fury

[winter shoal]

And it's like 60 yard range or some shit

[prisma escarp]

I wanna say worth it either way lol

[winter shoal]

hasted 1s cast*

[covert blaze]

that would troll your other on use if you use double on use

[prisma escarp]

so enrage/avatar/reckless literally does nothing for it? Im gonna try using it as soon as I can in the opener after avatar and such has worn off in that case

[winter shoal]

imagine playing double on use

[winter shoal]

Correct, you want to use it before or after your cds

[covert blaze]

not uncommon

[tardy axle]

just send as the prepull > cast trinket > reck > charge > opener

[prisma escarp]

I see, I see, tyvm

[winter shoal]

I know, technically bis I think but turbo cringe

[prisma escarp]

My logic of using after opener is chunking the boss hp a little bit to give it more damage on the missing hp scaling

but if prepull works too then hell yeah

[young swan]

literally just never need it

[covert blaze]

if it's your only on use, just use it before cds

[winter shoal]

@prisma escarp prepull mandate and it should come back up right after your 1:30 avatar ends

[covert blaze]

you risk missing a use if you use it like 25 seconds into the fight

[prisma escarp]

I see, this is huge help ty :D

nutty trinket, can't wait til we get it as an awakened one in Season4

[covert blaze]

you have to do this if doing double on use tho

[winter shoal]

I think I'd rather drop bounding than rumbling earth, at least for pugs where you can't trust mfs to kick

[brittle crow]

NEVER drop bounding

[winter shoal]

Also no rally goes crazy Xan

[covert blaze]

no rally

lmao

7

[brittle crow]

rally bad in m+ tbh tbh

[winter shoal]

You're not wrong

But if I tell my group I can't rally bc I don't have it specced, I'm getting gkicked

[dry hawk]

Thane fury m+ tomorrow?

[winter shoal]

If you want

Still RA though I think until the RB/BT buffs come in

[dry hawk]

Yeah, doing 9's right now I feel like a balance druid. Blow load on a pack then do tank damage

[winter shoal]

Idk if Fishy or Greg ever ran the numbers on RA after the RB/BT buffs

[winter shoal]

Play uproar and you can blow your load on every pack, should be plenty for 9s

[tardy axle]

just say that you used it already and hten when they cant find it in the MRT tracker just say its bugged

[brittle crow]

so fdk is the ridiculous melee spec rn but enhancement is a bit behind

so if i play enh, they'll nerf fdk, and ill be safe

📈

[hasty tide]

by that logic warrior wouldnt be getting nerfed because we arent top melee spec either

[final timber]

so how good is Fury Mountain gonna be tomorrow

Compared to slayers?

[random raptor]

I thought the changes were for the 20th anniversary patch? which changes are coming through with reset?

[final timber]

class tuning are today

or tomorrow

[hasty tide]

#updates-midnight

[final timber]

whatever timezone you are

[random raptor]

So its every change so far that's been listed right?

[hasty tide]

all changes coming tomorrow are in the update channel

[velvet obsidian]

I think slayer is still ahead tomorrow, and only falls behind in multitarget once anniversary changes hit

[final timber]

much appreciated

[random raptor]

I'm blind, thanks haha

[final timber]

love this server

[hasty tide]

no worries, archi does a great job of keeping the updates and general %'s updated in there

[final timber]

anyone here played arms in m+?

[hasty tide]

usually check there first

[final timber]

im wanna give it a go

but not sure where to start

[celest sierra]

starting tomorrow is Mountain Thane the play for M+?

[velvet obsidian]

maybe. Depends on the key.

[celest sierra]

wont lie i trie dit out for a few keys and it was super fun

[hasty tide]

will have to wait and see what goes live, would assume alot try thane in keys now though

[velvet obsidian]

Slayer is still better at bursting down packs, so if the packs don't live through the giga burst then slayer is still better in basically all situations. But if you're higher up and packs live forever then Thane could be worth

[winter shoal]

#arms has some colossus enjoyers

[thorny blade]

#showtooltip Aceite de maná algari
/use Aceite de maná algari
/use [btn: 1] 16; [btn:2] 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1

the macro for aplying the buff to the weapon

right click to the second hand

left click to the left 😄

[young swan]

ok thane pretty sick

[glossy dragon]

My overall is higher in thane as now

Right now*

[brittle crow]

it shouldnt be rn

[south kayak]

Where's this coming from

lmao is that a girl built in into your details

[young swan]

yeah

[tardy axle]

lets see 👀

[south kayak]

oh you're playing thane

[tender sky]

AM or RA?

[south kayak]

Can't tell

[young swan]

RA

[south kayak]

Nice transmog

[winter shoal]

Xan do you know where I can find the simc headers for the thane buffs?

[young swan]

u mean like the overrides?

[winter shoal]

Trying to sim RA thane vs AM thane vs RA slayer after RB/BT changes from Fishy's sim but I think something's fucked

Ye

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ksYkjA5ZtrBFtssZu99BSp

[young swan]

is he awake?

[south kayak]

Porbably not

[winter shoal]

Showing RA thane being 10% behind RA slayer which seems wrong

[young swan]

k

sec

[winter shoal]

I copied the headers from his sims he posted yesterday but seems fucked idk

[south kayak]

btw how often do you use execute as thane?

Why aren't they buffing execute

such an easy task and it will help with st/sustain

[south kayak]

it's right fucking there

I'm frustrated lol

[young swan]

im ngl i hardly touch that button lmfao

[south kayak]

F

[young swan]

everytime i press it, it feels like a mistake

just does no damage

[south kayak]

Makes me wonder why blizzard keeps buffing BT/RB but not touch execute

just keeps it even worse

for no reason

that troll set looks poggers

[ornate gust]

Because we don’t give them feedback as BM bunters and Holy Paladins 😀

[south kayak]

So true

[ornate gust]

We keep saying we are fine 😀

[south kayak]

Gonna have to steal a BM's identity

Xan's got a nice dress on

(ingame)

[tardy axle]

the bm hunter in my guild is fucking fuming at the changes, 37% behind marksman in aoe

[south kayak]

Something is giga wrong with BM aoe

I heard they changed pet scaling so that's why

[tardy axle]

yea

[lament hinge]

fdk still didnt catch a nerf

[south kayak]

dw man fdk is not op or anything

that's fury

[calm quartz]

Ret mid in raid dodging all the nerfs for m+

[south kayak]

that's literally it tho

[lament hinge]

fury isnt even that good

[south kayak]

they tune for raid

[lament hinge]

even without the nerfs we got before

[inland flame]

It was so funny seeing how passable Crit's DK's damage was with like 602 gear.

