fury

[flat river]

did u guys know that warriors have a decurse

[sick jungle]

Myth weapon in vault

Queen ring from the quest

[sick jungle]

My yearly luck is done i ain't getting shit now

[flat river]

it's 3 min cd but still a decurse

[sick jungle]

Why can't it be a 1 or even 2 minute cd

[proud vessel]

you mean

[flat river]

holy shit stoneform is fucking OP

[sick jungle]

Bro it's so good lol

[flat river]

like

magic too?

you're your own healer

[lament lagoon]

will this sillychest piece come in handy?

[hexed basin]

What's the difference between the Everforged Greataxe and the Claymore? About to craft one of the m...

[hasty tide]

No difference between any crafted 2h str wep

Just cosmetic and different mats

[flat river]

get sword

looks cooler

[fluid terrace]

Im an Enh main, but is Fury as bad as people say? I see alot of doomerism about the spec, but I wanna play it because it seems fun as fuck.

[eager stirrup]

What do you guys think? I can get these two trinkets from my vault. I expected the Ara-Kara to be the no-brainer choice but it's simming lower than the Skarmorak Shard.

[flat river]

dooming is because we got nerfed 5 times

[hasty tide]

Fury is fine, people doom because we catch nerfs while "not meta"

While dk, rogue, and enhance are generally preferred in the meta over us

Going unerfed

[storm rune]

This is why I despise the bottled "All races are basically the same, play what you like" Like no, there's a reason certain races are so prevalent in m+

[fluid terrace]

My problem is rogue and dk are boring as hell

[storm rune]

From a pug perspective, you also have to deal with people who simply can't perform well on rogue/enh

[olive wraith]

For 99% of the player base race doesn’t matter

[flat river]

i play human because im based

[hasty tide]

I play maghar for transmog

We are not the same

[flat river]

also because all mogs are made for humans

or around the human model

[hasty tide]

Orc bis model, gloriously thicc

[maiden needle]

any fast cast sequence macro for nuking adds on broodtwister?

[storm rune]

See now that's just disingenuous and exactly what I mean

[olive wraith]

How so

[flat river]

i mean it's either human, orc, dwarf, or tauren

only models that are good

[dire vigil]

Except for Demon Hunter and Hunter sets lol

[olive wraith]

Do you need to be dwarf/nelf to time 10s?

[flat river]

highmountain tauren is also debatable

[hasty tide]

You don't need to be anything to time a 10

Just have a pulse

And that's debatable

[flat river]

and for female models only Nelfs, Velfs, Belfs

[gaunt moat]

I've been wanting to become a dwarf warrior but paying 30 euros is thief

[flat river]

REAL

[olive wraith]

Character race only really matters for like the top top content

[flat river]

its racists that we need to pay money to change our race

[hasty tide]

Just become a dragon boi next week anyway

Faster movement speed, cc ability, no knock back or fall damage

[gaunt moat]

Idc about racials i'm not doing high end m+ i just wanna be a dwarf because they're cool

[short cobalt]

/use Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Thunderous Roar

is reck first or avatar?

[gaunt moat]

Reck first

[short cobalt]

ah thx

[sleek badge]

for high key pusher, do you really need to play MT ?

[wind torrent]

Reck/Charge/Rampage/CDs

[sleek badge]

I saw a lot of top warr are playing lsayer

but I heard their group are playing around their burst

is MT mandatory in PUG

ngl the gameplay is gay af comapred to slayer

[oblique trail]

[wind torrent]

Play whatever you like

[oblique trail]

Idk how you somehow connect gay and a playstyle

But no it's not mandatory to play MT

[frank dawn]

MT def not mandatory, and if you're playing lower keys Slayer is def just as good if not better

[sleek badge]

I want to have the best DPS in PUG, whats do you think about 22 october ?

Slayer still playable ?

[oblique trail]

Yes it'll still be playable

[sleek badge]

i hope so

[wind torrent]

Both are playable

[sleek badge]

fr I hate MT

[oblique trail]

Idk don't play MT then

[frank dawn]

give fury 5% aura buff

trust

[sleek badge]

Do we need to use WW as MT ?

[wind torrent]

you mean revert

[sleek badge]

TO get the most DPS ?

[frank dawn]

[oblique trail]

In very very niche situations you'd use WW

[sleek badge]

So its like

0.5% dps at best

[tardy lark]

is mt mountain thane or am i cooked

[sleek badge]

using WW w/ MT

[oblique trail]

Bro I don't know

But just have it bound if you care about a very small optimisation in ST to press it

Or don't

It wont reasonably change anything for you

[timid burrow]

Yeah

[sleek badge]

k

i'll retry mt then

but slayer damn

the blast full burst mamacita

ravager kekw

cringe spell

[oblique trail]

I think your mentality is a bit cringe but we don't all get what we want

[timid burrow]

This conversation has too many brain worms for me lol.

Play what you are comfortable with and what gets the job done in your situation

[sudden tusk]

slayer is easier to play tbh

i just think thane is fun

[tardy lark]

psychopath behavior not just calling it thane

[nimble ermine]

i cant believe im gay for playing thane

finding out new things about myself

[edgy plaza]

Currently got GB trink at 619 (4/6) and Shard at 619 (6/6) I need help team

[restive peak]

Sacbrood is giga BIS

[pulsar quest]

Brother that’s a win

[restive peak]

All high groups play around their cds

[pulsar quest]

Mythic sacbrood without a question

[restive peak]

MT will be a decent chunk better w AM in 11.0.5, right now they're basically net equals with slightly differing strengths

[weary sail]

If you dont get sac istg

[edgy plaza]

Don't yell me dad

[mental swan]

feel like this is more of a flex than an actual query

[south kayak]

How come

[tidal kindle]

Base RB/BT getting big buffs

Means AM skills do more damage

[eager stirrup]

Guys, please help. I thought I had a for sure choice this week with the Ara-Kara Sacbrood but simming for all 3 of my specs, it's ranging about 600-1200 dps behind the Skarmorak Shard. Is there a reason I should go with the Sacbrood that's simming slightly lower?

[proud vessel]

Sharmorak is also really good

[proud vessel]

I think its that we dont want 2 on use

So 1 sacbrood and other trinket is sharmorak or khadros

[south kayak]

Oh I thought he was talking about thane vs slayer AM

[eager stirrup]

True, so if I happened to get one of those then I will have made the wrong choice hmm.

