fury

[bitter palm]

i wish this gameplay was mine

[pulsar quest]

That’s just showing what he cast last for his stream

[bitter palm]

but im NOT doing 15s rn

[frank rover]

in whta context does one use 3 whirlwinds in a row

[bitter palm]

out of range

[dire badge]

blasting with mbg

[nimble ermine]

when not in melee

[marble swift]

[frank rover]

lmfao

[barren coral]

no range no fury no cooldowns no social life no money no timed runs

[bitter palm]

idk noxiv just rawdogging it

[fervent yoke]

tracking shit in fury is not the way of the zug

[gaunt moat]

the fact that their monk went rsham is a tragedy

[restive granite]

so ive been spamming 10s this week and i rarely burst higher than other classes, so is the OF nerf still going through?

[bitter palm]

2 mil overalls as slayer fury

cinema

[lean wasp]

so since they dk community doesnt want to reply, you guys know how to sim frost dk aoe ?

[gaunt moat]

yes

and the roar too

[radiant plank]

dungeon slice

[barren coral]

its just pointless like what are you gonna do with the information of your party taking damage or using cds

[gaunt moat]

you'll be dogshit and you'll be happy

[restive granite]

it makes no sense

[bitter palm]

to rally

idk

[barren coral]

unbinded

[bitter palm]

intervene as thane

xd

[pulsar quest]

So you know when to panic rally

That’s what I really use it for

[barren coral]

i dont help people they wont learn this way

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943906056483004547/943917451727474739/caption.gif

[gaunt moat]

insult them

[acoustic yoke]

^

[frank rover]

yessir

[acoustic yoke]

I use it as evidence of their crimes

[frank rover]

warrior is perfectly balanced

in +5-+6 keys

[pulsar quest]

Why is our OnlyFans getting nerfed

[frank rover]

average

[pulsar quest]

I barely have an followers

[gaunt moat]

your hunter dies with all his defensives and flame the healer

[bitter palm]

fuck of

[gaunt moat]

you flame the hunter knowing it

[bitter palm]

2x vc as thane

bind both ww and tc

peak gameplay

[frank rover]

wtf is TC

[acoustic yoke]

Clapping thunder

[gaunt moat]

thunder clap

[frank rover]

disgusting

[restive granite]

a fucking feral druid did a 10m burst on the first pull of threads

[pulsar quest]

I love clapping

[restive granite]

we had an augmentation in the group though

[bitter palm]

how is clappa disgusting

[gaunt moat]

still 3m less than fdk!

[bitter palm]

30m*

am thane is gonna go crazy

[restive granite]

i cant tell when ppl are being srs anymore on this discord

[gaunt moat]

[bitter palm]

never

[pulsar quest]

I play AM thane on brood prog

[bitter palm]

i thought boomies were f tier??????? wtffff

[gaunt moat]

???

dunno where you've seen this intel but it's false

[feral ivy]

whats the shammy ability to clear this affix?

[gaunt moat]

poison totem

[barren coral]

dgoshit boomies man when will blizz treat them right

[pulsar quest]

A warrior!! See they are meta!!

[barren coral]

onto something

[gaunt moat]

i had a revelation last night

[frank rover]

step 1 get a mists key

[gaunt moat]

why not make the warcry that removes fear stupefaction ect....

group wide!

[frank rover]

step 2 get 4 meta classes

[gaunt moat]

you saw it here for the first time when devs will make it (in 20 years) remember me

[fading sky]

Step 3 get a complete

[pulsar quest]

I find that queuing for keys as tank and then right before they keys activated switching to fury is the best way to get invited

[barren coral]

that will be 5 talent points sir

[bitter palm]

(sarcasm)

[gaunt moat]

oh mb

[barren coral]

did you not assist to the entire server not understanding a joke just 15 mins ago brotherman

[bitter palm]

they were supposedly f tier doing 0 damage and after a 5% aura buff they are suddenly blasting everyone

[bitter palm]

what

[barren coral]

nvm

[south kayak]

it took way more than oen buff lol

[dire badge]

noway

[bitter palm]

they got buffed twice or something and went up a lot more than what the buffs suggested

(typical boomie)

[radiant plank]

Never happened befor

[bitter palm]

disgusting behavior from some classes btw

hiding builds

not optimizing hero talents on purpose

[frank rover]

can't wait for our theory crafters to optimize our talents

[radiant plank]

(rets)

[bitter palm]

meh idk about rets

maybe herald got sandbagged idk

[gaunt moat]

ret bursting twice on every pack nothing to see circulate

[bitter palm]

has nothing to do with what i said

thats their design

30s cds

[radiant plank]

Templar got so sandbagged they took a week to start playing it in raid after buffs

[bitter palm]

idk templar lore

it was better then they found the herald build

[nimble ermine]

didnt templar just get giga buffed

[frank rover]

what is warrior lore

[nimble ermine]

last reset

[bitter palm]

i think templar got buffed yeah

[frank rover]

were the m0 lads pumping so hard

[radiant plank]

Yeah and nobody played it

[bitter palm]

ask yenny he knows prob

[bitter palm]

heroic

[nimble ermine]

yea and templar is now both good in raid and m+

[bitter palm]

on adds

buff enha i think

[nimble ermine]

yea fury just did its job a bit too well in hc

and blizz wouldnt let that slide

nerfs were warranted but yk

[bitter palm]

yeah but enha doing 9650485 million dps to the priority mob is fine

[nimble ermine]

gotta overreact

[bitter palm]

or fdk doing 5000000000000000000000000000 dps every pack too

[radiant plank]

blizzard when arms does good in s4 so we gotta nerf colossus

[bitter palm]

cinema

shows how disconnected they are from arms

[radiant plank]

Mortal strike -20%

[dire badge]

fk u buff ww

[bitter palm]

they buffed our tier set in s4

[frank rover]

in every expansion i ever played

[bitter palm]

s1 tier was already busted

[frank rover]

i have never seen arms above fury

[dire badge]

what

[warm crag]

where colossus logs on court

[bitter palm]

arms is very regularly above fury on st

rn arms is crippled by design and wont ever beat fury on aoe bosses

[radiant plank]

I stole them all

[bitter palm]

apart from idk primal council or something

where u play pad aoe

[frank rover]

condemn arms was the coolest shit

ive ever played

[bitter palm]

🪤

noway

[dire badge]

🪤

[warm crag]

unwise message

[bitter palm]

very unwise

[violet moss]

Should i do same enchants on both weapons

[oblique trail]

Sure

[nimble ermine]

i skipped sl and df but i remember fwar during EP being pretty fun

[oblique trail]

It just doubles the effect

[violet moss]

hooh

ok

[dire badge]

let’s hear from the professionals 2731+ io

[nimble ermine]

blood of the enemy my beloved..

