is there a darkmoon sigil better suited to m+
#fury
opaque solstice
i tried to go with double duskweave bc the guide said its best for m+
and ascension is more raid based
warm crag
only ascension is worth using afaik
barren coral
does burst of power change the rota on MT in any way?
warm crag
ascension will do fine but i have no idea what you're trying to achieve tbh
earnest flare
Does anyone have critcakes talents for MT?
barren coral
me but im gatekeeping
neat eagle
me but im gatekeeping
don't gatekeep. get with the times. paywall it.
glossy mirage
should we go with multi color socket to proc the diamond gem, always?
normal pendant
is ascension best embelishment?
crisp bronze
Odd question but when was the charge effect removed from CB? Was it dragonflight?
opaque solstice
im a dumb dumb
half valve
Any chance we are getting one for these fancy charts for MT ?
on the wowhead guide that is
warm crag
is ascension best embelishment?
for raid ye for m+ maybe dunno probs not
i think theres discussion about it on the wowhead guide
half valve
i think theres discussion about it on the wowhead guide
Sound promising
thorn fiber
Hello everyone, what are the stat numbers a fury warrior should try to achieve?
coarse nest
Do this works good
Keep checking for wowhead to be updated
Idk what arch’s plan is
left elk
Hello everyone, what are the stat numbers a fury warrior should try to achieve?
Sims know da wae
barren coral
isnt TB highest prio? higher than ravager and thunder roar
half valve
Cheers man, thanks
coarse nest
Doing it this way has the potential to munch one TB proc if the first unhinged BT procs a TB charge during your rampage gcd
It’s so minor I wouldn’t worry about it
Opening that way feels the smoothest
And it performs
azure badger
If you tb before ravager won't it cleave your bloodthirsts?
tender seal
Having massive overflow of rage with MT build lol
coarse nest
If you tb before ravager won't it cleave your bloodthirsts?
That doesn’t work anymore
They nerfed it
azure badger
👍
warm crag
unhinged hasnt cleaved since release
thorn fiber
Sims know da wae
What is Sims
iron portal
What is Sims
modest condor
i've done some more thinking on the opener and i think i want to swap rampage and ravager around just to make sure there's no accidental TB munching
fluid cedar
Odd question but when was the charge effect removed from CB? Was it dragonflight...
Yes they removed it in dragonflight
coarse nest
i've done some more thinking on the opener and i think i want to swap rampage an...
That works too yeah
I tried that as well
My bind setup it feels worse to do that
But that’s a me thing lol
azure badger
Also that opener is assuming you have titanic rage or no?
coarse nest
Yes
chrome plover
crit goes over his opener in his latest video without titanic rage
flint otter
What is Sims
Sims are simulations of your maximum damage based on your currently equipped talents, gear, etc.
- Install SimulationCraft addon.
- Open game, and copy the text from the SimulationCraft addon.
- Go to raidbots.com and locate the Quick Sim option.
- Paste the text in the "Load from Simc addon" field and select Run Quick Sim
- Review results
There are other sims available as well, such as Droptimizer which locates your next-best upgrade and Top Gear which analyzes gear in bag to see if you have the best stuff equipped.
azure badger
Yeah I just watched crits video and I kind of hate the idea of not using titanic rage lol
flint otter
Note: that's a fairly simplified explanation of sims, but it'll get you started.
warm crag
Sims are simulations of your maximum damage based on your currently equipped tal...
king response
👑
flint otter
king response
and yet i can't clear a +11
warm crag
try simming the optimal way to get into a team that clears an 11
flint otter
lmao
warm crag
(do it with guildies king)
flint otter
yeah I don't have guildies - I think I've hit the antisocial WoW player wall
appreciate u tho
nocturne dragon
wait2 where is the BB?
warm crag
idk just go find silly ppl to play with
worst that can happen is that you now have a second name under your name
normal bane
can you just first global TB right after avatar then roar/ravager
calm quartz
wait2 where is the BB?
Ravager casts it
warm crag
wait2 where is the BB?
unhinged makes ravager cast bt/bbs, thats what this is trying to optimize
nocturne dragon
Oh right... been on slayer too long channeling BS.
coarse nest
Unhinged spends BB during ravager ye
clear tendon
are we thane boys now for m+ or does it lose too much ST
coarse nest
can you just first global TB right after avatar then roar/ravager
Sure you could
long prairie
are we thane boys now for m+ or does it lose too much ST
we are
fading sky
St loss is not noticeable
nocturne dragon
I think archi's guide at icyvein or wowhead still valid
half valve
Doing it this way has the potential to munch one TB proc if the first unhinged B...
One question: You dont want enrage before pressing avatar ?
nocturne dragon
archi provided some MT build since start it's just nobody use it because lower numbers compared to Slayer
coarse nest
It enrages you and still benefits the OF proc
nocturne dragon
Note that you gotta take the OF talent though.
fading sky
That was also played no?
coarse nest
@modest condor quick thought, wouldn’t the first unhinged BT from ravager extend rage just enough to squeeze TB as the first cast after ravager followed by Ramp
half valve
Just though that with Burst of Power, and VC that BT/BB would fking slap in execute
radiant plank
Comes on the 2nd tick of damage ye
nocturne dragon
I think it should be enough right considering we take the powerful enrage for Multitarget
modest condor
i mean with my old opener there's a chance the unhinged bb proc happens before tb, causing you to potentially lose a tb cast (im not 100% sure i havent looked at timings), but swapping tb and rampage around just creates the opposite problem where you unhinged may proc before you press rampage causing it to be a bt instead of a bb
safest play is to just rampage before ravager
half valve
i mean with my old opener there's a chance the unhinged bb proc happens before t...
That is assuming we run with Titanic rage, yes?
modest condor
all of this has been yes
coarse nest
Yes not playing with OF feels bad
half valve
or would that actually work just as well for VC, if rek is tossed in before charge ?
half valve
but... but...
2% ST is still something, no ?
i mean, I have no clue what TR contributes in aoe
coarse nest
You lose 2%aoe for 2%ST
half valve
strait up ?
coarse nest
Dropping OF
clever shore
What is the rotation with the new talents?
livid marsh
i like the OF enrage tho
coarse nest
ST times keys aoe is just for pad
livid marsh
ST times keys aoe is just for pad
really depends since you still have to clear trash
coarse nest
Am uproar slayer tech 🤔
fleet portal
same, was shy to try it
coarse nest
fervent yoke
What is the rotation with the new talents?
