fury

[iron portal]

He cleaved execute from spider so it clears stacks on main target

[warm crag]

dont have to be a pedantic ass im asking a valid question

[static nest]

even if clears stacks on main target its not giving me cdr

not on dummies at least

[clever belfry]

??? it never mentions mfe on offtarget

[bitter palm]

JA CLAPPA

on ovinax

gonna go hard

[clever belfry]

This is why I'm telling u to read again

[warm crag]

okay i clicked reply on you because i want your input on this

my bad next time i will ping you instead

[frigid zealot]

NOOOO

[warm crag]

sorry for not using proper discord etiquette

[clever belfry]

I have no clue what you're on about

[warm crag]

the vague topic that is being discussed rn is whether you can ww cleave an execute to consume mfe stacks on several targets

my question is how you even get to this point

[frigid zealot]

at least for me target swapping to kick something then just not swapping back will be like 95% the use case of the wasted stacks

[oblique trail]

It might override it then if you execute a target that has stacks on it already

[warm crag]

with how frenzy works you really dont wanna maintarget more than 1 thing anyways

[oblique trail]

I've not run into this issue however because I just have focus kicks and don't swap

[static nest]

i have focus kicks too

but you have to target swap sometimes

[oblique trail]

Not very often

[clever belfry]

oh so the issue is you have
mfe 1 on main, mfe 1 on off
you exe, only get 5s cdr?

[static nest]

also if i exe dummy with 0 stacks

and 2 cleaved dummies have stacks

i get 0 cdr

im p sure

[warm crag]

ye can confirm you can consume mfe stacks without getitng the cdr

[static nest]

right i thought so

good to know im not going schizo for now

[iron portal]

I think it is intended

[static nest]

thats what i said originally

[warm crag]

yeah my bad for earlier you were right

[static nest]

:3

all good

[warm crag]

however this really is a non issue since you're misplaying anyways if this happens

[clever belfry]

I do not think its intended

[warm crag]

im gonna trim down a clip gimme a sec

[iron portal]

Might have been weird way of blizz preventing some big cdr shenanigans

Idk

[warm crag]

100% not intended

[clever belfry]

But i for sure cdrd cleaving to my MT from off gives cdr...

[warm crag]

my plater doesnt show overwhelmed stacks idk if thats still applying

[clever belfry]

unfilter it

[warm crag]

i will consider this

[static nest]

not exactly misplaying

[warm crag]

i will instead turn off plater

[static nest]

any time you have to swap targets or your target dies youre susceptible to losing bs cdr randomly and theres nothing you can do about it

its just ass

i wish they changed this to something we can control more

[clever belfry]

If your target dies

[warm crag]

i mean your target dying with MFE stacks up is just built into the gameplay loop

[clever belfry]

youre losing cdr regardless

[warm crag]

its your job to get that last execute in

[static nest]

yeah and that sucks

[clever belfry]

unless u snipe exe

I mean just press exe on low hp

i dont think this is a real issue

removed frenzy

[static nest]

its just annoying to play around

im not saying its gamebreaking

im just not a fan of half uncontrollable cdr

[warm crag]

warrior has always had to deal with effects where you dont want your enemy to actually die

[oblique trail]

I can't say I relate to it being annoying in that sense, for I've not even paid attention to it once all of S1

[dire badge]

:toobased:

[oblique trail]

Only time I've felt the need to swap target mid pull is for something like the current weeks affix (when it was giga buffed)

[warm crag]

doesnt apply them either

[clever belfry]

king game

[oblique trail]

Or if I just forget who I main targeted in Stonevault when the shield chargers go to Africa because of shit baits

[warm crag]

ok but like the one instance you can find as an example is literally always executable so you dont even lose mfe value

[clever belfry]

similar issue to the arcane mage thing then

[errant vessel]

idk I find that slayer strikes just hit random cleave targets every once in a while

and not a rare thing either

[clever belfry]

where its not all target, but just target, where the proper script is executed

[clever belfry]

not a thing

[oblique trail]

This is true

[errant vessel]

it is, but I don't know why it happens

[oblique trail]

Does not make it less valid!

[warm crag]

i think sidearm might trigger it

[errant vessel]

ye thought about that as well

[clever belfry]

arms ans legs

unspec arms

[static nest]

it is a thing

idk if its sidearm but it is a thing

[warm crag]

sidearm is yellow numbers

[clever belfry]

All cleaved abilities are yellow...

[warm crag]

wtf!!!

im just autoattacking dummies ill see if thats it

[clever belfry]

He do be attackuh

[warm crag]

ara kara putting an egg on my back super col

ive been hitting dummies for am inute and it has not mfe'd once

[modern gull]

wait did they buff mountain thane, will it be better than slayer now ?

[thick fossil]

#updates-midnight message

[errant vessel]

mfe'd at all or just not on secondary target

[warm crag]

autoattack and at all

[orchid dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[errant vessel]

that's actually giga scuffed if it only procs on yellow dam

[warm crag]

i just had it happen

[warm crag]

yellow dam just signifies non auto attack damage

its not relevant here it was mostly a classic jokus

[orchid dagger]

I mean, it's a good visual indicator if you are looking for "does this proc on AAs"

[warm crag]

is it reap the storm??

sec im cutting the clip down

[errant vessel]

I'm hitting dummy as well and it seems to proc instantly after using a spell

not when just autoing

[warm crag]

i mean yeah go read what slayer's dominance does

[pale lava]

MFE is only on abilities

iirc

[oblique trail]

Meow :3

[errant vessel]

"attacks"

[clever belfry]

SMF NERF WTF

aas should proc it!!!

[clever belfry]

smf. on. TOP!!!

[warm crag]

idk heavily implied to be spells

[clever belfry]

auto ATTACKS

its in sa name!!

[warm crag]

true

[errant vessel]

usually it says abilities when that is the case no?

[clever belfry]

correct

some stuff also says attacks and abilities

[errant vessel]

I've been bamboozled

[warm crag]

i was casting ww while that one happened but simply spamming ww does not cause any mfes at all

[craggy quiver]

I just realised i played from 70-80 with onehanded weapons 🙃

[warm crag]

not the worst thing you can do

swap your lootspec to arms tho

[dim cloud]

authority of radiant power sims higher than deeps on MT but i see all the m+ players with authority of the deeps what gives?

[warm crag]

most of them probably raid

[heavy dock]

What does mt even stand for

[static nest]

aoe

[heavy dock]

I only think of main target

[next ruin]

Any mountain thane sim with the hot fix?

[warm crag]

probably multi target

[static nest]

yeah it's multi

[warm crag]

idk check #updates-midnight

[heavy dock]

Fair i see

[next ruin]

Thank you Spongie

[errant vessel]

I wonder if it procs on your main target if you mouseover cast another target or if it hits the same target as you mouseover

[warm crag]

should hit the mouseover target

[errant vessel]

Ye but spaghetti

[tidal willow]

I don't wanna be an electricty guy, I'm no wizard

[heavy dock]

Tbh i really like slayer strike sounds

Thane is cool but i feel it doesnt fit fury that much

[errant vessel]

I can’t hear it over the sound of my laptop fan anyway

[warm crag]

warr hero talent sound design is pretty good

[shell folio]

hey bois was thinking to change from arms to fury but with all the changes is it worth learning fury or should i stick with arms ?? ( btw i hate demo arms )

[errant vessel]

if you find it more fun it's worth it ye

[low folio]

anyone got a recommendation for a m+ mountaint thane build

[zealous whale]

does anyone here macro avatar thunderous roar and recklessness together or is it more beneficial to have on separate binds

[graceful trellis]

tried both , fury rotation was more enjoyable to me

[narrow narwhal]

I have a bind for reck + avatar + on-use trinket and a separate key for just reck.

