fury

[barren coral]

had no clue it was like that

[wicked moat]

better press it on cooldown then not

[south kayak]

I use a lot of defensives all the time

[wicked moat]

its a big dr

[south kayak]

I notice most people don't

if you frequently use Defensive Stance

and SR

you'll never die

and ER

[barren coral]

defensive stance is crazy though im struggling on the dps meter as is

[south kayak]

Easier time for your healer during giga damage

[barren coral]

maybe after we get some buffs

[south kayak]

Dead dps is no dps

[barren coral]

whats SR?

[south kayak]

Spell Reflect

I remember when SR was only a PvP talent

[barren coral]

was that true in bfa?

bc thats the last time i played warrior

[south kayak]

yeah it was a pvp talent in bfa

[barren coral]

and i remember that

[south kayak]

But it was baseline in SL

[barren coral]

yeah i just realized im definitively using my defensives like total shit

so many times where u just sit and cant attack the boss

yet i never DS

[maiden sierra]

How good are the crafted bracers to boost your weapons embellishment? I have 4/6 heroic lamplighter's manacles, i could craft the bracers 619

[fading sky]

Send it on another slot?

Back?

[south kayak]

I'm still using pvp 610 bracers lmao

the crafted ones

[fading sky]

Crafted 610 back here🤣

[south kayak]

I still haven't made 636 mh

it's 619

I'm slacking on doing m9+

[fading sky]

Y same😅

[barren coral]

m9 is myth track?

[fervent yoke]

Don’t judge me but I liked playing RA over AM because I could macro reck and avatar less buttons = more zug zug

[south kayak]

I think it drops gilded crests

[fading sky]

M9 crests

M10 myth track

[south kayak]

yeah 10 is myth track, I managed to do a 10 ara last week

The last 2 bosses in HC drop gilded crests too

I noticed

[fading sky]

I liked having more burst potential, with a defined timer🤣

[south kayak]

Only killed Silken so far

How many crests do you need for an enchanted gilded crest

90?

[proper onyx]

Yes

[acoustic anchor]

Is it overall better to take AM over RA if you dont care for amount of buttons?

[fading sky]

Soon yes. Now no

[fervent yoke]

I think on some encounters but probably will know for sure after more testing

[proper onyx]

Mythic broodtwister uses AM

[fading sky]

M+ yes

[fervent yoke]

Yeah brood does I saw criticake take it last night in stream

[acoustic anchor]

Ah I'm primarily talking about for m+

Raid is 😴

[south kayak]

I hate playing AM for Slayer

so many desyncs

I wanna use reck with BS

[fervent yoke]

I think AM is taken in keys too

[south kayak]

I had much better results from RA

[wanton cliff]

Of into blade combo

[radiant plank]

You might end up swapping to RA post nerfs depending on your raid comp since everything just dies asap now in the fight

[chrome plover]

brood mythic with AM is so nice

reck+of+roar+bs every add set

[south kayak]

Show your boss damage

[chrome plover]

literally not my job to do boss damage on that fight

[south kayak]

(I’m not doing well)

[desert field]

Lol

[chrome plover]

that's kind of the point yes

we also only progged the first 20% so not really got very good data on that one

but fury fully specs into dealing with the adds on that fight so that classes more suited to ST can kill the boss without worrying

about adds

[nocturne dragon]

I always wonder about this.

I mean did we fury nerf because ppl want to pad too? since fury's burst damage is really2 upfront.

[chrome plover]

🙂

[south kayak]

True we’re chads

[chrome plover]

they nerfed fury because they (probably unintentionally) designed a raid in which lots of the important bosses are perfect for fury warrior's damage profile

even after the nerfs I am 20-30% ahead of the rest of my raid on ansurek hc

[nocturne dragon]

exactly this! Isn't just let Fury have this strength? Like MM hunter must invest heavy either to ST or MT, there is no mix. That MM hunter probably can be glad that he can just spec into ST and not think about adds while Fury handle things.

[chrome plover]

the thing is, fury was really egregious in raid before the nerfs and the nerf was really necessary (at least the of/bladestorm nerf)

the 3% was lazy and hit us in other areas that we werent so good at

fury still has this strength, very much so, rashanan/ovinax/ansurek are still dominated by fury, but the issue is that the nerfs hit us in places we arent strong

[tidal kindle]

Fury was only silly on rash + ansurek heroic week

I just went down the log hole

[unreal pewter]

They nerf fury so hard even arms got hit

[eternal sundial]

I mean rebalancing hero talents is good

[eternal sundial]

I dont wanna only be 1 for 2 years

[tidal kindle]

Like

Lmfao

[fleet sorrel]

suffer

[chrome plover]

yeah but rashanan is because they removed aoe completely from logs

[fleet sorrel]

get nerfed more

[tidal kindle]

If the nerfs made sense I would not care so much

Bladestorm oppressive so let's nerf OF/Roar target cap

[chrome plover]

im still filling the same role on rashanan, every specs single target and i deal with literally every add set by myself

[tidal kindle]

Fury oppressive so let's nerf warbringer

[chrome plover]

i mean the nerfs are lazy/stupid/nonsensical

but i would say the very first of/bs nerf was a reasonable one

[tidal kindle]

This didn't get nerfed btw

At least not as fast/bad as fury did this tier

[chrome plover]

i am in no way arguing the nerfs are good as a whole

[minor vine]

surrender to madness?

[chrome plover]

dont get me wrong

[tidal kindle]

Yah s2m spriest

[eternal sundial]

Can u go last boss only

[fleet sorrel]

the nerfs arent good

they should have been bigger

[worldly thunder]

is it fine to marco recklessness and avatar together ?

[chrome plover]

yes

[minor vine]

s2m was really fun tho

[unreal pewter]

why would they nerf it? It's not warrior

[mystic fox]

Bluemangood phil, bluemangood

[minor vine]

putting a bomb timer on myself and trying to kill the boss before u die was really fun tbh

[eternal sundial]

So real, enha got HC tier helm in vault

Itll RISE

[tidal kindle]

True

At least crater the class

[unreal pewter]

s2m was fun but unballancable

[tidal kindle]

Make it unplayable

Commit to "we don't want you playing warrior anymore"

[minor vine]

iirc, emerald nightmare, arms warrior was pretty strong, if u dropped the correct legendary gloves kekw

that was the shittiest game design ive seen in awhile tho

[eternal sundial]

Inspiring presence had low pickrate

[minor vine]

focused rage arms warrior.

