fury

[warm bane]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[brittle crow]

thats it boys, thats our compensation buffs for becoming a 5 target spec

pack it up

we main DK now

[sudden tusk]

The changes are good though, and show us trending in the right direction

[lucid parcel]

thane warrior prot buff incoming too?

[elder briar]

Hey, sorry for asking this, maybe its a stupid question and not the right place to ask. I'm fairly new to warrior and I see a lot of people press whirlwind instead of slam in a single target fight (in M+) when you have nothing else to press. can someone maybe explain why this is done? 🫣

[red coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087703892848017479/1257973840953217117/ezgif-4-efd9f1e192.gif

[sudden tusk]

however Frsot DK not getting nerfs is a fucking cry for help

[south kayak]

Yeah those are the last changes we’ll EVER get

[plucky ice]

[south kayak]

[prime tundra]

Guys in a 5+ AOE fights, when whirlwind should be used? only to refresh the autoattacks or if everything else is on cooldown?

[brittle crow]

its over

[slim coral]

Damage reallocation is good for fury it needs it severely

[inland flame]

WW free Slam not

[slim grotto]

whelp since we're zdps I'm going SMF

[lucid parcel]

do on single target

[south kayak]

Real

[lucid parcel]

never on aoe

[tired brook]

arent you supposed to ww st anyways with ww talents

or am i trippin

[south kayak]

Yes

[prime tundra]

yeah to generate rage i guess

but on AOE when should be pressed

because it does hardly any damage

[proud leaf]

every 5th gcd

[tired brook]

aoe you just use it to keep ww stacks up

[prime tundra]

other than restoring 4 charges of auto attack

[north yew]

to refresh ur cleave stacks

thats the only time

[prime tundra]

gotcha

thanks

[elder briar]

thank you 🙂

[south kayak]

True

[prime tundra]

then i should spam rampage + bloodbath to make slayer proc

[inland flame]

Or when you're running away in a panic from a big aoe on your target very important WW time

[smoky sigil]

Damn, it feels good being amogst fellow doomers. in guild discord all i got was multiple lols

[frosty ibex]

hello guys just want to know

we got nerfed or buffed ? :p

[north yew]

WW has a longer range than your other atks so u can use it when u arent able to atk while avoiding mechanics

[smoky sigil]

neutral

[south kayak]

I was a fellow doomer until I took an arrow to the knee

[frosty ibex]

No change mm+ ?

[plucky ice]

blizz rn is a monkey throwing darts

[tired brook]

as of right now a 0.6% buff if you can call that a buff, after soft cap it’ll be a slight nerf

[acoustic yoke]

so close to the Thane takeover

[smoky sigil]

.6% aoe

[acoustic yoke]

so so close

[sudden tusk]

it uploading

[acoustic yoke]

[forest owl]

we're gonna be pumpin so hard next patch

[lucid parcel]

can i spell reflect something on zevkir?

[south kayak]

People are acting like these are the last changes we’ll ever get

[hushed shore]

whats AM in this context. i am new here 😄

[slim grotto]

theyre nerfing fury so we can all swap Prot and they bring back Glad stance....TRUST

[summer quail]

agreed, actually surprised it hasn't been nerfed yet

[tired brook]

anger management

[south kayak]

Anger management

[inland flame]

Nope, used to be able to reflect the fear not anymore

[south kayak]

Should be 10%

[smoky sigil]

no, but notice the fkn pattern

[odd star]

should not exist since slow pressing fury feels wrong

[tired brook]

hey man this is the first fury change with any buff in it at all, we take those

i like this pattern

📈

[royal wagon]

zug zug but is it a buff if its just to mountain?

[south kayak]

What’s 4P at bow

[smoky sigil]

kinda need more than one example for it to be a pattern

[south kayak]

Now

[odd star]

line goes up, to the moon baby
cries in "time to gear up my dk"

[south kayak]

Im an altoholic

[burnt stone]

His expression says it all

[south kayak]

I play everything

4 classes with 4p

[odd star]

im ashamed critcake reading my shitposting

[burnt stone]

It was an appropriate picture

[frigid zealot]

ok guys

[tranquil zenith]

Crit DK arc hype?

[frigid zealot]

thane will be fun surely next weke

🙏

[slim grotto]

skyhold in shambles

[south kayak]

AM or RA?

[frigid zealot]

RA

[south kayak]

Can you sim with buffs

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-malevolent-shrine-copium-gif-17048246567311451549

[austere zealot]

how much is the buff for ST?

[tranquil zenith]

at least it fits the lore for warriors to become dks after they die

[frigid zealot]

AM changes haven't come yet

[inland flame]

AM doesn't catch up until anniversary

[frigid zealot]

it matches slayer ST in slayers aoe build

But its like 500kish ahead on aoe

clappers are so in

👏

[south kayak]

Bt and rb getting buffed by 10% helps AM

[south kayak]

That’s a lot lol

[frigid zealot]

they didnt come this week

[burnt stone]

If RB and BT are buffed, is there a chance that AM will overtake RA?

[frigid zealot]

ptr has 25% 30%

which made AM super strong

[full bison]

Those aren't coming in till .5 patch

[south kayak]

And thane is a lot more damage than slayer outside of cds right?

[frigid zealot]

its way more apparnetly

it doesn't even run odysn and does 4.140m on sim

for 5t

[storm rune]

it made it marginally less worse than RA

[south kayak]

That’s all I ask for tbh, kinda feel bad outside of cds as slayer

[frigid zealot]

AM slayer if they push the 25% 30% rb/bt changes makes it 10k behind RA

on raw st currently.

[south kayak]

What you drop it for?

[frigid zealot]

thats if they push them

[burnt stone]

When I simulated it on Mimiron Raid Bot, it seemed that AM would be more powerful than RA if I adjusted the APL well. Is that possible?

[south kayak]

Ok so way ahead on aoe

[frigid zealot]

vicious contempt x2 😄

[royal wagon]

forgive me what is AM/Ra

[inland flame]

Anger Management/Reckless Abandon

[south kayak]

10k is nothing when we sim like 1m+

[royal wagon]

ooh gatcha gotcha

[frigid zealot]

if they do push the changes

[storm birch]

Anger management and reckless abandon talents @royal wagon

[south kayak]

Why wouldn’t they?

[frigid zealot]

it will be the point where you can play what you want

[tired brook]

yesterday i got a guild recruitment message in my mailbox for a mythic prog guild, is this common?

[frigid zealot]

they could have easily push it today but some reason didnt

[modest condor]

i also had AM ahead of RA but that was without changing the RA apl

[tired brook]

i’ve never ever had anyone hit up my fucking mailbox

[south kayak]

Are those changes up on PtR.

[restive granite]

this is all were getting, dont expect any other changes were dooming

[tranquil zenith]

take it to your guild leader and ask for a raise or you're leaving

[south kayak]

They didn’t push a Lot of things today

Could be some issues

[frigid zealot]

i can look into AM now, just checked RA

[tired brook]

LOL

[thin cliff]

I wouldn't even know if someone sent shit to my mailbox. It's too full of garbage

[tranquil zenith]

prio on all loot week 1 of raid or I'm leaving

[tired brook]

W

[modest condor]

i mean for the ptr sims

[burnt stone]

Do you think RA will also have to change APL due to upcoming patches?

