fury

[sinful spoke]

I read all of it tho

[restive peak]

Everyone read Garms post and comprehend

[slim coral]

The main issue is they cannot buff fury’s damage because of how strong the cds are

[tidal kindle]

If they wanna yap, they wanna yap

[tribal isle]

So how about those changes?

[gaunt moat]

oh damnit luckily he started playing mm recently

[tidal kindle]

Best I can do is try to inform

[slim coral]

So they gotta rework it

[fading bane]

our mage went fire for ovinax rekill this week, did same dmg as the 2 warriors gg

[tribal isle]

Is ti a buff?

[restive peak]

Or stfu and stop pretending you understand anything, because you don't

[fading bane]

im going arms soon for rekills

[red coral]

You read that and said “I agree fury is perfect for the raid”

[gaunt moat]

thanks for the intel my brother d2

[restive peak]

Fire mage is giga again

[tribal isle]

Or a nerf?

[restive peak]

It's wild

[red coral]

Lmfao

[heavy dock]

Am i hearing this right we are actually getting a buff

And frost still not touched

[slim coral]

Technically by definition yes

[tidal kindle]

.6% aoe

[gaunt moat]

druid heal getting slapped with 4 aura buff is crazy i haven't been looking at healers but damn how behind were they

[fading bane]

TL;DR of the hotfixes for fury is that Thane is viable in keys

thats kinda it

[tidal kindle]

(They wanted to nerf fury aoe btw)

[summer crater]

I haven't checked into fire at all, what was even the problem before they suddenly came to dominate again?

[heavy dock]

Thane still dogshit I presume

[fading bane]

nothing else matters

[restive peak]

Potentially viable*

[feral pine]

GUYS!!!!!

[tribal isle]

So it was a small buff only?

[fading bane]

potentially

[restive peak]

weak, triple buffs, 1 of which was a 6% blanket, pushed them back up

[slim coral]

Let’s rebuff it

[fading bane]

0.6% MT buff

[alpine haven]

As a KSM high tier gamer I will argue against this but I do not understand in game mechanics or buffs or nerfs

[slim coral]

And then we can nerf it again when we feel like it

[tribal isle]

I need a translate in real numbers

[narrow onyx]

looking like it's an option in keys now, but if you don't wanna spec out of slayer you don't have to

[gilded pawn]

wait for archi

[slim coral]

Nothing to argue against

[gaunt moat]

Where is Spongie when we need the 5% buff

[thin cliff]

at least 5

[slim coral]

Fury owns in ksm keys

[tribal isle]

5% buff?

[fading bane]

Fury owns in pisslow keys

[alpine haven]

Im not even fury so that makes it even more fucking funny

[fading bane]

where u onetap a pack

[alpine haven]

Dont talk shit about my keys what the FUCK

[modest condor]

i dont think it's an option anymore, thane is looking giga far ahead in m+

[fading bane]

then u go do chores while waiting for cds

[modest condor]

like 2% st loss for almost 15% aoe gain

[alpine haven]

I even timed two 8s true chad

[heavy dock]

Is it actually?

[gaunt moat]

i'm so hyped about this ngl

[fading bane]

at least thane will give fury some consistant aoe

which used to be our shit

[slim coral]

Show me the money baby

[fading bane]

now we are in dark ages

[restive peak]

This we are excited about if it plays out as we hope

[slim coral]

I’m ready

[restive peak]

I do want to be Thor

[fading bane]

not a fan of aoe burst arc

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

[gaunt moat]

tell them D2

[slim coral]

MT in keys

[sudden tusk]

is that considering only the upcoming changes. or the ptr RB/BT changes

[gaunt moat]

before you used to bring a fury and do 564454 5-mobs packs

[slim coral]

Also triple stormbolt W

[modest condor]

only the ones from next week

[gaunt moat]

and it was the good days

🙏

[fading bane]

always do dmg

[indigo arch]

Not a fan of triple bolt, I like choosing what I put further in stun dr

[restive peak]

I too hate what they've done to us

[indigo arch]

(or starting stun dr on)

[brittle phoenix]

Same

[fading bane]

i want fury to be consistant throughput and arms to feel like CS matters, and rage management being a thing

[storm rune]

Well it actively makes your ST stun worse, so good instinct

[slim coral]

I like the burst aoe I just hate hitting like a noddle outside of them

It’s the same issue warlocks had

[fading bane]

burst aoe is fine

[summer crater]

Thane is already significantly stronger for sustained AOE before the changes (just ultra weak on bosses)

[fading bane]

its just so overindexed into it

thats its the only thing fury does

[young swan]

i like burst aoe when i dont get shotgunned in the face 3 times for design that blizzard implemented and tested for months

[summer crater]

So the extra buff makes it much stronger on AOE and just slightly weaker on bosses

[fading bane]

lower burst increase the sustained dmg

[wheat estuary]

I mean why dont they just increase rampage damage lmao

[fading bane]

i wouldnt say its much stronger on AoE

its buffed for AoE

and buffed more for ST

[heavy dock]

Same why can other classes burst aoe and not pull aggro

[wheat estuary]

like itll increase sustained aoe, ST, without much burst aoe

[slim coral]

They probably will

[fading bane]

its the Thane ST buffs that is the big part

[young swan]

talking about the nerfs, not the threat

[fading bane]

Rampage and Execute jsut dont hit properly

[heavy dock]

Fair but threat is a thing too

[frigid zealot]

become clapper, embrace slow constant dps

[heavy dock]

Just buff rampage idk

[summer crater]

Well yeah, so you're not a noodle as long as you reach a boss

[heavy dock]

Why is it so hard

[fading bane]

p much

[tidal kindle]

Oh is it becoming big pogger frfr?

[slim coral]

Threat is only a thing if you’re a greedy little boy

[fading bane]

the utility from Thane is also nice

better shockwave

[tidal kindle]

Lemme adjust my spamifesto

[indigo arch]

Just revert the nerfs gg ez, other specs catching up anyway

[slim coral]

W spamifesto

[indigo arch]

or caught up rather

[gaunt moat]

one of the thing that annoys me the most is the fact that execute is not over CB/BB in priority i hope they adress this someday

[maiden ingot]

No don't, it'll get hijacked by all the 99% > 1% Debaters and people that perceive our Class/Spec Criticism as being in direct competition with theirs.

[heavy dock]

Sometimes i randomly pull threat with bladestorm after rank hits add for 5 sec

[smoky sigil]

tell that to the pack i used cds on 15seconds after pulling

[fading bane]

with 3x stacks it is, but yes i agree

[heavy dock]

Rarely but it happens lol

[maiden ingot]

And then go nowhere

[fading bane]

execute should just be hardest hitting ability

if they have to make it proc less

or give it a longer cd

that is fine

[slim coral]

Also threat isn’t due to fury

Threat is due to blizzard fucking up threat on tanks

They reworked it so many times

[manic trellis]

"Mountain Thane: Lightning Strikes damage increased by 25%.
Mountain Thane: Ground Current damage increased by 25%.
Mountain Thane: Thorim’s Might causes Lightning Strikes to generate 3 Rage (was 5)."
Is mountain thane viable now?