[marble swift]

💯

[quiet geyser]

I'd rather hear from the guy who thinks week 3 AOTC is harder to achieve than CE

[eager thorn]

some day ill be a 2731 io player

[heavy dock]

with the general pug it prob is lol

[marble swift]

You ever try to pug heroic brood

[heavy dock]

i pug all my hc raid so yea i know

dont have the time/cba anymore to fit to a schedule

[marble swift]

I feel like the average wow player has 2 fingers and main specs a foot pedal

[heavy dock]

yeah

that's right

its like ppl who died every pull to the first raszageth breath

[humble plover]

why u calling me out?

[marble swift]

Bc bro you costing me gold

[nimble ermine]

pugging hc queen

to get aotc

was not fun

[heavy dock]

it took me 4 hours ;d

[nimble ermine]

i think ive seen p1

100 times

[marble swift]

The whole fight is p1 and people can't stand in a god damn donut

[nimble ermine]

i didnt bother progging i kept changing groups

and then my hitler tank decided to taunt boss back on infest in p3

[heavy dock]

i hada good group dps wise so just went with it

lol

i didnt kill queen on reset day this week cuz i was lazy and now im suffering trying to find a good group who didnt kill her yet lol

[nimble ermine]

yeah gg

[barren coral]

what addons do you need to play tank

[bold pecan]

Hello fellow warriors!! Does anyone knows if we can spell reflect the unstable web on mythic ovivax?? Like to pre immune it like freedom or ams?

[heavy dock]

nothing technically

[coarse nest]

brain.io

[nimble ermine]

i wanted to pug first 4 on mythic but alas

only got 3

[modest condor]

you're not supposed to stand in donuts you're supposed to eat them

[heavy dock]

u pugged first 3 ? lol inv me next time

[nimble ermine]

shore

[heavy dock]

i only tried ulgrax a few pulls in a group and left instantly

[nimble ermine]

i got weapon so im chilling

[heavy dock]

ppl dying to dot dmg

[oblique trail]

You can pre-immune it with BS, or just leap out and charge if you get it

[nimble ermine]

surely i open vault and get sikran neck

[bold pecan]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[nimble ermine]

how to eat green queen donut

[heavy dock]

just hc leap over them lol

[oblique trail]

I would not recommend trying to pre-immuning it with BS

And just use BS when you have to otherwise

[nimble ermine]

do keep in mind that you need to leap out where there arent people

so you dont root them when you charge back

[oblique trail]

Yes

Ideally just leap into the black goo

It does no damage

[heavy dock]

the what goo lol

[nimble ermine]

the black goo

on ovinax

[narrow narwhal]

The black goo

[heavy dock]

oh on ovi

yeah

i just leap where there arent ppl and charge abck

died to spiders again .. lol

[nimble ermine]

lol aggro!

[heavy dock]

somehow tanked both spiders for nearly 10se

c

but on the last set i insta died

[nimble ermine]

i mean on hc they dont manhandle you that quick

but if ur tanks dont bother taking aggro

its gg

[hexed ridge]

hi all. is thane the go to for m+?

[heavy dock]

they do pretty quick if no cds lol

[hexed ridge]

or slayer overall better m+?

[heavy dock]

thane for m+

[nimble ermine]

depends

thane is good in higher keys, but slayer is also still really good

[heavy dock]

the higher the key usually the better thane is

[nimble ermine]

because burst

[marble swift]

That's what pugs do family

[hexed ridge]

ok ty, i will try thane

[marble swift]

Can we call people thane instead of king

[hexed ridge]

feels like fury slayer is kinda weak compared to other burster

[marble swift]

It's more thematic

[verbal dragon]

Not in raid lol

[hexed ridge]

no m+

[nimble ermine]

hes talking m+

[hexed ridge]

speaking about m+

[verbal dragon]

Ah

Yeah very weak in m+

[nimble ermine]

its not

[heavy dock]

its ok in m+, thane just pulls ahead on longer aoe

[nimble ermine]

where are people getting this info that slayer is suddenly bad in m+

thane and slayer are good for different reasons

[heavy dock]

cuz we follow the general thing lol, but yeah slayer is still ok

i personally am pulling better numbers with thane

[nimble ermine]

ur not pushing world first keys anyway

i mean yeah i have more fun as thane but i player slayer as well

[hexed ridge]

i dont mean its super weak, but when i see some marksman pala or monks

i feel sad xD

[heavy dock]

i have more fun as slayer tbh

[oblique trail]

Honestly you could play either one depending on what you feel like and do really well

[nimble ermine]

i mean its just how it is

[heavy dock]

but thane is ok too

[nimble ermine]

some classes are better

but fury is by no means bad

it just feels like ass seeing nerfs every week but its not like the spec is bad

[heavy dock]

it does

[gaunt moat]

i expect it to be bad if they don't revert the nerf of october 22th/23th

[nimble ermine]

yeah and most people arent doing 12+

so you can genuinely play whatever and be fine

[nimble ermine]

yeah well

for now we are ok

[coarse nest]

bro tier 11 delves as fury are wicked

[nimble ermine]

what do you get past 8s

like what cosmetics

[heavy dock]

nothing

[strong pilot]

Flex

[nimble ermine]

i see

[strong pilot]

You get a title at t11

[nimble ermine]

not going to bother then

[strong pilot]

You unlock zek ?? If you clear a 10

[nimble ermine]

i just need to get the candle hat

[strong pilot]

Which has the derigible

[coarse nest]

I got all the way to the end on T11 bountiful Nightfall Sanctum and the cult leaders absolutely eliminated me

as soon as ER wore off and i had no more IV i just got smoked lmao

[heavy dock]

what's elden ring er?

enraged regen ig

right?

