fury

[oblique trail]

And so should I

On reality

[sleek badge]

Why is night elf strong in m+ ?

For resets ?

[covert blaze]

you can do skips and prevent mechanics from casting

there are spells that don't finish if they are being casted on you and you meld

[oblique trail]

Yeah I think you should swap and try and meld first boss frontal in NW

It will go well

👍

[civic schooner]

because odyns fury enrages you, do you need to be enraged beforehand to get the enraged damage increase for odyn fury or can you do it from none?

[oblique trail]

The enrage effect buffs it

It does this for all abilities that enrages you, except for BT

[hard widget]

Feeling nostalgic (double outlaw kekw)

[fickle cedar]

saw a triple frost the other day

[tulip umbra]

i want to macro Recklessness + Avatar + a trinket a have with the same cooldown time + Thunderous Roar/Champions Spear for some qol and aligned all this cds together. I know that we need to use Thunderous Roar/Champions Spear while enraged, BUT ill lose that much of dps because of this?

[north edge]

am i crazy

[haughty sapphire]

don't u run odyns fury?

[north edge]

or does the affix this week

have 32 mil hp

at 10 keys

32 mil every minute??? like what

[fickle cedar]

it melts pretty fast tbh

[north edge]

spent 45 minutes wiping to ara kara first boss

coudnt kill it

on a 10

[clever belfry]

no u

[north edge]

32 mil hp does not melt fast at all, and it was keeping the adds up

[covert blaze]

💀

[north edge]

i swear its bugged

11mil on a 9

32 mil on a 10

that doesnt seem right

[fickle cedar]

i feel like its fine, did it on a 11 and the cast is super long

[rigid stirrup]

Its a hard focus adds and then hit boss type of beat

like if people aren't hard swapping then they're inting the key

that and web baiting

[fickle cedar]

yeah exactly just cleave off it

[idle ember]

Can anyone help me understand why Im bad, keep getting wrecked by monks, mages, dks around my ilvl in dps (m+ only, dont raid)

[warm crag]

could be a cd management issue or you're playing with ppl of similar skill to you on classes that have better damage patterns for m+

[sick hound]

you can't compete with those class now

[eager thorn]

Crushing blow dmg seems low too

[eager bluff]

And crushing blow being 5th can’t be right

[sick hound]

war too much nerfed

[eager thorn]

Just be better player ez

[warm crag]

how many cb and rampage casts do you have?

[dusty geyser]

is this good ? i don't see any top m+ fury using it

[lusty hedge]

What does it take to get epic parses on heroic

[eager thorn]

Doing damage

[lusty hedge]

I'm busting my ass and only parsing mid/high blue

[warm crag]

unless youre like 30 ilvls behind or have literally never seen the raid before you should be getting purple parses pretty easily

[fickle cedar]

it seems okay but writhing and umbriss are way better

[warm crag]

might wanna compare what you're doing with lorrgs or whatever

[lusty hedge]

Is wowanalyzer up to date for fury?

[warm crag]

probably not

it says when you try to import a log

[lusty hedge]

Also my trinkets are all pretty ass-tier could that be contributing or is it more rotation

[warm crag]

idk could be a million things

but if you're sitting on a competetive ilvl and not parsing purple smth is wrong

[lusty hedge]

I mean...

[dusty geyser]

the guide says that it's bis from m+ @fickle cedar

[lusty hedge]

purple means you're at some of the highest percentile of players

I don't think it means you're doing something wrong it just means you're mediocre compared to the rest of the pack

[warm crag]

yeah but the barrier of entry for heroic is literally nothing you being within the 80th percentile or harder really isnt hard

[lusty hedge]

maybe not for you

[warm crag]

do you want to be glazed or told its not your fault idk what the point is here

[fickle cedar]

if you dont have writhing then yeah I guess you use that

[meager void]

it 100% means you are doing something wrong

[slim grotto]

Rotation and cd management for encounter are likely your issue

Post logs

[lusty hedge]

whats the best fight to analyze logs on?

