fury

[dry hawk]

oh wait, your talking about bloodcraze?

[craggy seal]

yea

[summer quail]

nahh there's no need to, there's an incredibly small chance it's useful. majority of the time it's gonna crit before you can empower it up to that percentage

i track it as well, but don't think i've ever seen a scenario where the crit was high enough to prio bb over cb

[craggy seal]

ive just been using CB, dumping RB, then CB again and RB until I get a high enough chance for a crit

[summer quail]

don't do that, do not prio rb over bb ever. only exception is when playing thane and you have ravager out, as it will cast the bb for you

[craggy seal]

gotcha

[violet condor]

is there a way to use the original none condemn execute animation?

someone said it was revolved around using massacre having it talented and not taleneted changed nothing

[limpid geode]

do fury's log parse % show pre nerf ones as well?

[young swan]

got my SV done finally

[young swan]

yep

[wispy dock]

Damn imagine getting into a key as a fury im jelly

[eager thorn]

What lvl was it

[weary sail]

im down bad 621 ilvl and 2400 io still getting denied

[young swan]

11

[wanton cliff]

Feels

[modest condor]

lmao

[eager thorn]

Big moves

[winter shoal]

When the group does stitchflesh in 1m15s and then wipes 3 times on last boss of NW

[pearl sequoia]

welcome to the 12 barrier

[winter shoal]

It was a 10 bud

Unreal

[pearl sequoia]

well in my last 11 had an evoker who didnt know u die if you use some tech to not go down

[modest condor]

wiping to the last boss in NW

[pearl sequoia]

people are stoopid

[winter shoal]

I don't think healer knew that they could clear the root

[modest condor]

in a +10

[winter shoal]

Pug keys are truly special

Me: "for comet storm, everyone stack on tank and move left together"
Group: how about we all run in random directions and kill each other

Healer: I'm rooted and comet storm is happening, if only there were some way out of this predicament

[modest condor]

🙃

[winter shoal]

Also if tanks pull with taunt, you can't rip off them during it right?

[modest condor]

im pretty sure you can

taunt just puts their threat as highest and i believe it gives them extra threat generation while it's active

[verbal rivet]

Just a lot harder

[modest condor]

but if they just afk after taunting you can rip aggro

[verbal rivet]

If the tank is functioning halfway correctly, you aren’t ripping threat through a taunt

[olive wraith]

I thought I’d be pulling less aggro as thane

[pearl sequoia]

charge, wait 5 seconds to aoe, thudner clap, die

some tanks are actually just special

[south kayak]

5 fury 9+ when

[hardy cargo]

right now

[sudden tusk]

Warrior nerfed to bad lose to every single other melee in the game

very cool

need those rb/bt buffs like i need god

[tardy axle]

so we going thane AM come buffs or what

[chrome relic]

what're you playing instead of BS

oh nvm

im dumb

[young swan]

definitely gonna try it

[wicked dew]

man I don't like AM

[young swan]

i dont love it in ST

but its pretty good in keys

[wicked dew]

I just like my shit being synced, too much thinking when stuff is desynced

I picked Warrior to zug zug

[velvet obsidian]

AM slaps. RA is the cancer build. If Rampage doesn't feel rewarding to press I don't want it.

[young swan]

ramp does feel rewarding to press tho

it gives u big fuck dam abilities

also it just cranks

with thane

does so much damage its insane

[untold trench]

RA feels better in timings though

[young swan]

i just wish our capstones werent utter shit

[velvet obsidian]

The big dam abilities feel rewarding. Rampage is just a means to getting there. As is highlighted by the fact that if you are enraged you are supposed to rage cap yourself. Rage capping on purpose is dumbo.

[young swan]

think rage capping is fine if its incentivized past "these abilites are just better"

if theres a reward for getting there i think thats fine

[chrome relic]

gonna try it in 11 NW now

will report back

[modest condor]

i feel like AM doesnt really fit with thane

[chrome relic]

🫡

[tardy axle]

just make AM also affect avatar

problem solved

[velvet obsidian]

Real

[young swan]

leveraging Ravager to spend your BB's is insanely potent

[modest condor]

that would just make RA useless again

[tardy axle]

fuck RA all my homies hate RA

[young swan]

I actually dont like RA either

but they both have issues

[modest condor]

i like AM a lot more than RA

i just dont think it fits with thane

[velvet obsidian]

AM with Slayer would be fun though. Think of all the bladestorm 💰💰💰

[young swan]

its pretty shit

everything desyncs and is awful

[velvet obsidian]

If only they stopped nerfing it to hell...

[untold trench]

RA fam for life! lol

[young swan]

unless ur intentionally wasting CDR to meet timings like on ovinax

[modest condor]

i might give AM slayer a try in 2 weeks

[young swan]

but otherwise AM slayer is stinky ass

[untold trench]

whats the build with bitter immunity people are using for this affix? lol i cantf ind it

[modest condor]

just drop crackling thunder for it

[velvet obsidian]

My main content is keys. And imagining a gigabladestorm every pull sound good.

[young swan]

this is what im using cause i think shockwave is kinda useless rn

[young swan]

yeah but its not giga cause its just a bladestorm with nothing else

its a very limp dicked bladestorm

it was good back when unhinged cleaved

now its just ass

[velvet obsidian]

Slayer BS? Better than having nothing between 1.5minute bursts

Doing less than tank damage

[young swan]

?

just play 45s build

[sudden tusk]

i went with movespeed. but bitter can work

man imagine how good ravager would feel with cleaved BTs

[young swan]

its actually kind of aids

cause it munches ur ww stacks

was really difficult to manage on beta

but yeah in theory its broken as fuck

[junior gale]

blizz loves taking cool things from warrior

[summer quail]

Would just have an unhinged tracker

[young swan]

even with that

[modest condor]

doesnt matter you just clap on cooldown anyway

[young swan]

its just really hard to manage cleaving abilites + thunderclapping + watching unhinged

I mean if u can perfectly manage RA stacks, OF, unhinged, Tblast

more power to you

but that is a LOT to keep on top of and be optimal with

[sudden tusk]

I just want our class with no useful utility to do enough damage to make sense that we have no utility or range

[lusty delta]

warrior battle res, you shout at the corpse until it moves again.