Wowhead guide is updated.. check pins
Attempt to look something up before asking questions, especially at your place of work. People will like you more..
half valve
"attempt to look somthing up before asking questions" that RL version of "zugzug less". Dont look shit up mate, dont ask questions just zug.
bitter fable
Am uproar slayer tech 🤔
ngl tried that om brood was quite fun ^^
plush ravine
What is better at the moment for M+ - Fury or Arms?
last falcon
is it worth crafting a 619 weapon or should i aim for just completing enough keys to get my 636 ?
pearl crypt
"attempt to look somthing up before asking questions" that RL version of "zugzug...
Blasphemy
feral ivy
i feel like this was answered and question but thane is for keys 10+ and thane is 1-9
pearl crypt
is it worth crafting a 619 weapon or should i aim for just completing enough key...
I did it and i regret it. But it depends on how loaded you are
vapid tiger
Or how long it will take you to get the gilded.
last falcon
I did it and i regret it. But it depends on how loaded you are
i do have the money to make it but im currently holding out until i can get enough of the crests to make it
just more wondering if the embelishment is worth or not
like how massive of an upgrade is it
vapid tiger
I eventually made mine because I was falling behind ilvl of pug groups and folks didnt like I wasn't a DK. needed to compensate
last falcon
okay ty you all ❤️ much love
nimble ermine
sounds about right
long prairie
average pug experience
last falcon
healer leaves
i had a key where as soon as i started the healer went offline and later the people he joined with said that his power went out so that was fun
vapid tiger
Anything big to avoid on third craft? I see the guide says to use to fill gaps but I have a bit. Could do ring, neck, back, etc
fervent yoke
The m+ plus community is so toxic blizz needs to do something with the system
Some classes just aren’t able to get loot unless they have a guild or carry group
placid violet
you should obviously craft a shield for 3rd craft, as fury will be dead in 2 weeks
so go tank instead
flint otter
I had a SoB +10 the other day where I died twice in the first 5 minutes. Slowrolled threat, but got an unlucky hook RIGHT into slobber knocker - and the other death was because the tank died. My DPS took a hit because I died twice in 3 pulls. Healer goes "Wow, this fury warrior fuckin sucks 800k DPS overall lmao"
I'm still salty about that
vapid tiger
you should obviously craft a shield for 3rd craft, as fury will be dead in 2 wee...
...debated it lmao. Would shield be a good craft for them? nevermind
flint otter
I WAS OUT OF THE FIGHTS DAMMIT
livid marsh
give out a 3h lockout from dungeons when you leave a key before the timer runs out
accountwide ofc
livid marsh
ff vote or when the timer runs out would fix so much
like we literally JUST STARTED didnt even pull the first pack
tulip swallow
just remove depletes and be done with it
if the keyholder wasn't punished it wouldn't be nearly as bad
queen linden
They punish people for leaving dungeon ques early, should be able to punish people for leaving keys early.
livid marsh
if it wouldnt be so toxic to pug in general the key depletion wouldnt be to big of a deal
barren coral
i feel like if i had to ask each player i invite to a NW key how to beat the 3rd boss without BL
id just never play NW again
lilac basin
what's the point of key depletion
flint otter
challenge
hidden kite
So is fury trash
queen linden
Not sure if this has been posted yet. I know people were asking yesterday what we could do to help with the affix.
tulip swallow
Right now fury is pretty good, when they put through the target cap nerfs it's going to be sussy
tiny bridge
Not sure if this has been posted yet. I know people were asking yesterday what w...
taking bitter immunity not worth it
pearl sequoia
just play with a resto sham, they clear everything
tulip swallow
A lot of healers just don't have it on their UI
pearl sequoia
tulip swallow
is my only explanation
charred panther
Impending gets like 1/3 of it
queen linden
I know its not worth it lol
charred panther
Had a resto my buddy w with ina pug not have the totem talented
Or priests not wanting to mass. Crazy world
golden hare
a lot of people don't read
hasty tide
So we all swapping to scaly bois this month ?
neat totem
If you’re rage capped and get a blast of power proc would you still use BT/BB or would you prioritize rampage to avoid rage capping?
oblique trail
taking bitter immunity not worth it
How is it not worth?
You can easily pick up BI and have everything else you'd reasonably want
modest condor
healer affix Bedge
hidden kite
What is bitter immunity 🙂
weary sail
Cleanse the affiz
oblique trail
With the pug healers I've played with I'd rather not let it be in their hands
They're all demons
oblique trail
But it's not only 3-4 classes
weary sail
FeelsWarriorMan
oblique trail
Which of the weekly affixes is tied to only a few classes?
sullen dove
warm crag
i think you need to stop posting this in public
sullen dove
too scandalous
oblique trail
i think you need to stop posting this in public
sullen dove
warm crag
modest condor
I really hate affix that literally only 3-4 classes can deal w it
good thing we dont have any affixes like that anymore then
oblique trail
Evidently we do
sullen dove
https://tenor.com/view/cat-run-camera-gif-26349837
oblique trail
Otherwise they'd not mention it
modest condor
which one?
tiny bridge
You can easily pick up BI and have everything else you'd reasonably want
what would you drop then?
oblique trail
Idk that's why I asked
warm crag
that one
oblique trail
what would you drop then?
1 point in overwhelming rage
The rage cap is whatever since you're perma rage capped during CDs anyway
modest condor
raging really was a shit affix with how only like 4 classes could deal with it yeah
oblique trail
Is what I've been using
If you don't feel the need for BI you can move it to Rumbling or wherever else
tiny bridge
i guess thats fair
modest condor
it sucks because in city of threads both honed reflexes and second wind have niche uses and you're missing both with that build
tiny bridge
maybe im just too conservative, i dont like an idea of dropping standard talent build to be able to clear every 2nd affix
modest condor
just bring a shaman
oblique trail
Crackling Thunder honestly should be removed imo
tiny bridge
like, if you just go immedietly impending vitory after it appears, shouldnt be it easy enough for healer?
oblique trail
From the build
modest condor
yeah i dont agree with crackling thunder being in the standard build either
weary sail
maybe im just too conservative, i dont like an idea of dropping standard talent ...