[ruby badge]

Also make sure you arnt in defensive stance

[meager void]

at 95% you can feel "done" ish

[lusty hedge]

yeah let me post my logs so I can get publically roasted by a bunch of sweats, no thanks

[frank dawn]

pro tip tbh, I did half a key last night in d-stance XD

[ruby badge]

You came here

[meager void]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/449510248579858432 theres even a channel for it and people are civil (you twat)

[near wing]

I have the same issue. Ilvl is 616 and can’t really parse above 70. I’ve scoured my logs and compared it to others, did analyzer tool, everything. I just can’t figure out why I suck. I know it’s me, and I think it’s related to uptime, but I don’t know how to increase it as I feel like I’m already always on the cusp of dying

[slim grotto]

Bro you’re asking for help and then calling us sweats for trying to help? Fuck off

[ruby badge]

I may know from experiance... Quick weak aura after that one.

[warm crag]

if you feel like you're making no progress by comparing to logs or lorrgs you can maybe go watch some pumper hc reclears

[fickle cedar]

work on your opener, the rotation is pretty simple after that as long as you rampage > CB > BB

[slim grotto]

How can anyone give you an answer without logs? It’s just the tool for data unless you want some generic answer like “play better”

[warm crag]

im sure critcake and other pink men in this server have vods for high parsing hc reclears

[runic violet]

I'm not sweaty sweety

[meager void]

crit's Ansurek vod is very nice

[warm crag]

mine is better !!!!!!! (i stole his p2 cds)

[near wing]

Yea I watched those too. I’m at the point of considering paying a coach lol. I parse 99+ in sod on my warlock, and just embarrass myself in retail

[warm crag]

also do not copy crits p2 cds anymore

u will not get them in time in p3

[buoyant salmon]

cdeez nuts

[runic violet]

I'm so scared to push keys... everything hurts crazy @sturdy palm4

[meager void]

you will find that live is not nearly as tower defensy as SoD

still, ranged are playing Tower Defense this season

[dreamy flume]

Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg vs Skyterror's Corrosive Organ for the anub raid?

which is better

[meager void]

whats the other trinket

[dreamy flume]

Ara kara egg

[meager void]

skyterror then

dont go 2 passives

[dreamy flume]

good call

[meager void]

Skyterror is very good on ST even with the funky 2min

[dreamy flume]

yea it slaps

[lusty hedge]

I have two on-use trinkets, it blows

[buoyant salmon]

that trinket is ass

we just have shit trinkets this patch

[lusty hedge]

always roll like shit whenever a trinket drops

[buoyant salmon]

does anvil season 4 damage lmao

[meager void]

a 636 khadros barely beats skyterror 626 on ST

(on my sims, ofc)

[buoyant salmon]

transmitter is much better than khadros so that tracks

[heavy dock]

Can someone tell me how you guys use cds on ansurek on the intermission platform adds? All burst on hatchlings?

Figured id need more dps on those to have orange there too

[buoyant salmon]

i just used it on cd

holding for possibly more pad wasnt worth it

wanted to have it up for p3 guarenteed

[modest condor]

bunch of sweats in here smh my head

[lusty jungle]

use cds on wraps, die to devour 9.9% parse

[dreamy flume]

i use cd's to hit both targets when they spawn platform 1, then wait til they drag spiders to mobs and pop what i got again, then same for platform 3

[heavy dock]

I have p1 cds fully figured

Amd p3

Just wondering on intermission

[tired brook]

you beat me by .1%

[heavy dock]

Need to have orange, purple is low for me

[tired brook]

fucker

[slim grotto]

this is why we got 3% nerf. STAHP

[heavy dock]

Kyveza log carrying xD

[runic violet]

Oh no! fury can pad! NERF!

