fury

[heavy dock]

oh my fkin god it finally dropped

[cold silo]

What does this mean? It says 99 on my key% but 20 on my parse

[sullen dove]

holy

[fresh flume]

kind of new to wow; fury warrior has been my main since ive started, haste vers is stat priority right? then mastery and crit

[eager thorn]

Do m+ parses even take performance into consideration

Isn’t it just key lvl

[floral cipher]

yeah that makes sense, just dont really know what else i would take besides improved ww

[cold silo]

mastery, haste, versatility, then crit last

[minor kindle]

Strength > mastery > haste

[quiet geyser]

VC

[fresh flume]

okay thank you!

[quiet geyser]

You get the benefit for like 60% of the fight due to the hp

[fresh flume]

I've memorized the rotation for every situation right now but i still get flamed for having low dps, I think its because of my ilvl though

[heavy dock]

someone tell me first trinket was slot 13 and bottom one was 14 right

[heavy plover]

Yes

[gusty cloak]

do you guys have all different gems with prismatic? or all Mast/haste gems... sim says do all mast/haste with the prismatic

[eager thorn]

Make sure you have 1 of each colour at least then prob just fill with quick onyx

On the sim also ensure you’re checking the 2 toggle boxes at gems

Saying always use prismatic and always use 4+ colours

[gusty cloak]

gotcha gotcha

[main bobcat]

Anyone have insight (the "why") on the ST vs. MT Fury opener. Specifically, seeing the delay to enraging in the MT via Rampage so far down the prio list vs. ST. Why wouldn't we want an enraged Thunderous Roar just as we want an enraged Champ Spear? And Bladestorm for that matter too. Appreciate it!

[analog sky]

Can anyone show me the talents for single and multi target on fury?

[modest condor]

you're playing titanic rage so you're already enraged from pressing avatar

[warm crag]

in aoe u play titans torment titanic rage and enrage thru pressing all ur cds

[frail trout]

I went arms for our Rasha kill yesterday, felt good - the free aoe from roar and bladestorm wasn't bad either

We had another warrior as fury though so more people could just ignore them

[main bobcat]

Of course...mbad

[proud portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif?ex=66ffb6a0&is=66fe6520&hm=46b5924d76e1e2aa30245aeab4bf4d1c6acc3d655356a07100b77e3032a1c526&

[unreal cosmos]

@edgy widget in your post about the last ptr note, the -0,2% for slayer is in comparison to now or -0,2% after the capped version of of and roar ? Thanks !

[proud portal]

It's the changes about recent PTR notes.

But if we combined that with capped version it might be higher -

[gilded pawn]

If he doesn’t mention exactly how many target counts you can assume he’s talking about st

[unreal cosmos]

Yes I'm trying to understand what's the point of reference for the minus, is it now or the already nerfed version ? If it's the already nerfed version it's far worse

[unreal cosmos]

Make senz, thanks mate

Sense*

[gilded pawn]

Also caps really don’t matter too much for most content

Does make bursting lots of adds worse

[burnt kelp]

I do like playing with AM

[edgy widget]

single target; multitarget is a lot more variable depending on what we're talking about (also AM needs updates for the new changes)

[unreal cosmos]

Well with the bleed, cap is a real DPS loss no? Since it's 3 targets less that will bleed

[unreal cosmos]

I see, thanks for the answer

Since it's ST, I'm having difficulties to see the point of nerfing the worst st DPS

[errant vessel]

Does anyone know if Frenzied Enrage is better than Powerful on AM?

[olive wraith]

Probably powerful since you’ll have more cds

[unreal cosmos]

Does one fury warrior slept with the wife of the fury Dev ?

[errant vessel]

Ye but Frenzied means more rage generation for resetting cds

[burnt kelp]

there's no spec dev, I don't think there's even a dev per class

tbh that would be a difficult job

[olive wraith]

You’ll have plenty of rage with 30s bs

And more rek uptime as well

[unreal cosmos]

Sure, tbh not trashing them, must not be easy, still I find the nerf somewhat unexpected (other than the very first one)

[fiery spindle]

do you guys recommend using something like this? https://wowlazymacros.com/t/sezls-fury-warrior-war-within-11-0-one-button/42692

[burnt kelp]

Nah nah I was definitely expected a second nerf after the first one, contrary to popular belief devs actually read class discords and forums quite a lot and everyone was saying how those nerfs didn't change anything and fury would still be first

[unreal cosmos]

Well, in fact, when I see archimtiros's reply on his tweets, seems like an awful lot of ppl think we are so much overpowered

[burnt kelp]

3rd and 4th nerfs were surprising tho, I'll admit that

[quiet geyser]

The ST was nerfed through the hero tree, which was in response to slayer far beating out mountain thane. The issue is, even fury slayer is underperforming in ST to basically any other spec in the game lol. While their focus should have been to buff MT, they chose to go the stupid route.

[burnt kelp]

I blame warrior players, they didn't doom enough, should have done it like paladins and say that the class is completely unplayable and does less damage than tanks

[olive wraith]

It’s not even Mt that’s the issue

[burnt kelp]

best way to avoid nerfs

[olive wraith]

It’s just the burst windows lining up with raid timers

[unreal cosmos]

Don't know, seeing critcake vid on cap nerd was almost heartbreaking, looked so sad

[vague copper]

How far off is AM vs RA in M+ atm?

[unreal cosmos]

Cap nerf*

[burnt kelp]

I think he was just tired

[olive wraith]

They’re pretty close in overall I think.

RA has more prio/st

[unreal cosmos]

Just you wait for 10th nerf, you will be surprised!

[quiet geyser]

There is a tuning patch coming up, possibly announced tomorrow. Feel like people are split between excpecting a ST buff, or dooming expecting a 5th nerf lol

[earnest grail]

you sure there is one coming?

[quiet geyser]

Theres always 1 soon after the race is over

[thin cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[restive fiber]

another nerf ?

[olive wraith]

Incoming nerfs for fdk

[earnest grail]

i will only believe that when its announced

[olive wraith]

For all the non believers that rerolled

[unreal cosmos]

Just want them to acknowledge our existence!

Fury are ppl too

[olive wraith]

They’ve acknowledged us 5 times already

[earnest grail]

imagine, you reroll from fury to fdk, only to get fked as well

[unreal cosmos]

Ahah, perhaps it's better to lay low

[charred panther]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[quiet geyser]

Believing theres a tuning patch is very realistic. Believing warrior actually gets any meaningful changes, if any at all, is questionable

[runic violet]

go pinkman, they are usually safe

[olive wraith]

Boomie is looking great too

[earnest grail]

im rly enjoying my frost mage and ele shaman alt, holy paladin is funny too

[buoyant salmon]

warriors been safe for a few years straight

[burnt kelp]

if fdk gets nerfed

just swap to unholy dk

[earnest grail]

nah

[burnt kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[earnest grail]

to enhancer

then they nerf shaman

[burnt kelp]

then we go pinkman

wait no, before all of that

[lament lagoon]

Buff? I ain’t heard that name in yearss

[burnt kelp]

everyone swap to dwarf or night elf mage

we must get mages nerfed

[earnest grail]

i was questioning what the pinkman is, but then i realised its paladin lol

[rugged pewter]

This is a hopeium chat

There will be buffs

[burnt kelp]

[runic violet]

like 2 seasons later

[burnt kelp]

if fury could stop getting arms nerfed

that would be nice

[earnest grail]

they should buff collossus

i want to play Demolish Build, but its weakaf

[buoyant salmon]

in m+ its good

[burnt kelp]

I don't wanna play colossus

if demolish was hammer of light, I'd consider it

[quiet geyser]

In blizzard'a SLIGHTEST Defense, it really does seem like they thought yesterday's PTR patch notes were "good", or in the right direction. Implementation was just off by A LOT. Might mean theres some light at the end of the tunnel. They've kinda addressed there's an issue, we just hope they have more work cooking

[earnest grail]

i dont want an reroll to colossus, i want an alternative

[olive wraith]

I’m a believer that the changes made us better for keys

[lament lagoon]

True but no whatever what the zug will never die

Anyways, do I need 2 sparks to upgrade form 619 to 636 wep?