[calm quartz]

Idk why they can't balance seperately for m+

There's pvp balancing

Surely they could do some sort of 5 man instanced balance

[lament hinge]

well they can clearly reduce damage those abilities do in pvp only and not touch pve but guess they just got lazy

[south kayak]

Well that's not true, they still do that

but idk how they could do it in pve with either raid or m+

[inland flame]

They want abilities to be consistent across content, it would probably be awful to add another layer of knobs they had to tune on top of everything else

[south kayak]

^

PvP is understandable but not within PvE

it's too many layers

[barren coral]

too convoluted

besides, the 3% nerf and the upcoming aoe nerf has nothing to do with m+

and its a very shitty way to nerf warr in raid too

since it just aggravates how useless it is when the fight is not perfectly made for him

[inland flame]

Don't worry boiz we Blastin for our AoE dam starting tomorrow anyway

[low folio]

and the .5 patch later undos over half the buff 😛

not literally but

[inland flame]

I really want to see the numbers with the BT RB buff and how AM does

[clever path]

We need more single target buffs

If they are gonna follow through with the multi nerfs

[south kayak]

True

[inland flame]

Add another 50% buff to the tier again yolo

Lots of ways to do it

Buff Slayers Strike or Lightning Strike, obviously they already doing the second

[clever path]

We need baseline buffs atm tier buffs do nothing after this tier is over

[inland flame]

I'd like to see Colossus be really good for Arms actually.

[south kayak]

and for the of all that is holy, buff Execute

[spiral ridge]

exe or rampage would be good

[south kayak]

Yeah true

buff rampage but buff Execute a lot more lol

[inland flame]

Fury is in such an awkward spot with the relationship between builders and spenders, RA not helping

[south kayak]

that's true but that's the point of RA

if you play AM Rampage is the first prio

[inland flame]

Yeah RA losing stonks with anniversary anyway

[clever path]

RA should be better for single target while AM should be better for multi. That should be how they are tuned

[south kayak]

True

[south kayak]

According to sims, it still would be in .5

[clever path]

Blizz just loves fucking things up for the sake of what they think is balance

[south kayak]

So you should be fine

[barren coral]

shit for both best i can do :/

[clever path]

While in reality they just fuck up the entire spec without any compensation

[inland flame]

I'm a pretty big AM enjoyer, just Ramping as much as possible is p straightforward and its fast gameplay too. RA messes with my head a little but I got used to it pretty fast.

[lean heart]

i especially like how theyve designed the fights to have ads with low hps spawn every ~45s while giving us snap AoE burst every ~45s and then nerfed us 5 times in a row

masterful gambit

[clever path]

Literally next tier we will be so bad it won’t even be funny

[barren coral]

i find it weird that RB reset bonus dmg workst with CB

when absolutely nothing else related to RB works with CB

[clever path]

Like 20 percent lower than anyone else

Blizzard has such short sited balancing swings

[lament hinge]

i just dont like AM or mountain thane for that matter, with prot it works for obvious reasons.

[lean heart]

on single target we were below aug at some point like i know thats not supposed to be our strong suit but STILL

[inland flame]

Maybe they'll give us a council fight that's big good for Thane or sumn

[clever path]

We don’t need more fights that are good for us. That’s what’s getting us nerfed

[frail trout]

I'll take another aberrus raid tbh

mostly single target

then I will play arms

[clever path]

We need blizzard to fix the issues with our base kit

[barren coral]

wdym were?

[inland flame]

We wouldn't be uniquely good tho with say another Primal Council fight

[lean heart]

yeh yeh tru

[lean heart]

its so fucking bad

[inland flame]

Our snap AoE is uniquely good rn which was the problem

[lean heart]

we were doing heroic farm and i was like 11th on the meters or something on sikran and still got a 99 its so fucking bad lmao

[clever path]

Blizzard should never tune based on temporary things. That’s what causes classes and specs to die.

[inland flame]

Go Arms for Patchwerk fights give in to the dark side

And then get nerfed anyway

[clever path]

I would go arms if my raid would give me any off spec gear lol

[frail trout]

thats the most offensive thing for me is arms randomly catching strays

when they are clearly meaning for these slayer changes to hit fury

[barren coral]

if anyone played arms rn im sure they'd be revolted

[inland flame]

Just send it with Fury gear its so worth for Patchwerky fights and like Silken Court

[clever path]

Had someone be like “arms is 20 percent better than fury for rash you know” mhm lemme get on that getting bis gear from all the things I don’t get

[barren coral]

there is no way this is true

[inland flame]

Gotta be careful looking at Rash logs since adds don't count

[clever path]

The adds don’t count towards logs anymore

So it’s very true

[barren coral]

oh yeah forgor

[lean heart]

warcraft logs yeeting the ads on rashanan for logs is still so insane to me lmao

[barren coral]

wdym, its only true for logs

[buoyant salmon]

what does this even mean lol

[barren coral]

u want to burst those adds

[frail trout]

I played arms for our rash kill and our other warrior stayed fury, he was #1 on adds but I was #2

didn't need us both to play fury

I topped boss dam

[lean heart]

yeh 2 is def overkill

[clever path]

Yeah my raid has 2 fury warriors and while I am doing more damage than him most pulls, we have other people padding when we don’t need it

[lament hinge]

[clever path]

Holding us back hardcore on the fight honestly giving up ST

[winter shoal]

I think Garms' post on the subject made the most sense. Removing adds that can be deliberately spawned and/or don't need to die makes sense to avoid degenerate cheesing, but removing adds that DO need to die is kinda weird. If it's that big of a problem, just make it not count for allstars

[frail trout]

we basically had 3 people that would do dam to adds, our destro lock was using cataclysm on them and getting a ton of free damage for it (thats all he casted on them)

and me and the fury

[winter shoal]

Gonna do some absolutely despicable shit tomorrow and play full ST fury on Rashanan for the memes

[lean heart]

lord have mercy

[inland flame]

Real power move would be to play cleave spec Thane

[lean heart]

do like 600k boss

[clever path]

This is how we are supposed to be doing it. But we have a dk and a demon hunter that are too hungry for numbers

[trail bane]

That feeling when your 96 log is worse than a BM hunters 54 log

[lament hinge]

sad how low damage we do in ST even with ST build

[winter shoal]

That actually goes kinda crazy tbh

[lean heart]

giga cooked

[clever path]

Oh but when hunters get nerfed they piss and shit and cry

Got one those in my raid that has done nothing but say hunters suck all tier

[winter shoal]

This is me with fury xdd

[lean heart]

BM did get fucked when they changed something w beast cleave tho

[lament hinge]

bm buffed tho

[clever path]

Yeah but they do giga single target. All I hear everyone say is “play what your class is good at and switch for what it’s not” when I bring up fury issues. Same should apply to them

[trail bane]

I just love all the people saying the holy pala nerfs were bad because they were just being propped up by healing on Rashanan.

Fury used to be rank 1 overall dmg on mythic but dropped to rank 21 when WCL removed Rashanan add dmg from the logs.

Sure, the holy nerf would have been stupid and its good that they reverted it.