[coarse nest]

Enraged Regen yeah

[heavy dock]

so many abrevs used int his discord sometimes my head makes funny sentences

[nimble ermine]

cb bt bb

[heavy dock]

i only read only fans when i see of instead of odyn's fury lol

[nimble ermine]

the cbt rotation

[modest condor]

yeah i had th same issue

those guys are impossible on a t11

[south kayak]

yo silm

[modest condor]

cant kick the bolts because you need that for the shield

[south kayak]

that bizentein puddle in GB

[modest condor]

and the frontals are impossible to see

[coarse nest]

yeah like idek if thats going to be doable with 13 more ilvl

they melt!

[next ruin]

those acronyms are both obnoxious and stupid, they should be banned for real

[oblique trail]

Or they should just stay and people can ask if they don't understand them

Typing Thunderous Roar every time instead of just saying TR or Roar can get old real fast

[nimble ermine]

we should use german names for abilities

[modest condor]

wirbelwind

[nimble ermine]

i do not knownajy of the german names

but i imagine rhey are fucked

[modest condor]

wirbelwind is the only one i know

[nimble ermine]

wirbelwind

not a real language

[hexed ridge]

xD

[gleaming siren]

Bergthan

[hexed ridge]

whirlwind in german

[oblique trail]

I think I will use Donnerexplosion

[acoustic yoke]

What?

[gleaming siren]

Let's DONNERKNALL

[oblique trail]

Or Schmetterschlag

[acoustic yoke]

Is that real?

[heavy dock]

is it that bad to type Troar or droar, wow u type 3 extra letters lol

i still call it dragon's roar, who tf calls it thunderous roar

[acoustic yoke]

Donnerexplosion?

[oblique trail]

Is it that bad to just ask lol

I call it Thunderous because it's called Thunderous

[gleaming siren]

it unfortunately is

[nimble ermine]

sjdjdjf

[heavy dock]

i mean id rather type 3 extra letters than a sentence responding to the question :D

[nimble ermine]

SCHILDSCHLANG

[oblique trail]

Right so you ask that question once

[heavy dock]

its not even thunderous

[nimble ermine]

BLUTDURST

[oblique trail]

Then you know in the future what it means

[heavy dock]

its very dragony

[acoustic yoke]

We taking it to the kebab shop with this one

[gleaming siren]

That's Döner

with ö

[heavy dock]

yea but doesnt answering that questioa few times per day get old? counter argument lol

[nimble ermine]

aufladungen

[gleaming siren]

the two dots are not optional

stupid englishmen

[gleaming siren]

stapelbar is crazy

[oblique trail]

Typing Odyn's Fury gets old real fast instead of just OF

[acoustic yoke]

We don't use two dots cause we're evolved

[heavy dock]

just type odyn

:o

[gleaming siren]

devolved maybe

[oblique trail]

Right

[heavy dock]

i can find a fix to all your problems dw

[oblique trail]

I think I wont

[acoustic yoke]

We grew up as a language

[south kayak]

me in the bathroom after eating a doner

[oblique trail]

And this argument is stupid

👍

[modest condor]

just like me

[acoustic yoke]

Fr fr

[oblique trail]

Abbreviations exist for a reason

[acoustic yoke]

Just like him

[south kayak]

yeah just like silm

[heavy dock]

its just that meme where it's some thing like : hey guys if we BB into RB and CB do we OF and TR to save up on the ER and SB or RA

[nimble ermine]

whats ravager in german

[heavy dock]

and some shit like that where it just devolves into a code lol

[gleaming siren]

Now imagine

[acoustic yoke]

Dragons

[gleaming siren]

if all of these were typed out

[oblique trail]

A lot of people who have played the spec enough know what the abbreviations mean

Or simply just asked beforehand

[heavy dock]

well sure but i can imagine its quite a nightmare for new players lol

but then again wow is a nightmare for new players and i advise anyone who didnt play before to just not lol

[acoustic yoke]

ER and SB I still get confused with but that's cause of class cross-contamination

[nimble ermine]

i think wow is more of the friendlier mmos

[verbal dragon]

Whats sb

[nimble ermine]

for newcomers

lol

[heavy dock]

shadow bolt! uh storm bolt

[acoustic yoke]

Bolt with the storm

[verbal dragon]

Ah

[gleaming siren]

Shield Block

[verbal dragon]

Storm bolt

[heavy dock]

shield block: D

see

the issue lol

[verbal dragon]

Lmao

[acoustic yoke]

Yeah but in context

[oblique trail]

Schmidismash I am going to ban you from ever speccing into Protection

[gleaming siren]

No

[heavy dock]

its where things have the same abrev

[acoustic yoke]

Who tf is using shield block as a dps warr

[heavy dock]

i know a game where theres SS and SS and SS and SS and they are all different things

[oblique trail]

Right

[heavy dock]

sorry SG but u get the point

[oblique trail]

But in context to talking about Fury

[nimble ermine]

the issue is

[oblique trail]

SB would mean Storm Bolt

[nimble ermine]

some people get annoyed by the abbreviations and some dont

simple as

[oblique trail]

If someone specifically asks me to type something out without abbreviations I'll do it sure

[acoustic yoke]

Ur free to abbreviate as you wish

[oblique trail]

But I wont do it on a regular basis

[nimble ermine]

i like to use dn

[acoustic yoke]

But so is everyone else

[gleaming siren]

hahahha the chinese stream on second monitor just went "ahhh ahhh ahhh wahhh ahhh"

[heavy dock]

deez nuts

[acoustic yoke]

No

Dreadnaught

Jesus

[nimble ermine]

no dn is arms ability

[gleaming siren]

SoA

[nimble ermine]

sword art online???

no vvey

[oblique trail]

Dreadnaught is the tier 3 set for warrior

[acoustic yoke]

You OK?

What is a good anime rahhhh

[nimble ermine]

frieren

just cus i said soa doesnt mean i watched it

id rather combust in flames

[acoustic yoke]

Mein frieren

[acoustic yoke]

Well soa doesn't spell sword art online

That's sword online art

[nimble ermine]

wait

oh fuck

[acoustic yoke]

[nimble ermine]

i have brain damage

this is how i find out

fuck me i didnt even fucking realize

ill never be 2731 like this

[weary sail]

[acoustic yoke]

Pick up the phone

Resto wants to talk

[heavy dock]

whats with the 2731 joke lol

[nimble ermine]

Ok so you’re talking to a 2731 io fury warrior and I’m telling you, you don’t really see the community problem til you’re up here king

[acoustic yoke]

Peak copypasta

[nimble ermine]

someone unironically typed this

[nimble ermine]

as a gotcha to banezi

its fucking peak

[acoustic basalt]

🤣

[barren coral]

it was ironic you guys just slow

was funny too

[acoustic yoke]

Didn't you delete the msg?