[burnt kelp]

you don't re-use sparks, if that's your question

[lament lagoon]

It is, good

[earnest grail]

maybe we should send some deaththreats like the mages

[olive wraith]

No Recrafting doesn’t cost sparks

[burnt kelp]

do mages actually do that

[lament lagoon]

Perf

[earnest grail]

yes, the druids too

[lament lagoon]

Just got my gilded after blowing 30 by accident

[lethal onyx]

😂

[quiet geyser]

Mountain thane needs a shit ton of tuning, but slayer only really needs a few changes to fix it:

1. fan of long swords in the hero tree somewhere. Having to waste every 5 gcd on weak ass whirlwind in sustained AoE is outdated. Fan of long swords legit fixes that so easily.

2. rampage and execute damage buffed. Both those abilities just dont feel fun to press. I dunno, but i feel like your big spender you dump all your rage into, and an ability meant to EXECUTE targets (that your hero tree revolves around might i add), should be your hardest hitters and most sought after buttons to press. Would go a long way to addressing furys doo doo ST.

[earnest grail]

would you be kind and quickly explain what "Fan of Long Swords" is for a talent in the hero tree?

they need to give us Legion Execute back. Instant fine in Singletarget

[quiet geyser]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=322029/fan-of-longswords

[earnest grail]

thank you mate!

wait

anima Power?

[quiet geyser]

It was an anima power in shadowlands. Basically made it so you never had to actually press WW

[crisp prism]

revert execute changes from bfa and fury will do good st

[earnest grail]

ahh

[swift citrus]

I just recently spoke with some1 here about the builds. Conclusion is, Slayer Raid MT build for Multitarget fights, Slayer M+ build for mythic+ and if raid boss is Single Targert I should just go Arms?

[earnest grail]

Yea, that would be great. Most of Classes have their AE as a passive like frost dk with the frosty spikes on the ground, dont know how its called rn

[quiet geyser]

Ya, very few specs if at all have to waste gcds just to do rotational sustained AoE like fury does

[earnest grail]

enhancer get a massiv buff on their crash lightning for singletarget. Maybe we get some love too

[dapper goblet]

[quiet geyser]

Its funny, cuz fan of longswords actually fits slayer fantasy already too lol. Slayer likes to spin. Ok let us do a mini spin every rampage!

[dim pecan]

Something like "rampage deals X more dmg if it hits a single target"

Or to primary target

[trail bane]

There are plenty of changes they could do to buff our single target without buffing our aoe.

They simply decide not to do it

[earnest grail]

"If theres no more then 1 Target, Ramapge deals X% more Damage for each Stack of Fan of Longswords"

[quiet geyser]

Our AoE isnt good anyways. Our BURST AoE is, due to 3 cd abilities, but fury slayer sustained AoE is dogwater

[trail bane]

True

I just wanted to point out that the problem isnt that its impossible to buff our ST without buffing our aoe.

The problem is that they either dont realize its needed, or dont know how to do it.

[quiet geyser]

Also, hypothetically speaking, if our 5 target sustained cleave for whatever reason did get out of control through buffing our ST rotational abilities, they can easily just tune the WW buff, which they've done in the past already.

[hard widget]

Lets nerf warrior some more

[crisp prism]

i think main issue is currently encounter design no matter how much you nerf fury they will somewhat perform in raid

[modest condor]

dont worry there's no amount of buffs they can give to our st that would make our 5 target cleave OP before making our st OP

[earnest grail]

yes ofc, you are above the tank, how dare u!

[crisp prism]

and people think nerfs are justified cuz of that

Also since prepatch tuning people are extremely loud about it

[eternal sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012847410432704615/1263918962518003793/D181D0B8D0B6D0BAD0B0-D0B7D0B5D180D0BED0BAD183D0BB-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[quiet geyser]

Hence the hypothetically speaking haha

[eternal sundial]

babayagga claims another victim

[earnest grail]

"FuRy PeRfOrMs OvErWhElMlY gOoD iN RaId! MaYbE yOu aRe JuSt BaD lOl"

[restive granite]

werent you saying fury was perefctly good a week ago, even when the nerfs were announced you still doubled down on it

probably skill issue then

[hard widget]

I think ur confusing me with someone else bro

[crisp prism]

fun thing is you are exactly behind the nerfed amount rip

[restive granite]

might be, if thats the case i apologize

[burnt kelp]

holy shit that rogue is pumping

[mighty folio]

Found out why fury getting nerfed. Game dev applying patch to wrong game. SoD got the coding wrong

[burnt kelp]

what the hell man

[hard widget]

Rogue is giga in m+ since beta

They're just shit in raid, thats why blizzard doesnt care

Watch them get buffed soon

[hardy cargo]

surely you just play arms in that key and do better

[hard widget]

🙂

[hardy cargo]

thats quite large key so the sustained dmg from arms will actually sustain

[quiet geyser]

Jeventes been preaching warrior getting gapped by more specs every week

[dire badge]

🕯️

[eternal sundial]

🕯️

[wary fjord]

thats suffering

[hardy cargo]

🕯️

[granite marsh]

for reference on tuning

[thick fossil]

So agility means nothing to rogues anymore?

[gilded pawn]

most of odyns damage is in initial

for roar from what i understand they are only nerfing the initial

[frank robin]

@hard widget in your thoughts, any changes to the M+ build after the recent fixes?

[crisp prism]

you gonna spin more

but deal less damage

[frank robin]

Neat. Who needs damage anyways?

[fervent yoke]

Yeah bc we got tons of utility

[hard widget]

fixes?

brother we got nerfed

[idle wolf]

What were the most recent nerds

Nerfs

[fervent yoke]

Look in the updates thread kalic

[idle wolf]

Ah ty

[outer umbra]

Guys what if our next tier bonus is something like “crushing blow calls down a ball of ionic energy applying a 9000% damage amp to all targets within 700 yards” and that’s why we’re getting nerfed repeatedly

[trail bane]

Could be

At this point 9000% dmg amp is about whats needed to make our single target decent

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[midnight kite]

Nonsense I am feeling a banger like "when bloodthirst enrages you there is a chance equal to your critical strike chance for your next slam to deal 10% more damage"

[pale lava]

confusing him with some lab specimens in here

soon we'll have the "AM change is big for M+" copers too

[slim grotto]

“Recklessness causes you to transform into a ret paladin so you actually do respectable damage”

[pale lava]

iirc ret pala is bugged atm too

which is causing them to do more dps than intended

something related to Dawnlight

[thick fossil]

Is it as obvious as the Arcane splinter thing?