[strong pilot]

Colossus fits less

First fury in wc3 was muradin so it fits imo

[outer rover]

AM or RA for Mountain Thane in M+?

[clever belfry]

if you really hate doing single target go AM

play RA otherwise

(either is fine on reset)

[dry hawk]

Thane AE

Gimme back Legion bloodbath execute on Titan raid

[tidal willow]

speaking of wc3 I am definitely on the tauren chieftan side of warrior, or blademaster but blademaster feels more arms-like

[clever belfry]

ah yes

invisibility

mirror images

Very arms

[cedar tulip]

Can anyone fill me in on min max rotation for fury single target? I’m not sure if I’m supposed to rampage when available or prio crushing blow / bloodbath. I tried surfing through logs and it looks like it’s a mix

[hardy cargo]

mechagnome as a race ahs this

3 classes have invis

[hazy spruce]

If you’re going to over cap rage you rampage, if the enrage buff falls off, you rampage.

[eternal sundial]

Read the guide

[tidal willow]

you're right, give my warrior Wind Walk RIGHT NOW

[clever belfry]

if only there was a spec called wind walker

[warm crag]

whirlwind monk

[willow cradle]

Ja Clappa

[tidal willow]

is there also a spec called mirror imager?

[open flax]

I want a 4th warrior spec called "Big Angry Boi" and it's fury from the end of BFA with all of the corruptions that gave you like 75% haste unbuffed and Legion Arms execute phase.

[dry hawk]

But my obnoxiously large execute dot

[clever belfry]

no, but ask mages about mirrors

[verbal dragon]

Are we only good for thunder clap now?

[tidal willow]

yes that's the joke, saying that wc3 warrior abilities went to other classes is painstakingly obvious

[clever belfry]

Warrior wasnt really a concept there

[tidal willow]

doesn't change that blademaster is the arms inspiration, and not only because of bladestorm

[shell folio]

so slayer fury is now dead or can we still play slayer ?

[willow cradle]

Fury ran Crit and Crit damage in BFA

[verbal dragon]

Slayers dead in m+ but for raid it isnt

[tidal willow]

slayer fury was already dead, but people are trying to salvage parts of the class since MT is getting a buff

[sage valley]

Already respecced into mountain thane, coolest spec

also changing to earthen

this is dwarvish as fuck

[tidal willow]

inner strength, not strength of the earth for me

[sage valley]

[south kayak]

Break yourselves upon my body

FEEL THE STRENGTH OF THE EARTH

[eternal sundial]

BatChest

[nimble ibex]

What are you guys averaging in overall damage in plus 10s

[sleek zenith]

Does spell reflect still work in zekvirs lair?

[eternal sundial]

No

[solemn plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781981140009091075/1292125856746963024/image.png?ex=6702997a&is=670147fa&hm=e603c36abd25f4930a455bdcd6c1fae2371dbcc93c61020e80badf445f4a6acd& my dungeon healer posted a link to this image then told me to check skyhold. I really dont get what this is?

[hardy cargo]

[warm crag]

[sleek zenith]

just the damage or also the fear itself?

[eternal sundial]

definitely no dam anymore

[low folio]

just tried powerful enrage for the first time. man does that make the spec just unbearably annoying compared to haste

[clever belfry]

Yeah well, but it is what u wanna play on aoe

[hardy cargo]

beautiful.....

[low folio]

i refuse to play powerful enrage. it literally makes the spec not fun for me

[hardy cargo]

good thing the margin between both is pretty low so u can just spec frenzied and not think about it

[eternal sundial]

gear more haste

[warm crag]

its not in aoe tho or

like not even close

[low folio]

would need way more haste to make the spec feel right

[hardy cargo]

last I saw it was like 1% or am I trippin

[clever belfry]

die holy paladin

[warm crag]

in ST ye

but having your burst deal 15% more dammy is pretty good ye

[mossy fox]

blast more burst

[clever belfry]

lorgok be proud

[hardy cargo]

o I thought it was ST and aoe that was within 1% just inverse

[clever belfry]

i wish i had potion man

i could blast more burst

[clever belfry]

on aoe its more than 1%

only roar gets buffed from haste on aoe practically

[hardy cargo]

like FE+1% st and PE+1% in aoe

[clever belfry]

from your 3 big buttons

[warm crag]

just have 32% haste in raid spec

[clever belfry]

hmmm no

[warm crag]

why not

why not have the 1/2/3 stat spread

[clever belfry]

I am crittus gamerus

i have less vers

xd

[hardy cargo]

how crazy of an idea PE+AM

[clever belfry]

welcome to broodtwister

👍

[hardy cargo]

oh context: in keys

[warm crag]

imma be real if ur not playing powerful in any aoe ur just hard trolling

[eternal sundial]

15% less damage on big buttons

but more filler

[clever belfry]

but ur filler also gets buffed

cause ure perma enraged lol

[low folio]

haste affects plenty of things, the sim i just did definitely didnt show anything larger than 2% difference in aoe

[clever belfry]

sure on 5target 42min sik

but on any real scenario its just worse

[low folio]

doubts

[clever belfry]

you're a frontload spec
play into that strength

i dont like PE but it's just what fury is rn

[low folio]

packs live longer than your frontload damage

[normal hollow]

priority targets often don't, which is what matters the most in keys

[nimble ibex]

thane buff next week?

[forest grove]

I can see taking pe in aoe fights and trash in raid but I think I'd rather kill myself than bring it into keys

[forest grove]

God I hope so

[cedar tulip]

When you proc sudden death from slayer tree do you wait til 3 stacks of marked execution or better to just send it?

[hardy cargo]

in st u wait til 3 stacks of marked, sd aboutt o fall off, or juggernaut about to fall off

[ornate gust]

What is PE?

[forest grove]

powerful enrage

[hardy cargo]

in aoe u send if it has any marked fo exe on the target

[coral hinge]

It’s in the upcoming notes for reset this week

[hardy cargo]

#updates-midnight here also

[coarse moon]

how long does it take you guys to get into m+ keys? im 2490 and cant get in a 10+ 😐

[forest grove]

Thanks I really ought to read the papers more often

Inshallah

[nimble ibex]

damn i didnt see that is the hotfix live?

[inland flame]

The changes from the last post happen on Tues

[hardy cargo]

(arrive oct 8th)

[coral hinge]

Mountain Thane Gang

[hardy cargo]

this enough haste for perma PE? 🙂

[remote veldt]

Don't worry the same and i can't tag a single key :/

[eager thorn]

Ret paladins least favourite school subject

[eager thorn]

Have you done any 10s

Whenever i apply for the ones ive already timed its normally like 10-15 min search

[honest karma]

has anyone tried thane before in m+? i don't even know how it plays

[inland flame]

Its what everyone says it is

Good for consistent trash dam and awful on bosses

[honest karma]

I see

[restive peak]

❤️

[inland flame]

The buffs on Tues make it catch up a lot to Slayer ST in their cleave builds while still blasting adds tho

[bitter palm]

its shitting on slayer on aoe

gonna be*

[honest karma]

what's the rotational differences? just add clap in there?

