fury

[trail bane]

what does that have to do with anything

[warm crag]

no one tell him

[barren coral]

not time, literally ABLE TO FINISH

[eager thorn]

I mean if you cant kill the boss its skill issue

[fallow minnow]

Ok, skill issue detected, now lets get deeper into that

[barren coral]

the 3rd boss is hardlocked if you fuck up 1 time

even with 10v hours

[eager thorn]

No its not

[fallow minnow]

Ummm no

You just do it slow way, focus abominations

[smoky vale]

No?

[eager thorn]

If you dont have the dps or healing then its because you’re not geared or good enough

[lost saffron]

after the healer nerfs

[trail bane]

"the changes on the PTR wont be live for a month so there is no reason to be mad about them" - A genius

[fallow minnow]

And dont do double hook on boss

[eager thorn]

Not because the boss is impossible without spears

[lost saffron]

you can pretty much play third boss forever

if you just focus abos

[fallow minnow]

It is possible

[eager thorn]

Ye i worded it wrong

[fallow minnow]

I have literally spent 2h there first week, everyone negative ilvl

We focused abominations

[lost saffron]

First week it was very different

the healing requirement was mental

[fallow minnow]

Didnt do a double hook on boss from abominations

[lost saffron]

for that low gear

[fallow minnow]

Ye but I talk about killing the boss, not killing it fast

[lost saffron]

It got nerfed afterwards

its free now

[fallow minnow]

Double abomination is still a death sentence at higher keys now

[lost saffron]

you can just play it forever

[fallow minnow]

You could before too

[fallow minnow]

We killed after 5 abominations xD

[dusty geyser]

f dk takes the spot in a run everytime

[fallow minnow]

People just think they can nuke the boss instantly at 10 or higher lol

[eager thorn]

So does a tank, tanks op

[dull sierra]

just need more damage 4head

[barren coral]

so whats the strat? focus abos only , let him hook 1 time and only cleave the boss?

[smoky vale]

thats the slowest way

[fallow minnow]

Yes

Thats the slowest way

[hardy cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[fallow minnow]

But guaranteed to work

[barren coral]

oh ok

i thought its like

fully bricked if you dont kill the boss in 2 hooks

[fallow minnow]

Lmao no

You can do this boss for 2 hours

[strong pilot]

If you wanna time it only kek

[fallow minnow]

And it still will go on and on

Its a looped boss

[barren coral]

i mean id still want to see it nerfed a little

but if its possible slow way thats fine

[smoky vale]

It doesnt need to be nerfed?

[fallow minnow]

I'd say they should make it so spears arent mandatory

Its an obsolete mechanic

[barren coral]

whats your determinant ?

[fallow minnow]

Orbs and shields are cool

Spears are wack

[smoky vale]

Normally you lust 3 spear 1st set then you usually get to like 40-50% and then you can go slow

[barren coral]

ok but why do you think it doesnt need nerfs

[smoky vale]

the content is being cleared

[gleaming siren]

Hosen unequipped

[eager thorn]

I spear the abom :)

[barren coral]

its still clearly one of the tougher dungeons right now

[fallow minnow]

Nah

[trail bane]

1. Dont pop anything on pull

2. After first hook pop everything and 3 spears including lust and pots, nuke boss, dont kill the abo but cleave it a bit

3. Use second hook to hit boss just as he lands on his stage. Keep dpsing boss. (Abo should be dead after this)

4. If boss survies and you think you will kill it before third abo then focus boss, else focus second abo and cleave onto the boss.

[eager thorn]

I think nw is pretty easy

The only hard part is boss 3 lol

[smoky vale]

How is it "clearly" one of the harder ones

[fallow minnow]

Its not hard, people just play it like idiots lol

[eager thorn]

^

The amt of times ive seen melee get cleaved is funny

[fallow minnow]

You can do so many big pulls and chain pulls

You get ahead of the timer

[eager thorn]

(I am the melee being cleaved)

[fallow minnow]

And then you can slow kill 3rd boss

Lust and 3 Spears on 1st hook

Nuke both abo and boss

Then play slow

[hardy cargo]

(I play tank and disco with the frontal to kill the melee)

[trail bane]

If your dps is decent you will kill it before second abo spawns

[fallow minnow]

Worst case scenario you do 3 hooks

[trail bane]

if everyone pots, lusts and 3 spears

even on a 10

[eager thorn]

Hot take but if ur not potting in m+ ur trolling

[barren coral]

idek what to reply here, do you not discuss these with your guild or anyone in-game ?

NW/boralus/SV

[eager thorn]

Well why do you think it should be nerfed

[barren coral]

are always main complaints

i dont think it should be like

[fallow minnow]

Oh boralus is easy

[barren coral]

incredibly nerfed

[eager thorn]

Cos if its solely the 3rd boss which you now know a chill way to be killed then its np

[trail bane]

My experience, with pugs, is that Grim Batol is the hardest, followed by Stonevault and City of Threads

[barren coral]

but 3rd boss really sucks, and a couple of lieutenants there live forever

[eager thorn]

Siege is also pretty chill after the changes

[barren coral]

like the guy with bubble

[trail bane]

Necrotic Wake is probably 4th hardest

But its not hard because of the third boss

Its hard because of the popular big pulls

That can go very wrong if people accidentally stack interupts

[smoky vale]

No usually grim batol cot

[trail bane]

Like pulling the 2 big cleave guys on the bridge onto a necromancer

[barren coral]

cot ilke final boss only no?

[south kayak]

JA CLAPPA

[hardy cargo]

cot has a ton of unavoidable damage

[trail bane]

Trash before 1st boss + 2nd boss + 3rd boss + 4th boss

[fallow minnow]

lmao funny thing

[trail bane]

They all require the healer to be really really on point

[fallow minnow]

i thought this is arms channel

sheesh

[trail bane]

And for people to use defensives

[south kayak]

before the clappa?