[radiant plank]

demowarlock treatment

[radiant plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468099222424518656/1004846604068602007/caption.gif

[unreal pewter]

immagine you getting sephuz as a first legiondary as arms

[eternal sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069396195135488/20221115_133028.gif

[proper onyx]

did they mention a way to look at rash rankings by unfiltered damage or were they only talking about the button in individual logs?

[tidal kindle]

Individual logs

Hf

🙂

[proper onyx]

but i want to feel like i did something

[tidal kindle]

The parse number is w.e

You kill boss, good shit

My issue is the change creates a scenario where you're misrepresenting info for guilds that suck at logs / have players who care for the parse number and will sandbag guild for it

[chrome plover]

if i went full ST like the top 10 logs my raid would be absolutely doomed lmao

[minor vine]

it was even more cancer because each character had a cap of 4 legendaries only per patch

and blizzard lied to us saying the cap doesnt exist

so if u really DID drop sephuz only, u had to make a new warrior and pray lmao

and grind that artifact power on that warrior too

fun times

[proper onyx]

I don't approve of the change but I could at least get by if they had just set boss damage as the parse and still let us look at rankings for people in aoe jail

[radiant plank]

or hear me out

not include it in allstar

[eternal sundial]

Holy based

Exclude 6 fights from allstar

[radiant plank]

Only make sikran and princess count

in all star

[unreal pewter]

I got sephuz and the game broke me after 1 minute of no CS resets so I switched to prot... I got Arms bis ring and gloves right before the next patch that changed arms and I was literally getting 2 times more rage than without correct legiondaries... "fun" times

[eternal sundial]

Thatd be so fucking funny man

[radiant plank]

it would be

Can we remove add damage from queen logs too

Since it spawns on the same basis as rashanan

[tardy lark]

they die from passive cleave bro

[radiant plank]

and shouldnt be counted for the same reason

[thick fossil]

That shaman buff really took off....

[radiant plank]

Yeah especially the platform adds

you are really just walking up some platforms

[tidal kindle]

It was a nerf they all said!

[radiant plank]

the adds just come and go to passive cleave from walking

[thick fossil]

[warm crag]

@oblique trail

fucked up dm?

[eternal sundial]

I wish i had dn in my DMs spongo

[acoustic anchor]

dn?

[worldly thunder]

does the 4 piece bonus affect bloodbath ? or only blood thirst

[nocturne dragon]

I think affect since your 2p BB counts as empowering rampage too.

However just best not to think about tier set at this point, you play as usual rotation the tier set will work itself no need to track or anything.

[slim grotto]

I am starting mythic raid prog (only doing m+ for crests now), do I want to use mandate > transmitter? Or is transmitter still better overall since most fights are cleave

[warm crag]

whats dn?

[warm crag]

depends on your trinket choices but you should almost always be using treacherous

most of the raid especially in the first 4 fights which you will be dealing with most for now is fury add burst heaven

[clever belfry]

both on those fights.

double on use my King

[warm crag]

id consider ara kara on first 2 and rashanan instead of treach might be worth it

but ye treach mandate is probably optimal

[slim grotto]

Oh I thought double on use is a meme

[eternal sundial]

Man arms is so cool i can just ara kara + mandate

[slim grotto]

In that case, I can pick Mandate OR Transmitter in GV this week. Exhausted all raid loot and no trinks 😦 is one arguabley harder to obtain that I should snag from vault? Or better to just grab transmitter

[eternal sundial]

No transmitter for me (dont have it..)

[eternal sundial]

I mean neither is easy to get

It drops or it doesnt

[slim grotto]

I mean in the sense of competition -- every DPS class can roll for both?

[eternal sundial]

Dont think int can get transmitter

[barren coral]

got absolutely shat on by my 2.5k Rio tank in my first timed +7

any solid walkthrough guides for m+ fury out there?

[slim grotto]

just be happy you got picked

tbh

[clever belfry]

i was playing first boss tank trinket and mandate on kyveza

that fucking sucked let me tell u

[barren coral]

its my key bro

[warm crag]

u got cooked holy shit

[barren coral]

didnt even die during bosses

dude was just like that

[warm crag]

go and watch some fury m+ streamers and look at what they do with their cds

u shouldnt be below tank kingus

[warm crag]

idk transmitter is used on like every fury fight

[eternal sundial]

I will find a more comfy mandate keybind and use x2 on use in the end i think

[slim grotto]

I'm scared my unga bunga brain can't do the extra mech during raid

[eternal sundial]

For parsing mandate seems turbo locked for st

[warm crag]

extra mechanic (move to the front left) (jump 3 times)

[warm crag]

maybe you just dont play fury or

[eternal sundial]

I arm yes

[warm crag]

i found out i was pressing overpower infinitely too much yesterday

[eternal sundial]

In execute then or what

[warm crag]

ye

[eternal sundial]

Didnt look at rage bar...

[warm crag]

still got a r4 st parse i think

[eternal sundial]

Spongus diff i suppose

[warm crag]

very serious and contested spec

[eternal sundial]

Definitely

Cant wait to be first public arms log on the endboss at 500 wr

[warm crag]

maybe you will play fury instead

[mossy fox]

just press ms on cd and whatever buttons in between for good damage

[eternal sundial]

I dont think i will

[warm crag]

ya no but i was rage capping in execute

[eternal sundial]

We have 2 warriors fdk, havoc

[warm crag]

i gained rage??? hahahah

[eternal sundial]

Rage is fine

[mossy fox]

dunno how many times ive asked for it but just move half of critical thinking's execute refund into baseline execute

with crit thinking exe feels good, without it you starve

[clever belfry]

idk as long as silly lB condition exists

exe is just

zzz

[tidal kindle]

silly lB condition?