[young swan]

nah they need to something unique

or it just doesnt matter

[lusty delta]

like bloodlust? 😄

[young swan]

yeah the thing that 5 other classes have

definitely unique

[lusty delta]

thats the joke

[young swan]

the only "utility" that will get you brought over someone else is something that they dont have

[regal storm]

Make shout better for m+

[lusty delta]

mass spell reflect would be cool

but they don't want you to have it

[young swan]

MSR would be good

[bitter palm]

vigilance mass sr banners idk

so much shit they could do

[young swan]

demo banner would be good

[bitter palm]

but we cant even get safeguard

[regal storm]

Problem really is just that rally is kind of completely useless.

[sudden tusk]

buff Meat Cleaver to 80% outside raid

[bitter palm]

and its obvious they dont want to give it to us by giving it to thane

[hardy cargo]

how great would it be if they added something to the buffs of RA can be consumed by rampage and each of the two buffs make ramp better in some way

[lusty delta]

Rally is meh, not sure how to make it better. (outside of raid in raid it's semi okay)

[junior gale]

do you mean improved WW not meat cleaver?

[hardy cargo]

could run rav and if you get lucky and able to spam ramp 2 times in a row you just completely fuck

[bitter palm]

make it a shield or something

[young swan]

triple its value in 5 man content

[sudden tusk]

just let RA Charges Stack on themself

so you dont have to degen Burst windows becuase reck is a shit cooldown

[thick fossil]

But we'd be the first tank class with it.

[young swan]

yeah but tanks dont have an issue finding keys ever

so

[thick fossil]

Fair

[sudden tusk]

rework fury into an aug like spec so i can shed this mortal coil

[young swan]

ur not wrong but its also off base from the topic

[bitter palm]

taskmaster warrior

[young swan]

prot getting a lust would be kinda nutty and open up a ton of comps

[bitter palm]

yell at people

[thick fossil]

[sudden tusk]

Lust is literally in a fantasy setting warriors best quality

https://tenor.com/view/theoden-bernard-hill-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-ride-on-gif-5498875

[bitter palm]

warcry legit

[young swan]

yeah its pretty wacky we didnt get it

[bitter palm]

charging first yelling very loudly

[young swan]

i'd take disrupting shout for dps specs

as well

aoe int + silence

[hardy cargo]

or perhaps

you get none of it and are op in heroic then nerfed into ground

so u dnt bring dam or util

[bitter palm]

hoooly

[sudden tusk]

we arent even OP

they just decided every boss needs 20 shitter adds that wipe you if you dont blow them up

for some stupid reason

[hardy cargo]

oh im not even necessarily talking about this tier

just status quo seems to be

do good week 1/2(heroic raid) -> nerfs -> other classes better

[sudden tusk]

like if arms was good in AOE and colossus was actually sick

then id love to play it

but being mediocre forever sucks

[midnight kite]

You dont understand blizzard said not to worry demolish hits really hard

Like 3-4 times in beta

[sudden tusk]

xeos is gonna come in here in less then 10 minutes to tell us to stop crying about a class thats good in raid

blow up xeos

i can feel you

[hardy cargo]

xeos is noob priest sod player disregard his egirl opinion

[thick fossil]

I mean, it can do some big dam. Just not consistently, or in a practical manner like every other class.

[young swan]

thane does big consistent damage

[thick fossil]

Demolish basically rooting you is not a fun trade off.

[sudden tusk]

rn my groups comp is 2x ret and me

so im depressed

[hardy cargo]

LOL GG

[regal storm]

Dude is a battle shout bot.

[thick fossil]

Thane is very fun. I'm fully embracing that style.

[lament lagoon]

are we getting poppied tomorrow

[next ruin]

What build is this

[lament lagoon]

poopied*

[hardy cargo]

my grp has more or less stopped gaming for the tier already

[rugged hill]

yo, anyone got the bloodthirst buff % tracker weakaura?

[sudden tusk]

class with invuln/ a billion HP/ passive avoidance/ self heals/ group utility/ defensive raid buff/ and does as much damage or more in aoe

epic

[regal storm]

You forgot group heals too.

[young swan]

u just play 45s roar

[regal storm]

The +11 3 ret runs lol.

[young swan]

so u have OF, BS, Roar every 45

and reck, ava, OF, BS, roar every 1.5

[next ruin]

Is it competitive to Mt for the remaining weeks?

[regal storm]

Imagine if TR was off GCD

[young swan]

its for slayer

dont need 45s cds with thane

just press clap

do 2mil a pack

spec is actually ridiculous

[next ruin]

Yes ik, but is it doing better than the MT classic build in any scenario

[young swan]

idk i havent touched slayer much this week

playing with the new toy

[south kayak]

yeah i can sustain 2m on the 6 dummes in donrogal

without pressing any cds except clap and rb/bt/rampage

[bitter palm]

AM clappa

[young swan]

[trail kernel]

i need that addon right now

[eager thorn]

[south kayak]

Best anime opening?

[trail kernel]

ippo

[sullen dove]

Even xan downloaded that shit

it’s over

[south kayak]

no reason to download, that, makes it even worse lol

[covert blaze]

lain

[south kayak]

what

[young swan]

Declined!

[trail kernel]

finall y guys

i have my first invite to a +10

[south kayak]

pog

[sullen dove]

Addon is only used to complain in class discords

[sullen dove]

don’t die 😄

[trail kernel]

i hope get the weapon in my vault

[south kayak]

I hope so too

[unreal onyx]

Why a weapon, you already have a 639

[trail kernel]

i want mastery

[unreal onyx]

They you should hope for a ring, no?

[young swan]

yeah its epic

[trail kernel]

mmm nope

[unreal onyx]

Or sv/sikran neck

[trail kernel]

oh probably

ifi get

the ovi nax

ring

that owuld be good

[south kayak]

Trying to parse 99 at complaining

[sullen dove]

yea i think like any hero > myth track upgrade slot is gonna be way better than just a 639 weapon with masterry

barely a diff

[trail kernel]

sikran neck doesnt give you haste?

[sullen dove]

you can get mast from other sources/gems/enchants

[unreal onyx]

Sikran neck is big mast low haste iirc

[sullen dove]

no

like 5k haste

and like 600 mast

[unreal onyx]

Big haste/ low mast

[sullen dove]

but still good

[unreal onyx]

Mb

Had a 50/50

[trail kernel]

i had a chance to get it

in my vault

i didnt pick it

JEJE

[sullen dove]

better have been over the sacbrood

[trail kernel]

i prefer this

[tardy axle]

and in english

[sullen dove]

only 629..

max it rn..

