibly seriously
earnest meteor
when fury rework
warm crag
especially when i sort it by damage to boss
south kayak
when fury rework
Why are you so based
velvet obsidian
When execute buff
Unbind the button. Your DPS will go up
serene vessel
also no shot anyone takes this seriously when rashanan isnt counted and theres n...
Blizzard clearly does considering they've clearly been balancing around it
earnest meteor
I’ll play another class until warrior gets talent rework
i already play frost dk
quiet geyser
You do realize after the logs are "fixed" again for rasha, furys gonna jump back up to high upper mid
young swan
Blizzard clearly does considering they've clearly been balancing around it
yeah i mean they're dumb as hell what else is new
south kayak
i already play frost dk
I play it too but not as a main
south kayak
You do realize after the logs are "fixed" again for rasha, furys gonna jump back...
Poggers
earnest meteor
i am playing warrior from wrath i am used on getting giga nerfed the moment we get good
young swan
when fury rework
hopefully fucking soon
earnest meteor
hopefully fucking soon
next expansion probably
young swan
warrior is the only class where all 3 specs havent received a rework
left elk
I play frost dk as a main, is stronk, but MT fury is way more fun
south kayak
You do realize after the logs are "fixed" again for rasha, furys gonna jump back...
Hope blizzard buffs before next week so we don’t jump and they see it’s fine
serene vessel
You do realize after the logs are "fixed" again for rasha, furys gonna jump back...
I wasn't talking about fury
quiet geyser
Oh lol sorry
earnest meteor
warrior is the only class where all 3 specs havent received a rework
prot is fine tbh
young swan
yuski was talking about fire i just used it as an opportunity to pivot because people think fury is bad in raid for some reason
south kayak
warrior is the only class where all 3 specs havent received a rework
I want ww monk caliber rework
RIGHT NOW
quiet geyser
@young swan what you mean. We can take shockwave now
velvet obsidian
Wait holup, when was Relentless Pursuit nerfed? Did it always have that 30 second cooldown?
quiet geyser
Rework complete
young swan
prot is fine tbh
any spec that hasnt changed in 6 years is not fine
south kayak
Wait holup, when was Relentless Pursuit nerfed? Did it always have that 30 secon...
Yeah
clever belfry
yuski was talking about fire i just used it as an opportunity to pivot because p...
fury bad!!! cause its bad on sikran in aoe spec!!!!
earnest meteor
Time to brick a +11 boys
south kayak
fury bad!!! cause its bad on sikran in aoe spec!!!!
Lmfao
young swan
stagnation is the enemy of progress
floral dove
thats true
young swan
dont let naysayers tell you "if it aint broke dont fix it"
south kayak
any spec that hasnt changed in 6 years is not fine
I still think prot is fine but I agree about arms and fury
velvet obsidian
Time to brick a +11 boys
We carpenters out here the way we lay bricks in these keys 💪
south kayak
Yeah same
warm crag
fury plays fine but I'd like a rework
shoot AM so we actually get cool cds ty
velvet obsidian
Shoot RA so I can stack haste and feel good about spending rage again
quiet geyser
I wouldnt even argue fury needs much of a rework. Only 3 glaring issues i'de like to see fixed 1) execute needs a massive buff 2) get rid of the 2 point nodes in both trees, except the stat 1s at the bottom, and 3) WW function is outdated. MT fixed it, slayer could use some love (fan of long swords!
young swan
arms NEEDS one however
agreed, I think fury needs one more than people might let on but its mostly because of issues I personally have with the spec
dire badge
arms NEEDS one however
anda stop being so real
next ruin
in last xpac has single minded fury ever been played ?
south kayak
No
warm crag
Shoot RA so I can stack haste and feel good about spending rage again
bet you love being an uptime slave
velvet obsidian
I do
wary fjord
They have kept it on the talent tree for memes
velvet obsidian
Better than having Raging Blow be top prio
floral dove
Shoot RA so I can stack haste and feel good about spending rage again
felt
velvet obsidian
Rampage should do BFD. Not bottom prio garbage.
young swan
Shoot RA so I can stack haste and feel good about spending rage again
the best way to feel good about spending rage is making the rage economy lower (nuke reck)
south kayak
There are some immediate issues that they can fix before a rework: buff rampage slightly, buff Execute ALOT, buff Onslaught and Tenderize
young swan
Rampage should do BFD. Not bottom prio garbage.
does big fuck dam as thane
south kayak
Make OF following talents better
quiet geyser
bb and rampage should be only prio
You left execute out. Your mind is poisoned.
young swan
all of you think too small
smoky vale
no
velvet obsidian
Reck is kinda a bad cd. Gives us crit? Which we don't love? The rage is nice but like... idk man I've always thought reck was a weird fit for us.
young swan
dont fix what we have, give us new shit
smoky vale
i enjoyed s3 df
velvet obsidian
does big fuck dam as thane
That's why I'm Thunderblasting IRL. Thane 4 lyfe.
