fury

[strong pilot]

lmao

[dusty cove]

why they gotta nerf slayer man. Cant they just make thain better instead

[hard widget]

I would pick what the sim suggests

[misty kiln]

Shard + Blood

[astral root]

Sim, but pretty sure shard and sac

[hard widget]

Probably shard tho, because its myth track

[narrow narwhal]

Shard sack

[unreal onyx]

for both?

[forest owl]

shard and sac for sure

[ember apex]

was there any other class in the game that never got their rework before TWW launch? i thought it was shamans as well or am i remembering wrong?

[hard widget]

Myth track > hero track

[ember apex]

we were teased a rework like 3 times and never got

[dusty cove]

we are still due a rework? thats reassuring then

maybe

[quaint zenith]

Thinking about switching mains

[ember apex]

it was supposed to happen during DF, then prepatch, then pre-raid

[quaint zenith]

Tried enh shaman but it feels clunky idk

[hard widget]

So try frost dk

Like everyone else

[ember apex]

there's a guy in here called 11.1 rework or something who has changed his name literally like 4 times

[forest owl]

thats because it is

[quaint zenith]

I like outlaw rogue but I feel like they are in the same spot as fury

[ember apex]

rogues are also spec juggling rn for diff bosses so they're just scooping up diff gear

[buoyant salmon]

do it then

[ember apex]

b/c outlaw wants haste cap and others want crit vers

etc....

[quaint zenith]

I say that but I always come back to warrior

It's what I've always played

[hard widget]

Barry is playing Deal of No Deal with us but with WoW specs

[dusty cove]

Blizzard missing the mark big time with buffing the base spells and nerfing slayer. Just let us have fun

[heavy dock]

this is a bad joke right

[ember apex]

did anyone want blizz to fix Warrior by buffing base damage of bloodthirst/raging blow

?

[quaint zenith]

I really like anger management honestly

[eager thorn]

Me

[hard widget]

You’d think so. But there is no “haha” or “lmao” of “jkjk” at the end

[heavy dock]

i like am too but lol

[hard widget]

Unfortunately

[heavy dock]

'buffing st dmg'

xddddd

[fringe vale]

the team behind these nerfs and the "balancing" needs to be terminated

[ember apex]

i love anger management too but u guys prob forgot since these changes were made in pre-patch but they absolutely GUTTED ur ability to generate rage + proc recklessness from things like onslaught

[heavy dock]

in what world do we go full am 90% reck uptime build in single target

[ember apex]

so anger management as u knew it in DF is basically gone

[heavy dock]

anddrop ra

[quaint zenith]

It's slight for reckless abandon

[ember apex]

i also dont like RA gameplay at all

[buoyant salmon]

okay so stay warrior

[quaint zenith]

I played a bit with AM earlier and it feels good

[buoyant salmon]

it makes sense, their numbers are just off

[quaint zenith]

Ok?

[hard widget]

Deal or no deal

[buoyant salmon]

they did buff am and nerf ra which was the goal

[strong pilot]

ST damage

[buoyant salmon]

am is just further behind than they thought

[runic cypress]

I'm sure the blizzard dev team did extensive tuning in delves and are buffing/nerfing classes accordingly

[heavy dock]

cant they just buff rampage to the point where capping rage is a dps loss

problem solved ;d

[hard widget]

U just explained anger management

🙂

[red coral]

Putting bandaids over a severed arm

[quaint zenith]

What happened to onslaught also

[buoyant salmon]

youd just never play ra ever

[heavy dock]

yeah

[heavy dock]

good

[hard widget]

Unpaid temporary leave

[ember apex]

well not spending rampage is a dps loss for anger management b/c of the CDR value

[buoyant salmon]

not good from a design point

[formal stump]

So im reading fury warrior stat priority. When did crit rate get thrown to the bottom of the priority list?

[buoyant salmon]

having talents you never ever consider taking for anything is bad gameplay

[heavy dock]

in legion

[hard widget]

Just sim it, and do what the robot says

Stat priority is just a guideline

[buoyant salmon]

after bfa bc gushing wounds

crit was good with cshb

[heavy dock]

bfa doesnt exist

shh

[buoyant salmon]

idk what gushing wounds is idk why i said that

[heavy dock]

gushing wounds is what the debuff is named today

[buoyant salmon]

oh okay

[upper heron]

can some furyologist explain why we keep getting nerfed

[ember apex]

gushing wounds is a DoT from bloodthirst/bloodbath crits

[slim grotto]

cuz devs play ret

[upper heron]

damn rets, they ruin everything

[heavy dock]

because enha needs buffs bro

[fringe vale]

the owners son plays boomkin

[buoyant salmon]

if you read what they are saying they arent trying to nerf fury overall

[ember apex]

😭

[heavy dock]

they are only doing 3m sustained dps in ST

[buoyant salmon]

they just missed the mark on what theyre trying to do

[heavy dock]

but just let one spec be better

[red coral]

The devs don’t have access to tools like simulation craft

[heavy dock]

you messed up ok whatever, next season

[rotund ginkgo]

Real

The devs can't test things, it's not their fault guys

[heavy dock]

you cannot have 2 specs do the same dps that will never happen in wow

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-22055472

[slim grotto]

ya...next season will be different guys

[upper heron]

those poor broke devs, small indie companies really need our money where's their patreon

[formal stump]

Ive heard the fury getting nerfd thing since LK. And somehow we always come out on top

[fringe vale]

are you lowkey saying the devs are R*******^

[buoyant salmon]

dragonflight balancing was really really good for the first halfish

[warped pebble]

i wanna kill myself with these nerfs

make it stop

[buoyant salmon]

in amirdrassil balance was good for the raid roo

too

[heavy dock]

i liked aberrus

i stopped playing after s2

[buoyant salmon]

abberus was great

[sudden tusk]

it technically does what it says.

[formal stump]

So is there even a minimal crit rate I should aim for?

[slim grotto]

theyre nerfing us cuz we're getting another leggo 2H next season

[heavy dock]

no

[upper heron]

i think then id actually kill myself

[formal stump]

So if I had 15% it fine?

[sudden tusk]

we do gain roughly 2.2-2.3% single target from that change however we lose 2% from overwhelmed stacka and anotother bit from the Bladestorm change nerf

[vagrant cave]

Anger Management coming back? >.> I love that talent

[sudden tusk]

so its a net negative, but i can see the logic however flawed it is

[fringe vale]

oh greeat! another crafted leggo, with todays economy, a 3M spend! for a 3% dps gain

[slim grotto]

fury warr exists to perpetuate the gold sink. The economy is our fault and they will absorb all the gold thru crafting more 2Hs

[upper heron]

but warriors dont know how to make money. all we know is spin

[strong pilot]

just zug by the mailbox

[fringe vale]

they will always blame the browns

[dusty cove]

so has blizz always hated warriors?

[upper heron]

do you think the harvest golem transmog will help or hinder my mailbox quest

[eager thorn]

Weird flex

[upper heron]

eat the rich includes you

[strong pilot]

some people pay extra for that

[heavy dock]

what are u selling ll

[ember apex]

nothin

just do ur professions

[fringe vale]

probably carries

[strong pilot]

we got a goblin warrior goddamn

[fringe vale]

yeah right XD

[heavy dock]

well its acutions

not carries

[ember apex]

i did acuity shuffle day 2 of expac

i learned a prof, leveled it up got acuity, dropped it and learned another one

[strong pilot]

not the acuity shuffles

[buoyant salmon]

no theyve been consistently good for hears

years

[fringe vale]

oh so you already had lots of gold, gotcha

[ember apex]

df s1 made goldcap in like 5 hours from ench

sophic devotion enchant

[tribal flint]

Wait, so we got nerfed again ?

