fury

[pale lava]

MM is giga slept on in M+

[steel shard]

hunter?

[pale lava]

ye

[steel shard]

they just

die

thats the issue

not the deeps

[iron portal]

Then dont take it as insult but I would stick with current fury. What you described is bascially same button mashing but you have no agency over rage generation , nothing gives me high octane feeling from it

[brittle crow]

should i go to wawa at 5am?

[iron portal]

what even is wawa

[brittle crow]

gas station/fine dining establishment

[pearl sequoia]

wawa

[iron portal]

If you need to, why not

[steel shard]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-wawa-fast-discord-oh-the-misery-cat-gif-25805989

[brittle crow]

need is a strong word

but im abt to have to bunker down for MILTON and i dont want to be stuck with wawa cravings

when it is closed

[iron portal]

wawa cravings sounds so innocent

[teal pine]

Blood DK always seems so cool in my head and then i play it and its just pretty meh

[flat river]

Hello

[dire raptor]

Guys, is there any TLDR about changing coming tomorrow? How good/bad is it?

[iron portal]

did you mean TL DR?

[dire raptor]

Yep

[iron portal]

#updates-midnight message

[next ruin]

It's in update, mountain thane becomes better, arrogant reddit edge lords from this discord will say it's bad

[iron portal]

arrogant reddit edge lords from this discord will say it's bad

wthat do you even mean by that

[fossil cloak]

Was hoping for a real single target buff

[next ruin]

Just read this channel, msot people anwer mt will be trash

It's not even out yet

[steel shard]

huh

[pearl sequoia]

It says 12% ahead in multi-target, why would it be bad

[steel shard]

MT will be good after the BT and RB buffs

[next ruin]

Read the conversations idk

[dire raptor]

So basically it’s fine for fury overall

[steel shard]

still not a unholy or frost dk

[pearl sequoia]

uh weird k

[steel shard]

man grip is so good

but atleast we have rally

tbf thats the main reason to ever bring more than 1 warrior for the raid

but for m+ is abit of a meme

[lofty edge]

Dangerous-top6922, are you here to tiny tool?

[steel shard]

Always fun to do keys on the DK and the tank saying "i love grip"

and now with 2 charges

setting up pulls has never been easier

[tidal kindle]

I work on my dk next week...

[steel shard]

legit not having one makes pulls so more annoying

needing to LoS some mobs

with a dk?

just grip it in

[tidal kindle]

[steel shard]

But we have bshout

[tidal kindle]

2nd worst raid buff

After monk

[steel shard]

bshout is gooood

[tidal kindle]

But it's not even the tuning for me - tuning (for raid) is still fine, just design/decisions
Maybe I just need smth diff for a lil bit - idk

🤷

[eternal sundial]

Try enha too, fun shit

[steel shard]

its weird yea

Fury is fucked design wise

to much burst aoe oriented

[nocturne dragon]

O no Garm also jump ship

[steel shard]

so they need to nerf it for raid so warrior does not just delete the adds instantly, but in doing so it makes it very weak for when the mobs dont die in 10 seconds

it´s over

[tidal kindle]

I still want to play warrior, but my brain looks at what Frel wrote above and makes me realize it's fucked in anything not mythic raid prog till smth changes

At least in regards to the guild I'm playing in and what I want out of the game

[steel shard]

yea like its good for the raid

but outside of that

oof

you would need to flex to arms tho

i think after a certain point you wont play fury on any boss

and just play arms on all of em

[tidal kindle]

Arms 2.5% ahead of fury after slayer nerfs crossfiring arms

[tidal kindle]

Yeah exactly

[steel shard]

yea that is so fucking weird

[nocturne dragon]

I mean if they intend to lower the burst power... should they buff something related to our sustained AoE dps? If just lowering burst without buffing sustain then it's despair

[unreal pewter]

Just cut CD based AoE by 50%, improve ST damage (which improves cleave too) and we gucci

[tidal kindle]

DK/Mage passive cleave will eke out fury's 3gcd aoe burst niche since you'll also be tankier as a raid with more ilvl => adds don't need to be blown up as fast

So it's just more efficient to go arms and ST boss

Honestly letting unhinged hits cleave again would do so much

[steel shard]

Bro the dk defensivly is so stupid

[fiery thorn]

the devs are braindead

just keep nerfing arms

[steel shard]

like you live stuff natty

[tidal kindle]

DK eats 3-4 spider hits no death strike

I die to 1

[steel shard]

and if they deathstrike

its a blood dk

[tidal kindle]

IBF + DS

[steel shard]

i had the tank die in m+

[tidal kindle]

📈

[steel shard]

and i can tank if i just DS

every other gcd

[steel shard]

5m heal as a dps

[chrome plover]

frost dk tanked a spider for way too long and i got tapped

[steel shard]

my dk is now 624

[chrome plover]

[steel shard]

altho i might think unholy

is better than frost atm in m+

imagine that

unholy and frost

[steel shard]

is insane

[tidal kindle]

Our tanks were dead for

40s

[steel shard]

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/55kF.gif

[steel shard]

But yea if you just wanna do some weekly 10s and raid

warrior is fine

wanna do high keys

reroll dk

but like even in the raid dk would be better

did you see the frost dk boss dam on queen?

like the same as the mages

[tidal kindle]

Fury is still insane for progging I wanna say

Like 2dk 2fury

📈

[steel shard]

I heard fury sucks ass

for the big adds

[tidal kindle]

Queen p3?