[eager thorn]

how much diff is thane gonna be to slayer for m+ cos i cba learning new stuff

[indigo arch]

even when tank threat was high fury openers feel like an aoe taunt

[slim coral]

It’s the same thing

[smoky sigil]

those are pretty valuable

[slim coral]

Might be some prio differences here and there but everything is pretty similar

[smoky sigil]

prot warr has to wait 1.5min for that shit

Fury opener is just ever offensive with every defensive, all at once

[wanton saddle]

Realistically if my tank is compentent the only reason I'm dying on opener is a secondary pack coming mid-bladestorm or Odyn's

[summer crater]

Thunder clap and blast are very strong, much stronger than whirlwind, is really the only difference

[eager thorn]

ill just tell ppl im thane in note

and join as slayer

[indigo arch]

thane is literally the same as slayer, clap just replaces ww and sometimes said clap becomes high priority to press

[smoky sigil]

that would actually make you a deciever

[indigo arch]

that's it

[summer crater]

Extra survivability on thane is nice too

[eager thorn]

sauron was a deceiver and he's p cool

[thick fossil]

Ya know, I'd love that to be a glyph for heroic leap.

[smoky sigil]

hot take

[tranquil zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/rwmartin-randymartin-vt-actor007-gandalf-gif-18666669

[forest owl]

clap be clappin yo

[indigo arch]

Know what would save fury? Just make nighthold be a timewalking raid

elisande trinket, gg fury saved

[thick fossil]

@edgy widget Sorry to pester, just wanted to tell you that I basically copy/pasta you're summery of the incoming hotfix on the official forums. Someone was asking how much of a buff/nerf it would be. So I gave em your answer. Hopefully it draws more clicks to your WoWhead stuff for updates.

[heavy dock]

Convergeance of times and draught of souls the dream

[young swan]

draught would be dogshit for current fury btw

same with CoF

[sullen dove]

draught basically mandate

but cooler

[upbeat plume]

yeep battecry is what made those trinkets good

[young swan]

well maybe not dogshit, but certainly not what it was

cdr is always pretty strong and current trinkets kinda blow

[forest owl]

god i loved killing people with draught xD

[steep lynx]

should i be happy with these buffs ?

[forest owl]

like just melting people from 100 to nothing

[summer crater]

If you like mountain thane for dungeons

[steep lynx]

welp guess ima stay prot then

[eager relic]

Where do yall get these numbers

[modest condor]

sims

[snow edge]

Magic 8-Ball surely

[smoky sigil]

i have the unfortunate job of pulling them out of my ass

[forest owl]

sounds messy

[smoky sigil]

it is, buy it a sactifice im willing to make

[eager relic]

@tidal kindle said 9% in his long ass post

[tidal kindle]

Ahead of slayer AoE

If both are running aoe talents

[ornate gust]

So Thane in mythic+ deals +6.6% dps than Slayer?

[tidal kindle]

Edited

[quiet geyser]

No, it will deal roughly 6.6% more in sustained AoE compared to what it use to.

Theres a shit ton of other variables when counting total m+ dmg

[smoky sigil]

like boss damage

where we have to battle the tanks

[marble swift]

listen

ima let you all finish but these nerfs are bullshit and the flavor text names in here defending this dogshit balance by blizzard are either paid or get some joy out of smug disagreement

[modest condor]

it's somewhere between 10% and 15%

[marble swift]

we should be rioting like warlocks

[summer crater]

Yep, and was already significantly stronger for sustained AOE

[modest condor]

i just said almost 15% to make it look better

[smoky sigil]

Thorrior go bang

[summer quail]

[tidal kindle]

Is it this much ahead of slayer in aoe talents, or this much gain from before

Too much confusion yappening

[modest condor]

ahead of slayer in aoe talents

[tidal kindle]

Tyvm

[modest condor]

on aoe damage

the gain from before is in updates channel

[quiet geyser]

Thats sustained AoE tho right?

[summer crater]

6.6% is the gain from before

[modest condor]

but thane was already ahead

[tidal kindle]

@modest condor am i misinfoing anything

[covert void]

excited to try thane, haven't yet. my concern is more the lack of balancing with other classes. do they need another 3 weeks of data to nerf some?

[modest condor]

so now it's even further ahead

[tidal kindle]

Bottom half

[summer crater]

Yes

[smoky sigil]

They need 6months worth for mage, dks and rets sadly

oh, oops

new tier

[modest condor]

idk how weak our sustain aoe is as thane tbh

[nimble ermine]

surely next week dk nerfs

[modest condor]

otherwise the wall of text looks fine

[smoky sigil]

[tidal kindle]

[eager relic]

So why is it not just Thane all day if its that much higher in aoe

[tidal kindle]

Will curate further before (if) I make forum post

[eager relic]

And only 2% less st

[subtle rock]

whats the proper sim settings for M+?

[modest condor]

i think you can reword this tho

• looking at an ST Thane is about 2% behind

[novel silo]

then end of season comes, oops mage is part of god comp, can't nerf it so people can push title still, oops

[smoky sigil]

its gonna be thane

[tidal kindle]

Because the raid is burst aoe, which thane doesn't do as well

[modest condor]

something like "on dungeon bosses thane will be about 2% behind"

[smoky sigil]

unlucky guys, gl next expac warrios

[restive peak]

Because thane loses a ton of ST, and bosses still matter

[eager relic]

Im saying overall not just raid

[ornate gust]

I agree with you. Other classes spit facts up front! No fancy wording!

[restive peak]

Esp in a season where tyrann is permanent

[eager relic]

A ton? They said 2%

[smoky sigil]

2%

[modest condor]

yeah that looks good

[restive peak]

That's with the upcoming buffs added in

[smoky sigil]

and thats with optimal play, im guessing thane is easier to get good uptime

[restive peak]

Unless I've missed something

[eager relic]

Yes that's what im speaking on

[restive peak]

No I mean the RB+BT 11.0.5 buffs

[summer crater]

"This does not include other previously announced PTR changes, including reducing Overwhelmed to 10 stacks, buffing baseline Bloodthirst/Raging Blow, or reducing Odyn's Fury/Thunderous Roar soft target caps."

[modest condor]

these numbers are only from next week's changes

[restive peak]

Ah, good then

We get to be thor finally at least

[young swan]

thane ascending (bad)

[modest condor]

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

Me on Tuesday

[modest condor]

im gonna miss slayer

always been a bigger fan of slayer than of thane

[young swan]

i dont much like the way thane plays

[smoky sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cosplay-thor-jack-black-custome-gif-20281552

[eager relic]

Slayer is def the fantasy

So cringe

[ornate gust]

If Thane is like 10% to 15% dps increase than Slayer in AoE fights, then it is Thane in mythic+! Playing Slayer in this case doesn’t make sense

[covert void]

I enjoyed slayer, would've happily played it the entire season but nope, that's not how blizzard balancing works

[summer crater]

Thane also has better survivability

[modest condor]

yes, it's gonna be thane in m+ next week

[smoky sigil]

and lightning strikes

[eager relic]

I'll still play it because fuck it

[summer crater]

Like you almost constantly have a buff that makes you take 8% less damage

[honest sundial]

slayer > thane (when i don't die because of it)

[smoky sigil]

• defensive stance for us bottom feeding leeches

so much defensiveness

[young swan]

yo lowkye

fury gonna be even MORE unkillable than it already is

on shit like ovinax, ansurek

[eager relic]

Here come the copers

[young swan]

cause ur just gonna play thane

and be immortal

lmfao

[restive peak]

We hate avoiding puddles, this is good

[smoky sigil]

Next week, fury takes 15% more damage from all sources

[young swan]

ah yes

legion enrage

good times

[smoky sigil]

We've seen some fury warrior surviving and thriving so we nerfed that shit

[ornate gust]

ROFL … don’t give them ideas

[modest condor]

you really think you're gonna play thane on ovinax?

feel like slayer burst is more helpful

[covert void]

you know what, after all the shit lately I'm kinda hype to try it next week. Hopefully it's good

[smoky sigil]

none of this positive attitude in here, doom or go

[restive peak]

Listen man, just hear me out

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

I rest my case

[young swan]

I think you definitely can with raid buff + more gear

[midnight kite]

Thane is less burst meaning you gain a lot of damage from cutting [Release Spirit] out of your opener

[dry hawk]

this is us right now

https://tenor.com/view/cupcakeplsno-gif-6390178062033116258

[smoky sigil]

good point, im sold

[oblique trail]

Thane does not have the ability to just leap out and break root by charging

I will not swap

[opaque falcon]

Are we back boys? Or naw

[smoky sigil]

actually made me laugh way more than it should've

[young swan]

if u think thane is cool ur pogging out otherwise basically nothing changes

[opaque falcon]

I don’t think I’ve ever played thane on fury

[dry hawk]

RB/Execute. yet still trash

[midnight kite]

I have tried AM in keys but not thane

[young swan]

we effectively gain like 15% on sustained aoe because thane got buffed enough to stop playing slayer in aoe

[ornate gust]

What will be Thane rotation in mythic + then?