[fallow minnow]

ye

[barren coral]

grim batol is very chill now post nerfs, altough ive done +9 max on it

[trail bane]

Timer is still pretty tight and there are some rough packs

Last boss isnt nearly as deadly for the tank though

Which makes it a lot easier

But its one of those dungeons where 1 wipe will probably mean you dont time it (when playing at an apropriate level for your ilvl)

Because of the tight timer

[smoky vale]

Boralus is gimicky, Mists and dawn are free, ara kara is just doing 1st boss. Cot and dawnbreaker has a lot of constant damage. grim batol has dangerous packs. nw just has spear and 1st pull

[thick fossil]

City of threads needs a ton of kicks and poison removal.
Grim Batol isn't too horrible as long as people understand the challenges.
Stonevault is pretty rough, but I think that's cause there are some very nuanced mechanics.

[trail bane]

Grim Batol feels like it needs more aoe stuns and interupts than CoT

[thick fossil]

Like if the healer doesn't understand the dispell trick on the first boss. Or the boost orbs on golem. Twins just need a kick, and last boss just need to cycle portal dispel trick.

[trail bane]

Best trick for first boss in SV is to do 2-2-2 pillars

Instead of 3-3-0

Boss destroys any remaining pillars with his aoe after placing 2 sets of pillars

Spearing them out evenly is so much easier for the healer than taking 3 stacks on each set of pillars

[proud wedge]

What are y'all's impressions on this xpac start vs s1 DF? How's fury feeling these days?

[smoky vale]

getting nerfed

[trail bane]

Twin boss can quickly get rough if you dont have a range interrupt that knows to interrupt the caster after he jumps out of the box

[polar roost]

JA CLAPPA

[trail bane]

Imo it feels kinda the same, bad.

Our single target isnt very good, our aoe isnt very good. But now we have very good burst aoe - so we are getting nerfed.

If you remember crying as a fury warrior at the start of s1 of DF and then being happy after they buffed us. You will probably feel the same now.

We just need to wait for them to nerf us to the point where they dont feel our burst aoe is problematic and then they will hopefully buff our ST and sustain aoe

[rigid gate]

Yall think stat prio will change with thane buffs

[bitter palm]

no

[proud wedge]

I couldn't really follow rwf properly. Any reason why the liquid warriors blasted on that boss? Timings just lined up for aoe or what?

[trail bane]

There are adds that fury timings line up with

[frozen marten]

It’s just burst. Our burst is great, and that works in specific stages of the raid. The problem is our capped AoE stinks in dungeons and our single target is bulls$#t

[proud wedge]

you're telling me we're doing more in uncapped than in capped?

[eternal sundial]

endboss has adds that need to turbodie

fury does that

[frozen marten]

No, were capped at 8 (soon 5) which works in the raid but doesn’t play well in M+

Our sustained AoE is bad

[clever belfry]

softcapped

[proud wedge]

oh dang. Y'all play thane or slayer in m+?

[clever belfry]

Which means sqrt scaling on the cap past that point

dictated by
sqrt(#enemies hit / #target cap)

[smoky vale]

anda

how do i compute a sqrt

[sour frigate]

colossus

[smoky vale]

:3

[clever belfry]

Idk ask ur pc

Squareroot king lore

[proud wedge]

-> sqrt

[winter shoal]

Someone in here the other day was talking to Wallife and apparently echo only brought a second fury for rally, would've taken another enhance or fdk otherwise

[clever belfry]

low pickrate

[winter shoal]

But yeah that fights timers and damage profile play exactly into fury's strengths

[clever belfry]

sorry i griefed here,
its sqrt(#cap / #enemies hit)

this is the dmg you'd do to every target specifically

[smoky vale]

you lied to us

[clever belfry]

for cap = 8

for cap = 5

[smoky vale]

what software for those graphs

or just stole

[clever belfry]

just wolframalpha

[smoky vale]

we love wolfram

[proud wedge]

you can even make it on desmos :P

[clever belfry]

ive never in my life used desmos

but yes i asume you can just plot a graph

[smoky vale]

desmos is pretty broken

[clever belfry]

of sqrt(5/x) with x >= 5

cause the function would be

1 for x < 5, sqrt(5/x) for x >= 5

[proud wedge]

ya on desmos you can easily make graphs by typing eqs and travel anywhere on the graph :3

[clever belfry]

this is also very human input

[ripe tangle]

just got champ bis neck

[clever belfry]

i just tell thing what i want

[ripe tangle]

I am a happy camper

[clever belfry]

and thing give me

[smoky vale]

i love ai

[clever belfry]

this is not AI in the "modern" sense, as in a large language model

wolframalpha input has worked like this for ever ever

[smoky vale]

i mean it uses natural language so it has to be put in through key words no?

[clever belfry]

it uses some natural language processing for sure

but its not an LLM, that much i can guarantee you

[smoky vale]

nlp != ai?

[clever belfry]

thats why i put modern in quotes

[smoky vale]

ah

mb

[clever belfry]

many things people wouldnt consider AI is, by classical definition, AI

like a simple branch and bound algo

[smoky vale]

yeah

[clever belfry]

is AI

but who tf would call it that now lmao

[smoky vale]

sorry i didnt see modern

[clever belfry]

👍

we cleared it up i think

[bitter palm]

biggest buzzword of 21st century

[clever belfry]

totally wont blow

up

[proud wedge]

@bitter palm how'd you get that warrior brain emote ⁉️

[clever belfry]

it somehow overshadowed the whole web3 debacle xd

[smoky vale]

why is there just a massive vertical asymptote

[final birch]

He did math

[clever belfry]

@smoky vale

u need to cut it off

at the softcap

[smoky vale]

so 5?

[clever belfry]

and set it to 1 for smaller x

[proud wedge]

wait a sec... isn't that the 'posite of what we do?

[bitter palm]

i clapped

[clever belfry]

5 for post patch, 8 currently

[bitter palm]

clappa

[clever belfry]

[bitter palm]

JA CLAPPA

[proud wedge]

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1253376142111674378/piabuse-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[proud wedge]

you deserve the cheese

[proud wedge]

🧀

[clever belfry]

make ur guess

how he got the dent

[proud wedge]

lmfaoooooo

[bitter palm]

i copied the one philliarms sent 😡

[clever belfry]

oh no i leaked me bookmarks

fuckk!!!