[eager thorn]

Prob do for ovinax

[eager stirrup]

So y'all think I should pick the Sharmorak or Sacbrood? Sacbrood is good and lazy.

[south kayak]

Is AM build gonna be using frenzied or powerful enrage?

[proud vessel]

u play m+ or raid?

[oblique trail]

Frenzied

At least I'm 99.9% certain it's just a default Frenzied pick for AM

[eager stirrup]

Both, actually, but I'm still working on getting up in M+ like I was in Legion/BFA

[south kayak]

That would mean a lot less burst

[oblique trail]

You play Powerful on Broodtwister because it's just straight up burst damage you want there

[south kayak]

But at least with frenzied you line up cds better

(I think)

[tidal kindle]

Wonder if higher natty haste and powerful is the move

[proud vessel]

then sack

[oblique trail]

You don't need Frenzied to align CDs there

[tidal kindle]

Cuz mastery/verse making up 20%

Is harder than haste making up enough for AM lineup

[oblique trail]

Shrug, would prob be some breakpoint where you'd consider Powerful > Frenzied but idk what it would be and I'm shrimply just gonna play Frenzied with AM

[south kayak]

I personally think you should pick skarmorak and farm Sac

Easier than SV

And less loot table

[eager stirrup]

Yeah, I was considering that too lol.

[frank dawn]

nuke powerful enrage

[eager stirrup]

Stonevault is harder

[tidal kindle]

🍤

[nimble ermine]

powerful is da poop

i fucking feel like a slug with it

[tidal kindle]

Powerful is fine

Just fi you swap back and forth

Powerful is jarring

[oblique trail]

I've played Powerful since Season start basically

[south kayak]

Powerful is 15% right

[oblique trail]

So idm swapping back to Frenzied

Yes

[frank dawn]

NUKE IT

[south kayak]

Should be nerfed to 10% ngl

[oblique trail]

?

Or just keep it at 15%

[eager thorn]

Put it to 20%

I think

[oblique trail]

People have complained infinitely about our burst being hurt

"Lets nerf it to 10% so we do less burst"

[south kayak]

I’d rather do less burst and more sustain

[oblique trail]

How does nerfing it help

[south kayak]

I just think Powerful is a big issue and it’s what’s gotten us into this place with the amount of nerfs we got

[tidal kindle]

I don't think

Powerful is the issue

[oblique trail]

Powerful is not the culprit

[tidal kindle]

It's an exacerbater of the issue

[vague copper]

Raid is

[tidal kindle]

But powerful or frenzied

You get all your damage off in 3 gcd

3 w/ powerful, 4 w/ frenzy

But same duration of realtime elapses

[pulsar quest]

I ran frenzied for like 1st week

Now I run powerful on almost everything

[tidal kindle]

Frenzied is actually better for pad

[south kayak]

I run frenzied for st

[tidal kindle]

If everyone is fighting over it

[pulsar quest]

I have enough haste at this point powerful feels fine

[tidal kindle]

Cuz you get your aoe gcds out faster

[pulsar quest]

Well yeah I’ll run frenzied on st

But how often is that

[nimble ermine]

idk 20% haste with it doesnt feel that good

not to me at least

[fierce acorn]

what enchant would you put on your 2nd crafted armour, is it just writhing armor band again?

[nimble ermine]

maybe if i get more haste base

[gilded pawn]

well the main difference is that powerful is actively your burst CDs (bladestorm/odyns mainly) stronger, while frenzied just makes them take less time to cast

[pulsar quest]

You can’t do 2 if you’re doing weapon

[eager thorn]

You only use the armour band if you have weapon embellishment

[oblique trail]

You only use Writhing Armor Banding if you have Ascension

2x of the banding does nothing

[eager thorn]

And you can only have 2 embellishments max

[gilded pawn]

and if the adds are dead in before both odyns out then you cant pad either way

[tidal kindle]

Roar dot ticks also scale off haste

[final birch]

I havent had consistency I needed without frenzied

Also roar

[fierce acorn]

ok, what else do i do then

[final birch]

Ye

[south kayak]

OF too I assume?

[final birch]

U get 1 mechanic

[gilded pawn]

ye ik that thats why i left roar out, and most pad adds dont live the whole duration

[final birch]

And your recj is fucked

[oblique trail]

You don't have to use a spark immediately

[final birch]

Of has full usage

[oblique trail]

Or just craft an item with no embellishment

[gilded pawn]

yeah but OF is weighed heavily on the initial hit compared to roar

[pulsar quest]

What pad adds are we talking about here

Like rash?

Or brood

Cause I definitely have time on brood

[final birch]

Idk frenzied>powerful for brood

Imo

[pulsar quest]

Huh

You crazy

[oblique trail]

I am not a believer in Frenzied

[pulsar quest]

I would be surprised if you find one person in the top 50 except for critcake running frenzied tbh

For brood

[oblique trail]

Frenzied is arguably only good if it's the difference between you aligning Reck for adds or not

Which the only set where it'd rough is the first add set

[pulsar quest]

And I think if crit had run powerful he would have gotten a 100

[south kayak]

I wonder if we’ll use OF for AM

I want blizzard to buff Onslaught already

[tidal kindle]

Crit is the only aoe-r in his raid for brood

[south kayak]

[tidal kindle]

He 100% should have not run frenzy imo

[south kayak]

Onslaught literally does less damage than OF

[tidal kindle]

0 cannibalizing of AoE from raid

Powerful big value

[pulsar quest]

For us it’s basically me and my frost dk

[oblique trail]

Crit also just doesn't like Powerful

[pulsar quest]

So I’m definitely running powerful

[livid marsh]

just remove onslaught, most boring ability

[oblique trail]

So he doesn't run it

[pulsar quest]

Exactly

He doesn’t like it in any content

[south kayak]

Yeah I don’t powerful either

[pulsar quest]

But I bet if he ran it, he woulda had that extra 200k and hit a rank 1

[final birch]

idk

[tidal kindle]

Okay but you're cappin my guy if you don't play powerful thane

BIG

[south kayak]

I didn’t decide to play this spec just so I don’t play with 15% additional haste

[tidal kindle]

[south kayak]

Such an idiotic decision to include powerful

[pulsar quest]

Psychopaths

[south kayak]

On a spec like fury

[eager thorn]

[south kayak]

Fury’s main draw is high apm fast attacks

Let’s make them slower

[nimble ermine]

i want fury to be even faster

[final birch]

eh its kinda w.e I generally prefer powerful but for brood I found frenzied better

also for kyveza if I fall asleep that extra movement speed saved me once

kekw

[fleet wave]

does detatchable fang sim that high on ST?