[smoky sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

[covert void]

I intentionally didn't play it thinking when it was the better spec in a future season it would be fresh and fun.

[opaque falcon]

So thane for m+?

[young swan]

press tblast when it procs, otherwise normal rotation

[forest owl]

time to shoot thunderbolts out our arses boys

[covert void]

it replaces whirlwind right? bet that's so satisfying.

[young swan]

for higher keys its very likely, its worth noting that thane isnt as bursty as slayer so it benefits from higher healthpools

[ornate gust]

How do we cleave without using WW?

[midnight kite]

TC replaces WW idk when to prioritize TB over other skills but a large chunk of thanes power is just making BT/RB/Ramage do more damage

[wind torrent]

Doesn’t TB stack?

[midnight kite]

You can hold up to 2 I think

[summer quail]

thunderblast>everything(as long as enraged)

[covert void]

I'm getting kind of annoyed of been scared to press the big bursty button sometimes. Some tanks just aren't ready 😂

[slim coral]

Nah thane ST is too bad for ovinax imo

[modest condor]

you play aoe build on ovinax tho

and in aoe build thane is only barely behind

[restive peak]

^

The bigger issue is that the adds, a lot of them anyway, die giga quick

[midnight kite]

actually I forgot the part where thane has more defensive benefit

[slim coral]

I mean maybe but we kill it before eggs in p3

[restive peak]

But for spiders thane seems giga

[slim coral]

So we need all the damage

Even if it’s only a few mil

[eager relic]

Ggs peeps. I'll try Thane on my alt next week. Hopefully it doesn't feel too unejoyable

[young swan]

what 💀

[slim coral]

But we are on ovinax farm now so maybe I can fuck around with it a few pills

[young swan]

just do the eggs

[slim coral]

I do what my RL says

If he says send it I SEND IT

[modest condor]

full singletarget slayer ignore the adds

[young swan]

yeah i mean hes on his 4th reform

so

[modest condor]

wait who is your RL

[slim coral]

Revolt

[modest condor]

never heard of

[slim coral]

He’s pretty chill

[young swan]

he lives pretty close to me

funny enough

[slim coral]

Gm of fierce highest they got was 10th in SOTFO

[slim coral]

[young swan]

what do u mean by killing it before the p3 eggs

like u skip the entire 3rd section

or

3rd set of eggs in the 3rd section

[slim coral]

We nuke the boss only break first 2 eggs

[fluid cedar]

so once this next wave of bt/rb buffs comes thru we are all thane/am shilling? should i stack the fk out of haste too? hmm

[cedar tulip]

Just want to confirm that with reckless abandonment crushing blow and bloodbath take prio over rampage when you’re already enraged. Is this correct?

[quartz matrix]

Yeah but you ended up with like a 1-2% wipe doing that when you may have killed it Tuesday without trying that strat 🙂

[slim coral]

1% wipe was because people died

Just play better

[young swan]

surely its better to just play the extra minute

[tawdry bane]

Never again will I make a joke in the presence of a non-brown name. Inshallah glory to Skyhold

[forest owl]

pro tip: you kill the boss if you dont die. yw

[tidal kindle]

Oh you don't know

[midnight kite]

Struggling with a tough foe? Remember, just keep your Health above 0 while lowering your enemy's Health to 0. Works every time!

[slim coral]

Maybe but I’m not a strategist or RL

[young swan]

idk just seems fake to me

[modest condor]

only downside is that thane cant play second wind

kinda grown to like second wind in m+

[slim coral]

I mean he has expectations but he’s chiller than my last few gms lmao

[tidal kindle]

Okay you definitely don't know

[midnight kite]

Second wind is hit or miss but some dungeons its really good yeah

[slim coral]

Midnights will forever haunt me

[modest condor]

had a run where healer died on first boss in stonevault and i lived the whole fight with no heals because second wind healed me up between every aoe

[quartz matrix]

Do you enjoy having to do a short answer assignment for each boss?

[midnight kite]

City of threads I dont even need a healer on the last boss (tbh this is also largely on spell reflect)

[modest condor]

lol yeah spell reflect is so broken on that fight

people taking 50mil damage from splice

[young swan]

i do not know this lore lmfao

[midnight kite]

Only real damage is the slam and webs and second wind patches that up easily

[forest owl]

wait there's a spell reflect on last boss CoT?

[modest condor]

i actually find 3rd boss more scary than last boss in cot

[quartz matrix]

Gotta pass the quiz or your ride the pine

[midnight kite]

uhh third boss of SoB also comes to mind as "damage is infrequent so second wind wins"
third boss of city the heal absorbs also dont deal damage so second wind just eats through them

[young swan]

💀

[slim coral]

Never done that I hear Imperative is doing that

[young swan]

thats good shit

[modest condor]

they do tho dont they

[young swan]

were u in for the tier where they raided 7 days in a row for US10?

[modest condor]

pretty sure it's a dot while the absorb is on you

[midnight kite]

unsure but I am pretty sure second wind dosent fall off

[young swan]

or after that

[modest condor]

yeah that could be possible

anyway dungeon in starting afk

[midnight kite]

I will say I did not check recently but early in the xpac it was the case

[slim coral]

This is my first tier

[young swan]

the other guy

[slim coral]

Oh

[young swan]

seems to have knowledge

[midnight kite]

maby my healer forgot to stop logging and I can check

[quartz matrix]

My knowledge is second-hand

[young swan]

I see

[feral ivy]

question with the upcoming buffs should i still learn arms for sikran and queen or just stay with fury? (mythic)

[young swan]

nah second wind goes through the heal absorb orb

[slim coral]

Play fury

[young swan]

found that tech very quickly

actually sick tech

[slim coral]

I will say raiding with Leandro’s is goated

Bro is good vibes

[buoyant salmon]

god bless leandros

[slim coral]

He’s the best healer I’ve ever played with

No cap

Bro knows how to spot heal in like 0.5 seconds

[buoyant salmon]

brother if you mentioned spot healing to him in abberus it was an instant crashout

[eager thorn]

what is spot healing

[buoyant salmon]

specifically healing 1 target

when its needed

[slim coral]

lol he had to bop me for a while on ovinax I kept ripping aggro the first few nights

[eager thorn]

i see

[finite hare]

I heard there's more fury nerfs coming this tuesday..and it's different from the 11.05 nerfs?

[grim scroll]

if i play with treacherous transmitter..should i wait to have my buff ( after doing the task ) to pop my CD or should i pop every thing and just get my buff during my cd ? i feel something i waiting too long when im doing the task

[slim coral]

Yes wait

[eager thorn]

well if u pop ur cds before buff you dont get the 15k strength

[tender sky]

You have a lot of time to pop the buff so you can pop the trinket fairly early

[eager thorn]

ye its 15s after activating

i wish the stand in circle one procced a bit faster though

[slim coral]

@buoyant salmon

Thoughts?