[livid marsh]

now we know you wear thighhighs

[clever belfry]

i dont

but i own fox ears

👍

[bitter palm]

[eager thorn]

does thunder clap still give movespeed slow

[bitter palm]

y

[eager thorn]

JA CLAPPA

[proud wedge]

reporting to uni email

[grim wigeon]

with wclogs being down.. when do we press our stuff on fury ovinax mythic? every egg break? so save till then?

[clever belfry]

jgu mainz

hf

[proud wedge]

Dear jgu, anda wears thigh highs and fox ears. he a qt woyer. regards rox

[clever belfry]

i am not a thigh high user

unfortunately

maybe i shall buy some

[proud wedge]

oh yeah you're learning c++. not mastered it yet

[clever belfry]

im not really learning it

i was just having some issue and cbad for the day

so bookmarked the page

(its been solved but i havent removed it)

[proud wedge]

it's been a while since i came back to the discy. love seeing pillars like you still around @clever belfry

[bitter palm]

c++ assert failure = computer explosion

[clever belfry]

me when i managed to throw an exception in the CGAL msum core on a convexity check

[smoky vale]

i cant figure it out on desmos gg

[clever belfry]

this is the full lore in simc btw for OF

[smoky vale]

no using namespace std 😦

[clever belfry]

namespace pollution L

[smoky vale]

:: pollution L

i go nap

[winter shoal]

C++ is an L by default I think

[smoky vale]

night night

[bitter palm]

skill issue

@clever belfry drop c++ for rust if u want thigh highs

[winter shoal]

Real

[bitter palm]

[winter shoal]

Typescript is my one true god

I will not be hearing counter arguments

[clever belfry]

dunno how to scale axes seperately in desmos

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943906056483004547/943917451727474739/caption.gif

[smoky vale]

cant

also it was correct

just scale is wrong

cant zoom in to 1 without cutting off rest of graph

[clever belfry]

you can

top right 👍

then set the sizes manually

that will scale it

[smoky vale]

ah

i just havent looked before

gg

also desmos does 3D graphs

[clever belfry]

here is a comparison of total dmg

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/qEABgPoxYRj.gif

[clever belfry]

no sqrt, sqrt8, sqrt5

[smoky vale]

what is no sqrt

func

[clever belfry]

youd have to technically discretize this on full numbers

y = x

xd

[smoky vale]

ah

[clever belfry]

cause its linear on targets

xddd

[fresh zodiac]

Can anyone tell me with the new mountainthane build do we no longer use whirlwind because thunderclap refreshes our WW buff? and also why when i thunderclap do i lose my empowered bloodthirst from angermanagment?

[clever belfry]

we are normalizing the dmg of the ability to 1 for simplicity sake

[smoky vale]

wtf does descretize mean

still on calc 2

:3

[clever belfry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretization

you make it not round

basically

[warm crag]

noooooooooooooo

[clever belfry]

you make it minecraft

frfr

[smoky vale]

so you just want to make it easier to model

with some margin of error

[clever belfry]

not really

but in wow there is no

4.5 targets

there is 4 targets and 5 targets

[smoky vale]

ah

[clever belfry]

so the value of sqrt(5/5.5) doesnt bother us

[smoky vale]

only int(x)

[clever belfry]

basically

[smoky vale]

in sqrt(5/x)

etc

in target counts

so just casting in cases

[clever belfry]

so this models it better

but i think its much less nice to look at

[smoky vale]

how did you add the casting

[clever belfry]

floor inputs

[smoky vale]

[radiant plank]

wtf math in fury chat

this cant be

[clever belfry]

maybe theres a better way, but im no desmos man

[smoky vale]

i dont know

[clever belfry]

i do math for fun sometimes

im sorry

[smoky vale]

i only use desmos for surface level math classes

🙂

but its broken

[gleaming siren]

Need programming socks

[clever belfry]

okay what color

how about black+pink striped

[eternal sundial]

black and white is also very efficient

[clever belfry]

not a fan of b+w

[radiant plank]

BLack pink

[hardy cargo]

I have a set of r2d2 socks

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/jisoo-rosie-rose-chaesoo-heart-gif-19678344

[smoky vale]

https://aeb019.hosted.uark.edu/pplane.html now graph me the rate of changes of each function 🙂

[gleaming siren]

The correct answer is pink and white

the OG

[clever belfry]

yes i know

but im already too white

to wear two so bright colors!

[gleaming siren]

Okay black and red is also acceptable if you like that more

[eager thorn]

Ok dennis the menace

[gleaming siren]

Black pink also fine

[tulip swallow]

As long as it's striped any color works

[gleaming siren]

real

[bitter palm]

C goated

[clever belfry]

im too young for C

[bitter palm]

same

but i like it

does what i tell it to do and nothing else

useless for 99% of real world tasks

[smoky vale]

I first learned JS > Java > C > C++

[gleaming siren]

but I need my programming language to infer what I meant

[bitter palm]

man fuck js

[smoky vale]

and i hate c++ the most

so cancer

[bitter palm]

fuck frontend in general

[gleaming siren]

Holy L

[bitter palm]

fuck typescript

fuck node

[smoky vale]

mb i just wanted to learn to code on my own

[bitter palm]

golang for backend is goated

me when i need 19497534 frameworks for proper async

and in go u just type go <function>

and its async

[opaque lintel]

guys

what trinket is better for m+

[gleaming siren]

Transmitter

[bitter palm]

skarmorak idk

[smoky vale]

sim it

idk

[obtuse palm]

If rage allows it, should we do Rampage > Crushing Blow > Rampage > Crushing Blow > Bloodbath, wasting a BB proc?

[bitter palm]

yes

[clever belfry]

all my homies

[smoky vale]

yes

[clever belfry]

use python for everything

i use python as an interface to fast c libraries

like a true king

[smoky vale]

fuck python

[clever belfry]

GIL hater spotted

[bitter palm]

nah python is goated

[smoky vale]

okay i need to nap fr

[winged sail]

Isnt bloodbath > rampage if you are enraged?

[molten wing]

do you guys use transmitter in M+

[hard widget]

Ew

No

[radiant plank]

me when i dont care about dps

[inner zinc]

ive been using the mark of khardros in sync with my other 1.5min cds but with the affix it desyns a lot. Do I just proceed to use the trinket with OF/BS when they line up?

