fury

[prisma rose]

Like gripcake

[open wigeon]

For those who play ret and fury, do you think ret is tankier than fury? or warrior is generally more durable?

[olive wraith]

Fury is tanky af

I can’t speak on rets tanky ness but I feel like I never die as fury (unless it’s a wipe or I pull aggro)

[static rock]

ret has more healing abilities, but will take bigger hits

[kindred swallow]

If you dont get straight up one shot fury is pretty tanky yeah

Ret does have bubble and lay on hands tho

And an actual shield now right?

[wheat estuary]

x

[olive wraith]

Fury has passive damage reduction and larger health pool

Plus impending victory is pretty huge short cd self heal

[kindred swallow]

I still feel like rallying cry is terrible who

[gilded pawn]

ret is more durable if you are attentive to your spells

[kindred swallow]

For such a long cd

[gilded pawn]

rally is good if you hit 20 people

[olive wraith]

Rally is mid I agree

But ER is huge

[inland flame]

Does fury have more health? I feel like my ret bud I do m+ with generally has more health.

[olive wraith]

Plus you always can d stance

[open wigeon]

What do you mean?

[olive wraith]

Fury should. We have a 2nd wep

[pliant jackal]

You can always run more warriors for more rallies 🙃

[open wigeon]

Ret have some free stamina nodes, so Iam actually not sure

[inland flame]

Ret gets to take their stam talent tho

[kindred swallow]

I did run a 4 warrior +10 last expansion

Do not recommend

[prisma nest]

Oh wait.. they gutted Rally too…

[pliant jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1291216505358516366/image.png?ex=66ff4a94&is=66fdf914&hm=e13dca0cb9ff04f08eb252dcc0b82c68e550471a56bbb88576d6e05d9b47abe3&

[olive wraith]

Then I stand corrected if it pulls ahead

But still. Fury has a bunch of survival tools

[static rock]

Ever done a 5 warrior?

It's awful

[olive wraith]

I feel like the major difference is ret can choose to save others

[teal pine]

fury should be pretty tanky

but it has the most deaths in the raid

[inland flame]

Idk I also feel like Ret having range on their abilities makes them safer more often but maybe I'm dooming too hard

[teal pine]

fury players just bad?

[median falcon]

they could put more power/utility into our shouts but they nerfed commanding as it is

[kindred swallow]

Honestly just make a lesser version of the necrolord ability as a shout

[olive wraith]

Iirc fury also had one of the highest player base early weeks

[gilded pawn]

ret has more active healing

[kindred swallow]

If we cant have damage we could at least have a bit of utility

[gilded pawn]

you can always spend holy power to heal yourself

not to mention all your blessings

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t that kinda kill your dps though

[kindred swallow]

You deal more damage if you arent dead

[olive wraith]

Ye. But I feel like fury loses less when going into “survive” mode

[kindred swallow]

Ah ye totally

Cant clutch the whole party if the healer dies tho

Paladin can still do something

[olive wraith]

Ya everyone dies but me and the tank

That’s how I pad

[open wigeon]

I think spell reflect is the real winner, few classes have such a short defensive cd

maybe rogue

[olive wraith]

Ya reflect is also poggers

[kindred swallow]

If you dont have spell reflect as top damage in your details you arent playing fury right lol

Good luck using spell reflect without a WA tho

[gilded pawn]

yeah spell reflect is strong

[upper heron]

What WA do you use?

[kindred swallow]

Actually not sure im not in game right now but i think im using one that a guy put up on the wa channel for tww

[inland flame]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[kindred swallow]

My old one got deleted anyways so i just went with that

[upper heron]

Thank you

[inland flame]

If you want a sound you have to set it. There's one that literally says "reflect"

[open wigeon]

I think critcake have a WA that scream DEFENSIVE every party damage stance

[dusty cove]

you always put highest Ilevel weapon in main hand right?

Even if its the crafted one?

[inland flame]

ya

[kindred swallow]

Yessir

[sullen dove]

this... this is good

yes..

[hybrid dagger]

Under talents for bosses in the Fury Builds section, Rashanan is listed for multi and Rashanan Ranking is listed for single - what is Rashanan ranking?

[sullen dove]

rash has adds but they dont count for logs bc wcl devs are braindead

so top logs will be people playing single target

still best practice to aoe but honestly the few pulls i had on that boss even on mythic adds die in like .2 seconds with no one looking at them

so can also just play arms for much better st

[hybrid dagger]

I struggle with playing arms because my entire gearset is stacking Mastery... do y'all have enough gear to have a second set for Arms?

[sullen dove]

eh i mean mast isnt a horrible stat for arms

but yea usually you'd try to hang on a few pieces that are crit/haste heavy

[buoyant salmon]

get rings with mainstat haste

and ur fine

[ebon stag]

So are the third set of changes bad nerfs or like a piss attempt to buff our feelings

[sullen dove]

might be a buff in m+

but small nerf st

[buoyant salmon]

think its supposed to be a slight st buff and adjustment in aoe but they griefed the tuning

[sullen dove]

i mean unless rb/bt buffed more to make am better than ra st (that would be horrible) nerfing slayer was just gonna be a nerf regardless

think its most comfortable when RA is real single target talent and AM real m+ talent

[ebon stag]

Like I don't fucking understand at this point

Do they want fury to just be a dead fucking spec

[sullen dove]

(yes)

[ebon stag]

For doing top dps for one fucking season

Fuck me sideways

[buoyant salmon]

fury has been doing good for literally years striaght

straight

[topaz dust]

As it should since it has no utility.

[ebon stag]

Then it's a culmination

[buoyant salmon]

its still great in the current game

idk where this narrative is coming from that fury is a consistently bad spec

[buoyant salmon]

utility doesnt matter

[topaz dust]

Like your opinion

Move on nerd

[buoyant salmon]

opinion on what?

utility not mattering isnt an opinion its a fact that it doesnt matter for completing high keys in time

getting into groups? i mean maybe but thats a wow community issue at its core

[ebon stag]

Yea I've given up trying to join keys unless they're mine

[sullen dove]

joining your own key holy

[buoyant salmon]

dps is always aids to join pug keys

[sullen dove]

99% of skyhold couldnt comprehend that

[tulip swallow]

Running your own key isn't much better than playing queue simulator

Rerolling your key is kind of core to the system and that's only available in other people's keys

[restive fiber]

keep getting shadowlands dnj for me got bad rng

and boralus

[tulip swallow]

Like imagine going 10 NW -> 9 SOB -> 10 NW

[buoyant salmon]

pushing io is useless rn

play to have fun and gear

[tulip swallow]

It's especially bad if you're looking for a specific item like a trinket

[lethal onyx]

F****** LOL minor Nerf one of the strongest specs in the game and you're raging that you're going to be doing like what 2% less damage?

Let's get real are most definitely not someone who is skilled enough to the point where these nerfs would actually affect your capability in the game, unless you're in a cutting Edge. Mythic raid Guild or you're pushing the literal highest Keys every single day like get over yourself man. Chill out Warriors will be fine.

[sullen dove]

holy

and i mean its less the minor nerf and more the 5th nerf in a row

like this is the least impactful nerf yet

and even possibly a buff to m+

[summer quail]

new copypasta just dropped

[sullen dove]

but def is grating they just cant leave us alone

[lethal onyx]

Yes and Warriors are still going to continue to be strong.

[sullen dove]

F****** LOL minor Nerf one of the strongest specs in the game and you're raging that you're going to be doing like what 2% less damage?