south kayak
dont fix what we have, give us new shit
Well we do need fixes to capstones being dogshit
And rampage for thane is insane
floral dove
Thunderblast go skrrrrrrrrt
young swan
Well we do need fixes to capstones being dogshit
new capstones
nimble ermine
yea new capstones
velvet obsidian
Carnage capstone when?
sudden tusk
dont fix what we have, give us new shit
but xan
we already got reworked
with so many new talents
smoky vale
remove unbridled fury
velvet obsidian
Onslaught being a capstone ability 
sudden tusk
look we get shockwave now!!!!
young swan
true they gave us unhinged and nuked annihilator
nimble ermine
remove unbridled fury
no revert it
sudden tusk
Warlords torment new talent so cool!!!
floral dove
hear me out
young swan
im fine with UF if they make reck a better CD
floral dove
onslaught should be base skill
velvet obsidian
Storm of Steel buff confirmed?
quiet geyser
dont fix what we have, give us new shit
Lmao they did, they gave us poweful enrage and choiced it with 1 of our most beloved talents so we hate taking it!
nimble ermine
onslaught should be base skill
no
velvet obsidian
Capstone ability that lowers overall DPS. Good one Blizz.
south kayak
im fine with UF if they make reck a better CD
Remove avatar and make 20% damage into reck thanks
young swan
Lmao they did, they gave us poweful enrage and choiced it with 1 of our most bel...
i love powerful enrage
quiet geyser
Ew
young swan
Remove avatar and make 20% damage into reck thanks
nah
warm crag
im fine with UF if they make reck a better CD
impossible with am B)B)B)
smoky vale
okay but what if arms ip contributed to am again and ms got a giga ap buff
young swan
remove rage gen from reck and slap 30% haste on it
smoky vale
nimble ermine
remove rage gen from reck and slap 30% haste on it
+1
velvet obsidian
Lmao they did, they gave us poweful enrage and choiced it with 1 of our most bel...
THIS. Powerful enrage is the worst thing ever. Haste is my beloved.
smoky vale
im a hater of uf
quiet geyser
Poweful does own. What doesnt own is giving up the other 1
young swan
im fine with giving up frenzied, legion fury is my fav and powerful just makes it legion fury
velvet obsidian
Powerful is what causes 50% of our current problem. It makes us burst too hard and makes our downtime between cds feel awful
young swan
Powerful is what causes 50% of our current problem. It makes us burst too hard a...
no its not lmfao
nimble ermine
i cant say fuck
south kayak
im fine with giving up frenzied, legion fury is my fav and powerful just makes i...
Until someone dies and you get 25% haste poggers
young swan
it compounds an issue caused by blizzard making all of our CD's massive aoe cd's
velvet obsidian
Powerful makes our burst crazy. We get nerfed for our AoE burst. Stupid nerfs mind you, but Blizz ain't exactly smart
Sure, but it contributes to the problem
young swan
Powerful makes our burst crazy. We get nerfed for our AoE burst. Stupid nerfs mi...
our burst IS STILL CRAZY without powerful
south kayak
https://tenor.com/view/you-baby-rage-you-are-baby-gif-18139929
Xeos has been annoying ever since he went shaman
Real
young swan
Sure, but it contributes to the problem
but it isnt THE problem
velvet obsidian
You aren't wrong, it just makes it more egregious.
young swan
the problem is blizzard being unable to design a warrior cd that doesnt do massive aoe damage
young swan
ur just misplacing the blame
south kayak
the problem is blizzard being unable to design a warrior cd that doesnt do massi...
Blizzard when a cd isn’t massive aoe damage
velvet obsidian
the problem is blizzard being unable to design a warrior cd that doesnt do massi...
Reck doesn't do massive AoE damage. It just helps us proc CSHB more
smoky vale
young swan
Reck doesn't do massive AoE damage. It just helps us proc CSHB more <:keks:93623...
avatar, roar, OF, bladestorm, ravager, spear
chilly sapphire
Just add onto some talent node that gives us less threat generated or smth
young swan
exception, not the rule
south kayak
avatar, roar, OF, bladestorm, ravager, spear
So you’re saying remove titans torment
young swan
sure
south kayak
Chatting
velvet obsidian
I know, you are right
smoky vale
xan how do we fix arms
south kayak
We’re shitters
smoky vale
it needs god
velvet obsidian
Powerful just makes us super CD reliant and makes that downtime between CDs feel so bad
young swan
xan how do we fix arms
revert to legion
young swan
Powerful just makes us super CD reliant and makes that downtime between CDs feel...
i disagree
south kayak
xan how do we fix arms
You need a team of expert professionals to fix arms
young swan
I dont think it changes anything, it just makes things slow down a bit
which I like
gives me more time to think about the next best global
summer quail
xan how do we fix arms
i'm not xan but you remake it from the ground up
spec is wack
velvet obsidian
Slow gameplay = arms gameplay. I wanna be smashing my face on the keyboard at all times with the biggest button being rampage.