[nimble ermine]

its a good st trinket yea

[livid marsh]

frenzied would probably get better if we use AM

[pulsar quest]

I just feel like I don’t struggle with getting abilities off with brood

Like

[livid marsh]

i honestly prefer the straight 15% damage amp with a 1 sec longer enrage

[pulsar quest]

I get all my burst off then your prio is rampage

Because you run AM on brood

So like getting off BB and CB isn’t a thing

There’s no priority after the burst

[final birch]

getting 1 mechanic can fuck you up

if you have powerful

[south kayak]

Poor CB/BB, won’t be able to get them off anymore

[pulsar quest]

Maybe, I just haven’t run into that yet, or I’ve just got enough pulls where it doesn’t matter haha

I also go reck - avatar - tr - of - bladestorm

So I use my of before bladestorm because if you use after adds will be dead by then

[south kayak]

Thane rampage owns

30% buff moment

[thick elbow]

so with the changes is am mtn thane the play for mythic plus

[south kayak]

It’s not up yet

That’s next week

[nimble ermine]

1 more week

[frank dawn]

AM will be strong for both hero trees next week imo

[nimble ermine]

am for slayer will be so fucked

[south kayak]

No, frick slayer

[thick elbow]

o my bad

[nimble ermine]

bladestorm cd will be funny

[pulsar quest]

Did Warcraftlogs change the rash adds yet

[south kayak]

No

[pulsar quest]

They said next partition idk when that is

[south kayak]

Also next week

[oblique trail]

They change it with the Anniversary patch

[pulsar quest]

Ahh okay

Single target on reclear it is 😈

[nimble ermine]

be ethical!

[south kayak]

Lmao

[sour wing]

how much haste should we be sitting at with fury

[south kayak]

Listen to your sims

Doesn’t matter

[ancient ridge]

[teal badge]

Mandate over Transmitter?

[rotund ginkgo]

hi guys :3

[rotund ginkgo]

transmitter better afaik

[south kayak]

Hi

[mossy fox]

ja

[oblique trail]

meow

[south kayak]

clappa

[tardy lark]

🐱

[south kayak]

Are silken nerfs any big

[oblique trail]

For prog yes

[tardy lark]

gonna take off a lot of wipes to people either not soaking orbs or soaking too many orbs

[oblique trail]

You often find yourself dying because 1 missed orb, which would otherwise wipe your entire red/blue team, since they're already on 2 stacks

[tidal kindle]

@bitter palm

CLAPPA

[south kayak]

What’s the approximate cdr of am

40 seconds reck?

[hasty tree]

Are there hidden bis items in the event raid Blackrock Depths or is it rather good for equipping twinks?

[forest owl]

i've been somewhat struggling to get recklessness up for every add pack on brood, using powerful enrage and actually holding cds on pull, i use odyns fury and roar and keep everything else but some reason im still sitting at 5-6s on recklessness after adds being up for 2-3s, is this normal or am i messing something up?

using rampage at every opportunity

[tidal kindle]

Can send reck 2-3s early if that's the case, run lil more haste, chargeweave a bit, run SD over another talent for more rage gen/bs cd

Many options for minor adjustments

Or just run frenzied

[clever belfry]

Frenzied is balls

at that point id just accept to not have reck for smallies imma b honest

[forest owl]

use reck a lil earlier thats it, never thought about that

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

Depths is cheat code

...

Swear I'm not coping

[clever belfry]

depths of INSANITY

straight in the name

[south kayak]

Can confirm

[clever belfry]

banezi u should

[oblique trail]

I am insane right now

[south kayak]

It’s insane

[clever belfry]

late join our lobby

[oblique trail]

Nyo :3

[clever belfry]

wtf...

[south kayak]

I am deaf

[oblique trail]

I am currently partaking in the activity of: being on your own and listening to music

(and helping friends with keys)

[south kayak]

Based activity

[tardy lark]

aagaardagain requires services

[oblique trail]

Keep the demon away from me

Schmidt might be lenient but I will shoot on sight

[tidal kindle]

Pile on

[mossy fox]

nerf powerful buff fury

[static rock]

Does anyone use mercurial egg in raid or mythic+?

[restive peak]

^^^

[honest sundial]

Buck Flizzard

[tardy lark]

explode

[oblique trail]

[tardy lark]

[oblique trail]

You aren't in Sabotage

I have no obligation to help you

Think I paid back for the vouch by sharing a bunch of weeb shows

[sullen dove]

blow up

[unreal onyx]

detonate

[bitter palm]

JA CLAPPA

[keen kindle]

So

Interesting thing I just noticed that I'm not sure if it's a bug

TC gives WW stacks even without hitting something

[tidal kindle]

?

You're hitting the ground

[unreal onyx]

[oblique trail]

TC does not just randomly give stacks unless you hit a target

[keen kindle]

Oh

[unreal onyx]

maybe you hit a lil critter

[keen kindle]

I hit a critter

LOL

Nevermind

I'm a fuckin moron

[unreal onyx]

lil guy got exterminated

[keen kindle]

I am sorry to the squirrel I just murdered in Dornogal

[bitter palm]

im not

bro got CLAPPED

[tidal kindle]

@ smart people
Is there a way to make a tclap/ww macro?