[steel shard]

yea

and they are quite

importanto

[tidal kindle]

I can see that

But fdk also sucks for the spider spawn

Relatively speaking

[steel shard]

they dont

[tidal kindle]

🤝

[steel shard]

if you do ring strat

or what u mean

[tidal kindle]

Like fury will 3 global the spiders, big value

FDK will prob 5global

[steel shard]

yea but again that just pad reallly

and with higher ilvl and the raid buff eventualy

no way you would ever need the fury to blast those

[tidal kindle]

Yah hence fury still good for progging (rn)

4-5 weeks

Not so much (compared to other options)

It's funny how the enh in my raid

Can compete in aoe with dk/warrior sometimes

[steel shard]

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bUqfe.gif

Procs go hard

Like spiders/worms on brood

Not para level aoe

[steel shard]

warrior down bad

man brood is just

a big xd

warrior lowest boss dam

meanwhile frost dk

top

while pumping adds

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2919&metric=bossdps

[tidal kindle]

Tbf brood kinda

Just made for FDK

[steel shard]

just fucking look at this

[tidal kindle]

Designwise

[forest owl]

critcake fully succumbs to frost dk look its even in his eyes now

[steel shard]

how is fury

below aug

what is going on in blizzard HQ

[tidal kindle]

Guy whose turn it was to tune warrior this expac ended up being mage main I guess

Needs his auggies strong and his snap-aoe furies weak

Unlucky, go next

[unreal pewter]

Fury support spec confirmed

[steel shard]

i mean sure fine

but nerfing arms aswell?

like what

thats what gets me

[tidal kindle]

Bro they slated a WARBRINGER (not even breaker) TARGET CAP DAMAGE NERF

It's OVER

For this class

[fossil oasis]

IT'S NOT EVEN FULLYH NERFED :DDDDDD NEW ONES COMING WITH NEXT PATCH :DDDDDDD

[unreal pewter]

tell me you don't play the game without telling me you don't play the game

[fossil oasis]

the most eloquent tell that the guy balancing is idiotic was the 3% aura debuff

it just tells he doesn't know what the class does

[tidal kindle]

Tbf if they stopped right there

The original bs/of/roar nerf

Then the 3% aura nerf

Would've been completely fine

[fossil oasis]

aura was too far

[tidal kindle]

But then another 3 nerfs on top

Kinda

[fossil oasis]

they did double nerf without first one even hitting

[simple fern]

will mountain thane become the new hero talent to go for , or still slayer for both AoE/ST in Raid and also slayer for M+?

[tidal kindle]

Slayer raid/thane M+

[fossil oasis]

nerf week1 is just

[tidal kindle]

Is what it looks like

[fossil oasis]

so stupid on so many levels

it's insane

[simple fern]

and where do you guys get these numbers or information from ?

[fossil oasis]

you dont even give time for classes to gear to see endgame

[tidal kindle]

Sims

[steel shard]

my mom

[fossil oasis]

i have a well in my garden i throw a coin inside

[unreal pewter]

meanwhile prot players praying blizzard don't notice them so they can't get some stray fury nerf

[simple fern]

is there an overview somwhere ? or just something you did on your own?

[covert void]

Not even the warrior stuff that bothers me anymore, it's that they don't nerf other op specs.

[tidal kindle]

Archi/Silm/Krisp/Other brains ran them

[covert void]

every season there's always 2/3 specs they just let cook

[tidal kindle]

I'm just a parrot for their work

[covert void]

we cook for 3 days and nerf central

[rocky salmon]

hello i am main prot but want to try dps from time to time

do you guys combine BS always with avatar and rec?

cause BS has a bit faster cd do i hold back avatar then ?

[tidal kindle]

But yeah no point stressing and getting upset over what appears (to me) to be the disenfranchising of a class' dps playerbase when things like voker/dk/mage (every tier) get to run rampant
Gets too negative in my headspace and makes me a miserable influence to be around

So I may as well play smth else and have fun till they figure their warrior shit out

[brittle crow]

press BS on cd unless something is a few seconds away from lining up

either avatar or odyns

[tidal kindle]

[brittle crow]

or if theres a bunch of adds coming up relatively soon

u hold for that too

[next ruin]

You can odyns fury to get avatar for bs duration

[rocky salmon]

okay cheers

[covert void]

This was my issue when we saw the nerfs coming and people were saying we're fine. We are. But why can't we have been one of those op specs for once

anyways

same shit diff season it wont change lol

just got to try enjoy tha gameeee

[next ruin]

Mountain thane will cook dw

[forest owl]

cause blue and red and pink class had to be top so brown got guttered

[covert void]

im excited for thane! :D

and I've been enjoying slayer even if it's not as strong as some.

[tidal kindle]

Slayer is pretty fun ngl

Thane is too

In a diff way

[covert void]

Blizzards balancing policy is trash as always though.

[tidal kindle]

Thane is big whackamole energy

[next ruin]

Just wait for the expansion to be fully out, 11.0.5 or 11.1 and warriors will feel good 😁

[tidal kindle]

[brittle crow]

u just press blast when proc yea?

[covert void]

Can't wait to try it tomorrow. Haven't touched thane at all. Most of you say its satisfying.

[tidal kindle]

You brought it up ...

[next ruin]

Doing damage will be the best feeling I guess

[covert void]

lul

[steel shard]

Fury is strong
Fury gets outscaled and or nerfed
Arms is now the best for the rest of the tier

[static rock]

here's the thing, we didn't even really cook. we "cooked" by having nearly an entire raid tailored to us. we "cooked" because we had insane amount of upfront damage to mobs with no health. They gave us all the tools to do good mythic+, then nerfed before we even had a chance to see what we would do in mythic+

[tidal kindle]

They got around that this time by also nerfing arms

[mossy fox]

insane 30 second photoshop job

[tidal kindle]

Cripcake when....

https://tenor.com/vWN1BggfvRe.gif

[steel shard]

[brittle crow]

isnt his details tag gripcake

[tidal kindle]

His DK is gripcake, yeah

[brittle crow]

yea id grip cake too

........