[bitter palm]

and almost the same on st

slayer is so fucking dead

and im so glad

dogwater hero talent

in m+*

[low folio]

slayer definitely feels better playstyle wise imo

[sand crest]

thane will still be trash in raid because full st build is far behind and on fights with adds, slayer's burst is much better than anything thane can provide

excited to try out AM thane in m+ tho

I complained about AM in df and now I miss it x)

[honest karma]

i miss AM too

[eager thorn]

no its not lol

[bitter palm]

ah yeah

equal st and much worse aoe

[eager thorn]

slayer still gonna be for raid

[bitter palm]

me when i cant read

[bitter palm]

.......

[inland flame]

Blast over everything unless you need to Ramp for enrage, but Clap bottom prio for ST.

Blast over everything, but just Clap over RB as filler for cleave.

I think.

[eager thorn]

even in m+ its not that much worse

[bitter palm]

it just is tho

same st a lot worse aoe and weaker defensively

[inland flame]

At least right now might change on Tues idk.

[nimble ibex]

thane use ravager instead of balde storm?

[bitter palm]

yes

[nimble ibex]

i love blade storm 😦

[sand crest]

clap over rb might not remain once the rb/bt buffs come through

[low folio]

biggest downside of thane for me is ravager

[sand crest]

cant remember if those are at the same time or not

[eager thorn]

ravager is better than bs

[inland flame]

They aren't

[eager thorn]

but slayer doesnt work without bs

[low folio]

bs more fun

[inland flame]

Tues is the Thane buffs BT/RB happen with the anniversary patch

[uneven grotto]

is there an addon that tells you when you are about to hit a stat soft cap?

[sand crest]

the massive upside of ravager, especially in pugs, is you have no chance ripping aggro off the tank

which at least for me has been a big issue with bs/slayer

[eager thorn]

pov me when i cant let a tank get aggro for 2s before popping cds

[sand crest]

even when waiting 3 ish seconds

before sending

[sand crest]

if only that was enough

I wouldnt complain

[eager thorn]

i mean it kinda is

ur playing with make a wish tank if you perma die after waiting 3s

[sand crest]

thats why I said pugs

[copper patio]

Why was zekvirs dot hotfixed to be not deflectable/reflectable but can be defused/ams’d

[sand crest]

never know what ur gonna get

[low folio]

in 10s the tanks ive pugged generally keep aggro

[bitter palm]

am coming to save us

[eager thorn]

ive not had any issues in pugs unless i go to like a 7 and get an ungeared tank

[velvet canopy]

I haven't had major aggro issues since Heroic week tbh

[bitter palm]

from 1:30s static cds that should be 45s by todays standards

[sand crest]

ive had tanks in 10s not taunt bosses on pull and I ripped aggro on pull

[inland flame]

Just save Avatar/Bladestorm for it. Charge and Leap work with Slayer talent as well.

[sand crest]

some tanks are overconfident

[velvet canopy]

At worst you can tell within the first pull or two if you need to give the tank a couple extra seconds. Sucks, but better than constantly wiping

[bitter palm]

good

[eager thorn]

can also take bitter immunity for the zekvir dot

[slate mica]

anyone else have shadow binding ritutal knife simming through the roof

[neon ingot]

Where can i find a good Thane talent ?

[bitter palm]

better to be overconfident than scared to pull more than 2 mobs

how are u gonna learn ur limits if u dont test

[velvet canopy]

Especially as Fury I want overaggressive tanks for that AOE

[sand crest]

the best part about thane is it makes ansurek ring even better : D

[eager thorn]

assuming you get it :/

[mild iris]

Yeah got mine at 619 outperforming the sac

[rotund ginkgo]

JA CLAPPA

JA CLAPPA

[bitter palm]

JA CLAPPA

JA CLAPPA

JA CLAPPA

[inland flame]

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[smoky sigil]

True stat values

[errant vessel]

Depends on the dungeon and tank, but around 1.5 mil

[modest condor]

no that just keeps track of how far over DR you are

there are no soft caps

[smoky sigil]

soft cap = when stats give you less power no?!

[modest condor]

by that logic every point of rating would be a soft cap

[uneven grotto]

yeah for everything besides masterty its 30% i believe

[modest condor]

soft caps are when stats stop affecting certain things, but dont become completely useless

or when you hit a hard cap during a buff

[uneven grotto]

thank you so much

[smoky sigil]

after a certain ammount you get a 10% then a 20% reduction

[modest condor]

example of a soft cap is 100% haste since it no longer affects the gcd, or 80% crit because you'll be at 100% during reck

[fickle bluff]

Can we ban phrase "true stat values"

[modest condor]

yes, that's DR

[uneven grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[modest condor]

diminishing returns

which is not a soft cap

[smoky sigil]

holy fuck, my bad

[errant vessel]

I’ve heard people use it interchangeably as well

[modest condor]

it's plenty common to go over your 10% DR point

[smoky sigil]

L RIZZ

[iron portal]

I liked getting hard cap on haste in temple of sethrallis

[craggy quiver]

I played caster for 20 years…was world content/Dungeons always so fast and „easy“ with warriors 😶

[modest condor]

in modern wow yeah

[hardy cargo]

at the start of that 20 years nope

[patent tundra]

if we play thane do we play anger managment?

[uneven grotto]

just zug zug

[smoky sigil]

not yet i believe

after 10.0.5 i think

[low folio]

for thane, is bloodthirst over rb for prio or the other way. i would assume bt is higher piro

[wind torrent]

Prob just sim it on Tuesday

[craggy quiver]

its a fun class atm for me 😁

[steel shadow]

So are mana oils or whetstones gernerally better?

[forest grove]

The oils are definitely cheaper

[low folio]

whetstones are probably better but i cant imagine it being huge difference

[forest grove]

At least they were

[low folio]

definitely mana oil much cheaper

[fleet sorrel]

@young swan blow up

[polar roost]

JA CLAPPA

[eager thorn]

bis consumables page says mana oil

[hazy holly]

Will mountain thane be better in m+ than slayer?

[sour frigate]

🔮

[dim meadow]

Probably. Thane has higher aoe damage with the changes coming

Also tankier

[modest condor]

it always had higher aoe, the problem was that it had 10% less st damage

it's only about 2% behind after the changes

so yes most likely thane in m+

[low folio]

i dont like the current affix for M+ this week. desyncs the trinkets from cds

[bitter palm]

play arakara and mandate

[low folio]

cant run mandate, dont raid

[kind gale]

Can anybody share Whirlwind Stacks Aura, which makes a sound when stacks fall to zero? It works for me when it's 1 stack, but not for 0.

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[iron portal]

https://tenor.com/view/mountain-king-warcraft3-avatar-gif-15201002

[coral hinge]

ROCK AND STONE

[radiant pike]

Can someone link or explain me the changes for thane and slayer? Blizzard Patchnotes are like two weeks behind 😩

[eager thorn]

#updates-midnight

[inner shadow]

In m+ from 4 to 8
Which is the best to do to get best amount of crest?

[radiant pike]

Ty 👍

[sour frigate]

7

u get alive reg and hero items

[unreal onyx]

isn't the amount the same?

[sour frigate]

amount is the same

but more applicants and better drop

[fiery star]

does AM mountain thane make sense with the new changes?

[somber elk]

after anniversary yes

I guess

[violet condor]

surely those target cap changes wont go through right?