Let's get real are most definitely not someone who is skilled enough to the point where these nerfs would actually affect your capability in the game, unless you're in a cutting Edge. Mythic raid Guild or you're pushing the literal highest Keys every single day like get over yourself man. Chill out Warriors will be fine.

[summer quail]

F** LOL minor Nerf one of the strongest specs in the game and you're raging that you're going to be doing like what 2% less damage?

Let's get real are most definitely not someone who is skilled enough to the point where these nerfs would actually affect your capability in the game, unless you're in a cutting Edge. Mythic raid Guild or you're pushing the literal highest Keys every single day like get over yourself man. Chill out Warriors will be fine

[buoyant salmon]

pushing cutting edge means jackshit btw

[kindred swallow]

Man i did like 5 mythics in a row and all i got was 50 gold in all of them

[lethal onyx]

I joined this discord and like literally within 5 seconds Reading about someone claiming that Fury is going to be a dead spec because of nerfs even though it's still going to continue to be as good as it was.

[buoyant salmon]

u can play literally anything in cutting edge

regardless of how bad it is

[summer crater]

This is a dumb statement

[lethal onyx]

Man you guys call yourselves Warriors. You should be farmers.

[tulip swallow]

It's a 20% nerf to 8+ target content

[plush flower]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[lethal onyx]

Salt farmers

[tulip swallow]

that's not "just as good as it was"

[lethal onyx]

😂

[restive fiber]

what 20%

[summer crater]

I mean you certainly fit the berserker cognitive ability lore

[lethal onyx]

Tell you what when these nerfs go live. If Fury is a dead spec, I will f****** record myself eating a f****** shoe and and then I will upload it to this discord.

[summer crater]

AOE abilities capped at 5 instead of 8

[dry talon]

Thats what my t-shirt says

[sullen dove]

20% nerf to the abilities youre casting that are getting changed..

[restive fiber]

where lucky there is no algathar

[sullen dove]

not 20% nerf to your overall dmg

lmao

[orchid dagger]

You must live the taste of sneaker then

[lethal onyx]

Ooooh noooooooe 5 instead of 8?

Time to uninstall the game

[summer crater]

You're not even a warrior

[inland flame]

chat starting up

[summer crater]

You're a rogue coming to warrior discord to cry

[lethal onyx]

Hey I boosted one to level 70 that counts

[sullen dove]

[lethal onyx]

Don't even play rogue on retail.

[restive fiber]

ucant big pull in this season anyway

[buoyant salmon]

i am a warrior and u guys are annoying as fuck

wcyd

[lethal onyx]

What does wcyd mean?

[restive fiber]

grim batol big pull

[buoyant salmon]

what can you do

[summer crater]

You're one of the biggest "blizz can't do wrong" simps on this server

There's just one worse

[lethal onyx]

Aah, thanks

[buoyant salmon]

i think blizzard can do wrong lmao

[summer crater]

The other one is Spergie

[buoyant salmon]

the chanegs they made have the right idea, the tuning is just egregiously off

[lethal onyx]

My favorite thing about the new PTR notes are shadow priests. Getting nothing to be honest right now. Kind of feels like Legion with Shadow priests them just getting the shaft

[inland flame]

even given that, the arms strays are surely indefensible ya?

[tired brook]

does it matter which wep is where (1st is my crafted)

or do i just sim it

[eager thorn]

higher ilvl in MH

[buoyant salmon]

i think their tuning this patch has been shit, especially considering the prescedent they set in all of df for raid and 1.5 patches of m+

[lethal onyx]

I would like to thank Chaco for stepping up and drawing aggro off of these Warriors for me thank you.

[restive fiber]

im alredy bored with slayer iwant thane with AM in keys

[lethal onyx]

A true protection Warrior indeed

[eager thorn]

no1 is stopping you

[buoyant salmon]

i highly doubt arms wont see any other changes in the patch, but if they dont, yes thats just omega cringe and stupid

arms shouldnt be getting nerfed

[restive fiber]

but the single target is shit

[buoyant salmon]

i mean MAYBE like a 1% st nerf can be defensible in some way but their aoe is just mid

[lethal onyx]

I got a question for all you doomers should I bother leveling my boosted Warrior from 70 to 80 or should I just play my 74 windwalker?

[tulip swallow]

It's god awful, there are 10% gaps between specs and that's discounting all of the flat out unplayable hero specs

[restive fiber]

warrior

[inland flame]

Yes... go Thane on tyrannical week

[buoyant salmon]

i agree, the tuning this patch has been bad

[plush flower]

Roll mage

[tulip swallow]

Imagine being 10% behind the worst single target damage in the game, and that's mountain thane

[buoyant salmon]

but the changes they have made are not wrong they just arent harsh enough in some ways

and not gracious enough in other

[lethal onyx]

But I don't want to be a mage. I want to play easy classes. Not complex ones where I have to remember what abilities to use in specific situations. Determine an off of what abilities are on cool down or what passives have been procked in specific situations

[plush flower]

Bro

[buoyant salmon]

yes magus is very hard fire mage hardest spec ever

[plush flower]

Press combust and jump

[tulip swallow]

bro you just mash fire blast a nd pyroblast

it's not that hard

[restive fiber]

frost is hard xD

[summer crater]

Do it in the low keys with the idiots then it's fine because they'll go wow at the big aoe numbers from large trash pulls

[inland flame]

int spec must be harder right why else would they have all the extra int

[dull mantle]

is bladestorm cancelling? how am i seeing on cast logs that a diff spell is being cast like 1s after

[plush flower]

Frost is cringe and if you play it you should feel bad

[lethal onyx]

I thought fire mage was not that good

[summer quail]

just a ton of haste will make bladestorm short

[sullen dove]

wowhead log says its the best!

[tulip swallow]

Fire is good enough that they're getting nerfed, so that means they're at least as good as us

[summer quail]

@dull mantle

was meant for you

[lethal onyx]

I want to play enhancement shaman but looking at the rotation it feels like a combination of keyboard DDR and writing a thesis in terms of complexity

[olive wraith]

Fire mage got giga buffed they’re at the top of raid dmg

[summer crater]

Just multibox a guardian druid/resto shaman/fdk or uhdk/aug/mage team for mythic dungeons

[lethal onyx]

Man, now I got to spend another $70 in a boost

[olive wraith]

Just level

[restive fiber]

why play enhancement when u can play elem

[olive wraith]

It’s so fast

[dull mantle]

yeah biggest issue trying it was just too many buttons that are part of the rotation

[ebon stag]

Your response is worthy of a 🤡 emoji enjoy your day good sir

[lethal onyx]

Yeah but your definition of fast is like what 5 hours plus?

For me, it'll probably take 10 hours to hit max level Even with just spamming dungeons, I don't have all those XP boosting s*** with me to like hit level 70 In 20 minutes like most people do

The hunter discord is currently creaming itself over the beastmaster AOE buff

[olive wraith]

You get 25% bonus xp

Idk it just doesn’t feel worth $70 to me

[restive fiber]

timewalking next week

[lethal onyx]

Oh that's right time walking

[proud portal]

At this point you might as well go frost dk which is basically exactly same thing as Fury warrior but you have Brez/better AOE sustain

God how much I would literally sacrifice my bunch of characters for a warrior rework

[olive wraith]

Warrior too cool

Not gonna abandon ship

[brazen island]

So fury nerfs aside

Are we getting any other nerfs to stitchflesh ever again?

[fossil oar]

Why should I use rampage before avatar if avater already gives me enrage?

[restive fiber]

Is there a way to manipulate the items that drop from the vault? For example, if I run Stonevault ten times, do I have a better chance of getting an item from its loot pool?