young swan
dont know what a legion is
go find out what legion is
south kayak
I really hope warrior rework is on the list for devs, because if it’s not I’m gonna have good time playing another class
young swan
powerful doesnt stop fury gameplay from being fast lmfao
fast vortex
quick question
Can we set loot as fury now for 2handed?
young swan
its just not as fast as frenzied
clever belfry
quick question
Can we set loot as fury now for 2handed?
you always could, but you also get 1hs
young swan
ur still gcd locked
south kayak
quick question
Can we set loot as fury now for 2handed?
Set arms for 2h
clever belfry
so just set arms.
fast vortex
alright cool. ty
smoky vale
go find out what legion is
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/21901-73-arms-pointing-your-weapon-in-the-right-direction/ surely this is a good resource
fast vortex
in terms of trinkets and all its all the same right?
fast vortex
ty
velvet obsidian
I just want carnage back. 60 Rage rampage, 25% increased rampage damage. Send it Blizz
Or give conq banner back
I'd FUCK with conq banner
young swan
I like old frothing
south kayak
Get 100 rage to get some damage
young swan
I think old frothing would actually fit in really well right now
summer quail
Mastery: Colossal Might. It increases the damage of your Colossus Smash by %, and causes it to increase damage you deal to the target by an additional % (% is based on the amount of mastery you have.) I miss this arms mastery
young swan
maybe bfa frothing?
warm crag
it wouldnt change shit or
south kayak
It wouldn’t but it would fit
south kayak
maybe bfa frothing?
That’s 95 rage rampage right
young swan
it wouldnt change shit or
it would reward you for rage cap instead of just rage cap being optimal because CB is busted
south kayak
Or what
young swan
That’s 95 rage rampage right
yeah
and then u got like 10% haste and 8% damage or some shit
it was sick
south kayak
It simmed higher than carnage for me
young swan
lemme check
modest condor
orgozoa was meat cleaver tech
young swan
yeah it might've just been better in EP but i genuinely cant remember
modest condor
dont think i played fb on that
modest condor
i may be wrong tho
serene vessel
powerful doesnt stop fury gameplay from being fast lmfao
Ya but faster = better
south kayak
I knew what was gonna happen as soon as I saw the first picture rofl
young swan
especially when its every other global
golden hare
gj buddy
brittle crow
im baby
serene vessel
It's why I swapped to current fire mage. I love how fast it is
south kayak
i did my first +10
Congrats fella
south kayak
It's why I swapped to current fire mage. I love how fast it is
Me when fire blast phoenix pyro
young swan
@modest condor u wanna see some cursed shit
velvet obsidian
Disagree. Rampage being the thing we build to should mean that it does good damage. Having our big resource spender being almost lowest prio (execute, kek) should NEVER be the case. That'd be like Destrolock not really wanting to cast chaos bolt
serene vessel
Me when fire blast phoenix pyro
You gonna pretend like most specs can't be boiled down to 3 skills if you wanna be disingenuous?
young swan
this was blackwater behemoth LMFAO
south kayak
You gonna pretend like most specs can't be boiled down to 3 skills if you wanna ...
I’m not saying that’s bad
south kayak
this was blackwater behemoth LMFAO
Endless rage, and furious strike?
young swan
furious slash on BWB yeah
fiery harbor
is there a guide to help optimize mountain thane priority?
this spec is chaotic af...
never know if i should press thunderblast or keep on sending as many CBs as possible during reck.
and during ravager i dont know if i should just rampage as much as possible to send out all the free bloodbaths or if i should CB and thunderblast in between.
and often i dont know if i should thunder blast before running out of whirlwind stacks or just use them all before i refresh with thunder blast. also with titanic rage idk if i should even thunder blast after it as it gives me WW stacks anyway
this spec is a jumbled mess
modest condor
i dont remember if i played furious slash on behemoth but i played it on ashvane
young swan
i played it for all of the first 4
south kayak
furious slash on BWB yeah
I was wondering why that was weird then I realized the downtime
modest condor
probably played it on behemoth too
young swan
Im pretty sure i was one of the only people playing it on blackwater
south kayak
Fury was goated in EP
young swan
not saying you didnt but a lot of logs definitely werent when I played it
south kayak
I missed coral
dapper goblet
i think i was the first to play it on queens court
and then kelade looked at my log and called me a troll..
young swan
thats wacky
south kayak
Were you guys here in EP
young swan
based silm
south kayak
In skyhold
young swan
ive been here since legion
south kayak
ive been here since legion
What were the worst times
eternal sundial
@south kayakyou know u can click on ppl when they joined
dapper goblet
tardies saying warrior will be fine
olive wraith
Disagree. Rampage being the thing we build to should mean that it does good dama...