[tidal kindle]

[fleet sorrel]

Suffer

[covert void]

are you all in on dk now? or the thane changes going to tempt you back

[brittle crow]

w<

[steel shard]

xddxdxdxdxdxdxd

im sure thane will save warrior

[tidal kindle]

For the level of keys he wants to push, he's prob playing dk till major changes to either dk/warr happen

[mossy fox]

cripcake as in disabled huh

not sure what class that would work on

[covert void]

isn't thane going to be really good for m+?

[tidal kindle]

Wait I forget you're not US

Hang on...

[static rock]

I've been doing fury in high end raid and mythic+ since SL, the whole way through. I will drown on this ship, and live when we resurface

[steel shard]

you know dk is not the meta for its stupid dam right

well only

[static rock]

sure fucking helps though

[covert void]

I mean, stupid dam and other things.

must be nice

[mossy fox]

dk is immortal and does stupid damooge

[steel shard]

and CR

[pearl sequoia]

you should spam dk videos so you get the class nerfed

[steel shard]

and grips

[brittle crow]

also unlike warrior one of their 2 dps specs is usually in the top half

warrior usually has 1 mid 1 bad

..

[winter fossil]

@mossy fox

Is it always Odyn's fury after BS? I tried to cast Odyn's before and I bursted more.

[steel shard]

im sorry to tell you but currently

both are in the top 4

[lapis marsh]

idk if this is the place to ask but I'm 605 and just doing mid dps, like between 400k-500k per second (I'm also pretty new to retail tho) Spend some time looking for better rotation

[brittle crow]

i meant as a minimum!

theyre allowed to both be top tier too

xd

[mossy fox]

if i dont have avatar them yes it's OF first then BS

[next ruin]

Target cap unholy + ams nerf would be justice

[static rock]

meanwhile if we have one at the top the other is the dumpsterfire

[tidal kindle]

You like how AMS is partywide magic-rally now

[pearl sequoia]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[tidal kindle]

[steel shard]

and yea AMZ is giga buffed in 5mans

[pearl sequoia]

[steel shard]

but we have bshout and rally

[brittle crow]

wait wym ams is partywide..

[forest owl]

so how many of us are sitting playing dk as we chat in the warrior discord?

[steel shard]

[steel shard]

im at work but yea

im playing dk

[tidal kindle]

Dk has 30% bonus armor, is plate
Tank has high armor
Ret has high armor
Aug has insane armor capabilities
Mage is mage

Whoa shocker, partywide ams is insane value

[static rock]

never, disgusting class

[tidal kindle]

😱

[brittle crow]

been waiting for today for timewalking

to level it

i WILL NOT do dragonflight dungeons

[static rock]

Too much fresh trauma

[unreal pewter]

Every time I see "OF" I just see in my mind Fury warriors making OnlyFans to make a living

[brittle crow]

fury warrior footmog pics

[static rock]

probably only way we can survive, since we don't get invited to keys, have to use our own all the time

[unreal pewter]

Create OnlyFans to make money > buy boosts with that money

#furylife

[brittle crow]

also wym dk has 30% bonus armor

[eternal sundial]

20% stam

[brittle crow]

dk tankier than furry ?

[steel shard]

yes

[static rock]

and yet they don't even use it for dps, waste of extra armor without armor to the teeth

[steel shard]

by alot

[eternal sundial]

Not against rot

But very much so against big hits

[brittle crow]

damn i like being immune to rot dmg

[lapis marsh]

do you guys use champions spear?

[brittle crow]

no

🙏

[static rock]

only in pure ST

[brittle crow]

in st yes

[warm crag]

i might for rashanan

[eternal sundial]

On the 2 fights id play arms for

[steel shard]

wclogs made Rashan a ST fight now so

[lapis marsh]

hm okay thanks

[steel shard]

[unreal pewter]

Pure ST Fury

[steel shard]

just play full ST on it

[static rock]

you never touch Champion's spear in MT or AOE, the days of SL and DF are over for it

[brittle crow]

is fdk good for st or do u play uhdk for st

[tidal kindle]

Okay not partywide

[brittle crow]

lmao...

[tidal kindle]

+2 allies, still strong

[warm crag]

500k absorb is nice

[tidal kindle]

and reduces the duration of harmful Magic effects against them by 50%

Like why lmfao

[brittle crow]

ive been talking abt pally privilege

[steel shard]

spell reflect party wide when

[brittle crow]

maybe dk is the real privilege

[steel shard]

oh it is

[tidal kindle]

Nope had to nerf it

SL btw

[steel shard]

[brittle crow]

wasnt that a whole ass lego slot

[eternal sundial]

Arcane barrier does it on 5 man

[brittle crow]

wasted

[eternal sundial]

But not 50%

[warm crag]

ok fuck party wide spellreflect though

[steel shard]

thats a 2min cd tho no?

or was it 3

[tidal kindle]

Partywide on SR in mists last boss?

[eternal sundial]

Ye 2

[steel shard]

AMS is 40

[tidal kindle]

Kyveza

Etc

Insane value

[warm crag]

sure

[brittle crow]

wtf do u reflect in mists last boss

?

[warm crag]

they will never make a dungeon reflectable again

that is the price of partywide spellreflect

[tidal kindle]

Yeah that's the double standard though

[steel shard]

man

neltharions lair...

spell reflect 15% of my damage

[eternal sundial]

Nelth lair worm boss..