[brazen island]

Feel like it’s still an unreasonably hard fight for anyone not on discord

[summer crater]

No

[proud portal]

No

[warm rain]

hey this is probably a dumb question, but when i'm simming gems, it's having me stack all mastery/haste quick onyx with culminating does this sound right or am I being a forehead while trying to replace gems lol

[nocturne dragon]

No, total random. Item appears in vault is from all dungeon loot pool.

[proud portal]

cus Mastery is only way you get more damage %

Rn

[olive wraith]

In the opener?

[fossil oar]

yes

[restive fiber]

oh ok thank you

[olive wraith]

Because BS casts bb

[fossil oar]

Bladestorm casts?

[warm rain]

yeah, it was also doing that with masterful ruby as well when i was testing different weapon oil combinations, that's why it threw me off

so i assume then that having one of each color isn't really that big of a deal for the bonus

[olive wraith]

When you Bladestorm. You’re throwing out bb/bt during the channel

[proud portal]

As long you have mastery as a priority but Mastery + Haste gem is basically go to

Since you're Mastery > Haste > Crit

Mastery buffs your enrage so you're doing more damage while under it which is kind of what you need to do in order even get single target damage to be better

[warm rain]

okay thanks brother i'll keep all that in mind

[fossil oar]

So when I bladestorm it's also activating bloodthirst? and Bloodbath? I'm assuming that's a talent somewhere lol

[olive wraith]

Unhinged. Under bs

[fossil oar]

Ok so you rampage to get the bb on bs

[olive wraith]

You only get one bb, but ya

It’s better than throwing only bt

[restive fiber]

does it interact with ww buff ?

[fossil oar]

for sure ok thanks

[olive wraith]

I don’t think so

[marble swift]

Is this seriously more fury nerfs

[proud portal]

👍

[marble swift]

Slayer
Overwhelmed now stacks up to 10 times (was 12).
Culling Cyclone bonus Bladestorm damage reduced to 15% (was 20%).
Opportunist now increases the damage and critical strike damage of your next Overpower or Raging Blow by 25% (was 30%).

[pseudo dawn]

cant believe still that they are actually giving us another fucking nerf

and not buffing ST

imagine buffing our bloodbath or crushing blow.. crazy thought

[proud portal]

The buffing they even gave us literally changed nothing

[fossil oar]

So another one, do I need a weak aura for bb crit? or does the proc let me know?

[proud portal]

Like nothing

Absolutely fucking nothing

[pseudo dawn]

literally nothing

lol

they buffed wrong shit

not bloodbath or crushing blow..

[buoyant salmon]

did u guys even read what they wrote

[proud portal]

Yes

[buoyant salmon]

they wrote they are trying to buff am bc ra is the play in all situations

they missed the tuning but the idea is there

they didnt buff the 'wrong shit'

[proud portal]

The buffs they even gave us only put Anger management 1% margin against RB which is literally still better than Anger management

[pseudo dawn]

lol

def did

[proud portal]

Literally it changed nothing

Like at all

Lol

[pseudo dawn]

ur trippin

[proud portal]

It only made Anger management slightly usable

[buoyant salmon]

i agree it changed nothing in its current iteration

but its because they missed the tuning

[proud portal]

Exactly literally nothing that us warriors been asking for

[buoyant salmon]

which is EASILY fixed

[proud portal]

it's been a joke

Like they could've easily fixed it too

[buoyant salmon]

they are going to iterate on the changes

[tulip bear]

i dont understand anyone who has faith in them getting this right

[marble swift]

That's the biggest cope

[proud portal]

Like Rampage damage is doodoo it's suppose too be a hard hitting ability but it's not even a hard hitting ability at all

[buoyant salmon]

you guys are such fucking freaks man

[marble swift]

They're nerfing us to buff us

[proud portal]

For SINGLE TARGET

[marble swift]

Makes a lot of sense

[proud portal]

We're not freaks when we played our class for years I've been playing warrior since TBC I know what warrior is like. You can say you see what their intent are but the situation for warrior still remains the same

We're literally gimped too a hospital bed in terms of single target and the PTR changes on them wanting too nerf our AOE also makes it worst for Fury as a spec

[buoyant salmon]

their intent matters when the patch is weeks away

they clearly have some idea with waht they want to do with warrior

[proud portal]

It's been a constant cycle of these warrior changes since Dragonflight they still haven't gotten Fury at the right place at all

It needs entire rework

[buoyant salmon]

ok oldhead

[tulip bear]

if they are so dumb that there intent is an overall buff but they actually end up nerfing when they try, than they are too braindead for me to trust they will ever get it right

[buoyant salmon]

been playing since tbc and still dont know what youre talkign about

[gaunt pelican]

xd

[proud portal]

Their "Intent" is barely give warrior any attention and it's becoming literally a fucking meme for us warriors to check the hotfix/patch notes to see warriors being nerfed almost constantly going past Warlock

[proud portal]

Imagine saying that when I do

[buoyant salmon]

warrior keeps getting nerfed bc its good every tier

its been very good for the past 5 raids

[proud portal]

???

[young swan]

i promise exactly none of you know what ur talking about

even choco, although he knows a little bit more

[buoyant salmon]

i know slightly less than nothing

more

wtf im stupid

[young swan]

the changes were bad, but only because of the design execution

numerically its fine

conceptually, also fine

they are just dumb

dont know how to do things right

[proud portal]

Their Design intent just severly flawed It's been like this since DF they keep trying too change the design or intent but it keeps failing each execution. They can get the numbers right in terms of tuning stuff properly but design is still flawed.

[hasty sable]

Tbh I like that they want to make RA and AM both viable, two different builds for ST/M+ will make both easier to balance in their respective content

also the quicker they get rid of these insane burst windows the better

in favor of baseline stuff

[proud portal]

Only time I felt tuning was right for DF was Season 3 but that's just due to the Damage Fury was getting for single target and it was lackluster/boring in talent trees

[restive peak]

I mean we've been super good for several tiers straight

I hated S2/4 playstyle, but it was effective

[tepid lily]

Soft cap everything

Except fury

[restive peak]

S3 was my fav, and I love rn, RA is sick

[young swan]

the issue is that if all else is equal, AM is just better

[proud portal]

Same with me I find pressing raging storm thing whatever just uggggh

[hasty sable]

they just can't get the numbers right like always

[restive peak]

But to say we haven't been strong or anything is wrong

[young swan]

AM needs to be the niche choice cause otherwise its just better in every situation

[proud portal]

S1 Tier was just

Ass

Like really ass

[tulip bear]

nerfing the burst windows is fine, but htye need to compensate with constistant aoe buffs

[proud portal]

^

[tidal kindle]

And also way less fun

[tulip bear]

and the single target is fucking dogwater right now and these changes keep making it worser

because they are fucking braindead monkeys

[restive peak]

It's more important we get ST, and a tier set, which for us directly corrolates with AOE as well

[tidal kindle]

"Oh I got a mechanic guess all my cooldowns are gonna waterfall down being staggered off-set for the rest of the fight"

[restive peak]

^ this is the fax

[young swan]

i like it for stuff like ovinax where u can get 100% value or close to it

but yeah its prone to cringe behaviour

[tidal kindle]

I got web

[restive peak]

Yeah but otherwise it fuckin sucks

[tidal kindle]

Before every avatar set on kill

[restive peak]

It's gonna SUCK on these fights

[tidal kindle]

So all my shit was fucked

[tulip bear]

dps war is such dogshit in m+ its comical

and its dogshit in ST

[proud portal]

Like I am fine with nerfing the burst window as long they give us compensation buffs/fixes too do better sustain but it's completely just not even there.