[barren coral]

until i saw that absolutely no one got it

thats not me

but

[nimble ermine]

unfortunately what you are saying doesnt align with my world view

[acoustic yoke]

Well whoever did

[nimble ermine]

so i am going to ignore it

[barren coral]

a reply like that

[oblique trail]

The person deleted their message yes

[acoustic yoke]

I dont think it was irony

[acoustic basalt]

Yea, kinda like saying something, then notice that people did not actually like it, and brush it off as a joke?

[barren coral]

is proving my point

[nimble ermine]

he also doubled down on it

[acoustic yoke]

Think that guy had ambitions

[nimble ermine]

defending his point

if tou are ironic

[weary sail]

What is the community problem

[nimble ermine]

you kinda dont back down

[barren coral]

no it was pretty much as obvious as jokes go

[oblique trail]

You can not just say stupid shit then brush it off as a joke

[acoustic yoke]

^

[nimble ermine]

the community...

[oblique trail]

When you were adamantly defending said stupid shit

[nimble ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-hit-jerma-slap-slap-jerma985-gif-5877194680309495682

[barren coral]

you can swap beetween being serious and joking

[nimble ermine]

he was having an argument

then said stupid shit

you cant downplay it as a joke

[acoustic yoke]

Bit of cope with that one

[acoustic basalt]

Hence why I wrote this 😄 typical XXI century play

[oblique trail]

Right so saying "I was joking" when multiple people call you out for said stupid shit is normal?

[nimble ermine]

you cant just go "haha guys im only pretending"

in the middle of an argument

[acoustic yoke]

Twas but an act of tomfoolery my good man

[nimble ermine]

jerking your chain!

[weary sail]

Just a prank bro

[barren coral]

dont think he ever said that

[nimble ermine]

right so

if he didnt say it was a joke

why do you think it was

[oblique trail]

No but you are heavily insinuating that they in fact were just joking, when they straight up deleted their message for being made fun of

[nimble ermine]

especially since he deleted his message

[acoustic yoke]

Reading between the lines to find nothing is peak

[acoustic basalt]

who said that ain't second account trying to COPE with situation?

[nimble ermine]

when people were laughing at his supposed joke

[acoustic basalt]

get it? Cope? joke?

😄

that is how you say it is a joke

[acoustic yoke]

[nimble ermine]

odyn's fury yourself

[acoustic basalt]

😄

[heavy dock]

hc leap off the edge some say

[nimble ermine]

fail nitro boots

[acoustic yoke]

Inhale a storm of swords if you will

[acoustic basalt]

nah not in line of sight, I'll just numlock myself to the edge and past thank you

[nimble ermine]

edging

[barren coral]

😐

[versed coyote]

Arguing whether or not copy pasta was srs is crazy

[gaunt moat]

stop ganging up he made a mistake chill now

[wheat estuary]

Don’t even know what’s going on but yall gotta chill

[humble plover]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-gif-10174413

[weary sail]

So is 2700 io not considered high anymore?

Me with me 2500 io and thought im doing okay

[barren coral]

i think not being able to understand how something that looks so bad it turns into a copypasta

is actually a joke

[coarse nest]

people are 3k now

[gleaming siren]

Why do I know the mage..

[barren coral]

does not help warrior stereotypes

:/

[weary sail]

Is it completing mostly 12s is how you get 3k?

[glad coyote]

kept up with a frost dk

[nimble ermine]

good job

[barren coral]

yugeee

[glad coyote]

dawn 10key to

[weary sail]

Enjoy the nerf next week for daring to match up to FDK

[unreal onyx]

overtimed 11 DB by 19s bc the visual of the officer orbs bugged and killed the casters

[glad coyote]

oof

[barren coral]

1.1m with aug :////////

[oblique trail]

Someone typing something genuinely silly and dumb, with no irony, is what turns it into a copypasta

[humble plover]

nerf ww too man

[nimble ermine]

heard ww is haste class now right

[barren coral]

you dont decide the existance of irony

but

[nimble ermine]

is it fun

[barren coral]

death of the author moment

[humble plover]

it is and i rreally like playing it

[oblique trail]

Neither do you for you weren't even present when the discussion was happening that brought it to life

[weary sail]

WW main stats used to be Vers no?

[nimble ermine]

looking to make one as well and since it plays with haste its even more of a bomus

[latent mason]

My point was you can’t really contribute to the conversation if you haven’t experienced it. We can’t get invited to anything past 11 because fury falls behind ret and fdk in every aspect was the discussion.

we were talking about getting invited to keys 12+ and you were saying the spec is fine and contributed nothing at all except saying the spec was fine and you have no problem getting into 10s. I’m glad it made a good joke for you guys though. I get you’re a mythic raider and considered an expert here but what you said had nothing to do with what we were talking about

[humble plover]

used to be

but they added haste scaling talent

[acoustic yoke]

Is this copypasta too?

[humble plover]

and now you want all the haste

[latent mason]

Sure lol

[oblique trail]

You very much can get invited past 11s so it's a moot point you're arguing for

[weary sail]

I mean you are not wrong. Why bring fury warrior in +12/13 when you can bring a FDK or Assa Rogue

[latent mason]

Thanks

[oblique trail]

Fury is in a fine position, and you can pug your way up to 12s as a Fury warrior and saying you can't is just silly

[barren coral]

getting invited past +12s as a nonmeta is far from a warrior issue

[oblique trail]

I don't have to be 2731 io to know this

[nimble ermine]

exactly

[latent mason]

Up to

[nimble ermine]

thay isnt a warrior issue

you play off meta

[barren coral]

you will be barred pug access as ANYTHING thats not sin/aug/ret/dk and maybe arcane mage

[nimble ermine]

dont expect good treatment

[oblique trail]

Above 12s right now is basically premade territory

[coarse nest]

does zekvir always suck you into the portal when hes at like 10% ish or is that a coincidince that it happened to me twice in a row now?