[frigid zealot]

in ptr sims i had AM ahead of ra

but not checked it with additonal changes today

[south kayak]

Why is AM so close with thane

But so far with slayer

[sullen dove]

Cuz thane like also buffs rb and bt and shit

and does that affect bb cb?

idk

With the whole separate ability thing

[south kayak]

I’ll tell you something

Thane sucks with ra

So many abilities to press

During cds

It’s very annoying

[sullen dove]

just… just one more no

[storm rune]

fury, the class known for not pressing buttons

[sullen dove]

actually hit thunderclap where you wouldn’t hit ww

[storm rune]

i can see the issues

[red berry]

i just wish it weren't exclusively raging blow and execute that procced the big ability

[static rock]

Honestly surprised they touched AOE and just left ST where it is

[south kayak]

I feel like that helps a bit with execute prior

It already does nothing lol

[modest condor]

bloodthirst procs the big ability tho

[south kayak]

Yeah

[red berry]

i realize there's two

im just talking about uhh

[modest condor]

thunder blast is the big ability

[red berry]

yeah

when i mean 'big'

[south kayak]

Thunder Bust I call it

[red berry]

just the general proc

[south kayak]

For obvious reasons

[red berry]

its not so large - slayers strike is stronger

and just procs off of everything

which is goofy

[south kayak]

Stronger thane Thunder blast?

[burnt stone]

if AM becomes more powerful than RA, wouldn't Fury be better than it is now in various battles?
For example, now you have to save CDs to catch small guys in Ulgraxx battles, but if you use AM, you can easily use CDs against Ulgraxx as well.

[red berry]

nah not

[snow zephyr]

So updates channel seems to imply Slayer fury actually go a buff or hwat?

[red berry]

TB

[south kayak]

I mean both are different abilities lol

[red berry]

they are yes

[south kayak]

Slayers strike is st only

And you already have a better comparison with lightning strike

[modest condor]

the tierset buff was bigger than the slayer nerf

[frigid zealot]

thane likely could be very playable next week on ovinax

[summer crater]

https://x.com/GuildHonolulu/status/1842256227239076178

Honolulu (@GuildHonolulu) on X

If your ranged player ever starts whining about Nexus Princess Kyveza, just send them this clip

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 5:31 PM

[snow zephyr]

Aha makes sense.

[keen dust]

oh boy mountain thane fury here we come

slayer dead boys

[inland flame]

Me just wondering if @lucid parcel killed Zek or not

[south kayak]

I have a question mister, are the buffs to BT and RB live in ptr

[frigid zealot]

no

[south kayak]

Ok

[frigid zealot]

as far as i know they said "will be hotfixed in at a later date"

[south kayak]

So neither are the new ones today I assume

[frigid zealot]

though had no news they are

[south kayak]

The ones today aren’t for ptr right

[frigid zealot]

their going live next week

[south kayak]

Right

[frigid zealot]

cant wait to try thane

in keysss

[south kayak]

I already tried lol

[frigid zealot]

probs wasn't too good of an experience rn compared to next week imo

[south kayak]

The priority during cds is messy, with RA at least

That’s why I’m hoping to play AM

Even as soon as next week

[frigid zealot]

Blast>CB>BB>Rampage basically

[south kayak]

It was fine aside from bosses

[smoky sigil]

rampage being last feels wrong

[south kayak]

Feels weird to not press rampage at full rage for a few seconds

[frigid zealot]

its top damage for being last but any more prio makes it worse

[inland flame]

Strip yourself of your weak spender flesh. It is the age of the generator!

[south kayak]

Rampage is first prio with AM

I think

[frigid zealot]

👀

[south kayak]

It’s not? Lol

[frigid zealot]

its not with slayer at least

[smoky sigil]

i think blast no?

[frigid zealot]

[south kayak]

I meant thane

[frigid zealot]

thane maybe, that needs to be rechecked

[smoky sigil]

yeah, thunder blast before ramp*?

[south kayak]

Probably not blast

[prime tundra]

Mountain Thane is SO FUCKING cool, feeling like an enhancement fury warrior

too bad it sucks ass

[south kayak]

Right now yea

[indigo arch]

I see muti and ret got buffed, clearly underperforming.

[inland flame]

Thane stocks up big on Tues

[queen linden]

K.. so how feeling after this round of nerfs? Omega dead?

[prime tundra]

why tho?

[slim grotto]

hot take I dont want to be Thor I just want to spin

[north yew]

look at war within updates, not really a nerf

[south kayak]

I can’t keep responding to this; they buffed the hero talent that isn’t being used. Just like thane for us

[meager void]

hey guys, help me decrease my dumb: how do you reflect/deflect the big line frontals from tha Dawnbreaker trash?

[frigid zealot]

then spin

[smoky sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-tyson-granger-gif-19697788

[prime tundra]

geez didnt see that

extra fucking cool

[indigo arch]

I wasn't talking about thane.

[raven oxide]

SO WE FUCKING BACK OR NOT?

[plucky ice]

no

[south kayak]

That’s what you got from that? Lol

[keen dust]

we are fucking dead

[indigo arch]

just found it funny

[plucky ice]

[south kayak]

Ret uses herald

Not Templar

That’s what got buffed

[inland flame]

Thane will prolly blast keys but nothing changed ST other than an Arms nerf

[south kayak]

I’m progging heroic queen rn

Fury feels busting

[frigid zealot]

so dead

[meager void]

you are the one saving everyone from web roots

[north yew]

feels like they purposly made webs during queen with fury in mind lol

[meager void]

you are web root yeesus

[prisma rose]

!up

[high stone]

Those nerfs, do we go Mountain Thane for M+ then after tuning comes out? 😅

[indigo arch]

Hope not, I like spinning

[south kayak]

Who says you can’t spin as thane

[static rock]

We just got BS back, don't make me give it up again

[high stone]

You can, Delves spec does that already 😄

[indigo arch]

Then again I like ret too, and hey its randomly getting buffed

[eager thorn]

looks likely to go thane + am

[north yew]

ret isnt really getting buffed tho

[south kayak]

Again, the hero talent performing worse got buffed

[prime tundra]

thats extra cool imho

the thundering shit is soo cool

[queen linden]

We swapping to thane? Keeping the fury dream alive?

[indigo arch]

Again I was talking about warrior basically having a neutral patch, idgaf about thane or what they did with it

[queen linden]

Or going down with the slayer ship?

[north yew]

im excited to try thane

[indigo arch]

Excited to play ret tbh, already outscaling fury with actual util

[dry hawk]

wait lul?

[indigo arch]

30s bursts is rad too

[south kayak]

I’m leveling my ret

Soon

[shut pelican]

Hi big doubt, I've just crafted the 2h 636 weapon, but I can't upgrade for free (without crest) the off hand or any other 2h weapon... Is it normal? I remember that when I crafted the wpn to 619 the free upgrade was working

[summer crater]

In before someone here mentions how shockwave somehow measures up to all the things they have

[indigo arch]

Good to see the tier getting buffed finally though

[queen linden]

Did we run sims yet for the changes? Show me the numbers!

[buoyant salmon]

shockwave is the best aoe stop in the game

[north yew]

dont think crafted items work towards that

[south kayak]

Shockwave makes my penis increase in a few inches

[buoyant salmon]

that is utility whether you disagree or not

[north yew]

and its got a short cd

[untold copper]

shockwave feels cool but also pally has like 8 different good utility abilities

[shut pelican]

you spend 90 crest to craft them, why the shouldn't count?

[smoky sigil]

SHOCKWAVE WARRIORS RISE!