[eager thorn]

no its not lol

[young swan]

🎣

[restive peak]

Sikran clone drop, web, far egg, dispel silken, several queen spots potentially

[tulip bear]

its lityerally only good for raid fights with iomportant burst aoe windows

and thats it

[proud portal]

Or outright just not even there.

[young swan]

yeah thats the big issue is nerfs with almost 0 compensation

[restive peak]

Kyveza if you get the knife thing

Omg you're so fucked as AM

like 6-8s off the boss

[tulip bear]

theres literally zero reason to bring war over ret pally or frost dk in m+

[young swan]

we hard carry rashanan, brood, and ansurek

[buoyant salmon]

u get the knife thing u wipe the boss

bc ur parse sucks

gg.

[young swan]

in mythic

[buoyant salmon]

theres 0 reason to bring fury over 2 of the best specs in m+

[young swan]

yeah i think u just afk get benched

for that boss

[buoyant salmon]

wow thanks man you bring an interesting point

[restive peak]

Sadness is real

[summer crater]

At higher levels all they bring is death knight anyway (either unholy or frost)

[tulip bear]

yes thats who you are competing for m+ slots with

so yea

[restive peak]

And yeah, that's like saying you always brought sp/aug last tier

Ofc you did

Doesnt mean nothing else mattered

Everyone is forever competing w the 2 meta options

[eager thorn]

i mean ur competing with like 80 other dps whenever you sign up for a key

[proud portal]

Now you bring Fire mages

🙂

[young swan]

"if x spec isnt the best in the game it has 0 value and shouldnt exist"

very compelling argument

[proud portal]

Fire mages got 4 straight weeks of buffs

[hasty sable]

that's a good point, haven't tested AM yet but it seemed like the go-to choice for M+

[buoyant salmon]

u could say the same thing about hunter

[eager thorn]

and i still get taken in keys easily so its not like nobody takes warriors

[summer crater]

If you want to always be one of the meta just roll a mage

[buoyant salmon]

why would u ever bring a hunter to m+ currently

[gleaming gorge]

do we go authority of the depths for both weapons?

[young swan]

it will be when the ptr changes hit, currently its kinda dookie imo

[restive peak]

Yeah Lincmage is a cranker

[young swan]

yeah

[buoyant salmon]

better classes have soothe, lust, immunities, damage

is hunter is just completely dogshit

[restive peak]

Could be worse, yeah

[proud portal]

And just 💀 when they have too bring bloodlust pet

[tulip bear]

yea BM fucking blows except pure single

[buoyant salmon]

in pure st theyre really good though

[tulip bear]

but they arent catching nerfs every ptr update

[buoyant salmon]

and abuse pi

[tidal kindle]

"if x spec isnt the best in the game (at at least 1 thing) it has 0 value and shouldnt exist"

[tulip bear]

and are actually getting reworkjed

[restive peak]

If you're a huntr not named Bansherz? Bench. Ele not named Bond? Bench. DH? Bench. Warlock not named Leflame? Bench.

There are way way WAY worse off classes than us

[proud portal]

Still I will pray too blizzard gods that we get a rework just to fix this spec/class 🙏

[summer crater]

Was just in an LFR on my hunter and a guy removed a piece to ilvl dps wclogs chase

And of all items he picked a trinket to remove

[restive peak]

LOL

[eager thorn]

do ppl actually care about ilvl logs lol

[summer crater]

That one did apparently

[restive peak]

People are weird man, I don't even understand why people care about logs period once you're a consistent 90-100 parser

[dull mantle]

can someone explain to me why top parse is going rampage->crushing->2 raging->bloodbath->rampage? i thought prio was always rampge->crushing->bloodbath->rampage

[young swan]

@buoyant salmon how the fuck is grom not benched

[restive peak]

Looking at them to get CD timings etc? Sure, but actually caring...weird behaviour

[restive peak]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[eager thorn]

ye like dont get me wrong getting a 99 or smth feels good but like as long as im getting 80+ then im doing my stuff right and can chill

[restive peak]

Yeah when it falls in your lap, sure, but chasing it actively?

I don't get it at all

[buoyant salmon]

dm

[eager thorn]

for someone like me whos new to the game its kinda helpful chasing them when tryna find guilds

but like outside of that its just ego i think

[sullen dove]

send that shit here

[buoyant salmon]

lagging

[timber hare]

What's the weakaura that says in chat the damage reflected from spell reflect?

[tardy axle]

hopw the fuck is the chinese fury warrior #1 on silken court heroic by like 700k dps

[buoyant salmon]

padding

[olive wraith]

Fury so good that’s why

[hasty sable]

isn't he just pooling for BB buff from 4-set before the next rampage set?

[tardy axle]

look at the logs, everyone is first by a mile

[summer crater]

That 2,8 million mage is fun too

[buoyant salmon]

bugged

[tardy axle]

it feels bugged because the replay dps meter shows 1.4m

[proper onyx]

if you take away their scarab damage they are still first by a mile, its something else other than padding

[tidal kindle]

Clip me

What happen

I'm

[summer crater]

All I know is that eventually top mythics and raid logs always seem to be overtaken by chinese

[eager thorn]

cos chinese players are best in world

[young swan]

doesnt know literally any kyveza mechanics

like actually just doesnt know

[buoyant salmon]

this has something to do with it im sure

whatever happened

[proud portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[tardy axle]

lol they underflowed the dps meter

[summer crater]

Yeah, there's some 611 rogue with a 590 trinket in that guild that did 2.1 million supposedly too

[proud portal]

Hell is going on there

😭

[summer crater]

The real number one is probably that enhancement shaman

[gusty compass]

Nerfed again on PTR for next patch! YEEEAH 🥳🥳🥳🥳 BLIZZ 🖕🏽

[tardy axle]

respeccin to armss ye

[buoyant salmon]

yeah idk that log is super fucked

its fine idk mechanics either gg

[restive peak]

God I hope Grom is acting rn

He's gonna die on stream @buoyant salmon

[buoyant salmon]

what happen

[restive peak]

Bro he's screaming in rage on this boss lmaoooooooooooo

[calm quartz]

hes something

[drowsy sphinx]

After i saw ptr warrior "changes" i wish we could use Anger Management in m+ again -_-

[calm quartz]

3 minutes of ads

NO

[young swan]

probably will

[young swan]

rash adds got hard removed from logs

[sudden tusk]

theres no way hes this stupid he has t play it up

[calm quartz]

fuuuuuuck these ads are getting in the way of peak content

[drowsy sphinx]

Most fun thing that fury got nerf and arms too bcs of slayer changes XD

[buoyant salmon]

at what lol

[restive peak]

Bro is actually a goat actor

[dull mantle]

is that it? i didnt realize we played around 4pc at all. are we supposed to?

[restive peak]

Kyveza lmao

[buoyant salmon]

its such a set in stone sequence

[restive peak]

Everything

[proud portal]

bruh

[restive peak]

The balls, the lines

[young swan]

deadass

kyveza is so much easier than every other boss in the last 4

mechanically

how can he not do it

[buoyant salmon]

i feel like its just the easiest

hp nerf was insane

ppl are 5 healing and overkilling

[young swan]

yeah prob

idk brood is actually a joke now

maybe kyveza is easier?

[buoyant salmon]

so many points of failure in brood

idk theyre both a joke

[short cobalt]

hello do we trust sim for trinkets as well, just curious as it says spelunkers 619 waning candle is better than the 619 ara kara egg

[tidal kindle]

Kyveza is easier because you can see everything AND have double digit fps

Can NOT change my mind

[upbeat cedar]

trust the sims bro

[young swan]

yeah maybe

kyveza is a sick fight

imo

[south dome]

Crit is simming higher than vers for me. Is there a low % of crit I should be targeting?