[barren coral]

its also like

fake content

you dont need anything past 10

[oblique trail]

I don't get why you're adamantly still defending this that Fury is somehow incapable of playing past 11s

When it very much is not the case

[gleaming siren]

That's just when you walk into the portal

[weary sail]

You can probs pug 12 as furry warrior if u have insane io and gear but above that good luck

[barren coral]

pushing keys when scaling becomes so ridiculous its just a personal choice

[coarse nest]

alright so i just mis played twice ina row got it, thx

[weary sail]

But fury warr isnt bad, just not meta and it is what it is

[acoustic yoke]

Higher keys have a meta? More news at 8

[oblique trail]

Like you're ilvl 624 and your io is nothing spectacular

So why should anyone indeed invite you in particular?

[acoustic yoke]

Plus ur dps

[barren coral]

we getting clapped in 0.5 for NO REASON tho

like how is target cap on our bleeds

doing anything but nerf m+?

[acoustic yoke]

Most congested group of players

[queen linden]

Idk. This thane buff has been great in m+. Idk why people are still complaining.

[acoustic basalt]

People will always pick meta classes over others, you may get invited to 12 or smth, but it will be a long queue time, and if some meta class happens to show up in queue, with similar rio, you know you are not getting in

[nimble ermine]

and you 100% do it too when you run your own keys

no way in hell you take an offmeta class over something better

do you take a feral druid over a fdk or balance

[weary sail]

I think Fury rn is A tier. Not as good as FDK and Assa Rogue but other than that its pretty good. But you will have hard time getting into 12s/13s as pugs

[gaunt moat]

every expansion it's the same debate around here

[nimble ermine]

i wonder why

war dps is not meta, color me surprised

[latent mason]

What I was getting at and I see that I sounded dumb there but I was saying as a fury pug you have 0 percent chance of getting into a 12 unless you already have some completed. I’m 626 just have prot gear on rn which is lower

Even if you’re considered “qualified”

[gaunt moat]

You guys have too much energy you should hit the gym to become warriors irl

[eternal sundial]

Tierlist mentioned -> ur bad

[nimble ermine]

but that is every other nonmeta dps as well

[radiant plank]

Ok so you’re talking to a 2731 io fury warrior and I’m telling you, you don’t really see the community problem til you’re up here king

[eternal sundial]

Ok so you’re talking to a 2731 io fury warrior and I’m telling you, you don’t really see the community problem til you’re up here king

[acoustic basalt]

do not forget utility, as other meta classes currently also have very good utility, and same / better DPS

[nimble ermine]

this isnr a fury only issue

[humble plover]

I was just talking about fdks this morning

[acoustic basalt]

than fury warrior

[acoustic yoke]

0 chance is definitely not true

[latent mason]

The 2731 bit was emphasizing that the qualification was there for getting into 12s

[bitter palm]

if u are pugging >12 thats on you

[weary sail]

I am bad. Im a casual get all my portals and call it a season. No time for me to push 3k io nty

[eternal sundial]

Especially then please disregard tierlist

[oblique trail]

And you sounded very condescending when you were pointing it out, that you couldn't possibly face any community based issues until you reach that point xd

[barren coral]

utility is fun for the player and some mid-key runs, aint no one giving a shit right now that fdk has a battler res or amz

[oblique trail]

As if I've never been declined for being a warrior to 9s and 10s

[latent mason]

All we were talking about is that the fact you can’t get invited due to ret and fdk and rogue is evidence that fury is lacking

That’s it

[nimble ermine]

ok

you seem to base your issues with fury just not being as good

[radiant plank]

I will personally reroll ret to decline every warrior ever to Q into my key

[weary sail]

🍿 we can agree to disagree

[humble plover]

No

[barren coral]

no

buff warr

rest my case

[weary sail]

Its good but its not meta

[latent mason]

Yes all we were saying was fury could use a little bump in utility or something to make it more enticing vs ret rogue or fdk

[nimble ermine]

let unhinged cleave and i wont care

[oblique trail]

As I said initially and will say again, yes Fury is not Ret or FDK, but we are fine as a spec right now compared to the vast majority of specs, and not just the outliers

[latent mason]

Which is what people say every expansion so idek why I’m typing

[barren coral]

every class that bitched about their nerfs so far got them reverted or compensated

never stop bitching

[forest owl]

bros asking for buffs while blizzard have another nerf lined up for us

[nimble ermine]

equally nerf the overperforming specs

[oblique trail]

You can pug your way up to, and including, 12s and beyond if you spend the time

[coarse nest]

just like any other non fotm spec, its harder to get invited

its just the way the system works

[nimble ermine]

exactly

[humble plover]

Who at blizzard do I gotta polish to be an outlier

[acoustic basalt]

with little to no utility fury should be big bumper in DPS, as that is all he brings to the table, it should not be possible for class to have everything, hence why you then get to choose what and how to play, and how to utilize it

[gaunt moat]

Don't forget when they make berserker rage group wide i said it here first

[nimble ermine]

sure buffs would be nice, but fury is in better need of a tree rework than buffs

[acoustic yoke]

Berserker rage lmaoo

[coarse nest]

thats already a talent

[queen linden]

I stopped pugging once I hit 9s. If you're trying to pug the top m+ content, you're wild. Maybe pug and use that as a way to find a stable group, but fully pugging your way in 13s is wild.

[acoustic yoke]

A shit one

[nimble ermine]

group wide not 12yards is what he means

[queen linden]

I don't see an issue with having content that isn't made for pugs.

[gaunt moat]

True but i said it here first

[acoustic yoke]

Doesn't even dispell most of what the base spell does

[queen linden]

At some point you need to man up and find a group of people to do content with and not rely on LFG for every key.

[humble plover]

That sounds like making friends

Gross

[queen linden]

You're not pugging CE, why would it be okay to pug title.

[acoustic yoke]

You could pog CE but it would be hell on earth

[weary sail]

People do pug for title

All the time

What do you mean

[bitter palm]

its infinitely harder

and requires

[weary sail]

true but still way easier than pugging for CE

[bitter palm]

infinitely more effort

[olive wraith]

Pugging 20 people compared to pugging 5

[weary sail]

pugging CE sounds borderline impossible

[queen linden]

but to say that warrior is in a piss spot because they aren't meta and can't pug title is childish lol.

[weary sail]

warrior is def not in a piss pot

[shell folio]

hey got a question for m+ iam switching from arms to furry and is it better to have the 2 embellishment versa or should i go for the Ascension buff ??