[chrome plover]

[violet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-cry-mouse-cutie-gif-8391713226319350655

[inner shadow]

Alive reg? Whats that

[brazen island]

Do you know if the post there factors in the target cap changes? Like is that % amount that thane’s ahead in mt with or without the target cap reduction

[sour frigate]

a lot of people in lfg

[chrome plover]

no it doesnt, because that is coming in 11.0.5

and these changes are coming next reset

[brazen island]

Right just checking because the % decrease from those changes was already calculated

[inner shadow]

So should i decrease my key to +7 and keep running over and over?

[brazen island]

So by 11.0.5 pretty safe to say AM Thane will be the way to go in M+ since there will be even more nerfs to Slayer due to the burst profile being nerfed

[chrome plover]

i think it will probably be AM thane in keys but I wouldnt say it's "safe to say" with the rate they've been making changes this patch

but yeah it's looking to be going that way

which im all for

[dry hawk]

will we ever go back to massacre?

[chrome plover]

if you want hero gear and runed crests yeah

[olive wraith]

If we get a tier set that heavily buffs execute sure

[wicked dew]

oh shit I didnt even think about that

[sour frigate]

i think so

at least when i tried to start 8 it was impossible to find peeps

[inner shadow]

Yeah to farm gear and max to 619

[sour frigate]

was easier to do 7 ++

[inner shadow]

How many crest x dung y get?

[sour frigate]

12 for time 5 for nontime

[wicked dew]

12 if timed, 5 if not

[inner shadow]

Oh

Thats huge

So every 3 dung

Full upgrade to 619

Cuz its 45 crests i think

[wicked dew]

not quite

[chrome plover]

610-619 is 45 yea

[inner shadow]

So for the rest of the week

Until resey

[chrome plover]

but it'd be 4 dungeons :p

in t ime

[inner shadow]

I should just run +7s

[radiant pike]

If i play thane why people still skill bladestorm? Its still the best choice? I dont like this spell it kills my flow

[inner shadow]

Its cuz its paired with rampage buff -iirc

[radiant pike]

ahh okay i get it

[olive wraith]

Thane plays ravager in 99% sure

[radiant pike]

Ye makes more sense for me too

[edgy widget]

Mostly Ravager; you could use Bladestorm if speed or mobility is a concern (I did it for leveling and early delve content), but Ravager has better total damage due to being able to layer it & TBlast

[kindred swallow]

i tried playing thane a while ago and it just feels so slow to me

[edgy widget]

it's the same speed as Slayer

[olive wraith]

Maybe cause tc has a cooldown it feels that way?

As slayer when I’m moving out of mechanics and such I spam ww so it “feels” like you’re doing more

[edgy widget]

So does practically everything else, you don't ever really "spam" WW

[winter wedge]

guys probably stupid question but I'm main prot and just messing around with fury, with slayer cooldown reduction bladestorm is always unsynced with avatar and reck, should I hold it to sync ?

[olive wraith]

Was messing with thane last night and it didn’t feel particularly slow

[olive wraith]

Don’t hold it too long. I think general advice is never more than 10s

[winter wedge]

ok, thanks a lot

[olive wraith]

You can send it with OF most times

[kindred swallow]

would the opener with mountain thane be the same order as rn but just swap the abilities or

[olive wraith]

Swap what abilities?

[eager thorn]

ravager and bs prob

[ornate bolt]

that's funny because i switched to slayer and it feels slower than thane

[olive wraith]

Thane is taking ravager already though

[kindred swallow]

ye

and we take spear aswell right?

[eager thorn]

he is saying going from slayer > thane

[winter wedge]

speaking of thane is there a big difference between thane and slayer

in m+

in terms of perfroamnce

[eager thorn]

on reset thane will be better

[olive wraith]

Thane has less st

[eager thorn]

just less bursty and less st afaik

[winter wedge]

nice (for me), I don't like slayer very much

[olive wraith]

Check wowhead

[kindred swallow]

wowhead doesnt have an opener for thane

just priorities

at least i cant find it

[olive wraith]

Did you toggle into thane talents

[eager thorn]

the wowhead page just doesnt have a thane opener

[inland cloud]

Will thane be better in everyway on reset? Why are they nerfing slayer if war is underperforming?

[eager thorn]

has rotation prio for stuff but no opener

[burnt kelp]

I thought the changes were on the anniversary patch not reset

[hasty tide]

With thane most likely getting some play next week in keys, will the optimal build for it be AM or RA?

[winter fossil]

So thane is getting buffed but as far as I understood from critcake video that it is still behind slayer. Now am reading that people are digging into thane rotation/opener, can any one elaborate more if thane will be better or what?

[tidal willow]

thane was always better sustained aoe but used to be severely behind other areas. it's projected to catch up slightly due to recent changes while still having better overall aoe (slayer was always bursty)

[sinful spoke]

Swapped off elvui and even in dornogal my fps in max settings shot up by 30

Cant wait to see in raid tonight

[delicate yacht]

Anyone else just getting constantly declined from keys , I've never seen it this bad , maybe just me

[eager thorn]

m+ this season is bad ye

[delicate yacht]

I'm 620 and 2300 , declined from 7s 8s and 9s

[pallid storm]

You bring no utility.

[eager thorn]

Not a lot of utility sure but no utility is wrong

[velvet hamlet]

can someone help me out. my character is Drekavac-Draenor and my dps is lower then it should be. my ilvl is 613 and i do 700k dps in m+. i think im making something wrong in prio of abilities. when I'm enraged i use raging/crushing blow then bloodbath and then rampage. if i have execute i use it after rampage. sometimes i do 2x raging/crushing blow if its geting slow on rage. i use OF if im gona go out of enraged but dont have rampage up. please help am i doing something wrong or i naturaly suck.

[buoyant salmon]

ppl are better geared and higher io farming crests or specific items

[humble plover]

Brown class

[eager thorn]

You’re upkeeping the whirlwind buff right

[hasty tide]

run your own key, go tank, reroll, or take longer to get a key - gotta roll with the punches when not meta

[velvet hamlet]

in multytarget fight yes

[oak peak]

if you craft a weapon, does that give you a discount to upgrade your second weapon? or does it not count because it is crafted?

[eager thorn]

Discount

[oak peak]

thanks!

[eager thorn]

But relog after crafting to make it discounted

[eager thorn]

Id say try reading the wowhead rotation guide and spend a bit of time at the practice dummies following it

Make sure you’re using your cds properly too

[velvet hamlet]

I did and i do all as wowhead sugest i even went to method to see what they wrote

[edgy oasis]

Get enraged.

Rek charge rampage. Pop ava + TR trinkets. Bladestorm. Then OF.

Hold OF because you've used ava, which gives you a brief OF. After bladestorm it'll likely be off...so then OF. You'll be rampage CB for a while while under the benefits of the brief Ava. Otherwise get as many CB as possible in ST. Get as many BB in aoe. Rampage whenever it's up.

If your damage is low. You'll likely be using cooldowns on their own...or not while enraged or not in ava buff.

[velvet hamlet]

i use as writen but i feel i should do diferently regarding rampage-raging/crushing blow - bloodbath

[eager thorn]

If you have an ss of your m+ key with your damage breakdown it could help

[edgy oasis]

Rampage. Crushing blow. Rampage crushing blow...can't rampage? Bloodbath. Rampage crushing blow...can't rampage? Likely raging blow bloodthirst execute. Rampage crushing blow...