[tired brook]

next reset i got you though, just got my 2nd myth wep im juiced up

[heavy dock]

I swear bro without a fury war the web tombs p1 in ansurek aint dying in time

[tired brook]

Idek proper timings i just press my buttons

[heavy dock]

Im running 636/626 weps :v

[tired brook]

Ya i was 636/619, got up to 636/639 after killing ulgrax yday

[heavy dock]

And 606/606 arakara and viid pact stone trinkets lol

[runic violet]

I'm about 619... still have champion gears. poor my luck

[buoyant salmon]

you just immune them on mythic

and break 1 set

[lusty hedge]

what would you consider a competetive ilvl threshold

[heavy dock]

Ok chill man aint no one doing mythic queen rn

[buoyant salmon]

dn is

[tired brook]

yuri is

[heavy dock]

No normal people

I dont have a guild nor rly any desire to play mythic this tier

Most likely pugging first boss for wep

If doable 2nd too

[earnest frigate]

which one!

[heavy dock]

Questions

Di you have4 set?

[earnest frigate]

2 set

[heavy dock]

What are your current tribkets

Did you sim?

[modest condor]

are you able to farm +7 dungeons?

[earnest frigate]

didnt yet

[olive wraith]

Did you use any catalyst

[heavy dock]

Bait, trinkets dont drop xd

[modest condor]

skill issue

[heavy dock]

True

Dogshit void pactstone man i just want an on use

Mastery trinket

[warm crag]

idk at this point 610+

[tired brook]

get this man into a gb

[warm crag]

you should be able to cap hc crests so 619+ actually

[hard widget]

Bro wtf is wrong with this affix

30 million hp

Blizzard is smoking some good shit

[heavy dock]

Im getting declined to +7 gb at 618 2.42k rio

[radiant plank]

get a monk to touch it

[heavy dock]

Nerf fury more pls

[tired brook]

W shit

[buoyant salmon]

getting worse week by week

[heavy dock]

Does it kill through shield?

[thick fossil]

GB is a joke now.

[buoyant salmon]

smoge

[radiant plank]

idk hread so

[sullen dove]

[runic violet]

Is GB +10 joke too?

[thick fossil]

With all the nerfs it got, yeah.

[heavy dock]

Are we running wrecking throw now guys for affix?

[runic violet]

I'm traumatized from my last +10 GB run...

and Im holding +10 GB right now.

[heavy dock]

I can come help

Xd

[hard widget]

Yeah but actually. We had same dmg to a fucking affix as the last boss in mists 11

Its crazy

[thick fossil]

If it was before the nerf I can see that. Now, a lot of scary mobs tickle tank and volancix guys die extremely fast.

[tulip karma]

Question is sureki zealot neck still bis for fury?

[buoyant salmon]

the cooldown is also beans

[heavy dock]

Volancix

[buoyant salmon]

doesnt work on trinkets

gg

[heavy dock]

Is cd retroactive?

[buoyant salmon]

sikran neck bis for everyone

besides maybe a couple specs that fucking hate haste

[runic violet]

Can't find a sikran grp.... i guess it's that easy

[hard widget]

Nice way to desync your cd's from your trinkets 😄

[heavy dock]

Join fresh

[runic violet]

I don't feel like running the whole thing lol

[thick fossil]

On phone, sorry for typo. I'm talking about the transformation guys. The shaman that pulse aoe after 50% transformation.

[heavy dock]

Yeye i know it was just funny xd

[north edge]

they hotfixed the affix mob to have 3x more hp

[heavy dock]

They nerfed their hp or what?

[north edge]

comapred to 2 hours ago

[heavy dock]

Why..

[buoyant salmon]

real?

[north edge]

it now has 29mil hp on a +9

every minute

[tired brook]

wtf

[quick zodiac]

Can someone help me understand the new affix

[buoyant salmon]

it was already obnoxious before

[quick zodiac]

like I have no clue

[heavy dock]

Funny ty blizzard

[north edge]

32 mil on a +10

[quick zodiac]

that shit just does not fking die

[nocturne dragon]

I read 1 person in trade chat yesterday saying sikran neckis not bis for fury XD he sounds so confident not sure if he is trolling or not but mostlikely clueless.