But the fury nerfs should for sure come with some compensatory single target buffs.

[trail bane]

I havnt checked it myself but people have been saying this is a slight nerf in single target but a buff in multi target.

[clever path]

They need a heavy nerf in single target if I’m being honest

And more buffs for multi to compensate

[sinful hatch]

Azor said its 5% less ST and 14% more aoe for BM

[trail bane]

I dont know if they need heavy nerfs in single target. If you only look at logs without PI they are good but Arcane and Enhancement are way better.

But yea they need the opposite of what fury needs. ST nerfs and MT buffs. Because their MT is about as bad as our ST.

[clever path]

Yeah I hate when blizz uses the weak excuse of “some classes need to be bad at things” like yes some clssses need to be better, but we don’t need classes being so much worse you laugh at including them

[trail bane]

I like the idea of different specs being good at different things. But it seems to be way too hard for Blizzard to balance

[lament hinge]

too many specs to balance

[trail bane]

Too many specs, too many different damage profiles.

[tardy axle]

just play arms anyway and line up demolish and cleave windows for the adds, massive smacks

[sudden tusk]

608 dk vs 623 hunter lmao

[trail bane]

And in the end, 2 dmg profiles matter way more than all the others. ST is always good for raiding. Sustained AOE is always good for m+.

Sometimes there will be raid bosses where burst aoe is insanely good. Sometimes it will be useless. But the best spec at singletarget will never be benched.

[restive peak]

I'm 614, everyone else is 623, this is M ulgrax

[crystal mountain]

with tomorrow's changes, how is Fury Thane looking?

[restive peak]

and I'm #2 boss dam

DK is fucking broken

[tardy axle]

why is DK taking so long to get nerfed when other classes are going through multiple balance patches constantly

[lament hinge]

what about DH

[trail bane]

"Ovniax is basically designed to be a good fury warrior fight."

Mythic Ovinax top 3:

[tardy axle]

cos as this point might aswell just play the hero class

i like how even in unholys dream fight frost still has better ceiling potential

[eternal sundial]

It's just the pad bosses it's okay if dk can shine in a few fights..

[tardy axle]

and the excuse for M+ dominance is..?

[torpid sand]

chat, are we gonna be good for M+ tomorrow

or we will suck

[lament hinge]

still suck

[torpid sand]

insane

[tardy axle]

we collossus now bois

[trail bane]

It does matter a little what those fights are.

[eternal sundial]

Shush no reasonable arguments here

Not like fury is in the same boat

[trail bane]

If frost dk, dev evoker and arcane were seeing nerfs as well as fury. I would be more ok about the fury nerfs.

[obtuse socket]

How are the mountain thane buffs looking?

[unreal pewter]

mediocre

[trail bane]

Good enough to probably (probably) be better than Slayer for m+. But not good enough to make Mountain Thane better for raiding.

[tardy axle]

if the adds live for an eternity you have better sustained otherwise meaningless

[trail bane]

Buffing Thane 9% in ST and its still worse than the worst ST spec really tells you how well Blizzard did at balancing this patch.

[tardy axle]

its the warrior developer that does it, not blizz themselves

[trail bane]

I wish there was a warrior developer

[obtuse socket]

Ahh

[trail bane]

The guy currently making balance changes for warrior is probably spending 99% of his time playing Evoker.

[unreal pewter]

If only there was an actual warrior developer

[tardy axle]

if its anyhing like realz (rogue developer) they let them buff / nerf the class as needed, there definitely is a warrior developer they just dont interact wit hthe community

in S3 DF outlaw didnt get touched for ages because realz went on leave for like a few months or something

and they refused to touch outlaw until he got back

[trail bane]

They have stated that they dont have a developer assigned to each class.

[tardy axle]

thats when they got the crackshot rework

[eternal sundial]

I mean design wise fury is in a very different spot than usual

Wouldnt call it a bad spot

[trail bane]

Its probably true that they let one person deal with a specific class or spec. But there isnt 26 developers, one working on each dps spec. Or 14 (or however many there now are) devs each working on a specific class.

[unreal pewter]

when mage gets nerfed, and mages cry, they revert/buff them... when fury warrior gets nerfed and warriors cry, arms and fury get aditional nerfs

[eternal sundial]

38 i think

[trail bane]

Imo Fury is in the worst state gameplay wise it has been in a long time. We have too many cooldowns.

[eternal sundial]

You have reck ava macro, roar of and bs

That's fine ngl

[trail bane]

I didnt say too many buttons, i said too many cooldowns.

[tardy axle]

reck ava macro? nty

[eternal sundial]

Though id prefer os over Avatar

[trail bane]

Take fire mage for example. They have Combustion.

[eternal sundial]

Avatar should be arms only

[trail bane]

We have Avatar, Reck, TR, BS and OF

[eternal sundial]

There is no downside to have he ava keybind also rip reck as long as you have a seperate reck

[trail bane]

When we have that many cds ofc we need to be dogshit outside of our cds

Which means all we will do is burst

Which means it will be insanely hard to balance us

[eternal sundial]

Look at df s2 fury for example

OS, reck, ava, roar

Ravager too

The issue isnt the amount of CDs it's the damage you do outside of them

Well s2 was never out of CDs...

[tardy axle]

im playing on controller; 1 reck keybind

[eternal sundial]

I play like a normal person, 3 reck keybinds

[tardy axle]

[trail bane]

Back in DF S2 TR wasnt that strong. Ravager was just a rage generator.

[eternal sundial]

Ravager with hurricane wasnt just rage

Lmao

[trail bane]

And i wouldnt say DF S2 was especially good to play as fury either

[eternal sundial]

30% damage amp is disgusting

[tardy axle]

DF S2 was still ass as fury

[eternal sundial]

Ye nah S2 was disgusting

[trail bane]

Ok let me rephrase is, you didnt pop it so that it could do dmg

[eternal sundial]

95% reck uptime in sims xdd

[trail bane]

Like you do with Spear, Roar, or BS now.

[eternal sundial]

It didnt do zero dam and if you added the damage it adds under it itd be insane

Im glad hurricane is gone tho

[trail bane]

And if you want to think yourself back to a time when fury felt good to play. Think yourself back to BFA

Recklessness and Ravager as your only big cds

And mega trucking dps on 4 targets like nobody else

Outside and inside of cds

[eternal sundial]

I liked sl s2 fury

S3 was the death of the spec

[trail bane]

I played arms for all of SL because it felt really good

:d

[eternal sundial]

Crushing blow, reck procs, cb>exe

Holemolee

[eternal sundial]

S3 arms tierset was a bit xd tbf

Otherwise neat tho

[trail bane]

I didnt play S3

:D

[north edge]

I’ve cleared GB +11 on my alt pal, but can’t get into +10 keys on my 625 main warrior

[trail bane]

or S4

My guild died at sylvanas

[north edge]

SMH class discrimination

[trail bane]

So i quit until DF

[eternal sundial]

SL fated was unironically playable

Df fated was just ass

[trail bane]

I skipped DF s4 as well, because there is no way i would pay the monthly subscription to play content ive already played

Blizzard is getting enough money from me that they should be able to develop new content for each season.