This doesn't work

[bitter palm]

by CLAPPA

[oblique trail]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/cast Slam

[bitter palm]

u can throw in slam as well if u dojt have imp ww

[tidal kindle]

.. /showtooltip

Was issue

[bitter palm]

[oblique trail]

Indeed that would be an issue

Tired so I didn't notice either

[bitter palm]

noob moment

[tidal kindle]

Wait nvm

Doesn't work evne with #

Jk I am not dumb

In fact I am very smort

[oblique trail]

well

Just use the macro I sent

[bitter palm]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap 
/cast [known:12950] Whirlwind
/cast Slam```

[oblique trail]

Swaps your filler to whatever you need

[tidal kindle]

This doesn't work either

[bitter palm]

hoooly i sent the same macro as banezi didnt even notice

[bitter palm]

skill issue idk

[oblique trail]

odd it works for me

[tidal kindle]

[bitter palm]

swap to garms...

[tidal kindle]

Yah it just

Only gives me slam

HUH

[oblique trail]

hm

Try and relog

See if it works then

[bitter palm]

gfury.

[oblique flint]

Which 4 slots do we want for tier?

[bitter palm]

...

[tidal kindle]

Relog not work

[safe juniper]

Has anyone turned inn the 3% buff

i did but it shows 0

not 3%

[karmic crow]

in any world would engi helm > crafted haste/mastery helm?

[tidal kindle]

IT's a thane only macro

I wanted to be able to use for arms too

[elder granite]

25 SVs no shard

[tidal kindle]

Joever

[oblique trail]

oh

err

Was not aware

In key rn so can't help

[tidal kindle]

[hasty tide]

rip

[sly zenith]

UUUUUF

[forest owl]

just logout and delete the game with that vault

[hasty tide]

mythic + only life is fun

i feel rewarded

for my time and effort

[sly zenith]

Lmfao

[gaunt moat]

Got that in my first vault aswell

But the bracers had a socket at least

[sick jungle]

What did you guys craft as your 3rd/4th item?

[forest owl]

if you're guild is struggling to kill adds on mythic brood, is it better to play frenzied or powerful? i'd assume powerful but im not 100% sure

[sick jungle]

I'm thinking ring

[odd whale]

I'm not sure what the play is for me. I got 3 pairs of mythic pants in vault which i already have + heroic Queen trinket. I already have heroic transmitter + mythic sac. Not sure if i take socket or just pick up the queen's trinket for specific cases/arms.

[gaunt moat]

Good night everyone may the better continent get good tomorrow morning

[brittle crow]

do i take the hero track anub'arash's colossal mandible

[quiet geyser]

Powerful is just better on brood. If you see a top warrior playing frenzied its just because they hate powerful and refuse to use it

[brittle crow]

or the hero track gear-a-rang launcher

[brazen olive]

is taking myth track tier helm over pants smart decision for just ilvl increase since hard to get to silken and chances of getting decent helm from GV has been ass

[oblique trail]

They both have the same stat budget and reasonably the difference between any off-piece is minor

So picking head > legs now if it's the better immediate gain is fine

You'll want both on myth track eventually anyway

[brazen olive]

makes sense thank you, debating of crafting belt or something for now possibly

[brittle crow]

yaaa its gear-a-rang time i thinks

[oblique trail]

If you're gonna craft something, do it with your runed crests

Gilded crests are better spent just upgrading your myth gear

[brazen olive]

ok cool

[brittle crow]

so dont use gildeds on hero pieces

[quiet geyser]

If you have heroic rings still, getting high ilvl rings is worth

[brittle crow]

or does it matter cuz i'll get the crest discount

[brazen olive]

oh good call @quiet geyser

[oblique trail]

You'll just lose out on 1 upgrade basically

[hasty tide]

does the ring recraft cheese still work ?

[brittle crow]

a

i can wait then

[quiet geyser]

Jewelry is currently stupid good to upgrade asap

[lean heart]

fellas..

[brittle crow]

cloak bad TBH

just dont take more than 25% of ur health in damage

id rather have dps

[brazen olive]

I have 2 619s atm and one of them is ringworm

[quiet geyser]

You get it at max ilvl without having to spend a single crest lol

That alone is giga good

[brittle crow]

"max ilvl" but whats the stats equivalent to

since it has less stats

[brazen olive]

first boss cape pretty good if you can get

[oblique trail]

Picking cloak means you'll never swap your cloak off reasonably

And it's 1 less person to contest it

[lean heart]

its higher ilvl and the one i had i had 619 so

[odd whale]

plus if you do get a better stated cloak later, it's free to upgrade

[oblique trail]

Like personally I don't really care if another cloak would technically be a .5% upgrade

The Rashanan cloak has a defensive value tied to it

[lean heart]

tru

[quiet geyser]

Doesnt matter. If anything, getting a special proc item on a low stat prio equipment slot is REALLY good

[mossy fox]

639 rasha cloak is a rly good vault item

[brittle crow]

damn a 519 gear-a-rang launcher sims only 1.5-2k ahead of my 609 meat hook

ig i take socket?

[misty frost]

Skarmorak Shard > Ritual Knife right? Just curious because my sims are telling me different and they're the only 2 good options in my vault =/

[brittle crow]

or i take ringworm to get both rings hero track

damn this is hard the robot doesnt tell me whats best for the future

hero gear-a-rang replacing champ meat hook, or hero ringworm replacing champ olden signet

prob the ring maybe

[oblique trail]

It's all hero gear

It really does not matter that much

[brittle crow]

so socket

[oblique trail]

It's on a farmable track so you're not gonna lose out on anything rare

[brazen olive]

ringworm is pretty good

[brittle crow]

socket it is

[brazen olive]

ye w/ sockets

[snow edge]

Interesting choice

[brittle crow]

u have an opportunity to talk me out of it

3 paragraphs minimum tho

[snow edge]

Too much pressure, all I was going to say is - you can farm 2 good dungeon trinkets, where as there isn't a heavy mastery / haste ring option from dungeons

[brittle crow]

a solid point

[snow edge]

Simplistic take, doesn't factor in if you're raiding / have access to heroic and mythic loot pools, or if you're going to craft a ring; but the stat split on the ringworm is solid

[quick mango]

mandate or mythic track legs?

[brittle crow]

i AM raiding

and idk if i should craft

i have crafting anxiety

[nimble ermine]

how

[barren coral]

its a shit system but just craft a weapon to get used to it

people in trade will work for any tip

mats are about 30-40k nowadays

[brazen olive]

so is rashanan ST still for logs?

[oblique trail]

Yes

Until Anniversary

[brazen olive]

ok

[oblique trail]

But please do not go ST on Rashanan

[barren coral]

they changed their mind or?