[pale lava]

I think it's something that you can't manipulate but rather just happens normally

[quiet geyser]

Dont know shit about ret, but this sounds realistic. Dawnlight is friggen slapping

[pale lava]

they are getting more dawnlights than intended or something

the ams/cloak of shadows bug on last boss in dawnbreaker is still here since day 1 too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight kite]

what does the bug do? can you like immune bombs and they vanish or something

[pale lava]

it can actually wipe your party

it makes the poison wave and the webs aoe invisible

[modest condor]

so close

wts 1 vers rating

[pale lava]

perfectly balanced

[midnight kite]

that would be a pretty awful bug then yeah

[pale lava]

you don't see it coming until it hits ur entire party

in a 10 or higher

and u just die

[sullen dove]

sounds like rogues and dks pressing their defensives wipes the group, looks like they not meta in that dungeon 😎

[pale lava]

rider of the apocalypse dks

can just get free ams from npcs

and ggwp

[sullen dove]

isn’t rider the bad one

big scythe good

[pale lava]

iirc unholy plays rider

frost is deathbringer which is scythe

[pale lava]

I don't know a lot about dks so maybe I was lied to

[edgy widget]

it's not impossible, Imp WW/Meat Cleaver has a separate modifier for that very reason (currently 55%)
it's also very keen to recognize that Fury's cleave isn't a problem - if anything it's actually rather low; only its burst is an issue and that's contained to a few key abilities

[thick fossil]

I still think the whole WW/Cleaver interaction is part of why they have such trouble balancing it. Any ST buffs will also buff our cleave. They just seem to keep missing the mark.

[burnt niche]

some classes do dps in 30 secs and we are doing this in 5 secs thats the only problem

[somber parcel]

not true , ww/meat cleaver was reduced to 50% for some time last exp .

[burnt niche]

Ppl think we are strong cause of this cause season 1 and everything get one shot

in long fight we are just crawling like reptilian

[somber parcel]

look on the bright side , we are not doghshit like at start of shadowlands 😄

[thick fossil]

I think 55% cleave is fine. I just think that it's hard for them to give us big ST because of that.

[restive granite]

ive been telling myself "it cannot get worse" for a while now

[thick fossil]

They would have to rework IWW in order to give us really strong ST.

[restive granite]

why is IWW even a talent

[left elk]

Frost can play whatever they want both specs with different builds are doable except rider cant do breath

[thick fossil]

It's what gives us good cleave. If it wasn't a talent it would completely invalidate a ST or AoE spec.

[plucky ice]

our clave is bad, only 5 targets

[somber parcel]

raid st is a bit problem , but af for m+ we are fine , most packs pulls align with our cds

[dry hawk]

So is AM useful in keys?

[restive granite]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[thick fossil]

Eventually, in November.

[dry hawk]

But right now it's worse?

[thick fossil]

Our normal cleave is nothing special, we just lose almost nothing between ST and AoE. Simply because of how easy IWW makes it.

[thick fossil]

I think it's ~5-8% worse than current build.

[plucky ice]

i mean, bad st also means kinda bad cleave, literally a decent sized pull without cds and you go barely above tank

[tulip swallow]

The cleave is very rarely an actual problem, but blizzard is perpetually living in fear of it

[thick fossil]

Ah, yeah but if the tank also doesn't use cooldowns it looks passable.

Think I've burst around 3-4 mil on Prot.

[pale lava]

that's interesting, I've only seen deathbringer frosts so far though

[lilac basin]

imagine having options

😭

[burnt niche]

LOL

[quiet geyser]

As archy mentioned already, there is no balance isssue, our cleave is god awful right now anyways

[thick fossil]

That would be nice.

[oak bear]

however we worked in legion is what i want

[plucky ice]

legion jugg lmao

big numba

[thick fossil]

I would love to know the devs actual problem balancing us. I am guessing that this is their logic. Who actually knows besides someone behind doors at Blizzard.

We have zero transparency with choices most of the time.

[quiet geyser]

Honestly, I want to believe its because fury warrior is so popular, so they dont want a spec that is so overplayed to be great. HOWEVER, mage is played just as much if not more than fury most tiers.. and they usually always have atleast 1 spec broken

So dunno if that point is valid

[verbal rivet]

It’s really not that deep

[thick fossil]

Yeah, it's pretty dumb.

[buoyant salmon]

fury has been consistently good

[velvet obsidian]

Mage has two insanely busted specs and they're trying their damndest to make it all three

[buoyant salmon]

for a couple years

mage does not have 2 insanely busted specs

they have 3 great specs, none are particularly busted

[lilac basin]

when it's not mage it's warlocks

[velvet obsidian]

[buoyant salmon]

enhance is the only real spec that is just busted all around the bosrd

board

[quiet geyser]

Would disagree. DF we had s3.. thats about it

[buoyant salmon]

we were good all of df though lol

one of the best non mage options in keys s2

[warm crag]

before the incident

[buoyant salmon]

season 1 was its weakest but still was solid and good in the raid

[buoyant salmon]

after the incident is what i mean

[warm crag]

fury was omega valuable all of prog s2

[plucky ice]

s2 tierset was p good, s1 ultra shit

[quiet geyser]

S1 we were like ok at best. We got boosted for raz and dath simply cuz burst AoE again. S2 we were pretty good for the first few weeks in raid, then legit just fell off a cliff. S3 was the only season I'd say fury was actually strong in raid

[warm crag]

or is this an m+ discussion i wasnt reading

[buoyant salmon]

both i think

[warm crag]

fury ate in dragonflight do not cope

warrior in general was crazy

[velvet obsidian]

Figures that's the xpac i dip out for

[warm crag]

you are still equally crazy

[buoyant salmon]

LMAO

[warm crag]

2 warriors per boss locked in

unless you're a minigamer you probably need god

[buoyant salmon]

even in s1 you played a dps warrior every boss

ontop of prot warrior

it wasn’t even raid buff value and you still played warrior

in m+ s1 fury wasnt great by any means

[plucky ice]

s1 arms was lit actually having some ST

[velvet obsidian]

Mate I still play fury after all these years. I probably deserve the grippy socks

[left elk]

Rider to be pumping raid and m+ deathbringer has slightly better priority damage

[quiet geyser]

S2 m+ was GREAT until aug

[buoyant salmon]

but it was fine and its performance in raid prog locks it in as pretty good

[warm crag]

i did not call you mentally insane i am saying warrior is in a very good state (in raid)

however you might also be mentally insane

this is your call to make

[buoyant salmon]

even after once you got into a group with spriest and aug you felt like jesus

once u got to play it was fun

[low folio]

algari mana oil or the whetstones

[warm crag]

you can use both if you want

idk why you'd need mana tho

just go for whetstones if you're broke

[spare steppe]

Do you want to spend nullstones on a consumable

[buoyant salmon]

whetstone more expensive, no?

[low folio]

whetstones were definitely way more expensive

[spare steppe]

Whetstones make you go broke

[quiet geyser]

I still wouldnt say fury "ate" in DF lol. It was pretty mid the whole expansion, S3 being its best

[velvet obsidian]

I will grant you that in Nerub'ar palace, on 6/8 fights Fury (barring the most recent nerfs, those haven't been left to cook yet) has a very small niche. But once you step foot out of Nerub'ar you better be logging off and swapping to something else.

[warm crag]

uhhhhhh

[warm crag]

idk you're like insane for world content too

[buoyant salmon]

certainly wasnt mid in abberus

was good in raid in s1 and fine in m+

[warm crag]

i do agree that you are better off logging to a diff class if you want to do m+

[vapid tiger]

in M+ when would you use Queen's trinket? After BS or after OF?

[buoyant salmon]

consistently good throughout the expansion

[thick fossil]

I know what you speak of. We don't mention that trash here.