O lethal

[barren coral]

idk how popular of a take this is but i hate that execute is not the highest prio button everytime you're enraged

its like the most iconic warrior ability for me

[warm crag]

crit thinking shouldnt be a thing

it feels bad to actually kill something with execute

oh wait no they removed that

it still feels weird idk

[lusty jungle]

shield slam crits > execute crits

[pearl crypt]

I feel critcake made a good point about more power being shifted into rampage

I.e. if its available u smash rampage

And rb, bt, execute serve as builders

[warm crag]

goos

[pearl crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-honor-gif-20594347

[warm crag]

this is a good gif

[pearl crypt]

Goos gif

Me playing fury

[clever belfry]

@lost saffron

[slim grotto]

@warm crag ok so across the board people suggest transmitter > mandate but my sim is saying mandate better. Bait?

[warm crag]

pick mandate if you want to optimize obssdamage i dont know why you'd want to do that

treach gives you 15k main stat during cds and fury currently blasts during cds and raid has stuff happening during your cds

[slim grotto]

I meant raidbots bait, not you bait. Ty

[warm crag]

raidbots isnt baiting you its telling you exactly what you asked to sim for

which is probably a 5 min st patchwerk sim and mandate is the better choice for that

[slim grotto]

Do you ever suggest using dungeon slice or multitarget for sim? Or everyone just keeps it at Patch 5min?

[warm crag]

i stick to patchwerk 5 mins and then utilize common sense for trinket choices

you can probably make meaningful aoe sims but i cant and i do not care about them anyways

[chrome plover]

what is this "common sense" tool you speak of?

got a link?

[mossy fox]

it's a weakaura

[eternal sundial]

@chrome plover do you have eyes weakaura

[chrome plover]

no I but I have clock weakaura for when raidleader says "go clockwise"

[tired brook]

Good idea

[lost saffron]

Yes?

[tidal kindle]

You get +2k on st

Vs

• 20k(or more) on aoe

[clever belfry]

meow

[tidal kindle]

Furys job isn't st

[lost saffron]

Rawr

[gleaming siren]

unhinged cat behaviour in Skyhold

:3

[clever belfry]

schmidi maybe

participate in unhinged cat behaviour irl

[lost saffron]

Yes

Rawt

[gleaming siren]

I am allergic to cats irl...

[lost saffron]

Even more reason

To participate

If you cannot interact

[clever belfry]

i am sorry to hear that

[lost saffron]

Act

[gleaming siren]

I have meowed at Anda plenty of times

[clever belfry]

i do not

remember this

[lost saffron]

That's great

How about you meow at me too

[gleaming siren]

meow

[warm crag]

noob lol

[gleaming siren]

You STILL didnt send me the cat pic you promised

[lost saffron]

Imagine being allergic to cats though

[gleaming siren]

(I think)

[lost saffron]

Xdddd

[gleaming siren]

I know

life ruined

[warm crag]

whom

[gleaming siren]

you

[warm crag]

oh ye

[clever belfry]

spongie is a liar and a fraud

[acoustic anchor]

Feels like fury's job is supposed to be mental support animal with all these changes coming in

[kindred swallow]

evoker healer is mad at me because i only have 20 interrupts before stitchflesh and leaves the group

are we finally a support class?

[earnest grail]

Key Level ?

[kindred swallow]

5

[earnest grail]

roflmao

[eternal sundial]

I genuinely hate clockwise as description

[earnest grail]

the evoker is a noob, dont listen to him

[kindred swallow]

being able to pummel and stormbolt while in bladestorm is a blessing tho

[eternal sundial]

Good change ye

Though stormbolt shouldnt do dam

Cringe gameplay to sb in st

[acoustic anchor]

Stormbolt and shockwave dont get added to interrupts on details right? Cuz they're stuns

Even if they do interrupt a spell I mean

[tidal kindle]

Its dmf weekend

https://tenor.com/view/tilda-tilda-swinton-reroll-tilda-reroll-gif-1217453780650550564

[eternal sundial]

Yea

[frozen marten]

Shows up as crowd control

[acoustic anchor]

If not for warrior I wouldnt even be playing the game at this point I think

Gonna stick with it even when getting out dps'ed by aug 🥹

[warm crag]

you have been getting out dpsed by aug since release

[acoustic anchor]

how about dn

[warm crag]

unless the augs in your guild are turbo garbage

[molten wing]

i'm pretty sure they are nerfing fury because the tier set for 11.1 is INSANE

so they are nerfing in advance

[acoustic anchor]

Bold of you to assume I have a guild

[warm crag]

why care whos out dpsing who then lol

[acoustic anchor]

Was just a bad joke

[covert blaze]

no it's not

[supple heath]

GUYS help me make the hard choice

[lament hinge]

weapon if u dont have

[supple heath]

i have 636 craft

[eternal sundial]

Egg

Always

Wep drops from first boss

There's multiplen weps in m+ vault pool

Only 1 egg

[supple heath]

truth, i was thinking the same about first boss myth

[chrome plover]

DOES IT?

[covert blaze]

https://www.twitch.tv/gromnak/clip/ScrumptiousHyperWalrusPeteZarollTie-ftK-RAhhvuKkglzn

@buoyant salmon

holy

[austere siren]

How good is Befoulers Syringe? the Zekvir weapon?

[warm crag]

alright in st

not better than mythic weapons

[austere siren]

better than Hero weapons?

[eternal sundial]

In st yes

[austere siren]

wow

thanks! i got lucky it seems

[vale dove]

hmm

I have this macro

#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use Skarmorak Shard

But been testing out pressing them manually instead and the dps difference is pretty large

anyone else use a macro like this

[heavy dock]

Everyone yes

[warm crag]

speak for yourself fool

this macro is fine though for aoe id maybe put the trinket before avatar but it shouldnt matter at all

[vale dove]

doing it all manually

i get like 8-10mil more damage

than using the macro on the 5 dummys in burst

[warm crag]

i mean the macro doesnt change anything ye

you are doing something else differently and seeing that effect

[covert blaze]

gm sponge

[vale dove]

ye i guess

[sand crest]

I mean using skarmorak shard before ava in aoe is a big diff

I checked and for me at 619 ilvl it gives me 12% extra mast

which is 12% more dmg on OF from ava

but I also dont like macroing ava and reck in aoe as im used to pressing reck before charging in