[spare steppe]

everyone knows blind people cant drive

[edgy widget]

👍 that's fine

[north yew]

the stand in circle one is the reason i stopped using mine

[eager thorn]

i dont mind it that much

[dry hawk]

how do you kill this shit?

[eager thorn]

it just takes noticably longer than the others

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-high-five-shiba-inu-puppy-gif-13852681

[north yew]

its great for fight starts but to many times mid fight i straight up wasnt able to get the buff active

[feral ivy]

im looking at logs why do thane use ravager vs slayer use BS? m+

[young swan]

slayer doesnt work without BS, in a vacuum ravager is just better

[edgy widget]

BS deals more damage and deals damage faster, but Ravager allows Thane to continue pressing its (very powerful) Thunder Blast without overcapping charges - unless time is a factor, this makes Ravager generally better

[warm crag]

did you see the fury nerfs

[feral ivy]

tyty

[feral ivy]

tyty

[young swan]

i saw the thane buffs

[warm crag]

they nerfed fury for the 2 billionth time

why would they do this?

[edgy widget]

So hypothetically, if you were playing Thane on something like Rasha'nan or Queen, you might take Bladestorm anyway (because time is a factor), but in terms of raw throughput, Ravager allows you to stack TBlast + Ravager's damage

[edgy widget]

if you saw #updates-midnight, it's not really a nerf (for Fury)

[north yew]

ah i see bladestorm is still king for fast burst aoe, but ravager with thane is more dmg overall

[warm crag]

how will i doom though

i must edit a bush picture of another nerf hitting fury immediately

when is this hitting anyways on weekly reset?

[fringe ice]

yes

[warm crag]

doubt this will change raid tbf

[edgy widget]

soft caps still coming in 11.0.5

[opaque falcon]

How to play thane? Just add thunderclap in rotation? Lol

[proper onyx]

it still seems as if it will feel like a nerf for our purposes in raid. losing bladestorm damage to gain more whirlwind cleave and st doesn't seem as useful for brood/queen

[fringe ice]

and prio bb

[quiet geyser]

what?

[feral ivy]

is there a massive diff in m+ with thane vs slayer or is it ehh with the upcoming buffs?

[edgy widget]

Culling Cyclone doesn't work the way you think it works

[warm crag]

culling cyclone is an ST talent

[buoyant salmon]

no comment

[quiet geyser]

archy fan of long swords when 😦

[slim coral]

What is the braille bit about what’s the lore

[edgy widget]

when they completely overhaul or add new talents to Slayer?

[feral ivy]

i remeber playing beta and was arms warrior in s4 so playing thane felt like playing arms thunderclap a lot

[quiet geyser]

[edgy widget]

read the guide!

[buoyant salmon]

ive been in 4 car accidents, 3 of them werent even remotely my fault (twice rear ended at stop lights, once struck by a wheel that fell off a car on the highway) and one was legally my fault

[summer quail]

i still think slayer should have had extra execute damage over rb/op

[summer crater]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-cool-cool-gif-25511483

[edgy widget]

it should

replace Slayer's Malice with +Execute damage when the target is below 35%

[quartz tulip]

bring back legion gameplay

bladestorm helm and execute ring

[warm crag]

make execute cost rage ty

[slim coral]

glad you’re ok but 4 is wild

[tawdry bane]

❌

[buoyant salmon]

i got rear ended twice in a week in two different halves of california

dogshit drivers in my state

[sudden tusk]

if you get into 4 more you can change your name to Ocho

[quartz tulip]

the problem is calfiornia

[warm crag]

cowards afraid of spending rage on anything other than rampage for the 24th iteration in ar ow

[opaque falcon]

Bring back legion execute

[tawdry bane]

wait youre so based for that

[opaque falcon]

Stack to 99

[quiet geyser]

we like to be enraged.

[eager thorn]

i love using 10 rage to use impending victory mid raid fight tyvm

[charred elk]

anyone else having issues with their Bladestorm WA sayin its off CD but its not actually off CD?

[warm crag]

ye

[eager thorn]

could be due to m+ affix?

[warm crag]

dunno how to fix it and its a xalatath affix issue so i do not care to fix it

[quartz tulip]

you think anyone in here yapping about fury warrior still plays warrior to know if their WA for Bladestorm works or not

[summer quail]

stack to 99 is so cringe. the better geared people are the less damage you do

[charred elk]

yeah I assumed it was that, kinda annoying

[quartz tulip]

we all rerolled ret

or fdk

[eager thorn]

only losers reroll

[slim coral]

Blaming healers and now drivers?! Smh

[quartz tulip]

warrior is dead class dead game dead season

time to run this tcg shop

[eager thorn]

warrior is best dps

[quiet geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-not-amused-not-funny-stare-gif-23429088

[warm crag]

lol

[quartz tulip]

I GOT A CUSTOMER ALREADY

come shop i got a mad selection of classes and specs better than this brown crap color

[dry hawk]

Is there a Delve Miniboss guide or is this just "pop everything and delete it"

[sick jungle]

they should give thane utility

just gimme a aoe sucky sucky or something

[quartz tulip]

id rather they just give thane the delete button

[sick jungle]

sucking roar

[warm crag]

Will to survive on your main ability and CD bar goes hard

[slim coral]

I mean warrior has shockwave on a 20 second cd

That’s pretty op

[quartz tulip]

hold up im going to write a long post about what i think about the state of warriors

[summer crater]

Avoid frontal and hit it

From what I remember of that one you just need to interrupt the cast and move out of the circle

[dry hawk]

lmao... what frontal...

[summer crater]

Not very advanced

[unreal wasp]

is there a WA to track out tierset?

[warm crag]

No point to

[quartz tulip]

This is it, i am letting my sub lapse, and im quitting, honeymoon phase was already over, and now i literally CANT get into m+ groups because there is no reason to take a warrior over ret, fdk, or enhance. The incompetence is equal parts staggering and frustrating, they clearly, no joke, have no clue what they are even doing anymore.

Thanks blizz, maybe ill be back when you start rebuffing warrior back to middle of the pack.

idk since the new expansion start blizzard apply nerfs to warriors in every patch, im playing warrior like 12 years ago and consider to change class makes me a little bit sad and thinking that im not able to play the class that i like because is not a "meta class/spec" or even playable. Now try to get an invite in +9 keystone is literally a hell. Since a while im kind bored about play the class that blizzard want to you to play it. Pure sadness here.

[unreal wasp]

why not?

[tidal kindle]

Doesn't affect decisions

So why track

[distant geyser]

This is it, i am letting my sub lapse, and im quitting, honeymoon phase was already over, and now i literally CANT get into m+ groups because there is no reason to take a warrior over ret, fdk, or enhance. The incompetence is equal parts staggering and frustrating, they clearly, no joke, have no clue what they are even doing anymore.

Thanks blizz, maybe ill be back when you start rebuffing warrior back to middle of the pack.
idk since the new expansion start blizzard apply nerfs to warriors in every patch, im playing warrior like 12 years ago and consider to change class makes me a little bit sad and thinking that im not able to play the class that i like because is not a "meta class/spec" or even playable. Now try to get an invite in +9 keystone is literally a hell. Since a while im kind bored about play the class that blizzard want to you to play it. Pure sadness here.