[tulip karma]

oh ty i was just confused bcus its not in the guide anymore

[quick zodiac]

it has crazy hp

[north edge]

we coudnt time a +9 mist

[thick fossil]

Wot? That doesn't make sense.

[north edge]

and was doing +10s ealrier 2 chests

coudnt even get past a +9 mist first boss just then

[runic violet]

I just ran +9 dawn... the affix mob feels like it has way more HP than earlier

[quick zodiac]

is it actually a thing or? cuz my fking mists I did was fking insane

that shit could not fking die

[thick fossil]

So their has to be a cheese fix. Purge or dispel the shield maybe?

[tired brook]

nuh uh

[runic violet]

u are giving another reason not to bring a warrior

[quick zodiac]

I mean our dmg in a non timed mists was 285mil hunter me 257mil and druid 210mil on emissary

it was legit almost our top dmg

that entire fking dung

there is noway that is how it is suposed to work lol

[thick fossil]

The fact that it has very high defensive passive is bad enough. 3x hp on the bubble.... weird.

[olive wraith]

We taking throw?

[vestal root]

i didnt do m+ yet but buddies say this affix is very tedious

[runic violet]

throw doesn't do that much dmg... I don't think

[quick zodiac]

It is completely fucked

[thick fossil]

It's not worth taking because there is no way to make sure it hits.

[olive wraith]

It does to shields

[heavy dock]

It does about 1 mil

[quick zodiac]

I think people saying "it is" fine has not met this mad hp on it

[vestal root]

is it similar to that one in bfa with nzoth invader or dreadlord?

[heavy dock]

~800k

[north edge]

my +9 dawnbreaker 4 hours ago

[runic violet]

throw hits 800k?

[north edge]

total damage to emissary by whole team was 2.2bil

[heavy dock]

I use throw on silken court

And it averages that much

[olive wraith]

Wrecking throw hits hard on shield

[north edge]

we wiped 4 times to mist first boss just hten

total damage to emissiary by team is 2.8 bil

[runic violet]

2.2 fucking billion?

[north edge]

err 280mil sorry

wrong decimal

[quick zodiac]

Yep

my team did 880mil total

in my mists run

this cant be a thing

like frfr

[vestal root]

bugged in that specific dungeon?

[cyan scaffold]

Okay so affix is actually a thing

[quick zodiac]

idk but 880 mil

[north edge]

no, we bricked a 10 arakara

[runic violet]

This is from +9 Dawn less than an hour ago.

[quick zodiac]

is fking crazy

[north edge]

then tried a +9 mist

[cyan scaffold]

what are we dropping for wrecking throw if that's what we want

[north edge]

and bricked that too

[olive wraith]

Has anyone tested shattering

[north edge]

we were doing +10s with 2 chest earlier today

[olive wraith]

I think this is the bigger issue tbh

[heavy dock]

wrecking throw in my silken court fight

[runic violet]

that's weak

[quick zodiac]

How much did u do to emi back then?

[cyan scaffold]

yeah super weak

nvm then

if it just doesn't deal enough damage then fuck it

[heavy dock]

i mean its just 1 mil

for free

[cyan scaffold]

it ain't free to get to that node lol

and I could just execute

for almost that

idk

[olive wraith]

Ex doesn’t do 1m

[cyan scaffold]

doesn't seem like the magic bandaid I want it to be

[runic violet]

a propped up CB can hit more than a million

easily

[heavy dock]

just drop 1 in overwhelming rage

[olive wraith]

But that’s damage that doesn’t go into mobs/boss

Wrecking throw is 1 gcd with no setup you can toss into affix

[thick fossil]

So they added a piece meal boss as a hotfix. Lol damn.