[forest owl]

i wonder what position fury ends up after aoe cap in m+

[queen linden]

Coulda fooled me. Large group of people in this discord think we are.

[nimble ermine]

yea

[sinful orbit]

Warrior just doesn’t get inv

[weary sail]

we have a small represenation in +12, still better than most specs

[wind torrent]

If you’re good at the game, you attract good players so it’s way easier to push title and form a push group vs pugging CE with 19 other pugs

[nimble ermine]

most specs dont get an inv man

[olive wraith]

This isn’t a warrior issue

[nimble ermine]

idk what to tell you

[bitter palm]

the only reason

fdk is getting invited is damage

[queen linden]

If you want to pug 14s and get invites, go roll a meta class

instead of crying in discord that we need buffs.

[wind torrent]

Or push your own key

[shell folio]

someone pls ??

[olive wraith]

Heroic throw should silence

[nimble ermine]

or just get a premade

[nimble ermine]

fury is better yea

as for embel you can do w.e

[queen linden]

If you're only doing m+, don't go for the ascension buff.

[nimble ermine]

if you're a m+ only player versa is good

[queen linden]

Too much down time between mob pulls, you'll just lose the buff.

[shell folio]

just the weakly hero clear

[olive wraith]

It’s decent for prio damage though

[nimble ermine]

if you mainly raid

get ascension

[olive wraith]

You’ll get more overall bang for your buck with verse in m+

[bitter palm]

vers is like

barely behind ascension anyway

[nimble ermine]

ascension is nice with a good tank

sorry didnt mean to reply

[bitter palm]

gives survivability not that it matters for fury tho

[nimble ermine]

but yea vers is just no work needed for it to be good

[night cedar]

slayer still decent for m+?

[nimble ermine]

yes

[night cedar]

ook

[acoustic yoke]

I dont slay no more except in raid

I clap thunder cheeks instead

[bitter palm]

noxiv timed a 15 mists as slayer

[queen linden]

If they kept warrior where it is now (maybe a slight ST buff) then I would say we are in a solid spot.

Both of our hero specs are viable

[nimble ermine]

slight st buff and cleave on unhinged back

[queen linden]

AOE sustain is solid

[olive wraith]

I think slayer is low key risky in pugs

[queen linden]

(as thane at least)

[nimble ermine]

but idk maybe rework our tree

[olive wraith]

Compared to thane

[bitter palm]

idk

RA slayer feels so shit

[acoustic yoke]

Unhinged cleave being taken is so shit

[bitter palm]

in m+

[nimble ermine]

i love my capstones as fury warrior

[bitter palm]

yeah same

[olive wraith]

Better than an slayer

[weary sail]

hate to break it to u but AMZ, grip, and brez are also insane utility compared to warrior.....rallying cry

[night cedar]

i feel i have less dmg as thane than slayer at m+

[bitter palm]

i love them so much im not taking them!

[night cedar]

idk why

xD

[bitter palm]

hate to break it to u but thats not why they are being brought

[nimble ermine]

thane is better in longer aoe

[acoustic yoke]

What kind of keys?

[olive wraith]

Warrior has one of the best aoe stops rn

[nimble ermine]

slayer is burstier

[bitter palm]

they are being brought cause they do 2x everyone elses damage

[night cedar]

9/10

[weary sail]

2x everyone else damamge

okay

[acoustic yoke]

If shit don't last then thane loses

[weary sail]

send me logs where FDK 2x everyone else dmg

[coarse nest]

So I just soloed Zek'vir on his hardest tier witch gave me the achievement but it didn't complete the quest "Zekvir, Hand of the Harbinger" anyone know why? maybe I have to do it on the easiest tier?

[nimble ermine]

no idea

[bitter palm]

Me when the task at hand is to be pedantic and annoying

[olive wraith]

Not many people log keys

[coarse nest]

I log every key I do

and raid

[acoustic yoke]

I dont because I cba remembering to

[olive wraith]

I only log prot keys

[weary sail]

still waiting send me the logs, ignore the fact that in high keys assas rogue often beat FDK in damage

saying u only bring FDK cuz damage is not correct

[acoustic yoke]

Hyperboles do exist

[bitter palm]

why did dks have 0 representation in keys in df

[summer crater]

Would've actually been really good if stuns didn't just make them cast one second later

[nimble ermine]

its still good though

[bitter palm]

apart from meerees playing uh for shits and giggles

[nimble ermine]

but yea the re cast thing is definitely one of the changes of all time

[olive wraith]

You’re not only stopping for that reason

[weary sail]

uh every melee has 0 represenation in DF??

not justDK

[acoustic yoke]

Unnecessary difficulty increase

[weary sail]

mage spreist every comp

[winter shoal]

ret

[acoustic yoke]

Rogue had representation

[nimble ermine]

i mean yeah when every spec has like 2 aoe stuns what can you do

blizz chose the most boring way to combat that

[acoustic yoke]

Yeah

[weary sail]

DF Season 4

[summer crater]

At this point it's almost better for just preventing the tank from dying in specific moments

[acoustic yoke]

Cause now we all suffer

[acoustic yoke]

Not the best season to choose

Cause a lot of people weren't even playing s4 or pushing at least

[modest condor]

after mop remix launched i barely touched retail m+

[nimble ermine]

mop..

surely mop classic

soon™️

[digital mauve]

what's the priority raging blast or bloodthirst

[acoustic yoke]

Raging thirst

[olive wraith]

Which hero tree

[acoustic yoke]

Wait raging blast?

You mean raging, thunder blast, bloodthirst?

[olive wraith]

Probably means rb

[digital mauve]

mouthan thane with 4p set

[acoustic yoke]

Or he could be talking about the dragon ball game

[digital mauve]

this yeah

[acoustic yoke]

Then blast prio

[weary sail]

this tierset has gotta be one of the most boring tier set ever

[south kayak]

MOP Classic might be coming, there was a datamined mount from a bundle, probably For MoP

Was a tiger

[acoustic yoke]

Most people's are boring tier sets

[south kayak]

with some green misty shit on it

[digital mauve]

I thoght BT had priority over RB...