At least we have a choice unlike DH 
feral ivy
shammys evokers (i think only pres) and priest are BIS this week because of the affix.
warm crag
Which of the weekly affixes is tied to only a few classes?
can you respond to this
oblique trail
You can!
oblique trail
i cant reply to two people at once
Like this @warm crag !
oblique trail
this is still one person?
@young swan
lavish beacon
feral ivy
run 300 of stone vault still not trink or neck 😦
let me get rid of transmitter PLS BLIZZ
warm crag
???
nimble ermine
let me get rid of my bis
feral ivy
its better but its annoying to use
nimble ermine
oh how i wish i could trade my myth khardos for a fucking transmitter
feral ivy
i just want another trink for m+
sullen dove
oic leap
nimble ermine
transmitter is still bis for m+
feral ivy
it is but just annoying to chase a ball or get lost in group of mobs or stand in a puddle for few seconds. happens sometimes but annoying when it does
feral ivy
yea i know
sinful orbit
I Alweys try to pre use it
feral ivy
but when im focus on not dying im not focusing on trink
nimble ermine
feral ivy
thats a creepy gif
eager thorn
anyone got any opinions on whats better, bigwigs or dbm
sullen dove
https://tenor.com/view/broob-broseidon-smitty-gif-24263466
SIUUUUUUU
warm crag
dbm tells you what to do bigwigs shows you timers
sullen dove
Hey man dbm has timers too
eager thorn
would it be worth grabbing both? i've only ever used bigwigs
sullen dove
kind of
warm crag
yeah you definitely should pick up two addons that do the same exact thing so your tracking is twice as good
(id just stick to bigwigs i think most high end guilds do)
sullen dove
eager thorn
eager thorn
yea i just wanted to know what is better/more optimal
warm crag
arent nsky auras usually based off of bigwigs?
eager thorn
as im starting to get into harder content
warm crag
you can do everything with both
warm crag
i dont think you can do that at all
you also already have a circle under you on sikran why do you need a range indicator ontop of that
eager thorn
warm crag
yeah that does not exist anymore
heavy dock
bigwigs looks goofy to me i dont like it lol
eager thorn
but i just did it
warm crag
shouldnt work properly
deep jetty
It doesn't work like it used to anymore
eager thorn
you also already have a circle under you on sikran why do you need a range indic...
and idk gm just said to do it to help understand. im mainly a classic player so most new stuff is just, well new to me
golden hare
bw also has that but not a radar lol
warm crag
bigwigs looks goofy to me i dont like it lol
my screen flashing red while i hear the "run away little girl!!!" sound effect playing is more goofy but sure
nimble ermine
i love bigwigs woman saying "feet"
feral ivy
where is run away little girl from?
lavish beacon
my screen flashing red while i hear the "run away little girl!!!" sound effect p...
It always takes me way back when hearing that
warm crag
should be original karazhan? idk tho
warm crag
all i know is that theres a worgen in return to karazhan that does the voiceline if you ask him to
pretty funny
barren coral
ATP i just hope they hotfix disable NW
being unfun is one thing
but im essentially locked out of progging bc nobody joining this dung
warm crag
reasonable i think
nimble ermine
valid
eager thorn
is it bugged or smth
eager thorn
i dont normally have issues getting ppl
humble plover
i wanna run it
eager thorn
like maybe a tank but thats every dg
warm crag
do you not have guildies or
nimble ermine
wipe on 3rd with pugs means no spears
humble plover
barren coral
to fill a +7-+10 NW with a solid pug it takes 50~ minutes
grim batol? maybe 1 IRL blink
warm crag
wipe on 3rd with pugs means no spears
you dont need spears to kill the boss
eager thorn
wipe on 3rd with pugs means no spears
u dont need spears
just focus the add its not hard
nimble ermine
you dont need spears to kill the boss
i know
feral ivy
NW? i herd there is a bug with rogues if they vanish or some ability they ussualy spam the hooks go down instead of straight and never hit the boss
barren coral
just focus the add its not hard
nobody does, i start asking people how to clear the boss with no BL and i kick them if they dont know
im so fucking exhausted
legit braindead fight if you just use hekili
because hekili wouldnt hold cooldowns like an idiot for you
eager thorn
i mean i think using cooldowns on boss + add is better than just nuking add
barren coral
depends imo, if add is 25% when boss comes down sure
but if its like 40-50%
ur wiped
eager thorn
idts personally
cerulean badger
Quick question guys, for M+ as Thane, in the off cd (avatar reck etc) rotation, the prio is Empowered clap, RB, BB then Rampage right?
we are not delaying rampage for bt/rb hits is what im asking basically
warm crag
tb > rb > bb > ramp goes crazy
i believe the wowhead section has a rotation section that goes into this
arctic sinew
i believe the wowhead section has a rotation section that goes into this
Big if true
calm quartz
Think I've seen the abominations hooks hit warlocks infernal
rigid sorrel
Why is that, that Battle Shout has a 15 sec CD when all other raid buffs have none?
calm quartz
And priests summon too
arctic sinew
99% of rotation questions can prob be answered by reading archi's guide
nimble ermine
Why is that, that Battle Shout has a 15 sec CD when all other raid buffs have no...
because you see
barren coral
Think I've seen the abominations hooks hit warlocks infernal
it hits literally anything with a healthbar
warm crag
Why is that, that Battle Shout has a 15 sec CD when all other raid buffs have no...
why do you care lol
cerulean badger
yes, im sorry for asking, i checked the rotations site, i just wanted to be sure
barren coral
totems, pets, summons, mini, monk healing shit
calm quartz
Really, that's so cringe lol
warm crag
yes, im sorry for asking, i checked the rotations site, i just wanted to be sure
wowhead should be pretty accurate just make sure that it fits the talents you are currently playing
warm crag
it hits literally anything with a healthbar
i have literally never seen it hit anything other than the boss or a player
do you have a clip of that
nimble ermine
it hits dk pets lol
warm crag
anyone got a clip of that or
rigid sorrel
why do you care lol
Why aren't you just silent if you don't have the answer lol
nimble ermine
dunno if it still does since they apparently (((fixed))) it
warm crag
Why aren't you just silent if you don't have the answer lol
why don't you answer my question
rigid sorrel
why don't you answer my question
Answer mine first maybe?