[trail kernel]

i dont have more crest man

😩

[sullen dove]

[trail kernel]

i spned it in my ring but it was a bad decision

[tardy axle]

whats the weapon transmog

[south kayak]

What language is this

[unreal onyx]

Same, took myth legs with avoidance

[unreal onyx]

Heroic rasz axe

[tardy axle]

raszegath?

[unreal onyx]

Ye

[sullen dove]

last boss of first raid of df

[tardy axle]

that shit isnt soloable is it

[sullen dove]

miss df..

probably not no

[trail kernel]

yes razza in heroic

[sullen dove]

could feasibly do it with a couple friends im sure

[tardy axle]

whats the furthest we can realistically solo? like bfa?

[trail kernel]

sorry i forgor to change it

[sullen dove]

its probably its non awakened version

[trail kernel]

i have it in spanish

[sullen dove]

bfa soloable now yea they gave it the legacy nerfs

[unreal onyx]

I kinda miss the „special ilvl“ pieces from voti

[sullen dove]

honestly with 2 ppl might be able to do rasz

imagine just need ppl on both sides

idk how much dps tho

but its the first raid of the xpac not the last so should be considerably easier than amirdrassil

[unreal onyx]

They should bring back higher ilvl loot from last 2 bosses

[sullen dove]

...? they do have that

[tardy axle]

i mean you cna use the platform to get to the other add platform in p2 on raz

[unreal onyx]

But that’s the „rare“ loot

[pearl sequoia]

max ilvl

[tardy axle]

what happens if no one goes to the othe rside, do they just spam ranged attacks or something

[unreal onyx]

I mean base ilvl

[sullen dove]

no i mean their loot still drops at a higher base ilvl

look at the ilvls

beginning of myth is 623 last 2 are 632

[unreal onyx]

They max at 639, no?

[sullen dove]

you can just upgrade all of it

saves crests for later bosses

[unreal onyx]

I mean higher ceiling

[sullen dove]

yea i mean... unless they invent something above myth track for some reason

[unreal onyx]

Like 424 axe from rasz when max was 418 or smthn

[sullen dove]

well there werent upgrade tracks

that is something that solely applies to rasz

[unreal onyx]

Yes

[sullen dove]

and valor could take you to 415

and 421 was "cap" from m+ vault

but yea i mean that'd exist like that if tracks didnt exist

but tracks good

upgrade good

[unreal onyx]

I liked that loot design

Made the gear more special imo

I was so happy when I got the axe on our 1st kill

[tardy axle]

now that zekvir is gutted, whats the fastest way to get delve vault slots

[hardy cargo]

[sullen dove]

whatever the fastest delve is

there was one in takrethan thats fast the like collect supplies

[pearl sequoia]

fungal folly probably

[sullen dove]

but also that shit can be the niffen one that takes 12 fuckin years

my god that ones so cringe

[unreal onyx]

Just for slots to pad socket places propably 1s

Or delve itself

Or you can do wq for slots

[low folio]

so crazy to me that so many pug healers dont know how to do first boss of stonevault still

just have one dispel to do properly

[south kayak]

yep lmao

[frozen portal]

im so sick of these pugs

[pearl sequoia]

you start to wonder how they even got past 2k io

i think crit must of boosted everyone

[low folio]

realistically the reason they dont know is because tanks can survive it until you start reaching 8-10 depending on the tank obviously

[oak pecan]

are the warrior nerfs still in PTR for 11.0.5?

[low folio]

probably

[tardy axle]

had a dk tank in a 9 yesterday who tried to tank the molten mace of GB second boss

they didnt know they had to run away from the molten mace, so the next pull they ran away from the swords...into the corridor leading to the boss and reset the boss

[midnight kite]

Warrior nerfs are still on PTR but it has not been touched since before the hotfix changes so have to see if they get cut or not

Like tier set is still pre buff on PTR, opportunisist is 25% (20% live, 30% pre nerf) ect

[manic pelican]

I’d like them to buff st some on mt to make it more raidworthy.

[midnight kite]

I would expect Odyns/Troar/Warbreaker (lol) to stick but could see the overwhelmed change to get cut

arms is cooked if overwhelm change goes through

[worldly gulch]

Zekvir ?? fell to my Fury blades tonight. I danced on his corpse

Fury pretty strong on that fight

[manic pelican]

Indeed

[lean heart]

fellas does Relentless Pursuit break you out of sticky web on ovinax

[covert blaze]

yes

[trail kernel]

LETSGO

[autumn fiber]

i know how that feel bro 🤗

[eternal lance]

[clever path]

I just need like 150 more rating to hit 2500 then I’m done with keys for as long as possible

[compact flint]

Anyone wanna explain why we dont want speed?

I simmed it and it says what i got is better

[marsh idol]

..because speed is movement speed and not attack speed..?

[brittle crow]

speed is bis stat

sim is lying to u

put it on

[exotic turtle]

Yes simming is damage output not 100 meter sprint

[compact flint]

Ah okay

Maybe its cause crit is bad for us but the stat says effectiveness on attacks and heals

[brittle crow]

wat

[marsh idol]

dont read, just listen to robot

[trail bane]

You need to force the sim to try variants where it uses different types of gems.

it wont compare the two to each other, but you will see a bigger number

So its better

(Probably)

Oh you werent talking about the gem

nvm :D

[olive wraith]

We like all stats

[compact flint]

Lmao alright

[ornate gust]

Which trinkets should I use in mythic Broodtwister? 2 x on-use trinket?

[grim prism]

we here at blizz head hq quarters have noticed that fury ST sawqs so we'll be nerfing arms' bladestorm

[exotic turtle]

Looool 🤣

[past depot]

what do we reckon fellas slayer or mountain thane?

for M+

[grim prism]

[slim grotto]

I just got beat in overall by an Arms in a 9key (both 625il)....am I...bad?

[grim prism]

if it's +10 or more with tyranical, the ST on arms can help it pull ahead

[livid marsh]

Yes

[grim prism]

i mean

Yes

[past depot]

i feel like mountainthane seems clunky af

[livid marsh]

how?