This simple.

[velvet hamlet]

this good

[edgy oasis]

Impossible to say. You could be using aoe cooldowns on small groups....

[opaque cypress]

odyns fury should be higher, no?

[edgy oasis]

Sometimes it is best to hold cooldowns for the next large pack. Then send as per the above.

[velvet hamlet]

i use bloodbath befor every rampage because of set bonus it busts dmg of rampage you telling me i shouldent do that?

[eager thorn]

Dont play around set bonus at all

[edgy oasis]

Whirlwind to cleave your abilities. Odyn fury to also give whirlwind stacks..

[eager thorn]

Imagine it doesnt exist

[velvet hamlet]

ohhhh

[hardy shuttle]

You have like half of the BB casts as CB

[eager thorn]

Also yeah it seems like your big cds arent being used too well

[edgy oasis]

If you can rampage....do it. But you're doing it...to get crushing blow...

[velvet hamlet]

befor boss i use OF then BS and hold other CDs for boss

[velvet hamlet]

I cant track when i get crushing blow... is ther a wa for that?

[warm crag]

cds on cd with very few exceptions fool

[velvet hamlet]

do i use raging blow instead?

[eager thorn]

the icon changes

and its always after you press rampage

[velvet hamlet]

aaaaaa ok

[edgy oasis]

I mean, probably, but you don't need to track it...you get it after a rampage.

Like rampage...then crushing blow(raging blow buffed).

[velvet hamlet]

ok, thank you guys this was a milion helpful, going to kill that practice dummy now 🙂

[eager thorn]

idt this is necessarily bad btw

its p much what i end up having

[south kayak]

isn't paladin getting giga nerfed in .5

I heard someone say that

no more 1m wings

[eager thorn]

idk check pally disc maybe

[south kayak]

ok let me check

[eager thorn]

only ppl in here play warrior and fdk

[hardy shuttle]

Mine seems very very close every key. Here's a ++11 GB

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yrqmcz9gARnxVMKH#fight=2&type=casts&source=1

[south kayak]

ok so they did remove 1 min cd Wings lol

but they still have radiant glory so idk if that changes much

[terse meadow]

does anyone has a good tip on how to track my targets prosition in bigpulls to avoid beeing out of range ?

[burnt kelp]

does anyone play without radiant glory?

lul

[eager thorn]

ah so details isnt actually showing casts

the hits is just how many times it hit smth

[mild iris]

So presumably with 2% loss in ST and 12% ahead in aoe, thane will be the go to build for M+, but is this RA or AM?

[eager thorn]

i have 4 less casts of bb than cb here

[south kayak]

No

[eager thorn]

but the hits is wildly diff

[burnt kelp]

holy shit san'layn blood dk

[south kayak]

what about it

[burnt kelp]

looks cool

maybe I'll try tanking

[eager thorn]

if you have smth like plater you can add effects to the target bar to make it stand out

[hardy shuttle]

Yeah CB I guess is split between offhand and mainhand. On my details it's not combined like his

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail

[eager thorn]

yea my details is p much base settings so im not too sure

was good to find that out though

[hardy shuttle]

I still think his BB is way too low on the meters mine is 3rd every key. And CB is usually above rampage by. Decent bit

[sinful spoke]

anda are u still aug jail

[clever belfry]

? no

[oblique trail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cake-cat-cake-meme-gif-24537247

[clever belfry]

i have not played aug since i killed mythic frakkus

[sinful spoke]

ah

go back

[clever belfry]

? no

i am too much of a menace on it

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-anger-pixar-inside-out-aaah-gif-5628546

[buoyant salmon]

its total beans

[burnt kelp]

but it LOOKS cool

[fleet sorrel]

Blow up

[clever belfry]

okay 👍

[burnt kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/riff-raff-my-main-goal-is-to-blow-up-and-the-act-like-i-dont-know-nobody-gif-5699678514025755875

[rancid jackal]

Willl mt fury be going the same stats?

[south kayak]

What are those teeth

[burnt kelp]

carnivorous beast

[sinful spoke]

MA MANGO IS TO BLOW UP AND ACT LIKE I ION KNO NOBODY

[burnt kelp]

[sinful spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1bUv050-XQ&ab_channel=AsricGypsie

[normal bane]

is there a 1 button macro to swap stances

[eager thorn]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

or smth like that

ok im a misinformation spreader its actually this
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [stance:1] Berserker Stance

[grave kiln]

i have that first one

but with berserkerstance yea

[eager thorn]

oh maybe it does work idk

[normal bane]

the 2nd one worked

ty

[eager thorn]

yea the 1st one says battle stance cos im a moron

[terse meadow]

i have more like a problem to identtifiy the target hitbox with all these nameplates in bigger pulls

[eager thorn]

yea so in the plater settings you can add things to the target bar to make it stand out more

[meager void]

https://wago.io/cuZaEbDwr

this helped my boomer ass loads.

[warm crag]

[terse meadow]

will try that i guess 🙂

[eager thorn]

this has nothing to do with target nameplates?

like at all

[meager void]

did you read his last post?

[eager thorn]

yes and seeing where ur character is wont help him know where the target is

[meager void]

target hitbox

the problem is often not where the target is but where you are relative to target

the center of the screen gets lost in all the motion

and, as stated, this helped me. YMMV

[eager thorn]

ok but he said hes having issues with where the target is lol not where he is in relation to it but w.e

hopefully it works for him too

[mossy fox]

so many ppl are doing this now

[sinful spoke]

i was inspired by mr critcake himself

[eager thorn]

ye i didnt realise how much elvui lowered fps

[mossy fox]

suppose it is kinda op

i got a lot of fps too after the change

just a bit annoying to set up

[sinful spoke]

yeah i know firedup is getting an installer for his ui today

same way atrocity has one

[eager thorn]

i had to reset my ui like 3 times cos my ssd was full and it kept resetting the addons

[sinful spoke]

legit smashed my head into a wall installing his ui cause it was so confusing

[eager thorn]

i still use elvui for some stuff like minimap though

idk why theres no other addons that let you show more on minimap

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/feixiao-honkai-honkai-star-rail-nom-eat-gif-8754089945268313292

[feral ivy]

Is Elvui the problem atm with lag during raid and everywhere? If so anyone know another add on to replace Elvui not nameplates I use plater

[mossy fox]

loboz spotted

[sinful spoke]

buff woyer

[eager thorn]

wouldn't say its necessarily the problem but it doesn't help

you can replace most of what elvui does with other addons too, i use plater for nameplates, bartender for bars and shadowed unit frames for frames

can pretty much get your ui looking the same but now you get +30fps

[sinful spoke]

thats what firedup does

[sullen dove]

been sayin elvui just sucks

"yea guys does someone have new elvui import i cant play the game because new patch broke my hotbars"

[eager thorn]

i do like some stuff that elvui offers

but i have like 90% of the addon disabled in settings

[feral ivy]

Wouldn’t say elvui sucks it puts a lot of addon as one. But only thing that’s making like it is the 10second one frame I’m getting during raid

Not like it*

[sinful spoke]

bro

all i know is with elvui

[clever belfry]

loboz spec

loboz spec

[sinful spoke]

if i hovered the ingame time on the map

to show latency

my game froze for a god 2 sec

every time

[eager thorn]

you can show latency below the chat tho

[sinful spoke]

now like to show all latency

[feral ivy]

I’ll try out messing with other addons and see how that is during raid .. i use to use bartender but I forgot why I got off that

[sinful spoke]

from addons world server ect

[modest creek]

am i supposed to be waiting for 3 stacks of marked before executing? and does that change with ashen juggernaut?