[crisp prism]

weapons are easier to come by , trinkets are rare

[warm crag]

i dont know how macros solve simultaneous actions

[sand crest]

I only use that macro in st

[warm crag]

since its all off the gcd it might just make the OF already be affected by the trinket

[vale dove]

indeed not entirely sure

[oblique trail]

It goes by order from top to bottom

[sand crest]

thought so

[oblique trail]

You also notice it if you swap reck and avatar around, and see the avatar rage doesn't get doubled if used first in the macro

Effectively though for OFs damage it shouldn't matter

[sand crest]

ye guess itd only affect initial dmg anyway

not the bleed

[covert blaze]

the initial hit is a little delayed

[sand crest]

ah didnt know that

[oblique trail]

As seen here

Battle prowess is the GB trinket

I had avatar first and reck after in my macro at the time

But yeah everything happens regardless before the first hit

[vale dove]

so doesn't actually matter

[oblique trail]

For OFs damage no

But ordering still does matter in general

[vale dove]

👍

[tidal kindle]

I have macros for where instantaneous presses matter as well as separate binds for when you want to press individually

[molten wing]

wonder if i should use Transmitter for M+

or maybe i should use both transmitter and mark

[oblique trail]

Just use Trans + Passive

But yes you should use it

[sand crest]

id never go double on use trink even if it simmed as a 5% upgrade

fuck that

[oblique trail]

15k mainstat or whatever the equivalent is for the ilvl you have is substantially better for AoE than any other trinket rn

[smoky vale]

where is new pfp from

banger pfp every time i see you

[somber elk]

Even better than 639 Mark?

[slim coral]

Double on use actually feels fine as fury

[oblique trail]

I would use a HC transmitter over a 639 mark yes

[oblique trail]

A twitter artist I don't remember rn

[heavy dock]

Why wouldnt you use an ava reck trinket macro tho?

I know in am builds sometimes you used reck alone but with ra i see no point to not

[smoky vale]

gg

[clever belfry]

transmitter op????

[smoky vale]

you dont do that in st?

[tidal kindle]

639 shard though...

[smoky vale]

i swear i saw something that if you prepulled with ava reck charge its barely ahead if anything

[oblique trail]

Still transmitter

Sorry..

[glacial leaf]

if you use right and it not anoying you, yes

[tidal kindle]

Didnt get to edit in raid

I think itd be close
Transmitter infinitely better for aoe/cds
Depends on how long you can keep 5x passive on shard for boss/prio

[hasty sable]

my god, fury is absolutely cooked on m+ if they implement these target cap changes

[tidal kindle]

Only applicable to ansurek (my 639 shard v H Transmitter comment)

[fleet sorrel]

Blow up

[chrome plover]

die fury die

[oblique trail]

I had the option to pick a myth mark this week

Took a socket instead 👍

[fleet sorrel]

Blow up

[oblique trail]

Thank you vil

[tidal kindle]

Glow up

[serene fox]

target cap changes?

[glacial leaf]

not yet

[serene fox]

what are the changes (proposed)

[unreal pewter]

Fury is getting changed to (Emotional) support spec

[oblique trail]

Tr and Of changed to 5 target softcap

Also #updates-midnight

[brazen estuary]

why put a cap on it? whats the logical reason

[unreal pewter]

when people thing they are doing shit DPS, they can check that they are still ahead of fury and feel better

[serene fox]

thats pretty big

[tidal kindle]

Silly dev believes the on hit damage of these 2 buttons is the issue for our 3 gcd aoe burst

[hasty sable]

we're not that good already but 5 target cap will decimate this spec on BL pulls in higher keys

[somber elk]

War devs smoke Crack

[serene fox]

arcane and windweaver still fun tho 👍

[tidal kindle]

Silly dev also believes warbinger (they meant warbreaker- a talent thats p much never used much less for its immediate damage) is also an aoe issue

So they nerf target caps when instead they should probably go read the wowhead guide

[smoky vale]

gfury is losing is mind

[tidal kindle]

Tell me where I'm wrong though

[smoky vale]

not

[golden hare]

garms for warrior dev 2025

[tidal kindle]

[unreal pewter]

Well I still keep saying that devs that made Shadowlands story are now in charge of warrior balancing

That's the only logical explanation

[hasty sable]

imagine designing a raid so that a certain spec exceeds in burst aoe and then nerfing the only thing this spec is good at without giving anything in return

[brazen estuary]

What do you mean "is the issue"? I dont get what the problem with these two abilities is currently?

Is it too much damage according to them or what?

[tidal kindle]

While feedback saying "hey this damage profile and the way these talents work is going to be an issue, probably change smth" was given during beta and ignored

[tidal kindle]

Yes

[brazen estuary]

What the fuck man

[tidal kindle]

Fury has very easy to setup burst in the raid

[hasty sable]

:Deadge:

[tidal kindle]

Though thats not because of the on-hit damage of roar and OF

[brazen estuary]

ima fucking uninstall if they do that, fuck every other class in this game. Only returned since legion to play warrior

[tidal kindle]

At least, not to the extent in the raid to where you'd nerf their target caps

[brazen estuary]

and arms is clunky as fuck

[tidal kindle]

They aim to nerf culling cyclone damage when its it's primarily an ST talent

[frozen tartan]

Insert First Time? Meme here

[golden hare]

too many charmanders today

[tidal kindle]

Okay wth

I just noticed the same thing

[maiden sierra]

is there a soft haste cap u shouldnt go over?