[runic violet]

Yea that's oddly high HP

[quick zodiac]

nevermind

did the math

we did 1bil

[heavy dock]

thing is u need to take honed reflexes too

[quick zodiac]

on emi in my mists

[runic violet]

on +9?

timed?

[quick zodiac]

10

like 5 mins over

it took fking ages

killing the emi

[runic violet]

yea the emi has too much hp

[gaunt moat]

For ppl who didn't realize and for ppl who'll share it later it's not rly worth it to take wrecking throw since they literally FORGOT to add it to the aura buff we got during beta so the spell is a rly minor dmg upgrade for a lot of QoL loss

[narrow narwhal]

Guess I won't be doing dungeons until they fix it

[heavy dock]

shattering throw should 1 shot emi, blizz pls

now everyone wants a warrior

[runic violet]

Agreed

[heavy dock]

;d

[runic violet]

Make Warrior Great Again

I mean.. prot is great i guess and padding raid boss fights.

[gaunt moat]

It's over my friend who rerolled paladin got his weapon he bursts 24/7 now...

[frank dawn]

ptr notes this week will surely save us

100%

[runic violet]

I haven't even opened vault on my ret yet lol

[frank dawn]

no cope

[gaunt moat]

Ret is way too strong atm with fdk in m+ i swear

[olive wraith]

Hotfix for shattering throw to insta kill

[slim grotto]

can we not shattering throw the affix?

[olive wraith]

I’m not sure if anyone has tried

[runic violet]

my warrior takes priority over anything... but I'm so tempted to play ret... it's so easy.

[gaunt moat]

I rly hope they buff mountain thane st i've been wanting to play it since beta but gimping my st for it is what's holding me back

[runic violet]

what PTR note

[brazen estuary]

why did they nerf fury initally while ret is fucking insane? can anyone tell me this?

[vestal root]

stop with this wack ret fdk jealousy damn

if you only play for numbers dont play a damn warrior even lmao

go mage

[brazen estuary]

mage sucks bro

[runic violet]

because in raid, fury vaprizes lil adds..... awww

[vestal root]

if you enjoy warrior gameplay you play warrior, ez

[vestal root]

[runic violet]

Mage is always good

or great

in the entire wow history

[vestal root]

mage is god class since forever for all content

[runic violet]

happy 20 year anniversary fuck u mage

[vestal root]

blizzards baby

20 years of being #1

warlock up there too

[brazen estuary]

show on this paper where mage touch u bro

[runic violet]

If you are into PVP, you hate them even more

[vestal root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/357465816964530177/1197167910058201160/speechmemified_image.webp_1.gif

[runic violet]

Good god...

[buoyant salmon]

fury was unbelievably good

[brazen estuary]

ret is cracked tf out tho? they are do great aoe and st dmg

[vestal root]

ret great ST?

[brazen estuary]

atleast in m+

[ashen socket]

idk about ret st being good

but they deffo are good

[brazen estuary]

a ret above 600ivl does good ST dmg

[ashen socket]

30 sec cds always feel good in m+

[vestal root]

ret ST is mid af, at best its passable and it relies on procs

but for m+ pack to pack its great yeh

[narrow narwhal]

Ret loses a lot of single target damage in their M+ build

[buoyant salmon]

ret is great youre not wrong

[quick zodiac]

Does any 1 know how much hp or shield that emissary has?

trying to google aint going to hot lol

[vestal root]

oh yeah and as soon as herald of the sun gets a bit nerfed and dawnlight deals less damage its back into the bin for the spec

[eternal sundial]

bad rets do no damage but that applies to all classes

[runic violet]

a fuck ton

[quick zodiac]

Well what I mean is what is the normal hp and not the bugged fucked version lol

[buoyant salmon]

its impressive to be bad at ret though

[gaunt moat]

in +10 it was around 12 millions i think

[runic violet]

dpsing ret is easy... good at using party assist utilities isn't.