[short cobalt]

I do just wanted to make sure as everyone is always after the egg

[young swan]

no, stat weights dont matter

[buoyant salmon]

true actually

[buoyant salmon]

and real

[south dome]

word

[upbeat cedar]

egg is easiest to target while being very strong, but other things may sim better

[short cobalt]

got it thanks!

dont even remember where I got the spelunkers but yea

619 is max

[upbeat cedar]

delves

[short cobalt]

hmm

indeed

[agile nexus]

Anyone has a tldr of the changes to Fury/Slayer? i cannot tell if its a nerf or not

[hazy spruce]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

TLDR: Colossus buffed very slightly, Slayer moderately nerfed, Fury very minorly buffed.
Arms Slayer loses ~2.3%
Arms Colossus gains ~0.9%
Fury Slayer loses ~0.2%
AM Fury gains ~5% (now within <1% of RA)

[agile nexus]

thanks

[pearl sequoia]

Critcake made a video going over it

[lofty delta]

Cool, might get to play anger management again

[fossil oar]

When deciding to use execute, should I worry about nemesis? Or just 3 stacks of marked for kill, and refreshing juggernaut?

[zenith idol]

@restive peak go to bed

[proud portal]

I watched that and it's just

We can see what they're going for.

[queen flower]

so AM will let slayer fury activate BS twice between avatar/recklessness yeah?

[proud portal]

but it still same situation

[quick schooner]

I dont understand when they blood thrist buffed ( not bloodbath )

Shouldnt bloodbath get stronger by defualt if blood thrist is buffed ?

[drowsy sphinx]

No

[proud portal]

Nope

Blizzard even said it doesn't

[drowsy sphinx]

It doesn't affect RA bloodthirst and RB

[quick schooner]

So what the point ??? We never use blood thirst anyway ? Very very rare to use ut

[drowsy sphinx]

So this is pointless buff

Froce us to plat Anger Management)

[proud portal]

They attempt to have people force into AM

but it barely puts them in line with Reckless abandoned

[drowsy sphinx]

More bursts in m+

[quick schooner]

I see so am is the way to go

[drowsy sphinx]

We use it when 5+ targets

[ivory ingot]

How does it force you to play am

[drowsy sphinx]

For reap storm proc

[ivory ingot]

Since your rage capping alot the value of am is less

[drowsy sphinx]

They need to up Rampage then)

[ivory ingot]

Yes they do

[quick schooner]

We use what on 5+ target ?

[queen flower]

I find the CD reduction on the capstone talent from slayer really inconsistent, sometimes I can have 2 BS, sometimes not. Just a skill issue or am I missing something?

[ivory ingot]

Barely does like 300k per hit

[drowsy sphinx]

Bloodthirst

[ivory ingot]

Go thane and spam tclap

[drowsy sphinx]

Not only it i mean

[ivory ingot]

[drowsy sphinx]

Ye Thor vibes

And 3 hammer stuns XD

[ivory ingot]

Then question life when your under tank dmg on a boss

[runic violet]

are we this not preferred now? I get actively rejected from pugs lol

[drowsy sphinx]

ST is pain nowadays

[ivory ingot]

Colossus feels more for fury then thane

But slayer prot would be kinda

[quick schooner]

What ? I still dont understand . There are priority system and bloodthrist down there and since we are geting enogh range we almost never use it because i will already be using other skill instead

[drowsy sphinx]

Demolish is huge but this stand an hit mechanic is ...

[queen flower]

parry and block from all directions becuase speen

[ivory ingot]

Someone had to get the very weak hero 2nd tree

[short cobalt]

When will these changes come in for the aoe nerf/ST buff?

[drowsy sphinx]

When we respec on frost dk)

[quick schooner]

How dose am feal when you have avatar in 1.5 min. . reck is about random because of am . Oydin in 45 sec and bs random am+ excute stacks . It feal every cd have it own timer .

[cedar bloom]

When will the nerfs take place?

[clever path]

I think a lot of people see the 5 nerfs and auto sort us out because of it

It takes me like an hour to get into a single key

[quick schooner]

Raid pugs or m+

[queen flower]

what is the % variance between the top performing dps and the bottom performing dps across all classes anyways?

[runic violet]

M+

[eager thorn]

There’s a lot of variables to getting in

Ilvl, io score, what ur best key lvl for dg is etc

I tried jumping 2 keys at a time and it never got me invited

Then i did most 1 by 1 and invites ez

[unborn notch]

Also because y'all doom like mfers the community is gonna replicate it

And think fury is bad when that's not even close to true

[eager thorn]

I mean I’ve not seen anyone talk abt fury nerfs outside here/guildies laughing

[unborn notch]

That's fair but it exists surely

[unborn notch]

Problem with this is that the good ppl play the good dps specs so it's skewed in a sense

[quartz tulip]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[unborn notch]

Exception to that is anyone who plays brewmaster

[quick schooner]

To be honest every one have this problem and yes playing weaker class only make it worst . Try to put your own key poeple will join you

[unborn notch]

Are you going for title

[eager thorn]

I mean a big thing abt pugs is ppl dont realise how many dps apply

[sullen dove]

survival gaper

[meager void]

Oh look, more doomer warrior scientists

How original

[eager thorn]

Put a decent key up and you gave like 10-20 615+ 2300+ applicants

[quartz tulip]

Survival is better than fury warrior

[eager thorn]

Gnome player detected opinion rejected

[fading sky]

Doesnt matter is public opinions that matter

[golden hare]

holy hell racism

[eager thorn]

Hell yeah

[quartz tulip]

anyone funnel my new boomie tier or no

[unborn notch]

That's the point I just made about a few minutes ago and got shot down

[quartz tulip]

who out here playing anything other than nerfed class warrior

[meager void]

Omg fury nerfed I am so bad now
(Tuning comes in about 1 month)

[fading sky]

Well at least for puggers of keyS😅

[unborn notch]

Doom doom doom just press odyns fury you baby

[proud portal]

We're in the doomer phase of fury warrior mains 😭

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-don't-care-domain-expansion-don't-care-dc-domain-dc-gif-11428121777671025484

[eager thorn]

You do know theres been like 4 nerfs go live already right

[unborn notch]

My class is so bad (finishes a pack at 3m)

[proud portal]

The tuning is still BAD rn as well

Lmao

😭

We got nerfed 4 times that's live rn

[meager void]

Its so tragic is funny how people are already blaming their shit performance on nerfs that havent been applied yet

[unborn notch]

Ur all just babies

[eager thorn]

Who is blaming their bad performances on nerfs?

[quartz tulip]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[barren coral]

some people here will have a real tragic realisation once they find the "overall data" button on their dps meter

[unborn notch]

Anyone complainung about their damage likely

[quartz tulip]

@warm crag

[proud portal]

😭

[fading sky]

Mainly the 3% ovrrall nerf

[unborn notch]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[fading sky]

I dont get

Maxipad..