Fury execute a spender?
dapper goblet
then took 2 months of buffs to be fine
south kayak
Castle warrior was cursed
dapper goblet
clever belfry
didnt play FB on orgozoa tho
FB was fake before Nya
serene vessel
tardies saying warrior will be fine
People just have no concept of balance
young swan
it was real on orgo!
quiet geyser
then took 2 months of buffs to be fine
24% in aura buffs to be exact. To be mid tier
young swan
i just didnt do it well
south kayak
I still remember necro nerf before it came out
young swan
cause i suck
south kayak
Same
clever belfry
(with leech)
modest condor
it simmed higher for me at some points during nyalotha but in the end carnage came out on top again
smoky vale
xan legion arms looks turbo slow
quiet geyser
I still remember necro nerf before it came out
Thry did the same to venth 3 patches in a row
young swan
i do have a log with FB its just not good, idk what happened tho
prob died
or it was early
south kayak
Idk why they nerfed necro
young swan
logs archived
south kayak
We never even played it
young swan
yeah
south kayak
Same
dapper goblet
👺 💰
south kayak
Stupid change
clever belfry
i mean i get it right
quiet geyser
Idk why they nerfed necro
It was simming stupid high.
young swan
i dont really wanna pay for wcl
south kayak
True
eternal pebble
Did I miss something or why are most of high players back to slayer?
young swan
slayer is still good in keys too
eternal pebble
yeah in raid for sure, but they play +14 keys with slayer
quiet geyser
Did I miss something or why are most of high players back to slayer?
Cuz people found theres not a whole lot og difference
south kayak
I might go shaman for next patch
dapper goblet
are you still playing shaman
yes goober
young swan
yeah in raid for sure, but they play +14 keys with slayer
noxiv prefers slayer
south kayak
yes goober
Rework looks pog
eternal pebble
crit, gucci and so on too
south kayak
Especially elemental
dapper goblet
no fotm rerollers
young swan
crit, gucci and so on too
sheeple following god-king noxiv
south kayak
I’m not fotm rerolling, I’m disappointed with warrior
velvet obsidian
Maybe they want the burst profile in their group instead of the slow and steady thane clappa build
south kayak
Idk I saw crit pull first NW with slayer and thane
And he did way better for thane
So
eternal pebble
hm maybe, I mean I tried slayer in a +10GB but I was under my MT playwise, maybe I am to bad for slayer lol 😄
clever belfry
MT is harder to play ngl
young swan
hm maybe, I mean I tried slayer in a +10GB but I was under my MT playwise, maybe...
doubtful, slayer is way easier
south kayak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187113025350676570/1296167680939659376/i...
I don’t have any thoughts
velvet obsidian
real
eternal pebble
doubtful, slayer is way easier
understand that, but for real I performed bad, and it felt slower dont know why
south kayak
What else do you need
frozen portal
is there a guide to help optimize mountain thane priority?
this spec is chaoti...
Run your sim, for me it showed that I should rampage CB spam and skip BB while reck and avatar are up bc BBs are going out with ravager
smoky vale
xan legion arms looks turbo slow
dapper goblet
Thats why it was good
legion arms died for no reason and we've been stuck with dogshit bfa arms slop for 6 years
voodoo upon that guy
velvet obsidian
Imagine using one 2h when you could have two 2h. Are they dumb?
sullen dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187113025350676570/1296167680939659376/i...
die perhaps
nimble ermine
can they put the talent that increases your size on thane as well
colossus is stinky
final birch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187113025350676570/1296167680939659376/i...
Sikran neck + rash cape enjoyer
Gg
final birch
I dont have either 
left elk
the 24 between the 90s XD
mossy fox
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oblique trail
freak!!
nimble ermine
support wcl on patreon
oblique trail
Not ignoring colour
mossy fox
nice
fading bane
Not ignoring colour
gulp
oblique trail
Rashanan hc
smoky vale
color with u
fading bane
i havnt killed a boss on another class than warrior
winter shoal
what boss is dis
dn
fading bane
since Uunat
clever belfry
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I LITEARLLY
fading bane
Ret do go hard
nimble ermine
they are lying to you
chilly fractal
It’s going to betray you at the Red Robin wedding
oblique trail
I thought I was cool with this
clever belfry
(theyre ST spec and did 600k less dps unfilter than me 👍)
oblique trail
But it got beat like 3 times already
clever belfry
what bossi
oblique trail
Rasha HC
blissful kestrel
Fury everywhere
velvet obsidian
Play Augvoker for better damage
fading bane
I thought I was cool with this
gamers
nimble ermine
do it
fading bane
🤝
clever belfry
tbf i gotta resim
blissful kestrel
Play fury irl too
clever belfry
and im benchie on 2nd boss so i technicalyl have time
clever belfry
I even went Spear and did 100k less than you
shut up
anyone playing fury spear on rash needs to be shot
oblique trail
And way less ass to play
humble plover
I thought I was cool with this
U are cool
oblique trail
I am not
humble plover
Fdk and ret rerollers are not cool
hollow lance
Hello guys Im new here! I have question its OK to have my Recklessness macroed to Avatar? It has same CD and otherwise I always forget to use it
oblique trail
Hello guys Im new here! I have question its OK to have my Recklessness macroed t...