[brazen estuary]

hey Char-Bro

[golden hare]

nop, just do top gear sims

[hasty sable]

I thought they said that the main issue for all these years designing WoW was that they didn't listen to player feedback :KEKW:

[maiden sierra]

trying to decide if i should the craft the cloak haste/mast or vers/mast :p

[barren coral]

thats not an issue in itself, fury will still be great because of the raid favoring him, doesnt matter if the baseline is weak

but m+ is also content that exists

[oblique trail]

Mast + anything is fine

Does not really matter

[brazen estuary]

When is this change supposed to be implemented? I cant see it

im blinded by rage right now

[tidal kindle]

.5 patch

About a month (speculated)

[brazen estuary]

FUCK

[golden hare]

there is still time to revert it

[brazen estuary]

fucking ion haziksoskashah

[tired brook]

W

[acoustic anchor]

[tidal kindle]

Don't think ion had any direct involvement in this

Doubt his role covers the ins and outs of class balance

[brazen estuary]

he looks like a mage player, i believe he did

[inner shadow]

what do i upgrade

in here?

im at cap 2k valor

[hasty sable]

like, I don't get it, why would they bother when warrior isn't a stackable class in raid anyways but it still gets shit for that reason

[tidal kindle]

Was a big rsham enjoyer

[tired brook]

max nerfed fury

[hasty sable]

in any other content

[modest condor]

not stackable

looks at broodtwister

[barren coral]

it was very clearly a huge FOTM contender before mythic launched

[modest condor]

hmmge

[tidal kindle]

Ansurek

[warm crag]

looks at every fight in the raid

[modest condor]

i wouldnt consider 2 a stack

[barren coral]

no hard feelings from blizz, thats just what happens when you top dps in heroic week

[warm crag]

you can 2 stack warrior every boss except for like court

[barren coral]

but again

my issue is that our m+ sucks ass

[hasty sable]

ok, people are going to take 2 warriors at most

while you can still take 4 dk's

[barren coral]

why am i competing on the dps chart with aug???

[tidal kindle]

I would for melee if they delete 1 aspect of the fight*

[warm crag]

being brought twice is significantly above average

you do not bring more than one fdk for anything other than broodtwister lol

[tired brook]

in m+ if you’re “competing with aug” you just blow

[hasty sable]

and let's be honest, m+ is 90% of high-end content for most players

[modest condor]

for people who dont mythic raid maybe

the vast majority of raiders only do m+ for vault

[tired brook]

wait until monday night -> do 8 10s miserably -> open vault -> repeat

[barren coral]

a hyperbole but arms does kinda compete with aug in m+

[clever belfry]

you could make same 2x argument for fdk on all bosses as u did for warr tho

[unreal pewter]

my high end content is delves #gamerdad

[clever belfry]

arms and fdk kinda do the same on kyvezza

[smoky vale]

aug does more damage than fury in aoe 🙂

[clever belfry]

while fdk is vastly tankier

[compact siren]

Cat pope meow for me

[smoky vale]

prob best class in aoe when cds are being assigned and adds are constantly spawning

[warm crag]

fair king

so there is a class as good as fury

[hasty sable]

I agree but It's not like stackable classes for certain bosses is a new thing and still I wouldn't consider 2 as stackable

[warm crag]

and its the class that everyone is malding about not being nerfed

[clever belfry]

fury isnt a class

[warm crag]

Fak!

[clever belfry]

u wouldnt bring a fury over a fdk ever on kyveza

[compact siren]

L!

[warm crag]

ye ok but if u only play fury u need god

or u revoke malding privilege

[clever belfry]

yea if youre that bad of an otper

fury performs perfectly fine

👍👍👍👍

[hasty sable]

is it really from the melee dps perspective?

[barren coral]

i mean honestly raid fury is perfectly fine, so is pvp which is rare

[pale lava]

this made me really angry when I saw the notes ngl

[barren coral]

m+ is where i wish i had more impact

[tidal kindle]

Public log fury p close with arms on m kyveza

Operating word public

[clever belfry]

its a bit griefed in higher keys by its damage profile
but for the keys almost anyone does fury is quite good

[tidal kindle]

Fury better liver there too

[warm crag]

especially from the melee dps perspective

[clever belfry]

cause shit kinda dies in your burst

[barren coral]

cyclone is exclusively a ST talent, 20% spread over MORE targets sucks, but 20% more dps on your highest ST button is amazing

[clever belfry]

n = 2 or what

[warm crag]

u usually want more ranged than melee

[tidal kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798810105151750144/1291652623484850266/image.png?ex=6700e0bf&is=66ff8f3f&hm=a3934c0caad88157fa5daa74bdf4287dfdb71a5c9fcdba87f55f132996f64b92&

[warm crag]

everyone brings a raid buff at this point

[tidal kindle]

6 hr ago

[warm crag]

being brought more than once is a privilege that warrior is currently enjoying while ppl cry about being garbage useless

[tired brook]

look at andre’s talents

[clever belfry]

idk man

[tidal kindle]

What about

[clever belfry]

on our 50% pulls

[tired brook]

if its the 1 i remember seeing he was cookin hard

[clever belfry]

i was above these arms quite often....

[tired brook]

maybe its his heroic kyveza parse

[clever belfry]

and im turbo bad at arms...

[tired brook]

but he has a pretty odd talent setup

[hasty sable]

no one cries about the raid, the main issue is m+ that they do not consider

[clever belfry]

I think there is a "hey arms is good, ill press n respec" going on

[tidal kindle]

I still think arms is better dam

[clever belfry]

and people ONLY playing arms for one voss

[tidal kindle]

But if you need live

[clever belfry]

even if they're good players

will be an issue!

[warm crag]

i think you should stop proccing enough SDs to maintain 15x juggernaut before execute

[tidal kindle]

Fury dam gap isnt too far off

[clever belfry]

hey i got to 12

[mossy fox]

i look forward to playing arms on kyveza and just press buttons

[clever belfry]

and then it dropped

[clever belfry]

yeah at that point stay fury

straight up

[mossy fox]

wtf

[tidal kindle]

Press CS > get mech > run out > cry

[warm crag]

yes people specifically cry about fury raid statistics, just because you're reasonable and dont cry about fury raid performance and nerfs doesnt mean that other people dont

[tired brook]

[tidal kindle]

Jugg falls while run out

Cry more

[clever belfry]

wish i could play arms on rash honestly

[tired brook]

movement speed enjoyers are eating good on kyveza

[mossy fox]

i can surely wing it with arms

[clever belfry]

but im ethical fury aoe spec

[warm crag]

this chat is legit a printing press for people misinterpreting wclogs stats, crying about triple melee comps not being optimal for m+ or some other new talking point i havent seen yet

[hasty sable]

arms is getting shit coz of fury anyways due to the design choices :KEKW:

[slim coral]

How much damage is arms doing in execute though

[mossy fox]

same i got a 99 rasha yesterday even though i was ethically deleting adds

[tidal kindle]

Triple melee is not optimal, only double

[tired brook]

having 4 melee on last boss ara kara

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

why are you despairing you can leap

[barren coral]

sin/fdk/ret is not optimal?