[past depot]

idk, slayer feels smooth

[clever path]

The only clunky part of thane imo is that when getting thunder blast it doesn’t auto reset your thunder clap

[livid marsh]

slayer and thane are near identical rotationally

[past depot]

maybe thunder blast just feels extra weird

[clever path]

So half the time you have to twiddle your thumbs before you can slam aoe

[past depot]

cause smooth swing and then bam!

am i meant to be overcappign on rage to prio BB and RB?

or still rampage always to avoid overcap

[livid marsh]

i rarely overcap outside of the burst but i would still BB and RB regardless, sending in rampage as soon as its up will result in downtime later on

[clever path]

I mean afaik overcap doesn’t mean much you need to use your crushing blow and whatever bloodthirst turns into each time

[past depot]

yeah, thats what i heard, just feels counter intuitive

[clever path]

But I know once AM comes back that will change the priority

Most likely skewing it towards sending rampage as quick as you can for cd reductions

[past depot]

yeah, i liked AM

was fun always popping shit

[clever path]

Cause for mplus am is gonna be the play most likely once the .5 patch hits

[last junco]

does enhance gap fury in m+

[clever path]

Enhance is stronk atm

[livid marsh]

rampage will always give you the same cdr, there isnt really a reason to send it as soon as possible

it just gets a bit more important to not overflow on rage

[clever path]

Well yeah, I more so meant as of now over capping doesn’t matter almost at all. While with am you will more than likely send rampage more often and have to think about capping

[last junco]

thought i was playing pretty well in a nw11 but i got cleared

[minor vine]

yeah, u just clap instead of spin and u prioritize rampage more isint it?

[livid marsh]

thane was only ahead by 14% in mt, and was a bit weaker in st

there was no way we would reach anywhere close to what rets, dks and enhancers would do

[last junco]

was playing slayer

[clever path]

Yeah like if the soft cap changes go through fury is gonna be HURTING in big aoe

I’m honestly a little worried blizz just doesn’t gaf if they burn the entire class down

[livid marsh]

i mean

look at bm

they sure dont care at all anyways it seems

[clever path]

I mean. Bm does hella good single target damage. Even with the nerfs. Marksman does amazing in mplus. With the nerfs coming our way, arms is looking to be knocked down on what it’s good at. And the same with fury. Just seems a bit unfair

Especially when so many classes excel far beyond us and aren’t being touched

[hushed ocean]

so far...

Remember what Capleton said : "that day will come"

[clever path]

I mean I’m gonna be playing warrior whatever happens

Just feels like they designed a raid for us to be good at and then went “oh shit warriors are good at being warriors we should stop that”

But that’s just me being grumpy

[final timber]

Hey got a question for yall! The council of elders! whats this thing about powerful enrage and another type of enrage

i saw someone asked about which was better

[broken bloom]

Choice node on fury tree 15% haste vs 15% ability damage

[final timber]

wait where is that. Also, whats the popular choice?

[fast mural]

For thane powerful for slayer frenzied

Although powerful might be better for slayer in higher keys

[broken bloom]

Powerful is better for cleave in general

[mossy fox]

kill off powerful pls

nerf to like 10% idc

[brittle crow]

is it possible to install elvui specifically for unitframes and disable literally everything else

[mossy fox]

let me play haste all the time

[brittle crow]

🤔

[mossy fox]

idk if it works like that, prolly worth checking on the elvui discord

[wicked dew]

Wait was Noxiv's 15 Mists done as Slayer

[mossy fox]

ye he's been sticking to slayer

[wicked dew]

based

[mossy fox]

i cant tell a big diff between the 2 honestly

[brittle crow]

i want all of quazii's ui except the WA packs and the elvui but since his healthbar is elvui is prob fucked

[unreal onyx]

Slayer feels more powerful but looking at my numbers, it’s pretty similar

[mossy fox]

sure thane has more theoretical aoe, but slayer's burst aoe and ST in general is still ahead

so thane's consistent aoe needs time to catch up to slayer

[wicked dew]

My ST feels higher as Thane I must be doing something very wrong when I play Slayer lmfao

or I just got stronger this week and havent played Slayer at all

both maybe

[mossy fox]

more likely the latter

[brittle crow]

thunderblast procs feel better than slayers strike procs

but pressing bs feels better than pressing rav

[wicked dew]

agreed

[mossy fox]

i get more dopamine from slayer

[unreal onyx]

is satisfying I gotta say

[next ruin]

Do people play 45s roar as slayer?

[mossy fox]

although might just be attributed from opting to play powerfule nrage as thane

it just feels so slow to me

[unreal onyx]

Is the range of tc/blast the same as from ww?

[mossy fox]

ye should be

unless you take crackling thunder, then the range is huge

[brittle crow]

i noticed this when i imported build from wowhead and forgot to check which one was there lmao

i was like "wtf where is all my haste"

[unreal onyx]

I opted out of crackling, the huge slow in m+ feels counterproductive, especially if you chainpull

[final timber]

@mossy fox big fan btw, love your eductational videos on youtube. Any chance for an Arms video to show how to play it off, used to main it and now im kinda not sure how to go about it. Also, you play Frenzied in Slayer?

[mossy fox]

yeah i dont like the slow either

[molten wing]

i wonder will that remain with the changes coming next week

[static rock]

Coming back after a few days off, what is the concensus on slayer vs MT for M+? If MT is overall better, any different in stat prio?

[mossy fox]

yes i play frenzied as slayer cause there's minimal difference there

not really planning on an arms video

spec's a mess

[final timber]

Yeah, I was checking the Arms chat and people were saying it fairly decent in M+, I think Colossus. But the cooldown management seems like a nightmare to manage

[wicked dew]

Am curious what we end up playing with the changes coming next week

[radiant plank]

[mossy fox]

true and real

[radiant plank]

Did u end up playing Colossus on Silken

Assuming u killed princess

[mossy fox]

we had like 2 pulls on silken so no didnt bother changing anything

[radiant plank]

ic

[mossy fox]

had to reprog broodtwister for almost an hour so

[radiant plank]

horror

[static rock]

oof

[brittle crow]

damn ppl are in mythic and im still on heroic ansurek

[unreal onyx]

We‘ll be on our 2nd day brood today

Not looking forward to it

[static rock]

honestly I'd say queen is harder than the first two bosses on mythic, so not much stopping your group after queen for a few mythic kills

[unreal onyx]

I usually enjoyed the first bosses in df and SL but ulgrax is so bad imo

Its not hard

But it’s so annoyingly long

[modest loom]

You dont 2 phase it?