[eternal sundial]

Do you enjoy dungeon redos

[trail bane]

As in bringing back dungeons for m+ or as in doing the same dungeon twice?

[eternal sundial]

M+

[trail bane]

I like when they bring back dungeons for m+ when they are dungeons that havnt been in m+ before.

Grim Batol is nice to experience as m+. Doing Mists again feels cheap.

But also im the kind of player who prefered the game pre-m+

My ideal week in wow is raidlogging

Having to do 50 m+ the first week of a season to gear up is painful

Having to do 8 for a couple of weeks to maximize your vault is acceptable but i would prefer not to do it.

[tardy axle]

your ideal week in wow is raid logging (aka spending as least amount of time possible playing the game) but DF S4 is too little? the difference is what, 6 hours a week?

at that point why play

[trail bane]

The problem with DF S4 is that ive already cleared the raid and helped my guild get all the shit they want from it

I would have quit the game a long time ago if it was just Molten Core each season over and over again

As long as they release new raids im perfectly fine spending the money i am to log in a couple of times per week to do the raid

m+ is nice for alts though, something that i can sit down and do without having to commit to hours of pugging a raid

So its a nice addition to the game, i just wish i didnt have to do it on my main :D

[eternal sundial]

I like delves on alt

Beyond having to farm keys...

[trail bane]

Making delves part of the vault ruined it for me

I spent so much time spamming t8 bountiful delves the last couple weeks

That im tired of it now

[eternal sundial]

I mean they arent revelant vault slots

[trail bane]

They were before

[eternal sundial]

If you do mythic or 10s

[trail bane]

During the 2 weeks where you couldnt get mythic track items in your vault

[eternal sundial]

Only until you had 4P

Ngl i havent done a single one on main since release of m+

[trail bane]

I did like 80 delves during those 2 weeks

Across my main and alts

[eternal sundial]

Yea but then that was for actual drops + nothing else to do

[tribal flint]

Boys, are we back ?

[vague fern]

In what sense?

[tribal flint]

did we get un nerfed a bit ??

[young swan]

slayer is the same

thane is gonna fucking CRANK in m+ now

[vague fern]

Yeah we got nerds and buffs. We are not bad in ST, not even close 😂

M+ big buff, raid ST nerf, AoE nerf

[young swan]

aoe hasnt changed

[tribal flint]

yea ima try out thane

[young swan]

its only gone up

[tribal flint]

been playing a warlock a bit so, but im gonna try that for sure

[vague fern]

As I don’t see thane being the go to for raid AoE

[young swan]

raid aoe ahsnt been nerfed yet

[vague fern]

Slayer AoE was nerfed no?

[young swan]

nah

[vague fern]

Ahh that’s the next patch right?

[clever belfry]

11.0.5

[young swan]

yar

[pearl sequoia]

we're so back..

[vague fern]

Yeah yeahh, got ya! I knew it was coming

[tribal flint]

Ah

[vague fern]

We are not back in raid 😂

We are the same in Raid then

[young swan]

thane kinda fun as fuck once u get used to it

i take back my slander

CD's are kinda messy

[tribal flint]

ja clappa ?

[sleek trellis]

ilvl 621. I gave it my all. Losing to much dps during boss fights. CoT +9

[young swan]

so many buttons to hit

[pearl sequoia]

isnt it just add thunderclap to prio list

[south kayak]

That should be much better with AM in next patch

[vague fern]

Jesus really? I have arthritis in my hands and fury as it is hurts.. do I play thane and make it worse.. YUP

[tribal flint]

fury wariror makes me fingers sore like they worked out

[clever belfry]

with AM next patch it'll be lass ass

[south kayak]

YEP that's what I said

you won't have to feel like pressing CB or BB lol

after every rampage even with max rage

during cds at least

[tribal flint]

Crushing blow has always been like that lol;

[clever belfry]

cause u don't have to focus on spending blasts and cbs between unhinged ticks

[tribal flint]

I will try out AM

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ashley-re4-crank-hog-resident-evil-4-gif-10619676181707888931

[south kayak]

Rotate that hog*

[tribal flint]

Yep thats always beem CB

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[vague fern]

Is the AM change not today?

[south kayak]

No, thats next month

[vague fern]

Sadge

[south kayak]

Something to look forward to, at least

(not the soft cap)

[vague fern]

Wait wait, it’s just hit me.. Anger management change???

[tardy axle]

play with a controller; its completely doable with console port addon,

[clever belfry]

not really

[south kayak]

They buffed BT and RB by about 30% to make AM a little better compared to RA

[clever belfry]

just a change that affects AM more than RA

[vague fern]

Ahh yeah yeah, I know they buffed them, alrighty

[clever belfry]

this is targeted at AM but not a direct change in a real sense

[vague fern]

So for now all we have buffed is thane? Everything else is coming?

[unreal onyx]

So we are MT gaming with this reset now

[clever belfry]

you can

[tardy axle]

we are collossus boys now

[south kayak]

nobody her eis a colossus boy

[clever belfry]

think in raid its only legit on ovinax

[unreal onyx]

I mean for m+

[clever belfry]

i may try AM thane on ovi

[unreal onyx]

Raid is still slayer

I assume

[clever belfry]

ya id play thane in m+

[vague fern]

Thane isn’t bursty enough to be used in raid I don’t think

[crude gate]

Low key excited for reset into Thane keys

[vague fern]

I have not tried it once so I’m looking forward to the change up

I’ve heard mixed reviews

[obsidian siren]

Thane will be good for fortified weeks, but slayer still good for tyranical weeks, no?