[molten wing]

i just replace my transmitter with mark of khardos so i can just pop it with reck and never think about other stuff

[feral iris]

Doesn't that make it completly braindead?

[radiant plank]

Trinket on reck

horror

[warm crag]

everyone that cares about inflicting damage with 15k more mainstat in their cds does

[molten wing]

well i'm probably not using it then

most of the big boys that do m+ mostly either run egg/mark or mark/shard

from what i can see

[warm crag]

might be an accessibility thing

[eager thorn]

I do yeah

For pushing it could prob be bad since it can spawn in bad places if you’re not careful

[warm crag]

popularity of it should go up as prog ends probably

[eager thorn]

But up to and including 10s its fine imo

[radiant plank]

hm 15k mainstat during my burst or 5k mastery

i wonder which one to pick

[warm crag]

only thing i see merit in is skarmorak but that depends on your routing

[forest owl]

somehow the pull where i kill zekvir ?? was the pull where he also got a heal off at 15% n went to 40 again, classic

[warm crag]

i inspected 2 people who i know are blasters and one straight up doesnt have it and the second only has a champ track one

[forest owl]

couldnt kill him when i was interupting, wait until i miss it then its dead apparently xD

[warm crag]

idk trying to determine meta from what people have 2 weeks into prog is a bit silly give it a bit more time if you want empirical data

[eager thorn]

Transmitter doesn’t give main stat tho on equip

[steady imp]

yo is there any info on single minded?

[eager thorn]

Meaning its weaker out of usage

[warm crag]

its bad, drop a point in bloodcraze if you want the talent

[eager thorn]

Like 5% dps loss, viable but you are shooting yourself in the foot

[warm crag]

swap loot spec arms if you wanna be optimal

[steady imp]

ty lads

[feral ivy]

whats that site that tells u what keys u need to do to get a certain i.o and gives u multiple options

[golden hare]

mythicplanner

[warm crag]

noted ty

[modest condor]

better get timing those 25s

[warm crag]

working on it

i will hit 3800 rating

[golden hare]

how have you not timed +25 stonevault yet??

[warm crag]

need some more gear from raid for it

[static ridge]

do i want crit haste haste mastery for fury warrior

[warm crag]

idk sim it

[static ridge]

ok

[feral ivy]

tyty

[static ridge]

where is critcake

i miss him

[golden hare]

gripping

and breathing heavily

[humble plover]

Sadge

Crit was my hero. Now I'm gonna have to settle for silm

What a world

[eternal sundial]

Silm rerolled rogue

Chae is called silmshady

[humble plover]

Oh no

[eager thorn]

Dont worry i will never betray you and the other fury warriors

If you can get over me being a random i will be your hero

[static ridge]

what would my opener be ?

[humble plover]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-crying-sad-gif-15286789

[mossy fox]

critcake is dead

there is only gripcake

[frozen marten]

Maybe if everyone abandons the spec Blizz will stop @$&%ing us

[static ridge]

omg critcake my man

how are you

[humble plover]

Nooooo

[mossy fox]

my raid group will have to make do without battle shout

[eager thorn]

Can you not just join raid battle shout and leave?

Or does it dispell it

[static ridge]

critcake will you do raid or m+ today on twitch

[eager thorn]

Storm bolt on f is based

[humble plover]

Cake will be back. Always does

[warm crag]

f for fstormbolt

[static ridge]

based ?

[eager thorn]

F for frow hammer

Also @static ridge this has good info for rotations/openers https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[static ridge]

So for fresh 80 for world quest content and herioc duegeon what talent do i want to go as

[eager thorn]

Prob slayer

But could try thane if its gonna be more popular on reset

[restive peak]

Read the guide and it'll answer all of that, but you could play literally anything for those and be ok

[static ridge]

is it worth to craft weapon or bracer first

[eager thorn]

Weapon

If you check out the wowhead guides they have a lot of the base info

[static ridge]

dosnt weapon cost 2 spark ?

[eager thorn]

Or #dps-faq

Yeah it does

But you should be able to get 2 with catchup

[static ridge]

i am fresh 80 i dont know how to get 4 x spark thingy to get 2 spark

[eager thorn]

I think doing any max lvl content can award it, so raids m+, maybe delves and heroic dgs but not sure on those

[cursive sierra]

correct

[radiant plank]

@eternal sundial WE LOVE SHITTING BRICKS

[warm crag]

philliam

[golden hare]

he is so handsome

[eager thorn]

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they need to patch in another way to acquire gilded crests. There is a ton of people hard capped at 619 that are not good enough/geared enough realistically to do +9s no deplete or the last 2 on heroic.

Big part of the player base is losing motivation.

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 5:32 AM

[dry hawk]

Hmmm

[humble plover]

Max spittin

[dry hawk]

While he's not wrong the only other place to put it at the moment is delves

[eager thorn]

+8s

[velvet hamlet]

just to say: you guys helped me boost my dps up by 20% giving me advice when i asked. Just wanted to say thank you all!

[humble plover]

Stay big!

[eager thorn]

Glad to hear that man

[dry hawk]

Zugzug

[eager thorn]

Keep it up gamer

[dry hawk]

This should have maybe been vers/mas

But I'm not mad

[mild iris]

Any sample thane m+ builds to watch out for next week? Not sure if we going AM in thane

[narrow narwhal]

wowhead fury guide has builds

[mild iris]

Sure, I'm aware, just wondering whether the nerfs/buffs impact those

[narrow narwhal]

#updates-midnight

[eager thorn]

Will obv matter on stats but for me p much all the combos i simmed were close enough together to not matter what i chose

[edgy widget]

don't think I agree with this; for one thing you can deplete 9s and still get crests

[eternal sundial]

RAAAHH (mythic tier chest kinda works for the mog..)

[delicate yacht]

Don't you get reduced crests

[alpine flame]

which talent reduce the cooldown of Bladestorm?