warm crag
what effective difference does it make that bshout has a cd and arcane intellect doesnt
covert coyote
It hits shaman totems. Lost plenty of keys from that
calm quartz
I'm a certified battle shout 15 second cd hater
nimble ermine
because there is no answer to it, it just has a cd
warm crag
one guy dies in the pull you bshout them a second guy dies he gets brezed instantly aswell and now you have a 14 second lockout on bshouting them oh no who cares lmao you have bigger problems than that
nimble ermine
it having a cd should quite literally not matter
rigid sorrel
You don't reply to a question with a question, did nobody teach you that?
warm crag
i do
now answer my question why it having a cd matters
because you will find that it is of no importance lol
rigid sorrel
And I care because it makes no sense to have BS on a cd
rigid sorrel
It's annoying
Thanks
eager thorn
so wait 15s or dont miss
warm crag
this will affect my progress
covert coyote
lol ok
rigid sorrel
so wait 15s or dont miss
5Head
plain ember
ive had like approximately one time in several where the 15s cd mattered at all
rigid sorrel
Warri DC getting Blizzard Forum vibes pls go back there
eager thorn
hey guys can we remove the cooldown of this spell cos i missed an aoe abil with 100 yards range
warm crag
"it annoys me" is a valid answer you couldve given in the first place
nimble ermine
but as spongie said
if you have to shout again
within 15s
you got bigger issues
placid stag
Apparently, most people still going Slayer in mplus
Am i wrong or missing something?
plain ember
And that was cause people dying and then brez and then shout and then other monkey dies and get brezz and has no shout for 10s lmao
eager thorn
well half the classes in the game dont need bshout anyway
rigid sorrel
"it annoys me" is a valid answer you couldve given in the first place
And you could just answer normaly instead of making fun of a simple question in the first place
plain ember
Its like a minor inconvenience at worst
nimble ermine
Apparently, most people still going Slayer in mplus
Am i wrong or missing someth...
its still good
rigid sorrel
Done arguing with internet People holy shit
warm crag
idk ive personally literally never had a fight where two melee players die in a 5+ minute pull so we have 2 rezes, but like staggered in a way where my shout wouldnt have hit both
warm crag
And you could just answer normaly instead of making fun of a simple question in ...
"why do you care" is clearly making fun of you instead of inquiring about why you care
eager thorn
the real alpha move is just not recasting battle shout for the dead people
plain ember
Like i said its happened to me 1 times in several years lol
eager thorn
cant lose 1gcd in the parse
placid stag
its still good
Fact is: is it still good or is it still BETTER?
eager thorn
if its happened 1 time in several years then what pushed you to complain abt it here
seems a bit weird
wicked vault
You guys playing bitter immunity this week? Or fucj heals
wicked vault
healer affix
Cool
eager thorn
if you need to
warm crag
bitter immunity is a fine choice to make but i think things are pretty bad if you MUST pick bitter immunity to deal with the affix
wicked vault
You know how it is with pugs…
barren coral
i think out of 12 NW dungs ive done
tank has not died on first pull 4 times
is tanking this hard actually?
because i feel like ill be going bald
wicked vault
Healer fault obviously
warm crag
You know how it is with pugs…
barren coral
i dont understand what coudl possibly be this difficult about tanking
that requires a death on 1st pull
warm crag
raid rashanan enrages at like 6:30 or 7:00
wicked vault
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781981140009091075/1293540606559256686/im...
Holy macarroni
nimble ermine
did your healer just refuse to do the affix
cosmic sundial
How we feeling about MT in raid, specifically Ovi'nax? Simming it vs Slayer is giving like 170k dps increase but I'm not sold after using it myself. M+ it's great though
warm crag
assume he just didnt know how it worked, not like it matters much
bitter palm
now answer my question why it having a cd matters
adhd
i wanna bshout on cd while jumping around waiting to pull
nimble ermine
still kinda funny tho
barren coral
How we feeling about MT in raid, specifically Ovi'nax? Simming it vs Slayer is g...
i wouldnt
nimble ermine
i wanna bshout on cd while jumping around waiting to pull
real
warm crag
How we feeling about MT in raid, specifically Ovi'nax? Simming it vs Slayer is g...
you can play thane on ovinax itll be better for spider damage
you better have a good way of dealing with the roots though
(dwarf)
bitter palm
seismic goes hard on that boss
warm crag
i personally wouldnt bother though RA slayer is fine if you want to focus on bossdamage while still having your 90s timers
depends on your comp
warm crag
i wanna bshout on cd while jumping around waiting to pull
ww noob
plain ember
I wasnt the one complaining tho
warm crag
plain ember
lol
warm crag
don't do that again!
arctic sinew
why are u thane in raid
It felt pretty good on court
rapid stag
we still playting slayer in raid?
warm crag
ye
warm crag
damn !!!!!
proud leaf
still put to shame by arms though
pearl crypt
https://tenor.com/view/polish-toilet-gif-19649855
POLISH TOILET
proud leaf
mostly add damage when the three little guys come out
and multi-target damage when the bosses are together
warm crag
i think he just padded like theres no tomorrow and no one else has hands to press buttons on adds in that raid
oblique trail
Don't ask how Spongie got his r1 ansurek HC parse
warm crag
like wtf is this lol
warm crag
Don't ask how Spongie got his r1 ansurek HC parse
Uh oh!
eager thorn
like wtf is this lol
Ye p sure the r1 brood hc is like a half dead raid and only add clearer being fury
eager thorn
They are to me
warm crag
eager thorn
dusty cove
At what point do you spell reflect on last boss in siege? I have a weakaura telling me when it comes out but it dosent seem to do it in time
warm crag
i have never seen a successful reflect on that and @tidal kindle refuses to show me proof
pearl crypt
winter shoal
JA CLAPPA
humble plover
winter shoal
gaunt moat
wtf happened
pearl crypt
Gromski plosk happened
gaunt moat
did you guys had the tirna scithe bug on second boss where she show the arrows but don't send the balls?
midnight obsidian
wait its a hammer
gaunt moat
i just had it
midnight obsidian
i thought it was a lightning question mark
charred panther
did you guys had the tirna scithe bug on second boss where she show the arrows b...