[crude gate]

That's not how it works anymore mate

It's always fort and tyran

[vague fern]

10+ it’s both

[obsidian siren]

ah, shit

so thane best overall

[crude gate]

Well yea, and anything below 10 it literally does not matter what spec you play

[vague fern]

And trash is always the most important part

[clever belfry]

it's just a bit of a mess during cds. Wanna spend CBs, wanna spend blasts, re ramp before unhinged ticks (esp in st)

with AM half theses woes go away tho

[obsidian siren]

waiting on fury re-work tbh

[crude gate]

Not really, it's always blast right? #1 prio

[clever belfry]

Well hf munching CBs

[vague fern]

Might change AoE - ST rotation maybe? I dunno, literally never played it

Different priorities

[unreal onyx]

Press blast, press cb press ramp ez

[celest latch]

Just joined warrior discord after playing warrior for 6years 😅 excited to read up and improve my performance with information available here 😁

[crude gate]

Rotations are on wowhead , doubt much changed as most spells got buffed

[obsidian siren]

just enrage yourself on a target dummy and look at #s decide proc/CD prio

[young swan]

its just overwhelming, not an actual change in quantity

[young swan]

i just mean that theres a lot of shit happening

[clear cargo]

im new to warrior (created my first toon yesterday and got from 1-76 in one session) having a blast ! so much more fun to play than DK in general (my main). but its hard to keep up with all the info here when it says "AM" or "CB". would love some kind of legend where those things are written out ^^

[obsidian siren]

AM - Anger management; CB - Crushing Blow

[south kayak]

Those are abbreviations for spells you'll have to learn, we can help you by showing you what they mean though obviously

[clear cargo]

tyvm ^^

[glossy dragon]

thane losing to dh and dk in 10 SV 🙂

[clear cargo]

ye, was the same in DK discord back when i was new. im not saying its impossible to read, i just need to see what those abbreviations mean

[glossy dragon]

626 ilvl vs 621 ilvl

[native saffron]

So with all the talk between slayer and thane for m+. How big is the gap or wont we know yet?

[tardy axle]

i mean tbf, thats pretty close

to the "op" specs atm

[south kayak]

This is before the buffs too and that's pretty close to the big specs

ngl

[obsidian siren]

there are # crunches in the updates-war-within section of this discord

[glossy dragon]

i probably top as slayer

[native saffron]

Thank you kind sir

[tardy axle]

so then those 2 are just ass at their class; got it

[clever escarp]

yea right now you would

[glossy dragon]

p sure thane is gonna be giga in keys after tomorrows buffs

[tardy axle]

thane you clap to keep up cleaver buff unless you get blast then send it asap right?

[obsidian siren]

in thane, doesnt clap just replace WW?

[pearl sequoia]

consult the scripture

[young swan]

im ngl its giga in keys NOW

[south kayak]

can you tell if thane does more damage outside of cds

when you go the next pack for example

[young swan]

100% it does

[young swan]

ye

[glossy dragon]

way more damage outside of cds relative to slayer

[south kayak]

Doesn't TB literally do more damage than OF?

[glossy dragon]

and the burst seems very similar

[south kayak]

like one hit of TB > OF

[buoyant salmon]

what are u guys talking ab out op specs

[runic violet]

I've coped

[buoyant salmon]

dh is not op lol

[runic violet]

I play ret now :0

[buoyant salmon]

are we just making shit up

[glossy dragon]

DH TOO OP

[runic violet]

I feel so bad outdpsing other warrios as ret 😦

[south kayak]

DH more broken than S3 DF dh

[buoyant salmon]

not even close to being remotely true

[south kayak]

(sarcasm)

[buoyant salmon]

s3 df dh wasnt even as insane ppl said it was after the fel barrage nerfs

current dh is just mid in keys

[south kayak]

Current dh has giga burst on meta

but that's it

[buoyant salmon]

not bad but calling it particularly good would just be kinda lying

[south kayak]

I mean, it is good

but it's not op

I was not serious

[buoyant salmon]

i dont believe you

[south kayak]

:susge

Demonsurge do be pumping

[signal gyro]

I'm just going to play thane even in raid and just forget about parses and what's good anymore, they can't slap a blue post on my fun

[south kayak]

Admirable

[vagrant bobcat]

Probably discussed somewhere earlier already, but with the reset tuning, is thane going to be the M+ spec of choice?

[south kayak]

Very likely

[young swan]

seems that way

[south kayak]

do be like that

[hushed ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

[south kayak]

JA CLAPPA

[unreal pewter]

ya'all talking like dps warrior was a m+ class of choice

[young swan]

+15% aoe is a pretty big number

[obsidian siren]

legit only get invited to keys with guildies

only ones that know i pump

[hazy cedar]

Mountain thane needs nerf

[hushed ocean]

it will be !

i mean, i can res too !

[south kayak]

gbig number go brr

[hushed ocean]

using 1.5k gold to res some fucker

[unreal pewter]

Yes! nerf execute for example so arms can share the pain too

[hazy cedar]

Buff slayer

[obsidian siren]

i would argue with the amoun tof utility we have, we should have more damage, wouldjust make sense

[hushed ocean]

we have ton of DR generators !

[hazy cedar]

I don't want another amirdrasil where dmg is decent but the playstyle is dog water. If you want thunder clap play prot

[hushed ocean]

u can free DR a pack every 30s

that's pretty cool

[young swan]

its the exact same as slayer

u just have clap instead of SD

[hushed ocean]

is a fucking questionmark, change my minds

[pearl sequoia]

?

[south kayak]

Lmao I said the same thing a while ago

It's like Cleave looking like a bird beak

[unreal pewter]

wtb meathook from SoD as utility

[hazy cedar]

That's just not true, slayer compliments fury with the mark sudden death, a lot of spinning and fast bladestorms. Mountain thane just replaces whirlwind with thunderclap wow such cool gameplay like pressing slam instead of RB 🙂

[obsidian siren]

give me die by the sword and the ability to "yell" at an ally to brez them

[young swan]

there is almost 0 rotational difference

[proud surge]

That ten percent nerf on slayer blade storm is rough tho

[young swan]

if anything, thane is more interactive

[buoyant salmon]

ppl complaining about hitting slam in annihilator are just so insnae to me

[red berry]

WHAT

slam??????????

[buoyant salmon]

who cares what ur filler button is its filler

[red berry]

lmao

[south kayak]

How about we chalk this up to preference? but it's the exact same rotation with different abilities

[red berry]

yes thunder clap has a slower CD but it hits far harder. besides,

you rarely press slam with hack and slash no matter what

[clever escarp]

filler that feels like wet fart of old person

[buoyant salmon]

name a single filler button ever that 'feels good' to press

[south kayak]

Thunder Clap

Blast*

[hazy cedar]

Fillers are fury

[hazy cedar]

Was referencing amirdrasil

[unreal pewter]

The button that fills your coffee

[proud surge]

So will thane be king tmr

[young swan]

for m+, very likely

[hazy cedar]

In aoe

[proud surge]

And still be shit for bosses

[red berry]

ahhh yeah

[young swan]

theres potential for it to be good on mythic ovinax

but otherwise, yeah, pretty shite in raid

[proud surge]

They been nerfing fury lately

[sudden tusk]

only issue with ovin is how long it takes thane to do its damage

[young swan]

it really doesnt take thane very long to do damage

[sudden tusk]

itll be good for overall dam but i think the nature of what fury needs to do on that fight slayer packs in the burst a little more

[unreal pewter]

they nerfed it so hard even arms got to feel it

[young swan]

its like 5-6s instead of 4s

[sudden tusk]

tho with the contant nerfs to stuff like Overwhelmed/ Bladestorm damage bonus might not be as bad

plus slayer does technically have ramp with overwhelmed

[clever belfry]

i will try AM thane tomorrah

on ovi that is

[young swan]

i will be trying it befoer you

[clever belfry]