[steel shard]

dude the last boss

[static rock]

that and 200% longer, but yeah

[eternal sundial]

Holy 5 man gaming

[steel shard]

you taunt and reflect the tank buster

and it does

GIGA DAM

[tidal kindle]

All these classes get insane tools for 5man/partywide effects

[warm crag]

idk beg for rally buffs in parties before you ask for party spellreflect or you take the one unique util warr brings and just give it to everyone

[steel shard]

but we have bshout

[tidal kindle]

If warrior's get something it either gets nerfed or has the threat to kill design

Remember when reflect damage scaled with key level....

SoA 3rd boss

[warm crag]

wait it doesnt anymore?

[tidal kindle]

It got nerfed by a good bit

Like a really good bit

Worry was you'd have like 2 warriors just chain reflect and 1shot boss

[tidal kindle]

.

[warm crag]

oh how truely awful that this isnt in the game anymore

[teal pine]

Hey man hate to tell you…. That talent is awful. The shield is almost nonexistent and the 50% less duration would be broken if it worked on anything. It’s the same wording as your ams but doesn’t actually working on anything ams works on

[warm crag]

the duration decrease needs to go

[tidal kindle]

Does it not actually work on everything

[warm crag]

although i dont se that working ever

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

what kind of magic effect does <300k damage but leaves a debilitating dot

[tidal kindle]

Wording implied like

Kyveza dot

[warm crag]

kyveza fucking obliterates your health when she applies dots

[tidal kindle]

Would be reduced

yeah

[warm crag]

i assume it snapshots?

[teal pine]

Like city of threads. If it worked on the nerubian lords dot or like splice

[warm crag]

it doesnt snapshot*

[teal pine]

It would be insane

AMS immune the application of both

But that talent doesn’t do anything to them for your party members

[tidal kindle]

500k single instance shield

Kinda big....

[warm crag]

i agree the shield part is neat but i dont see the issue

[tidal kindle]

But yeah if the -duration isn't basically cloak

Less problematic

Cuz I saw they have this too

[warm crag]

how did you assume it worked

[tidal kindle]

Was like

[warm crag]

like if the debuff is applied while ams is up its duration just gets halved?

[tidal kindle]

Yah, till shield gets blown

Like the affix we have rn giving CDR

[warm crag]

but this is my understanding of how it works

[brittle crow]

remember obliterating king in chess in kara

that was fun

[warm crag]

except a 500k shield pops instantly

[brittle crow]

...

[warm crag]

so it doesnt matter

[tidal kindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brittle crow]

i need a ui for my dk should i use quazii's or luxthos'

[warm crag]

if it doesnt pop instantly then you didnt have something worth shielding lol

[brittle crow]

i kinda trust quazii with my life

[tidal kindle]

Moot point since it doesn't work the way I thought it would

You can have magic effects

That aren't damage

[teal pine]

That one’s even worse than the other one though tbh. Mass AMS is situationally useful but increasing its cd is pretty bad when it already immunes debuffs if you pre pop it

[tidal kindle]

Where it has value

[warm crag]

which ones tho

none that we care about or

[eternal sundial]

Slows/damage taken increases

[tidal kindle]

Yah agree, was just highlighting wording

^

[eternal sundial]

Healing absorbs

Idk

[warm crag]

healing absorbs tend to not expire

[eternal sundial]

Yea idk i am not vouching that being a good use

I am brainstorming

[warm crag]

maybe you should get back to bladestorming

[unreal onyx]

Let him cook

[eternal sundial]

I am colossus for ovinax let me cook

(id rather be thane)

[warm crag]

what the fuck are you doing

[brittle crow]

mental breakdown?

[eternal sundial]

Working

Brain is empty

[warm crag]

can you please play slayer fury for ovinax

[eternal sundial]

I am contemplating slayer arms as we might have enough aoe but idk yet

I dont have a transmitter cuz my guild hates me...

[tidal kindle]

CoT has a heal reduct, icicles debuff for slow (with some light dam)
Wake 2nd boss bolt if kick goes through, any mass frostbolts from mages
There's prob more but these are from the top of my head

But yeah you're right most of the debuffs in this season are just dots

[warm crag]

idk i do think that "magic effects that arent dots" can just be approximated away

[tidal kindle]

Is the acid nova from mists trash

Cloakable

[warm crag]

at least they havent printed any debilitating ones recently

[tidal kindle]

The staghorn 20% inc magic dam debuff

[warm crag]

instantly breaks the shield on application or

or taken off by the next autoattack

theres probably a 90% ms decrease somewhere where the shield would go crazy

[tidal kindle]

Or if it worked like SR x Mists last boss

Just lightAMS and run around taking Z

[warm crag]

what does sr do on mists

[tidal kindle]

This would never make it to live though

Yknow the poison puddles on last boss

[warm crag]

ya

[tidal kindle]

From ddr tracking and larva

[warm crag]

ya

[tidal kindle]

You can press SR

For 5 seconds you take 0 damage from the ground puddles

Free movement

[warm crag]

how is this coded for this to work like that

[tidal kindle]

.

if

[warm crag]

has to work the same for the final grim batol boss ground shit

[tidal kindle]

I've been told you can run through tentacles with SR

[warm crag]

you can

[tidal kindle]

1 tent or 5s immunity

[warm crag]

5s immunity

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

like im all for spellreflect doing this butwhy is it so inconsistent at it

[tidal kindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Can also deflect bleed from mists maze dogs / reflect anima slash

More reasons mass SR has to stay weak

[warm crag]

i want warrior to do niche shit

with SR

very unique skill expression

[tidal kindle]

Safeguard/overwatch

Choice node

[vague copper]

Can we please stop speak about what we can do, Bliz will find out and remove

[tidal kindle]

I beg

For pve

[warm crag]

we're kinda getting it

intervene magic shield on thane

[warm crag]

well we already have it no one plays thane tho

[golden hare]

thane storm shield lowkey same

[tidal kindle]

Naaah

150k magic shield

[warm crag]

do we only have 50k armour

lol

im not intervening fuckers

[tidal kindle]

50-60, yeah

[golden hare]

fury L

prot W

[warm crag]

have we considered earthen which gets more armour?