Yes
pearl sequoia
At what point do you spell reflect on last boss in siege? I have a weakaura tell...
dont u have to spell reflect before it starts casting so its a gamble
warm crag
wait its a hammer
he woke up ..
charred panther
Arrows even moved w the boss
dusty cove
dont u have to spell reflect before it starts casting so its a gamble
I tired that but I feel like it expires before
velvet obsidian
Pretty sure you can reflect the squid spit. You watch the ability timer and use reflect when it comes off cd since it is (?) an instant cast.
warm crag
i assume, if that reflect is even real, you need to be the primary target of it, have the reflect before the cast and have reflect up during the entire travel time of the water thing travelling towards you
velvet obsidian
Yup
warm crag
i still havent seen a clip of this so it doesnt exist to me
gaunt moat
i still havent seen a clip of this so it doesnt exist to me
find one spongie you're supposed to show us the way
dusty cove
yeah it shows the debuff as a spell reflect on the spreadsheet
velvet obsidian
I'll see if I can get one today for ya, but I'd have to get in a Siege group first 
A Siege group that makes it to squid boss without some random pug having a temper tantrum
queen linden
like wtf is this lol
Spikes don't count.
hollow raptor
Thoughts on mountain Thane for mythic brood?
warm crag
Spikes don't count.
it says that
winter shoal
Thoughts on mountain Thane for mythic brood?
Adds probably don't live long enough to be better than slayer I think
warm crag
Thoughts on mountain Thane for mythic brood?
its fine if you're a dwarf
better spider maybe better bossdamage
but you dont have relentless pursuit to clear roots
proud leaf
what are ya'll running in keys, sacbrood or something else? spelunker's candle is simming .2% higher for me
thick fossil
A Siege group that makes it to squid boss without some random pug having a tempe...
My favorite is still the clown that dies to the first boss, and bitches at me for not taunting the boss off em.
eager thorn
what are ya'll running in keys, sacbrood or something else? spelunker's candle i...
Sacbrood and transmitter for me
eager thorn
So why keep them locked
craggy seal
dumb question, but with mountain thane are we sending rampage to avoid rage cap during burst even if it means losing RA procs
eager thorn
If it doesnt matter
warm crag
because i want to play the race i want to play
meager void
yeah, shadowmeld, what a useless racial...
hollow raptor
but you dont have relentless pursuit to clear roots
What if I go full critcake and get freedom for every web set
proud leaf
listen
open prairie
yeah rn it doesnt really matter what you play
eager thorn
And cos we were talking about clearing roots
warm crag
What if I go full critcake and get freedom for every web set
then your guild is probably trolling and risking webs going on the tank
storm meadow
These ones. I don't like the mental burden of the transmitter for M+
winter shoal
dumb question, but with mountain thane are we sending rampage to avoid rage cap ...
Your answer is somewhere in here but I'm at work so can't spend the time looking through it myself
hollow raptor
then your guild is probably trolling and risking webs going on the tank
Is that how it works? I thought it would just immune the application not remove the chance of getting them altogether
warm crag
yeah rn it doesnt really matter what you play
my guild determined that the dps loss is too big from me playing my preferred race and gave me the gold to racechange to a better race
open prairie
my guild determined that the dps loss is too big from me playing my preferred ra...
oh wait you werent vulpera as a meme?
warm crag
it is a meme and i wanted to stay on it
storm meadow
dumb question, but with mountain thane are we sending rampage to avoid rage cap ...
Reckless Abandon likely favors spending BB/CB rather than managing Rage efficiently. With Anger Management it's another story
warm crag
but just cause it doesnt matter to 99% of players doesnt mean that the other 1% dont exist
warm crag
i mean vulpera just doesnt have a dps racial
theres like 2 other races that dont have one either
open prairie
Yeah i was talking comparing the races
that actually have one
different is less than 1%?
eager thorn
Ok but i wasnt
warm crag
vulpera was just historically lower cause the warr implementation omega griefed ther acial usage
eager thorn
Cos ppl dont want to only just play those races
warm crag
different is less than 1%?
okay but this doesnt matter at all
keen kindle
Play what looks cool
warm crag
hows that an argument "against" "let me pick my preferred race and pick my preferred racials"
eager thorn
Can’t just talk about where races have meaningful differences and say “i wasnt talking abt those ones”
warm crag
lol
open prairie
idk because it doesnt matter
warm crag
do you like not play at a level where it matters or
eager thorn
So you think it doesnt matter but still argue against people wanting to be happy?
open prairie
most people dont
warm crag
racechanging was literally better for me than buying a boe midseason
open prairie
i mean i play dwarf because its more useful
low folio
i mean 1% really doesnt matter in the vast majority of content
warm crag
most people dont
so argue for the decoupling of race from racial instead of saying "it doesnt matter" because it very obviously does make a difference if the entire rwf team suddenly racechanges gnome out of nowhere
eager thorn
Look at evoker too
open prairie
yeah rwf vs
wary fjord
That's for rwf
eager thorn
Evoker very much matters
open prairie
game shouldnt be balanced around rwf
eager thorn
And is being nerfed cos of it
warm crag
game shouldnt be balanced around rwf
there is no balancing here
eager thorn
Dracthyr rather
warm crag
some races suck while other races bring good stuff
the only reasonable take to have here is decoupling racials from races
saying "it doesnt matter" ignores the issues i provided lol
low folio
i mean racials are cool and technically matter in the sense of what you want but its not really an actual problem blizzard has to deal with with any high priority
warm crag
i think from the stance of the game being an rpg game around creating a character and experiencing the world it is incredibly high prio to fix this shit
dnd figured out that coupling races with racials fucking sucks
low folio
but its only a problem to a small amount of people. small number, small problem
warm crag
but its only a problem to a small amount of people. small number, small problem
okay and
doesnt make it any less valid
eager thorn
Doesnt necessarily matter if its for a small amt of people
low folio
i mean it technically does it terms of importance
eager thorn
If 5000 people cant log in at all blizz arent gonna not fix it cos small number of ppl
open prairie
racechanges make them money too
eager thorn
Personally i wanna fly around the world for 3h levelling to 80 but why would i choose to be earthen
open prairie
so doubt they change it
coarse nest
I actually really enjoy my human racial this tier
The get out of jail free card
Is nice to have
warm crag
if your only point is "its not that important since it only matters in high end!!!" maybe you dont have a reasonable point lol
low folio
in terms of blizzards stand point. they have a higher risk making it worse for the majority to fix a problem thats insignificant
eager thorn
Who does it make it worse for
warm crag
huh????