[sullen dove]

in pure st build where you have sudden death talented yeah you can pretty much hit execute when it comes up i would think its behind cb/bb in terms of prio, but if you are somehow able to track and see ashen juggernaut you would want to try to not let it fall off

but like outside of using st build which is only used on two bosses that arms is better on sudden death only procs on 3 stacks so ur just kinda forced to wait till then

but essentially youre fine to hit execute when it lets you hit it, just usually do if after cb/bb, or i mean you can even top prio it on the off chance slayer strikes are like stupid and just proc 3 times in 1 global after you get your third

hate how inconsistent that shit is

so from like personal preference i basically just insta hit a 3stack execute the moment it pops up to not waste cdr but that prolly isnt super necessary outside of certain fights like ansurek where you're trying to get bladestorm up by certain times in the fight

[eager thorn]

worth holding it though if bs isnt >15s cd

[mighty apex]

I'm starting to get gilded crests. Should I save them for wep recraft or just upgrade my existing hero gear

[static rock]

So these most recent class tunings will be active on next reset, but the target cap and damage changes for CB and BB will be on the anni patch?

[modest creek]

okay cool thank you so much for the detailed answer that really helps, i was really confusing

[eager thorn]

yes

[static rock]

Weapon , especially if you have the weapon embellishment

By how much?

[formal peak]

like 8-11% are crits

[fading sky]

They are not modified

[static rock]

I don't know exact reason for retail, but in other versions, thunder clap would scale with spell power, b/c it was treated as such, which we have none of

[formal peak]

thunder clap(not thunder blast) is phys

oh wait, its my b, this talent dont crit, thats why

[static rock]

what are your other abilities crit %?

[orchid dagger]

@limpid burrow

69.1% uptime + meme

[limpid burrow]

ah yes, we now have the concept of a plan

[feral ivy]

How do we get a petition to start for Diablo transmog team work on wow transmog because Diablo transmog atm looks good

[eager thorn]

does it

[white ibex]

for fury is it better to get double authority of the depths enchant or better to do 1 and another enchant?

[south kayak]

JA CLAPPA

[eager thorn]

both depths

[feral ivy]

Would you want this helm?

[white ibex]

ty

[eager thorn]

not particularly

the helm doesnt look that great imo the only cool part is a skull face

but that feels more dk mog than warrior

[sour abyss]

You guys full sending BB right after CB or if you've got time before gushing falls off do you spam some RB's to pad it up?

gettting mixed results

[feral ivy]

I cut it off on ax

[frank rover]

hello

i need some talent help

thunderous roar feels horrible to use

[eager thorn]

ye its just average spiky helm

[frank rover]

is spear that huge of a dps loss

im m+

[sand crest]

there's definitely a case that wow tmogs, especially those you get from doing hard content (mythic raid) arent flashy enough, there's no wow effect to them, unlike some of the tmogs in ff14

[buoyant salmon]

why lol

[sour abyss]

Macro roar into Avatar

it'll never feel bad again

as long as its on the 1.5

[sand crest]

in ff14 you do hard content, you rly feel like you get to flex on everyone else with the cool shit u get visually

in wow theres none of that

[eager thorn]

considering wow isnt great for fps i dont personally want more flashy stuff

[sand crest]

just wait for wow 2 rebuilt in a new engine

: )

[eager thorn]

cos you think that'd help

[sand crest]

I think it wouldnt hurt

[edgy widget]

not technically, but its much harder to hit spread out targets

[sand crest]

also I dont think wow is particularly bad for fps, im at a stable 144 in instances and 70-80 in dornogal depending on the amount of people in my shard, and my pc is pretty good but not top of the line

ofc u always get drops in 30man raids with lust on pull type things

but its not the worst

most of the fps issues are addon/weakaura related imo

[edgy widget]

you can get good fps, I manage even 50+ in raid, but wow is very cpu heavy and yeah - some addons and even numerous WAs together can eat up a lot of resources

[upbeat plume]

yep if Im hitting 60+ in a big raid Im pretty happy

Im usually around 200+ out in the open world

[iron portal]

Used to be like that

[sand crest]

yeah I started playing in SL so never got to experience that : (

[humble plover]

I don't remember having anything close to FFXIV flashy spells lol

[static ridge]

hi guys

do fury and arms warrior get a buff or nerf in some reset ?

[gilded pawn]

Soon

Not now

[kindred swallow]

im confused of what this guy is running lol

[static ridge]

nerf or buff ?

[gilded pawn]

#updates-midnight

[sinful spoke]

S2 df buils

Bro hsnt changed his talents

[livid marsh]

doesnt it say pvp?

looks like pvp to me

[gilded pawn]

I like the double defensive up top

[orchid dagger]

this is a pvp tree

[kindred swallow]

ah makes sense

yeah its a gnome its definetly a pvp player

[pseudo marlin]

anyone else dislike msbt or whatever

[warm crag]

True Horde

[proper depot]

Noob question, is there a difference between the Charged Claymore, and the Charged 2h Mace for your crafted weapon?

[warm crag]

as long as its 2h and str they're all the same

[proper depot]

I cannot see the difference in wow head

[oblique trail]

There is no functional difference between them

[proper depot]

Awesome ty

[oblique trail]

Just the materials needed

[eager thorn]

ye idk its never as stable as that for me

dornogal usually like 60fps top

[iron portal]

I meant flashy gear mostly and mounts

If you have done high end content in wow, it was very visible

[normal yoke]

Is something fucked with Slayer and Bladestorm again where Unrelenting Onslaught is bugged? I keep seeing BS come off of CD but then it won't cast for another few seconds.

Has only been happening within the last few days.

[forest owl]

yeah same i had it happen all day today, not sure if maybe a weak aura like luxthos, i saw he updated today

ive just updated now, so it might be fixed if its weak aura issue

[normal yoke]

I don't think it's WA related, because the ability shows as being available on my action bars as well.

[forest owl]

i'll need to watch it next key and see, i have my actionbar as mosueover so havent been watching if its off cd or not

[normal yoke]

It could also be that the CD is so close to completing that it appears to be ready for me.

Will see.

[dry hawk]

Oh so that's not just me

[pearl bridge]

So I am trying to figure out so keybinds and I am using belluars spreadsheet as guide. any idea why recklessness would be bound to "E" since it is a 1.5 minute CD

just seems weird to have a long cooldown on a prime real estate key

[normal yoke]

Hmm, not sure why he does it, but I also coincidentally happen to have Reck on E

Just felt natural

Avatar on Q

[pearl bridge]

interesting I typically use Q and E for AOE abilities. but maybe i Will try his out. trying to set up something where each character more or less has the same abilities in the same places

I also have a gaming mouse (12 Side buttons) that i barely utilize lol

[warm crag]

idk man keybinds are so deeply personal that following someone elses "spreadsheet" is a bit silly

just try to find natural keybinds and dont keybind stuff you press often to straining button combos

[grizzled pewter]

Wait you guys dont macro Avatar and Recklessness together?