[golden hare]

idk have we?

[warm crag]

for the dps talent "armoured to the teeth"

[golden hare]

i heard it's more and more = better

surely

[warm crag]

i think i might be the first to think of this

[steel shard]

insane

[tidal kindle]

Went up to 28%

[golden hare]

miss her...

[tidal kindle]

Which was pretty insane

[warm crag]

[tidal kindle]

You can't see armor on wcl....

[golden hare]

kinda winnable

[tidal kindle]

Did I get fake newsd

[warm crag]

ur so behind in ilvl its over erga

[tidal kindle]

[steel shard]

dk?

[steel shard]

bg

[golden hare]

please forgive me

[warm crag]

its ok i forgive you

[golden hare]

thank you

wait

erm

[golden hare]

i had shield equipped :3

[tidal kindle]

Okay I was gonna say

[golden hare]

whoopsie

[tidal kindle]

Big 180k shield!

[warm crag]

garms super low ilvl

wearing khardos

L

[tidal kindle]

I don't get gear cuz I perform w/o it

[warm crag]

it just cant get worse for him

[tidal kindle]

What can I say

[inner shadow]

hows the fury build?

hows your vault

[warm crag]

i think you scream at your RL because you are in every boss

[tidal kindle]

cuz I perform

[steel shard]

"can i come dk for this one?"

"can i reroll dk for the rest of the tier?"

[warm crag]

whats your character name

[tidal kindle]

Garms....

Bro?

Bro.....

[warm crag]

yeah which one

[humble plover]

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

i dont know american realms

[tidal kindle]

HUH

[golden hare]

what the hell

[tidal kindle]

A52

[warm crag]

ok ur the european garms

[tidal kindle]

Illidan is my rata

EU prob has better healthcare

[warm crag]

L tmog

[tidal kindle]

LMFAO

My mog hasn't changed in 5 years running on 6

[warm crag]

u played AM and parsed the same as me ...

[tidal kindle]

I did my job....

....playing for parse before last boss is dead

[golden hare]

the g in garms stands for goat

[tidal kindle]

[steel shard]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dwRQahb6ng2XtFf4#fight=19&type=damage-done&target=23

[warm crag]

idk parsing on that boss is playing it correctly on prog

[steel shard]

[warm crag]

i just dq'd myself from parsing since i swapped to RA cause we had 2 fury 3 fdks

[steel shard]

just play arms at that point

innit

[warm crag]

no?

[fallen sedge]

what overall dps should I aim for in high keys as fury? I struggle to hit 1m nowadays, when at the start of the season I could easily hit even more with less gear, did we just get nerfed that much or is it a skill issue on me/on tank?

[warm crag]

im still ontop of parasite damage

which is kind of the point of warrior on that boss

[inner shadow]

did u guys get sparks or harmonized silk

this week?

[warm crag]

i dont think NA reset is live yet

[tidal kindle]

Yessir lemme stay right in

[unreal onyx]

Fury slayer fuck good on adds, how many dks are in your raid

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943906056483004547/943917451727474739/caption.gif

[warm crag]

just leap charge or

[golden hare]

you should be way above 1mill assuming you do human pulls

[eternal sundial]

2

X2 blood

So i think i slayer

[tidal kindle]

I got that either 2 or 3x, just remember it was before my avatar CD set every time

Is what it is

[unreal onyx]

Im 4th on add dmg, Frost, uhdk and lock are doing more

[warm crag]

i dont think that hits your parse at all tho

[fallen sedge]

human pulls?

[warm crag]

which adds

[unreal onyx]

Parasites

[warm crag]

you are hard trolling

[tidal kindle]

It does when the paras die before I get reck

[fallen sedge]

I am 615 atm with semi-crappy stats, most tanks usually pull 1 pack, maybe 2 at most in my experience

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

tru

play RA

[unreal onyx]

?

[tidal kindle]

Prob will this reclear

[unreal onyx]

We need aoe in our raid

[warm crag]

if you are beaten in parasite damage on ovinax you are trolling to such a significant degree that you should not be playing fury that fight

[tidal kindle]

I did most of prog as RA, swapped AM for kill when HP got nerfed by 15%

Cuz I also looted skard

[warm crag]

u can play treach skarm on RA..

[tidal kindle]

2x on use AM = secure kill > go kyveza

[warm crag]

im gonna play AM on reclear tho

[tidal kindle]

I also don't have transmitter

So yknow

[warm crag]

cause it wasnt given to you or it didnt drop

[tidal kindle]

1 dropped

Went to rogue

[unreal onyx]

Should I hold all my CDs until adds spawn? I pop all except bs on pull and have of back up on 1st

[warm crag]

i think you kill the gm

[warm crag]

idk go research cds on the fight i dont have them all on hand

[golden hare]

got logs maybe?