[eager thorn]

Who is doing this

[proud portal]

People aren't even talking about that PTR nerfs yet we're in bad state rn that 4 nerfs in a row put fury in a shit position and PTR nerfs will make it worst 😭

[proud portal]

Do it

You know want to say it

[jagged kernel]

Give shaman a tank spec, give warrior lust, class is saved lets fucking go

[unborn notch]

My class is so bad( ppl still doing insane dps in keys 😞😞😞😞😞😭),

I can't burst 6.5m and sustain 4m I can only burst 6.3m and maintain 3.8m

[proud portal]

I mean pure AOE we're pretty fine/decent but you're kind of purposely neglecting the single target damage

:typing:

[unborn notch]

How bad is ST what're the sims

[proud portal]

It's pretty bad

[eager thorn]

Below aug lol

On boss damage

[unborn notch]

Id like to see the numbers

[meager void]

You gotta be surgical with the bursting profile and its competitive.

[unborn notch]

That doesn't make sense

[proud portal]

Idk how our Single target is just bad but it is

That's why the latest "Buffs" were attempt too address it

but it completely didn't do much at all

[unborn notch]

Did I find the one class discord that isn't obsessed with sims?

[eager thorn]

If you want good st just play with worse players

Always top meters gg

[proud portal]

Sadly this is true 😭

[jagged kernel]

huge brain

[drowsy sphinx]

PvE obsessed with sims XD

So every class discords in it i think

[unborn notch]

Isn't that what sims are for what

[eager thorn]

I mean what sim would you want

[unborn notch]

Patchwerk 5 mins

[eager thorn]

Diff ppl gonna sim differently on 5m patch

[proud portal]

He wants to see how bad the single target damage is rn

[barren coral]

there's like a bottomless pit of websites that track dps stats and all show warrior weak in ST

[fading sky]

Why the f is slayer gettin nerfs as well??

[eager thorn]

I think my sim is like 1.2m atm for patch 5

[unborn notch]

How the fuck is that low?

[undone zinc]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#metric=bossdps&aggregate=amount there is dmg to bosses

[jagged kernel]

Ok now take off .2% computer

[unborn notch]

Are there logs that track how much fury ducks anything that isn't a boss

[quartz tulip]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[unborn notch]

But ty for sending that

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[proud portal]

Honestly I think it was nerf # 2 or 3 where they nerfed every single ability by 3% and constantly went after AOE damage but idk why single target is just awful rn

[drowsy sphinx]

i put a lot of work into my warrior so far this expansion.. it's my favourite class to play.. but if it keeps goin on like this, i'll have to change from brown to pink, cause in every shape and form ret paladin is just way better, their aoe is consistent and outputs a lot of damage, their single target is just as disgusting, and they actually have useful utility as a dps, off heals, immunities, A BATTLE RES, a cleanse.. like warrior is designed to DO damage, yet it seems like they don't want them to actually DO BFD.

these nerfs to warrior are unwarranted and a knee jerk reaction to fury having strong BURST aoe damage, out side of dropping every cooldown on a mobs forehead fury aoe is mediocre at best, they're making it very hard to enjoy the game with constant back to back nerfs.

[proud portal]

Like it just seems they haven't actually buffed rampage?

[unborn notch]

Lol survival is high AF gaming

[eager thorn]

Fury is high gaming

[unborn notch]

I listened to critcake today who said rampage is so low on prio it's bad and I can agree with that 100%

[drowsy sphinx]

Bomb spam like in sl)

[proud portal]

Or even our baseline abilities too just be viable like I rather have burst AOE nerfed and have sustain damage buff. But single target is just

fff

[fading sky]

Tbf we are playing aoe talents and prob send cds intp adds

[unborn notch]

^^^^^

Genius

[elder vessel]

Does anyone else start crashing the fuck out and start foaming from the mouth when you can’t pop every pack and watch pink class pass you in overall? Or just me haha

[proud portal]

Yeah that's what I saw today too just like we're forced too full send on AOE talents

Like rampage just feels so fucking weak man

[unborn notch]

That's what arms has had to do for years

[jagged kernel]

TBF every other class got a hero talent that added a bunch of shit, and we got a proc on a button we never press and a bunch of damage tied into bladestorm that eats nerf after nerf because we aren't allowed to be good at anything

[unborn notch]

Slayer is one of the worse gameplay trees that I know of yea

[eager thorn]

No cos i don’t get beat by rets

[proud portal]

It's like that due to Mountain Thane Fury just

Bad

[fading sky]

Who wouldda though that roar, of + bladestorm would mean burst aoe😅

[proud portal]

Like barely any damage vs Slayer

I also think single target damage is low due to Bladestorm being a "Key" factor that's being nerfed into the ground

[fading sky]

Tbf if they just buffed st of thane

[hazy spruce]

Has anyone here ever watched the first pull of an 8-11 key? Everyone uses all their cooldowns on the first pack, and you might win, but you might also lose in damgae. However, on the next pack, no one has cooldowns available, and you’re just pressing your abilities with IMP WW every 4th GLobal while other classes are pulling around 1.3 to 1.6 million damage without any cooldowns, and you’re only pulling about 700 to 900k?

[oak bear]

make hero talent based around bs and undertune the other one. blizz: omg why bs so op

[unborn notch]

Be aware and save your cooldowns maybe

[molten wing]

WW Cleave is just creating a lot of problems where buffing fury and its ST is also buffing its cleave

[unborn notch]

[proud portal]

It's more of our Spec is based on CD Burst

[hazy spruce]

the first pull is massive with lust, why am i saving them?

[proud portal]

We have crap sustain damage

😭

[fading sky]

Not rly

[barren coral]

is this guy just farming ragebait?

[jagged kernel]

Reroll too Ret and win the first pull and still pump the next pull

[unborn notch]

So you could kill the next pack and make the key faster

[eager thorn]

Unhinged procs should work with imp ww

Change my mind

[molten wing]

a lot of stuff should be different

[proud portal]

I honestly think they should've just made Improved whirlewind baseline for fury and this problem would've been solved

[unborn notch]

I want to fuck with doomers that's all I don't hate fury warriors and some ppl have been reasonable

[proud portal]

so quickly

[molten wing]

Unhinged should work with imp ww , Avatar should also be reduced by Anger Management etc

[unborn notch]

But I'm just looking to talk shit to someone who thinks it's dead spec

[eager thorn]

Would actually be sick too since youd use the 4 imp ww charges from ava and not waste them when you of after bs

[unborn notch]

Do u want to be nerfed again

[hazy spruce]

you're saying not to pop cd's on lust, and to save them? crazy.

[unborn notch]

In an 8? Did u need them?

To kill the first pack

On a tyran week

[fading sky]

🤣

[proud portal]

If it's a "Big pull" pack for them lusting

Yes

[fading sky]

They want fury to play am

[hazy spruce]

no.

[jagged kernel]

Good, RA is cringe

[unborn notch]

You are at least aware of the problems that creates

Esp for tanks and healers if the next packs hard

[fading sky]

But ra is our st😅

[proud portal]

But problem with Fury in AOE aspect they have really bad sustain damage and thus you actually have to pop CD's in-between packs in order keep up the damage with other Specs.

[drowsy sphinx]

RA for raids AM for m+ after changes just like Crit said

[proud portal]

^

[unborn notch]

Organize with your group who should pop CDs

[proud portal]

RA is our single target for raids

😭

[ornate gust]

Simply they want us to play DF season 2 playstyle.