eager thorn
Its legit a buff for everyone
low folio
idk blizzard can fuck it up
warm crag
idk blizzard can fuck it up
crazy line of thinking
low folio
i dont really care that much but thats because the problem doesnt matter
eager thorn
Ok so you dont have an argument you just have no faith in blizzard
wary fjord
They incentive having racials stay the same, so they can sell race changes
tranquil zenith
The get out of jail free card
It’s underrated for sure. People will just say ‘ It’s not optimal because I don’t make mistakes.’ Like sure buddy
eager thorn
All these ppl not caring a lot but arguing abt it on discord hmmge
warm crag
i dont really care that much but thats because the problem doesnt matter
im gonna be real its not really productive to just go "the problem doesnt matter" when i am literally one of the few people this matters to
like tell me that it doesnt matter when my guild thought it was a good expense to pay for my faction transfer for the literal competetive advantage i get from it
tranquil zenith
stop having concerns I don’t think are concerns
eager thorn
tranquil zenith
My brain is bigger than yours
bitter palm
im gonna be real its not really productive to just go "the problem doesnt matter...
sucks to be you bud!
coarse nest
like tell me that it doesnt matter when my guild thought it was a good expense t...
Out of curiosity what were the two races involved in this?
low folio
i mean its just a fair point. its a problem almsot nobody wants fixed so blizzard will only partially deal with it by nerfing racials like they always have
warm crag
vulpera to anything else
eager thorn
The anything else is wild
hardy cargo
have we discovered what causes the MT thunder blast not proccing bug?
warm crag
i picked velf cause it was like top 3 and sark did shadow damage and belf skeleton has nice animations
bitter palm
i picked velf cause it was like top 3 and sark did shadow damage and belf skelet...
velf is cool
im velf
warm crag
vulpera simming less than no race probably
i had the conditional looked at back in df s1
eager thorn
I’m orc
bitter palm
hi orc
eager thorn
Big green man
warm crag
so it was fixed to be the same as every other non offensive racial
eager thorn
Hi JA CLAPPA
bitter palm
<12481208368132
eager thorn
bitter palm
i had the conditional looked at back in df s1
shit game
bitter palm
i havent read anything u typed cause i cba but
you should be able to mix and match racials and races
bitter palm
apl did rend cs bag of tricks
wary fjord
Hilarious
hardy cargo
apl did rend cs bag of tricks
bitter palm
@warm crag pretty sure vulpera->velf is more than a 1% increase xd
bitter palm
way more dpeending on when it procs
warm crag
one day they decouple it and returns
dry hawk
Is arms really that far ahead in raid right now
bitter palm
one day they decouple it and <:her:1246582680225714236> returns
mfs will regem and reenchant for 0.7% dps and then play some random race
round karma
sbitter
bitter palm
shit design
dusty cove
is it more important to spend the rage to avoid capping before pressing OF?
oblique trail
mfs will regem and reenchant for 0.7% dps and then play some random race
I just regemmed and re-enchanted for 0.8% gain for Court only
thin cliff
mfs will regem and reenchant for 0.7% dps and then play some random race
looking good is a 3% aura gain
oblique trail
It cost me 30k gold
bitter palm
based
bitter palm
looking good is a 3% aura gain
+10000 aura naked female tauren with fyralath
tranquil zenith
I dunno man if you aren’t a human with a big metal stick fighting monsters what’re you doing
heavy dock
my screen flashing red while i hear the "run away little girl!!!" sound effect p...
If you have the og pack, which i do
But its classic
tranquil zenith
Big metal stick and a helmets all you need
heavy dock
Bigwigs is just the gen z version
bitter palm
can do that irl
heavy dock
With the cartoon sound effects
eager thorn
Have you tried
bitter palm
many times
eager thorn
I see
somber elk
for me thane sims like 120k less than slyer in m+ build, do I have a wrong build or something? 😄
bitter palm
3 8 and 7
somber elk
What are the parameters of the sim?
1 target 5 min patchwork
tender star
thick fossil
Aah, yeah ST slayer is still a little better. Try 5 target 3-4 min.
dusty cove
1 target 5 min patchwork
thats the problem. Patchwork is ST only
modest condor
in st slayer is better but not 120k better
somber elk
I know but ppl said thane is only behind like a small margin
modest condor
especially not in aoe build
delicate thicket
is there a macro for swapping ww to thunderclap in mountain thane?
compact warren
i think from the stance of the game being an rpg game around creating a characte...
How is making every race the same the 'rpg' thing to do. It seems to me just you just want to play a calculator not a role playing game if you care about racials
dusty cove
I know but ppl said thane is only behind like a small margin
7%, like the guide says
somber elk
7%, like the guide says
guide says 2%
warm crag
How is making every race the same the 'rpg' thing to do. It seems to me just you...
idk dnd managed to do it and it doesnt seem to ruin the rpg aspect of it
dusty cove
guide says 2%
on warrior updates it says -7%
modest condor
no it says ~2%
warm crag
but yes as it stands if i want to play wow for its high end raiding i basically have to play it as a calculator instead of being able to pick the race and look i want
radiant plank
"This puts Thane ~7% behind Slayer in single target, ~2% behind in single target with a multitarget build"
short cobalt
It’s hard to choose between VC and TR but VC feels good for bosses the mobs die so fast after 35%
valid drum
right yeah that, thats what I seen
I mean, you won't ever play thane in a ST scenario if you care about performance and in aoe build it's 2% behind. Not that hard
lament lagoon
It’s hard to choose between VC and TR but VC feels good for bosses the mobs die ...
Tr prop better for this week
Imo
short cobalt
💯
runic wren
into raid we still playing slayer?
charred panther
Yea
If the adds die fast, slayer
If st, slayer
2 or more targets over a longer period of time - maybe MT
vague copper
What gems should we run to get as much bang for the buks for
vague copper
Ty
fringe vale
just heads up, when u sim it, it will most likely tell you to gem only 1 kind of gem. This is bc stacking dif gems is less dps than just running with what the sim suggest. the .15% aint that big compared to just stacking stats.
Or at least thats what i deducted based on the sims always telling me.
bot never wrong, skynet is now.
somber elk
does anyone have a tb weakaura?
ornate gust
any guide of how to play the mountian thane build in mythic+ ?
wise wharf
What Fury Build Should i play on Mythic Rashaan when im assigned to do the ads?
coarse nest
Play the raid cleave build
warm crag
look at the cd timers on lorrgs
wise wharf
on top logs they play single target because adds are calculated out
orchid dagger
What Fury Build Should i play on Mythic Rashaan when im assigned to do the ads?