[fallen sedge]

I think I only have a few crappy ones, let me check, I usually forget to log dungeons

[tidal kindle]

I mean he made a good case for it

[warm crag]

i played RA so i do even less add damage than you

[steel shard]

im praying i get the rare neck from 3rd boss in vault this week

[steel shard]

and ill just go full time arms

[unreal onyx]

But a problem we have so far is that adds are too spread and we get too many

[tidal kindle]

We are trolling if we don't give rogue the transmitter

[humble plover]

im losing parasite to a lizard

[warm crag]

you are trolling if you dont give fury transmitter

[humble plover]

i guess it time to die

[chrome plover]

I would play AM and hold avatar on pull if I were you

[warm crag]

raid is 90s interval add spawns fury blows those up with their cds

[chrome plover]

unless you have giga parasite damage

in your raid

[unreal onyx]

We also only progged ovinax for like 2h overall

[fallen sedge]

I have this +7 NW from a while ago but if I remember correctly this key went horribly in general and I performed much worse than normal https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zJnAZbGpHXw6cKar#fight=last&type=damage-done

[civic falcon]

If u play AM u send Roar->OF->BS in that order on opener

[tidal kindle]

That is an 8/8 champions skardyns

Idk bro

[vague copper]

Rest in US in how many hours?

[tidal kindle]

Rogue was down bad

[warm crag]

okay?

[chrome plover]

like 4-5 i think

(im eu)

[warm crag]

why are you distributing gear based on what they have rn instead of what they have access to and what is bis

[tidal kindle]

It's both long term best for rogue (relative to other rogue trinkets) and best immediate upgrade

[warm crag]

giving treach to anyone other than fury or dks is trolling to such a high degree its unbelievable

[chrome plover]

transmitter seems good for the subtletly rogue specialisation

[tidal kindle]

Esp when dks/warriors have 626+ trinkets equipped

[steel shard]

lmao what

fury should be last imo

all we do is pad

[warm crag]

are you stupid

[steel shard]

are you

[warm crag]

no

[unreal onyx]

[warm crag]

free upgrades

all that matters is the trinket

tbf depends on whether you play treach on ansurek

[tidal kindle]

Smaller net-raid dps gain
Worse odds for killing brood + kyveza since the adds are a joke on the former and fury/dk don't fit well on kyveza

By the time we get to queen we'll have way more opportunities to get transmitters

One of our dks has a 639 skard too

Which he's not replacing

[warm crag]

so then its especially good to give it to fury to guarantee good reclears on first 4 (- sikran) and make ovinax prog fast

[steel shard]

like fury is just a pad spec like how do you not know that

its useless damage

[chrome plover]

[warm crag]

i dont think you understand what is important in this current raid design if you think fury is pad

[tidal kindle]

Adds in our first 4 reclear aren't the issue

The % of raid strength gain is insigificant

[steel shard]

you clearly dont

[warm crag]

unless you think rashanan adds meleeing people is fine

[tidal kindle]

Compared to upgrading our rogues trinket from 606 to 626 bis

[warm crag]

or broodtwister parasites infesting

[tidal kindle]

Yo hear me out

What if you just

CC

😱

[steel shard]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521

[warm crag]

mm yes lets plan out cc rotations instead of just having fury press their ST cds onto the boss anyways

[forest owl]

i had a BM call my dmg nothing but pad...but i think he was just mad bm aoe was in the gutter xD

[steel shard]

are you trying to make the case for your GM to use 2 warrior for prog or what @warm crag

he should not

only 1

[tidal kindle]

Leg sweep / rop / cap totem

All free

Np

[warm crag]

i dont need to make that case it is obvious to bring 2 warriors to most bosses

[steel shard]

its not

[civic falcon]

I got the title ''Padking'' in my guild

[steel shard]

xd

[eternal sundial]

Please top all adds

That's fun

[tidal kindle]

Sure but it's not what will most help us prog

[warm crag]

sure kyveza and court are ?s but you can still bring 2

[steel shard]

but like why

[tidal kindle]

Cool we overkill rashanan and brood adds by 150% of their hp instead of 110%

SICK!

[steel shard]

the second 1 does not serve a purpose

[tidal kindle]

Vs rogue doing 50k more dps to boss

[warm crag]

rwf did it it cant be that bad of a choice

[steel shard]

do i have to link the DM again

[civic falcon]

[eternal sundial]

They had less dam on everything right

[steel shard]

why they got a second warrior on queen

echo that is

[eternal sundial]

So war doing more on add is good

[tidal kindle]

RWF also doesn't fight the same version of queen compared to most of us

[river reef]

lots of in here today

[tidal kindle]

Or court/kyveza/brood

[eternal sundial]

Please do

[warm crag]

rwf didnt know what queen was like before they pulled no

[eternal sundial]

Im not in echo i do not know

[tidal kindle]

Which makes frels dm more relevant, no?

[eternal sundial]

Didnt they change comp during boss multiple times

[inner harbor]

ayo chat

[eternal sundial]

For druid tank / brew / feral boom etc

[river reef]

clickz 2.0 on the shaman almost one vault away

[inner harbor]

is race worth ?

[warm crag]

ye and every kill was done with 2 warriors afaik

id have to check the new ones

[eternal sundial]

Clarify

[vapid mulch]

Most good warrs can play arms anyway

[warm crag]

im talking about warriors not fury

[inner harbor]

xDDD

is changing race worth for dps in the game world of warcraft

[warm crag]

literally every queen kill done yet was with 2x fury

[steel shard]

here you go

mr 2 warriors is good

[warm crag]

ok so you just bring 2 warriors with this logic or

[steel shard]

fury

is pad

with their gear sure

with yours?

no

like are you on queen

right now

[river reef]

[warm crag]

will be soon

[tidal kindle]

Data is skewed due to everyone having prepped 2 fury from week 1 and not more dks > reinforced w/ RWF 1 and 2 clearing w/ 2 fury

Fury seemed better out the gate, won't disagree on that

[eternal sundial]

If you are some shitty race and feel like the damage matters more than the drip

Then yes

[river reef]

@chrome plover

[tidal kindle]

Nah not really, unless you care that much for it

[river reef]

obligatory ping

[tidal kindle]

Fury is still very good on queen and running 2 is prob gonna make your life easy vs most alternatives

[eternal sundial]

G 🤮 B L I N

[warm crag]

did rwf full immune r1 roots?