[warm crag]

slayer

[edgy widget]

yes, but you still get them

[warm crag]

specifically unrelenting onslaught

[alpine flame]

ahh

ty

[untold yacht]

is it even worth it to snipe adds with cd's during court boss?

or just zug zug on cd

[left elk]

Can get gilded from treasure maps XD...But only 2

[willow cradle]

You can Top Gear sim to see if changing the stats on it is actually worth it if you're unsure

[radiant plank]

ACtualy does holymoly

[edgy widget]

Yeah I tried the mythic tier chest for jugg shoulders/helm too, works pretty well

one of the sepulcher pvp tints also works, though the color is slightly off

[fickle bluff]

just thought, what if instead reap gave ww stacks

[willow cradle]

The Sepulchre set is kinda hard to fit in mogs, the texture and blockyness makes it hard imo

[vale dove]

Ain't no one inviting guys that fail lots of 9s to keys though

[edgy widget]

not necessarily true, but the statement he made was "not good enough to do +9s no deplete" which... isn't really the important part

[errant vessel]

does it make sense going AM for Ovinax mythic or is it just for unethical pad?

[edgy widget]

It makes sense if your group is lacking multitarget damage; if you have heavy multitarget and are just trying to kill adds before other people do, yeah that's kinda pad

[vale dove]

It's only unethical is your lacking aoe and parasites aren't dieing

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's more or less what I was going for, Reap is already an insta-ww

[runic violet]

+9 or higher feels way too stressful to pug...

[untold yacht]

guys is it even worth aoe raid build for hc when so much dies quick now? or just ST apart from brood, e.g. is council worth the WW build?

[runic violet]

I think Im exhauted out of the season

[errant vessel]

anything above 1 target is worth to go WW

[edgy widget]

well, it's worth going OF; whether or not you take WW kinda depends

[vale dove]

Sure, but people not good enough to time 9s will be hard stuck 5 gilded per clear they gonna hard quit way before

[edgy widget]

like if you really wanna min/max, you don't need Imp WW/MC for Rasha'nan

[vale dove]

Not to mention most people will just quit the key if it's going bad

Instead of fi ish

[runic violet]

if no one leaves

[edgy widget]

frankly, if they're not good enough to time 9s, they don't deserve as much reward as everyone else, but the point remains - they are able to make incremental gains, and if you deplete enough 9s you're eventually going to learn to time them

[vale dove]

Was it +16s in dragonflight that gave aspects?

[eager thorn]

I think if punishments were a bit more chill with things like death timers or how many crests you lose for depleting it wouldn’t feel so bad

[untold yacht]

but for hc court boss, is it worth to hold cd's for adds to spawn or zug zug on cd? considering I will take WW

[static nest]

least padding avanoxx pug fury

[edgy widget]

and this is also a contrary statement - clearly they're not invested in those rewards if they're leaving due to not timing instead of finishing for those rewards

[untold yacht]

silken court

[tribal flint]

I get your point but I think a group should be allowed to wipe once

[edgy widget]

most keys can still be timed with a wipe on 9

[vale dove]

I mean the 15s death penaltys a totally different issue

[edgy widget]

but I agree, some of the timers are pretty tight

[vale dove]

Way too high of a number imo

5s per death was fine imo

You wipe in SV and it's basically dead key

[edgy widget]

personally, I like the death penalty - it encourages cleaner play, less death skips, and less "just pull everything and zerg it down" strats
that said, yeah I agree that it's too tight for pugs, and so it should probably kick in later then 7

[eager thorn]

I think one of my issues with where rewards are situated is how easy it was to get max hero gear

[vale dove]

It kicking when the seasonal affix disappears seems fine

[eager thorn]

Cos it feels like a huge curve to go from getting hero very easily to then getting myth

[edgy widget]

also the seasonal affixes are all over the place

week 1 and 2 were fine (after some fixes), this week's affix just eats time off your key

[vale dove]

Yr and can spawn at silly times

[tribal flint]

Week 2 was trash when the balls spawned on other mobs

[vale dove]

Like dawn breaker 3rd boss

[golden hare]

at least it's playable after the hotfix revert

[runic violet]

lmao... boralus last boss orbs..

[humble plover]

This affix also has disconnected me a cpl times

[edgy widget]

in fairness, they fixed a lot of that, but missing a ball or two isn't the end of the world

[runic violet]

those ball started swimming across the ocean lol

[edgy widget]

Yeah; to their credit, they fixed that pretty quick though

[tribal flint]

true

[eager thorn]

Tbf thats not an affix issue moreso a game issue

[vale dove]

Not to mention this weeks affix CDR desyncs trinkets so feels like shit

[runic violet]

One time I used heroic leap to clear one.

[edgy widget]

Yeah, just like every other CDR affix, it's pretty garbo

[runic violet]

a slight jump

[eager thorn]

I wonder why they chose to not have it work on trinkets

[edgy widget]

they didn't; items and spells are just handled differently; CDR effects like that have never affected items

[eager thorn]

Ah okay

[tribal flint]

I think they will change things up a lot. I think it’s not a huge deal, but way too many players are being gatekept. 9s are hard as fuck. And you need a ton of them done. I agree that it’s challenging content. But it’s too challenging when 90% of the player base simply can’t do it

[eternal sundial]

Ive been rockig s1 df normal + mythic tier chest

Feels clean

[vale dove]

Personally I think removing the death timers and starting gilded rewards from 8+ would be a good change and maybe scale how many gilded crests you get per key level

Not remove em just reduce it back to 5s

[eager thorn]

Tbh i dont fully mind s1 being a bit scuffed considering they’re trying out a lot of new stuff

[vale dove]

And maybe add them back to 15 at 12s

[eager thorn]

As long as going forward they listen to feedback people have provided

[vale dove]

🤔 What's feedback

[eager thorn]

Wdym

Its just like how people perceive the systems and their thoughts on what is good/bad

[vale dove]

I know was jus being sarcastic

Blizz don't like to listen much to that

Or disagree with it

[eager thorn]

I think they do considering some classes complain and get changes due to it

I just try to not be doomer and have faith they will do good stuff

[old ore]

So is mountain thane the play now for cleave?

[vale dove]

Not till patch and probably only in higher keys where mobs live longer

[keen kindle]

having faith in blizzard?

[supple cape]

If Beefcake-Proudmore is in here: know you're garbage for leaving the key.