[oak bear]

reroll dk always op

[proud portal]

but in a water down diet version of it

💀

[molten wing]

also with Slayer reducing Bladestorm CD + AM Reducing Bladestorm CD , you are desyncing so so much it feels weird

[cold fable]

Guys, cheer up, we get a change every update, meaning they are actually looking at the spec... Doing big meetings with some guy displaying a ppt explaining how much we need to be nerfed and all other ones agreeing. I am sure Blizzard has a big plan for us 😂😂😂

[queen flower]

feels like they need to buff our single target

[ornate gust]

True.. shit aoe and shit st damage

[proud portal]

Buff Rampage

a lot

[unborn notch]

Reactions banned here is a war crime

[proud portal]

Please

[jagged kernel]

[molten wing]

Buff Rampage by a lot , only when its striking a single target

[proud portal]

No rampage in general

needs a buff

it's bad

[jagged kernel]

Buff Rampage by a lot , only when its striking a single target

[drowsy sphinx]

So give us same set bonus, not this crap XD

[proud portal]

Like Rampage is not priority in rotation rn

[drowsy sphinx]

4 set bonus fo fury is cringe

[fading sky]

This was a good idea

[molten wing]

it will be when you start playing AM

[queen flower]

the 4 piece set bonus made my lul when i saw it

[molten wing]

you will be pressing Rampage whenever you can with AM

[queen flower]

20% bloodthirst damage, woo

[fading sky]

Tier is garbage

[proud portal]

The damage is doodoo garbo

that's problem with 0 Single target

[hazy spruce]

if your not popping your cds on every aoe pack, you will come nowhere near the top in dmg, and you probably won't anyway.

[unborn notch]

Anger management is one of the best talents that exists in wow and id hope they buff rampage so AM is good 👍

[proud portal]

If you want to solve single target damage you need to buff Rampage too ability that actually does hit hard as it suppose to be design wise.

[unborn notch]

I can agree on that completely

[fading sky]

Tbh these new nerfs in ptr i dont understand at all

[jagged kernel]

Buff BT too be over RB too, let me fish for slayer dopamine procs

[queen flower]

cold steel hot blood crit build go

[hazy spruce]

inferior warrior needs dmg taken away from of/bs, and heavily added to rb/rampage. fixes sustain, buffs st.

[jagged kernel]

real

[hazy spruce]

fury*not inferior mbmb

[barren coral]

i know its cliche to say this now but nothing feels like it hits hard on fury besides bladestorm

[drowsy sphinx]

Annihilator come back XD

[hazy spruce]

that shit's bis, inferior warrior.

[barren coral]

like whole class is just a very amped up melee attacker

[unborn notch]

Would you all agree that giving fury bladestorm was a mistake?

[hazy spruce]

rename this channel to inferior warrior.

[proud portal]

I just want better sustain damage(Which is problem mostly in sustain AOE,) and better rampage damage

[queen flower]

I enjoyed annihilator because I could turn off my brain and just focus mechanics

[unborn notch]

I said that day 1 of normal dungeons

[jagged kernel]

Nah I like bladestorm on fury, specs just undercooked right now

[unborn notch]

But you can't have Bs and rampage pump

[queen flower]

blade storm good, devs bad at balance

[proud portal]

Problem is they nerfed bladestorm which also killed the single target for slayer since it Relies on bladestorm.

Just devs is crap at tuning

[unborn notch]

Ijust don't think you can have both

[barren coral]

no, top 5 spells in the game for fun factor

[queen flower]

dead set on making us the most mid tier dps every expac

[barren coral]

replace every spell with bladestorm

[jagged kernel]

I'd take mid tier over worst ST in the game

[unborn notch]

Bladestorm being hasted for fury is so nuts man compared to arms that's also a crazy problem

You lose many less globals

[proud portal]

Bladestorm always has been fun. I was 😠 when they removed it in DF then gave it back :D. Alternative we got was the Ravager

You remember Ravager

[unborn notch]

Ravager sucks a lot

[proud portal]

Exactly what we went through in DF

[unborn notch]

I said a bad word about ravager and got warned

[proud portal]

Ravager was like 100% needed for majority of PVE content in Dragonflight

It sucked

S2 and S4 PTSD

[unborn notch]

I have gotten my fill of discussing fury for the night thank you to all that participated

here's to no more % decreases and rampage buffs

[queen flower]

slayer bladestorm should make your next 3 rampages a better version like RA does to bt and rb

[spiral ridge]

yeah idk get why there are no cool interactions with rampage with the hero trees

I guess dmg amp but

[jagged kernel]

I mean the idea seems like they want one to be the raging blow tree and the other the bloodthirst tree

But they both suck at that

[proud portal]

We're in Purgatory of dooming

[unborn notch]

I think even the concept of slayer is a failure

The baseline of a random hit doing some damage?? 😔

How boring is that

[jagged kernel]

Concept of slayer is gas because I like when I go whooosh after I press BT

[queen flower]

I took the dps tier chart of fury being at the bottom as carte blanche to just run whatever I want because I wont be doing dps this patch. Which works for me because I am an SMF enjoyer.

[unborn notch]

Idk what that means considering as I've not played fury in tww

[queen flower]

slayer is all passive chance to hit an extra time, which gives your next bladestorm more hits and your execute reduces its CD

but its only a chance to do both those things

off your autos

and I guess BT

[unborn notch]

Passives fucking blow

Cdr is beast tho

[proud portal]

I literally don't understand those random hit procs

It sucks

[unborn notch]

Replace slayers random mechanics with spending rage

Thoughts?

[jagged kernel]

this is very satisfying when it procs

[proud portal]

Cus at times you would suddenly do extreme amount of damage then Literally NOTHING at all

😭

[unborn notch]

Okay but what if it wasn't a chance and when you pressed rampage so much shit happened it felt good

[spiral ridge]

be better if it was guaranteed but did less maybe

[restive pewter]

did we get nerfed again (again)

[proud portal]

I honestly wouldn't mind that if the procs tied too my abilities too spend rage or pressing rampage(% stuff) etc

[restive pewter]

I thought they were just changing target cap

[ornate gust]

yes again again again and again

[queen flower]

the CD reduction feels a bit odd though, because you have to take sudden death alongside slayer to make use of all your procs

[proud portal]

TLDR: Colossus buffed very slightly, Slayer moderately nerfed, Fury very minorly buffed.
Arms Slayer loses ~2.3%
Arms Colossus gains ~0.9%
Fury Slayer loses ~0.2%
AM Fury gains ~5% (now within <1% of RA)

[queen flower]

and it still is inconsistent

[proud portal]

From the latest

[eager thorn]

Cant wait for blizz to cap this at 5 targets too

[restive pewter]

Ah gotcha thanks

[proud portal]

Like problems basically exists all you're doing now @restive pewter is putting AM for M+/AOE content

[jagged kernel]

Please blizz 🙏 I love WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW WW rotation

[zenith gorge]

Hey, could someone help me with this vault? Never been so lost before. Been thinking and thinking for hours now and can't make up my mind

[proud portal]

😭

[prisma rose]

everybody client crashed lol wtf

[unborn notch]

Arms caught so many strays from fury nerfs - critcake

[restive pewter]

Ah shibal okie

[jagged kernel]

[proud portal]

It's only going to continue sadly

😔

[unborn notch]

Pick Ilvl/ the coolest option

[tribal flint]

I understand we were strong, but its just anti-fun to get nerfed every week, working for your gear, only to see your power go down. Whats the point of playing?

[unborn notch]

My prime target right here

[velvet obsidian]

We were so insanely bad, then they nerfed us, and now they nerf us again.

[unborn notch]

AANOTHER ONE

[jagged kernel]

You exist too make ret players feel better about themselves 👍

[eager thorn]

Delusional take

[proud portal]

You said it at the exact same moment

you jinxed it

[velvet obsidian]

It's all dooming now. Is there no escape?