[brittle crow]

i think some gamers in my guild do less than 800k so there will be no 2 phasing

[unreal onyx]

No, we always have like 2/3 dps die to the intermission frontal

[modest loom]

Not a boss design issue then, but player issue

[river reef]

We started prog yesterday on big booty spooder

30 pulls - seen one intermission

[clever belfry]

3 phase better to parse

https://tenor.com/view/whiskers-mmm-hmm-suspicious-sus-gif-11609747178733891907

[brittle crow]

kinda wish i was in a more gamer guild but the ppl are chill and i dont wanna go thru the trouble of guild hopping

really sadge hours

[unreal onyx]

Boss hp still feels like it’s too much compared to the bosses after

[modest loom]

We did 3rd add intermission to pad and then monk finished boss with touch of death, didnt have to feed

Was a nice kill

[river reef]

we even struggle with web damage in P1 💀

[clever belfry]

Everyone with 2 braincells knows this boss is a meme parse tho

just like ovinax

[modest loom]

Rasha says hello

Gotta kill adds, but hey, adds dont count on logs

[clever belfry]

Still got r1 in aoe spec 👍

[static rock]

which means parses are really a troll in reality

[clever belfry]

People have to stop griefing

[unreal onyx]

Rashanan dps in details: 📈
Rashanan dps in logs: 📉

[static rock]

"i'm getting 99 parses", but going pure ST for it

[clever belfry]

stop trolling

Atleast spec OF

[static rock]

meant to do air quotes on it

[unreal onyx]

Pure st gain is insignificant compared to aoe loss

[clever belfry]

those are proper quotes

[unreal onyx]

Slayer aoe build is great, you can play it on every boss and still do decent

[clever belfry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2918&class=Warrior&spec=Fury

Idk

just use my spec

imp ww is useless

OF roar BS kill the adds

VC is very good on this boss

[brittle crow]

how do u get ur cds to line up with adds all the time on rasha

if i blow load on pull it feels like it desyncs

[clever belfry]

i dont

I hold for 20
lost a cd use for it on this kill too.

[brittle crow]

wtf ur ilvl 631

crazy

[clever belfry]

then i desynced OF from 3rd ava too

[unreal onyx]

Ilvl pad

[clever belfry]

to cover another set

[unreal onyx]

[clever belfry]

Cape is kinda pad

ngl

very low stat budget

[unreal onyx]

All im hoping for today is that I sold my boe and the other guy that has been selling myth boes for the last 2 xpacs on my server didn’t match my price again

I can basically give it away and am still in profit from my others but I want the satisfaction of selling mine and his stays

[static rock]

Okay, I am doing something VERY wrong here apparently

[dull compass]

When my cooldowns get off sync should I hold bladestome etc for when my avatar comes back

Or should I just press whatever is available

[static rock]

Use it with OF if it's near the CD timer for it

[final timber]

question, how yall manage to parse on Silken

[static rock]

very confusingly

[untold yacht]

how do i copy your talents from warcraft logs?

[final timber]

I tried my hards to keep my WW up properly, keeps CDs for when they are debuffed

[young swan]

doesnt look that wrong to me

[static rock]

Doing a lot lower and thunder blast is doing way more on sims, both numerically and percentage wise https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzhrQv2N3TS46SngJrbGMB

[young swan]

tblast has lightning strikes grouped under it in sims

[static rock]

🤦

[dull compass]

So I should keep it synced with odyns fury? Not recklessness and avatar?

[static rock]

honestly it should line up with OF pretty well, and every second OF lines up pretty decent with avatar and reck

[dull compass]

Okay so don’t delay anything for the two 1:30 cooldowns

[static rock]

also depends on how the pulls go

[dull compass]

Just try to keep OF and Bladestorm synced

It’s very situational yes

I’m not at a raiding level yet but I don’t want to practice bad habits

[polar narwhal]

CDs on Pull then keep for adds or bonus damage phase on boss.

And position yourself properly for when and if the bosses aren't stacked correctly to still hit both.

[clever belfry]

asking magical questions i dont have answers to

[wicked dew]

So I just pug keys, doing exclusively 10s and 11s right now. Most tanks have the WA or addon that automarks the caster mobs. Not a single run I've been in has anyone ever said anything in chat about which mark they are on for kicks. Is there a widely accepted system that I don't know about for who kicks what mark or is it a free for all lol

[static rock]

I always try and hold my interrupt til the last second of casts

[radiant plank]

You get a macro that sets a focus for you and a specific marker

and before key starts

"I kick Star"

for example

[brittle crow]

does anniversary start 15th?

i forgor

[wicked dew]

Would you happen to have an example of this macro

[pale lava]

do you play frenzied in M+ too lately?

[radiant plank]

do a macro that sets your focus and then add another row with /tm 5 or whatever u want to use

[wicked dew]

but the mobs are always marked already when the mobs get pulled

I think theres a WA that tanks use or something

almost every run has it

[radiant plank]

Yeah but it only marks them once I think

so if you use yours after

it willl stay

[wicked dew]

I guess I just didnt want to override whatever theirs was doing

[pale lava]

22nd na 23rd eu iirc

[wicked dew]

but that's fair

[radiant plank]

And most pug tanks just install auto markers

and give no explanation

to who kicks what

[brittle crow]

Sad!

[clever belfry]

auto markers are

bad bad

[dull compass]

For Mythic plus is thane or slayer recommended right now?

[clever belfry]

/run if not GetRaidTargetIndex("focus") then SetRaidTarget("focus",8) end```

[vale dove]

Thane

[clever belfry]

you should be using this

this will not overmark already marked targets

[unreal onyx]

I don’t like automarkers

[clever belfry]

replace the number at the end with your desired id (1..8)

[unreal onyx]

Unless it’s like a skull on focus mobs

Ya‘ll use focus kick macros?

[dull compass]

So I should just copy the thane build in the faqs?