Think it doesn't really matter what i do there, boss will just fall

[clever belfry]

HATE AMERICANS

[young swan]

owned

cope and seethe and mald and writhe

[noble patrol]

So aside from switching to MT are we (fury) also going back to Anger Management with thane? With the buffs to non empowered bt and rb

[young swan]

the rb and bt buffs arent coming until 11.0.5

aka not tomorrow

[noble patrol]

oh yeah

[young swan]

so no AM

[noble patrol]

good call

[clever belfry]

thane AM should be a lot easier to cdr than slayer

cause u get atleast 1 extra ramp cause rav

• i havent played AM on that boss since the eggbreak change

i believe it will be freelo

[young swan]

its very free

[clever belfry]

Ill also just equip my many haste ring

(2nd boss myffic ring)

instead of ovinussy ring

caused i legit do not possess haste

[south kayak]

I have both 2nd boss and ovinax ring

feels good

[clever belfry]

I have queen ring 👍

so there's 1 (one) variable ring slot

[south kayak]

that i lack

[clever belfry]

L

[south kayak]

still haven't killed hc queen

[clever belfry]

huh

[dusty rose]

1st, 2nd and 3rd boss on Mythic are easier than queen

[clever belfry]

i honestly do not think bbound horror mythic is easier

[south kayak]

yeah we starting mythic

man we're almost 100 pulls into hc queen and we still haven't done p1 properly

[clever belfry]

what even is hard on queen to more casual gamers now

[south kayak]

it ain't looking good

[clever belfry]

i think i would fall off a bridge jesus

[dusty rose]

My guild down Queen HC with 100 tries and the first 3 bosses on mythic with 15 tries each

[clever belfry]

how many hours a week do you raid

[dusty rose]

3 times - 3h

[clever belfry]

man

[molten wing]

what i've seen people struggle the most on HC queen is not being able to time the double soak , and also baiting the liquify drops to the spots where you are gonna run to place the roots so when people start running they die

doesn't help that people also try to 25-30 man her and a lot of people just straight up die and make the fight harder

[south kayak]

man last raid was bad

we've been playing like this

people popping soaks early

..

[pearl sequoia]

my guilds current situation with 30 people

[south kayak]

the raid environment wasn't good

people were pissed off

[dusty rose]

But normally you have so much dps now

[molten wing]

@south kayak https://wago.io/0VgT-LaxG link them this and force them to use it

if they are really having a hard time timing it

[south kayak]

They are using it

[dusty rose]

If you have like 620 it is to much to do Queen HC

[south kayak]

and if we get to intermission

there's like 6 people dead by that point

and more during it

[molten wing]

we had some wipes in p1 , went into intermission 2 times , the first time we reached last phase

she just died before the adds came up

[dusty rose]

But fck doing Sikran Mythic with a Fury it's playing hurting yourself

[molten wing]

you just play arms there

[south kayak]

wouldn't fury be close to arms now with the arms nerfs tomorrow/today

[dusty rose]

I didn't touch arms in 2 years

I can't play Arms now

[south kayak]

only 2?

[molten wing]

there are some decent logs of fury warriros on Sikran too

its basically blast cds

cds come back up but you have to move away so you do

then go back in and blast cds again

do it 2-3 times and it dies

[obsidian siren]

last time i played Arms was when it was the PvP spec in cata

[young ether]

Arms sims like 30k lower on st with the gear I have no, when arms gets nerf tomorrow it’s gonna be even less. I’ll just play fury unless I get some arms gear

[trail bane]

odds are that arms will perform higher for you even if it sims lower

if you can play both at the same lvl

[dusty rose]

For me it's really easier to play Fury than Arms

[sour tundra]

So when are they going to revert the fury nerfs so we are not doing tank damage anymore and getting beat buy Aug evoker as well

[iron portal]

for a moment I thought you are already on mythic queen

[soft totem]

@iron portalhelo manki

[iron portal]

Oh my good old friend Todu

Hello there

[soft totem]

how is ur life recently

[south kayak]

yo todu

you playing the new expac d4?

[iron portal]

Very good. I had good two years without wow, hit the gym, expanded horizons . And then I came back to this poo poo show

What about you old man

[next ruin]

Play mountain thane

[iron portal]

If you get beaten by aug then thats on you lol

[molten wing]

nah we just reached mythic egg boss

[limpid magnet]

Hey boys, going damage for my guilds needs from tank, can anyone give me a tldr for the raid? 😃

[pearl sequoia]

Use cds on adds, gg

[gilded pawn]

mythic trap is a good tldr

if you know the mech from being a tnk it should cover most of it

[limpid magnet]

Thanks 💪🏿

grateful in protection being benched for brood

[buoyant salmon]

holy fuck

i did half a key

as thane

without using bladesotrm or ravagaer

bc i forgot to swap to ravager and bladestorm isnt showing on my ui

exterminate me

[sudden tusk]

dks already do brother

[soft totem]

@south kayakyes - just need to get home

@buoyant salmonuse macro - it swaps when u change talents

[south kayak]

Nice have fun!

[unreal pewter]

I did a delve as colossus without pressing demolish once because I thought I was in slayer loadout

[buoyant salmon]

it was useblre

[unreal pewter]

too much zug zug brain

[buoyant salmon]

jus tnot tracked on my ui

[slate sun]

Hi quick question does unhinged procs during BS consume WW buff?

[eternal sundial]

No

[golden hare]

no they don't cleave

[slate sun]

Ahh sad okay

[radiant plank]

Back in the days it used t o cleave,,

[golden hare]

okay grandpa

[south kayak]

back in the days arms was good

[lament hinge]

we are fine guys

[clever belfry]

love tier lists

[pearl sequoia]

Dude who made that must play ret

blizz psyop

[young glacier]

Its raid tier list right

[slate sun]

Is there a reason why you press OF before you’ve used all 4 stacks then from pressing avatar? WW that is

In an ST / cleave situation

[buoyant salmon]

its aggregate data

u guys are so easily baited

[surreal monolith]

Just started playing a Fury Warrior bc my main account was suspended. Will Mountain Thane be better than slayer tomorrow?

[lament hinge]

it is raid tier list

[fiery spindle]

why is it saying that the versatility neck is better when mastery is our most important stat?

[buoyant salmon]

pawn is beans

[young glacier]

We are fine on raid. Add snipers xd

[slate sun]

Also am I misremembering or was there a talent in DF that made bloodbath do aoe?

[fiery spindle]

@buoyant salmon so just ignore it and use the mastery one?

[young glacier]

Sims yourself. Ignore pawn

[fiery spindle]

gonna do that

[pearl sequoia]

*uninstall pawn

[surreal monolith]

Is mountain Thane any good and or will it be better than slayer come tomorrow with the buffs?