[warm crag]

Doesn't affect our playstyle

[summer crater]

With your gear level I'd probably try to get the other mobs killed by the spores while you're on defensives

[warm crag]

Unless you want bloat on your ui I'm not gonna stop you

[quartz tulip]

I genuinely hope a WoW dev reads these comments because I can't quite grasp how hard they are fucking this class due to the burst AOE, like the WarcraftLogs don't lie? Do they think these numbers are pulled out of a hat? It baffles me that I can hit 1.3m DPS on Rashanan and yet be still be barely a purple parse. Ok so I go full ST for that fight. Now the adds take so much longer in relation to the fight that everyone suffers. And don't even get me started on keys. It's a joke, especially in pug groups. How am I meant to know how big a tank is going? All the damage is through burst and if I have no CDs for a massive pull then its even worse. Or I save CDs for bosses on Tyran but the tank is taking 3 mobs at a time so ???????? They need to take a good hard look at this class and actually consult mathematicians for spec balance. LOSING ST DPS in a patch designed to buff it is window-licking levels of goof.

[acoustic yoke]

How much is tier value now?

[warm crag]

It's not too hard to make a WA that tracks some auras

[slim coral]

Uh idk how to tell you this but getting into groups just comes down to io

[dry hawk]

I saw the frontal now, I just dont live long enough to it

[warm crag]

🎣

[tidal kindle]

Like 3-3.5%

Headmath

[velvet obsidian]

Wait, are those buffs on the horizon? Like actual buffs? Are we saved?

[slim coral]

I’m bored

[acoustic yoke]

Did you just copypasta twice?

[distant geyser]

are we not taking OF in ST anymore?

[warm crag]

Finally my guild will give me tier!!!!!

[young swan]

we werent doing that for a while now

[young swan]

only for thane, net-0 change for slayer

[warm crag]

Ye of in st was like a preseason thing

[acoustic yoke]

Didn't expect a lot but somehow still disappointed

Thnx for the maffs though

[sinful kraken]

Does binding of binding count as an embellishment or not

[quartz tulip]

At this point I don’t see why I shouldn’t just class change to paladin. More male range, damage, and utility than warrior and yet warrior keeps getting nerfed. Why even make the class if they don’t want anyone to play it?

[midnight kite]

I can get a rough estimate on tier

[distant geyser]

ok, better question because I realize my previous one was dumb
Are we taking it in light aoe

like for example
Ansurek

[young swan]

ofc

[distant geyser]

ok

that;s what i thought

[warm crag]

If there's more than 1 enemy you always talent aoe

[distant geyser]

cause of the platforms

ok

[quartz tulip]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[summer crater]

Pinkpilled

[modest condor]

did you ask chatgpt to write an angry copypasta?

[quartz tulip]

THESE ARE ALL FROM CRITCAKES VIDEO

LMAO

[warm crag]

I think they are forum or YouTube comments

[sinful kraken]

ROFL

[modest condor]

oh lol

[acoustic yoke]

Lmao

[dry hawk]

no need to caps

[quartz tulip]

im fucking pissing

[slim coral]

ChatGPT silm prompt

[sudden tusk]

still fresh in my mind

[warm crag]

I got baited like 2 days ago it was really good

[velvet obsidian]

Can I start coping though? They stopped outright nerfing us, and I've been dooming for awhile now I wanna believe again

[quartz tulip]

i hit a massive blinkerton daniel and went and read his comments

i havent laughed so hard in my life

[summer crater]

Well, anniversary patch is still coming

[young swan]

cautious optimism at best

[warm crag]

Fury is dead and does less st damage than Aug

[proper onyx]

i get that it's not much damage, but rampage is ~3% of parasite damage on broodtwister on top logs. they are supposed to be dead during bladestorm really

[warm crag]

I am very smart

[slim coral]

Hey everyone, it’s Silmarilen here. I can’t believe the latest nerfs to Fury Warriors. It feels like we’re getting hit hard, and it’s frustrating. We’ve worked so hard to optimize our gameplay, and now it feels like they’re taking away our edge. The damage just isn’t where it used to be, and it’s impacting our performance in both PvE and PvP. I just don’t get why they’d choose to nerf us when we were finally starting to find our footing. It's disheartening, and I know many of you are feeling the same way. What are your thoug

[unreal wasp]

I am trying to find a macro to cast recklessness then press again for avatar. Any idea how? Sorry to bug

[inner zinc]

kinda wish they would change UF to be more like Sun king Blessing instead of its Rng crap. Every X amount of rampages gives you a recklessness

[velvet obsidian]

Can't do cautious, only reckless dooming or reckless hopium

[modest condor]

what are your thoug

[warm crag]

what are your thoug

[young swan]

just contine dooming then

[warm crag]

Classic silm line

[velvet obsidian]

Back to the bog

[young swan]

these changes are nice but im still not happy

minor victory

[pseudo marlin]

think its better to tank or dps?

[nimble ermine]

heal

[pseudo marlin]

ive been 610 since week1-2 pretty sure lol

[edgy widget]

What does Rampage have to do with Culling Cyclone? Parasites also sometimes infest and respawn, sometimes don't get pulled in immediately - lots of reasons you don't always kill them during Bladestorm

[midnight kite]

I assume in regard to brutal finish

[proper onyx]

I just mean if we're losing any bladestorm damage and the alternative is BF which doesn't help, then we're just losing add damage

[edgy widget]

Brutal Finish wasn't a subject of the conversation

again, Culling Cyclone doesn't work the way you think it works - it's a 20% (now 10%) increase to the base amount of damage done by bladestorm, divided by each additional target hit

So if, hypothetically, Bladestorm dealt 1,000 damage to 1 target, or 5,000 damage to 5 targets, Culling Cyclone would still only add 200 damage in either case

[nimble ermine]

culling cyclone good st, bad aoe

ovinax is add fight

[delicate yacht]

How do you buff furys single target damage without buffing AOE?

[edgy widget]

many, many ways

[gaunt moat]

reduce the % of whirlwind cleave

[midnight kite]

change the -45% auto attack damage to any number lower then 45

[mellow smelt]

real warriors don’t reroll cus they can’t read patch notes

[gaunt moat]

add dmg to st spells

[delicate yacht]

Interested in hearing your thoughts

[nimble ermine]

equally you can just buff the st and leave the % of ww alone

and see where it lands us

[coarse moon]

Hey arch, what did you mean in the update when you said todays change announcements were better for gameplay?

[gaunt moat]

i'm so hyped to play thane, the dopamine when you break the ground

[pulsar quest]

what if i told u that u could play thane right now

and get instant accepted to every key

[nimble ermine]

by playing prot of course

[pulsar quest]

where theres a will theres a way

[gaunt moat]

as a fellow Eddie myself, i'd tell you i don't enjoy tanking!