[final birch]

Adds do have to die

[oblique trail]

yes

[final birch]

Playing fury and not padding there is outrageous

[brazen olive]

I am usually only one on adds sadly so I have no choice

[fierce acorn]

where can i find up to date 11.0.5 class changes?

[oblique trail]

They will change it back, but likely remove allstars, when Anniversary drops

[barren coral]

no clue whats all stars

[final birch]

The moment they changed it on logs suddenly everyone is full st on reclear

[barren coral]

but im happy we'll see fair dps tracking

[final birch]

No reason at all

[oblique trail]

Allstars is a point system you're given based on your parse on a fight

[barren coral]

sounds sweaty

[oblique trail]

They're then added up together and you're given a rank for your spec overall in a raid tier on a given difficulty

[steep lynx]

got treacherous transmitter in vault and sureki zealots insignia how shit is it using that trinket ?

[oblique trail]

Well yeah, parses are inherently sweaty by nature for those who care about them

[steep lynx]

not sure which one to take...

[summer quail]

pretty good

[barren coral]

seems pointless as a pug only player

[vagrant dagger]

not shit if youre familiar with the content

[final birch]

Still shit

[barren coral]

your raid dps impacts the overall score way more than your personal dps

[final birch]

Sim it either way

[oblique trail]

Welcome to parsing

[thick elbow]

whats the WA for transmitter that anounces what u should do

[barren coral]

my first HC ansurek kill i blue parsed with top dps

[oblique trail]

But a large part of it is also just how good are you

You can have the best setup in the world to get a good parse, but be mediocre at your spec, and then not actually get a good parse

[heavy dock]

but i will, those adds surely arent important if wlogs said they dont count right?

• for hc i dont think anyone cares

[barren coral]

or have an incredibly average pug clear experience with loads of early deaths and mediocre players

and definitively not get a good parse

[winter shoal]

Banezi just protecting their heroic parse surely

[oblique trail]

Early deaths are genuinely good for your parse most of the time on add fights

The more people that are dead, the more damage you alone can do to adds

[winter shoal]

I had all purples in df s1 in pugs

And I had never done heroic raid before

[oblique trail]

Like no offense, but I don't think you have a good enough grasp on raiding and parsing to really know much about it

[barren coral]

i had 4 purples on my first xpac too pugging only and i played like 2 months total

[barren coral]

dont care to know either

[oblique trail]

Ok 👍

[barren coral]

i use WCL just to check dmg logs

which i found stupid to be skewed with such a personal take on how rash should be logged

[mossy fox]

we're all shit

[winter shoal]

ALL of us?

[oblique trail]

I am in fact quite shit I feel this tier

[brittle crow]

ive got a guildie who can craft em

im just worried about crafting the wrong thing

[summer quail]

real

[mossy fox]

yes

[winter shoal]

Same tbh I have somehow regressed like 50% since s3

[brittle crow]

i dont have enough gilded crests to craft a good wep yet anyways

[oblique trail]

(Compared to what I usually feel is a good standard for myself anyway)

[hallow cipher]

is stonevault trinket better than the grim batol one ?

[mossy fox]

you went from blues to oranges

what are you now

[oblique trail]

Currently purple averager this tier

[mossy fox]

damn

[oblique trail]

With 1 100 and 1 99

[summer quail]

how high purple tho?

[mossy fox]

2 steps forward 1 step back

[heavy dock]

i got my 99 on rasha N and im happy about it

getting 100s in retail seems way too rng

[oblique trail]

92 average

[mossy fox]

2 steps forward again soon to become the new emote

[oblique trail]

If I'm not 95 average then I am shit in my mind

(healthy mindset)

[summer quail]

eyy same

tho i haven't killed as many bosses

[lament lagoon]

Don’t worry we’re all grays in the bigger picture

[eager thorn]

i dropped to 89 cos of rash log :/

[heavy dock]

i need to learn how to use the wlogs app cuz my queen kills dont get logged by a grp of 20 ppl somehow

stuck with a shit 87 on her.

[clever path]

I know I'm only level 21, but this rotation feels clunky. What I like to do is learn the order of my spells ahead of time so that when I get to a higher levele I already somewhat know the rotation. But, like.. this is feels off. Right now" Charge - Bloodthirst - Raging Blow - Execute - Slam or Whirlwhind as filler.

[heavy dock]

and somehow 96 avg lol

[clever path]

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[summer quail]

level as arms, fury leveling is so bad

[young swan]

yeah fury is the worst leveling spec in the game

[heavy dock]

how so

i leveled a fury recently to see how it is and i had a lot of fun lol

[young swan]

we dont get our spender until level 25

no cleave until level 33

[heavy dock]

do u need it tho

[young swan]

yes

lol

[heavy dock]

mobs die to 3 wirlwinds

[young swan]

the entire spec is focused around rampage

[clever path]

Not true.

[heavy dock]

ok but at lvl 20

do u need it?

[young swan]

it literally doesnt function until you get it

[heavy dock]

guess im just better then

[young swan]

"need" doesnt matter, its about play experience

[heavy dock]

i was pulling like 10 mobs at once without issues

yea sure but dont expect much while leveling

[summer quail]

not true for what? that you need rampage? coz you definetely do

[young swan]

wow man thats cool and has literally 0 bearing on new player experience

[heavy dock]

lvl 80 and lvling are night and day

in retail

[clever path]

No, not true that a mob dies within 2 whirlwinds

[heavy dock]

• hero talents completely change specs

i said 3 and they did for me around that lvl

guess its heirlooms

[young swan]

bro is trying to speak on new player experience and has heirlooms

[summer quail]

but seriously level as arms you're gonna have a much better time @clever path

[clever path]

Yeah I don't have heirlooms.

[heavy dock]

i mean what do u want from lvling in a mmo like retail, it's gonna be mostly shit

when so much of every class is locked behind talents

[modest condor]

it doesnt have to be

just dont spec fury

[clever path]

Sucks that we have to level as arms and then have to remaster another spec later on.