[ember apex]

they avoided directly nerfiing fury by nerfing slayer

but yeah slayer got nerfed

[buoyant salmon]

#updates-midnight

[tribal flint]

Ah

[hasty forum]

nerfed and buffed

so idk

[tribal flint]

Fury slayer got barely nerfed

[fringe vale]

its a nerf

[tribal flint]

Arms slayer got nerfed moderately

[hasty forum]

raging blow dmg increased by 30% bloodthirst buffed too

[fringe vale]

when the overall number is a negative its a nerf

[buoyant salmon]

very slight nerf, they just missed the mark on what they were trying to do

[fringe vale]

regardless if there is p[ossitives in between

[buoyant salmon]

they want am to be a relevant talent but didn’t give enough compensation

[fringe vale]

its the result that matters, this time its negative again so a nerf

[tribal flint]

Tbh having consistent damage is better than having to pray you didn’t pull aggro

[copper patio]

Also thane left in the dust and ignored

[ember apex]

💯

[buoyant salmon]

patch is weeks away they are likely going to iterate on these changes

[tribal flint]

I may try out AM..

[strong pilot]

fury wasn't designed for sustained damage

[buoyant salmon]

you cant talk about results until its closer to live

[strong pilot]

and these buffs aren't even that lul

[buoyant salmon]

it was like that all of sl and df

but for sure

anytime you play am fury is a sustain dps spec

[ember apex]

its ~0.9 - 1.1%

[buoyant salmon]

thats just how it is

[fringe vale]

all i saw is last time we got a lil thing we fell 20 places in the ladder, so you tell me bro.

[ember apex]

maybe the numbers are diff u spec into AM instead of RA

[buoyant salmon]

you dont know what youre talking about

fury is still great in the rakd

raid

i dont give a fuck what the “ladder” says

[fringe vale]

its a class, its not great, its fun tho.

[ember apex]

that isn't raiding community consensus

[teal pine]

AM buff is a big m+ buff and with culling nerfed there’s even more of a reason to go brutal finish which is even more aoe. These aren’t really doomer patch notes

[fringe vale]

ST dmg is rat ass

[buoyant salmon]

the general population is allowed to be wrong

[stoic axle]

The "buffs" to compensate didn't help our single target, they just brought the more dogshit other talent build to the same level of dogshit the current build is so now we have ✨build diversity✨

[buoyant salmon]

yes they missed the tuning mark but the idea is a good idea

[teal pine]

That was because of the rashanan change on wclogs, not because of nerfs

[ember apex]

these are 100% doomer patch notes. anything short of them just revereting our nerfs is a doomer situation

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-14382673246413447193

make AM effect avatar

[lament lagoon]

Nerf this nerf that, zug will never die

[fringe vale]

its because the st dmg is ass also.

[silk wharf]

yes, doom discord, doom.

[buoyant salmon]

straight up not true lmao

even with fury doing beans st theyre still a good spec for the raid

swap to arms for 2 fights

[lean wasp]

so there is no plate class or tanks with bl, what if warrior gets one, it would even match the theme of bb, ramp, AM, and all the bloody abilities and rage stuff we have

imo it make sense they should add it and it would make warrior more viable overall

[fringe vale]

its like 3 or 4, soon to be 5

[teal pine]

It’s been bad the whole time and it was still the highest performing spec in the raid. Fury’s drop is almost entirely due to rashanan

[buoyant salmon]

i think the issue with warrior getting bl is no tank has one

[buoyant salmon]

name them

[teal pine]

Which means it’s not a real drop. Fury is still top tier

[buoyant salmon]

i mean first 2 bosses mean jack shit anyways and you can argue sikran means jack shit as well

[stoic axle]

Gear is getting to a point where now FDK, warlocks, DH and others can pad just as hard as we can in the raid so we don't even really have that going for us

[buoyant salmon]

fdk was competing with warrior before any changes

that is one of the 3 best specs in the game for all content

[lean wasp]

yea but why not

[buoyant salmon]

i dont have an answer for that, i think thats just why they havent given it to any class with a tank spec

[silk wharf]

Warrior needs a battle res shout. You just yell at someone who died until they get back up.

[lean wasp]

i get your point but its not bad idea to start doing it

[stoic axle]

That doesn't help our case though, regardless of when the other specs caught up that still means the one thing fury is supposed to be the best at, we're not or at least tied for it

= dooming from the fury discord

[runic cypress]

Is it finally over for us?

[olive wraith]

Nah

[pliant jackal]

da fuck we asked for ST and we got it

[olive wraith]

This helps m+

[pliant jackal]

whats the problem lmao

[fringe vale]

where?

[buoyant salmon]

we lost st but their goal is good

[olive wraith]

RA actually lost a tiny bit of st

[stoic axle]

We didn't really get ST though

[buoyant salmon]

they just missed the tuning mark a little bit

[olive wraith]

AM gained st tbf

[pliant jackal]

im i reading the patch notes wrong?

lol

[stoic axle]

Those ST buffs only really affect AM which is significantly behind RA

[olive wraith]

Am is really close now

[clever path]

Blizz misses the mark every time they shoot. They need to start walking the shot to the target lol make sure they at least get close

[pliant jackal]

yea but RB and BT is buffed no?

[stoic axle]

Idk the numbers but the dev note even said those buffs are only meant to bring AM closer to RA, not improve our overall ST capability

[restive granite]

naa man this is personal now

[fringe vale]

lol

[strong pilot]

my man cannot read

[olive wraith]

Ya we didn’t gain any ST. These changes buffed AM to be within 1% of RA. But you have more aoe

[teal pine]

#updates-midnight

[olive wraith]

So it’s a win for m+

[teal pine]

AM big buff. RA small nerf

[fervent yoke]

Is it time to doom yet?

[olive wraith]

Nah

[stoic axle]

I suppose so, RIP RA though I enjoy it so much more than AM

[slim coral]

the nerfs just don't stop huh

[whole latch]

time for blizzard to nerf titans grip and buff single minded

they could nerf rally while they are at it

[pliant jackal]

Oh fuck

[whole latch]

its already dog

[pliant jackal]

I see it now

[summer quail]

prob a tiny one yeah

[restive granite]

the weird blizzard guy pushing all these nerfs has some ex that mains warrior

[remote veldt]

Thanks for me make laugh in the ocean of bad things

[olive wraith]

I think it’s a decent sized buff

[regal grotto]

least we get BT/RB buff

[round kelp]

bro, again!

[hard widget]

I like the title on wowhead @edgy widget

[summer quail]

without the aoe nerfs yeah it would be

[whole latch]

pinging archi 🤨

[olive wraith]

AM is affected less by the aoe nerf

[hard widget]

So?

[whole latch]

😄

[summer crater]

Hey, we at least get to stay spot 21

[slim coral]

yeah sick compensation buffs

[summer quail]

how? AM and RA cast the same amount of odyns and troar. i guess you can make the arguement that AM has reck more for those

[slim coral]

xD

[restive peak]

It is absolutely not an overall class buff

[spiral idol]

Just wait for season 2 where the tier set is so strong that they have to nerf the base class to compensate

[pliant jackal]

this is literally us

[upbeat plume]

yeah this is a sad kick in the pants weve been nerfed what? 4 times now?