[velvet obsidian]

Yeah bro we blast WQs 😎

[low folio]

fury until the .5 patch was very mid in keys

[cold silo]

I have been doing lots of M+ as fury and having a great time. Maybe it’s a skill issue

[low folio]

in s1 df

[buoyant salmon]

you mean before other classes got better

[spare steppe]

On pull

[buoyant salmon]

fury was good in keys until .5 then arms was just strictly better

[spare steppe]

Just toss it out and charge in what could go wrong

[low folio]

we got buffed in .5 because we werent good

[warm crag]

what else is there to do tho lol

pvp isnt real

[buoyant salmon]

you die immediately

[warm crag]

m+ u reroll raid u are balling

[quiet geyser]

I know you cant see the top (my phone sucks), but this is aberus 95% 10.1.7

[spare steppe]

Pray you’re playing with a chad prot warrior

[buoyant salmon]

10.1.7 was soooo late into the patch lmao

raid is far over at that point

once bosses are nerfed for the 2nd time raid no longer matters

[quiet geyser]

This is .5, or aug release

Like i said, i wouldnt exactly say fury was eating in raid s2 lol

[low folio]

we got pretty decent buffs in .5 of s1 for a good reason from what i can remember

[velvet obsidian]

Honestly, the fact that we were even good for the first week of the Xpac in PvP was absolutely insane. I don't recall the last time fury was viable in PvP. Nobody had a clue how to deal with us it was great. (How to deal with fury in PvP: disarm when they pop either defensive or offensive cooldowns. EZ win.)

[indigo arch]

last time fury was "good" was shadowlands as far as ladder

[warm crag]

i have no input on this i think pvp is a tragedy in this game

[low folio]

fury was op in one of the later seasons of shadowlands for many weeks

for pvp

[dire badge]

Fury was good multiple times in PvP in df

[indigo arch]

ret/fury

[buoyant salmon]

wcl is so aids on my phone idk how to go back to df

[velvet obsidian]

...no we weren't. That was arms friend. Spear/grippy arm

[low folio]

no lol season 2 or 3 fury was extremely op for a while

[indigo arch]

Uh yea, we were. Ret/fury was disgusting in parts of shadowlands lmao

[velvet obsidian]

In SL?

[low folio]

yea

[indigo arch]

Keyword were

[low folio]

using the banner from necro

[quiet geyser]

Choco i feel like we just have a different mindset of what eating or being "good" is. Im not saying fury was unplayable by any stretch, but it def wasn't great. S3, and maybe the first 1-3 weeks of S2, fury was pretty good. Other than that, it was meh

[buoyant salmon]

this is rashok

[velvet obsidian]

I miss that banner 😢. But seriously, I played fury in SL and got the funny slurs in my DMs whenever I tried to queue for arenas.

[buoyant salmon]

on a .1% wipe

dk and both warlocks got pi

[versed palm]

So i simmed 1.1mill on dungeon slice on raidbot, did a m+ now and got 1.01 thats pretty okay ye?

[gilded pawn]

thats not how dungeon slice works

but 1.01 mil is pretty good

[versed palm]

how does dungeon slice work?

[velvet obsidian]

Should burst on the very first pull so that you romance the priest and get PI yourself. Works 75% of the time.

[gilded pawn]

even between dungeons you can have different dps

[buoyant salmon]

same thing. .8% wipe both warlocks and dk with pi

[indigo arch]

Dungeon slice is kinda ass for fury, do 5tar 5m and 1tar 5m and compare

[gilded pawn]

mists have much differetn damage than necrotic wake

[versed palm]

Ye of course but it should give you a general idea no

[gilded pawn]

no

[quiet geyser]

So ur gonna use ur own personal log? Lol heres rashok 95% overall:

[plucky ice]

looks pretty mid

its not only PI diff lmao

[gilded pawn]

i can walk in necrotic wake and do massive pulls and outdamage slice easily

[buoyant salmon]

im linking prog logs

[versed palm]

think that what i usually do but wanted to try the dungeon slice

[buoyant salmon]

the most important and realistic logs

[storm rune]

For fury you just sim 1tar

[gilded pawn]

agreed

[indigo arch]

dungeon slice just isn't good for fury, works fairly ok for ret and rogue and a few others though

[gilded pawn]

no one cares how good a class is 10 weeks into the tier

[versed palm]

just sad my mastery is so low 😦

[quiet geyser]

6th from the bottom isnt that great lmao

[plucky ice]

literally mid by those

wouldnt say fury good

[indigo arch]

may as well be the bottom because those bottom specs have more utility.

[buoyant salmon]

again im linking prog logs

[versed palm]

Should i switch to arms with this statline or just stick with the good ol fury

[buoyant salmon]

idk what the raid balance is halfway through the patch the raid is over at that point

[buoyant salmon]

yeah thats fine

fury was still good on bosses like rashok and maggy bc of how tanky they are

fury still good on sark if you needed add dam

[versed palm]

So we switching to anger management when patch hits?

[buoyant salmon]

wage time bye forever

[versed palm]

on single target

[storm rune]

Sarkareth is back?

dear god no

[buoyant salmon]

that fight owned

[heavy dock]

finally the week lol

[buoyant salmon]

biased world 14 perspective

[summer quail]

also in majority of cases you are better off playing the spec you're better at. my fury is way better than my arms

[civic bobcat]

Guys, what is fury's real skill priority?

ST

[fossil oar]

St mast haste

[civic bobcat]

skills

[fossil oar]

vers - then crit

[quiet geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[storm rune]

wowhead/icyveins/maxroll, any guide works

Maxroll is good for visualizing the priority

[burnt niche]

reckless 3 stack execute
5 stack p bloodthirst
reckless rampage
p blow
3 stack execute
p bloodthirst
rampage
execute
blow
bloodthirst

[fossil oar]

you got me bro, I do more dps with my aoe build single target

[civic bobcat]

If I'm asking here it's in the hope of understanding what I didn't understand there. When analyzing logs I see that they are following a different line than what wowhead preaches, for example

[storm rune]

People aren't perfect

[warm crag]

it would be pretty funny if someone just dumped the fury APL

[plucky ice]

probably some chinese dude

[versed coyote]

Na

[storm rune]

People fucking up their opener and rotation is a constant, but sometimes people hold certain abilities on certain fights to align with add phases, so without a very exact example all we can say is follow the priority as best you can

[thick fossil]

I fucking hated that boss with a passion.

[storm rune]

I may or may not have wiped our raid at 2% by misjudging my leap time and being in the air when the cast went off, overlapping pools

[thick fossil]

I think that was the last mythic boss I killed. Pissed me off a lot.

[quiet geyser]

Prob the best fight in that raid

[civic bobcat]

very fair

thanks bro

[quiet geyser]

Rashok was a banger lol

[thick fossil]

Not when you had dummies that kept screwing up the pools.

Or locks and makes doing tank damage.

[storm rune]

my very first mythic kill of that season, I know the feeling

[wary fjord]

[pearl sequoia]

the legendary 0 parse

[wary fjord]

ill say it, the unholy dk might have put in work if they werent dead for 60% of that pull

[floral cipher]

its always the quelthalas pallys who get the giga drops

[wary fjord]

damn

thats pretty good

[sour frigate]

buyers in progress run? :tf:

[ornate gust]

Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂
https://x.com/archimtiros/status/1841626206447280254?s=61&t=uzjcY9uvj57hLUoUTrE91g

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros) on X

Fury Warriors be like

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 11:47 PM

[buoyant salmon]

that boss was so good wdym

[velvet obsidian]

Get exiled by Nalthor (missed the legendary charge skip), finish the gauntlet and come back up. Pop all my CDs.... and get exiled again.

[zenith tundra]

Is there a good YouTube vid on how to play fury in pvp I am mainly pve and feel like I am hella squishy in pvp

[flint otter]

Enfeebling Spittle is absolute dogwater

Zekvir crushin my sack - i'm tryin to charge it off and it just chews my shit right up

a second interrupt would be 🙏

[velvet obsidian]

Not that I'm aware of. Most YT vids for fury PvP are just people stomping around in randomb bgs with maxed gear and a pocket healer. Which is no help to anyone

[radiant sentinel]

Bajheera might have something on his channel, pretty sure he's gone over his builds on stream before

[bold pecan]

does spell reflect works on weps on mythic first boss?