[young swan]

basically either thug it out until you get rampage and the spec actually functions or just swap to arms and experiment with that for a bit

[fickle bluff]

i always level as arms (from 0) because fury levelling is a steaming pile of shit

[heavy dock]

my advice is to turn back while u still can

[barren coral]

why not just level on prot so you get insta dungeon queue pops

[heavy dock]

that too

prot is fun lvling

[barren coral]

its more fun than questing for sure

[heavy dock]

and prob deals more dmg than both specs lol

since tanks at low lvl brr

[barren coral]

questing in old xpacs on retail is so unfun

[clever path]

I'm questing in Legion.

[barren coral]

just did entry questing for DK for the first time

[frozen portal]

does it seem impossible to get good 9 groups now? is it cuz everyone is knocking down to 8 for easy gilded and 10s for vault?

[clever path]

Starting the Warrior class hall stuff

[barren coral]

and i can tell it was probably really fun on release

[clever path]

I'll just thug it out till 25.

[barren coral]

but man its so dogshit now

[heavy dock]

it was fun in cata when i did it

[barren coral]

it really needs a lot of players in that zone to feel fun

[heavy dock]

i mean retail is just max lvl

[barren coral]

because the "city" youre razing feels soulless with how few buildings there are

[clever path]

So for now I can just do charge, raging blow, slam and execute when it procs for now.

?

[heavy dock]

pretty much

[clever path]

Alright cool.

[heavy dock]

but u wont be using slam at all soon

[clever path]

Right.

[barren coral]

yeah it doesnt get much more complicated than this later on either

[clever path]

What about bloodthirst?

[heavy dock]

its gonna be basically

rampage into raging blow/bloothirst

oversimplifying it

[clever path]

Alright.

[heavy dock]

but ull get big cooldowns that do a lot of aoe burst that take threat off the tank ;d

[gloomy patrol]

Where is the most up to date source to learn fury rotation?

[clever path]

Well I am running the Slayer AOE build. (Mythic +)

Well eventually I'll have the whole kit lol.

[pseudo dawn]

you can run slayer or thane

both good

[coarse nest]

Refresh my memory, 2h weapon discount applies after the first weapon correct?

[heavy dock]

theres a lvling build that tells u when to put what

[clever path]

Hmm okay.

I just heard that the Slayer AOE was highest sim right now.

XD

[heavy dock]

well thane became better in high lvl m+

but slayer is ahead in raid yeah

[young swan]

#dps-faq message take your pick

[clever path]

Gotcha, but leveling build is different then.

[heavy dock]

id recommend against looking at m+ talents for lvling cuz it usually has extra utility options

not much

[clever path]

Alright.

[heavy dock]

prob just takes less group cooldowns/stuns

[clever path]

The leveling fury build is in the dps faqs?

[forest owl]

for the guys that have done or doing mythic brood, during adds who should be CCing adds, cause im getting shade in my guild for not using shockwave when im trying to blow up the adds and im the only fury and we have no fdks so i feel like i need to blast even more, so spending gcd on cc feels int

[heavy dock]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/dps-leveling-tips

[past pivot]

Link to the wowhead leveling guide is there

[heavy dock]

this might be the worst leveling page out of all the specs ive seen

and i think ive lvled like 15 specs since tww launched

[celest sierra]

Next week Dracthry looking strong for warrior race

What yall think

[past pivot]

We'll see

[heavy dock]

good one

[celest sierra]

Sour + glide + double jump + wing clap which is more cc in a sense

[heavy dock]

ill remain a zandalari chad ty

[sick jungle]

Did y'all craft a ring?

Or craft something else is the play

[past pivot]

god no

[heavy dock]

evoker warrior sounds like the most cursed shit ever

[celest sierra]

Also I’ve been using mandate over transmitter and honestly I think mandate is better

[past pivot]

Weapon and belt/wrist seem to be the play @sick jungle Liek the guides recommend

[summer quail]

ehh we'll see, the mastery bonus is nice i suppose but i don't think the knockback is that special. nor do we need any extra mobility

[celest sierra]

Movement is everything my friend lmao

[sick jungle]

Nah not embellishment stuff

[rotund ginkgo]

mutou

[sick jungle]

Just what to craft with the 4th spark

[heavy dock]

4th

[sick jungle]

I'm thinking ring

[past pivot]

W/e you need. Sim it

[heavy dock]

we just got 3rd now no?

[sick jungle]

We got 4th last week

[summer quail]

and in what way do we lack it? please tell me, do you struggle as a warrior with charge and leap? coz i certainly do not

[past pivot]

NA gets 4th today

[rotund ginkgo]

is Stone Bolt from the mobs in stonevault random aggro or is it on target?

[heavy dock]

i crafted engi bracers cuz 1k amstery lol

[balmy shore]

ANY WEEKLY WINNERS

[heavy dock]

if its the totem adds, its target

[past pivot]

More speed is always good. Can even go avoidance or lousy leech if needed

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah the stoneshapers

[celest sierra]

We don’t and I’m not saying we struggle at all with it but more movement won’t hurt at all

[covert blaze]

why are you on prot spec bro

[sick jungle]

I got the queen ring

[celest sierra]

Especially now that we can glide etc and double jump sheeeeeet warrior boutta be unstoppable

[past pivot]

I got a rock. Well, not yet but I will

[sick jungle]

Nice transmitter

[summer quail]

coz that's the biggest argument to go dracthyr imo, classes like priest benefit a ton

[rotund ginkgo]

its QOL/extra dam

basically

will probs be bis raid

and be decent for m+

in combat mobility warr is unmatched for melees

out of combat mobility

[balmy shore]

i did my fourth dungeon as a heroic dungeon so i could finish before raid ok!!!!!! i was not waiting 10min in queue!!!!!!

[celest sierra]

Yeh the mastery buff will be huge with the passive

[summer quail]

only if it sims highest, for warrior it will live and die by the mastery racial

[covert blaze]

you played a real spec and then got a good piece

coincidence? i think not

[celest sierra]

Tho I love they let dracttry stay in visage form but worgans still get forced changed in combat

[clever path]

Thanks you guys.

Appreciate it.

[past pivot]

Worgens need to be punished for playing worgen

[pliant jackal]

i got two mythic rings from vault -_-

[celest sierra]

My Druid is a Worgen specially to cause of the racial to get another movement speed ability on top of Druid movement already lmao

[clever path]

I mean, B elf doesn't really fit warrior either.

And I am B elf.