[olive wraith]

It does

[weary sail]

MOP and Legion classic gonna go crazy

[modest condor]

i dont care about classic tho

[nimble ermine]

they also datamined a serpent sha mount

[acoustic yoke]

But thunder blast has prio over all

[modest condor]

remix gives me retail rewards, classic is a seperate game

[digital mauve]

I know but

Once there is no BB, no CB, No Thunder big proc

what's the prio BT or RB

[acoustic yoke]

Bloodthirst

[olive wraith]

Bt

[night cedar]

Guys how i sim m+? Dungeon slice?

[digital mauve]

ahhh

bt

[modest condor]

st raging blow aoe bloodthirst

[digital mauve]

that's what I thought

[acoustic yoke]

So you can proc TB possibly

What that guy Silm said basically

Whoever he is

[modest condor]

just some random guy on the internet

[south kayak]

a random guy on the internet with yellow color

means more

[eternal sundial]

Piss color in a land of shitters

Very distinguished very demure

[south kayak]

so real

[unreal onyx]

what are the drums called?

this season

[gaunt moat]

drums

(thunderous)

[lusty jungle]

basedd warrior

[sand chasm]

accept them.. prove the haters wrong

[unreal cosmos]

Hey guys I saw some ppl talking about AM at 11.5.0, is it because of the nerf to odyn or is there a buff to AM ? Can't find anything about AM in updates channel

[narrow narwhal]

Scroll up some more

[sinful glen]

in what channel? 😛

[south kayak]

HOLY

[keen fulcrum]

Sign up for 700 keys, declined. Try and queue my own, no applicants. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[chilly fractal]

What is your key

[keen fulcrum]

Mine's a 9 DB

[chilly fractal]

Dumb question but you do have it listed correctly right?

[marble swift]

The only two keys this season are mists and siege

What's db

[chilly fractal]

Dude Dawnbreaker is the best

[keen fulcrum]

Grim Batol though

[marble swift]

Huh

[chilly fractal]

My favorite dungeon this season is Dawnbreaker and it isn’t even close

[south kayak]

What old dungeons do you want to see in m+

[left elk]

Ragefire obviously

[unreal onyx]

I thought frost was meta? we should nerf fury more to balance the game

[dire badge]

hope they put theatre of pain and dos in the same season all 40+ min dungeons

[south kayak]

Imagine UBRS, key failed because group couldn’t find the 2nd boss

[left elk]

Oh and the cata one with all the portals with murozond at the end

Xd

[south kayak]

What about Scholomance

[marble swift]

Based

[south kayak]

Is the tank deaf

[marble swift]

They should put old raids into m+

Like firelands first 3

Spine of deathwing only dungeon

[south kayak]

More like old fated raids

[clever shore]

Hi I have a question, I'm seeing that for raid we still carry slayer and for m + mountain no? Is this correct?

[rare fjord]

idk about the latter, but the top rio fury is using slayer still in m+

[frank dawn]

they are pretty equal in M+ imo, just play the one you prefer or are more comfortable with

[signal peak]

Slayer is less buttons / easier rotation imo.

[unique locust]

are you using CDs on cooldown? or do you save CDs/Burst for some packs? i dont know if i have to send CDs asap or wait...sometimes i dont know if i am doing right..

[unreal onyx]

basically on CD

unless I know a pack will die within like 10s

[livid marsh]

what is the extra button?

[barren coral]

THUNDER

CLAP

[warm crag]

replaces ww

[livid marsh]

thats not extra

[barren coral]

you still gotta do it in ST, you also have to do it even with WW charges at times

[warm crag]

not really

sim casts it twice in a 5 minute sim you can drop the ww keybind and full ignore it

[livid marsh]

im surprised its cast at all

[warm crag]

you run out of things to do rarely

[signal peak]

Oh I was definitely thinking of the wrong hero talent tree. The extra button is Demolish from Colossus.

[livid marsh]

i would also say that thane actually has two buttons less to press than compared to slayer

[crystal coyote]

I am turbo annoyed with execute being so bad rn

[livid marsh]

youre not the only one

[crystal coyote]

can imagine

[mighty apex]

are we MT now for for 8+ keys?

[frank rover]

ill play warlock before i play MT

[livid marsh]

whats the hate

[frank rover]

hate thunderclap

most boring spell in the game

[livid marsh]

so is ww

[frank rover]

still feels better

[livid marsh]

at this point youre a troll

[lament hinge]

should buff reap the storm proc chance

[frank rover]

nice bait

[sudden marsh]

why do we take ravager instead of bladestorm with the M+thane build?

[livid marsh]

we dont have the slayer talents for it, and it uses BB for us during burst

[summer quail]

can cast abilties during it

[nova mural]

Is there a trinket list anywhere?

[sinful glen]

bloodmallet

[nova mural]

mmm is it only dps we are care about?

woops this is fury

[vague copper]

Team, cant rly tell the diff myself but.. Ravager before or after reck/ava

[sleek badge]

Is there any return of test of Slayer/Thane in M+ ?
I still see a lot of high warrior using Slayer

[coarse nest]

You can play either build right now and succeed

[scenic sun]

Slayer still has better burst.

[coarse nest]

slayer does more ST and higher burst

[scenic sun]

But overall, they are pretty close

[coarse nest]

thane does more aoe overall with longer packs

imo slayer is much easier to play as well

so theirs that

[frank dawn]

I think Thane is only clear winner at like 11+

[bitter palm]

thane has better prio, better aoe better survivability

[coarse nest]

Thane is alot of fun!

[sleek badge]

I tried Thane but it feels so weird, replacing WW but TC/TB

[bitter palm]

and is also clappa

autowin for being clappa

[earnest meteor]

thane if group bad slayer if group good

[coarse nest]

highest rated fury currently only plays slayer

also has coordinated group

[livid marsh]

yeah i think slayer is more favorable in coordinated big pulls

[coarse nest]

again, both are great options you can pick your preference and succeed!

[earnest meteor]

slayer bigger numbers

[bitter palm]

surely

[earnest meteor]

uga buga brain happy

[bitter palm]

slayer has bigger numbers

[sleek badge]

And also sometimes I have a TB proc but i'm not enrage and I don't have a WW buff up so idk if I should rampage to get enrage or just TB to get the WW buff and go back to rotation whil praying to get a new TB proc while enraged

[livid marsh]

i doubt slayer can crit 3 million with BB

[humble plover]

Crit this

[bitter palm]

theoretically you should ww

[sleek badge]

ff

gcd + to lazy to bind this

[bitter palm]

banezi ruined my day when i got this knowledge

[livid marsh]

play your rotation better, then you will never have that situation

[dire badge]

you would def ww then ramp then tb right or is this spec just cooked for eternity?