[fiery spindle]

ye the mastery neck is +10k dps

[limpid magnet]

What weakauras are essential for fury? I understand you need to track a few proccs and buffs?

[fiery spindle]

i only use whirlwind and enrage tracker

[night void]

For pawn u have to sim stats and set actual value to addon

[clever belfry]

for pawn
u uninstall it

[surreal monolith]

https://wago.io/ugLhtqNS2 This is all i use

[limpid magnet]

What about the bloodthrist crit wa?

[clever belfry]

👍

[limpid magnet]

Thanks dopey

[clever belfry]

Not necessary unless u follow some super cooked opt conditionals

(not relevant to anyone outside like revvez=

[limpid magnet]

Alright thanns

Thanks*

[pearl sequoia]

marked for death x3 tracker can be useful

[limpid magnet]

I am abit nervous Inhavent really dpsed in raids since SL

😅

[clever belfry]

Just hit boss

[limpid magnet]

Hahaha well I am mythic raidjng and need to get atleast blue purp parses to keep up

[clever belfry]

just hit boss will attain that

[soft dune]

Then better start hitting boss

[surreal monolith]

I just picked up fury warrior and was doing over 1mil DPS ST in raid at 596 ilvl. I think its a good spec to get back into dps with

[limpid magnet]

Ok i hit boss zugzug

[clever belfry]

Overcooking the conditionals is honest to god a decrease for most people

(Opportunist + rage cond on rb for example)

[fiery spindle]

just press whatever lights up 😄

[limpid magnet]

Yeah I could see how overcomllicating things will scuff ya

I appreciate the zugzuh community thanks guys

[young glacier]

XD

[limpid magnet]

Zugzug*

[clever belfry]

i do some really scuff things with tracking my slayer strike counter and delaying Exes for more AJ on arms

but like

don't do that

[fiery spindle]

now go make that tanka danka into wide danka

[clever belfry]

unless ure truely too far gone

[limpid magnet]

OverallDanka

AllaroundDanka

[vale dove]

Im still trying to wrap my head around these BM Hunter ST Buffs

[surreal monolith]

I need to know if mountain thane will better than slayer... I want those juicy lightning animations!

[covert void]

the most satisfying keys?

[vale dove]

arnt BM Hunters gapping everyone in ST 💀

[limpid magnet]

Lets be real.mountain thane Is so fucking cook
L

Cool*

[lament hinge]

not even close

[limpid magnet]

As lrot I play it and I am loving the class fantasy heaps

Prot*

[vale dove]

itl be better in higher end M+ keys where mobs live longer

[iron portal]

Well well well

Look who it is

[limpid magnet]

Oh mothercucker

Razonko the legendary has entered the chat

You still hanging out with that toxic dutch GM? 🤣

[fiery spindle]

@limpid magnet are you from slo?

[limpid magnet]

Nah dude, Australian/Swedish

[fiery spindle]

lucky coincidence then 😄 your name is really sus in my language

[limpid magnet]

Hahaha yesss

Tell me about it

[iron portal]

Was he dutch? Idk, guild imploded shortly after fated Seplucher I think

[fiery spindle]

it's prohibited to post it 😄

[limpid magnet]

Yeah he was, does not suprise me at all 🤣

[fiery spindle]

something along the lines of "TightHole"

[calm quartz]

It's a 5% st loss

Actually

[iron portal]

I never really hung around with him. I also took almost 2 year break after SL

[limpid magnet]

That tier will do that to you hey, you back smashing or what?

[limpid magnet]

Dm me the real deal broski

[fiery spindle]

something along the lines of "TightHole" @limpid magnet

[iron portal]

Just easygoing atm, finishing HC, maybe gonna touch some mythic bosses and mostly m+

[fiery spindle]

but you know which hole it relates to

[limpid magnet]

1 or 2?

🤣

[fiery spindle]

2

[limpid magnet]

Nice and relaxed, I like this raid alot.

Thanks Gaco thats hillarious

Inb4 I get banned from playing with slovs

[clever belfry]

you can time a key with the timer showing over the limit btw

that is the most satisfying 😎

[clever belfry]

4 yrs ago

[iron portal]

I remember it to this day

[polar aurora]

I made this post on warrior forums regarding SMF to give us a choice between modern fury and old school fury. If you agree with it please go like it and comment your thoughts or something like "yes this is what we need"

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bring-back-old-fury-suggestion-for-smf-and-tg/542300

[merry pewter]

had a question about rotation, so basically Rampage, Crushing, Bloodbath should always be similar in cast count right?

[pale lava]

yes

[merry pewter]

Thanks

[gilded pawn]

Bloodbath is a bit lower

You don’t cast bloodbath if you have 100 rage

But ramp and cb is 1 to 1

[gaunt egret]

Will mountain be viable now or is slayer still topping

[merry pewter]

What do you cast if you have 100 rage?

[gilded pawn]

Rampage

And cb

Cb>ramp>bb at 100 rage

[merry pewter]

Interesting

[gilded pawn]

Small nitpick though

[iron portal]

Didnt go through it in detail but its unlikely you would get such a huge overhaul. And also not really sure there are more people that want to play SMF than there are TG enjoyers

Would also make quite a boring gameplay if you just AA

and wait

[gilded pawn]

This sounds horrible yeah

If you wanna play that wow classic is right there

[pale lava]

no data yet, still waiting on reset

[merry pewter]

For max dps after you do rekt / Avatar, dragon roar, bladestorm. Do you odinsfury right after ?

Or is it better to burn your aoe charges then odins

[pale lava]

yes to put ur stuff on cd

aoe charges and rage are cosmetic

[night cedar]

Guys is arms hard to play compared to fury? im in kyveza progress

[pale lava]

arms st is easier

[merry pewter]

Cool. Thx

[night cedar]

good to know

Thanks

[green viper]

So, we are going to play thane on m+ next reset?

[steel shard]

link logs

[steel shard]

No

only if the BT and RB buffs are in

AM thane

[night cedar]

rly?