[inner harbor]

im gnome that's hella drip

[steel shard]

i dont see why you dont just

bring another dk

[warm crag]

doubt we will have this in most guilds

[eternal sundial]

Also decent sim innit

[dull vault]

where do i get slayer and angermanagement guild ?

[eternal sundial]

Unless u turbo care i wouldnt swap

[river reef]

Body Type 2 Blood Elf meta

[tidal kindle]

If you could manifest a fully prepped and caught up dk (player) with the same reps on boss and skill, I'm sure most guilds would

[warm crag]

velf supremacy (i take 1% less damage from kyveza)

[chrome plover]

the drip matters more than the damage

i am a goblin

[river reef]

irl?

[tidal kindle]

RWF also ran 2 fury before the bulk of fury nerfs

[steel shard]

yea

[tidal kindle]

[steel shard]

like in idk 5 weeks

[eager thorn]

Didnt max say they wouldnt have ran 2 furies too

[steel shard]

i dont even see ppl playing fury on queen

just arms

[chrome plover]

I WISH DUDE irl im like 187cm and weigh like 110kgs :/

[eager thorn]

But had geared em already

[teal pine]

V/Belf or red Draenei. Can’t catch me on anything else

[tidal kindle]

Fury still good for raid for most people, don't get me wrong

[chrome plover]

if only i could be a 3 foot green chad

[steel shard]

like legit if you dont think furys dps is just useless damage

[tidal kindle]

It's just not dk

[steel shard]

you dont know the game

[eager thorn]

Me orc me slap mud

[eager thorn]

Cope

[tidal kindle]

Same

[teal pine]

Love arms

[tidal kindle]

Or prot...

[warm crag]

i will be playing Waffen

[tidal kindle]

Nerf asked if I want to tank farm

[steel shard]

[tidal kindle]

And he go dps

[river reef]

should have stopped growing bro... next playthrough maybe

[steel shard]

Stop trying to bait your GMs into that 2 fury is a good thing

realisticly this is a 1 warrior tier

[teal pine]

Tanking is kinda fun secretly

[unreal onyx]

Every damage is useful in one way or another

[tidal kindle]

If you could comp from now I'd be inclined to agree - assuming you're in a competitive guild that cares about ranking
Just most guilds have already invested in 2x fury so it's a hard swap

[steel shard]

thats just

wrong

[unreal pewter]

why fury warrior when you can have FDK and have nice ST dps too?

[tidal kindle]

W/o massive splits / funneling

[warm crag]

idk this is a wclogs tier point

[steel shard]

yea legit

wclogs got warrior nerfed

[tidal kindle]

Nah I don't buy that

Cuz the nerfs don't make sense

[steel shard]

hahahaha

[eternal sundial]

I mean you could x2 arms and pretend u dont need more bossdam clueless

[tidal kindle]

WCL didn't get warbreaker target cap into focus

[steel shard]

yea that is a

weird one

[river reef]

burger angle?

[eternal sundial]

Döner

[warm crag]

i am still waiting to see the slayer nerf reverted! they just forgot to put it in the patch notes yesterday

[river reef]

🤝

[tidal kindle]

WCL didn't hit fury ST

[warm crag]

its Warbringer

[steel shard]

the 3% aura nerf

[tidal kindle]

WCL didn't hit OF/Roar target cap (direct damage)

[steel shard]

is a big fucking xD

[tidal kindle]

True mb

[steel shard]

but yea just bring another dk

over warrior

will do ALOT more ST dps

[warm crag]

whoever added the warbringer line needs to actually be questioned

[steel shard]

and the same aoe if you dont need to kille them in 3 seconds

[eager thorn]

Assuming the dk is good enough to beat the warr :)

[tidal kindle]

Ah shit mb nvm you right

[steel shard]

its not hard

[eager thorn]

Also not impossible

[tidal kindle]

LOOK ARMS ON WCL! (adds filtered out btw)
ARMS AOE SO OP

[warm crag]

sweep the adds :)

[eternal sundial]

Heroic week sins

[eternal sundial]

@mystic fox Its reroll time 🐎🐎

[eternal sundial]

(execute fight too)

[warm crag]

its wclogs (tm) efficient cleave!

[eager thorn]

Maybe at top guilds youd reroll a warr but like i don’t think most ppl care

[tidal kindle]

^

[steel shard]

yea dont mind the boss starts at 60% either

if arms was not top ST there

idk

[tidal kindle]

It's just a big loss to scrap a char w/ 3-4 weeks of investment

[warm crag]

do ppl play dreadnaught on it?

[steel shard]

just

full ST

[tidal kindle]

Doubt

[steel shard]

slam it

[eternal sundial]

I just dont have the mental to scrap one either

[warm crag]

idk sweeping adds seems valuable

[tidal kindle]

BS covers most of the aoe relevance

[eternal sundial]

450 crests

[warm crag]

im not talking about aoe

[teal pine]

Don’t think you ever really play dreadnaught now

[warm crag]

im just talking pure ST

[teal pine]

Talent kinda dead

[warm crag]

i think u talent it on court

[tidal kindle]

R1 arms

[warm crag]

with whatever talents i yoinked from revvez

[tidal kindle]

On rash

(Public)

[warm crag]

ya ok its pure st

[eternal sundial]

Id be down horrible

Actually rather unsub

[tidal kindle]

Yeah he sent BS on boss too

No reason not to at that point

[warm crag]

why are you looking at an empty dps graph with everyone doing 0 damage?