[bold peak]

one you have your weps, any reason to stay in loot spec of arms?

[quartz tulip]

sniped for 50k

[fickle bluff]

theres 0 reason to be fury loot specced

[mossy fox]

yuge

id pay 50k for that any day

[celest sierra]

Arms look spec better cause u don’t run the risk of getting shield or 1handed weps

[quartz tulip]

listen i love rag players

[celest sierra]

It takes them out of ur loot table

[quartz tulip]

they love gold more than loot

[pliant jackal]

damn

wtf

[summer quail]

scamming some poor person with that price

[rotund ginkgo]

smf loot chance

[bold peak]

roger that, thank you

[balmy shore]

yo true......

[rotund ginkgo]

hi jackie

hi mutou

:3

[final timber]

Do we take cyclone for Single target

Over Brutal Finish

?

[summer quail]

hi ragish

yes we do sedith

[rotund ginkgo]

my feral got a dc mid boss on skarmorak

😦

[balmy shore]

hi ragish

[rotund ginkgo]

coulda timed

:((

reached last boss with 3 mins

[covert blaze]

@rotund ginkgo

no hi for me?

i am inside your skin

[dire badge]

where my hug ass

[feral ivy]

lets goo 3 weeks of farming

[runic pine]

I'll hug your ass

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-gif-19453289

[worthy carbon]

could anyone kindly give me an opinion on skarmorak vs sureki? simmed and it claims neck is a pretty substantial dps loss but see a lot of ppl talking about how good it is on here https://i.imgur.com/bAve4ol.jpeg currently have 626 emergency stop keychain

currently using 619 sacbrood and mark

[eager thorn]

id prob take shard

[feral ivy]

FUCK i thought thunderfurry was 2h... omg

[runic pine]

neck harder to get, but it's also only heroic

[past pivot]

thunderfurry lol

[eager thorn]

you already have 626 neck and you'll regret not taking myth trinket when you want it later

[runic pine]

^

[eager thorn]

i took sureki neck cos it was also like 16 ilvl jump

[runic pine]

639 neck gonna likely be better than 626 sureki but 639 sureki giga nice

[tepid solar]

Do you get a piece of tier for getting 2k m plus score this season? Used to be called mark of mastery or something

[worthy carbon]

ty for your input ❤️

[pulsar quest]

Yeah a heroic piece

[tepid solar]

Ok ty

[eager thorn]

make sure you buy it from the right dude, cos theres an npc next to the pve gear that sells champion pvp gear

[rigid stirrup]

just timed a siege 12 as thane but had to aug it up to do so

was close in DPS to the frost DK doe

only 300k diff between

[pulsar quest]

In what content

[celest sierra]

Used it in raid , def felt better using it on bosses and I feel like even in keys on bosses it will help our ST

My off trinket is sac-brood

[pulsar quest]

It’s 100% better in ST but it will definitely not beat transmitter in any cleave

[final timber]

cant ever parse higher then 98 on Princess fight

[pulsar quest]

If you really want a pure ST one then run both tbh

[tepid solar]

Ok thank you

[slim grotto]

imagine...getting loot

[pulsar quest]

Just be your guilds top dps 😏

[slim grotto]

ok let me swap FDK

[rigid stirrup]

I'd argue running it on silken cause damage amp makes it giga

[pulsar quest]

Yeah that damage amp for mandate goes crazy

[slim grotto]

if you have transmitter is it safe to say you will never use shard or mark?

[pulsar quest]

I think transmitter/mandate may be BiS for like silken and queen

[rigid stirrup]

I'd say so if your tarnsmitter is on hero track and above

its a tiny bit of a learning curve to keep it consistent but once you do it pumps

[slim grotto]

Ya I think out of a few hundred uses last week I only missed 2-3 from bad placement

Ty

[pulsar quest]

I was using it on brood for a while until I finally got sacbrood

[slim grotto]

I just didnt know if after a certain ilv if Mastery > STR

[final timber]

you guys do Queen on Slayer or MT?

[young swan]

slayer

[honest sundial]

frost dk

[summer quail]

only fight i do mountain thane is silken court

[final timber]

wait really? Silken as MT

fuck I should have tried that

[rigid stirrup]

I might run MT on silken once my raid gets there

[summer quail]

yeye, not gotten there on mythic yet but i tested it on heroic and it owned

[rigid stirrup]

you just running the M+ build on heroic?

[summer quail]

yuh

could probably have played better as well and used pots for a better rank

[quasi river]

anyone using ovinax's mercurial egg? Do I treat it like a passive trinket or do I try to min-max stacks with the active before my burst windows?

[eager thorn]

idt ive seen a single person actually using it

[quasi river]

my current trinkets are extremely dire and its that, hook, or a socket:

everything else isn't an upgrade

it would replace a champion transmitter, which I absolutely hate and want to get rid of asap even if it's theoretically a lot better

oh i also have a veteran 8 skarmorak shard in my bags that could go there i guess lol. But it's veteran.

[eager thorn]

idk what the meat hook does honestly but i'd take socket in that scenario

champ/hero trinkets are p easily farmable

[quasi river]

well you see

thats what I thought too

but it's week 5 of m+ now

🙃

[olive wraith]

I just got my skarm shard yesterday

After spamming GB/sv

Dreams do come true

[covert blaze]

lmao

[rotund ginkgo]

pala did less dam than me and the feral

the entire key

626 btw

sob12

[covert blaze]

if youre gonna be toxic go all the way

''pala screen off?''

[eager thorn]

Yeah rng sucks but the availability to farm it is big

Sockets arent too bad also

[fierce acorn]

so i have 2 crafted pieces including wep w nerubian, and the buff to that. i want to craft boots, do i not care about the embellishment ?

for 3rd piece

[eager thorn]

You can only have 2 embellishments so yeah you dont care

[fierce acorn]

tyty

[quasi river]

I just remembered i have a myth belt that needs a socket so this is definitely a socket angle for me yeah

[eager thorn]

Ye if you have a myth piece to put it on id definitely take it

[gleaming siren]

I would rather take Egg than Hook highkey

If you REALLY want to take a trinket

[quasi river]

yeah i dont think i was ever taking hook it seems horrible especially since I'm shifting to more m+ focus at this point

[gleaming siren]

Tbf I still wouldn't take Egg if you have any good socketable item

[oak pecan]

Anybody tested mountain thane with AM in the PTR with the BT/RB buffs yet?