[pseudo marlin]

the will to press the decline button

[edgy widget]

just as an example of this, on the first set of Broodtwister adds, my Bladestorm hit ~16 enemies
divided among those 16 enemies, that "200" extra damage is an extremely small amount of extra damage to each - while yes that technically means less damage from Bladestorm, it is such an insignificantly small amount of damage that it will have no practical effect on your ability to kill them or not

What you should be a lot more worried about is the impact of the reduced target caps in 11.0.5, because that's going to make Fury DPS fall like a shit from heaven

[pulsar quest]

i actually havent tried thane fury yet, does it flow well like slayer

or does it feel clunky

[summer crater]

To me it feels smooth

I like hard-hitting thunders too

[edgy widget]

it's a little clunkier, though not unfun - the rotation can be very chaotic, especially during CDs where you have a bunch of different buttons and procs lighting up all at once

[restive peak]

We love thunder

[gaunt moat]

it feels like you become an actual god of thunder during the burst

[proper onyx]

Believe me I'm already worried about the cap changes, just worried about losing even half a percent of bladestorm damage because of how tight the add dps is with some comps. You've convinced me it's probably negligeable

[gaunt moat]

and that's all i need

[summer crater]

Thunder blast is a blast

[nimble ermine]

me zug, me smash thunder

[pulsar quest]

Sounds like its worth trying after 1 more round of nerfs

crazy that slayer is still ahead of it

after all of this

[fringe island]

thunder is literally the same rotation just change whirlwind to thunder and youre chillen

[restive peak]

Not exactly

[summer crater]

It's also much stronger

[nimble ermine]

you prio thunder

[restive peak]

Outside procs yes

[summer crater]

So often prio over single-target abilities

[pulsar quest]

Imo, as much as i dont want us nerfed, the fact that slayer is still ahead of both hero specs for arms and fury, kinda says something about the tuning

[gaunt moat]

thunderblast is higher priority

[summer crater]

Even just regular thunder clap is quite strong

[pulsar quest]

I guess in a way it makes sense to tune it so the hero specs are a bit closer, but honestly it sucks to drag the whole class down with it to middle of the pack again

[gaunt moat]

The issue we talked about with archim when they buffed slayer, they'll buff mountain thane too hard making it too strong on tank, then they'll buff colossus too hard making it too strong on arms, then they'll buff slayer too hard, making it too strong on fury

[nimble ermine]

we must suffer for the sins of heroic week

[gaunt moat]

they should make spec specific buff for heroic talents dunno how they coded everything tho

[tidal kindle]

Unfettered dooming because while the numbers work out, the ideology/process is maldable

(Just me though)

[pulsar quest]

It does feel a bit crazy to me, that we get nerfed based off of really just the raid fight mechanics

You design like, more than half the raid to be around killing adds

And as quick as you can

[nimble ermine]

i mean they couldnt let fury just do what it did in the raid

[pulsar quest]

And then you nerf the burst aoe spec haha

[nimble ermine]

without just changing the fights themselves

[random bramble]

Is mountain thane viable for high level content though? like 10+s. Ive been thinking of trying it but im not sure if its worth trying

[pulsar quest]

Yeah

[gaunt moat]

next week probably

[pulsar quest]

I mean some tuning was warranted 100%

[young swan]

will prob be the default come tuesday/wednesday

[gaunt moat]

this week is kinda gimping your st

[midnight kite]

Post buffs it is looking to be good in keys

[pulsar quest]

Fury was going crazy...but

[nimble ermine]

but as im saying this, fdk is just untouched

[pulsar quest]

So was frost DK and maybe i missed it but

[nimble ermine]

so i guess it;s just some bias

[gaunt moat]

especially in heavy packs non stop dungeons

like stonevault

the dream

[pulsar quest]

Like, liquid at one point ran 4 frost dks in brood lol

THATS a problem

[nimble ermine]

i think fdk didnt have time to shine in hc

because fury just ate every add

in mythic it's entirely different

[summer crater]

And enhance extremely strong even with some nerfs

Well, nerfs that were supposed to hit way harder than for us

[nimble ermine]

yea it's weird tuning but what can you do

[pulsar quest]

Dude in normal boosts

We did yesterday lol

I literal;ly solod adds

on almost all boss fights

like bloodbound, i said nobody else go down

just a tank and me

and i solod every set lmao

[nimble ermine]

yep

[gaunt moat]

i really hope they won't put the target cap on our aoes, else they must give us a really HARD buff

[pulsar quest]

So like, fury is definitely king in lower content still

[gaunt moat]

[pulsar quest]

But hurting the mythic prog really sucks

[mossy fox]

that just looks like im checking my phone lmao

[pulsar quest]

When fights like brood are REALLY hard

[nimble ermine]

i mean look at pres evoker

imagine they nuked them before mythic prog started

[pulsar quest]

Dude what sucks even worse for brood too

Is that its weakaura shit

We lost literally an hour and a half when the weakaura pack updated this week

for the nerfs

it wasnt marking anymore

we had to literally get reloe to show us how to delete a line of code to fix it, and then revert to an old version

Sucks to have bosses that kinda rely on weakauras too tho tbh

[nimble ermine]

yeah it's a bit counterintuitive design

[edgy widget]

the add damage really isn't that tight, and I'm being incredibly adamant here in telling you that you cannot get that invested in tuning

[lone apex]

are they really nerfing us x3
this cant be real

[nimble ermine]

yeah man fury is dedge time to reroll etc.

[tidal kindle]

This wasn't a fury nerf

Though

[lone apex]

its a warrior nerf

[slim coral]

Hey hey let him cook

[tidal kindle]

True

[edgy widget]

Tuning a game with as complex a combat system as WoW is an incredibly broad discipline; no matter how good, bad, well intentioned, or not some changes may be, you cannot get over invested in miniscule losses/gains; even the 1% ST damage Arms lost is effectively nothing from a practical standpoint

Just because we can measure such small differences doesn't mean you should focus on them; if you do, you're gonna drive yourself mad

[tidal kindle]

Yes chef!

[wispy bridge]

Just make execute great again Bilzzard Pls 🙏

[nimble ermine]

people see a number change and think it's the end of the world

even tho we got some really nice buffs

[lone apex]

but its not a miniscule loss

its massive

[slim coral]

How massive appa

[nimble ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-toilet-gif-19649855

[mossy fox]

nah these latest changes are definitely overall good changes unless you're 1 tricking arms

[nimble ermine]

so true pookie

[safe fossil]

Legion warrior rework when

[slim coral]

Can you give us a percent

[lone apex]

lmao

[edgy widget]

we're talking about Culling Cyclone, not the target caps

[lone apex]

-20 ZUG ZUG

[pulsar quest]

I think like I said earlier, they were kinda needed, it just sucks because now it FEELS like we are getting picked on

Like if you just keep seeing FURY NERFS AHHHHH you get upset

[slim coral]

Damn -20 percent is massive

[nimble ermine]

ah i cannot believe we just got a 20% aura nerf

[restive peak]

1 tricking arms

[edgy widget]

The target caps will be a huge loss for Fury on Broodtwister - I definitely don't like it on that fight, but it is understandable why they're doing it

[lone apex]

aura nerf indeed

[pulsar quest]

Lowkey ive been feeling like a arms main lately

Arms on rash, nexus, sikran, silken

Its messing with my brain....

[nimble ermine]

make fury st good by adding a nuclear warhead ability

[pulsar quest]

upvote

[nimble ermine]

let me throw 20 sunfury arcane mages at the boss when pressing reck

[mossy fox]

it's interesting how these changes are coming with the reset - what about the other changes on the ptr?

[pulsar quest]

I was curious about the same thing

[slim coral]

They aren’t done hopefully

[nimble ermine]

maybe they don't want to put in the target cap?

possibly an overreaction

[pulsar quest]

Im curious if they are just testing the water

[safe fossil]

Feels like they are just killing the niche with these changes combined. I don't feel like any warrior spec will have any intriguing niche after the changes come in

[nimble ermine]

would definitely be nice to get the RB and BT % increase though

[safe fossil]

Execute is underwhelming these days

[lone apex]

I just think its unfair that we are getting nerfed when in reality our damage falls off crazyy without CDs

[nimble ermine]

fury will still have its niche though

[pulsar quest]

Well tbh execute has been underwhelming for a while

Execute as of the last few tiers has just felt like a "Build for big MS" button

[lone apex]

M+ high keys is going to be hard to pug now as fury

[pulsar quest]

and as fury i honestly could care less about execute most of the time

[delicate yacht]

Crit gearing a DK alt shows how dire this situation is

[lone apex]

lmao

[edgy widget]

Fury will still be very good at sniping adds on Rasha/Queen, and not even strictly bad at Broodtwister... it just won't keep up with DKs anymore!