[dry hawk]

so are they trying to make RA not exist and us have Thane and Slayer a thing

[south kayak]

Shockwave dn

[slim coral]

And it’s only like a 20 sec cd with the extra talent

[south kayak]

25

[indigo arch]

At least in tww they did away with affixes that warr can't deal with

[north yew]

dunno, but i know earlier on when i made my 619 wep i still had to pay crests to upgrade other wep to 619

[prime tundra]

culling cyclone nerfed even more

gg slayer

[buoyant salmon]

that ppl dont take for some reason

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/actually-nerd-actually-nerd-glasses-well-yes-but-actually-no-gif-5597798959730072444

[indigo arch]

Just swapping off cyclone prob gonna be the move

[slim coral]

I be taking that hoe on my momma

[south kayak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[indigo arch]

I'm more concerned with the overwhelmed debuff change

[frosty ibex]

i don't know what to say about the change..

[south kayak]

Say something!

Anything

[frosty ibex]

i'm not a expert from warrior in general i just do 9-10 in fury

[indigo arch]

Honestly as long as that cringe aoe cap shit from Anni notes stays gone idk, maybe with more tuning fury can be up there

[frosty ibex]

i just think

aobut that

[buoyant salmon]

no idea why ppl dont its a free talent

you dont lose anything

[frosty ibex]

its rly good with fear talent

[slim coral]

Yeah but what about that 5% on defensives!!! @buoyant salmon

[indigo arch]

Not taking Shockwave talent is inting

[dry hawk]

that soft cap looks like its staying

[indigo arch]

Fury already plays its own game enough

[buoyant salmon]

i take both

actually i havent been fury in a while

[indigo arch]

8 or 5?

[south kayak]

Just play spear instead of TR

[buoyant salmon]

might be jusr an arms luxury with not needing overwhelming rage to have both

[dry hawk]

from 8 down to 5

[indigo arch]

Yikes.

Ret here I come

[south kayak]

I wonder if spear does more than TR

[dry hawk]

someone correct me if im wrong here

[south kayak]

In .5

[indigo arch]

At least don't have to stand in spear anymore

[hardy cargo]

you are wrong here

[gaunt moat]

Fdk dodging the nerfs every week is out of this world

[hardy cargo]

fuck

wrong reply

[buoyant salmon]

leave already nobody cares

[gaunt moat]

are they vengeance dh from dragonflight or what

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-17800533426298923867

[indigo arch]

Muti getting BUFFED is wild

[south kayak]

The issue is hitting all the targets

[indigo arch]

Think ill stay, deal with it.

[weary nacelle]

when other classes get 3-5% damage buff, and fury/arms get ~0.6%, it’s a nerf.

[meager void]

MsN Cares

[next coyote]

What are we looking at for fury in m+ following tier buffs amd aoe cap

[buoyant salmon]

stop talking about rerolling if toure not gonna actually do it

its cringe and weird

[slim coral]

What?

[shut pelican]

FIY, I've just relogged and now I''m able to upgrade for free every other weapon 🙂 @north yew

[dry hawk]

fury pvp hasnt changed.. 👀

[indigo arch]

What's weird is being ok with warrior taking Ls

[slim coral]

Fury is gapping every other class by a wide margin even if it’s pad in raid

[indigo arch]

Keep lickin boot.

[north yew]

sry i was wrong !

[dusty aspen]

Made this in honor of our buffs today. #webackboys.

[weary nacelle]

fury already mid bottom in raid, except last boss

[tranquil zenith]

Have you looked at the frost dk discord? A lot of regulars here are over there now

[next coyote]

They really need to target raid and m+ changes as separate entities like they do with pvp at this point... or just remain out of touch

[tranquil zenith]

people actually are rerolling

[slim coral]

This just isn’t true

[red coral]

I care because it’s good that people with correct opinions about warrior be in the warrior discord

[gaunt moat]

that's what amazes me how is this spec not nerfed already

[indigo arch]

Fdk will get hit at some point too, it's already taken multiple

[gaunt moat]

feels like they're god

[next coyote]

It is definitely true post aoe cap nerf

[summer crater]

Dude lives several weeks back

[indigo arch]

Muti prob gonna stay off radar since less play it

[buoyant salmon]

i’m still here

[untold copper]

this is explicitly true in both heroic and Mythic

[eager thorn]

heroic raid kekw

[slim coral]

You guys can’t be serious right now

[weary nacelle]

dude is a troll

[red coral]

🤣

[tranquil zenith]

My gut feeling that I know is wrong is the devs think the 'skill expression' of breath of sindragosa is fine. But there's no way that's true.

[full bison]

Weird thought, if they want to nerf out burst aoe. What if they gave us something like bonegrinder back? Not instant damage but still could have decent aoe

[smoky sigil]

sikran btw

[summer crater]

Yeah because heroic has anurek logs

Mythic is even worse

"TOP OF THE METERS GUYS"

[eager thorn]

wait the lowest st class in the game performs the worst on an st boss? :OOOOOO

[tranquil zenith]

[eager thorn]

that is UNACCEPTABLE

[smoky sigil]

like, who the fuck cares about add damage

[next coyote]

Nerf burst buff sustain, but its just not in our kit as it stands unfortunately

[smoky sigil]

WHO?!

[slim coral]

Are we really gonna hyper focus one boss and call fury bad?

[smoky sigil]

SHOW ME ONE PERSON

[gaunt moat]

wait what? i hope that's not it

[eager thorn]

i mean if you expect more intelligence from fury chat ur mistaken

[slim coral]

Your raid when they wipe to ads being up

[buoyant salmon]

anyone progging any of the relevant mythic bosses

[tranquil zenith]

It shouldn't be but who knows. The alternative is in the desperate attempt to nerf fury aoe burst they've fucked the ST and don't know how to fix it.

[full bison]

Maybe I just miss spin to win time in sl

[buoyant salmon]

besides kyveza

[gaunt moat]

still happy they buffed thane i've been wanting to main it since beta

[tranquil zenith]

and arms keeps catching nerfs at the same time

which is like, which is worse?

[smoky sigil]

Is it fun though?

[indigo arch]

them nerfing arms is rly weird

[slim coral]

All of you saying fury is bad in raid are clueless

[buoyant salmon]

is what fun

[next coyote]

The day thane is better than slayer is the day you parse 100 im fury

[median willow]

noooooo we have to be top damage or else we're worthless noooooooo!

[summer crater]

Not as clueless as someone who says it's beating everyone else

[slim coral]

It just is though

[red coral]

Dks kill every add set in the raid better than fury sorry to the bearer of this information

[wanton saddle]

Too many guilds don't have classes in because of the niche they fill

[dusk schooner]

Can’t wait to thunderclap cheeks on Tuesday in keys.

[smoky sigil]

just doing add damge

[tranquil zenith]

Is it worse if the devs are intentionally making these things happen, or if there are side effects of trying to achieve the goal of reducing fury aoe burst that they didn't intend?

[wanton saddle]

It's just the people they have on the roster

[inland flame]

i

[next coyote]

The problem is they are good in raid and nerfs are targeted for thay affecting us in m+

[dusty aspen]

single minded fury should be better on all fights then every other class sweaty. sorry to break it to you. until it is we WILL flood the chat with our calls for buffs to fury.