[edgy widget]

not saying blizz always makes good decisions, but there are multiple angles to everything - feedback will always be "make it easier/faster/more rewarding, though clearly Blizz wanted M+ to be harder to complete and gear through this expansion

Did they perhaps turn the dial too far in that direction? Maybe, and perhaps it could be dialed back while still being more challenging than DF

[barren coral]

how hard is nerubar compared to other launch raids from the past?

the desc im seeing on LFG seems like everybody lost their mind

[proud leaf]

not bad imo

heroic queen is HEAVY on personal responsibility

and if you fuck up in p1 you basically have to reset

other than that the raid is pretty chill

[violet moss]

Ahh yes F.E.A.R.
Awesome game series

You an OG, respect

[proud leaf]

the bolter gun in fear was insane tech for the times

[barren coral]

princess and the first 4 are genuine 1 shots i have no clue how people fuck up there

brood i only hate because of the visual clutter but also piss easy

about to do silken and queen

[eager thorn]

This was in the replies for some stats

[barren coral]

havent played DF :/

[opaque solstice]

anyone got a link for moutain thane anger management build?

[barren coral]

i did AOTC uldir and CN

and i fucking loved them

well, uldir a bit less so

[proud leaf]

that's a thing?

[molten wing]

Fyrakk was pretty easy even for pugs

[opaque solstice]

ppl saying it will be viable with new buffs to thane

wanted to try run it before hand to get used to it

[barren coral]

also TWW is a much bigger xpac than DF based on instances played

[left elk]

Fryakk was harder for pugs than scalecommander tho

[barren coral]

so 3k vs 3.8k is much bigger of a gap than we assume

[sour frigate]

most of df bosses were literally dummies

[vale dove]

Ye I agree I think they tuned a few of the dungeons too high personally but I don't dislike the difficulty although I also think any key below a 7 doesn't feel rewarding at all due to Delves

[barren coral]

it took me 5 hours to pug princess kyveza and genuinely lost all my respect for human beings in the process

this fight has no mechanics, 0

how can you fuck up

[opaque solstice]

dang nobody got one of those builds then

[molten wing]

i mostly pugged in DF and most of the time spend wiping in Amirdrassil was on Heroic Smolderon compared to any other HC boss there

well release Amirdrassil eventually it was doable with gear carrying

[barren coral]

in like 20 pulls of kyveza, i have never fucked up a portal, never died to a portal, never killed half my raid with bombs, and i just dont fucking move when im targeted during night dance

[gusty fern]

using bladestorm

[warm crag]

itd be impressive if you fucked up a portal placement

[barren coral]

thats what ive repeated teh whole fucking day

they have 0 suction

[warm crag]

(melee dont get that mechanic)

[barren coral]

ive got no clue how anybody can die to it

like i guess i could try doing it

if i stop holding W

if u dont have AOTC or at least 7/8 the pugs that accept you are all mouthbreathers

one of the guys ive played with today will be engraved into my brain until i die

because he needed 12 minutes to reach the boss room

and got kicked before he could do it

because how the fuck you expect anyone to give you a chance if u cant enter the boss area

[eager thorn]

the clone dashes place portals dont they?

[barren coral]

oh thats what he meant

the dashes are whats important

id be impressive to fuck up aoe portals as any class really

[warm crag]

y but thats a different mechanic

dont think exact placement matters much in hc as long as its not all on the same side

[humble plover]

Does dying to portal suck count if you feel asleep?

[barren coral]

if you put 3 portals all stacked together and 1 anywhere else, not even opposite side

you live by holding W

you NEED to be locked out of the raid for the week if you die on this

[feral ivy]

damn u cant see some specs holy crap

[barren coral]

keys so hard makes people play the furry dragons

if this doesnt scream nerfs needed idk what does

[modest condor]

dragons are scaly not furry smh my head

[iron portal]

rip in peace

[left elk]

Okay but the restoration shamans XD

[modest condor]

better nerf holy pally some more

[eager thorn]

just remove healer specs

and add brann to all pve content

[verbal dragon]

whats the min crit % we want before pressing bloodbath?

[edgy widget]

0

[verbal dragon]

0?

[barren coral]

give me follower raids with 14 branns

[frail trout]

I'm ready to be disillusioned by my first mountain thane key on reset

[humble plover]

You don't care what crit you're at

[frail trout]

and go back to regularly scheduled slayer programming

[barren coral]

think only pvp cares about crit

[verbal dragon]

ah

[verbal dragon]

so just press it ?

[lean wasp]

i just figured out how intervene works 🙂

[left elk]

DONT STAND THERE!

[barren coral]

all 14 of them in unison

[left elk]

14 times would be a nightmare

[humble plover]

It's less prio than crushing blow but yea

[lean wasp]

do not use intervene on tank people

[humble plover]

Could you elaborate on why?

[verbal dragon]

ah

[normal bane]

is there any value in AM in lower keys

to have cds up more often for each pack since when you pop everything stuff dies in 2 seconds then you afk for 1:30

[hardy cargo]

still need uptime for am to work

pop cds -> stuff dead means u still have 1.5m cds

u can obv try it, but I personally dont like playing it in anything where stuff dies quick, same with arms

[dry hawk]

am Thane build lol?

[normal bane]

is there some bladestorm bug

where it just won't let me hit the buttonb

[dry hawk]

Is it actually off of cd?

[normal bane]

yea

[dry hawk]

[left elk]

Is it in a macro?

[normal bane]

no

[left elk]

Press button harder?

[modest condor]

havent heard of a bug like that

[humble plover]

Strange question but it's possible. Is it talented?

[astral root]

Yea. Cause i just got done in a key, and BS was fine

[normal bane]

its only in keys

[inner shadow]

Does this buff double the the increase i get from ascendance?

[normal bane]

maybe something with affix

[humble plover]

Yes

[astral root]

you might have a WA thats activating while in Keys thats restricting you

[inner shadow]

Should I craft some piece?
Like a cloak or waist and add that buff to it?

Or a hand piece like he did here.. what’s the worse set piece in terms of stats?

[astral root]

I think wrists is the play?

[humble plover]

I think most people are just crafting it on a low budget item that they didn't loot a good item for already, like I got good wrists so I made it on my cloak

[astral root]

i have mine on my wrists

[inner shadow]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Zenjutsu

Which piece should i craft it for?