[clever belfry]

??yes

[unreal onyx]

I just tab-target kick

[clever belfry]

nah

[vale dove]

Id like to see you tab target the worms on ovinaxx

🤣

[unreal onyx]

I did that last week on our first day of prog

[clever belfry]

please dont

[unreal onyx]

Tab-targetting targets a kickable cast, the worms are the only kickable casters on that fight I think

[clever belfry]

yes but at points theres 3

worms

u do NOT want to rely on tabs then

and they cast a lot faster in p3 too so

[vale dove]

^ plus you want to be focusing your worm down as primary target really

[clever belfry]

this is not really true

[vale dove]

when the 3 worms are up

anyway

empowered boys

[unreal onyx]

I tab-target onto my focus worm abd have it targetted until it’s dead

[clever belfry]

unless your group has fuck all worm damage the first 2 die for free as theyre always close to one another

[vale dove]

I mean we grip the adds on to the worm so ye it dies fast but I always have it as my main target regardless as im 2nd interupt

[unreal onyx]

Im not saying my way is the best, but I haven’t had any issues tab-targetting in the last 4 years of me playing

[clever belfry]

on set 2-2, 3-1 and 3-3 there is always 2 worms within cleave range of each other

boss SHOULD be somewhat centered between them

then massgrip on a tank between them

gg they both die instantly to whole groups cleave 👍

[tender seal]

The fastest way to make something very very simple, become more prone to error, is by using mouseover-focus macro for kicking worms. Imho when its your turn next just target the worm and dmg it. Dps check on ovinax dont exist anymore rly, so no need to turbo optimize bossdam.

[static rock]

What is good overall for a 623 MT on NW?

[clever belfry]

69m

[clever belfry]

7

[oblique trail]

[night relic]

eating good

[eternal sundial]

Im on kick 2 for worm

It always dies before

[quick zodiac]

Worm is cringe

Hate bosses where you need certain specs to actually do it

[untold yacht]

besides fury, is there fast paced ranged spec?

or all are Zzz?

[flat river]

BM hunter

[untold yacht]

tried mage just now

snooze fest

anything else?

I am already called a simpleton as fury

dont wanan go any lower as BM

[radiant plank]

Fire mage is fast

all range will feel slower cuz of cast times

[untold yacht]

tried frost so cannot say

[radiant plank]

but fire mage is your best bet imo

[flat river]

frost mage is also fast

[untold yacht]

is fire faster?

[flat river]

it is

in combustion phase atleast

[untold yacht]

aight

ty ty

[radiant plank]

Fair bit faster

but its inflated but fireblast being ogcd

[untold yacht]

ohh shit nice chart

ty

is prot really this fast lol

[radiant plank]

Inflated by IP

being ogcd

[untold yacht]

aaah right

[radiant plank]

But its fairly fast in general

since it stacks haste

[teal pine]

Prot is honestly my favorite warrior spec

Shame it’s a tank

[untold yacht]

prot is great been playing 10s alot due to lack of invited on fury

I just spam defensives not tryinmg to dps

i help healers out and safe +1 is always eays

easy

ok I think illgo mage

ill go

it has atleast two specs being "fast"

[rocky wharf]

Could have sworn fury was no. 1. What happen this time around? We slowed down and others sped up?

Last expac

[untold yacht]

truedat

man fire mage looks fine

hopefully its not f tier

[eternal sundial]

Rip double bl opener

[untold yacht]

ill chjeck

[eternal sundial]

Only time fire is funny

[eternal sundial]

Complete opposite

[radiant plank]

NEver played mage, philmagus

[eternal sundial]

Phil magus doesnt exist....

Secret strategy

Ancient technology

[warm crag]

Tom

[radiant plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713139325654794321/1110008684286840953/ezgif-3-909542092b.gif

[wispy glacier]

They nerfed us into the ground for 0 reason

[warm crag]

Zero!!! reason

[wispy glacier]

Instead of smoothing our damage profile and giving us less burst on our cooldowns and more single target they just nerfed us across the board lol

[warm crag]

smoother damage profiles suck good thing they didnt do that

[barren coral]

i dont get this demand

fuck up warrior's identity

and u dont get any extra damage

just more linear one

actually

[wispy glacier]

It’d be better than what we have. I can’t use cooldowns efficiently without ripping aggro and my single target is bottom dps

[warm crag]

wdym you cant use your cds without ripping aggro

is your tank afk or

[barren coral]

but you will still be bottom dps with linear dps

this is a gameplay change now a buff/nerf

he's probably down low lvl keys 6-8

tanks at that range dont have threat addons

[wispy glacier]

Should’ve seen me trying to do a m+ key yesterday if sit their and wait for the tank to get all the aggro I’d pop my cds and rip aggro on half the pack

[barren coral]

only thing a burst removal would do to warrior is remove our comfy spots on ovinax and ansurek

and maybe rash

[warm crag]

that is not normal ye

[oblique trail]

This is an issue of the tank, not Fury

[barren coral]

this is slightly an issue of fury

because ret hitting for 8m dps does not aggro him nearly as hard

[wispy glacier]

It’s a prot warrior that is in my guild who is pretty good so I trust he was doing what he can

[oblique trail]

Only time this week I've grabbed aggro is if I popped everything and the tank had less than a second to get any aggro

[warm crag]

fury getting hit first if the tank is afk is such a non issue

[barren coral]

whats pretty good? 2.5k m+? AOTC and mythic prog?

[wispy glacier]

Yeah basically lol

[warm crag]

if you are consistently ripping aggro from your tank after you have given him sufficient time to group the enemies and generate threat on them they cannot be that good sorry

[barren coral]

this is not necessarily true

[wispy glacier]

It happens in every single key I do though

[warm crag]

i play with pug tanks who i have never managed to rip aggro from while being extremely reckless with cd usage while grouping

[barren coral]

fury warrior exclusively has this issue where other melee burst archetypes dont

[wispy glacier]

Odyns fury is basically a taunt at this point

[warm crag]

everyone dies if they press cds while tank is grouping this isnt a fury issue

[barren coral]

then obviously were not talking about popping cd's while adds are not yet grouped ???