[nimble ermine]

would be nice if our execute actually did damage

[pulsar quest]

What adds on rash

[nimble ermine]

rash is a st fight silly!

[pulsar quest]

i stopped seeing those on my plater around a week ago

[edgy widget]

the adds you should kill so your tank doesn't die

[delicate yacht]

The adds that don't count towards logs

[pulsar quest]

My guild actually made me go arms on that fight ironically

[lusty jungle]

gettin nerfed so many times im developing a degradation kink

[edgy widget]

TBF that's WCL fault, not Blizzard's

[pulsar quest]

I was going to stay fury so we didnt have to worry lol

[polar crag]

[pulsar quest]

And they asked me to go arms

[tranquil zenith]

There's also a lot of players who don't even raid and just do M+

[pulsar quest]

Ngl i kinda blasted

[digital mauve]

Is the aura nerf on pve or mvp?

[dapper goblet]

@buoyant salmon remember to not let anyone gaslight you about s2 df warrior

[digital mauve]

*pvp

[tranquil zenith]

So nerfing the spec based on raid bosses is just going to feel bad for M+ players

[pulsar quest]

I dont wanna be the one to tell you....but m+ players are the side characters..

[nimble ermine]

we just didnt pick the privileged class (dk/mage) so you just gotta live with it

[young swan]

if anything its gonna get easier than it is now

[pulsar quest]

to be fair though, DK isnt a heavy m+ pick either

They are pretty much raid beasts

[edgy widget]

Which is exactly why it warrants a ST/cleave buff to balance out

[pulsar quest]

As much as I hate they arent getting touched rn

[nimble ermine]

fdk is quite solid in m+ tho

same with unh

[wispy bridge]

I am just happy I get to play mountain thane in keys now without trolling

[pulsar quest]

Yeah its OKAY but historically how often is it a popular picked m+ class

not very often

[safe fossil]

It obv will still be good, but it's going to trim the burst aoe gap to such a degree that other classes will be getting rather close if they are playing with intent to snipe them. Not really a niche anymore if you're not excelling at a decent chunk above others. I'd rather they just make some bosses with a decent amount of hp on adds lmao

[pulsar quest]

its AOE is great this tier for sure

[nimble ermine]

i mean yeah im not saying that dk has been like a beast in the past

[edgy widget]

idk about that, DK is very strong in M+, and has a higher pick rate than Warrior

[pulsar quest]

Its not a bad pick for sure

and like right now more than ever

[proper onyx]

fdk is in all of the top runs atm

[pulsar quest]

So like, this tier 100%

[wispy bridge]

Why would you ever pick a warrior when you can take a DK which has BR tbh

[pulsar quest]

I think it will see some love most of this season as it is now

Usually its a pretty unpopular spec for m+ tho

[nimble ermine]

surely dk will not go a whole season not being touched tho

[edgy widget]

I would definitely call FDK meta atm, alongside Ele and Aug (in 12+ keys)

[pulsar quest]

Yeah i agree

100%

[proper onyx]

fdk has a higher representation in 12+ than aug atm

which is beyond absurd

[mossy fox]

dude FDK is so insane

[young swan]

even if frost gets nerfed, unholy is equally broken lmfao

[pulsar quest]

Yeah its crazy

[eternal wolf]

Don’t worry wizards will run m+ meta soon enough

[strong pilot]

Or ret

[pulsar quest]

Uholy bursting spores is insane

[strong pilot]

Uhdk is sleeper op

[pulsar quest]

sores*

[edgy widget]

idk that they will, at least this season - lots of kicks, and they were indirectly nerfed

[pulsar quest]

Feels like a melee season so far

[edgy widget]

Ele kind of an exception because it gets a much more frequent kick than most casters

[pulsar quest]

Prot warriors are good, frost DK is insane

enhance is crazy good

[mossy fox]

this is the dam breakdown in the middle of a dawnbreaker 12 on my 605 dk, pala is 626 and shaman is 625

[wispy bridge]

Unless you play Arakara last boss xD

[hard widget]

Melee tier minus warrior 🙂

[summer crater]

Isn't it more than 3% with the anniversary patch coming too?

[mossy fox]

i felt as tanky as my warrior if not tankier

[soft merlin]

Warrior not top of the dps and offer nothing why take us when u can have somthing with way more dmg + battle rez

[pulsar quest]

Gripcake 🤔 how grippy is it

Sorry uncalled for

[mossy fox]

literally a hero class

[edgy widget]

I never said 3%, so not sure what you're citing there, but the subject of that conversation was specifically the culling cyclone nerf

[strong pilot]

That's crazy

[pulsar quest]

How hard is FDK to play rotation wise

Was it easy to learn

[wispy bridge]

Whats the reason you cant react with emotes in this chat

[strong pilot]

Very easy

[summer crater]

I mean next week and the anniversary patch total single target nerfs

[strong pilot]

Fdk is easy imo

[hard widget]

Dont forget about assa getting like a buff apparently

[summer crater]

Combined

[pliant jackal]

Its weird to start with fdk but its easy

[tidal kindle]

Mage .5 patch

https://tenor.com/9pci.gif

[safe fossil]

Depends massively on what build you play

[pulsar quest]

Breath build right

[hard widget]

Idk man seems pretty easy to me

[pulsar quest]

Thats what I think is giga pumping

[hard widget]

U legit only use 3 rotational buttons

[mossy fox]

it's pretty easy yeah

[tranquil zenith]

depends what build you run. If you run shattered/riders it's real easy

[mossy fox]

but yeah playing breath build

[pliant jackal]

cough* Frost strike during breath *cough

[summer crater]

I'm talking about the 2.3% on ptr + this 1.3% specifically

[tranquil zenith]

You need 3 macros for your pillar and a macro for breath

[mossy fox]

just gotta be good at staying on target

[safe fossil]

If you set it up correctly and your group pulls around breath yeah

[pulsar quest]

Damn, you know I was gonna play as our 2nd dk this tier cause it looked fun. And then we had only 1 warrior so I had to stay

Look at me now

Smh my head

[tranquil zenith]

If you're pugging keys, probs just run shattering blade riders

[edgy widget]

that PTR estimate is no longer accurate, since some of those changes are different in the live hotfix
also Fury did not lose 1.3%, Arms did

[feral ivy]

are u pulling those numbers on ur warrior?

[pliant jackal]

the hardest part is managing your procs during breath

[strong pilot]

What are those ret buffs

Lol

[summer quail]

nahh breath and reapers mark are too strong

[mossy fox]

warrior prolly does the sameish, maybe slightly more

[edgy widget]

the hero they're not playing

[paper aurora]

Guys is it worth equipping 2 set items for the 2set bonus if these items are quite lower ilvl (587 vs 606 non tier pieces)? Also how best to maximize catalyst usgae, should i wait to catalyze a vault piece? Thank you!

[mossy fox]

but that's 21 ilvls higher

[summer crater]

Yeah, I'm talking about arms since you brought up arms

[feral ivy]

isnt that bad.. lol

[pulsar quest]

With a 21 ilvl diff lmao

[tranquil zenith]

It depends. Are you going to be able to get good situations for breath with an uncoordinated pug group?

[pulsar quest]

crazy

[hard widget]

Yes

[frail trout]

I quit playing dk because I wasn't confident I could play breath well on the difficult bosses

for raid

but its so good in m+

[edgy widget]

I didn't bring up arms, I referenced it - again, those estimates are no longer accurate since the PTR changes have changed

[frail trout]

kinda regret

[strong pilot]

Catalyze at 4 pieces if you can

[safe fossil]

There is definitely more skill involved in raid to not drop breath while you play mechanics

[pulsar quest]

I mean I could never give up warrior its my baby...but a good alt maybe DK is the way to go

[summer quail]

yes, they still do some decent pulls. don't see any scenario where you don't run breath and reapers atm

[summer crater]

What changed in the PTR ones?