[tired brook]

leap?

[tidal kindle]

Thats the joke

[mossy fox]

my group will have enhance fury ret

[tired brook]

quite a loss

[tidal kindle]

Sin fdk enh*

[barren coral]

my bad

[tired brook]

i meant for poison

[mossy fox]

and rsham is gonna place poison cleanse totem

[tired brook]

not for blood pool

[mossy fox]

[warm crag]

oh i mean just press a defensive

[acoustic anchor]

whats dn?

[clever belfry]

Just play mandate and tank trinket...

[warm crag]

you can sort yourself around the boss so you wont cleave each other

[tired brook]

[tidal kindle]

Pile on

[tidal kindle]

Just have mandate and tank trinket....

[warm crag]

its not hard ye the green lines are orthogonal to each other

[queen linden]

Oh no... did he just...

[clever belfry]

i did a normal pug

for my tank trinkey..

[slim coral]

I’m sorry you had to do that

[tidal kindle]

I lost the roll gg

[clever belfry]

then did hc first boss and forgot to be in tank lootspec

[barren coral]

what do you need to get KSM? timed +7 on every dungeon?

[modest condor]

no

[tired brook]

had the most entertaining heroic pug tonight, think we were 7/9/13 on broodtwister

[tidal kindle]

We still do heroic w/ guild

[warm crag]

dont u play magician fdk and aug or smth else

[tidal kindle]

Double gg

[slim coral]

Heroic pugs are a nightmare

[tired brook]

best pull 73% but we were putting in work

🙏

[clever belfry]

we do sikran-> last 2 with 2 splits

[queen linden]

Only reason to do heroic with your guild is get them juicy 99s

[slim coral]

I cannot imagine pugging this raid in heroic

[queen linden]

[hasty sable]

might be true but the most complaints I've seen here were about m+ damage, I just wish they would focus more on designing fury for more consistent dps outside of cd's without nerfing it to the ground and designing the class anew

[clever belfry]

its very good with the skip!

[tidal kindle]

Nerf (i think) was cooking some melee comp that was like fdk enh + aug/sin

[acoustic anchor]

Yeah something like that

[restive pewter]

it was fine until the last boss

[tidal kindle]

It was brought up in gchat discord

[restive pewter]

pugs cannot do p1

[mossy fox]

it's worth it unfortunately because for some reason the debuff deals infinite damage

[tidal kindle]

Idr if nerf exactly

[restive pewter]

idk why

[warm crag]

like the top keys rn are just aug fdk + some caster

[clever belfry]

fdk aug assa >

enh is not it...

[smoky vale]

all 8s is 2250 so all 7s sounds like enough

[tired brook]

this weeks affix is making bladestorm on my weakaura show it’s up but it’s actually on cd

pain

[tidal kindle]

We dont have a keyer sin rogue, but we do have keyer enh

[slim coral]

Yes

[tidal kindle]

In guild

[warm crag]

idk if magicians start dying in high keys

[clever belfry]

lol

no

[tidal kindle]

Magicians dont die

[mossy fox]

magicians are immortal too

[clever belfry]

magussy if press defensive

[mossy fox]

same with fdk

[tidal kindle]

Spriest cant die cuz not brought

[clever belfry]

unkillable

[tidal kindle]

[slim coral]

That’s what happens when you import atrcocity illegally

[warm crag]

oly moly have to scroll halfway down the page to find the first double melee comp

[tired brook]

i’m subbed to his discord rn

do i need to update or what

[warm crag]

i reimported 2 days ago and its not properly tracking the bladestorm cdr

[slim coral]

Yeah double melee gets gapped

[smoky vale]

guess who didnt resub 🙂

[modest condor]

as long as he waits 1-2 seconds to let you reposition i guess

[slim coral]

Nah Its just a joke you’re fine

[acoustic anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3392281

Spriest and warrior:

[tidal kindle]

We're prob gonna do sikran + last 3

[barren coral]

quick offtopic but now that ive found out upgraded BT doesnt count here, this set bonus sucks ass

[tidal kindle]

Down bad for transmitters

No split tho

[slim coral]

I got both on my dk and war

Never felt better

[mossy fox]

prespread as the debuff is being cast would work too ig

[tired brook]

yes, our set bonus sucks, play normally and take the ~2% increase ^^

[tidal kindle]

[slim coral]

Can finally play rider

[mossy fox]

we havent practiced it much but it's gonna be worth

[modest condor]

you cant because sometimes it overlaps with mechanics

[slim coral]

Apparently you can’t play rider without transmitter

[modest condor]

mechanics being the circles

[mossy fox]

just monkasteer

[warm crag]

the entire mechanic is just solved if u preposition in a diamond or

relative to world grid

[clever belfry]

not called BT is it

[smoky vale]

its bb

[modest condor]

bb for byebye fury in 11.0.5

[clever belfry]

no

[warm crag]

is it random?

[clever belfry]

Cause u can get leftright or frontback

[tidal kindle]

Yes

[clever belfry]

If youre in a diagonal line tbo

[warm crag]

gg no re

[modest condor]

yeah i heard the talent is greyed out

[clever belfry]

that works!

[tired brook]

i’m new to warrior but got a 96 parse on mythic blood after watching a critcake video 5 mins before pulling

[smoky vale]

😍

[tired brook]

ty critcake

[tidal kindle]

Ive seen 3 front backs when we lined up in square/rhomboid

[warm crag]

i think you should do the non WA cheater archimonde stratagem for ara kara last boss

[hasty sable]

it's absolute shit and I don't get why they focus on base form of BT/RB while people use RA and Rampage hits like a wet noodle

[clever belfry]

Yeah we had 2 calls for double melee

house or fence

[tidal kindle]

And 1 person just instadie

[clever belfry]

houses was 2-1 fence is 3-0

[tidal kindle]

[clever belfry]

what is house
what is fence

figure it out

[smoky vale]

for ara kara isnt it just stand parallel to someone and dont get hit

[clever belfry]

real kings stand diagonal

[serene fox]

any diagonal kings

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/harrypotter-gif-7966636

DIAGONALLY

[tired brook]

I personally spread the love and hit anyone in my general direction with the poison wave

[errant vessel]

perpendicular gaming

[slim coral]

lol good one there

[clever belfry]

crazy drawing skills i know

[heavy dock]

I press it after charge usually

[tired brook]

can you pixel stack with the waves and md?