[zenith tundra]

Lmao more than likely I be pumping dps just when someone wants me to die it’s not to hard

[radiant sentinel]

But bajheera also gets a lot of love from healers, makes war look stronger than it would be for the typical random battle ground queuer

[velvet obsidian]

That said you're gonna get some better survivability taking Battle Trance and swapping stances appropriately to deal with incoming bursts. Fury is pretty squishy in general for PvP and you gotta either disarm the burst or reflect big spells. But generally living as fury in PvP is hard. It's burst or be bursted for us.

[velvet obsidian]

This. He has a pocket healer with him most of the time.

[zenith tundra]

Lmaaoo so get a healer I got it then I’m op

[radiant sentinel]

there's been a few times I've gotten that same love from a healer in randoms, and it feels so freakin good lol

[vivid ridge]

anybody got a BT/BB crit weakaura?

[zenith tundra]

I’m 632 in pvp rn so I am not doing bad tbh

[vivid ridge]

sry just now saw the wa channel

[storm rune]

Not really necessary

Casting more than 5 RBs in a row before a BB/BT just doesn't happen

[velvet obsidian]

There's a bloodcraze %increase on the base luxthos WA if that's what you're looking for. Not sure how to separate it from the whole package tho.

[storm rune]

It's like IP tracking for prot, you can track it if you want, but it's not going to change your gameplay

[hard widget]

Doesnt Mud have a guide for PVP fury?

I thought i saw something like that

[untold yacht]

culling cyclone or the other for hc raid?

brutal finish 😛

is there much diff or doesnt matter that much? adds are dsying fast but not so fast wheere I cannot use rampage

[storm rune]

Same as always, one is for ST damage, the other for add damage

If you can cleave the buffed ramp before adds die you'll parse higher with brutal finish, if not then just take the +damage to BS

[plush flower]

Culling will generally perform better

[fervent yoke]

I haven't had the desire to log on this week all the effort I put in since xpac dropped just to get slapped in the face repeatedly

[tired brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082081436435218525/1291472284858716180/image.png?ex=670038cb&is=66fee74b&hm=5b40981faf1b2f5a8d6a72c0b93e6d5094e8b92f8eb8a4ccb81fe1712932c7ce&

did i sim something incorrectly or is this actually possible for 1 pair of legs (same ilvl, enchant, no tier effected) to be a +80k in ST

[storm rune]

share your sim

[plush flower]

losing tier set?

[tired brook]

will resim rq and do same & send

[tired brook]

tier set not effected

showing 2 pants 80k higher

[storm rune]

well the answer is no

but I'd like to see why it happened lol

[tired brook]

lmfao ill redo it rq

[storm rune]

It's usually something silly, I once spent 15 minutes trying to figure out a 5% disparity before I realized I had my fury weapons equipped as arms

I say that like I found it, but alas I had to get clowned on by the disc to find out

[gilded pawn]

How are you losing 5% on weapon substat

[tired brook]

now it's saying the same thing for the pair of pants that simmed 80k lower

[ancient rain]

That egg sac tho 👀

[tired brook]

i have to be doing something wrong no?

[storm rune]

nah, I had an extra weapon equipped as arms lmao

[plush flower]

post the link

[tired brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6DJaWUBXAzGSm4xr7TjP6j

[plush flower]

also sim on latest, not nightly or weekly

[storm rune]

are you simming multiple builds?

[tired brook]

at the bottom where it shows all your talents i selected my st and pressed sim gear

[storm rune]

yeah there it is

[winter shoal]

Yeah so it's saying just changing talents is an 84k dps difference, regardless of gear

Changing talents + pants is 400dps less

[plush flower]

you did your /simc in aoe build

[tired brook]

makes sense

thought i had some absolutely unholy pants in my bags

cheers

[storm rune]

turns out you managed to find the one stat breakpoint in all of fury

[tired brook]

W

+644 crit - 762 haste = ~84000 dps gain

[gilded pawn]

There’s a lot of breakpoints

I have 5 noted on top of my head lol

But it’s also for frenzy enrage

So it’s useless

[winter shoal]

40/40/10/10?

[storm rune]

40/40/40/20 God I miss the throwaway season

[arctic sinew]

I miss the shadowlands s4 affix where u got 50000000% haste

and spammed WW after BS

[storm rune]

Actually S3 with our 30% vers and spamming BB every second GCD, now that was peak survivability

[lyric gull]

hello i am new here is there a stat cap for fury war?

[proper depot]

For single target do we still go into onslaught?

[storm rune]

nope to both

[winter shoal]

No, check the wowhead guide for the most up-to-date builds

[proper depot]

Checked just wanted to make sure, TY my dude

[tired brook]

this affix is so weird

if you use a cd it gets the 50% cdr but when the affix goes away that cdr is taken off of your buttons on cd

so it does nothing for fury warrior at all

[storm rune]

not really how cdr works

[lyric saddle]

sup guys does this settings still work ?

i feel like it doesn't work rn

[eager thorn]

yes

[tired brook]

ik how cdr generally works im just asking is there anything we can do to benefit from this affix?

[eager thorn]

it works

[lyric saddle]

okay thats weird then

[storm rune]

well you're getting a max of... 15 seconds cdr? on a 90sec CD Just get your shit on CD and you'll get it back 15 seconds faster

[narrow narwhal]

Adds 50% cdr so one second of real time is 1.5 seconds of time counted against the cooldown timer

[storm rune]

idk if I mathed that right, but it's not very noticeable other than looking at your overall at the end of a dungeon

[hardy cargo]

over the 20s duration u gain 10s

[narrow narwhal]

CDR enabled the sweet storm bolt crits back in pandaria

[lavish breach]

do you guys go thane for delves or nah

[eager thorn]

no need to really

i just use m+ build

[lyric saddle]

okay it does work but not with the vault droptimizer

[frail spire]

does anyone struggle with pulling threat with titans torment? ive been waiting a good 3 seconds for tank to gather mobs and i still yoink everything at times

[lyric saddle]

like those one

[storm rune]

Delves have way more ST encounters than dangerous aoe

[storm rune]

after that long it's a tank issue if you're just doing your regular rotation until that point

Either wait longer or get a better tank

[frail spire]

sometimes its its the first thing i pop going into a pack but ive been largely pugging this whole xpac and DH tanks seem to be the only ones that hold their shit together

just curious if others faced it because its pretty common for me and ive gotten used to waiting

[eager thorn]

are you waiting 3s after pulling or 3s after everything is grouped

[frail spire]

grouped

[eager thorn]

prob just tank issue or ur not waiting as long as you thikn

[frail spire]

yeah idk it could be a me thing for how often, but i know im way more generous on time than i have ever been in DF

[storm rune]

Yeah I'll be running with the tank doing my aoe rotation and once he stops moving it's fucking go time

A good tank blows your average DPSer out of the water on overalls, but bad tanks abound just as much as bad dps

[slim grotto]

how much am I gimping myself by crafting engi helm & bracers, since that will leave me with 4 total crafts (-3ilv)? Is that a big difference?

[eager thorn]

Sim it

[storm rune]

you're losing something like an 8th of an ilvl, not much ado

If you can craft myth pieces you don't otherwise have access to, it's an overall gain though

[brittle snow]

So i guess theres no viable build for mountain thane in raids?

[storm rune]

not until they nerf slayer 2-3 more times

[slim grotto]

Fair. At this point I'm just fishing for GV myth track so

[brittle snow]

Damn

lol

Im really enjoying MT in dungeons

and delves

[storm rune]

Prot is absolutely eating, both colon and thane absolutely fuck

[brittle snow]

So prot is good too?