It's fine but have a separate Reck bind for when you want to use Reck but not Avatar
Which can happen when you use AM (which will be played more often after the buff in a week)
chilly fractal
Next week wooo
hollow lance
whats AM?
verbal rivet
Ret is so damn easy wtf
All 4 buttons you need to hit is wild
chilly fractal
20th anniversary wooo
hollow lance
oh anger management, thanks got it
chilly fractal
Anger Management starring Adam Sandler wooo!
lilac basin
my sick brain having troubles when we talk about Odyn's Fury
humble plover
I use reck alone but I have another macro that uses roar and avatar together. The ol one button all the aggro macro
serene vessel
It's fine but have a separate Reck bind for when you want to use Reck but not Av...
i mean you could also jsut use the same button but just keep track of reck cd seperately, no?
hollow lance
I use reck alone but I have another macro that uses roar and avatar together. Th...
I have also with it also Roar 😄 , it feels like its meant to use togather since also Rec and avatar are without GCD 😄
serene vessel
I can't imagine a scenario where you'd have both reck and ava available, but only want to send 1 of them
oblique trail
It's not often but there are definitely scenarios where Reck is fine to use but Avatar you want to hold for specific mechanics/upcoming packs
(broodtwister for example)
Use Reck on pull but no Avatar
clever belfry
with titans torment? a good chunk
imma b real
but even without TT these scenarios existed in DF
oblique trail
I didn't play warr in S1, and didn't play at all during S2, so can't recall moments from there
serene vessel
hmm, i only played s1 s2 and never found myself in a scenario where I wanted to hold it
s3 was dog doodoo tier
oblique trail
But in S3 you used Reck and Avatar separately
serene vessel
and s4 i played for a month on my mage
nimble ermine
i mean i assume if you dont want to run TR you wouldnt send it all together
and prolly just reck charge or something to get a rampage off
chilly fractal
S3 DF was awesome
nimble ermine
dunno tho im too lazy to drop TR for 1 VC
oblique trail
You can safely just use that macro no problem even without TR, since you realistically wont use any combination of OF and Titans Torment without also having TR
Because you'd get enough rage even if you don't reck + charge to Ramp immediately
oblique trail
aintnoway you are leaking your mythic broodtwister performance
I have no 0 parse at hand to leak that
upbeat plume
remind me I cant find the post as its way back, was it odyns and TR getting the 5 target cap or was bs and ravager in there too
oblique trail
Because you'd get enough rage even if you don't reck + charge to Ramp immediatel...
So you could Charge -> Reck + Avatar + Ramp -> Spear -> BS
oblique trail
remind me I cant find the post as its way back, was it odyns and TR getting the ...
It's OF and TR
upbeat plume
thank you
next ruin
Do you guys still run slayer for tyrannical? (8+)
oblique trail
You can run either one
errant parrot
I am currently rocking Ara Kara (Champion) and Skarmorak (Hero).
I got Myth skarmorak and Hero Treacherous Transmitter in my vault.
I know that Transmitter parses higher but given you have to activate the buff, is it better than the Myth Skarmorak?
velvet obsidian
Slayer is better for ST, and if the mobs aren't fortified then burst is just better anyways
So until you get both affixes Slayer is probably better
hollow lance
I am currently rocking Ara Kara (Champion) and Skarmorak (Hero).
I got Myth sk...
I have champ Transmiter and I hate it, its so anoying to use 😄
next ruin
So until you get both affixes Slayer is probably better
classic build or 45s roar ?
nimble ermine
i wish i could take a transmitter from everyone who hates it
clever belfry
wclogs giveth
nimble ermine
that trinket doesnt exist
clever belfry
wclogs taketh
mental swan
I am currently rocking Ara Kara (Champion) and Skarmorak (Hero).
I got Myth sk...
people getting vaults that look photoshopped while I had to take war tokens 2nd week in a row while needing so many upgrades T_T
errant parrot
It was a very lucky draw... Which is unfortunate. But seems like people are mixed?
Anyone that has tested both and prefer Transmitter? I just dont want to pick it if activating it is tricky (even with weakaura)
signal gyro
transmitter blows
oblique trail
I've used Transmitter since week 1 and think it's blown way out of proportion how bad it is to use
signal gyro
worst trinket i've ever had the pleasure of equipping
clever belfry
xd
jovial coral
I've used Transmitter since week 1 and think it's blown way out of proportion ho...
jump 3 times bro
oblique trail
People either just don't care to use it properly even if it doesn't take a lot of effort, or they're just incredibly lazy and are willing to take a big loss
nimble ermine
People either just don't care to use it properly even if it doesn't take a lot o...
probably this
most likely
oblique trail
I just killed Queen again
velvet obsidian
classic build or 45s roar ?