[warm crag]

fury cannot rip aggro from a decent tank if you give them the space they need to keep it

[low folio]

Technically frost dk hits so hard that they can rip Aggro halfway through the pull

On pug tanks

[untold yacht]

guys I kid you not

[barren coral]

with mediocre tanks while every other dps is mashing all their cds melee range into the first big pull on tirna i must be double careful and sit 2 more seconds

[south kayak]

That’s because reapers mark explodes for about 7m lol

[warm crag]

you are either being reckless with cd usage while grouping or your tank isnt holding aggro

[barren coral]

just to not rip instantly

[untold yacht]

fire mage has 4 spells

[wispy glacier]

I always let the tank jump in I give him a few seconds and then pop em and boom 4 dudes aggroed on me and I die lol

[untold yacht]

no way

[south kayak]

What

[eternal sundial]

If your guild tank cant hold threat

Maybe he isnt good

[barren coral]

can you believe people use their burst on a pull ? 🤯

smh

this genuinely does not need to be a tank issue whatsoever idk why you guys insist

yes a better tank can make this a non-issue

but why not just give fury the same aggro power of a ret

if they deal the same damage

[eternal sundial]

Go nelf or complain at tank

Either works

[oblique trail]

We've not said its not a Fury issue and only a tank issue

[eternal sundial]

Ive died to threat on mage through mirrors if the tank is shit

[oblique trail]

But we have said that if a tank has had time to gather and get aggro, and you still rip threat, it's a tank issue

[barren coral]

and how come out were one of the few privileged classes to rip aggro significantly harder

because a mediocre tank can just not get max aggro, and most classes will be fine

[oblique trail]

Because our burst is extremely front loaded

[barren coral]

so is mm but i guess they have aggro tools

ret is the most similar dps spec i can think of and i never saw it pull aggro to the degree warriors do

[eternal sundial]

Ret does

[oblique trail]

I played ret in S4 and regularly ripped aggro

[eternal sundial]

Our ret gets assigned bops for brood cuz he does 200 bazillion damage to smallies

[oblique trail]

Idk it's damage profile now but it was an issue then for me as well

[barren coral]

give us an anti taunt shout

call it intimidation

[eternal sundial]

But he's also an obscenely high damage ret and doesnt wanna hold

[clever path]

Philip

[hollow elk]

lets ignore that there are classes that have higher burst than warriors...

[clever path]

Is it fuzeret?

[eternal sundial]

Capable

[clever path]

Cap

Able

[oblique trail]

It's not exclusive to Fury ripping aggro, just that we have most of our damage happen in a very short window

[barren coral]

afaik we have the highst burst aoe

but not the highest ST burst

[clever path]

I am capabled please free the spot on the parking lot

[eternal sundial]

[oblique trail]

So if anything we're more likely to rip aggro if a tank isn't able to press buttons

[south kayak]

Who would that be?

Havoc DH?

[clever path]

No

[barren coral]

mm hunter but this is just anecdotal

i havent checked

[clever path]

Fury waarrior

[low folio]

Ya I got used to the idea of ripping aggro back in shadowlands when pressing spear instantly ripped aggro. NE and preemptive defensive is what I would do since I am impatient

[south kayak]

Yeah it could be MM hunter actually

[barren coral]

every mm hunter ive seen that knew his shit would pump huge numbers on kyveza

like id be comfortably 500k dps behind him on opener

i was so mad you have no idea

[hollow elk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=0#gid=0 is this spread sheet kept updated?

[river reef]

Banezio how do you manually set the timers for encounters on logs to be exactly 5min?

Baseline 5min sum is between 4 and 6 mins?

[clever path]

Dont be mad

[south kayak]

Are you playing now

[barren coral]

im patient too but if you wait enough time to never rip aggro, you will have to adapt stuns mid-opener and your dps meter will look like shit

[river reef]

check name angle

[south kayak]

sheesh

decided to go the worst spec ever

gg

[barren coral]

because in 2024 there are 5 interrupts each second that you need to do

[river reef]

true

[south kayak]

How is it tho

is VW the play now

[river reef]

both good VW if boss is standing and doesnt jump around or smaller pulls in m+

[low folio]

I do think they made m+ much worse of an experience by making cc not put casts on cd

[river reef]

arcon is better for higher keys

[south kayak]

I see

[golden hare]

you mean sims?

[south kayak]

I might be playing shaman in .5, exciting for ele rework

[river reef]

yeah sorry

[south kayak]

enha too to a lesser extent

[river reef]

Shadow gets huge QoL in 11.0.5.

for m+

[south kayak]

What is it? I don't remember that

[barren coral]

if there was anything i wished to do in order to express my skill, is permanently interrupt 5 spells per second, which will kill any party member if 2 of them land at the same time

[oblique trail]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/Options am on phone but it should be here

[warm crag]

why do you wanna do that king

[river reef]

new hero talent in patch allows Voidform to pause up to 20 sec out of combat.
Meaning you can blast small pack -> walk to bigger pack -> and still have cooldowns

[south kayak]

oh shit

that sounds so cool

is that for archon?

[river reef]

just want to some target dummy stuff to check rotation so there is no variance

[oblique trail]

#This example will make the combat length being exactly 300s on all iterations.
max_time=300
vary_combat_length=0.0
fixed_time=1

[river reef]

yeah archon only

[oblique trail]

Should be this

[low folio]

I can imagine it now. Use your pause button, tank stands still for 20 seconds with no response

[oblique trail]

Put this in the header (iirc)

[south kayak]

Imo VW is the only remotely exciting Spriest hero talent, Archon sounds boring

[oblique trail]

Been a while since I used custom settings

[river reef]

thanks bestie

[eternal sundial]

Nerf to do the blasting soon

We wanna do a +10 next week

[river reef]

uhh

wrong box

halo is based

[south kayak]

Understandable

[river reef]

sure phil if you find some idots who invite me to a 10 :D

[south kayak]

I have 10 gb on my alt

:cirt

that's staying

[eternal sundial]

I am an idiot i will invite

[river reef]

🤝

[dull compass]

Can anyone link me a good parse of someone using mountain thane in Mythic +

The top parses seem to be slayer still

[iron portal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZJ7m1vt94RyP2fpq#fight=29&type=damage-done

@dull compass

[mild thunder]

After running Thane for a while, Slayer still seemed better in 10s.

[barren coral]

just go down to the other 2-10 best parses

[dull compass]

Thank you

[frank rover]

does the odyns fury avatar extend the normal ones duration?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[frank rover]

ok another question

[dull compass]

So no storm blade

[frank rover]

does one odyns fury before or after thunder

[dull compass]

Don’t you almost always prio dots for uptime?