[eager thorn]

Yea prot is very good rn

[wheat estuary]

MT in m+ is pretty good, think it just suffers from bosses ST, specially tyrannical

[storm rune]

Currently it's what, 10-15% behind in ST? All these nerfs flying around I've lost track

[gusty cloak]

how much haste %% feels gud?

[summer quail]

it's 15% ish behind at the moment

[storm rune]

Personally once we start breaking 80% I'm happy

Powerful enrage+20% haste, I feel like my character is swimming through tar getting casts off

[restive peak]

I mean I love you and all but logs from your guild mean nothing bruh 😛 skill diffs, gear diffs, mechanical assignment diffs etc

I'm catchin up but

A bit of a dishonest place to argue from, we were very mid/low ST in DF S2

[pale trout]

Yo kings, sorry if the question was already asked but, on Mythic Rashanan, how do you guys managed not to get OBLITERATED by adds' aggo ? 😢 i'm assigned on adds and i get blasted hard

[lyric saddle]

play arms

😂

[warm crag]

get timelessness from aug evokers if you have one

otherwise your tanks need to actually grab aggro

[lyric saddle]

yeah thats the best answer

[young swan]

press enraged regen before u press bladestorm

[pale trout]

i die with ER used Sadge

[pale trout]

no augs in raid

[pale trout]

yes, PMs were sent

thanks for the feedback guys !

[eager thorn]

What does timelessness do

[pale trout]

also asked people to help with cc

[pale trout]

reduces threat generated

[warm crag]

threat reduction like 30% or whatever

[eager thorn]

Ah

[buoyant salmon]

we went in the tier pretty solidly, just needed good uptime

were slightly oversimming though

iirc max sims were like 145k no pi and we were at 140k

but getting 140k was just impossible even with good variance

[eager thorn]

I miss s2

Faceroll keyboard fun for me

[crisp rivet]

Dumbass question. Just wanting to fill Delve vault out with ? Zekvir. Normally play Prot and its taking like 5 minutes per kill. Don't have any 2 handers but I have a pair of 1-handers. What do I drop for Single-Minded Fury?

[eager thorn]

Titans grip or whatever its called prob

[trail tendon]

LOL TRUE

[eager thorn]

Aka the one that lets you have 2 2h

[crisp rivet]

Thats baseline.

Not a talent.

[eager thorn]

Ah idk then

One day i will learn talent tree

[trail tendon]

Single minded fury would be so fun to run but it’ll never be good

:(

[warm crag]

i think its bloodcraze

[eager thorn]

Its not that bad

Its still viable just not competitive

[trail tendon]

But min/max 😂

[crisp rivet]

Dropping that also drops the point in Deft Experience for the ST build at least.

[warm crag]

i mean if ur looking at st then just sim it ye

u can sim talent choices

[crisp rivet]

Fair, I was hoping there was just an accepted answer.

[warm crag]

no one really optimizes smf sorry

[crisp rivet]

Ye, this is niche and if I had even 1 two-hander I'd be just playing Arms.

[inner shadow]

im thinking of crafting 2 636 weapons
are these enough?

[minor comet]

2 sparks per weapon

full spark not half sparks ofc

[warm crag]

crafting 2 weps seems a bit grief

[inner shadow]

so just 1?

craft only 1 weapon

?

[minor comet]

you can upgrade your offhand to max for free

if you have a 636 main hand

[inner shadow]

huh how

[minor comet]

i think because 2h slot counts for both slots

when I had my weapon crafted i was able to max my weapon to 6/6 Hero for no crests

[inner shadow]

oh ok

so craft only 1

what about gear

is it also 2 sparks?

[eager thorn]

No other gear is 1

Its only 2h weapons that cost 2 afaik

[compact reef]

Which spec has better st dmg on m+? Fury or arms?

[clever belfry]

legs

[minor comet]

if youre going for st probably arms but fury is still pretty good st dmg even if you go full aoe build

[compact reef]

You think we will be fine after nerfs?

[minor barn]

not really a fury question but how would I go about making a macro for mad queen's mandate to target this week's affix?

[minor comet]

idk bro im kinda depressed, but I dont see my self playing arms in m+ or rerolling

[terse minnow]

hey guys, are 1h totally unplayable please ?

[minor comet]

but in aoe im pretty fine in my recent dungeons

[slim coral]

Arms. Fury is terrible

[compact reef]

Why? Cause its slow?

[minor comet]

nah cuz i dont like it as much

[compact reef]

I like big hits and execute in general

[minor comet]

i always wanted to play fury i dont wanna play another spec just cuz its nerfed

i think i will just tank it

[storm cypress]

Hello i know its a noob question (and i know "technically" how works Fury) but when im already enrage, im a little confused about what to use when the three : bloodthirst rampage Raging Blow are available ... (i know we have to focus to still be enraged)

[south kayak]

who gets this

[winter remnant]

are we taking wrecking/shattering throw this week for the affix? or not worth re-allocating talents

[south kayak]

rogue is the only one at 80

idk about voker and monk

[minor comet]

im too lazy

[winter shoal]

With RA, if you don't need to refresh enrage, your prio is RB (empowered as CB) > BT (empowered as BB)

[restive peak]

I mean we were permanently suffering at the hands of RNG, in both our kit and boss mechanical assignments due to severe uptime requirements

But anyway

[dapper goblet]

dont let anyone gaslight you, warrior was op in s2

[restive peak]

Nothing from the past justifies the upcoming changes being all, nor would us being really bad coming up for the rest of S1 mean we deserve to be giga busted S2

[buoyant salmon]

theres a reason we had 2

[buoyant salmon]

i agree nerfs are weird as fuck

[restive peak]

Just pointless, and the buffs have a direction which is good but they're FAR too little

UNLESS they're about to nuke a bunch of other specs, which I doubt

[sleek parrot]

I just hope am is optimal playstyle again

[lament hinge]

wouldnt imagine anyone else getting nerfed than fdk/arcane/retri if any of those. also this weeks affix is just stupid

[quiet geyser]

Fan of long swords, buff rampage dmg buff execute damage

Fury fixed

[quiet geyser]

You forgot enhance

[summer quail]

for m+ it will be

[still bone]

Perhaps resto sham or Evoker output.

[summer quail]

almost definetely

[lament hinge]

yeah execute needs a big buff

[sleek parrot]

nice, hopefully onslaught gets some love as well

[quiet geyser]

Fuck onslaught

[lament hinge]

resto just has really good kit

[quiet geyser]

Buff rampage and execute.

[hardy cargo]

has anyone seen a thing in arakara where you just die to nothing randomly?

like legit

the log also says "unknown ability" as well

[lament hinge]

just tipped over

[quiet geyser]

5th hidden nerf fury got. Just randomly dies ingame.

[eager thorn]

Id randomly die too if i had hpal in my group

[quartz matrix]

idk I fell through the ground on Grim Batol 3rd boss and died

[mighty apex]

is there a soft cap % on secondarry stats?

[modest condor]

yes

on one of the minibosses before the first boss

[hardy cargo]

lol what the fuck causes it

[modest condor]

no idea

[hardy cargo]

it was the very first one

[opal lodge]

quick question of topic. Is the fury faq builds up to date?