I've never used 45s roar so I don't know what it's good at personally
smoky vale
no
clever belfry
People either just don't care to use it properly even if it doesn't take a lot o...
me when
signal gyro
you haven't had your orb go into her devour
oblique trail
Ok but you know how the trinket works right
oblique trail
The pad/ball always spawns front right of where your character is facing
So you can pre-plan where you want it to spawn
clever belfry
Ok but you know how the trinket works right
i am the origin..
nimble ermine
is that sikran
clever belfry
yes
oblique trail
i am the origin..
I'm going to blow you up 
nimble ermine
wtf fury not lower than aug?!?!?!?!!?
signal gyro
let me spin on it to get the trinket to spawn in a specific spot constantly, or just take a trinket that has a normal use
nimble ermine
this chat said it does less st than aug
smoky vale
wtf guys FURY IS UNPLAYABLE
WHY ARE YOU HANDFED GEAR
clever belfry
WHY ARE YOU HANDFED GEAR
cause im a humanoid at the game and in on every boss?
errant parrot
The pad/ball always spawns front right of where your character is facing
Dont understand you. Do you like transmitter or not? 😄
oblique trail
let me spin on it to get the trinket to spawn in a specific spot constantly, or ...
Me when I simply REFUSE to do more damage for a very slight convenience
oblique trail
Dont understand you. Do you like transmitter or not? 😄
I think it's a good trinket and that it's fine
signal gyro
Me when I simply REFUSE to do more damage for a very slight convenience
Now you're getting it
clever belfry
i dont like the trinket, but the shortcomings are so minor compared to how much dam u gain 👍
errant parrot
I think it's a good trinket and that it's fine
Would you pick Hero Transmitter over Myth Skarmorak?
orchid dagger
Me when I simply REFUSE to do more damage for a very slight convenience
TFW pvp trinks don't have any of this bullshit attached
median tide
guys i need your help im 619 and my dps suck, x)
smoky vale
cause im a humanoid at the game and in on every boss?
JOKING, GIVE ME YOUR AUG NAME SO I CAJ LOOK AT LOGS
oblique trail
Would you pick Hero Transmitter over Myth Skarmorak?
Personally I'd use hero over any myth track trinket except a myth track Transmitter
If that tells you enough
smoky vale
anda my aug has r0 ara kara 12
errant parrot
Personally I'd use hero over any myth track trinket except a myth track Transmit...
Think I get you 😉
gloomy creek
kind hill
What about the new raid trinkets?
oblique trail
Think I get you 😉
On a real note, yes the trinket is good and when you get used to how it works, it's really no issue. A Heroic Transmitter is better than even a Myth track Mark/Shard, as the 16k mainstat during your CDs is miles better than 6k~ Mastery
People who fuss about how awful it is genuinely need to get a grip
smoky vale
plush raven
I tried AM yesterday on H Ovinax. It felt so good having BS for all the Add phases
smoky vale
it is very good
errant parrot
On a real note, yes the trinket is good and when you get used to how it works, i...
Thanks! 🤩
upbeat plume
they are going to be about even from what archi said so play your preference
jovial coral
People who fuss about how awful it is genuinely need to get a grip
yeah grip this :pantsgrab:
oblique trail
yeah grip this :pantsgrab:
plush raven
yeah excited for next week when the am buffs go life
ITS GETTING BUFF?
upbeat plume
sorta kinda, so they are buffing bt and rb damage by 30% (but not crushing or bloodbath) so it brings up ams relative power
basically archi said they will be within 1%ish of eachother after so its a good place to be
for both types of folks
nimble ermine
I FUCKING LOVE UPTIME GRAHHHHHH
smoky vale
upbeat plume
I mean were still an uptime slave its not that much less on RA
nimble ermine
anything that will remind me of slayer from lost ark
upbeat plume
welcome to melee life unless your a ret paladin
nimble ermine
oh how i miss her
oblique trail
You will feel it infinitely more as AM than RA
next ruin
raidbot tells me to drop on rank of armored to the teeth for thunderous words as 45s roar slayer build (11k more in dungeon slice) what do you guys think
plush raven
W + Ratio + I'm spinning + Wasting rage
smoky vale
plush raven
oblique trail
As AM not only do you lose damage from missed casts, your CDs are also taking longer to get back
Which depending on the context, could lead you to missing casts you'd otherwise would have gained from AM, especially important gained casts, like on Broodtwister
(Or Sarkareth if you want an older example)
winter shoal
raidbot tells me to drop on rank of armored to the teeth for thunderous words as...