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/jwcEKhqH0w7.gif

[teal pine]

Miss raiding man.. I gotta find a guild

[tidal kindle]

Green is BS dam to boss, line graph is arms player's dam to adds

[steel shard]

you can pug the first 4 on mythic btw

[tidal kindle]

First 3 for sure

4th with most decent groups

[steel shard]

i did first 4

next one is prob princess

prob easy when ppl got like 635 or some shit

[warm crag]

theere are no adds

[eternal sundial]

Pug in lfg pug or alt raid andies

[eternal sundial]

Ye eggman pug aint it

[warm crag]

i dont see a pug killing kyveza without significant nerfs

[eternal sundial]

Until he dies 2nd phase lmao

[eager thorn]

Took me like 7h to pug hc princess i would not go anywhere near mythic in a pug

[tidal kindle]

I can see super pugs doing it

[eternal sundial]

Theyll come

[steel shard]

huh

[tidal kindle]

Like alts of guilds who've cleared

[steel shard]

are you NA or something

[warm crag]

pugs with pure mythic players ye sure

[tidal kindle]

• a few friends

Yah

[eager thorn]

Whats that supposed to mean lol

[pale lava]

when is the stacking damage/heal buff coming to the raid?

[steel shard]

answer the question

are you NA

[eager thorn]

I’m not sure why being na/eu affects pug quality

[steel shard]

oh

it does

[warm crag]

no one knows

[eager thorn]

Or whether ppl know how to do portals

[pale lava]

well fk

[warm crag]

could be tmrw

[eager thorn]

But no I’m eu

[tidal kindle]

Affects pug culture which affects pug quality w/ large enough sample size

[steel shard]

Never had any issue in EU pugs

[tidal kindle]

🤓

[steel shard]

mostly is queen

the rest gets 1 banged

[eager thorn]

I mean maybe now

[steel shard]

queen p1 with pugos tho

hehe

[unreal onyx]

Depends on the group innit

[eager thorn]

People legit just couldnt do portals properly

[unreal onyx]

If you only inv 3k io 7/8M raiders I also would expect to not run into problems

[teal pine]

1 shot up to court in my first heroic pug. I hadn’t even looked at any of the bosses

Then group boomed

[dusty rose]

Heroic Court is easy now

[teal pine]

We killed kyveza with like 80% of the raid dead though

[sick kayak]

2 competent people for tethers and can people bring debuff to middle, dont stand in swirlies

[steel shard]

court was alot harder when you needed 4 ppl yea

[teal pine]

We got court to 3% first pull

Then just couldn’t do it again

[unreal onyx]

Why did they remove the need for 2 tether groups?

[steel shard]

to hard

apprently

[unreal onyx]

Sure it’s harder but that’s the point

[teal pine]

Yea that nerf sounded kinda crazy

[sick kayak]

1 tether for normal and heroic now

[unreal onyx]

It definetly was not too hard

[steel shard]

idk their data made them change it

mby did not like the failure rate

[eager thorn]

People wanna pug it and its prob kinda hard to organise in pugs

And it seems blizz are tryna make more things accessible

Which can be w or l depending on how much time you invest to game

[tidal kindle]

Bro I'm reading some of the shit people are doing for hurricane prep

"Fill your tubs and sinks with water so you can flush the toilet later"

....damn

[eager thorn]

I mean its genius ngl

Good to save it for drinking water too

[unreal onyx]

Deleting the only change that differentiated heroic from normal isn’t making anything accessible

[pale lava]

boring mechanic

[eager thorn]

But that hurricane is looking pretty a spooky

[lament lagoon]

im scurrd

[tidal kindle]

https://x.com/NbergWX/status/1843444771135861007

Noah Bergren (@NbergWX) on X

8PM EDT: This is nothing short of astronomical. I am at a loss for words to meteorologically describe you the storms small eye and intensity. 897mb pressure with 180 MPH max sustained winds and gusts 200+ MPH. This is now the 4th strongest hurricane ever recorded by pressure on

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 12:14 AM

The eye is TINY at nearly 3.8 miles wide. This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.

[eager thorn]

How

[tidal kindle]

Mathematical limit

[unreal onyx]

That is a normal thing if you are in iminent danger, no?

[eager thorn]

Making it easier for pugs = more accessible

[eager thorn]

Think it went from cat 1 to cat 5 in 12h too

[tidal kindle]

I've lived in tornado country, never been in a situation this bad

3 to 5, yeah

[eager thorn]

Assuming random reddit commenter isnt lying

[tidal kindle]

Maybe 2 to 5

[unreal onyx]

Making it free ≠ making it acessible

[tidal kindle]

It went tropical > 2/3
Then 2/3 to 5

[steel shard]

luckily American houses are not made from just drywall and wood right?

right?

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bpWqn.gif

[steel shard]

you have sturdy houses right?

[tired brook]

surely

[pale lava]

mythic exists btw

[eager thorn]

Idk if you know what accessibility is in gaming

[pale lava]

there's no point in normal/heroic being annoying

[eager thorn]

Cos making it so a lot more people can do it is making it more accessible

[tired brook]

remember when texas completely shut down when there was a snowstorm, surely america is built to last 🙏

[tidal kindle]

Insurance companies started leaving Florida like 5 years ago

Because the risk was too high