[livid marsh]

if you care that much about minmaxing then yeah you would do that

just keep enough rage to use ramp from pack to pack and then use tb

[winged sail]

are you playing with OF in raid?

[livid marsh]

especially if you play with VC and you dont have the luxury of OF enrage

[humble plover]

Maid why u asking about warrior you ain't gonna log in

[dire badge]

ain’t gonna na log in

my eu monka is blastering

[lethal onyx]

If I ever meet a wowhead article editor IRL I'm going to punch them in the face.

F****** posting pages of recipes that exist in the game but not how to obtain them.

Wow! How useful you copy pasted from the profession panel in the game onto the website so f****** useful.

[humble plover]

Betrayal

[real bay]

this gem is giving for each unique gem str and crit or only crit?

[fading bane]

crit effect

you get +0.15% crit effect per unique gem

which means the gem color

there are 5 colors, but you dont run the stamine one

[dire badge]

I might resub next week or something I’ve got a week off from work maybe I game with the boys

[livid marsh]

it reads as follows: (+181 Primary Stat) and (0.15% Critical Effect per unique Algari gem color) and not like (+181 Primary Stat and 0.15% Critical Effect) per unique Algari gem color

[dire badge]

[coarse nest]

MOVESPEED

[livid marsh]

ew

[dire badge]

Russians have never flamed me in keys (I can’t read what they are writing)

[livid marsh]

ive never even seen them talk

[nimble ermine]

they dont because they cant speak english

unironically most of them dont know how to speak english

[warm crag]

idk i can communicate with them just fine

no point generalizing an entire country's worth of people

[nimble ermine]

no trying to, i shouldve worded it better, but that's just how past experiences have been

i just find it funny when they try to flame and they start doing it in russian

[thorny shoal]

depends on what game imo, russians in cs make you wanna gouge your eyes out, in wow they seem chill

[livid marsh]

well there really isnt much of an incentive to learn it there, its tought in school its just that they dont use it and retention is obviously going to be bad

[nimble ermine]

they are the same in ow as they are in cs

[thorny shoal]

oof, maybe its the shooter games that bring something out in em

[livid marsh]

nah, most toxic games are probably mobas

and trust me its not tied to language

[quartz hare]

Have you guys switched to than at higher keys or staying slayer?

[signal peak]

Ravager is preferred over Bladestorm because it allows Thunder Blast to be cast at the same time

[gilded pawn]

You aren’t silencing yourself with ravager

[random bough]

are we still using slayer in raid?

[summer quail]

yes

[winged sail]

and when we use OF in raid?

[livid marsh]

pretty much on cd or when adds spawn

[winged sail]

i mean on which fights we pick up the talent

[summer quail]

any fight that has adds/cleave basically

[livid marsh]

you only skip it on pure ST

[marble swift]

If you need pure st you just get on your ret

[rough tulip]

go arms for st

[summer quail]

honestly for alot of people arms and fury sim pretty close. it's like 30k difference for me. if you have alot of downtime(like princess) if the difference is that small fury is prob better. more tanky and doesn't get screwed by downtime as hard

[winged sail]

@summer quail what to drop for OF, AJ?

[summer quail]

#dps-faq just copy the raid build for aoe

[winged sail]

ah shit thanks

[cerulean badger]

Guys, is there someone who has both Mark of Khadros and the stonevault trinket? Does the stonevault feel significantly better in m+ or is the difference marginal?

[coarse nest]

Mark is better for burst

as far as overall hard to say

could compare them on Dslice sim i guess

[unreal onyx]

m+ I prefer shard bc of stacking when chainpulling

initial mastery pump on-use mark is slightly ahead

[coarse nest]

I vaulted Myth shard so thats why im running it

[unreal onyx]

same

[cerulean badger]

Makes sense. Thank you!

[hasty tide]

Probably the right chain of thought, use whatever you can find at best ilvl

Shard helping our low points between bursts feels nice though

And obviously feeds into on use burst as well from previous packs

[cerulean badger]

And how is the general consensus about the dagger?

*ritual knife

[oblique trail]

Good but not the best

[narrow narwhal]

It's good. Sim

[oblique trail]

Arakara would beat it on a higher track (maybe even equal, depending on your gear. Have not checked for myself in a while)

[hollow bough]

Did they remove the target cap nerfs of OF and BS from the ptr notes or have they already gone through?

[cerulean badger]

Thanks!

[oblique trail]

They're gonna go through when the Anniversary patch drops

Assuming it remains unchanged

[hasty tide]

I hated the dagger personally, everytime I had a burst window I felt the trinket could sense it and give me the debuff lol

[hollow bough]

Cz I can't find them anywhere fir 11.0.5

[hasty tide]

Until they state otherwise it's more than likely still in there

[unreal onyx]

thane likes vers more than slayer, right?

[cerulean badger]

yeah crazy, the dagger on 626 sims higher than ara on 626

[unreal onyx]

or is this just coincidence for me

[hasty tide]

What's your sim saying? I've been curious about vers for thane as well

[young swan]

theres no reason it would impact thane more than slayer as far as I can tell

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8xKnb2T2CmpNnDrW8d3AJQ I was looking at what I would want from raid <- Thane

[oblique trail]

From what I can tell you just want haste

[unreal onyx]

why would it prefer the ring with no haste over the ring with 1.6k haste?

[oblique trail]

There is no correlation between being Thane and Vers suddenly getting more value

[forest owl]

dunno what this dk was doing

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRMi64vpuXhez1kdQxHGCb slayer aoe

[oblique trail]

Because of how stats are valued, also if you look it tells you that it's a massive upgrade over your 2nd ring

[jovial coral]

look at dn

[oblique trail]

It's by comparison a 0.4% increase of your heavy mastery ring

[unreal onyx]

correct, but having thane aoe build vs slayer aoe build, the upgrade % would not be the same

[oblique trail]

But that's just a case of simply having more stats

[winter compass]

Since we all seem to like pics of us shitting on DKs.

[forest owl]

[tidal kindle]

Hes not a Metadk tho...

[warm crag]

garm

[tidal kindle]

Metadks top

Seasponge

[warm crag]

where is the spellreflect clip?