[solar kestrel]

how is mountain thane after those changes that come out next week?

[paper aurora]

@strong pilot thank you! And should i then equip the lower ilvl pieces? I guess at 4pce its a net dps gain esp after the buffs

[hard widget]

#updates-midnight

[edgy widget]

you can see them in #updates-midnight

[strong pilot]

If you can have the 4pc yeah but ngl our tier set isn't as good as the others anyway

[paper aurora]

Yea thats what I read in the guides. Thanks a lot

[edgy widget]

it'll be a lot better next week, still slightly below average, but no longer bottom barrel at least

[strong pilot]

Good for st and didn't gain any dps for aoe

[strong pilot]

Oh right I read that

[hard widget]

That edit haha

[edgy widget]

what edit?

[strong pilot]

[hard widget]

HAHAHA

[edgy widget]

[paper aurora]

@edgy widget are you at ease sort of with the new changes? Should we rest assured?

[summer crater]

Yeah that's what I used as reference, that's what I'm basing the -3% on, did something else change or are there talent changes that will change things?

[crude ridge]

Thane stonks are up

[edgy widget]

I put some thoughts at the bottom of #updates-midnight

[paper aurora]

Thanks so much

[frail trout]

I wish I didn't suck at raid dk cuz frost is looking so good

[strong pilot]

I did wanna try thane anyway for m+

[gilded pawn]

at least playing thane fury is like playing colossus arms right now, a fun alternative for m+

[edgy widget]

there are new changes, and some of the PTR ones have been adjusted - I'm not going to read them to you, just go look

[frail trout]

I felt it during heroic week that I probably wasn't capable of it

and dropped it right then and there

[hard widget]

M+ and fun, hmm

[crude ridge]

How likely are we thinking the ptr changes stick?

[paper aurora]

I think pretty likely

[delicate yacht]

100% plus more nerfs

[hard widget]

I’d say 69% chance

[gilded pawn]

i meant thane is fun

not m+

[midnight kite]

I would assume overwhelmed change has a moderate chance of being cut if it dident launch with the other slayer changes but will have to just wait and see

[gilded pawn]

dw m+ sitll shit

[hard widget]

Haha

[delicate yacht]

Thane is fun if you like doing +2s and normal raid

[hard widget]

Just wait for the 6 minute boss fight as thane

[paper aurora]

Wait are people actively running m+ before 7 keys? I thought delves were just a lot more effective before that!

[strong pilot]

Does bro know?

[gilded pawn]

well its supposed to be only 0.6% in ST with AOE talents

[hard widget]

I dont think anybody knows what u know

[gilded pawn]

which honestly is fine

if you wanna try it

[strong pilot]

That's crazy cause I don't know shit

[hard widget]

Neither do we

[young swan]

thane

[lime plaza]

I just maxxed my resto shaman alt to 80 today and got hom to 590 ilvl

Healed an ara kara 5 earlier lul

[paper aurora]

Bliz wants a civil war to break out in the warr disc bet thane and slayer lovers 😂 this is intended

[young swan]

i mean i prefer slayer a ton

[paper aurora]

Impressive for a 590 gg!

[young swan]

but its not healthy to have such a large desparity between the two

[lime plaza]

Honestly resto feels op. I can feel the nerf hammer hovering over me.

[chilly fractal]

They did that with S4 of DF

[paper aurora]

I also have a resto ele alt and would love to get into it. Dino where ele stands atm

[lime plaza]

Ele seems decent tbh

Just rarely see it

[paper aurora]

Cuz of enhance op

[verbal dragon]

We running thane m+ and slayer st now?

[soft merlin]

I remember when we were op (that heroic week was all glory for us)

[midnight kite]

I honestly think a part of it is that ele is bad so often they dont have a lot of mains

[paper aurora]

U had a week! Better than none lolol

[strong pilot]

Both specs are cool

[paper aurora]

Good point joseph

[strong pilot]

Good to see Thane not that absurdly behind anymore

[midnight kite]

And even when they were decent or even slightly above mid they brought no raid buff and no windfury

[buoyant salmon]

the ranged dps on neltharion

[buoyant salmon]

too late ive been converted

[eager thorn]

s2 dflight warrior was fun

[lime plaza]

So we thane mains now? I think I missed the mark

[modest condor]

no we just have a choice now

[summer quail]

m+ thaners

[lime plaza]

Im gonna become a thaner then

[tropic gorge]

i would love to play thane dude

it looks cool

[feral ivy]

we gotta get thunderfury before thane becomes op

[sudden tusk]

freedom

[feral ivy]

so we can transmog with it

[edgy widget]

maybe in M+, unlikely in raid

[tidal kindle]

If you don't have the

Gigacomp for Ovinax

Can prob justify it there

Gigacomp = 2fdk + 2fury

[summer quail]

btw i assume this means brutal finish is just better than culling in st?

[tidal kindle]

Prob don't even need 2/2

[edgy widget]

I dunno, Thane still takes time to pump out its damage

[tropic gorge]

that could be good no?

[outer cedar]

Thane will main in M+???

[mossy fox]

yeah slayer profile is prolly too good to pass up on ovinax

[edgy widget]

and it doesn't have much in the off-set, whereas Slayer can drop Bladestorm every set

[tidal kindle]

Oh yah true thane plays rav

[tropic gorge]

thats the worst part of thane

[outer cedar]

Thane... um thane....

[edgy widget]

best case is probably AM + Flashing Skies, so that you could Reck double TBlast each set of spawns

but it would still be less than what Slayer pumps out

[tropic gorge]

you made me smile i been wanting to play AM a lot

[lime plaza]

In gonnaaa Thaneee

[edgy widget]

and you'd still have to wait for TBlast CD (flashing skies doesn't reset it, only Avatar)

[mossy fox]

AM is quite popular to play already on mythic ovinax, not really anywhere else

[outer cedar]

Thane use many skill than slayer right??

[gilded flicker]

how much lost is anger management to reckless abandon for m+?

[soft merlin]

So if im reading this right slayer got nerf but thane still not caught up so no point in switching to thane and we do less dmg ?

[tropic gorge]

yeah but I need more scenarios to rock AM

i fucking love to press buttons

[edgy widget]

I mean even my group, which is way off-meta, the adds tend to die within ~10 seconds, so I don't really see a whole lot of opportunity for Thane's sustain to shine

[mossy fox]

quite a big ST loss, not worth the aoe gain

[gilded flicker]

ty

[tropic gorge]

is that mythic?

[edgy widget]

no its LFR, smh

[tropic gorge]

lmao

[soft merlin]

lol

[mossy fox]

AM is very much back if the BT/RB buffs on PTR go live though

[lime plaza]

Lmao

[crude ridge]

I think once we get the BT and RB buff it will close that gap even more

[edgy widget]

Slayer did not get nerfed (overall) and is still ahead of Thane in raid

BT and RB buff don't benefit Thane more than Slayer either, we also don't know if they're still coming or not

[tropic gorge]

TL:DR you still have to play 2 passive hero talents and keep doing 123

[gilded flicker]

ah, tha's nice

[soft merlin]

lol

[edgy widget]

sadly, AM feels like ass in M+ IMO

[dire vigil]

They broke burst with bladestorm and are tuning around the specific raid fights where it is good. They need to just use Thane to tune our pure ST/consistent AOE.

[edgy widget]

it's worse than colossus for how badly cds desync

[young swan]

its giga shit