[clever belfry]

if u wanna die yws

[heavy dock]

0 point not having macro imo

[balmy shore]

arteest

[tired brook]

Deal

[mossy fox]

poison debuff is green

[clever belfry]

Im colourblind

[mossy fox]

same

[clever belfry]

(not quite, but i have defficiency)

[fallen sedge]

Since we are getting nerfed again, what other classes did you guys find fun? I'm thinking of leveling an enh shaman

[tidal kindle]

I'm just blind

[clever belfry]

Logout is fun class

[slim coral]

Dk

[tidal kindle]

[slim coral]

Dk

It owns

[tired brook]

i find warrior to be fun

[tidal kindle]

Think I'm replacing my soul eater w/ gunlancer

[slim coral]

Bro I wish

[heavy dock]

Wardancer all the way bro

[tired brook]

currently leveling a gunbreaker

[slim coral]

Imagine a gun glass in wow

[tidal kindle]

WD main

[smoky vale]

prot / learning aug 🙂

[tidal kindle]

🤝

[heavy dock]

Thats me

[flint otter]

i honestly can't believe frost DK isn't getting nerfed

and fury is lmao

[slim coral]

I mean unholy is just as good

[flint otter]

is it?

I don't see many in M+ 10s

[slim coral]

Yes

[heavy dock]

Even better on st yea

[tired brook]

all of the top performing classes will inevitably get nerfed, but unholy is just up there with fdk

[flint otter]

so idk

[tidal kindle]

Brought to you by the team that thinks warbringer needs nerfing

[fallen sedge]

I think I may go with ret or frost

[hasty sable]

FDK is always the 2nd choice to cope after warrior nerfs

[slim coral]

That’s because everyone is geared for frost and it’s just as good

[heavy dock]

Unholy is harder to play

[mossy fox]

warbringer is so strong

[slim coral]

I only know this because wowheads last dk guide writer is in my guild

[tired brook]

enhance looks like it fucks hard

[heavy dock]

From what i remember

[flint otter]

well i have an Unholy DK sitting there at 593 ilvl, it may be time to dust the ol' gal off

[tired brook]

dude in my key was pulling 4-5m average every pack

[tidal kindle]

I believe it brings The War Within us all

[slim coral]

I actually don’t know anything about the 2 specs personally just word of mouth

[flint otter]

Unholy has a long ramp period

[tired brook]

within 1m of each other

[clever belfry]

stop thinking in specs

[heavy dock]

[clever belfry]

you have a dk, not an unholy dk

[flint otter]

i have a tiny dk

[tidal kindle]

This is why I can't ever main rogue

I'm only enjoy outlaw

[flint otter]

same buddy

[tidal kindle]

But I'd want to be good at sin/sub as well

[tired brook]

just waiting for demo lock to get nether portal back so i can play my fav build again

[errant vessel]

anyone know the exact range on whirlwind cleave?

[mossy fox]

yeah i have a very good idea of whirlwind range in game

couldnt tell you how many yards it is

[fallen sedge]

should I expect more nerfs then lol? I heard fury was bad late in DF but i didnt play then

[vague copper]

Dont talk about WW range they will nerf it

We need to stand INSIDE the mob to do dmg

[wanton cliff]

TRUEEEE

[tidal kindle]

[wanton cliff]

shhh

[tidal kindle]

I know

[vague copper]

with 3m 2handed sword

[hasty sable]

they can't nerf us all at the same time :Copium:

[smoky vale]

what game is this

gw2?

[balmy shore]

lost ark

[heavy dock]

Ah i stopped playing lost ark sometime before akkan release

[errant vessel]

I didn't even know whirlwind cleaved behind you until I saw your bloodbound vid

[fallen sedge]

they can thats the issue 😭

[clever belfry]

Korea game

[heavy dock]

I was a proud 4 spender wd enjoyer

[errant vessel]

was sure it was a cone in front

[mossy fox]

yea you can cover a decent area with whirlwind cleave

[hasty sable]

3rd choice is DH/Ret or Quit

[heavy dock]

Just play mage

Never nerfed

[fallen sedge]

only 1 mage spec in top 3? better give them a 10% aura buff

[wanton cliff]

does ww strafe jumping work in retail or that just a classic thing cant remeber

to widen

[hasty sable]

range cucks never, zug for life

[heavy dock]

Classic

[kindred swallow]

straight up zugging it

[heavy dock]

One more nerf announced im going back to sod to play melee hunter

[forest owl]

how is unholy dk in m+? i always see frost but i see some unholy sign up wonder if its any decent

[wanton cliff]

pretty good

[clever path]

Big d

[heavy dock]

https://youtu.be/YmTE7PGABTU?si=UZ9_8gYtFj6eyGNt

[wanton cliff]

kinda like us tho , huge cds kinda meh outside of it

[heavy dock]

Very good in big pulls

[forest owl]

[heavy dock]

Ok dont mind the dps idk how this guy just pulls 2m on every dungeon

[smoky vale]

xd

[tidal kindle]

UDK cooldowns are insane if you pull around them

[smoky vale]

guys

[fallen sedge]

Even with big pulls I struggle to consistently pull 1m even at 613

[clever belfry]

spill issue

[forest owl]

im trying to decide if i suck in m+ or some classes are just stomping, had a udk few ilvls below me only 100k lower on overall

[tidal kindle]

• spill issue

[clever belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036569490416214027/1062684236437524490/skillissue.gif

[opal spindle]

FURY is Dead spec

[heavy dock]

I mean i think we all know what udk can do in large pulls

[oblique trail]

Zyonix!!!

[clever belfry]

zyonussy

[heavy dock]

As it was in every mdi comp lol

[oblique trail]

Say the word!