[astral root]

Cloak or Wrists. Your choice.

both are same ilvl/stats, so neither is superior to the other

[humble plover]

Yeah, I'd say your gear is low enough that you can kind of put it wherever you want. Ideally one of those two spots thaimuz said. You don't have any crazy nice items restricting you atm

[inner shadow]

Okay do I sim which stats to put

Or just go with haste mast normal?

[astral root]

It'll either be Haste Mast or Haste Vers, from what i know

[eager thorn]

sim it

[astral root]

but for now, you are prolly gonna craft at a low enough ilvl that it wont particularly matter terribly much

[eager thorn]

my weapon simmed higher with crit/haste than other stats

[median dust]

I did cloak but ended up getting the raid cloak. So kinda screwed myself 😂

[astral root]

once you craft it at max ilvl, thats when i think the sim will matter a bit more

[astral root]

RIP

[inner shadow]

Yeah

So for 618

[astral root]

it be that way sometimes, you know

[inner shadow]

619 is alright

You can always upgrade to 636 without using new sparks right?

You just put the enchanted gilded crest

And mats obvs.

[humble plover]

Yes

Recraft also takes artisan acuity for some reason but as long as you have some profession progress it'll be fine

[inner shadow]

I’ll make order

I use no professions 🦦

oh and last question sorry

[humble plover]

Get one, even if it's just like a gathering one

[inner shadow]

Can i change the stats of crafted weapon?

[humble plover]

Yes, but it's a recraft

[inner shadow]

I have enchant/disenchant 🦦

[inner shadow]

And it costs mats and the missive, no sparks no enchant correct?

[humble plover]

Correct

[inner shadow]

Ok sweet, imma just craft wrist

And play it that way

Farm m+

Next week depending what i get

[humble plover]

Get after it Chief

[inner shadow]

I transform 2 gear pieces into set pieces

[inner shadow]

It doesnt rly matter tho

Cuz bis wrist is the embelished ones tho

[humble plover]

In a perfect world that seems to be true

[eager thorn]

respect for taking a photo instead of ssing

[inner shadow]

Not me looking at bis gear at worm

Work

Im at work bruv

[eager thorn]

hey i said i respect it

[inner shadow]

🦦

[humble plover]

Me too. Stay on that grind

[clever escarp]

bro is cooking plans for the freetime xD

[quick schooner]

Guys i remember long time ago that i saw Weakaura that assgin who should inturapt which mark

so we dont overlap on our inturapt

any one know about it

[odd star]

inturapt

[inner shadow]

Interrapt

Interopt

Thats how you read it

[quick schooner]

yes interrapt

[odd star]

unterept

[quick schooner]

interrupt

[inner shadow]

🦦

[eager thorn]

i dont use an interrupt weakaura i just kick what i can and cry when someone kicks smth im tryna spell reflect

[inner shadow]

The liar and the witch and the audacity of this bitch

[inner shadow]

Same

[quick schooner]

hahahhaha that happen all the time i need to fix that the weakaura i saw it was last exapnsion it was amazing

cant find it

[astral root]

Also make sure to get up to KSM, so you can buy a Tier piece. i would wait to spend it, however, until you open vault and clear raid, so you dont buy a tier piece you earn thru either throughout the week

[inner shadow]

Yes thats what i said earlier

I wait for vault

Then use both ksm

[eager thorn]

might get an answer in #ui-addons-manager

will prob get drowned out here in like 5 mins

[inner shadow]

Cuz in any shape or way
If i dont get legs in vault
Imma just switch that 100% first

Cuz it has bis stats

[quick schooner]

i will try to find the video

[agile crystal]

Can you enchant both your weps with the same enchant?

Or do i need to do 1 with depths and 1 with radiant power

[clever escarp]

yes

[agile crystal]

ok nice

[clever escarp]

you need 2 entchants but can be the same one

[eager thorn]

yes and you do use the same enchant for both weps

[agile crystal]

ye

[clever escarp]

example 2 times radiant

[agile crystal]

depths is best tho ye?

[clever escarp]

in raid as i heard

ye

sim it

[quick schooner]

is it allowed to link a video in here ?

[edgy widget]

depends on what

[quick schooner]

+23 WORLD FIRST The Azure Vault TGP 202 video

[rotund ginkgo]

still dying to melee

._.

[quick schooner]

there is a weekaura that i want

but dont know the name

[rotund ginkgo]

on ovinax

[clever escarp]

based

[quick schooner]

basicly what it dose it show the timeline of incoming cast with the mark of the mops so you know that Star marked mop is casting in 1-2 sec and can assign who inturapt it

it easier to track and assign inturapt on spell

it look amazing

i want that

XD

[rotund ginkgo]

isnt it just m+ mob casting

or sth

[quick schooner]

i will put a picture

[barren coral]

am i missing something or is arms rota somehow even easier than fury

[tulip swallow]

They've been about the same dififculty for a while now tbh

[quick schooner]

i dont know i dont play WOW much

that why i am asking here so i can get help

this one

[radiant plank]

Thats just

a mob cd tracker

[quick schooner]

amazing it is weekaura right ?

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

[stable pewter]

why do people play brutal finish overculling cyclone on broodtwister?

[quick schooner]

do we have mob cd tracker in this season i only find last expansion versions

[rotund ginkgo]

forgot what its called

but yeah what ur seeing is from dragonflight

[sullen dove]

cuz BF is more aoe

especially after cyclone gets nerfed on tuesday

[opaque solstice]

anyone got any anger management m+ builds?

i love the playstyle

[upbeat plume]

I mean, everything is literally the same just switch ra and am

[versed palm]

i got 2.1k rio score 616 ilvl, dont even get invited to 7+ keys 😦

purple parsing on every dungeon, is warriors just that hated

[eager thorn]

no there are like 100dps signing up to every key

[summer quail]

wait til reset, AM will be the play

[rotund ginkgo]

i dont get it

im literally

only clickign roar

and i get aggro

on ovinax

[stable pewter]

ok thanks

[stable pewter]

i feel you

[normal bane]

do roots count as movement impairing effects, like last boss in city of threads

[rotund ginkgo]

@stable pewter fdk got timelessness

[rotund ginkgo]

mine hit me for 6.3 twiec :3

[sullen dove]

i dont think ppl rly use DOI like.. ever

wrath and fury should still be a lot better even if AM

[inner shadow]

What is the talent that reduces bladestorm cooldown???