ZzZ

[pale lava]

M+ ones? they are memes

[pale lava]

we don't know yet how good thane will be in M+

[steel shard]

we do lol

[pale lava]

like on paper it sounds good

but we'll see how it fares in keys realistically

[steel shard]

if anything arms is prob better

[pale lava]

fury simmed ahead arms in sanctum of domination and we know what happened in practice

[brittle crow]

wat even is the fury spec icon

supposed to be

[pale lava]

it's a helmet

with a warrior who is enraged

[brittle crow]

ic

[gilded pawn]

Also that ruins smf for the small number of people who enjoy it

[brittle crow]

good

[gilded pawn]

Imagine someone who plays smf for aesthetics

[brittle crow]

just delete smf so ppl stop asking about it

please

[gilded pawn]

Now they are forced into playing wow classic

[steel shard]

Agreed

i dont know why its still in the game

[clever belfry]

7

[pale lava]

some ppl play smf

nothing wrong with that

[steel shard]

im sure they have fun in t5 delves

[pale lava]

they most likely do, not a bad thing

[steel shard]

if SMF is a thing

[brittle crow]

remove smf, let us transmog into 1handers like we used to be able to

[steel shard]

bring back gladiator stance

[brittle crow]

why is nobody considering this option

[clever belfry]

fuck no

[brittle crow]

when we literally had this

[iron portal]

very likely

[brittle crow]

in the beforetimes

[pale lava]

SMF has nothing to do with this not being in the game by the way

[brittle crow]

nobody plays smf because they like how it plays better

letting u transmog 1handers fixes all issues

[gilded pawn]

When were you ever allowed to log into 1handers

[brittle crow]

legion

[steel shard]

long as time ago

[gilded pawn]

Ic

[brittle crow]

u could transmog into literally anything except wands and daggers

iirc

[gilded pawn]

I was not around then

[steel shard]

anlaki

[clever belfry]

huh no

[steel shard]

peak warrior

[pale lava]

not having this is a technical issue from their end which they stated that it isn't as easy as we think to make happen

not my words though

but my point is, SMF ain't the problem, it's just a talent

[brittle crow]

we LITERALLY COULD DO IT

theres NO ISSUES

zzzzzzzzz

[pale lava]

tell them that

I didn't say that, they did

[brittle crow]

id tell them that to they face

infront of they dad

[oblique pond]

is it true that after a +11 key there is no more seasonal affix it is just fort and tyran scaling endlessly?

[pale lava]

you get this instead

[oblique pond]

so is that at an 11 or after 11

[golden hare]

12 and up

[clever belfry]

very good design

[pale lava]

the worst thing is the 15s meme death penalty

[clever belfry]

i think thats not even close to the worst part of this season

#1 is the unreasonable jumps in difficulty at 10 and 12

we have an infinte scaling system, why do we have jumps

[quick jungle]

why does my sim have higher damage on crushing blow than rampage?

[brittle crow]

because it does more dmg

[mossy fox]

agree anda

[clever belfry]

remember when they moved Tyr/Fort to +2 to remove the massive jump at 10 (their words)?

why the fuck

[pale lava]

because CB does more damage

[clever belfry]

is this reversed

[pale lava]

and you always want to use CB after rampage

[clever belfry]

the 15s is a bit punishing for pugs, but just dont wipe (real)

[pale lava]

gl doing that in premades too

[steel shard]

Just sign up for the TR realms

free key practice

[median kestrel]

guys am i crazy or the timer in SV is like giga bad?

[steel shard]

[pale lava]

only city has good timer

ara kara too actually

[steel shard]

but fr if you want to HKP alwase sign up for the MDI or TGP

[pearl sequoia]

SV timer even when chain pulling is pretty close

[steel shard]

and just practice keys on there

dont care about the tourney

[polar aurora]

This is how fury played in classic and it is definitely not boring i can assure of that. It's actually way less boring than modern fury. Also with my suggestion you have the choice between current fury and old school fury..

[median kestrel]

i time 11-10 easily, except literally SV, was my last dungeon and SV timer simply was awful everytime, 5 deaths and is over?

[quick jungle]

so this season instead of rampage > bloodbath its rampage > crushing blow?

[steel shard]

id beg to differ

[iron portal]

I see people not agreeing with you already

[clever belfry]

you forget that most people dont actually want to improve, but to raise their score

[pale lava]

rampage > CB > BB

[steel shard]

having played classic warrior since classic vanilla to cata

[gilded pawn]

Crushing blow>rampage

[quick jungle]

thnx

[gilded pawn]

You overcap to press crushing blow

[quick jungle]

weird

[steel shard]

Remove RA from the game already

[iron portal]

I would find it boring personally

[mossy fox]

i think the jump in difficulty per key level beyond 12 is also too high, feel like groups are likely to get stuck on the same key levels

[iron portal]

Just AA and wait for proc and rage

[gilded pawn]

Each AA generates 99 rage

[clever belfry]

squishing key levels has that result ye

[gilded pawn]

So you just press bt over and over

[mossy fox]

unsquish them pls

[pale lava]

I think tyran/forti being % modifiers is a huge issue as well

[clever belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-cats-alluzxi-cheek-squish-gif-5498326502091377477

[tired brook]

anda fix it 😠

[brittle crow]

critcake should i level enh shammy or bdk first

[mossy fox]

i can help you with this

[pearl sequoia]

12 should be 5%, 13 10%, 14 15%, 16 20%
Not 20% starting at 12 in my opinion

[mossy fox]

do you wanna dps or tank

[clever belfry]

sorry i dont work there 👍

neither do i have the intention of ever going into gamedev 👍

[tired brook]

[brittle crow]

i like dpsing and tanking ...............

[pale lava]

you're objectively correct but we have designers who just don't play the game

[brittle crow]

and healing

..

[mossy fox]

damn

[brittle crow]

i want to play World of Warcraft

!

[mossy fox]

uhh take the bdk it can do all 3

[tired brook]

multibox main…

[brittle crow]

actually so true

wait

[tired brook]

you can do one man keys

[pearl sequoia]

sadge times

It's not like they have to play the game though, just quick analysis and decision making from data

[pale lava]

their data is trash

they nerfed culling cyclone

that's a pretty good indicator that w/e data they have is not good

[pearl sequoia]

looks at logs - 'how can we nerf warriors top dps ability'

[simple sun]

Yeah they’re playing max +3 Key level and seeing fury anihilate the pack - NERF HAMMER

[pale lava]

BS does too much aoe burst, nerf the talent that is used for ST

[iron portal]

ok im sold

[gilded pawn]

Your rotation will be

Bt hs hs hs bt hs hs hs

[iron portal]

So engaging

[gilded pawn]

Truly classic experience

[brittle crow]

classic players strange definition of fun

[unreal pewter]

WW where?

[iron portal]

You do so much ST damage you dont even need to cleave

[unreal pewter]

important classic rotation button

[pearl sequoia]

classic was fun, but that was 5 years ago 😛

[tidal kindle]

DK also

• historically trends better performance/requirement wise compared to sham
• melee to melee crossover (my biggest struggle w/ playing voker 😦 )
• less keybinds

@brittle crow

[gilded pawn]

Doesn’t unholy have incredible amount of binds

[tidal kindle]

You don't have as much utility shit

Just lot of cd buttons

[gilded pawn]

They have like a st and aoe version of the same ability

For like 4 of them

[brittle crow]

i really wanna learn blood dk because i refuse to acknowledge caster mob rights

id rather just grip them

[steel shard]

unholy and frost are both really good aswell

[brittle crow]

but the last time i tried my brain wasnt big enough

[steel shard]

Unholy still has the giga dam huge pulls class fantasy