[slim coral]

I just don't know what blizz has against fury warrior

[summer crater]

Were there any DK nerfs in it or?

[edgy widget]

think they mean because you bladestorm more, so it makes up a greater portion of your damage? idk hard argument to make, lot more factors to consider - really though, the change is made predominantly at raiding rather than M+, and AM typically hasd little value in that context

[summer quail]

no lol

[summer crater]

Considering two of their specs dominate

[strong pilot]

no

no ret nerfs aswell

[upbeat plume]

none of the front runners got any major nerfs except us and arcane mage and arcane mage is still a top spec

[olive wraith]

Ya more BS

[restive peak]

I’m trying to reserve my deep dooming until this upcoming week, because I’m anticipating some big tuning waves and there’s a very real chance a lot of the super OP classes are getting nerfed now and not 11.0.5

[olive wraith]

Probably inherently more bt casts too for reap procs but that’s tbd

[restive peak]

However this is still dogwater

[forest owl]

what makes fury being nerfed annoying so much, is the lack of seeing any nerfs for other specs that are absolutely better than us in all scenarios.

[slim coral]

fire and frost mage are also very top tier

[upbeat plume]

oh yeah they got buffs right

[keen forum]

please pass the bong brother

[restive peak]

I mean we KNOW tuning is coming this upcoming week

[fringe vale]

i need a hit also

[strong pilot]

fire mage disc dooming about how nerfed they are tho kek

[restive peak]

Max already confirmed that blizzard has told them tuning will happen now that the race is over

[slim coral]

how do we know that

[pulsar olive]

didn't fire just get a big nerf as well?

[upbeat plume]

we do know tunings coming but recent decisions have made me lose what little hope/faith in blizzard I had lol

[restive peak]

It’s just a matter of what and who and how much

[upbeat plume]

it will probably be more nerfs at this rate

[pliant jackal]

its time to bring it back

[keen forum]

"surely the nerfs will be accompanied by a buff"

[summer quail]

but bs didn't get nerfed... unless you're talking about the first one in hc week. hard argument to make

[vivid lagoon]

We are good compared to shadow priest lol

I feel bad for them

[noble pulsar]

they are nerfing us so they can buff our tier guys...right?

[whole latch]

priests should heal

[restive peak]

Fdk, arcane and enh will be nerfed on live, they won’t leave it until the patch

However all this means is we’re going into a mage boomkin meta

[strong pilot]

warriors should tank

[runic cypress]

Do you think blizzard hates warriors because Afrasiabi liked them so much? Are we being punished because of that

[fossil rapids]

Single target buff is nice, our single target is stinky

[runic cypress]

Like what's even going on

[restive peak]

We didn’t get a single target buff

[summer quail]

??? show me the st buffs pls

[restive peak]

We got a buff to an offshoot of the spec that is still weaker than our current ST

[forest owl]

whose gonna tell him guys? ...

[fossil rapids]

BT going from 155 - 194%?

[fringe vale]

jesus people's reading comprehension is so ass wtf

[restive peak]

Doesn’t affect BB or CB

[summer quail]

that's a single target nerf mostly. not aoe

[keen forum]

a talent got buffed to be less than 1% worse than the talents we actually use

[strong pilot]

people coping way too hard about the st 'buffs'

[tame juniper]

it's a bladestorm nerf which is what you just argued didnt happen

[restive peak]

AM is still weaker than RA, which got nerfed indirectly

[edgy widget]

its not actually a buff

[fossil rapids]

Mkay

[olive wraith]

Huh? Exactly. Bs didn’t get nerfed. Am is going to cast bs more

[summer quail]

and in the argument before we were talking about aoe, but i guessed you missed that part

[plucky wedge]

Less bursty?

[restive peak]

Less everything

[pseudo dawn]

they arent buffing feels like we are geting cucked again

[plucky wedge]

More dps out of cds?

[restive peak]

No lol

[plucky wedge]

Less dps during

[strong pilot]

no

[restive peak]

Nope

[strong pilot]

lol

[pseudo dawn]

why not increase bloodbath no bloodthirst?

[olive wraith]

AM is generally a flat damage profile

[strong pilot]

just read the updates chat its a good summary

[forest owl]

I bet right now would be a great time to be someone that cant read, cant read the nerfs = means no nerfs

[pliant jackal]

People are making the same mistake I made when reading patch notes skipping over the hero talents

[torn barn]

this nerf is uncalled for at this point the person in charge of tuning jsut has a vendetta against warrior

[restive peak]

Just a buff to our side options that still leave it below our good options, and our good options taking a bit of a hit

[pseudo dawn]

so warriors just going to keep geting cucked none stop i dont understand it

[restive peak]

None of us understand it

I don’t think blizzard even understands it

[pseudo dawn]

how are dks ret and enhance doing what they do ?? but we are catching more aoe nerfs?

[runic cypress]

We got cocky in the pre patch

[slim coral]

Blizzard don't even know why warrior is doing well

[strong pilot]

the cardinal sin of pumping too much in heroic week

[rancid heron]

blizzard hates warrior :(

[pliant jackal]

Any of you guys going to play AM fury?

do you guys enjoy it?

[whole latch]

[runic cypress]

Most people will probably just go FDK

[teal pine]

This is a big aoe buff

[olive wraith]

Ya

[pliant jackal]

I already started lol

[teal pine]

AM change is great for m+

[olive wraith]

I enjoy Ra playstyle more but I’m going to play whatever is better

[restive peak]

It is not great for M+, it’s very similar DPS for a loss to ST/prio

[summer quail]

anyone have that meme "mr president there's been a 4th fury nerf" ?

[tacit bone]

these devs are absolute baboons, they have no idea what there doing do they?

[forest owl]

Can you imagine how fury will be if we go into the next raid and its all st fights

[buoyant salmon]

i think you guys are drastically overreacting its kind of insane

[brittle snow]

Do we still need Whirlwind in dungeon as Mountain thane?

[restive peak]

Right now, the only thing holding us up is our great ST when in AOE spec

[brittle snow]

or is it just thunder clap?

[olive wraith]

No

[buoyant salmon]

the idea they have is a good idea, they just missed the mark on tuning a little bit

[olive wraith]

TC replaces ww

[rancid heron]

why arent they hard buffing mountain thane to keep up with slayer

[buoyant salmon]

submit feedback in real places stop spamming a bunch of horseshit in this discord

[restive peak]

There’s a point where it truly isn’t acceptable Choco, this is ridiculous. We usually agree just fine, but it’s time to drop the devils advocate it’s ok thing

[keen forum]

bc they dont want to make prot any better

[teal pine]

If AM is within 1% of RA now while getting the m+ benefits AM provides, its great for m+

[strong pilot]

too much devil's advocate bs

[summer quail]

thank you

[olive wraith]

I think the real question is which avatar capstone is better for AM

If OF is poopy

[restive peak]

AM doesn’t provide an M+ benefit, it provides more consistent damage on a smoother profile

There are several classes that do that better than us

[fringe vale]

remeber when the whole point of hero talents was so there is a huge variation in gameplay and that every single one was set to be kinda equal? LOL BIG LIE

[summer crater]

Almost none of our damage is bloodthirst

[restive peak]