[wanton saddle]

Fury sending mobs into the blender on Rasha/Brood/Ansurek is their role

[summer crater]

Even on ansurek that's our best boss, havoc is already catching up

[smoky sigil]

yeah, so lets throw a target cap on that biatch

[slim coral]

You really don’t know what you are talking about

[slim coral]

I mean fury is still S tier

[indigo arch]

With any hope in s2 if they don't have 6 add sniping fights they'll realize they fked up and do some more tuning

[summer crater]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#difficulty=4&boss=2922&dataset=95 Yeah ok

[smoky sigil]

when are you from?

[indigo arch]

lotta seasons where fury looked juicy and insta got bonked and then fixed later

[median willow]

using logs as source on week 3
lmaoing

[slim grotto]

theyre target capping us so RL has to bring 2 fury warrs into raid now

[slim coral]

Are you really using heroic as a metric?

[smoky sigil]

or just DKs and Rets

[dusty aspen]

all this arguing is gonna be a moot point once papa blizz brings back gladiator stance.

[slim coral]

Useless asf

[eager thorn]

yes because "no ansurek logs"

[next coyote]

I dont disagree, but you'll never see a fury in the really high keys especially after aoe cap nerf, theres just much better options which leaves us in a shit spot, what do we offer putside of big add damage?

[untold copper]

Fury is a best mid in m+

[eager thorn]

nope

fury still good m+

[median willow]

thane is gonna be great in m+ cuz it has surv

[ripe dew]

in what universe

[quiet geyser]

thats a stretch. A tier maybe. FDK does what fury does but better, and more boss damage.

[wanton saddle]

Shockwave alone is badass

[slim grotto]

no util, target capped class kekW

[indigo arch]

Fury A at best

[slim coral]

Frost is Z tier

[indigo arch]

and it's a generous best

[eager thorn]

shockwave, storm bolt, rallying cry, can take intervene

[smoky sigil]

oh okay, just make more tiers so we can call fury S

[indigo arch]

why take fury over ret/fdk/muti

[eager thorn]

insane durability

no utility though hehe

[indigo arch]

as far as melee in m+

[summer crater]

Remember guys "fury is great in mythic"

[red coral]

Bazed might literally not even play wow stop getting baited by him

[slim grotto]

ok now compare that to every other class. Yes we have no unique util and rallying cry is the most dogshit skill in the game

[median willow]

intervene can protect others vs magic damage

[eager thorn]

why take anything that isnt meta comp

[tranquil zenith]

? I'm pretty sure Frost DK's are more durable in M+ than warriors right now

[quiet geyser]

well in normal grade scaling, if S is the like be all end all, FDK and fury cant be in the same grade lol

[eager thorn]

please show where i said anything about fdk

[tranquil zenith]

I can double check

[restive peak]

I mean these changes are stupid, defending them is stupid

We're still strong in raid for now

[indigo arch]

why allow every other melee nearly to have sameish or near same dam or more with more util

[restive peak]

But it doesn't make these changes not stupid, the direction is fine, but it's not enough

[tranquil zenith]

The guy above you said why take fury over fdk, fair enough if you weren't responding to him

[restive peak]

And it's not enough when compared to dk/enh/mage etc going unnerfed

[queen linden]

If you all wanted to play a safe bet meta class, you should have rolled mage. They'll always be at the top.

[heavy plover]

THANE FOR LIFE

[indigo arch]

and yea, fdk def has more sustain than fury

[tidal kindle]

Nexcess

[indigo arch]

anyone who dies in a key as fdk has extra chromosomes

[dusty aspen]

Mage can't play SMF.

[sterile stratus]

Boy we thaning now

[slim coral]

Here is an actual metric

[restive peak]

It means nothing and you know it dude, we usually agree

[dusty aspen]

photoshopped

[slim coral]

Mythic Rashanan

[slim coral]

?

[restive peak]

Playing in a mid guild while prioing adds and showing that 1 metric on a mid fight that's giga faceroll means nothing

[dusty aspen]

can tell cuz who uses anything without an ad blocker

[summer crater]

I don't know why he's trolling so insane stupid

[lucid parcel]

zekvir do a different skill each second. i dont have time to break eggs

[restive peak]

I was #4 on boss dam for our brood kill too, doesn't mean I'm god mode or fury boss dam is good

[eager thorn]

who uses adblock on their phone lol

[ripe dew]

Fire mage is meta every season, rolls in warriors face and npcs in here still defending fury nerfs when its literally garbage tier in m+ ♿

[tranquil zenith]

You're definitely doing the same thing you're accussing them of. You're cherry picking one example that fits your narrative

[lucid parcel]

who did this needs to fuck off

[quiet geyser]

I still think dooming is valid. Fury sucks in M+ now, and we legit just got lucky that half this raid has bosses built for fury's kit. Next tier, unless we get lucky with bosses that fit us again, or get some kind of S tier tier set, fury is legit gonna need god

[slim coral]

Who’s talking about boss damage? I’m talking about fury as a whole

[restive peak]

Means I moved to a team where I'm the best player, if you put me in with a top 5 guild and throw all these nerfs on me, I'll look dog

[red coral]

Fury is so good at the raid it gets brought for 1 boss maybe 2

[eager thorn]

delusional

[restive peak]

Noone is complaining about today

We're complaining about the upcoming nerfs, + the 11.0.5 nerfs being slapped on

[summer crater]

Looking at the full performance isn't cherrypicking. People aren't taking fury much to mythic+ because it isn't good

It isn't that difficult

[restive peak]

And the buffs in 11.0.5 only help AM, some people love AM

But if you think we're not going to be weak compared to most classes in 11.0.5, you're legit dreaming

[untold copper]

here is the actual statistics for Mythic Rasha'nan clearly you are having a psychotic break

[tranquil zenith]

I think you're confused on my position

[restive peak]

CURRENTLY we're good

[heavy plover]

I dislike how AM desyncs the CD rotation

[indigo arch]

AM feels jank

[slim coral]

Brother that’s because the wowlogs dev made it so the fight only accounts for ST

[dusty aspen]

yeah but everyone knows the average arms player is better then the average fury player regardless of balance.

[quiet geyser]

buff ramage dmg, buff execute dmg, give us fan of long swords. OH LOOK FURY IS FIXED

[red coral]

No this one guy knows more than a hundred thousand mythic plus participants and it is they who are stupid actually

[untold copper]

frfr

[crisp bronze]

Brown sandwhich

[inland flame]

AM Slayer would be dank with double Storm CDR but AM Thane should feel good

[tropic gorge]

thats the shit i fuck about am

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/nerpa-baikal-seal-gif-3494688971008325228

[slim coral]

That’s not what people in here are saying at all

[heavy plover]

It doesn't honestly

[smoky sigil]

RASH logs doesnt consider add damage

[slim coral]

You need to reread these convos

[heavy plover]

I was doing it some last night

[eager thorn]

lol fury logs bad on the boss with adds that dont count to logs

[restive peak]

I mean, Max has already stated 2 furys was a mistake

And they should've brought an additional DK > 1 fury

[summer crater]

We aren't good, we're ok for raid and bad for mythic+

[restive peak]

So with the nerfs, where do you think that leaves us?

[eager thorn]

we're not bad for m+ though

[restive peak]

We are upper tier for raid, and middle tier for M+

If that's what your stance is, I will agree w Bazed

[indigo arch]

We're cooked when anni patch hits

[slim coral]

Lincc these people I’m arguing with are talking about current fury not future

[indigo arch]

simple as

[restive peak]

The ISSUE is the classes that do our job equal or better are going untouched

Whereas we're being nerfed

[dusty aspen]

well considering every class can complete all content at any difficulty level, I guess good?