Good for low keys, probably not good for higher keys, bad for raid (except Ovinax)
next ruin
yes forgot to mention, it's for 8-11 keys
winter shoal
I'd keep ATTT then personally
smoky vale
gz mutou
smoky vale
weekly quest
barren coral
no shot
summer quail
ye
smoky vale
yes
warm crag
I just killed Queen again
no warrior has killed queen ansurek since the fury nerfs
oblique trail
no warrior has killed queen ansurek since the fury nerfs
STOP
I HEAR YOU SPEAK THIS AS YOU TYPE IT
FOOL
frozen portal
Why does blizz hate us and love DK
barren coral
is there any hope for one final revision of the balance patch
topaz wolf
Referring to the recent M NP DPS rankings: If Blizzard wanted to buff Fury's single target without simultaneously buffing its AoE, couldn't they do something like, "Rampage damage is increased by 15% against its primary target?" That way, its cleaved damage isn't increased, but it's still a ST buff?
barren coral
or we just gonna take this nerf and respec with the exp buff?
barren coral
Referring to the recent M NP DPS rankings: If Blizzard wanted to buff Fury's sin...
why not just buff both anyways since we're lacking in either categories unless the mobs die in 5-10 seconds :)
gilded pawn
Referring to the recent M NP DPS rankings: If Blizzard wanted to buff Fury's sin...
that’s not really intuitive for a spec like fury
The whole idea is being able to cleave your st rotation
But they don’t need to care for our sustained cleave right now
It’s not that great
So they could just buff ramp by 15% and call it a day
opaque lintel
oblique trail
If you care for parsing yes, if you actually want to do the fight properly no
topaz wolf
I mean, of course that would be nice. I just know Fury's single target has always been lacking compared to its AOE, so IF they had to buff one without the other, seems that's one way they could do it.
pulsar prawn
rogue "warrior is a bot" .. "youre playing wrong"
coarse nest
gilded pawn
I mean, of course that would be nice. I just know Fury's single target has alway...
They added a lot of levers this expac for st vs aoe
I would rather them doing more intuitively
vague copper
Is there anything out there that put marked target on a healthbar like groupbar or something?
barren coral
Is there anything out there that put marked target on a healthbar like groupbar ...
there is a weakaura that lets you mark anything by just scrolling your mouse over it
vague copper
My boomereyes have problem to click on a spec target when there is like 10 mobs+
I mean how to target a nipple for exemple
when there is like 10 healtbar stacked
vague copper
Yeah that works fine up to like 7-9 mobs
over that some of my target stack em self on top
coarse nest
Best you can do to my knowledge is check the “stack enemy nameplates” box on plater and then hope for the best
clever belfry
guys im running out of good upgrades...
jovial coral
636 weapon huh
unreal onyx
guys im running out of good upgrades...
get weap maybe?
heavy flax
guys im running out of good upgrades...
If i were you i would just upgrade everything to 639
unreal onyx
and get a better belt
calm quartz
unreal onyx
gottem
hardy cargo
619 bracers noob
unreal onyx
623 worm ring
clever belfry
get weap maybe?
i do have wep as u can see
unreal onyx
2, in fact
clever belfry
but since im not playing prog as fury this week i didnt spend crests on it 👍
unreal onyx
what boss you prog at
clever belfry
silken
oblique trail
Silken Courtussy
eager thorn
have combat pots broken today or smth
my macro isnt using them anymore and i haven't changed anything
unreal onyx
are you in possession of pots
unreal onyx
I don't get it
fresh yacht
noob question as i'm prot main: i crafted a 619 weapon but have a 551 offhand. should i be arms until i get a good second hand?
smoky vale
oh
fresh yacht
no? how does tht work? 619 only does more dmg than (619 + 551) / 2
smoky vale
i gave up after i typed the lyrics bc i have poor reception atm
versed coyote
no? how does tht work? 619 only does more dmg than (619 + 551) / 2
Speak to the robot
fickle bluff
no? how does tht work? 619 only does more dmg than (619 + 551) / 2
not comparable like that
fresh yacht
how do I "speak to the robot"?
versed coyote
flat river
Beep boop
smoky vale
sim yourself
flat river
Silken Courtussy
slim grotto
are they changing powerful enrage in next week's patch or that was just rumor?
young swan
nothing about powerful enrage is changing
floral dove
better fuckin not
slim grotto
is there any scenario where frenzy > powerful currently?
south kayak
Pure ST fight
barren coral
in your joy of playing
wary fjord
Sim, but usually ST
slim grotto
thank you
velvet obsidian
in your joy of playing
Real
mental swan
guys im running out of good upgrades...
tmog could use major upgrade
verbal dragon
guys im running out of good upgrades...