[warm crag]

you can, why not

[pearl bridge]

it was more so for an idea I guess I am terrible with stuff like this

[warm crag]

thats totally fine, just don't get locked into keybinds you don't like

try moving stuff around if you feel like its awkward and at some point you will settle for something that you will like

maybe also try considering what buttons you can press at the same time comfortably, if pressing a certain button locks you out of doing another important thing at the same time maybe shift around some keybinds

[dim pecan]

Mythic gear almost always has cool glowy parts, or crackling lightning or things that move around...

[static rock]

Also love that once you get it you can have it on the other difficulty sets

[static rock]

I've been told that my keybinds are atrocious, so I feel like mine makes people cringe

[warm crag]

i would probably agree but if the keybinds don't impede with you being able to play mechanically perfectly and dont cause you strain who cares

[pseudo marlin]

keybinds are personal

[sand crest]

yeah and its noticeable if you inspect someone, but in game its barely noticeable at all, ff14 does that kind of stuff wayyyy better

[vocal siren]

my keybinds since BC has always been:
E+Q+F+R are my most used attacks

[static rock]

just, why?

[vocal siren]

E = BT
Q = Raging Blow
F = Rampage
R= Whirlwind

[sand crest]

like the lightning on the shoulders if the current set? you barely even see that in the inspect

[warm crag]

i have seen these keybinds on a great warrior before

[edgy widget]

because people have different hands, placement, and comfort levels?

[vocal siren]

1 is like, a big cooldown, like TR

then i do V as execute always, Z as interrupt

[edgy widget]

doesn't mean they're always better or worse than one another

[vocal siren]

2 is flex, 3 is charge, 4 is heroic leap

5 is zerker rage

[static rock]

no, why have two an ability on your bar, or is it a macro button?

[vocal siren]

and then I swap to shift+keys

[warm crag]

i mean i get your point but theres already enough glamour in prog raiding that you cant get outside of it

[edgy widget]

idk ask him, but your question "why?" was not a very good response to "keybinds are personal" lol

[warm crag]

non raid sources of tmog have been more creative anyways

[static rock]

1 is BT, 2 is WW, 3 is charge, 4 is rampage, 5 is pummel, 6 is execute, 7 IV, 8 heroic throw, then a lot of the rest is on my mouse

[edgy widget]

see if I wanted to be snarky here, I'd say "but why?"

[static rock]

why have two of an ability on the bars? are those macroes?

[warm crag]

i swear any time someone mentions keybinds and how to bind them properly 2-3 people appear to list out their entire keybind sets as if its useful

[pseudo marlin]

i deleted all weakauras so i track cd's on my action bars

easier to track with multiples

[static rock]

I want to show my insanity

[warm crag]

the kick macro with a word that gets me automodded goes hard

[sand crest]

thats precisely my issue though, I feel like there is no incentive to raid mythic apart from raiding mythic and I think thats a shame. I thought id feel good about getting my first CE ever, and when I killed mythic sark I was just kinda underwhelmed, and had nothing to show for it

[flat river]

i just track enrage timer and ww stacks with weakaura

[sand crest]

havent wanted to raid mythic since

[pseudo marlin]

made my own

[warm crag]

mounts titles literal bis loot, you get to play the best raiding content ever made (imo)

[pseudo marlin]

dont need packs

[warm crag]

but if you dont hold the opinion that wow doesnt deliver best in the niche raiding (dungeon) experience why are you still here

[vocal siren]

I mean

[pseudo marlin]

i made msbt to only track interrupts/spell reflects

[warm crag]

also have you seen anurelos

[vocal siren]

if you're doing it for any reason other than to do the most challenging content in the game

then you shouldn't be doing it

[warm crag]

i will never equip the owl

[sand crest]

I think wow is miles ahead of anything else in terms of gameplay and thats why im still here, im not even trying to say any game comes close

[vocal siren]

loot and gear and titles and mounts are all secondary

[sand crest]

simply that the cosmetic rewards feel kinda lacking

[vocal siren]

you should be doing mythic raiding becaue its fun and challenging to progress hard fights

[warm crag]

idk i fully disagree

[sand crest]

and I respect that

just my opinion

[warm crag]

early dibs on anurelos and stuff like mythic sanctum plate is sufficient reward from a "glamour" perspective

[edgy widget]

people play for different reasons, not everyone needs a direct incentive; some do it just for love of the game

That said, there are mythic-only cosmetics so

[vocal siren]

i need to go farm

antorus mythic to get that jugg cosmetic

is it easy to solo atm

[kindred swallow]

my only problem with wow about cosmetics and those kinds of things is that there should be some kind of pity system at least for mounts

[vocal siren]

i heard eonar is a pain

[sand crest]

yeah there defo are mythic only cosmetics, im not arguing that, my original point was that they usually dont stand out that much compared to "regular" cosmetics, unlike in ff14

[kindred swallow]

cuz there are some that are just absurd you could farm for 30 years of your life and it still not drop

[sand crest]

and ofc even I dont need that incentive to play the game, otherwise I wouldnt

[vocal siren]

color palettes are usually more than enough to distinguish

[edgy widget]

I think that's very much a matter of opinion, some are far and away better than normal versions, some are just color swaps - it varies

that said, with how large the casual playerbase is, I don't really think Blizz needs to double down on "mythic raiding to get the best looking stuff" either

In fact, I think that would be a very counterproductive move lol

[warm crag]

they put most of the creative tmogs into other sources at this point which im probably content with

[steel geyser]

hey as a warrior can i use spell reflect on the last boss grim batol tentacles? soak to remove them without getting stunned and dead

[warm crag]

ye you can

[steel geyser]

someone told me i should

oooo cool ty

[warm crag]

as long as sr is up you can just run through them

[edgy widget]

you can also run over them during Bladestorm

[steel geyser]

just 1 or for the 5 seconds

[sand crest]

the only time I think "wow, this guys is so cool and good at the game" is when I look hard enough to notice a famed slayer title, otherwise when I see sets from specs I dont know, it's impossible to tell at a glance if its from mythic or hc or normal

[warm crag]

for the 5 seconds

[steel geyser]

sick ty

[warm crag]

this isnt how spellreflect usually operates dont expect it to do this a lot

[edgy widget]

that's not an issue with the rewards themselves, that's an issue of the game having thousands of cosmetics at this point, to the extent that nothing stands out anymore

[sand crest]

thats actually a good point

[fervent yoke]

Is our rotation and shit up to date on wowhead with all the changes?

[edgy widget]

some mythic-only cosmetics absolutely stand out from the stuff obtainable in N/H, sometimes it's not Mythic-only, but just very rare instead (which is also fine imo)

but the fact that the game has so many varied appearances at this point just makes identification harder

but frankly? That's fine. I lived through the "standing in Ironforge in T2" era, and I can tell you that 99% of players didn't give a shit then either

most of what it does is create jealousy, not admiration

[sand crest]

yeah I see what you mean

[edgy widget]

I mean I get where you're coming from, and I think there's something special about being that guy wearing the exclusive set or w/e that not everyone else can get

but while that feels good for the one person, it tends to feel bad for everyone else

WoW has really runaway with how many appearances there are though, and you can't really put that paste back in the tube

[sand crest]

I guess im just coming from my experience of my first (and only) CE having been an excruciating tier mentally, I feel like I really pushed myself, and like I deserved something to show that off

[clever path]

Yeah I can agree with this. I have a lot of the “special sets” myself and I know in most cases I wish other people could get them. Like how they did with T3 yeah it’s expensive but I wish they did that with more removed content

[sand crest]

but I also get why that being a thing is not necessarily a good idea

[edgy widget]

well you got a title, you (potentially) got loot that other people didn't have, if you hadn't earned it already you got the upgraded tier appearance, there's also often a mythic-only mount that you might not have looted that time but someone in your raid got

I think if you just blanket award a bunch of hype cosmetics the first time anyone gets CE, you'd see a huge spike in people buying CE and never going back.... be good for sales at least

[sand crest]

definitely true, and I think there's also a case (and im not arguing this is bad by any means), but since DF, the fact that max upgraded hero gear gives mythic tmog has also contributed to mythic tmog being less of a flex

[eternal sundial]

what tier did u get it

[sand crest]

my CE?