[summer crater]

Bad compared to what, arms and BM and feral?

[heavy plover]

All you gotta do though is be better than the dps below you on the chart

[slim grotto]

this is the argument

[eager thorn]

idk ur the one saying we're bad

so what are you comparing it to

[restive peak]

I mean saying we're BAD in M+ rn is dishonest

[hexed iris]

do we prefer icyveins or wowhead, generally?

[slim coral]

Just not true at all

[red coral]

Bazed is actually smarter and better than the gm of the best guild in the world

[summer crater]

Those + demo + survival are pretty much the ones we're good compared to

[dusty aspen]

same nerd writes both

[slim grotto]

Ther'es only 3 dps slots in m+ and I would pick fdk or ret over fury every single time

[hexed iris]

noice

[slim grotto]

Hence bad

[dusty aspen]

pick formatting you like best.

[tranquil zenith]

[fierce acorn]

so w next weeks changes is it just a damage shift

or a nerf

?

[summer crater]

"guys we're not BM so we're good!!!"

[static rock]

#updates-midnight

[cerulean gyro]

We're getting a 0.6% increase

[hexed iris]

Speaking as a BM main, that's why I'm here

[cerulean gyro]

as Slayer Fury

[slim coral]

@restive peak this is what I’m arguing with

[summer crater]

It's even lower in mythic, you're not making any point

[ripe dew]

"good in raid"

[dusty aspen]

unless you are a crazy person go arms. we're way more chill and always vibing as long as execute does big number.

[ripe dew]

meanwhile mage has 2 specs in S+

[young swan]

is that wackywavytud

[tranquil zenith]

Is arms running skullsplitter atm?

[slim coral]

No lol

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bQgMM.gif

[young swan]

lame

[dusty aspen]

depending on the build it can.

[slim coral]

Whoever put fury C should uninstall

[tidal kindle]

It's automated p sure

[tranquil zenith]

I'm not a huge fan of it

[hexed iris]

I wanna play the button mashing sim whilst I run heroic dungeons because I have no gear

[tidal kindle]

Just goes off WCL stats

[red peak]

People who make tier lists are e tier

[tidal kindle]

Which are curated away from fury's functional strengths

[tranquil zenith]

Yeah that websites not great, it just gives you an aggregate of logs right?

doesn't go much deeper

[dusty aspen]

wait is there a conspiracy by big WCL to keep fury down1?!?!

[tidal kindle]

Due to rash change + first 2 boss adds being owned by dk

[slim coral]

That pretty much just makes it useless then

[tidal kindle]

Like any other tier list

[smoky sigil]

GUYS! in the 10th percentile we're goated ST

[hexed iris]

How many rotation buttons for arms compared to fury?

[dusty aspen]

fair.

[restive peak]

I mean yeah that tier list is dumb as shit

[summer crater]

Similar

[heavy plover]

Oh god. Not a few hundred dps behind. What will we ever do

[ripe dew]

whoever thinks its good should just smash his head on a wall or something

[slim coral]

Same

[restive peak]

We are currently upper tier, S tier on some fights, B tier on some

[slim coral]

Bro anyone saying fury isn’t good in this raid right now is on crack

[grim topaz]

sorry guys what IMO means?

[quiet geyser]

F tier on 1

[young swan]

in my opinion

[hexed iris]

Cool thanks. Am just setting up my keybinds and it's convenient for my ui if they're roughly similar.

[grim topaz]

tyvm!

[quartz tulip]

My boomkin at 606 ilvl has more M+ overall than my 618 warrior my 608 survival hunter the same thing

[dusty aspen]

I make onions

[tidal kindle]

I'm Malding Overtly

[quartz tulip]

Fury is just dog water

[restive peak]

I wouldn't go w f tier, I mean Poptart killed kyveza w 2 furys this week

[tidal kindle]

(Like this channel)

[restive peak]

On purpose

[quiet geyser]

i meant sik

[restive peak]

Hilariously enough, furys worst fight compared to arms is probably silken

Just because arms sweeping is SO good there

[tidal kindle]

Ackshually

[smoky sigil]

would be a hillarious mistake

[tidal kindle]

[tawdry bane]

we need another 3% nerf

[tidal kindle]

Technically rash

[young swan]

mostly because fury is safer and you dont really need damage anymore (certainly PC doesnt)

[tidal kindle]

[dry hawk]

Thane fury execute phase

[ripe dew]

very good, nerf it more so its in D tier alone

[smoky sigil]

why 3? just go all out with 15%

[restive peak]

Ofc

[tawdry bane]

el no sabe

[quiet geyser]

fury is G tier for sik

[smoky sigil]

and then remove raging blow

[restive peak]

Ye if you're fury on silken I think you hate your team tbh

[young swan]

that said, i do think fury is "better" on that fight because it is vastly safer

[heavy plover]

I feel like it would have way too many buttons

[smoky sigil]

who even needs rampage

[restive peak]

I agree

[slim coral]

Fury can’t die

Easy pick for prog

[dusty aspen]

I can hate my team regardless of my spec TYVM.

[restive peak]

I don't think the slight ST bump of arms is worth the increased healing needed

[tawdry bane]

tbh just make it so fury can only hit 5 targets, if its less than 5 we cant do damage, if its more same thing

[dim pecan]

What's dead may never die

[smoky sigil]

do punching bags count towards logs?

[north yew]

yea all the top parsers have 5 punching bags down on each boss

[static rock]

Nah, they just make me do the web mechanic like satanists

[dusty aspen]

So wait, are these buffs on Tuesday good or nah?

[tawdry bane]

[summer crater]

On what fight?

[restive peak]

Kyveza mythic

After the nerfs

[smoky sigil]

[narrow fossil]

what fury needs is a buff like SP, after all all buffs we get, are nerfs at the end...

[restive peak]

You're likely safer to run fury than arms there

[static rock]

SP?

[narrow fossil]

Shadow Priest got all ST abilities buffed by 10%

[tawdry bane]

guys pls play colossus guys pls come on man please play it omg i worked so hard on this hero talent tree and you arent playing it guys please wtf man pls play colossus

[static rock]

holy Sh*t

[smoky sigil]

the problem is that all of our ST abilities are also aoe abilities

[narrow fossil]

We got shitty talents buffed and main talents nerfed...

[restive peak]

Bringing godcomp back slowly but surely

[static rock]

Then scaled back our cleave from WW

[dusty aspen]

Here, I thought all night we were back, now you come in here and tell me it's over?

[tawdry bane]

you WILL reroll to a caster and you WILL like it

[narrow fossil]

Since we're the worst class in st and average-low in aoe there is no problem there

[slim coral]

That’s how you reallocate damage

[smoky sigil]

someone learned a new fancy word

[hazy spruce]

average low in aoe is crazy

[dry hawk]

Are they trying to make RA not a thing

[tawdry bane]

theyre trying to make dps warrior not a thing

a dps warrior fucked the balance team lead's wife

[forest owl]

i'm so tired of seeing the 'we cant have st buffs cuz of cleave' this argument is so stupid when you look at frost dk right now.

[smoky sigil]

we gave giga burst, mid sustained

[slim coral]

No they’re just trying to make the nodes balanced

[dry hawk]

Well, they need more tanks

[tawdry bane]

so true bestie

[dusty aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

q.q

[restive peak]

Well this is mistake 1

[hazy spruce]

yeh, but the whole raid is designed around killing adds or wiping, blizzard just doesnt know that.