Time to crest and valorstone farm all day
elder granite
does anyone have SPR wa
verbal dragon
😄
clever belfry
tmog could use major upgrade
L
smoky vale
anda when will you return to mdi
unreal onyx
mdanda
clever belfry
no
modest condor
tmy, anda, wallife, herudra and deswind should make an mdi team
unreal onyx
roidstack philwar anda xan and benzai should make an mdi team
inner shadow
can anyone tell me how to claim character on logs?
clever belfry
tmy, anda, wallife, herudra and deswind should make an mdi team
bruh
smoky vale
go to wcl
inner shadow
https://www.archon.gg/wow/articles/help/getting-started
cuz i want to private my logs
how is that done
wet wraith
only normal sikran but damnit, should have ignored the last blade set
smoky vale
cuz i want to private my logs
read and find out
quiet geyser
roidstack philwar anda xan and benzai should make an mdi team
Roidstack. I miss that guy
unreal onyx
real
quiet geyser
Cope is kinda the new roidstack though
inner shadow
read and find out
i did, it isnt helping
unreal onyx
he will never be him
orchid dagger
Cope is kinda the new roidstack though
Bootleg Roidstack
quiet geyser
he will never be him
I dunno, listening to him has the same intellectual equivalence of watching paint dry
eternal sundial
i did, it isnt helping
i mean first u need to have an acc and connected to blizz
inner shadow
where the fuck is the add missing
eternal sundial
seems like u dont
placid lagoon
Hey guys, can you help me out with rings? Currently I have 610 PVP ring with Haste+Mastery and Band of the Ancient Dredger (Crit+Haste ring with socket mastery). Should I change the pvp ring to Umbriss Band 619? (Crit+Mastery)
eternal sundial
or ask their disc
quiet geyser
Bootleg Roidstack
Roidstack without the roids
eternal sundial
Hey guys, can you help me out with rings? Currently I have 610 PVP ring with Has...
sim
unreal onyx
I dunno, listening to him has the same intellectual equivalence of watching pain...
it is kinda funny
when semi-clueless people try to engage
coarse nest
Curious, would you droptimizer sim 1T 5min in full st raid build?
Debating the best way to upload droptimizer sim for raid loot
I’ve been comparing 1T 5 min against 5T 1.5min in cleave build just for my reference
But I have to upload a 1T 5min
unreal onyx
I just use slayer aoe 1T 5min
coarse nest
I just use slayer aoe 1T 5min
Ngl I actually got more value out of some items doing this haha
unreal onyx
I use that build in propably 80% of the raid fights
and propably (not confirmed) is similar upgrades as thane
quiet geyser
when semi-clueless people try to engage
My fav so far was "week 3 AOTC is harder than getting CE" 😅
eternal sundial
surely someone simmed it already 😄
why the fuck would i sim specifically your chars current option
unreal onyx
My fav so far was "week 3 AOTC is harder than getting CE" 😅
that was a very good one
sand crest
My fav so far was "week 3 AOTC is harder than getting CE" 😅
no shot someone actually said that
unreal onyx
"if you don't have aotc in week 3, you don't deserve it"
eager thorn
smoky vale
"if you don't have aotc in week 3, you don't deserve it"
mfw im 4/8m and no aotc 🙂
coarse nest
Can’t wait to start Ovinax prog tomorrow without the myth weapon that dropped for tank
coarse nest
Oof not even one!?
smoky vale
🙂
eager thorn
Yep
eager thorn
We had both main tanks leave
coarse nest
We’ll have two
eager thorn
And ig just couldnt find any bdks
coarse nest
Best of luck!
eager thorn
:)))
coarse nest
Gotta be insane without BDK
smoky vale
they should force the worst 2 dps after today to play blood
eager thorn
Thinknits only been killed 3 times without bdk so far
frank rover
ok
so whats all this pogging around mountain thane
i tried it and it does more overall damage
but its worse cuz u cant burst as well
coarse nest
We sat a rogue for a havoc and our vengeance is swapping to BDK just for brood
So we’ll have 4 DKs in on brood prog
Lmao
Grips for all!
quiet geyser
mfw im 4/8m and no aotc 🙂
Wait what?
little flower
Quick Question. Do we DROP Execute in Mountain Thane M+ ?
coarse nest
Negative
little flower
yeah. cause of that it feels like we drop execute ;D
smoky vale
i have not killed queen
eager thorn
but its worse cuz u cant burst as well
Not worse if you dont need burst
quiet geyser
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/85347319
Lmao did your guild just say fuck it to queen?
frank rover
pinnable
quiet geyser
They get better and better
smoky vale
Lmao did your guild just say fuck it to queen?
no i quit guild i was in and am trialing in another
unreal onyx
pad as hard as you can
shut echo
you guys run frenzied enrage or powerful enrange in mythic+? i really like frenzied in my opinion
smoky vale
never killed it
frank rover
is it cuz i did 22 6
smoky vale
🙂
young swan
how do yall parse on queen
convince your guild to let you solo web tombs and p3 adds