Doesn't matter, you aren't parsing
hardy cargo
supposedly in the next partition they are adding them back
winter shoal
Yeah for 11.0.5
heavy galleon
What do you prioritaze on MT burst AoE ?
You rampage clap rampage clap rampage clap ?
winter shoal
Clap has a cd so no
TB (enraged ) > CB > ramp
If you're not enraged, use ramp
No BB because ravager will be using it for you
heavy galleon
I mean there is no "combo" to CB/BT/Rampage and overcap rage
we just press rampage when we can, even if we don't have tier set buff right ?
quick zodiac
Aoe is basically rampage-bb-CB use Thunderclap procs when u get
And normal clap If ww stacks gone
warm crag
on top logs they play single target because adds are calculated out
i think some of them still play the correct timings
sec
this looks correct to me no
glad coyote
for slaughtering strikes you let it stack up to 5 before pushing BT?
devout totem
feels good no dying every dungeon pull with thane now
winter shoal
for slaughtering strikes you let it stack up to 5 before pushing BT?
You never factor slaughtering strikes stacks into your rotation for any reason
Just follow the priority regardless of how many stacks you have
ornate gust
If I play Odyn's Fury in Mountain Thane build, should I charge, Thunder Clap then send CDs or I charge, send CDs then Thunder Blast ?
fading sky
This is without titanic rage?
coarse nest
This is with the OF talents
winter shoal
CB
coarse nest
It’s so your first unhinged cast from ravager is a BB and also so you don’t munch a potential TB proc from that BB
fading sky
Ofc, but then titanic talent looses more valur
dusty cove
whats the difference in others simms between slayer and than for dungeon slice? mine is only like 110K
Thought it was meant to be 14%
fading sky
And vicous smells even bettet
ornate gust
I like to do this
why Ramp? Avater enrage you
coarse nest
why Ramp? Avater enrage you
winter shoal
I like to do this
I know Archi and others were discussing delaying ravagar a bit more to make sure the unhinged doesn't overcap you on TB stacks but I can't seem to find it
So like roar > ramp > TB > rav > CB
ornate gust
I dont think the opener is that important since the burst is not that high.. we focus on the sustain aoe dps
winter shoal
I mean opener is always kind of important
ornate gust
if you want to burst, just play slayer build
winter shoal
The relative difference in making a mistake during opener is going to be multiplied by your cds
modest condor
you'd be surprised how high the thane burst is
it's just not all in the first 5 seconds, but rather in the first ~10-15 seconds
winter shoal
Whereas if you make a mistake outside of cds, it's still bad, but less bad
sand crest
opener is important in so far as failing what you feel is the proper opener can throw you off and make you mess up the base rotation for a few gcds
signal dew
can someone pm me if you understand how to use/read logs. i have a few questions.
modest condor
here's what the damage profile of thane looks like on 5 targets http://puu.sh/Kgp6S/338245121b.png
fickle bobcat
guys what do you recommend now mt or slayer? for m+
sand crest
frost dk
winter shoal
guys what do you recommend now mt or slayer? for m+
Thane better the longer packs live (so higher key levels), lower key levels slayer probably still better but also they're low keys so anything works, just do what you want
ornate gust
guys what do you recommend now mt or slayer? for m+
i will give MT a try tonight.. just searching and learning the build
fickle bobcat
@winter shoal from 10 to max 11 keys still slayer or mt?
signal dew
Ask your questions bud
im not trying to be the best of the best, but im trying to be good im still learning to play fury in pve. i wanted to see if someone can take a look at my logs and i was going to ask what is a proper rotation. theres times i feel like i should be doing more dps than what im doing.
dusty cove
am I on only one who actually prefers slayer to thane?
winter shoal
<@138757776707944448> from 10 to max 11 keys still slayer or mt?
Idk homie probably thane
I'm still a +10 andy at this point in the season
signal dew
am I on only one who actually prefers slayer to thane?
i play slayer i hear thane is up and coming but never tried myself honestly
frozen lake
am I on only one who actually prefers slayer to thane?
I do. Thunderclap just doesn't feel right compared to WW wooosh wooosh
rustic cape
On something like heroic queen, is it worth running the MT spec for the aoe?
dusty cove
i play slayer i hear thane is up and coming but never tried myself honestly
ive tried it on dummies and sims show it as better.
But yeah I just like getting bladestorm more
winter shoal
im not trying to be the best of the best, but im trying to be good im still lear...
You can find the rotation here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
You can log yourself against a dummy, compare to a sim against a target dummy, and compare to the rotation on there and see if they match up. If they do, you're playing correctly. If they don't, identify what you're doing wrong from that
coarse nest
I’ve been running MT in 10/11 it feels great
Personal best so far is 1.5m overall in akara
I’ve done more as slayer tbh but it’s highly dependent on tank pulls
I only pug
dusty cove
yeah, I dont argue that thane is better for M+. Just prefer the style of slayer
coarse nest
And like Sil said thane actually does good burst too it’s just not as “instant” as slayer
modest condor
yeah you wont see a 12mil burst in the first 3 gcds as thane
coarse nest
Kind of a good thing really because we die to aggro issues as warrior if we’re not patient
modest condor
but 6mil after 15 seconds is still burst
verbal vortex
Can't use thunderclap glyph on fury what a scam
signal dew
You can find the rotation here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fu...
dope thanks ill take a look at it, im still new to using sim and logs but ill mess with it and figure it out. usually other people are logging me so thats how ive seen some stuff
dusty cove
I hope they revert the overwhelmed nerf. Treat us like mages and just buff thane more, dont ruin slayer
rustic cape
My guild is proving heroic queen tonight. I've always ran the m+ slayer spec for her on normal. Does it make sense to give MT a try for prog?
winter shoal
Personal best so far is 1.5m overall in akara
I did like 1.6m in a key (I think NW but don't remember) which I think is slightly higher than my slayer average, but that kind of thing is highly volatile based on pug tanks
rustic cape
Progging*
quiet geyser
Personal best so far is 1.5m overall in akara
I got 1.8m in a 10 kara last night, first time MT just smashing buttons lmao
coarse nest
I did like 1.6m in a key (I think NW but don't remember) which I think is slight...