[eternal sundial]

ye

[fading sky]

Theres always a mount

[sand crest]

sarkareth

[eternal sundial]

sark ce was fine

i got the mount from it very happy

[warm crag]

sark was arguably the best endboss design wise in a while

[queen linden]

Not true. Vault didn't have a mythic mount.

[eternal sundial]

banger fight length

[fading sky]

It did

[sand crest]

I loved progging sark, hes was a great end boss

did not like echo though

[fading sky]

Was just same as morm

[sand crest]

WA nightmare

[eternal sundial]

echo as war was sooo snooze

[sand crest]

did not enjoy that fight

rashok though was one of my favorite raiding moments

[fading sky]

I 100% prefered fyrakk once u got through p1

[sand crest]

I fucking loved progging and killing that boss

[queen linden]

The raz skin dropped on all difficulties, so it wasn't technically a mythic mount.

[sand crest]

took a break after sark so I didnt play amirdrassil at all : (

[fading sky]

Which is ok, coz i didnt get ce but got mouby from first hc🤣🤣

[queen linden]

The last raid tier was the only raid in DF that had a mythic only mount drop.

[warm crag]

ok i dont wanna be pedantic but its a WA nightmare that is not on your end tho

[chrome relic]

The love of the game > all

[sand crest]

I meant it as in getting the WA to work for all 20 people in my guild was always a hassle

there was always someone for whom it wasnt working properly, wasnt assigning etc

[warm crag]

noobs

[sand crest]

rude

but not untrue tbh

[abstract path]

Guys quick question (might be dumb), why is no one upgrading their wrist (second emblisment) to 636 and keeping it only to 619?

[warm crag]

please understand that if i say noobs it is not meant to be derogatory

i just think it is funny to call people noobs

[warm crag]

90 gilded crests to upgrade a bracer (super low budget) is garbage

can send on trinkets, mythic pieces, high value slots instead

[abstract path]

Got it thanks

Also do you guys run 2x authority of the deeps for weapon enchantments?

[sand crest]

no offense taken dw x)

[warm crag]

ye but i raid

[covert blaze]

ban this guy

wtf

[abstract path]

so its better to go 2x authority of the deeps for weapon enchantments for M+?

[sand crest]

nah dont he's my ticket to calling someone else a noob and using his non-ban as an excuse for not getting ban

[warm crag]

i have noob calling privilege

[warm crag]

i took this guys r1 so he is a noob

[humble plover]

Call me a noob I dare you

[warm crag]

noob

[sand crest]

damn

[modest condor]

noob

[humble plover]

Bet ty

[warm crag]

silm noober

[abstract path]

lol

[warm crag]

fury otp noober

[sand crest]

anyone who hasnt killed mythic halondrus is a noob in my eyes

[modest condor]

imagine not being a fury otp

[hardy cargo]

im leveing frost mage its basically fury

[warm crag]

my guild disbanded specifically on this boss

but then i got a wr 50 jailer (still a noob)

[sand crest]

back then my guild disbanded on anduin right after x) barely got 10 pulls on him

[warm crag]

you killed halondrus on prog i didnt that makes me the noob

[humble plover]

Do current kills count cause I spanked halondrus last night. Didn't even have a bomb go off

[sand crest]

yeah but we had more pulls on lihuvim than halondrus (dont ask me how)

I feel like that equalizes it

[warm crag]

i mean you probably killed it after the nerf that nuked it from oblivion

[humble plover]

I killed it on prog too get rekt spongie

[warm crag]

gg

did u kill jailer in 20 pulls tho

[sand crest]

a kill is a kill

[humble plover]

Absolutely killed after nerf heck that boss

[warm crag]

ya all that counts

[humble plover]

What's a jailer

[sand crest]

[clever path]

A nipple monster

[tiny bridge]

guys if i have this badboy do you think its reasonable to craft embelishment on other slot than cloak?

i feel like this effect slap for a noob like me

[abstract path]

Can someone please help with this

[tiny bridge]

i play like only m+

[sand crest]

if you absolutely never raid you can go radiant

[humble plover]

U can craft wherever you want to. Just advised to do it on low budget items lol

[sand crest]

ye do bracers if not cloak

[tiny bridge]

i mean

[abstract path]

Yeah I do not do serious Mythic raiding just weekly stuff rest is M+ so 1x deeps and another radiant?

[tiny bridge]

if i craft it on feet, i cant get 639 feet

so its not that obvious i would say

[humble plover]

Gotta have max ilvl feet. They're the prettiest

[desert cloud]

does anyone know what's that thing showing the deff stance by any chance

i've been struggling to find the source

what addon

or wa

[sand crest]

I wish 639 feet would get me pretty manicured zandalari toes

[humble plover]

Wrists is a good bet if you don't wanna do cloak

[willow cradle]

Probably ask in #ui-addons-manager it's more likely that someone will know there

[clever path]

I still wanna have the option to hide or show toes for trolls

I would play a zanda in a second if I could

[sand crest]

ye zanda feet are so ugly

but plate looks so good on them

[vapid mulch]

Chat, are we cooked?

[edgy widget]

thane will save us

[vapid mulch]

maybe if it gets the firemage treatment

Are blizard huge Thane lovers?

🙏

[wicked flicker]

out of time necrotic wake +8 and I was lower ilvl than both of these dps how do these people get such high rio score? We couldn't beat 2nd boss because their dps was so ridiculously low

[exotic turtle]

What % with 4pc do we send BB?

[sand crest]

classic pug non blood dk 2nd nw boss experience

[warm crag]

you dont play around the tier set at all

[humble plover]

You send it with 40 stacks of spymasters

[hushed ocean]

fdk have better ST, better AOE, better utility. Ret are in totally other dimension than us, even bugged rogue were better, next week they will be less bugged. We don't fit well with Aug. Yeah we're cooked. With butter and garlic.

[edgy widget]

funny that what you said isn't really wrong, but is kinda backwards

Ret is fairly strong, but DK is the one in a totally other dimension

[sand crest]

do we not fit well with aug though? I dont feel like thats true

[edgy widget]

meh

[exotic turtle]

You don’t?

[edgy widget]

Aug isn't run in 12+ for the damage benefit so much as the survivability one

[humble plover]

Ok archi what we main swapping to

[warm crag]

Yes

[edgy widget]

what's this "we" business? I ain't one to cut and run

[humble plover]

Hahaha

[sand crest]

ill drop the game before I make an alt

[humble plover]

Me either. Other than that one time in castle nathria

[grave kiln]

and that one time in Nerub'ar Palace

[humble plover]

Nah brood twister fun on fury and I'm sure I'll like queen when we get there

Just gotta deal with the crap between