[restive peak]

AM should never be the ST play

[tawdry bane]

THIS

[restive peak]

And this, inherently, is why fury is always a clusterfuck

[slim coral]

I mean AM has been fury’s play for as long as I remember

[restive peak]

It should be that RA+Ons ABSOLUTELY GIGA FUCK AM/OF in ST

[slim coral]

Until this tier

[tawdry bane]

much like the average warrior player the guy balancing warriors cant read

[summer crater]

Or enhancement

[restive peak]

And as targets are introduced, AM/OF should gain benefit

[tidal kindle]

My name in TPcord since mid september

Shockerrr

😱

[tranquil zenith]

Those warriors would be really mad if they could read

[restive peak]

xD

[dusty aspen]

come on man this is the first patch in forever frost DK's got to play.

[smoky sigil]

make a choicenode, whirlwind cleaves 55% damage, or whirlwind cleaves 10% damage and boost st by 900%

[restive peak]

That's not how balance works or should work

[tawdry bane]

dk's beat us in single and aoe and also bring a b res and amz

[tidal kindle]

It's not about frost dk though
It's about DK as a class, mage as a class, warrior as a class etc

[strong pilot]

Facts, spit your shit Linc

[dusty aspen]

wrong.

[tidal kindle]

Fury targetted nerfs are also booming arms

[tranquil zenith]

Balance shouldn't be Blizzard deciding who gets to be good and who isn't good from season to season

[restive peak]

Yeah people really don't understand that UHDK is actually better than frost eh

[tidal kindle]

That's the biggest travesty of this imo

[slim coral]

Fuck arms

[forest owl]

I wouldnt mind frost dk being good, if it wasnt for the fact fury is being gutted for the same thing frost is doing, only better and somehow avoiding any form of nerf

[tawdry bane]

agreed

[tidal kindle]

Arms was 5% ahead of fury in ST

Wonder where it is now

[summer crater]

I mean they might actually be off enough they think arms st is too high

[restive peak]

No, not wrong, if we did a rotation of OP you'd be strong once every 10-11 patches, does that sound intelligent to you?

[dry hawk]

Maybe they are plotting for a later tier

[slim coral]

Well judging off one ST fight it’s about even

[restive peak]

It's not at 99th

[strong pilot]

also abomination limb and aoe anti magic bubble and grip for m+ kek

[smoky sigil]

maybe we're just scaling

[slim coral]

Even on kyveza arms and fury are about even on logs

[tidal kindle]

Riku/boomie did like 1.3m at 622 on kyveza

[smoky sigil]

they're gonna drop a fury specific 2h

[tidal kindle]

Find me a fury that did that

[dusty aspen]

Nah I am saying Blizzard should do buffs as a popularity contest so we can really see how high hunters, mages, and rets can go.

[slim coral]

Well they aren’t on logs

[dusty aspen]

then once in awhile give the sad classes on life support a lil buff as a treat

[restive peak]

I mean sadly we're 1 of the top parse specs rn

[strong pilot]

Did anyone actually enjoy using Fyr'alath

[restive peak]

So clearly they do not give a fuck

[indigo arch]

hated fyr'alath

with all my being.

[smoky sigil]

not at all

[restive peak]

top as in top number of parses existing

[strong pilot]

cause colosus is just hero talent Fyr

[young swan]

definitely didnt like it

[smoky sigil]

ilvl was cool, on use was hell

[restive peak]

Fyralath was dog and so is colossus

[tawdry bane]

wait so when warrior is good people want to play it? thats crazy

[indigo arch]

shadowmourne was nice, that shit was NOT.

[tired brook]

i didnt even get fyralath

[strong pilot]

felt awful using that thing

[tidal kindle]

Don't care
The gap between bottom 99%ile to true 100%ile is prob as big as 85%ile to 99%ile

[inland flame]

I surprisingly hate Demolish a lot less but I haaaaated Fyralath

[tired brook]

8 kills no legendary

[tawdry bane]

no one has ever jumped on the meta classes before

[strong pilot]

W

[summer crater]

I mean warrior is pretty much always quite popular in pure numbers

[forest owl]

a legendary shouldn't feel cringe to press, fyralath was that.

[restive peak]

Yeah no, warrior is literally always 1 of the top played, but keep trolling and see where it gets you friend.

[strong pilot]

It seems like every war I talk to and this discord no one likes Fyr lmao

[dusty aspen]

only way we can ensure warrior is gate kept is by making SMF the meta.

[slim coral]

I mean sure but even Apook who is very good at warrior didn’t hit 1.3

[tawdry bane]

[restive peak]

If you think warrior was meta at ANY point this expac so far you are braindead, and I have a bridge to sell you.

[smoky sigil]

so why take a shit on such a big part of the community

[tranquil zenith]

Warriors always popular. Its specs are pretty intuitive to understand and play.

[forest owl]

i liked the DoT spread, not the on use.

[tawdry bane]

[dry hawk]

Just give me back legion bloodbath execute

[summer crater]

I don't know man, BM hunter is also popular and they literally killed it now

[indigo arch]

Give back bloodbath (the dot)

[restive peak]

Have a nice vacation.

[young swan]

real and based

[smoky sigil]

really? again...

[summer crater]

Yeah, 9% single-target nerf

[fading bane]

this is like legion right?

i remember it on mistress

[restive peak]

Well this is what I mean, they clearly do not buff/nerf based on popularity

[slim coral]

In theory arms might do more ST but in practice in seems that fury and arms are about the same currently from logs

[restive peak]

They have a bias problem, it has to be that

[smoky sigil]

thats sooo fucking stupid

they looked pretty good

[tidal kindle]

Ye it was boomie

[summer crater]

7-9% aoe buff to "compensate" but since the aoe is already absolutely garbage it's a garbage change

[indigo arch]

mop

[slim coral]

This could be from Aug though no?

[fading bane]

what was bloodbath in legion then

[slim coral]

And possible pi

[modest condor]

did they even play aug

[tranquil zenith]

If I had to guess they were considering things other than numbers, it'd be what they consider rewarding dps for 'skill expression', but that just seems stupid and can't be true.

[dusty aspen]

then why did Liquid, Echo, and Method all run two? On Quuen. Just as a like gentleman's agreement to not give themselves the best shot at clearing?

[indigo arch]

lined up perfect with bladestorm, making it comedy gold in pvp too since you could basically perma slow a druid spamming shift

[restive peak]

This is also too small of a sample size

[slim coral]

Not sure that’s why I’m asking

[tranquil zenith]

because if that's the case, some specs just get to be better

forever

[storm rune]

I'm quite happy Arms keeps catching strays, as long as they keep concurrently nerfing it alongside fury we'll never be forced in to that spec

[fading bane]

still bleed no

[tidal kindle]

You are not augging warrior on that fight nor did they play one

[indigo arch]

trying to recall if it just wasn't taken and was there

[strong pilot]

[fading bane]

it was played like once

for all of legion

i think

[slim coral]

Hmm ok guess it’s just a player diff

[calm quartz]

Damn, they actually took bm out back and shot it lmao

[slim coral]

Or something else gear wise

[restive peak]

Nope, they prepped them fully pre-nerf and Max has already stated, very openly, 2 warriors besides brood was likely a mistake, but by the time they got to the latter fights, they had geared those people with reclear+vaults

[restive peak]

I mean that's still bias, I play DK/Warr/Mage/ret and none of them are any harder than the other

[fading bane]

if it was so clearly a mistake

then why did echo play 1

then pivot to 2

for the actual kill

[slim coral]

Probably needed add damage

[restive peak]

When you're on the end boss of world 1st

And you're behind

Do you create new strats

Or recreate the working one?