Lament!

[clever belfry]

it was in mdi

like 2 ssns

?

[heavy dock]

Idk im just saying the only ones ive seen there was an uhdk pulling 10 billion dps or some shit

[clever belfry]

my dk man really tried to make us play udk in SL s2

[heavy dock]

I very much remember an underrot video in bfa where 2 udks did an ungodly amount of dps

[clever belfry]

(he was on rogue doing ST dps while i was farming aoe)

[clever belfry]

yes bfa was udk playground, in 2 keys in s2

then s4

and in s4 u played triple hunter

like 5/10 keys

👍

[heavy dock]

Idk i barely touched bfa

[clever belfry]

i know i played the mdi

👍

[slim coral]

Yes and you can pair with Aug which people love

[wanton cliff]

i remember s1 slands unholy poped too

[tidal kindle]

Anything w/ strong CDs pairs well w/ aug

strong cds

current fury

arms in execute

[slim coral]

Uh idk about that for fury but yeah true

[tidal kindle]

[tidal kindle]

That's the joke

[slim coral]

I don’t know how strong Aug is for fury tbh

Idk how Aug buffs work in terms of how the buffs help classes

[tidal kindle]

I got auged on aotc ansurek

That's it

[fallen sedge]

i barely notice AUG tbh

I'd prefer a 3rd dps instead of aug

[slim coral]

[fallen sedge]

I once got a PI in raid but the tank died and I got melee'd to death instantly :c

[clever belfry]

pov mdi s4 bfa

[slim coral]

Good times

Junkyard was back

Survival op

[clever belfry]

???

[errant vessel]

why was bm so disgustingly broken again?

[clever belfry]

bfa ???

surv???

[oblique trail]

mate

Surv was SL

[clever belfry]

did many damage

thats it

always had damage

big aoe

big st

corruption moment

[slim coral]

Oh my fault I was thinking SL lmao

[clever belfry]

u had perma cds cause of cdr

[errant vessel]

ye but what corruption was it that they were scaling so hard with

[fallen sedge]

I think I am to blame for fury getting nerfed tbh, I was having a blast and blizzard noticed it sorry

[errant vessel]

haste?

[oblique trail]

Crit iirc

[clever belfry]

haste crit and mast

haste and crit gave u cdr

mast big dammies

[slim coral]

I started in Nya so I forgot bfa had 4 seasons tbh

[oblique trail]

Imagine being a spec that just wanted stat corruptions

Couldn't have been my class!

[slim coral]

Exped 3

God I miss it

[errant vessel]

53% flat crit fury was pretty funky

[safe juniper]

I may be doing the class wrong in keys but do we just feel completely useless without cds up with M+

[clever belfry]

correct

[slim coral]

I really wish I got to prog eternal palace

[clever belfry]

press BT/BB hope u proc reap

[safe juniper]

like yea we still do damage but like compared to a WW monk i feel bad

[slim coral]

That raid looked so fucking cool

[safe juniper]

with cds i feel great but still afterwards its like eh

[slim coral]

That’s the downside of having actual cds

Reminds me of unholy with 3-5 mins

[safe juniper]

has anyone tried Mountain thane is it more jus sustain ?

[oblique trail]

It's slightly more sustain but infinitely worse ST

[wanton cliff]

any1 played am this week with the extra cdr ? m+

[oblique trail]

👍

[slim coral]

It’s worse because st is dog

[slim coral]

On ovinax yeah

[hardy cargo]

That was the first tier I played mythic it was mega fun, I love looking back and seeing how bad my play was xd

[slim coral]

Tried it in keys a little it’s meh

[wanton cliff]

sorry should have stated m+

[oblique trail]

They're talking M+

not keys

xd?

[clever belfry]

the actual reason udk was good in bfa..

[oblique trail]

But no AM is not worth even with the tiny bit of extra CDR

[slim coral]

I figured that out after I posted

[slim coral]

Which raid was this

[oblique trail]

[clever belfry]

raid

[fading bane]

Shrine

[slim coral]

Uldir?

[clever belfry]

shrine of the storm buddy

[slim coral]

Oh shit that’s shrine?!

[oblique trail]

it's first boss

[hardy cargo]

Funnel was insane on unholy

[slim coral]

Forgot about the bosses in there

Except the mind control one

[clever belfry]

correct

[slim coral]

And the duo one

[mossy fox]

were demon hunting back then

[clever belfry]

sores quadratic was good ST, if stacked properly
festermight was silly amount of dam when u had army too

[oblique trail]

same

[clever belfry]

i had the caster wep from carapace

on my dh

in OH

[oblique trail]

love TD/IS being all your damage

[clever belfry]

for higher ilvl IS

😎

[mossy fox]

oh i forgot the you in that sentence

[oblique trail]

fuck..

Thought Crit shared my pain..

[mossy fox]

i was armsing

[oblique trail]

gg

[tidal kindle]

Miss nya arms...

[slim coral]

It’s kinda crazy how cool dks look with their cds and the visuals for their class look

[tidal kindle]

All predictable damage

Fast as fuck boiiiieeeee

[slim coral]

Maybe one day warrior will get some visual fx love

[hardy cargo]

My first pink mythic log ever was infinite stars proc, I was very good at game then

[slim coral]

I miss twilight dev procs

[oblique trail]

I had a good average that tier, think first I had an 95+ average

But it was not because I was necessarily good

xd

[slim coral]

You’re the goat

Don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise

[oblique trail]

I'll tell myself otherwise because the skill included to play DH that tier was none

[slim coral]

Apparently ret is brain dead now

[oblique trail]

Proc corruptions, parse well

If not, gg go next week

[slim coral]

Apparently easier than bm?

[mossy fox]

skillfully proc stars and td

[slim coral]

Infinite stars?

[oblique trail]

Skillfully proc 5 IS in the first 10 seconds

Then rip aggro

And die

[hardy cargo]

Iirc I had purp avg with blues on all end wing+last 2 bosses I was stinker in nya

[mossy fox]

also skillfully avoid killing yourself on maut

[oblique trail]

yeah

[slim coral]

I forgot what infinite stars did

[oblique trail]

impossible challenge

[slim coral]

I never got to use it