Our niche currently is omega burst every 1.5m, and good boss damage

Now you will have the same as other classes for damage profile, with lower ST, and less usefulness to your group, and a higher risk of death

[teal pine]

You still have the huge aoe burst you just now get another smaller burst in between

[slim coral]

ALSO

where is the moutain thane tuning

are we just gonna ignore that hero tree or what

[restive peak]

No you don’t have the huge burst without RA and with the target cap

[buoyant salmon]

i think they fucked up with the numbers for sure, pretty egregiously ill add, but what they are trying to do is a fine idea

[restive peak]

That’s the part you’re not considering

[buoyant salmon]

not really

[keen kindle]

Yes because it's good om prot

[buoyant salmon]

youll have hills instead of mountains

[pure sedge]

Oh wow glad their idea was fine

[summer crater]

Yeah because they're really listening to it

[fossil rapids]

several people said, i got it lol

[dire badge]

not like patch is months away and they are clearly iterating

[buoyant salmon]

common maid W god bless

[summer crater]

As if the wow forums aren't completely full of threads

[meager void]

its fair to say that the "its unacceptably bad" opinion is not overwhelmingly shared between warriors. And it skews more and more to a sorta "wait and see" attitude as class knowledge deepens.
Which doesnt mean either is necesarily right. Its just that its a toss atm.

[restive peak]

The buff part is fine, the wanting AM to have relevance is fine, but the wording makes it clear they feel RA is strong enough

[dire badge]

I mean holy fuck kill me something -3%

[buoyant salmon]

demolish is arguably better some ways over prot and caught a buff

[dire badge]

I had a fury in my key type 11111/&111111/1&&1111

Sick rotation

[restive peak]

And we know RA is not strong enough

[mossy fox]

gotta do our best to give feedback

[buoyant salmon]

i agree but leave feedback in relevant places

[mossy fox]

ya

[buoyant salmon]

complaining in this discord for hours everyday doesnt accomplish anything at all

[keen kindle]

Are they gonna listen?

[restive peak]

Saying they messed up numbers and missed the mark is true, but also a massive understatement. This is ridiculous and egregious, and discussing it here is what will get people to give PROPER feedback

[dire badge]

discord chatters feedbacking

[pliant jackal]

Y'all better not do the same shit that commander players did lol

[dire badge]

need to update chatting to feedbacking

[tropic gorge]

well see the rogues and the mages they get things by doing that no? lmfao

[restive peak]

Because if all your feedback is uninformed “YU SUK BLIZZ”, nothing changes

[keen kindle]

Or are we gonna just keep getting nerfed both specs like we're fucking df s2 shadow priest

[rancid heron]

i mean honestly if they reverted these nerfs and the 3% to everything nerf and just only left the bladestorm and odyns nerf wouldnt warrior be fine?

[summer crater]

How many nerfs have we had now of people saying "we're still amazingly strong"

[slim coral]

The thing is fury's dps profile is so skewed idk what to even give for feedback

[restive peak]

So discussing it here so everyone truly understands and can then make an INFORMED complaint is important

[slim coral]

besides buff our ST

[mossy fox]

RA being within 1% of AM just aint it

[restive peak]

^

[young swan]

rework angle

[slim coral]

ah yes

[strong pilot]

Critcake W

[dire badge]

shoulda reworked fury out of slands

[keen kindle]

Both specs need a rework that we aren't getting

[runic cypress]

I have yet to get a single reply email after my many many emails with various gamer words in it

[pseudo dawn]

buffing crushing blow and bloodbath then we talking

[slim coral]

Surely this patch will be our time for a rework

[young swan]

yep

[keen kindle]

But no let's nerf it to the fucking ground instead

[tropic gorge]

KEK

[fickle bluff]

wdym basing it off of sl season 3 was the best idea blizz couldve had

[edgy widget]

idk that they need a rework per se

[pseudo dawn]

i dont understand how we are catching another fucking nerf

[mossy fox]

i don't think i want a rework for fury tbh

[edgy widget]

Arms needs some talent balancing

[dire badge]

all hail season 3 fury season 2 arms

[edgy widget]

Fury is actually fantastic to play, I wouldn't want to change much

[slim coral]

Arms needs god

[tropic gorge]

give us more utility or the most damage in the game

[edgy widget]

WoW doesn't work that way

[dire badge]

[mossy fox]

it plays really well already, but knobs just need to be turned (imo)

[edgy widget]

sorry, but that's just how it is

[keen forum]

i want it to change such that we can tuned without ppl crying OP while also not being dogshit

[midnight jackal]

just move some of the dps into ST + WW, less into cds

[edgy widget]

people always cry about any tuning, positive or negative, I don't focus on that

[astral root]

Yea fury doesnt need a rework

[midnight jackal]

same gameplay, different profile

[lone zinc]

fury is nice rn, i fk with it. wish we had bit more ST but w.e

[solemn widget]

fury needs a flat 20 percent damage buff to correct all this tuning amen?

[astral root]

i do think MT needs to be looked at for Fury

[forest owl]

knobs need turned..or certain knobs need fired

[slim coral]

moutain thane needs love but idk what to change

[astral root]

Or, honestly, Fury needs Colussus and Arms needs MT, or something

[edgy widget]

some nerfs are warranted - the AoE nerf is warranted, no matter how annoying it is or how much it may hurt performance in other areas

The trick is making necessary changes while also doing something else to address other problem areas

[runic cypress]

I just want arms to be fun and not use sks so I can just enjoy my mortal strikes and executes

[pine echo]

You got to much rage and your enrage is not a challenge for you. So it’s kinda boring.

[keen kindle]

Because people have the Luke warm take of balance being stupid is a pve games

[keen forum]

fury ST can't be strong without sustained cleave being strong, can't have both and have good burst. we need our niche to be reimagined or killed so that the spec can live

[edgy widget]

I mean yes, but also because people get way too invested in "their" thing

and any nerf, no matter how practical or small is seen as an insult
and contrarily, any buff to a competing class is seen as an overindulgance, along with a healthy mix of "where's mine?" jealousy

[humble plover]

hard agree im having a lot of fun with the current style

[keen kindle]

Yep. People hate balancing even when it's needed

[crude ridge]

This AoE nerf hurts so much in M+ idk how any more is warranted

[tropic gorge]

but isnt that logical?

[keen kindle]

Not really

[pliant jackal]

You know what guys fuck it bring back Corruption and lets just rng this shit.

[summer crater]

It wasn't needed

[edgy widget]

its understandable, but that's wasn't the point - the point is people will always cry about buffs and nerfs, whether deserved or not, and so that's not something I care about

[restive peak]

No because it's emotion based, and sometimes buff/nerfs are 100% fair and justified

[floral cipher]

Fury still feels pretty decent in m+

[keen forum]

doesn't make it wrong either though, at least not all the time

[summer crater]

It's insulting exactly because it's based on bloating and people complaining about big numbers on two bosses

[buoyant salmon]

best aoe stun in the game

not enough

unforutante

[slim coral]

shockwave do be pumping

wish we had access to the triple stormbolts

[buoyant salmon]

"give us shockwave without losing damage" they said

[willow cradle]

25 second cd massive aoe stun not good enough clearly lmao

[restive peak]

I will say 1. utility is never the factor for M+ meta and 2. we have a lot of tools now, we have shockwave, we have fear, we have SB, we have rally

[edgy widget]

those numbers are bloated and they are egregious - the nerf is warranted

• the nerf without any other tuning to account for its impact in other areas is the real problem

[tropic gorge]

I mean I totally get it we deserve some nerfs but when you get 5 nerfs in a row and look at other classes performing like warrior or better I think its normal that you think whats wrong

[slim coral]

but I'll have to wait until thane is meta

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[whole latch]

we should just change our class colour to blue and we could have 2 top specs with all the dmg and utility in the world and we'd still have blizzard listening to our feedback.