My best NW was also 1.6 but as slayer
Yeah thane owns
Akara is sick for overalls
quiet geyser
The initial burst honestly doesn't seem worse than slayer, its insanely good still
winter shoal
The initial burst honestly doesn't seem worse than slayer, its insanely good sti...
Yeah ava into triple TB is big burst
coarse nest
I watch details and I’m like sick I’m still over 2m overall
Then tank pulls the middle
Fffffff
quiet geyser
But like... rava + rotation damage is also just as good if not better than slayer beefed up bladestorm
dusty cove
winter shoal
Stun boy hurts
quiet geyser
It was trucking
coarse nest
Right or left is good yeah
winter shoal
But like... rava + rotation damage is also just as good if not better than slaye...
People were saying rav is nudle button now but idk I haven't done enough keys to verify
modest condor
ravager itself doesnt really do a lot of damage no
coarse nest
Ravager does less damage than BS but you get to cast rotation during its duration
modest condor
but it allows you to keep doing your rotation and gives you free bloodbaths
tidal kindle
i have never seen a successful reflect on that and <@134176953291767808> refuses...
Youre in luck im spamming siege for ring
Will get it for you
coarse nest
What where!?
tidal kindle
Or doe trying
winter shoal
Crit mast ring?
tidal kindle
Crit mast ring?
Haste
coarse nest
My guild is proving heroic queen tonight. I've always ran the m+ slayer spec for...
Nah stay raiding cleave build and be the root killer
modest condor
you cant reflect the debuff on the last boss in siege tho
warm crag
Youre in luck im spamming siege for ring
i dont have that ring simming above the one from the haste ring in grim batol
do you have ansurek ring?
coarse nest
Got the warbound equip queen ring on my first kill
Grim batol refuse to drop umbri band
barren coral
is there a reason to have all 5 set pieces ?
i see a lot of high geared players using them all
winter shoal
Also easier to have myth track tier pieces than non-tier pieces at this point for high end players
Like NW helmet is better than tier helmet usually, but you would've only had like 2 or 3 chances to get that on myth track from vault
desert cloud
frozen portal
What talent am I dropping to take bitter immunity
feral ivy
anyone swapping to drakthyr?
coarse nest
If you insist you’d drop rumbling earth or a point in overwhelming rage
lusty monolith
you guys like mountain thane or slayer more for keys right now?
coarse nest
Having a lot of fun with thane myself
olive wraith
IV helps a fair amount with the affix
verbal vortex
Thane is pretty fun
silk wharf
What talent am I dropping to take bitter immunity
impending victory almost covers the heal amount. Just make sure you can see that you have it.
signal dew
Having a lot of fun with thane myself
How’s the dps compared to slayer?
coarse nest
They’re fairly similar
quiet geyser
Far more consistent
sly bobcat
The talent you drop for bitter immunity is making sure you have a shaman in your group and ignoring the affix
coarse nest
If you play perfectly thane will do more aoe and slayer will do more st
Assuming the key is high enough that the pack lives the entire duration of your CDs
coarse nest
AM thane sounds sweet ngl
silk wharf
I'm convinced I was playing Slayer incorrectly. I'm seeing a fairly large dps bump overall in m+ with Thane.
signal dew
Assuming the key is high enough that the pack lives the entire duration of your ...
I want to try it out because I hear with incoming nerfs, thane build is actually pretty strong.
swift smelt
I'm convinced I was playing Slayer incorrectly. I'm seeing a fairly large dps bu...
are you playing with pug tanks/groups? not being able to line up cooldowns well with slayer makes it seem worse in comparison to thane
quiet geyser
I'm convinced I was playing Slayer incorrectly. I'm seeing a fairly large dps bu...
Theres a billion variables that can be causing this besides just your gameplay. But overall thane is much harder to fuck up
feral ivy
if we are in slayer can relentless pursuit remove the affix?
modern moon
How do you use the Treacherous Transmitter - do you macro it with CDs like Mark of Khadros for example or do you do the instructions part before pull and then blast?
tidal kindle
do you have ansurek ring?
No im loot oppressed
molten spire
Is thane potentially better in silken court?
coarse nest
You can’t macro an on use to another on use
tidal kindle
Not loot fed like you
coarse nest
And yes you would use it pre pull and finish the assignment on like 1 or 2 seconds
modern moon
You can’t macro an on use to another on use
Sorry. I meant that if you use Mark, then you can macro it befre Avatar and if I should do the same with Transmitter now.
molten spire
Not used to not having actual casts
eternal sundial
Castbar
coarse nest
Castbar
warm crag
you mean for like mandate or
molten spire
coarse nest
Sorry. I meant that if you use Mark, then you can macro it befre Avatar and if I...
I wouldn’t macro transmitter to avatar no
granite fable
yeah, do it prepull
modern moon
Cheers, thanks. Will take some time to get the hang of it, but will learn!
buoyant salmon
im not 631
blow up
golden hare
who's up
coarse nest
Blow who!?
buoyant salmon
who’s on first
molten spire
Does anyone know what WA/addon adds this one?
golden hare
details
coarse nest
Is that the window that pops up for target dummy’s?
Idr what the keybind is for that
winter shoal
It's a details setting called like streamer action tracker or something
I think it's a checkbox you toggle to enable it
molten spire
Ok Thanks!
warm crag
how many crests u got left
buoyant salmon
no transmitter LMFAOOOO
tidal kindle
0
buoyant salmon
mb toxic
warm crag
L
buoyant salmon
dude our rare item luck has been BEANSSS
warm crag
idk ur 1 assigned mythic piece away from having better gear than me
modest condor
lmao get fucked
buoyant salmon
idk why we even clear heroic
buoyant salmon
ive received 7 myth items
winter shoal
Spooned
tidal kindle
Actual L vaulting
buoyant salmon
thats w vaulting wdym
nocturne dragon
don't worry choco my vault this week also trash
buoyant salmon
i had to take a neck the week before myth sikran neck dfopped
buoyant salmon
just blow me up
warm crag
Actual L vaulting
these are really good vaults get a grip
buoyant salmon
i should’ve padded one more week
tidal kindle
Ring or neck from vault don't exist either
warm crag
the influx of people getting mythic tier in vault and calling it shit in this tier is insane t ome