[inner harbor]

someone told me 40mil

[quick zodiac]

How much dmg did u guys do to it overall?

[runic violet]

when I play ret, I feel like brain dead

[gaunt moat]

i'll go back in game to check if it's still in the details

sec

[quick zodiac]

Thx I gotta check if it is bugged

cuz the dmg we had to do to it is so insane

[vestal root]

as i said earlier today i love some pepos in this chat refusing to play arms because "Its slow and braindead" yet they talk about rerolling to ret which is exactly that

[quick zodiac]

trying to figure out what the normal hp on it should be

[gaunt moat]

do you remember the add name?

[quick zodiac]

void emissary

[gaunt moat]

13th one

Emissaire du vide

[thorny shoal]

does the emissary get buffed by fortified?

[gaunt moat]

239m on the whole dungeon

seems fine

[quick zodiac]

okay thx! 🙂

[north edge]

theres a wowhead article now

they buffed it

now its aids

also gives 50% increased cdr

[modest condor]

wow 50% cdr

[north edge]

but that doesnt make it any better since its absoulely fucked on some bosses

where it takes 20 sec to kill the emissary

[quick zodiac]

Y idk I fking popped on that shit everytime

and it was barely dying lol

[heavy dock]

does it reduce stuff alrdy on cd?

[gaunt moat]

we got one during second boss adds on necrotic wake

[heavy dock]

or not

[gaunt moat]

was quite the bad timing

[north edge]

imagine getting it on third boss too

cant kill aboms

lmfao

[heavy dock]

what does it do btw, havent done any key yet

99% dmg reduction for all other mobs?

[gaunt moat]

it pulse a spell

[north edge]

ye

[chrome wraith]

Charged axe vs claymore...any big difference here?

[heavy dock]

no

[gaunt moat]

reducing taken dmg by monster by 10%

[heavy dock]

just price

[gaunt moat]

for each pulse

[quick zodiac]

price

[quick schooner]

with the new affix . Should we take shattering throw or wrecking throw ?

[hard widget]

no

[uneven plaza]

Holy fuck

this new affix

i wanna kms already

[flat ocean]

the affix has 14 mil hp on a +4

[modest condor]

not anymore

[stiff barn]

On NA maybe, EU seems to be fine .

At least from what I've been told.

[flat ocean]

nope it sucks if not all dps focus the affix

[warm crag]

wait the cdr is 50% now

[storm rune]

That's like... 2/3rds the damage of a single demolish in prot spec

[flat ocean]

this is my damage on it over a dawn +4

[lament hinge]

must spec into frenzied enrage, feels way too slow without it

[warm crag]

i dont think you must

[storm rune]

It's a DPS loss, but damn does it feel so much better

[nimble ermine]

is it just me or is the new affix just fucked on the ship in dawn

[eternal sundial]

damage done to mobs

got this from a guildie

[warm crag]

incredibly reasonable i think

[flat ocean]

Yeah you need to pop cd on it

[slim grotto]

Has anyone tested shattering throw on affix?

[rose bay]

500kish hit on a 32 mill shield

[warm crag]

wrecking throw should hit harder than that

[flat ocean]

yeah it does nothing but monks can TOD it XDDXD

[rose bay]

wait they can

[eager thorn]

Was purge 1 shotting it not intentional then

[storm rune]

bro I was wondering why they were randomly blowing up like that

[runic violet]

Once again... that emissary affix is adding another boss to a dungeon.

[opaque cypress]

they just buffed it too lol

[willow trellis]

Does spell reflect work with webs from M ulgrax like it does for last boss tentacles in grim batol?

[warm crag]

no

[rose bay]

Yeah have to swap to it cause its fat

[warm crag]

you can bladestorm them but your bladestorm shouldnt be lined up like that

maybe like once

[willow trellis]

Aight. Thanks y’all

[queen linden]

How we feeling about this weekly affix?? shit has bricked so many keys.