[tidal kindle]

They put atrocity on arms for CN and said several times "should've had another dk, he was just geared on warr"

[restive peak]

It's a genuine question

[dusty aspen]

No one on echo is good enough to pivot to another frost DK bro. warrior is just easier to pick up fr fr.

[sullen dove]

@misty edge ASS

[alpine haven]

based

[dusty aspen]

so two warriors was a working strat then?

so...warriors was good?

?!?!?!?!?

[restive peak]

The point at which they killed queen, the 20 you had geared was the top

[fading bane]

true, these players can only play 1 class at a good level forgot

[tranquil zenith]

I've played warrior, enhance and DK. If I'm coming at it from the perspective of the 'average player, who is really shit, then I as a developer might say "Ok, well BoS isn't intuitive to play so we'll reward that skill expression by making it really strong"

[modest condor]

only rason 2nd war was in was because trill had to go awc

[tranquil zenith]

and that has impacts at higher ends

[restive peak]

Yes, I have already said warrior for raid is very good, do you think you're winning an argument or something?

[sudden tusk]

i mean max literally said he would have played trill

[storm rune]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-swole-gym-lifting-yoked-gif-27561206

[tranquil zenith]

I'm not saying I agree with this

[sudden tusk]

instead of warrior 2

[storm rune]

linc as a caster

[tranquil zenith]

I'm just trying to understand the perspective

same with enhance

community perception is it's very hard, players who aren't good avoid it because it has a lot of buttons

[restive peak]

You can never balance a game with that in mind

[red coral]

Why did they play 2 warriors instead of 1 warrior plus a completely new person on an under geared shitter char on pull 300

[tranquil zenith]

it's actually easy as fuck but there we are

[slim coral]

I mean also you guys gotta realize in any guild outside RWF it doesn’t matter what you play

[tranquil zenith]

and enhance pumps

[restive peak]

Yeah the nerfed versions we're going to kill are doable with anything most likely, the point still remains that fury is there for 1 reason

Blow up adds

[night cedar]

Anyone know if the preserveration evoquer nerf is hard?

[restive peak]

Riku/Boomie were the bottom boss damage by a HUGE amount

[fading bane]

it obviously does matter, but its still very killable with a non optimal comp

[red coral]

It is a big nerf yes

[fading bane]

ofc the warriors were bottom boss dps

they use every cd on adds

[slim coral]

Yes and this is why I said fury is good in the current raid no point in saying ST sucks when it’s beating a dead horse

[night cedar]

For raid or m+?

[tranquil zenith]

Problem is you need to convince the playerbase of that, which is harder.

[tidal kindle]

Trill AWC + second warr already gearfed over third (?) dk

P much sums it up

[dusty aspen]

riku/boomie also blew up the chains and adds in a second which is what they were brought for.

[tidal kindle]

Boss damage from fury on RWF ansurek is a bad metric

[smoky sigil]

look at sikran man

[tranquil zenith]

Your average middling lower end mythic guild thinks it matters a lot

[fading bane]

how is sikran

[tranquil zenith]

when it doesn't, but they don't know that

[summer crater]

That would've been so great if it were true for feral (relative to other classes) back in tbc, king dps

[fading bane]

to this

[young swan]

not a good comparison

[slim coral]

Did you decide what you’re doing for your alt yet? Dragon or dk

[fading bane]

we all know Fury St is ass

[restive peak]

Yes, I understand the purpose they were brought for, you're still not smarter than Max who stated 1. He would've brought Trill over Riku is he was avail 2. Double warr was likely not the best 3. We're getting nerfed twice again

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/I0sW.gif

[slim coral]

Pog

[restive peak]

So if you want to pretend those nerfs will do nothing, go nuts man

[red coral]

You can continue pointing out to the braindeads why fury is a poorly performing spec atm until your hair falls out but I would advise against

[smoky sigil]

Why not, his argument was that our boss damage was low cause we used cds on adds. if that were true sikran would be closer

[dusty aspen]

why would they nerf us if we're not good? just cuz?

[restive peak]

Enjoy your non-dooming edginess, you're still unaware and wrong

Why did they not nerf enhance and mage, by your logic?

They're not good, right?

[fading bane]

this makes no sense

[slim coral]

are you calling @young swan brain dead?

[restive peak]

#1 and #3 overall in ST+AOE, they're not good?

[smoky sigil]

i have alot of hair im willing to lose

[fading bane]

boss dmg is low on add fights

cus u cd adds

[red coral]

😂

[fading bane]

on ST fight u can only cd boss

[sinful spoke]

All im gonna say is

[young swan]

its not about just raw boss damage, its about opportunity cost and which class/spec is the most efficient at dealing with adds whilst losing 0 (or close to it) boss damage

[lavish pond]

So we now going to be top dps again?? xD

[slim coral]

Idk why yall are hyper focused on ST and saying fury is bad in raid because of that

[tidal kindle]

Mav/phu are our current 2 dks

[slim coral]

The last two bosses are not ST btw

[summer crater]

Why would they just kill BM? (they did)

[tranquil zenith]

It's pretty clear the severity of the nerfs is a result of community perception, it's going too far.

[restive peak]

Yes, and they're removing the burst AOE deeply, and not buffing the ST. That is the issue.

[alpine haven]

Imagine not calling blue names dumb

[sinful spoke]

If @mossy fox didnt influence the votes on the tierset for s4 we wouldnt have gotten so many nerfs this tier

[sullen dove]

tru

[fading bane]

warrior devs dont have brain inside head, this is known

[young swan]

fury boss damage was not great, but it wasnt great because they sent CD's on adds which allowed other specs, more suited to blasting the boss, to just send cd's on cd on the boss

[tidal kindle]

Okay since yall are clearly arguing in circles let me spell it out for you

[fading bane]

if there is a warrior dev

[slim coral]

Yeah but what about keys

[restive peak]

I am under no illusion we're weak right now, we're also not as strong as add dmg on a few bosses makes us look

The nerfs will hurt, badly

[slim coral]

I got this

[heavy plover]

Oh boy!

[restive granite]

fury cds almost align perfectly with adds and webs though

its not such a loss holding

[dusty aspen]

but this all started because you said fury has never been meta this xpac?

[restive peak]

You are kidding yourself if you think these nerfs won't hurt badly while all the currently ahead classes remain untouched

[fading bane]

Fury warrior is a weak spec, that is extermely good at one specific thing

[restive peak]

It isn't meta

[sullen dove]

essay inc

[fading bane]

which is burst AoE

[slim coral]

TLDR fury good in raid bad for ST

[restive peak]

2 on 1 boss fight is "meta"

?

[fading bane]

and its way ahead of every other spec at it

[restive peak]

Meta always applies to M+ and PVP, not raid

[unborn notch]

LOL

[dusty aspen]

lol

[young swan]

you take OF and literally use it on the boss exclusively in p1

[arctic mulch]

What do you think about Void Packstone trincet?

[restive peak]

So you're using terms you don't even understand

[tranquil zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/bills-ugh-gif-9811803164280522639

they need to know how right i am

[covert void]

kind of hilarious to me they open notes with how they have 3 weeks of data yet they haven't touched fdk at all 😂

[young swan]

i guess in mythic they did cool RoP shit

[fading bane]

There is Raid Meta, PVP Meta, M+ Meta tho

[dusty aspen]

Now I know for sure Linccstyle is a lil troll. Almost got jebaited.