[modest condor]

yeah

[opal lodge]

Ty

[tidal kindle]

Can't trust anything Xeos "warrior is S tier in SoFo" wonka says

[warm crag]

xeos is never wrong

[forest owl]

any other warriors struggle with adds killing you on m rashanan, like i wait and i still get mauled, i was told to wait more and when i waited like 5s the adds were dead before i could hit anything

aggro that is

[fast mural]

you wait 2s instead

[quartz matrix]

They seem to have a rather strange aggro behaviour. They got me for like 9mil damage in 2 seconds last night

[sand crest]

I wouldnt know I play full ST on rashanan

[fast mural]

or ask the tanks to be quicker attacking them

[warm crag]

ask for timelessness from an aug if you have one

[eternal sundial]

Meld and yell at tank

[warm crag]

otherwise your tanks need to press buttons ye

[quartz matrix]

They need to be grouped and hard cc'd insta

[fast mural]

if you have the green circle all adds spawned from it will hit you at least once nothing you can do about it

[warm crag]

not really i can send my cds while getting knocked back and i like never get meleed

its legit just a timelessness + tank diff

[forest owl]

i mean im waiting after spawn as much as 5s, but theyre dead by then its not right

[quartz matrix]

Melee isn't the issue, its the bite dot

[fast mural]

then go ST

[warm crag]

yes you get the bite dot by getting meleed

[fast mural]

clearly aoe isnt an issue

[forest owl]

but we dont have aoe lol

[fast mural]

or is this first set?

[warm crag]

you should play fury on that fight

[quartz matrix]

I'm just gonna play arms and own boss damage next week

[fast mural]

then why do the adds get deleted ?

if its only the sets where other people have CDs thats not surprising , however you should be able to just send CDs if adds die that quickly too

so then they die in 4 or 3s

[dapper goblet]

warrior was nerfed because i spoke the truth. remember that little man.

[eternal sundial]

🕯️

[fervent yoke]

when playing AM I still want to try and stack my cooldowns w each other right? not just send reck on cd?

[tidal kindle]

Never trust the words of a blue man goose

[fast mural]

learn from warlocks and boomies and sandbag

[eternal sundial]

CDs on CD with am (in keys)

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bBGYB.gif

[eternal sundial]

Am for raid use CDs for the assigned CD usage

Ie worm boss

[mighty apex]

should i be macroing my hand of kharos to something?

[north current]

Hey guys I ve been playing some fury for about 2 Weeks. I m curently struggling with dmg. I did a sim with my Character where I shoulde be doing 920 k dmg and I usually do about 625 k dmg. Are there any tipps to improve ?

[devout totem]

avatar

[eager thorn]

Make sure you’re following the rotations on wowhead, sit at a dummy for like 10-20 mins practicing

[plucky ice]

smash buttons, don't hold cds, don't get mechanics that screw your uptime, also depends on boss

[fast mural]

Is this on a dummy or in raid

[north current]

In raid still can t gwt my rotation right

[eager thorn]

Yea just sit at a dummy and practice it

[north current]

Sometimes it s to fast for me

[fast mural]

You can easily check if your doing something wrong if you sim dummy dps and them go and try to hit a dummy for 5min

[eager thorn]

It sounds stupid but it works

[dapper goblet]

what if i told you that i'm fine if enhance gets a nerf

[north current]

Oh okay

[fast mural]

If you don't even get close there is something wrong

[north current]

So I can sim the dummy dps als thx

[fast mural]

You can also do a quick sim and see the rotation aswell

[north current]

Also*

[tidal kindle]

#fury message

[dapper goblet]

👨‍🦼

[quiet geyser]

Instead of hitting 14mill lightning bolts, he'll do 13.7 mill

-_-

[inner shadow]

whats a good ilvl

[tidal kindle]

13.37 even

[inner shadow]

to use the catalyst for

or should i just farm the catalyst thingies and wait?

[quiet geyser]

Enhance is cracked

[tidal kindle]

Mythic track items are a good bet

[fast mural]

If you don't have 4 piece hero track items are fine as well imo

Myth track items are kinda hard to come by

[north current]

I just want to say that I hate that you need to do a minigame with transmiter

But the buff ist strong though

[inner shadow]

so should i catalyst my 2 610 set items into set pieces?

[fast mural]

Broodtwister with transmitter

Can you even catalyst set items into set items?

[inner shadow]

no i mean

m+ items

into set items

[fast mural]

If you don't have any way of getting myth track til your next catalyst charge and you don't have 4 p yes

[inner shadow]

im sorry that was too much for me to understand

[gritty halo]

ner

[inner shadow]

i have 2/8 harmonized silk

and 2 610 m+ items

[fast mural]

Do you raid mythic ?

Or do +10s

[inner shadow]

i have just got back to the game

im like 600ilvl

buty es i do high keys / myth raid

[chrome plover]

if they are hero tier just send the catalyst charge

[heavy plover]

With the changes to RB and BT making non UA builds more viable, do you think Thane might see viability with high uptime recklessness, thunder blast recharges on reck use?

[chrome plover]

work on 2k score for 3rd

[fast mural]

This basically to get 4p

[inner shadow]

how many silk charges people have rn

can i get more?

or is everyone at 2

[fast mural]

Everyone is at 2 if they havnt used any

I think we get another next week

If it wasn't this week

I don't pay attention to catalyst weeks

[fast mural]

Every 2 weeks you get one

[amber nest]

sooo, wtf are they doing with fury? i'm a fairly casual player, doin some 9/10 keys, 85+ hc logs, so i guess im not that bad. just did my first m+ with 609 ret twink.. thats just so depressing... no effort, better results+utility, fury m+ is not fun atm 😦

[narrow narwhal]

You don't need to play ret for 9/10 keys

[mighty apex]

is this macro okay to spam on opener?

#showtooltip
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use 13
/castsequence reset=45 Thunderous Roar, Odyn's Fury, Rampage, Bladestorm

trinket is mark of khardhos

[maiden needle]

Is there any hope for mountain thane after slayer gets destroyed by next set of nerfs?

[gilded flicker]

What changes?

[gilded flicker]

Haha same

[earnest grail]

for all what is holy, i hope we dont need to skill that shit spear talent

[brittle snow]

Yea im not a big fan of spear either lol

[hard widget]

Why do you want a macro like this? I can understand the reck ava roar, but a cast sequence too?

[mighty apex]

just 2 less buttons to press

[oblique trail]

If you use this macro, you'll heavily clip your OF dot

[wanton rivet]

hi guys, iam not fury main, playing with prot, trying to do Zekvir?? atm, my dps is 500k in 616

am i doing something wrong?

[hard widget]

Fury already barely has any buttons

[wanton rivet]

wowhead ST talent

[earnest grail]

watched the new video from Critcake on YT. He showd a Specc which could be possible. He talented the Spear and i was dying inside

[wanton rivet]

Prot gear mostly, so haste / crit, but have good trinkets and 616 weaps

[narrow narwhal]

Re-roll ret

[gilded flicker]

Anyone knows what he’s talking about?

[narrow narwhal]

Read wowhead guide

[narrow narwhal]

#updates-midnight

[hard widget]

He wants Thane to be viable, but its cope

[tulip tundra]

more fury nerfs

[hard widget]

Brother, this was yday’s news

[inner shadow]

yo quick question

whats the rotation after opener

what comes first

[hard widget]

Wowhead has all ur answers

[inner shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/legallyblind-blind-gif-7930225

[mighty apex]

sorry, can you explain?

[hard widget]

Its a nice way of saying that its bad

Ur overlapping ur dots

And get bad value

[mighty apex]

yeah i got that i would like to understand the dynamics of how it clips

the dots dont stack?

[hard widget]

Odyns procs from avatar

[oblique trail]

Because OFs dot lasts 4 seconds, you already cast one from Avatar. Because you spam it you use Reck + Avatar + Roar in the same global, which means the next global you cast OF clipping the dot massively, as it can at most extend to 4 seconds

[sand crest]

if you have more than 1 sec remaining of ur of dot from ava, pressing of loses value

[mighty apex]

ah i see thanks

[sand crest]

you want to bs first then of

at the very least

[hard widget]

Just dont use a macro like that

[mighty apex]

if you remove OF would it work then?