But wait for someone else to confirm that

[barren coral]

theyre both dots broski

on opener you start with roar first

[frank rover]

aite

i was wondering if the bleed damage increase is applied if u cast roar before

[iron portal]

mah man @honest sundial going deep and calling out blizz at the same time

[dull compass]

I meant isn’t roar longer

[orchid dagger]

If it's under 4 seconds left

Fucking pandemic mechanics

[frank rover]

what

so it doesnt extend it

it just resets it to 4 if its under that

[orchid dagger]

No

It adds full if under 4

Otherwise it replaces it with the full timer

[barren coral]

you sure about this?

[orchid dagger]

That's why you are supposed to delay OF

[frank rover]

[barren coral]

my OF gives 4s no matter what

[frank rover]

i wish i didnt have 5 bars of buffs

and i could track it easily

[frank rover]

so if u used odyns now

it would be 28 s avatar

[barren coral]

avatar has 20s duration

odyn has been used

[frank rover]

ah ty

[warm crag]

you delay OF to not clip the bleed

im not aware of duration shenanigans

[barren coral]

wdym not clip\

both dots dont apply ?

at the same time i mean

[warm crag]

no its one bleed you cant have the same bleed twice

[frank rover]

i think avatar casts an odyns

[barren coral]

oh u mean the bleed from avatar

[warm crag]

i mean ye what else

[orchid dagger]

No

[barren coral]

roar?

[orchid dagger]

OF

[barren coral]

we are just talking about it

[orchid dagger]

Ava with talent casts OF

[barren coral]

yeah man this is what im saying

[frank rover]

sir are y ou playing ravager and thunderclap on fury

[barren coral]

yeh

[oblique trail]

As Thane yes

[orchid dagger]

Thane moment

[frank rover]

is it fun

[oblique trail]

I don't think so

Your mileage may vary

[orchid dagger]

You'd optionally play Bladestorm over Ravager in pvp Thane,

But otherwise yeah

[iron portal]

You wouldnt play thane in pvp to begin with prob

[orchid dagger]

Nah Thane into melee comps is kinda goated

[barren coral]

people in here come everyday to insist how slayer is just as good

because they hate ravager that much

[oblique trail]

?

[frank rover]

i hate ravager

[oblique trail]

Are we making up scenarios or

[frank rover]

i place it down and my dh tank jumps away

[orchid dagger]

I mean Ravager isn't as intuitive as Bladestorm

[fast mural]

Did we go from hating BS to ravager now?

[teal pine]

I think I’d like thane with AM.
With CB and BB, clap just feels like it’s in the way

[barren coral]

who is hating on BS

[orchid dagger]

And pve doesn't have Storm of Destruction

[barren coral]

its like the best thing to press in the game

[fast mural]

BS sucks when ravager exist

[oblique trail]

And I think BS is one of the worst buttons to press

[heavy dock]

ravager sucks when bs exists

[frank rover]

what button do u enjoy then

[heavy dock]

i hate ravager, but it is what it is

[fast mural]

Imagine channeling your BS when you can have it as passive dmg

[heavy dock]

ill play with it

[oblique trail]

I prefer Ravager since I can actually play the game while it's running

[heavy dock]

with bl u take like 1.5 sec to cast bladestorm, yall acting like u cant play for 30sec

[frank rover]

but u can do stuff while bladestorming

[fast mural]

Yeah just get PI

No problem

[eternal sundial]

I cant IV in bs

[frank rover]

if u waqnna get severe carpel tunnel

[eternal sundial]

That's so awful

[frank rover]

u can storm bolt interrupt

[heavy dock]

iv?

[barren coral]

and without BL its 3 seconds

[frank rover]

wtf is an IV

[orchid dagger]

Impending Victory

[fast mural]

Impending victory

[heavy dock]

just enraged regen and heal for 15mil

[barren coral]

im missing on 3 GCDs blizzard 😡

[oblique trail]

I just prefer having control over my character

[orchid dagger]

1.5 min cd

[oblique trail]

And think BS is a boring and annoying button by comparison

[eternal sundial]

Why long CD if short CD do Trick

[heavy dock]

im just saying theres a way to be very tanky during bladestorm

[oblique trail]

I can also be very tanky during Ravager?

[heavy dock]

but ravager is very booring

[fast mural]

Defensive stance

[orchid dagger]

BS is good when I have to root break from fucking mages

[heavy dock]

what if boss moves away for a mechanic

ur ravager takes 20 years to move

[fast mural]

Ravager moves with it

[orchid dagger]

But otherwise @cursor Ravager

[oblique trail]

Then you're fucked either way because you yourself have to move as well

[heavy dock]

yea at rp walk speed

[oblique trail]

But because you're in BS you either have to cancel (and lose a lot of damage) or just not hit them anyway

[tired brook]

its not slow and the hitbox is pretty forgiving i feel

[orchid dagger]

pve moment

[frank rover]

wait ravager moves?

[oblique trail]

It does

[barren coral]

very slowly

[orchid dagger]

It's slow as shit

[fast mural]

OK on a boss like fyrakk its not good but what other boss moves like that ?

[heavy dock]

or follow boss with bs, u move a lot faster

[orchid dagger]

Frost Mage

[tired brook]

my ravager kited gb 2nd boss fixate completely fine, what bosses are moving at mach speed anyways?

[fast mural]

How are your tanks moving bosses

[eternal sundial]

Normally doesnt reach in time anyways

Since 2 sec channel

[oblique trail]

You never specified if it was a normal speed move or a jump, which some bosses like to do

[heavy dock]

it does most of the time

smth like first boss of grim batol

[frank rover]

what does ravager follow

[south kayak]

Well it's not like you need Ravager to move, I never had to move away that long from a pack after dropping ravager

what are you doing

[heavy dock]

if u happen to need to move from one corner to the other

[frank rover]

does it work like a hunter pet?

[orchid dagger]

No I wish

[frank rover]

or does it walk where it wansts

[heavy dock]

if the hunter pet had joint problems yeah

[oblique trail]

It just follows the closest enemy target to it

[south kayak]

or the closest squirrel

[oblique trail]

Which is a downside since it can get stuck on the edge of a pack

And not hit everything

But luckily Ravager isn't necessarily there for its damage itself

But there to trigger Unhinged while you're doing the rest of your rotation

[orchid dagger]

They need to bake Storm of Destruction into Ravager for you pve fuckers

[oblique trail]

Or don't

👍

[frank rover]

wtf is storm of destruction

[heavy dock]

wtf is storm of destruction