[sinful spoke]

You can spell?

[smoky sigil]

yes, and this tier thats awesome. but take m+ into consideration. Packs last longer, bosses need to die. fury warrior dont get invited

[fading bane]

it doesnt have to be used in a overall sense

[gaunt moat]

nerf FDK blizzard come on

[alpine haven]

They don't balance for PvP meta is okay

[young swan]

i do

[fading bane]

who cares about pvp anyway

[restive peak]

There is no "meta" for raid within reason, literally the 1st 20 guilds to kill queen will not use the exact same comp

[slim coral]

I’ve yet to have an issue getting declined because I’m fury warrior in keys

[fading bane]

they will be using very very similar comps

[smoky sigil]

not everyone can be megachad like you

[tranquil zenith]

one of the things with frost DK is shattered frost was bugged for the first two weeks, so maybe they are waiting to get another week of data now that it's been fixed?

[slim coral]

And I’m doing 12s

[young swan]

getting invited to m+ is the same as its always been, get big score and ilvl

[covert void]

Their 3 weeks of data, enabling broad balancing changes don't show fdk as been overpowered.

[rugged pewter]

Hopeium fans stay winning 0.6% buff we're so back

[young swan]

or suffer

[summer crater]

Yeah but top players will be invited even on BM hunters

(except the absolute meta runs)

[young swan]

im far from a top player

[covert void]

can't get score if you don't get invites. or it's a lot slower anyways.

[tulip tundra]

so what is blizz trying to do with fury?

[eager thorn]

the thing that helped me get in more keys a lot was not trying to jump levels eg having 5 timed and applying for 7

[alpine haven]

You just need to have that chad aura in order to get invited

[young swan]

great question! they have no fucking clue!

[slim coral]

Make a more balanced spec hopefully

I believe thats the intended goal

[young swan]

pretty much

[calm quartz]

Wait, is bm st now worse than fury?

[indigo arch]

The most logical things they did were bringing thane up and tier, but they have MUCH more work to do especially if they intend on that dogshit anni patch

[fading bane]

BM got nerfed by like 9%

[restive peak]

When it comes to M+, people watch streamers too much

[fading bane]

the spec is dead

[tranquil zenith]

Make it more balanced while also altering community perception that it's the best melee.

[sinful spoke]

I dont think so

[fading bane]

its only good thing was ST

and it got shit on

[tranquil zenith]

The devs care way too much about the playerbase thinks about balance

[restive peak]

Even mages sit in queue for awhile if they try to jump from 7s to 10s at 615 ilvl

[smoky sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[slim coral]

The devs do not care at all what the playerbase thinks

[covert void]

well quite, but even applying for keys you've actually timed it's a pretty awful experience a lot of the time.

[delicate yacht]

For those that pug keys , do you find you're declined often

[summer crater]

Not worse for pure ST but still no reason to bring it as their other specs are better ST now and 40-60% better AOE

[alpine haven]

If they cared every whining person that plays a spec that gets nerfed wouldn't get nerfed

[covert void]

Yes.

[slim coral]

You think the devs give two fucks about playerbase opinions?

[smoky sigil]

i've had to reroll prot to get any invites

[alpine haven]

It's always like this when something gets nerfed

[slim coral]

If they did aug would be deleted already

[red coral]

Yes they do which is why fire is never bad

[summer crater]

For pure single-target if their changes go through BM will be lower than middle of the pack ST

(since they won't get PI anymore)

[sinful spoke]

Bro its simple and yall gotta understand

[slim coral]

That’s not why. Mage is always meta for multiple reasons

[restive peak]

I mean aug ate a big nerf today too

[delicate yacht]

I'm 620 and don't get accepted to even 7s and 8s, let alone 9s and 10s

[sinful spoke]

The devs buff classes they play

And nerf classes they dont

[covert void]

Hey guy, you enjoying these nerfs, and minor buffs every week when s tier specs are just absolutely left to be s-tier? it's fun isn't it.

[sinful spoke]

Its always been the case

[slim coral]

I meant literallly deleted lmao people hate that spec

[restive peak]

For real without the additional 10% armor to tank/heals, aug is potentially on the chopping block

[tidal kindle]

1a. Fury had a 3gcd aoe burst niche, problematic by design, so ST must be lower to compensate
1b. The raid was designed almost perfectly for fury cds around that 3gcd aoe burst

2a. After heroic week fury aoe got OF/BS/Roar nerfed (fair)
2b. After the original nerf, fury took a 3% aura hit (still fine)
2c. Fury then kept getting slated for more aoe nerfs

Which also shot arms in crossfire

3a. Fury is rapidly approaching the point with the nerfs from 2c (and the philosophy behind it) where community perception is bad
3b. As everyone gets more gear, fury strong niche becomes less and less relevant objectively

FDK Breath/remorseless or Fire/Arcane mage CDs will delete adds
3c. If fury's niche is no longer as hyper relevant due to 3b, and fury doesn't have anything else to offer competitively in raid - why would you comp fury?
Since arms is also getting shot in crossfire - same goes for arms

4. All these nerfs targeted at raid balance (which they're managing barely numberswise - but the design philosophy sucks) are on the road to crippling fury in M+

Fury is already, current patch behind the usual suspects in keys

• Dk, mage, sham

Fury is approaching no niche via aoe burst nerf, weak ST, weak sustained aoe and arms is getting hit as a result as well

Thane is looking good for sustained aoe/key setting IF you're comparing slayer vs thane aoe talents

- In M+, on bosses about 2% behind

• AoE is about 10-15% ahead

Currently (Oct 4, 2024) Fury is still good but it is not great at anything relevant except for the last boss on mythic
This will not matter objectively to most people, but no one likes being seemingly over-nerfed and in mostly the wrong ways to address the problem while leaving behind a mess of collateral damage.

Fury will probably still be fine/okay after the slated .5 patch changes, however the road ahead presented in the past 5 nerfs over 2 weeks doesn't seem to be all that pleasant

[covert void]

you know when we got that first nerf and I said why can't we just be the op s tier spec for a change (in m+). yep.

[sullen dove]

oh shi

manifesto

[alpine haven]

holy fuck garms

[sullen dove]

put that shit in a forum post quick

[gaunt moat]

the dot dmg nerf is a nerf overall with the other buffs? i don't know the spec but i'm asking for a friend

[tranquil zenith]

I'm not fully onboard with the idea but I'm sceptical with the changes we've been seeing, but also haven't been seeing but should have.

Can't really say I'm decided yet tbh

[quick arrow]

10/9 changes a good buff?

[royal roost]

Do we want our loot spec set to arms?

[tidal kindle]

tldrhappyforyourorsorrythathappened.copypasta

[velvet bluff]

ye

[fading bane]

you have like 6-7 dots running

so tis big

[alpine haven]

This is going to spark a lot of angry opinions from random names that will extend this discussion for four hours more

[slim coral]

This is what I am saying. Fury is perfect for the raid. Yes it’s ST sucks but it’ll take a redesign in damage profile to fix that

[delicate yacht]

Is there a reason to bring a fury warrior to a key over say a ret paladin

[tidal kindle]

Not my problem

Can reference this post

[covert void]

my issue at this point is they actually said they have 3 weeks of data to make changes, and barely touch the top specs, if at all.

[restive peak]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[sinful spoke]