[oblique trail]

You can move BS to OF's spot and it'd work, but it's really bad practice

[sand crest]

you could also ask chat gpt to play the spec for you

[willow cradle]

I don't think this would even work.

But if it did you would want trinkets and racials to be used before Avatar

[royal roost]

Hey guys im not a warrior player my self but im trying to help my brother with his roation and cd usage and im not too familiar with fury. If i post a Log from raid woiuld yall give me a few pointers thati could tell him?

[sand crest]

log review channel

[royal roost]

word ty ,3

[hard widget]

#449510248579858432

[royal roost]

❤️

[sand crest]

np

[glad plover]

I just was outdpsed by Shadow Priest in Single Target fight

[fierce acorn]

we back to doomin?

[glad plover]

How low can we drop

[narrow narwhal]

Skill issue

[sand crest]

you'd lose an st fight to a good augvoker

[hard widget]

Then u probably messed something up

[glad plover]

I had better log then hi m

than*

[hard widget]

What fight?

[glad plover]

Sikran

[brittle snow]

Ouch lol

[hard widget]

Tbh makes sense, sikran loses u uptime as melee

[glad plover]

He had healer trinket

[inner shadow]

uhhhhhhhh

[glad plover]

it gets worse

[inner shadow]

champions spear on aoe?

[tidal kindle]

I have changed my mog

For the first time in a decade

[hard widget]

Where did u find this?

[warm crag]

whirlwind into avatar goes hard

that opener also munches two cbs

king

[inner shadow]

your beloved ninommo

[hard widget]

Thats not wowhead tho

And ye that opener is not correct

[warm crag]

unless this is AM

[pearl sequoia]

DAYM spear aoe

new meta

[hard widget]

Then its still incorrect

[warm crag]

AM spear without playing titanic rage

[hard widget]

Bruh

[warm crag]

then its correct

[hard widget]

Find me one aoe player that plays that xd

[warm crag]

loboz

[hard widget]

…

[glad plover]

I really do not want to play spear in M+ risk/reward just does not add up

[hard widget]

U dont play it

[warm crag]

you dont have to stand in it anymore

[glad plover]

I know but I guess this guys are speaking about AM build after PTR launches

[hard widget]

Then i still dont see u play it

Even if spear would be higher dps on technical basis, i would never see it being used in a practical way as its almost impossible to hit everything with it in m+

It would need to be quite significantly better i’d say to make it viable

[glad plover]

If I remember it was used in DF season 1 before reworks to Onslaught.

[native wadi]

Hello dear warriors, quick one, progressing ovi nax mm, any aura to reduce nameplates of the parasite but not remove them?

[hard widget]

https://wago.io/tPmtTmhfR

I believe this does that

[warm crag]

this hides them or

[hard widget]

Oh he wants to reduce it

Dont think thats possible

[warm crag]

it is

i dont have it and i dont know how to find or make it though

[tulip tundra]

Fury is parsing dead last on ST?

[hard widget]

People dont know how to read the logs

If u look ST dmg on 3 aoe bosses ofc we're bottom

All those screenshots people feed into here was before people killed broodtwister or now when they did

First second and rashanan are aoe bosses (even tho WCL disagrees)

So obviously our ST is gonna be shit if we full blast on adds

[chrome plover]

yea

if u use plater

[hard widget]

Dont get me wrong, im not saying we're good. But people are saying stuff about logs which isnt true either

[tulip tundra]

was looking at sikran?

[warm crag]

sikran is awful for 90s classes

[hard widget]

Because sikran is an amazing patchwork boss without any movement or downtime 🙂

[chrome plover]

sikran also punishes hard melee classes

[hard widget]

Like i said, people dont know how to analyze logs

[chrome plover]

real hard

[tulip tundra]

that everyone else is immune to?

[bitter palm]

welcome back anger management

[stuck moat]

I knew Rashanan didn’t count adds in WCL, I didn’t realize that was the case on the first two bosses 🤦‍♂️

Are y’all playing ST fury on those bosses or arms?

[hard widget]

Lots of classes are

[warm crag]

adds count for first two

[tulip tundra]

dead last, so all of them?

[bitter palm]

i mean

[glad plover]

We are last on Sikran, and we are 4rd from the bottom on Princess, fully single target fights, I do not kno why people simply refuse to say what is obvious, Fury sucks in ST this season.

[bitter palm]

you can tell sikran is bad for 9s

90s

[warm crag]

4rd

[bitter palm]

when arms which is very good

on st

is giga low

[hard widget]

All im saying is people are sandbagging way too hard without knowing why

And this is a perfect example of it

[bitter palm]

y

[tulip tundra]

no it's not, actually

[hard widget]

If u wanna doom be my guest, but atleast back it up with info that makes sense

[fierce acorn]

if the patch goes live today what's the hit to AOE dps?

[hard lily]

Patch ain't going live for over a month who cares lol

[tulip swallow]

if you're hitting exactly 5 targets probably like 1% 🙂

[hard lily]

These changes aren't set in stone

[inner shadow]

where tf is whirlwind

[warm crag]

avatar

[inner shadow]

oh i forgot

stupid me

[warm crag]

noob

(its fine king)

[inner shadow]

yes

i forgor

[restive granite]

i agree with you, but all classes are mostly speccing aoe and cleave too

[inner shadow]

ty pookie

[warm crag]

keep learning and you will become the king

[restive granite]

its not like warrior is the only one giving up ST for aoe

[glad plover]

I fully understand that we are low on boss damage because on most fights we are focusing for add damage, often saving CDs to maximize that aspect, sure on this fights I fully understand low boss damage, on single target fights tho, I do not, uptime issue or no, fury should not be bottom in Single target given how our cleave works.

[restive granite]

id say we give up less compared to other classes

[hard widget]

Like i said, im not saying we're good. But people are just saying stuff for the sake of saying something

[random raptor]

Worth taking WT for m+ for the affix?

[hard widget]

Single target fights can be shit for melee or fury specifically

[warm crag]

probs not

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/Kg8a1/bd1e23a5bf.png

that run was clean af holy shit

[glad plover]

I get that, being lower then Augmentation tho?

[tulip swallow]

It's still a pretty large amount if you're comparing the pure single target build with the standard build

[warm crag]

sikran is a garbage fight for 90s classes which both warrior specs are and kyveza currently has a sample size of 8 public logged warriors

[hard widget]

Saying that makes no sense at all

[warm crag]

fury warrior ST is bad but you're way overblowing this lmao

[chrome plover]

aug is actually like 10 specs up on sikran

[hard widget]

Aug gains dmg from buffing good classes

And they have no downtime

[glad plover]

Go to logs, and see statistics for Sikran, we are set last on that fight even below augmentation.

[uneven shale]

what does AM stand for?

[bitter palm]

me when i cant read

[warm crag]

anger management

[uneven shale]

ty

[warm crag]

did you not read the message 2 above that

[bitter palm]

have u tried reading

[warm crag]

spec arms if you want more competetive sikran damage i guess

[hard widget]

You just dump it like we're shit but u dont take anything into account

Ur just looking for a bad number to doom about

[modest condor]

did they nerf how much splice reflects for or something?

only did 7.5mil on my +11 just now

[hard widget]

I just told u sikran is bad for fury

[modest condor]

pretty sure it did way more than that even in a +8 in the first week

[tulip swallow]

They nerfed the damage on splice at some point but that was super early on

[leaden wasp]

what is our priority skill list with 4p?

[tulip swallow]

like -2s on the duration

[glad plover]

There are other specs that should have simular issues with uptime like we do, or am I missing something

[sullen dove]

i mean splice duration got nerfed last week

[warm crag]

doesnt last as long right?

[sullen dove]

by 3 seconds

6 instead of 9

[hard widget]

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