[proud portal]

😭

[tribal flint]

i laughed

[eager thorn]

Fury was in no way insanely bad

[proud portal]

No escape

We're doomed

[eager thorn]

It still isn’t

[tribal flint]

We have to storm the headquarters, and take our class back

[molten wing]

well now you know how ret was feeling back in Classic/BC

[unborn notch]

Guys my class is ONLY bursting 7m on NW first pack instead of rets I'm pressing every button perfectly surely I am better than sims but I'm only doing less damage because they nerfed my class

[proud portal]

1st nerf was fine, then subsequent 3 nerfs later it was worst

😭

[jagged kernel]

Fury should've been mid and most of the raid was just perfectly designed for them. And now we get to suck dick because we made the rare mistake of warrior being good at something.

[eager thorn]

Yes the nerfs are annoying but we’re not an awful spec even after em

[jagged kernel]

Still paying off our crimes for classic

[velvet obsidian]

Before the target cap we had worst damage in boss and were in the bottom third of M+ damage. Only thing we did well was cheat pad damage on specific boss fights.

[proud portal]

😔

[queen flower]

with CDs in aoe spec, some raid encounters I go crazy, but most everything else its low to mid

[tribal flint]

Packs with no cooldowns feel awful

[velvet obsidian]

Which isn't even being tracked anymore. What were we good at exactly other than heroic dungeons?

[eager thorn]

Are you a 99th percentile player in a guild full of other 99th percentile players? If not the boss dmg graph doesnt really matter for you

[tribal flint]

altho doesnt happen much

[restive pewter]

We’ll probably still get taken to kill adds in raid

Which is good

but m+

:doomge:

[proud portal]

[golden hare]

fun fact you can press n and spec prot it is very fun and free invites to m+

[proud portal]

I still hate it that we're below augmentation evokers of all specs in the game for single target.

[calm quartz]

Ret is fun, I like saving people with lay on hands

[jagged kernel]

you get a good shield in your vault this week?

[queen flower]

I suppose part of the damage loss is uptime due to poor boss placement/mechanics, but I am not in a mythic guild or anything so eh

[jagged kernel]

[proud portal]

Idk how it's possible but we achieve rockbottom in single target.

[velvet obsidian]

Schizo take. I do noticeably less damage than other specs at the same iLVL/skill level. And via ility in the top tier effects group invites at lower tiers as well.

[eager thorn]

Not at all schizo take

[proud portal]

[eager thorn]

Ur not playing in the environment where these stats exist

[velvet obsidian]

Ah shit, the 'nuh uh' defense. My b

[summer crater]

Yeah because boss damage doesn't matter for someone in a regular guild wiping on that boss

[queen flower]

I play SMF specifically so I can always have that option

[golden hare]

erm

[eager thorn]

Thats not what I’m saying

I do more boss dmg than a lot of my raid team

[buoyant salmon]

if ur wiping to sikran or some shit to damage

[unborn notch]

This one was worth savinf

[buoyant salmon]

your guild sucks dick ur players are bad

its not about class dps

play better

[unborn notch]

Ty urgost

[velvet obsidian]

Happy to be of service

[summer crater]

This just says they're really bad or undergeared compared to you

[unborn notch]

Would u like to see a psychiatrist

[eager thorn]

Yes exactly

[velvet obsidian]

Gotta switch my status to 'dooming IRL'. One sec

[eager thorn]

Fury is only worst st if everyone is 99 parsing

Which is not the case for most ppl

[fading sky]

Even bad guilds prio better classes

[jagged kernel]

R1 Fury is below 80 parsing enhances

🤔

[summer crater]

Yeah but then you go on a frost DK and you do more than them and 10-15% extra on top of what you're already doing

[proud portal]

💀

[eager thorn]

Not related to what i said but ok

[velvet obsidian]

Out of curiosity is a 50 parse for fury higher than a 50 parse for frost?

[eager thorn]

Yeah sure if you can pilot frost dk to the same level

[velvet obsidian]

Fair enough I'm not Riku

[proud portal]

Bro he just commented on your parsing comment 😭

[chrome canyon]

Damn it’s like Margot Robbie saying that she is ugly lmao

[eager thorn]

I’m not talking abt 80 enhance parses tho?

[unborn notch]

My man ❤️

[golden hare]

you're saying the spec isn't bad because you play with worse players which is a very funny argument to me

[fading sky]

80 parses gap is same?

[jagged kernel]

Except your R1 parse is less dam than your 80 parsing guildmates

[unborn notch]

I'm happy to see there are humans in this discord

[proud portal]

💀

[eager thorn]

Yes because the spec isnt bad overall

[proud portal]

We're not human

[unborn notch]

I'm gonna say it

[restive pewter]

spec def has its merits in raid

[north yew]

this is all AI

[proud portal]

We're slowly turning into biological robots

[golden hare]

i agree the spec isn't bad but the argument stinks

[eager thorn]

Its bad comparatively to players who are all performing exceptionally well

[unborn notch]

Fury should never be good ST and should only do AOE damage

[restive pewter]

i just dont see what we bring to m+ that isnt bshout

[eager thorn]

Yeah again not related

[fading sky]

Vs hance assasin mages

[eager thorn]

Also light mode user so 0 iq gg

[velvet obsidian]

Only mages get to be good at everything

[jagged kernel]

The only group I could get in too was a 4stack first timing a +2 Grim Batol and I was 2nd place on the damage meter! FURY IS SAVED!

[golden hare]

like you don't bring fury for its single target damage

[velvet obsidian]

That's fairness

[molten spear]

What? hahahhahahaah you don't understand how parse works, do you?

[hushed ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[proud portal]

at least not below Augmentation evoker

😭

[chrome canyon]

Don’t worry guys, fury is still good in Diablo 4 Vessel of Hatred

[golden hare]

HELL YEAH

[eager thorn]

Yes i do understand parses

[velvet obsidian]

That's the real one. That's where it hurts

[restive pewter]

Don’t worry guys, fury is still good in Diablo 4 Vessel of Hatred

[molten spear]

No, you don't

[jagged kernel]

This is the average fury defender 🤣

[unborn notch]

I am so MAD that reactions don't exist here

[proud portal]

[eager thorn]

Alright thanks for clarifying what i know and what i dony

[pearl sequoia]

im getting pissed of seeing that advertismenet on twitch

[proud portal]

💀

[eager thorn]

What is copium abt this

[pearl crypt]

Ok lads

[restive pewter]

just completely irrelevant no

[pearl crypt]

Atill doomer or

[restive pewter]

turbo cope

[proud portal]

Your arguement just stinks my guy.

[tired brook]

Turn light mode off -_-

[molten spear]

You said an incorrect, thing, that's it. Fury is the worst st dps, that's it

[eager thorn]

Ok cool thanks

[hushed ocean]

meanwhile FDK and RET still living their best life

[golden hare]

stop stealing my words

[eager thorn]

At 99th percentile yes

[jagged kernel]

Turn it off for me after you hop off this dick

[eager thorn]

Have you checked other percentiles?

[proud portal]

Never

[wanton coral]

These ptr notes made me almost cry, can't have fun on either arms or fury. We have two warriors, we been sort asked to get dks and enhance ready, as not bringing two warriors

[pearl crypt]

Lads we still doomin or we shilling

[tired brook]

No way u look at discord and you’re like “yeah, i want it completely white”

[molten spear]

At every percentile

[unborn notch]

I'm fucking stroking my shit rn man I'm a freak fr I'm just here blade storming

[velvet obsidian]

Fairs fair, we have stats saying we're shit. Where are the stats saying we're good? I'm down to huff Hopium, I just need something real.

[tired brook]

absolutely evil

[unborn notch]

LMAO

Based

[jagged kernel]

Why's your avatars background white dude, No way you look at your profile and you're like "yeah, i want it completely white."