[restive peak]

Yes, we all agree this is too far

[summer quail]

the first nerf we got was 100% justified

no doubt about it

[edgy widget]

Hey I told yall to stop bitching about shockwave in DF, and now look what you've done

[restive peak]

But Archis point is ANY nerf causes this reaction

[edgy widget]

you literally can't not take Shockwave now lol

[restive peak]

The 1st nerfs were fair

OF+BS

[summer crater]

Why are the egregious?

[slim coral]

I don't get the complaint shockwave is fire

[runic cypress]

The overall problem is that it doesn't really seem to matter much if a class underperforms heavily, most people will just reroll to something better and forget about it. I just want my main class I played since wrath to be decent enough and not feel like garbage on the meters

[mossy fox]

shockwave has been so nice to have

[wanton saddle]

Shockwave is badass

[pliant jackal]

I mean this warrior discord is probably one of the most active class discord.

[edgy widget]

because Fury can instantly pump out 10x the damage anyone else can on those adds and it makes up a hugely disproportionate amount of damage

[mossy fox]

i feel like we have a great kit for stops now

[summer crater]

On mobs in heroic that don't matter that much to start with as soon as people start getting any gear

Or normal

[tropic gorge]

we fucking love shockwave

[restive peak]

Yeah I've really enjoyed our stop availability, I enjoy our current profile, I am not impressed with the upcoming nerfs

[slim coral]

shockwave is basically like a 20 second cd with rumbling earth

its sick

[tropic gorge]

i really feel like a rogue this season

[restive peak]

Well we perform the same on those fights on mythic

[tropic gorge]

with shockwave fears stun st

[edgy widget]

happens on mythic too, but that's not the point - there's a whole range of numbers between 0, 5, and 10

[restive peak]

Our burst AOE IS too strong

[summer crater]

So why are we at spot 21 in mythic?

[edgy widget]

because WCL decided to stop counting Rasha adds lol

[restive peak]

We are building routes around huge pulls every 1.5mins

[young swan]

rashanan adds removed

[summer quail]

fury does all its damage faster than any other class. very strong in certain fights, however you can make the argument that ret or fdk does more burst but a couple of seconds slower

[restive peak]

And then we do 1-2 small pulls where I just exist

[slim coral]

very cringe btw

[restive peak]

Then we explode a huge pull again

[edgy widget]

very cringe

[restive peak]

Pulls that other comps can't do

[slim coral]

like every fight has ads

why only count this one out

[summer crater]

And more than strong enough to kill the adds that need to be killed

[keen kindle]

What makes it feel worse is blizz had balance down pretty good in certain places

[keen forum]

if i was a fury war in wcl devs guild i'd go full ST and let the adds gobble up the raid

[mossy fox]

need to remove adds from WCL on broodtwister and ansurek before too many fury warrs kill those two

[crude ridge]

more like FDKs

[restive peak]

That argument was had, WCL told us basically get fucked, so that's unfortunately just a dead point now

[summer quail]

infact just remove adds from bosses in general. only single target bosses from now!

[tardy lark]

every fight is actually st

[glad coyote]

wtf iw WCL?

[whole latch]

need to remove overall in m+ too and only count boss dmg

[mossy fox]

nah fury definitely owns fdk on ansurek on overall damage

[wanton saddle]

Warcraft Logs

[hard swallow]

Warcraft Logs

[keen kindle]

WCLs is about to just remove all add damage going forward

[edgy widget]

this is M btw - anyone who thinks this isn't egregious is completely out of touch with what the word "balance" means

And it doesn't mean Fury needs to be bad at adds either; that bar can be reduced without cutting it in half or dropping it down to 12th place

[glad coyote]

ok we just shorten every word now

[noble pulsar]

why have a seperate ranking for boss dmg and then make the normal ranking only count boss dmg is dumb af

[mossy fox]

the burst damage potential on ansurek is just so useful there

[sinful spoke]

@edgy widget i have a question with the overwhelming strikes nerfs how is it not just a 2% nerf across the board along with the other nerfs i know theres other math i just wanna know how it works

[astral stag]

Love this Discord

[keen kindle]

It's just gonna be pure st now

[summer crater]

So doing good on two or three bosses is bad but a class that does the highest boss damage on every single fight isn't an issue

[frozen tartan]

But isn't the "Furys burst AoE is too strong" just a Raid Design issue, rather than a balancing issue? Do we just pay the prize now, because the Raid was designed like that?

[covert void]

hey guys, my eyes maybe playing tricks with me but, no DK patch notes?

[tardy lark]

this is me being allowed to fully pad while other warrior is doing ST
Its dæsgåsting

[keen kindle]

God forbid people make acronyms to make typingb3asie4

[tropic gorge]

but that is fury being super strong or just that the fight is made for fury to have cd's on every add pack?

[whole latch]

@summer crater depends on the colour of the class doing the boss dmg

[pliant jackal]

What about the warrior at the bottom Archimtiros 🙃

[keen forum]

man is taht what my logs would've looked like if there was only 1 fury warr in my guild

[mossy fox]

it'll be a permanent problem for future raid boss design if not addressed

[restive peak]

That's 6 up, half a dozen down, it doesn't matter

[glad coyote]

we get nerf because our CD's time great with adds?

lol

[edgy widget]

yes, but again - you can reduce that number without eliminating it entirely - I really don't understand how that's a hard concept to grasp

[restive peak]

Our burst AOE is ridiculous, nerfs to it are COMPLETELY justified

[mossy fox]

so i 100% support fury's burst being nerfed and compensated with more consistent damage instead

[restive peak]

The issue is that we get zero compensation

[edgy widget]

you don't have to do 3x everyone else's damage, you can do 1.5x or 2x, or any other number in between

[crude ridge]

How? When I look at logs it's all UH DK and frost DK

[slim coral]

I mean whatever dev decided to buff OF by 250% in beta was smoking that good shit that day

[edgy widget]

reduce does not mean remove

it's not rocket surgery

[frozen tartan]

But why just now? Didn't we always pump in Burst AoE?

[restive peak]

Like I just said, we are literally routing in a way where we pull 2-3 pulls in M+ every 1.5m, 4 when it's lust+1.5m, and that's bad design

[buoyant salmon]

what logs?

[keen forum]

i would be happy if it was just not all damage go down every patch note

[buoyant salmon]

heroic?

[mossy fox]

not until tww

[crude ridge]

Mythic

[restive peak]

We have historically had a very, VERY smooth damage line

[slim coral]

We started pumping in AOe the day after they buffed OF by a shit ton

[mossy fox]

they just didn't know how problematic our burst might be in raid when this many bosses have small adds

[summer crater]

Like BM hunter boss damage

[restive peak]

Our CDs kinda sucked, but we did great consistent dmg

[mossy fox]

don't forget slayer BS on top of that, it's so much burst

[tropic gorge]

with the addition of odyns fury we got bursty but we got really a burst in aoe in tww

[edgy widget]

Because you don't always have fully stacked Overwhelmed, particularly on the pull
and also because while Reckless Abandon builds don't use BT/RB as much as BB/CB, they do still use them, so the loss is compensated

[sinful spoke]

we had burst during df s3 but not as much as tww

[slim coral]

oh yeah we got bladestorm too

[brittle snow]

Could i use BS for mountain thane instead of ravager?