[feral ivy]

i didnt know u can spell reflect the last boss of grim tentacles and make them disappear

really strong

[final timber]

hey I dropped Seal of Poisoned Pact but WB 613 Champion Track

its it worth equipping for the passive over a Heroic Ring

Circle of Bone 619

[past pivot]

Follow sims

[feral ivy]

got a 11 mist and not one person applying 😦 im 2492

[hexed wave]

Should we be using flask of Alchemical Chaos or Mastery?

[left elk]

I found that today you can reflect trees cast of overgrowth in mists too lol

[eternal lance]

[old hornet]

is the wildfire wick trinket considered pretty good?

just unlocked my first vault and not sure what to pick up, should i just go for highest ilvl upgrade? currently 575 ilvl

[wheat estuary]

do the webs on heroic queen count to parse?

[feral ivy]

are all the ilvl in the vault from normal or LFR?

[eager stirrup]

So, before I do it, I do Heroic raid and M+ (not that high keys yet, working on it). I now have 90 Gilded Crests. My best choice for using those is to upgrade my Charged Claymore to 636 and use it in my MH, right?

[feral ivy]

do u have any tier set? if not i would go for that

[old hornet]

warsculptor?

[feral ivy]

yea

[old hornet]

thanks, still trying to figure it out. just started playing again.

[feral ivy]

yea the rest are not good choices so i would've just gone for tier

[eager stirrup]

Could someone tell me if this is the best way to use my gilded crests?

[feral ivy]

i would

[eager stirrup]

ty

[old hornet]

✊

[valid pulsar]

guys do you play thane in m+ with titanic rage ?

[lime plaza]

Reset day for NA what items did you guys get?

[eager thorn]

Yeah

Think vicious contempt is like .7% dps higher but not rlly seen as worth it

[valid pulsar]

yep thats why i asked. saw a few wars play with it instead of titanic rage like crit for example

but in that case i just keep playing with titanic

[eager thorn]

Either is fine but i think tr is just a lot easier

[wheat estuary]

do the webs on heroic queen count to parse on logs?

[young swan]

should do

[valid pulsar]

the better question is why do rashanan adds do not count

[eager thorn]

They will on next weeks reset

[valid pulsar]

they reverted it ?

[eager thorn]

Will be yeah

[valid pulsar]

nice

[nova gust]

from the 4 dungeon weekly

time to go thane?

[young swan]

thats bis regardless of thane or slayer

[nova gust]

how often does the nature damage proc actually happen

[young swan]

doesnt really matter, it has a damage proc with 0 cost to the stat budget

just better than any other ring at a baseline

[nova gust]

oh yeah i get that lol I'm just curious

[young swan]

oh then no idea

[nova gust]

definitely using it regardless

[young swan]

its not super significant

its just extra dam

could just sim it

in quick sim, see the number of procs

[candid hedge]

we're a crap in the raid right now jeeeeez

[young swan]

whu

[candid hedge]

wrong sentence xD

[young swan]

we're fine in raid lmao

[valid pulsar]

another weekly quest for a hero track item this week ?

[nova gust]

wait...clap isn't even nature damage is it

[lime plaza]

Is anyone finding thane playstyle not as fun as expected?

[keen kindle]

yes it is

[lime plaza]

Or am I trippin

[nova gust]

the talent says phsyical damage

[keen kindle]

Also, is void pact stone complete trash?

[nova gust]

is stormstrike damage nature?

[keen kindle]

yes

stormstrike is nature and physical

[nova gust]

plater sct puts the text in green

ah ok

[young swan]

tblast and lightning strikes are

[keen kindle]

It's why the ring from queen is kinda juicy for thane irrc

[modest condor]

sorry im blind

[eager thorn]

[summer quail]

got sac for nature damage as well

[clever path]

Well I switched back to arms lol.

[eager thorn]

Is there a website to see how much dmg an ability would hit you for in a key

[north yew]

there 100% is but i cant remember what its called

ill try to find it

[modest condor]

not-even-close

[eager thorn]

Pog ty

Saw i survived the fear on a miniboss in db 11 and wanted to see what else i could tank

[modest condor]

you can live most things on a +11 tbh

[molten spire]

Is thane better in council or does slayer still win out?

[frail wasp]

Howdy all, wondering if there are any advanced resources for how to improve as a furry warrior?
Currently ilvl 609, and I feel like I am not meeting the DPS i should based on Raid boss simming.

[modest condor]

ive seen a lot of people try out thane on it this week

if there is a boss where thane is better it's definitely that one

[idle ember]

Is there any way to beat an equally geared ret pally

[molten spire]

he dies

[idle ember]

I swear every m+ I do with a ret pal I can never top them in damage

[eager thorn]

Be better than them

Equal skill + gear ret wins

[molten spire]

Well trying it out doesnt cost anything I guess

[eager thorn]

Costs pulls if ur on prog

[idle ember]

feel like ive been getting unlucky with lightning procs

[teal pine]

You can get any delve trinket in any zone right?

[celest sierra]

Pretty much depending on what ur other options are

[young swan]

thane

[keen kindle]

An orator of the same ilvl

And I....really fucking hate doubble on use

With skarmoc

For ST it's a 300 dps diff

[celest sierra]

Both orator and stone are pretty bad so honestly play what’s Simming higher for u if anything

[summer quail]

i really liked thane in the one hc kill i tried it on, does big damage

[celest sierra]

Void probs better actually

[brittle crow]

its week what, 5

and my guild just finished another normal run

ama

[summer quail]

a full one? not just last boss?

[keen kindle]

it's better in aoe

[brittle crow]

FULL normal

[keen kindle]

Loss for st

But personally I just hate doubble on use and would rather take a minsual loss then keep running them

[coral dock]

Are people using Mountain Thane in raid yet? or nah

[feral ivy]

anyone have a picture of the armor before vs after with this

i cant find any pictures

[heavy dock]

u get some lightning

[coral dock]

?

[summer quail]

only on silken court

[valid pulsar]

its just the lightning you have on the mythic set applied to the normal, heroic, lfr set