[nocturne dragon]

I think so? can avatar out of it too. since probably you will use the spell reflect for the splice.

[inner shadow]

There’s something which reduces its cd and its eating my mind i cant find it

Sometimes my bladestorm comes back faster? Or am i tripping

[modest condor]

one of the slayer talents

[nocturne dragon]

there is something in the final slayer talent.

you should read it.

or if you want to come back even faster then go anger management.

[eternal sundial]

relentless persuit thingy

choicenode

to clear snares

[inner shadow]

Sweet thank you

[rotund ginkgo]

last slayer talent

[inner shadow]

Its the only talents

[rotund ginkgo]

unrelenting onslaught

[inner shadow]

tree

I didnt read

🦦

I forget theres that tree

[rotund ginkgo]

thats for charge

he said bladestorm

[nocturne dragon]

it's ok we all have here including me

[rotund ginkgo]

philliam

u baboon

[eternal sundial]

diff question

[rotund ginkgo]

i see i see

mb

also

[eternal sundial]

guy a asks for root thing

[rotund ginkgo]

ur mom

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[eternal sundial]

🪞

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

brb ovinax pull no. 1359

[inner shadow]

And for bloodthrist
at what % do you cast it?

[eternal sundial]

gl

[inner shadow]

3-5 stacks?

[nocturne dragon]

there is no % just follow the rotation

this is not DF with the S2 set anymore.

[inner shadow]

i do i was curious to ask maybe im missing something

The bloodcraze

Buff

[eternal sundial]

basically it has higher prio than cb (in st) if the next cb would overcap crit

otherwise always cb>bb

[inner shadow]

I rarely use bt tbh unless i got nothing

[eternal sundial]

so if u dont care to track crit % fully ignore that

BT is dogshit ye

but BB is fine

[inner shadow]

And i mean bt bloodthrist not bloodbath

Yeah

Bloodbath is aight

You tend to rampage cb BB rampage cb

[eternal sundial]

you should milk your enrage more

[inner shadow]

Thats what most of my rotation looks like kek

[eternal sundial]

with some rbs

[inner shadow]

well if i dont got rampage

I use more rb

[eternal sundial]

as long as ur enraged and wont rage cap

[inner shadow]

Yeah

[eternal sundial]

keep generating until you need to refresh enrage

even if you can rampage

[inner shadow]

thats what i do yeah

Well depends

If i got 100 rage and 1 cb is aight

I can use cb then rampage

[eternal sundial]

ye

cuz ur at like 112+melee swing rage

at which point you can ramp

but if ur at like 80 u just keep rbin

[inner shadow]

Thing is

I dont wanna rb too much

I tend to keep like one

[rotund ginkgo]

some1 died and we missed egg

[inner shadow]

Cuz if i rampage then my rb is on cd

[rotund ginkgo]

._.

[radiant plank]

milk DN

[rotund ginkgo]

so, the usual

[inner shadow]

And i got only BB

[rotund ginkgo]

WALHE

LANGUAGE

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-avengers-gif-14328153

[eternal sundial]

read hack n slash

[sullen dove]

did you just do that

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[eager thorn]

yes

[rotund ginkgo]

thats a copy pasta right there

[sullen dove]

over the last 15 minutes

[eager thorn]

i did indeed

prob more effort than it was worth

[eternal sundial]

@river reef is time

[rotund ginkgo]

i fuck with it

[eager thorn]

but gave me a giggle

[rotund ginkgo]

ty mud

appreciated

[eternal sundial]

we go and use ur map

[eager thorn]

np

if i had photoshop and wasnt using some ass online editor id have put more effort in but low effort memes kinda vibe

[rotund ginkgo]

2.1k rio is literally full 7s with like one 8, when people at 2.4+ apply to 7s for gear

[inner shadow]

I forgor

Mb

[weary sail]

Dont take it personal. There are like 50 DPS for 1 tank

[rotund ginkgo]

take it personal

whisp the keyholder and flame him

then /ignore

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[pliant jackal]

you know i can see why i never can get invited into grims

[eternal sundial]

if u need gear from 7s ur bad ()

[rotund ginkgo]

ur so real queen

[pliant jackal]

when you start a group the whole avengers show up

for grim

[rotund ginkgo]

grim buttholes has so many people

its wild

and all of them are going to ninja a lavabender patrol ❤️

[weary sail]

Im doing +8s and there are 2500 io and 622 people signing up

[pliant jackal]

yea i know its crazyt

[eager thorn]

ye i've been applying to 7 gbs as 623 ilvl 2465 io

so if ur below that dont try to get into grim batol fellas

[weary sail]

Make friends. Be social. Make ur own groups. Or suffer the DPS pug life

[pliant jackal]

I nearly 3 chested a grim yesterday

[eager thorn]

the spot is mine

[eternal sundial]

623 ur so pisslow

[pliant jackal]

then there are dungeons that nobody wants to do

like dawn and stonevault for some reason

[eager thorn]

:(

sometimes you dont gotta say it how it is man

[pliant jackal]

didn't have issues getting into them

[eager thorn]

idt nobody wants to do dawnbringer is correct

[calm quartz]

616 ret getting invited to keys, ama

[eager thorn]

its like a free key

sv is a rough one though so its understandable

[pliant jackal]

the amount of times a bad tank bricked a dawn

is wild

[south kayak]

I hate dawn

The orb boss

[pliant jackal]

its a easy dungeon but either tank or dps doesn't position and wipe us

[south kayak]

Yeah it’s fine otherwise

[pliant jackal]

i rather do a stonevault

but stonevault has its own set of issues with bad players

[swift citrus]

Skyterror Corrosive Organ in combo with Ansurek ring...is that something powerfull?

[south kayak]

Siege is so easy if you have 2 dispels

For last boss

[pliant jackal]

yea seige is easy but nobody likes seige