[slim coral]

I forget sometimes we didnt always have that

[brittle snow]

Not too keen on using Ravager

not really my thing

[edgy widget]

BM is inflated by PI (which is an entirely separate problem), but BM also isn't outright doubling or tripling other performers either

[spiral ridge]

yk what.. it would be so sick if thane avatar proc also procced titans torment

[summer crater]

Weren't you getting PI on that pull?

[edgy widget]

no?

PI does next to nothing to Fury lol

[tulip swallow]

They can make challenging add fights without resorting to spawning 20 targets every 45 seconds

[frozen tartan]

Okay I see... Thanks guys.

[heavy dock]

how come

[runic cypress]

I told my priests to stop giving me PI but I still get it a lot

[summer crater]

Why are you twice as high as the other fury warrior?

[edgy widget]

We already have a ton of haste

[mossy fox]

they can do that or they can just adjust our problematic damage profile

[heavy dock]

isnt pi flat haste

[edgy widget]

I'm better at sniping adds than he is

[sinful spoke]

i see thanks

[mossy fox]

instead of designing stuff around us being the only spec that can do this much aoe burst

[summer crater]

So yeah, better at bloating

[tropic gorge]

btw i get what you're saying but isn't this some similar case?

[forest owl]

Archimtiros - Skilled sniper.

[edgy widget]

Sure? I don't really know what your point is

[slim coral]

fury just requires no set up

[edgy widget]

FDK's multitarget sustain is a problem, I don't think anyone here argued otherwise

[summer crater]

That it doesn't make or break a fight, it just feels nice

[tulip swallow]

if the adds live for like 6 more seconds it evens out

[buoyant salmon]

frost and unholy are unbelievably good on ovinax as well

[slim coral]

Frost dk does about the same

[mossy fox]

ovinax has more consistent/frequent aoe, so fdk thrives there

[prisma rose]

Hmmm no

[slim coral]

what do you mean no?

[mossy fox]

actually 45s cds are absolutely perfect on ovinax, and fdk has 45s damage windows 🙂

[prisma rose]

No means no

Nah

[edgy widget]

Sure, but it would still feel nice while being ~10% lower, while leaving Fury out front and with a comfortable lead

again that whole reduce does not mean remove thing that you seem to have trouble understanding

[prisma rose]

Nop

[tulip swallow]

Like clearly they want to change the damage profile but it's not really a flattening it's just hard nerfs

[slim coral]

They do about the same damage as fury on ovinax

[buoyant salmon]

so does unholy

[mossy fox]

ya

[buoyant salmon]

unholy is 45/90 second windows just like fury

[tropic gorge]

but i feel their 45s damage windows are better

[mossy fox]

well yeah

[young swan]

because fdk burst isnt limited to 10s

[edgy widget]

^

[summer crater]

The problem with justifying their changes is we know they're not going to compensate the boss damage

[edgy widget]

Frost sustains higher

[summer crater]

We can wish all we want

[restive peak]

I mean when FDK gets nuked, UHDK is gonna become a massive banger btw

[slim coral]

UDK already is

[mossy fox]

yeah fdk is taking all the attention away from udk

[edgy widget]

Yes, that is the problem, which is what I said from the onset - thank you for finally coming around to my point

[restive peak]

Oh I know, but it's under the radar

[slim coral]

last time I looked it had the highest timed key

[tulip swallow]

There are any number of specs that blast aoe while also blasting boss

[buoyant salmon]

ppl are padding on unholy though

[restive peak]

I mean everyone will swap to it and just continue chuggin along

[buoyant salmon]

dropping apoc for more aoe is almost always grief to do

[covert void]

When are they getting nuked? out of curiosity.

[prisma rose]

Wdym they buffed rb and bt

[restive peak]

FDK is only popular because it's the path of least resistance

[edgy widget]

and I don't think anyone is under the impression that DKs aren't op in multitarget/M+ type settings atm
excepting maybe DKs

[slim coral]

[prisma rose]

[summer crater]

We don't do BT and RB damage

That's almost none of our damage

[restive peak]

The 11.0.5 is future tuning, there will be post raid tuning likely this upcoming tuesday

[prisma rose]

Exactly

[tardy axle]

So what are we re rolling too today boyz

[prisma rose]

[quasi river]

The ptr patch notes talk about buffing our ST as a positive thing so I wouldn't be so sure.

[sinful spoke]

enhance

[runic cypress]

That's why Critcake is no more it's all just Gripcake

[covert void]

I see every week nerf after nerf for warrior. They seem to be able to spend so much time micromanaging us to L's

[edgy widget]

it's about 8% of your damage in ST - it's not a lot but it's not negligible
that buff is why the slayer nerfs aren't a net nerf for Fury and end up more neutral

[slim coral]

The thing about fury is I don't want to go back to rampage being our only damage

[tropic gorge]

then i dont want to sound like a crybaby but why we are on the focus of blizzard's balance team if there are classes with the same problem as us?

[restive peak]

Lincmagician is a gamer already

[slim coral]

I like having actual cds as fury now

[tulip swallow]

with tuning like this you can spin the wheel and come out ahead with pretty much anything else in m+

[edgy widget]

because we looked strong on Heroic Week 1 before everyone else got tier and gear inflation

[tropic gorge]

lmao u right

[strong pilot]

The biggest sin

[edgy widget]

and Blizz is playing catch up 4 weeks behind, as usual

[buoyant salmon]

frost arcane and enhance all got nerfs as well

[quiet geyser]

This is where the difference between warrior and other classes are. Literally every time a mage or warlock gets nerfed, they get something buffed to compensate. Atleast for the laat 3 expansions, every time warrior gets a nerf, its just a straight nerf and nothing to compensate for its lacking areas. Its very annoying

[slim coral]

don't do this help your raid!!!

[edgy widget]

and blizz kneejerk tuning always looks like this

[slim coral]

be ethical for prog

[mossy fox]

lmao

[quasi river]

Also we kill everything in a +4 before the DKs can get their damage going and Blizz doesn't like that

[warm crag]

i will play this! this seems to be a popular build on Mythic Rashanan

[gilded pawn]

Has warrior even gotten nerfed since shadowlands

[tardy axle]

Literally outlaw s1 DF had same problem, never recovered

[covert void]

So we might actually get some decent buffs in like 3/4 weeks when they realise we're not actually that good? cool

[edgy widget]

they either nerf things by a ridiculously ineffective amount (Arcane) or they kneejerk nerf it into oblivion
every single time

[warm crag]

Gajeel played this!

[gilded pawn]

Like on live

[slim coral]

[mossy fox]

thanks WCL for making rashanan harder because people want to play around parsing

[edgy widget]

I actually swapped back to full AoE last night

we were wiping because nobody was killing the adds

[pine echo]

Fury was absolutely the worst at the start of shadowlands

[slim coral]

kekw

[buoyant salmon]

in my defense i killed the boss as arms on prog

[mossy fox]

i had to as well cause they weren't dying

[edgy widget]

they were straight eating tanks and dps

[tranquil zenith]

tbf that's because DK's having cleaving strikes which is design from the stone age, that's their problem

aoe tied to D&D is ridiculous

[mossy fox]

but adds on rashanan are completely irrelevant right

[prisma rose]

Bro

[edgy widget]

the WCL guy trying to argue that they're pointless and can just be cleaved passively without hurting anyone is dangerously out of touch lol

[prisma rose]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2898

[slim coral]

Fury is the only class good enough to kill adds confirmed

[prisma rose]

[whole latch]

who is the regard from WCL that made the call to remove them btw?

[covert void]

not allowed, take that blasphemous speak elsewhere

[strong pilot]

WCL

[slim coral]

most ads can in almost all the fights

by that logic

[restive peak]

and then the wipes tripled week 2 from all the parselords LOL

[runic cypress]

Some Spriest main

[restive peak]

Probably a warlock main tbh

[whole latch]

@runic cypress figures

[tulip swallow]

I have 0 doubt in my mind that most melee specs could handle those adds if they saved cooldowns for them

[tropic gorge]

i can guarantee you that

[young swan]

only spec that comes close is frost

[summer crater]

Or put a few points in a cleave spec

[tropic gorge]

cuz when i die on a try the paladins and rogues take care of em

[vale haven]

Again Nerf fury? For real?

[young swan]

not quite a nerf

just needless change

[strong pilot]

Arms hit by a stray is funny

[runic cypress]

have problem with ansurek webs P1
Tell RL I can probably take care of webs on my own as fury
Get told no and get told to get webed away from the boss because I can get out by myself

[summer knoll]

Well since you deal less damage after this needless change it’s a nerf

[pliant jackal]

bring us back

[young swan]

we dont

[whole latch]

@runic cypress change guild

[young swan]

at least from preliminary stuff ive seen/heard

[covert void]

it's minor, but it's literally a dps loss from what we currently play?

[young swan]

basically just 0 change

[runic cypress]

Honestly I just might and find a guild where I can just tank

[covert void]

again, another sign they dont have a f'in clue.

what theyre doing

[runic cypress]

I'm not strong enough to endure this rollercoaster of emotions of nerfs

[tropic gorge]

is your RL legaly blind?

[summer crater]

Hey, AM was at least buffed so it's almost as good as RA now

[young swan]

i mean i get the sentiment behind wanting RA and AM to be in a more neutral state, but AM already had a niche

[compact knot]

waiting for when we go into next patch and all the bosses are consistent aoe bosses or st bosses with no burst cleave so we are 20% lower than aug instead of 5%

[runic cypress]

Don't think so

[covert void]

Nice, I can get into keys just as much no matter which talent I pick, wooo.

[summer knoll]

#updates-midnight message 0.2% nerf is 0.2% nerf

[runic cypress]

But also I was just too depressed to say anything so I just medicored my way trough the raid

[young swan]

thats just plugging in AM into the current talent build with 0 optimization as far as I know

[summer crater]

The 0.2% is the regular spec

[young swan]

its just to get numbers out for people who are rabid (you)

[compact knot]

surely the 0.2% is the regular spec

[covert void]

Rabid? what do you mean. They've literally nerfed the spec we're playing atm. A spec we all categorically agree needs a buff in some way (st)

[vale haven]

but for what reason? they killed the Fury, this is just a way to rage maybe?

[nimble ermine]

i promise you, a 0.2% is basically a nothingburger

[acoustic yoke]

Where were you when warrior was kill?

[summer knoll]

I don’t really care I just play whatever my raid needs, this season it’s warrior

[covert void]

It is, but the problem is we're not in a good place as it stands, so we've gone from been meh to meh. Woah.

[tulip swallow]

it's still kind of wtf when the single target performance is what it is

[runic cypress]

I was at home eating smegma butter

[compact knot]

idk when you get nerfed 3 times in a row and then the 4th change is neutral it feels kinda fucking awful

[hazy torrent]

guys how can i get +90 parses i cant figure it out my dps isnt that bad but its nothing near that

[covert void]

This, it does, as it naturally would.

[young swan]

doesnt really matter, the loss is taking nothing into account except for the changes at face value. Things are gonna change

[summer crater]

Press your buttons faster

[young swan]

its just to push out numbers to placate people

[acoustic yoke]

Warrior is die

[runic cypress]

No

[nimble ermine]

one day mountain thane will thrive

surely

[tulip swallow]

yeah you right, prot looking good right now

[summer crater]

Well, it's a sign Blizzard is taking it in a very bad direction

[tulip swallow]

[summer crater]

Continually

[runic cypress]

It's thriving alright #protection

[young swan]

i mean yeah no ones arguing that

[torn barn]

whot f wants to press thunder clap besides prot

[nimble ermine]

me

[covert void]

This is the problem.

[young swan]

its a dumbass change

[compact knot]

i also cant imagine it being a dps increase since the RB and BB buffs dont apply to RA, ig they apply to the unbuffed versions though

[hazy torrent]

whats most easiest classes to parse tanks or dps ?

[covert void]

Week after week we're heading in the wrong direction it seems.

[nimble ermine]

it just replaces ur ww so

[tulip swallow]

we just need one guy on the balance team to play defense for us

[summer crater]

It's almost like it's made to make it look like we're buffed ST for people who don't really look into it

[runic cypress]

Post your logs in logs review and people will tell you what you suck at

[covert void]

Why the f aren't FDK getting kneejerk nerfs btw? we got slapped within a week.

[hazy torrent]

thank you

[tulip swallow]

They're built different

[thick fossil]

Yeah, just right off the hop of reading it, it felt like a bit of a nothing burger. Just such a weird choice of changes. Still doesn't solve the problem that we'll face going forward. We will be overshadowed by so many classes.
My hope is that it stays on the PTR, that they realize how bad this all will be. Thoughts?

[warm crag]

fury is getting buffed on ptr

[tulip swallow]

Other classes get to be overtuned for entire seasons, this is nothing new

[odd star]

happy to have changed mains. uh dk is the way

[clever belfry]

not on 8 targets !!!!!

[compact knot]

FDK paid their toll for being overshadowed by UHDK for the entire expansion

[warm crag]

i only fight 2 at most

[oblique trail]

Sir the first Fury buff has hit the PTR

[fiery storm]

?

[covert void]

We are? doesn't seem that way according to the updates.

[fiery storm]

cite sources ><

[warm crag]

#updates-midnight

[clever belfry]

sir a second buff has hit the fury warriors

[mossy fox]

maybe buff reap the storm

[covert void]

You're quoting the literal net nerf?

[mossy fox]

arms wouldn't mind a reap buff either

[feral ivy]

in mist how many doors do u have to go through in the maze?

[clever belfry]

maybe remove it

and let my class do some damage instead

[compact knot]

the net noting change 🔥

[mossy fox]

that works too

[covert void]

Fire, it's not a huge nerf, we're cooking. big W.

[summer crater]

No it doesn't

[clever belfry]

that weird squiggly line looks like a minus

[summer crater]

AM is getting 5% but it's worse already

lol

[covert void]

A talent that we dont use, has been buffed to be about the same as the one we use now.

[summer crater]

It's becoming more even with the typical spec

[warm crag]

words from someone that hasnt killed ovinax

[covert void]

thats not a buff wtf

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/bowtime-bow-time-bow-bows-hello-gif-7553742075266903097

[clever belfry]

if you havent slain the ovinussy

[oblique trail]

You played RA on Ovinax!

Poser!

[clever belfry]

your opinion doesnt matter

[warm crag]

Liar Liar Pants On Fire

[modest condor]

holy moly a 5% fury buff

[fringe vale]

debunked

[mossy fox]

actually fury got buffed by 25% and 30%, those are kinda big numbers

[warm crag]

wtf?

[idle ember]

I wish it wasn't so bad to get an alt to decent 610+ ilvl

[forest owl]

Fury be saved

[idle ember]

im done with ts

[runic cypress]

75% buff

We're so back

[warm crag]

this is crazy

[whole latch]

150% bro thats crazy

[warm crag]

chatgpt said that western society is rebuilt

[feral ivy]

is the amount of doors u go through in maze random or always the same amount? just trying to make a route

[nimble ermine]

holy shit fury top tier

[thick fossil]

problem is those buffs are to RB and BT, dev noted that it will no touch CB and BB

[mossy fox]

ya i know, just a bad joke

[thick fossil]

Ah

[zealous condor]

is it doomer time

[chrome relic]

if you think about it, it's a m+ buff massive AM being within 1% in ST means u have BS for every pack in m+

[tulip swallow]

they should have just buffed rampage

[chrome relic]

so im down

[whole latch]

i started dooming 3 nerfs ago

[chrome relic]

AM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[oblique trail]

AM 🙅

[warm crag]

okay uptime slave

[clever belfry]

uptime is bozo L cringe

frontload = good

[chrome relic]

MY ANGER IS MANGAGED CHAT

[acoustic yoke]

All this talk about Reckless Abandon, but how about we just recklessly abandon this class

[covert void]

Boys, at least we have the option now. AM or RA, we can be underpar with either. love it.

[mossy fox]

i'm an AM M+ enjoyer

[thick fossil]

Well.... at least we won't be holding Rampage anymore.

[mossy fox]

RA can stay ahead in raid

[runic cypress]

Billions must live and be happy

[warm crag]

you are the best spec in raid

[clever belfry]

not me

[whole latch]

no

[fringe vale]

you play in the morning?

[chrome relic]

ur so real for this crit me too

[acoustic yoke]

At least with AM i can pretend to be doing something by spinning

[mossy fox]

uhh no

[pliant jackal]

wtf are you guys complaining about

[whole latch]

m+ + warrior huh

[mossy fox]

i mean sometimes i stay up way too long gaming so does that count as morning

[fringe vale]

my goat didnt got the joke

[zealous condor]

ayo wait

[nimble ermine]

crit..

it was a joke..

[gaunt moat]

Bahahaha

[zealous condor]

are we playign anger management in keys now

I will coomge

[chrome relic]

YES YES YES

[pliant jackal]

Inspect element html masterrace

[mossy fox]

yes very likely with these changes

[chrome relic]

AM STOCKS UP!!!!

[zealous condor]

YESSS

WWWW

GOOD CHANGES

DOOMING OVER

[chrome relic]

DOOMING CANCELED

[mossy fox]

i thought it'd be funnier to give a serious response

[zealous condor]

NO DOOMERS

WWWWW

[gaunt moat]

I hope so i don't enjoy playing RA

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-25596191

[acoustic yoke]

Rampage arc returns

[gaunt moat]

Make rampage great again

[icy roost]

dont mind me just a RA enjoyer coming through ♿

[storm birch]

Which of you is this 😠

[gaunt moat]

Buff thane single target

[nimble ermine]

billions must rampage

[pliant jackal]

lmao who he inviting

[zealous condor]

when is 11.0.5

[hard widget]

[clever belfry]

its lore

[pliant jackal]

we bringing it back

[gaunt moat]

In one month

[zealous condor]

PRAYGE

[runic cypress]

Me

[storm birch]

How dare you

[fringe vale]

paladings and druids

[runic cypress]

How dare you complain about it

[covert void]

well yeh, he's trollin lol

[gaunt moat]

???

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-laughing-laugh-haha-gif-17500533

[gaunt moat]

That's a fake screen

[summer crater]

He's always the joker

[flat river]

i see fury nerf, doomge.
i see AM buff instead, no more doomge only coomge.

[zealous condor]

this is still good

fuck RA

[fringe vale]

fake

[nimble ermine]

fury gains 5% bro

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-trump-dance-trump-dancing-party-time-oh-yeah-gif-5344070769048991943

[covert void]

Wait, are we still getting the cap nerf? so the next patch is still a net nerf or

[acoustic yoke]

The only truth

It's not a nerf if you reject this reality

[flat river]

REAL

[runic cypress]

INFINITE PERCENTAGE

[chrome relic]

REAL

[runic cypress]

We're so back

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-real-brainfog-gif-7666610795160025826

[gaunt moat]

We're getting buffed we deal 100% more dmg to 5 target with the spells now

[mortal parcel]

Its not Joever

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[odd star]

big nerf.

[clever belfry]

images can not be that large

[normal mirage]

Sick nerf again AM is a dream kek

[pliant jackal]

is this a red warrior conspiracy

[chrome relic]

at least we're not arms amiright boys

[burnt stone]

Hi brothers
I saw the update news

Even if the patch is applied anyway, won't raids all be RA except Ovinax?
I think you can enjoy AM on M+.

[chilly plume]

at this point wouldnt you rather be arms

[chrome relic]

yes brother

[clever belfry]

yes

[warm crag]

Yes king fury is still busted in raid

[gaunt moat]

Yes but yes and yes

[chrome relic]

they'll have to pull the 2nd sword out of my cold dead hands

[chilly plume]

understandable.

[burnt stone]

So, as a result, we are 0.2% weaker in raids?

[gaunt moat]

Yes

[chrome relic]

yes brother

[odd star]

plus cap nerf

[covert void]

enjoy, happy anniversary.

[burnt stone]

Who gave shit to Blizz in the name of fury?

[edgy widget]

Blizz did lmao

[gaunt moat]

But we're 6th from bottom in logs! We'll maybe be last next time and we'll be the best at being last!

[odd star]

fury gon be mid af

[restive granite]

as soon as poe2 comes out im stopping playing this dogshit game

[gaunt moat]

I feel like Archim is chilling and he gave up the copium

[pliant jackal]

hes been around too long

[nimble ermine]

i mean what can you do

[acoustic yoke]

Archi is finding peace in prog I bet

[odd star]

not like archi gonna retoll

reroll*

[gaunt moat]

I dunno it's Archim he usually finds thing to give hope

[burnt stone]

I agreed that Blizz nerfed fury's strong AoE, but I thought they should compensate for our weak ST DPS. I never thought it would be like this. lol
I just wish they would at least increase the dps of auto attacks.

[gaunt moat]

But lately he's been chilling doing all his 10s

[odd star]

AA buff seems like a good buff. smart idea

[sterile dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[acoustic yoke]

All fun and games till they buff the fuck out of SMF

[pine echo]

Archim is the only warrior who can read. The rest is only doing zug zug

[gaunt moat]

Bahahahahaha

Out of all the worst ideas

[nimble ermine]

that should never happen

[gaunt moat]

You chosed the worst one

[burnt stone]

The only way to increase ST DPS without increasing fury's AoE DPS is to use the AA DPS buff lol

[rough quiver]

from vault, both will be BIS.. but do I prioritize haste mastery over 6 ilvl higher versatility mastery?

[odd star]

yep

[gaunt moat]

Reduce dmg from cleave buff st

Bam aoe didnt get buffed and st got buffed

[sour temple]

I mean our sustained cleave damage is mid af already