[dapper goblet]

butt cheeks

[storm rune]

Unnoticeable in low keys, excessive dps soak in high keys

[queen linden]

Has waaaaaaay too much health on higher keys

[flat ocean]

its quite a dps soak on low key

[meager void]

this is a bit skewed as you are generally cleaving it. Or rather, on my 10s, it seemed fine just cleaving it.

[uneven plaza]

ara'kara 50% dmg reduction big Spiders are really nice 🙂

hulking sth

[warm crag]

pre or post buff

[uneven plaza]

:)))))

[meager void]

yesterday night, did they change something today?

[warm crag]

wowhead post abt their health being increased 133% like 15 minutes ago

[meager void]

lol they ust did

[flat ocean]

they buffed it with 133%

[queen linden]

lmao

I swear, blizzard is on crack with these tuning changes.

[ashen socket]

Wrecking throw worth running for this week or nah

[queen linden]

But hey, its okay

[sudden tusk]

its needs

a lot less health

[flat ocean]

Not worth

[queen linden]

After you've spent minutes killing these mobs and blowing all your CDs, you get a sweet 50% CDR

[meager void]

fuk, now it becomes something else entirely. But the CDr is juicy.

ofc now trinkets are gonna be even more desynced

[storm rune]

Wrecking throw needs to do more than 1% overall damage to be worth the point, that's the tradeoff talent

[meager void]

I was considering running two passives or something dmg like the gear-arang because desyncing 1.5min trinkets feels like a heavy loss.

[queen linden]

Having to blow my load on this add instead of bosses

[meager void]

Im not sure about blowing CDs tho, 33M hp isnt exactly massive.

[flat ocean]

Yep

[queen linden]

Did you say more health? Sure thing

[meager void]

like your typical 5man doing a 10 should be doing about 4M sustained ST dps, thats less than 10s of focusing while you cleave the rest still.

[gaunt moat]

Bahahaha

[untold quartz]

I have a max veteran Ara-Kara Sacbrood and Mark of Khardros.
should I take this trinket?
or get my 4th tier piece?

[gaunt moat]

50% cdr is good for us i guess

so we'll survive this week thanks to the affix then next week we getting buffed

[queen linden]

Shewww buddy

[sudden tusk]

im gonna lpay arms

and just execute it

but this affix is far worse then the other 2

[queen linden]

[gaunt moat]

it's extremely bad on certain timings but else it's a better QoL than the orbs you had to catch in between cleave

dunno which one i'll hate more later on!

[sudden tusk]

this one for sure

[storm rune]

just let the healer catch orbs, ezpz

[lusty plinth]

Hey guys, what would be hard cap for
Mastery% (50% currently)
Haste% (25% currently)
Crit%? (17% currently)

[modest condor]

the only one with a hard cap is crit at 100%

[storm rune]

Remix had me wondering, does crit after 100 convert to crit damage or is it just worthless

[runic violet]

I think once you hit 50%, it's worth investing in other stats.

[lusty plinth]

Shouldn't I get them to a specific amount of % before I start getting DR

[storm rune]

That's an answer for the sims

[thin cliff]

always this ^

[tidal kindle]

Had a stonevault run where it came up every skarmorak shield

[lusty plinth]

But is there no explanation without sims ?

[tidal kindle]

We wiped 2x

[sudden tusk]

they just needed to buff the effect

and not the health

[modest condor]

it's funny how every week the new affix is just worse than the previous week

[sudden tusk]

affix fucking sucks

[storm rune]

The explanation is multiplicative values are hard to calculate off the top of your head, so we let a robot do it for us

[queen linden]

Nah, remove the affix.

Bring back week 1 affix

Shockwave, 20% haste, brrrrrr

[lusty plinth]

Okay so then. at how much haste can I start investing into crit ?

[earnest grail]

this new affix sucks dicks

random killer #1

no one is focussing her and braindamage AE in trashpacks

[sullen dove]

thank you mr wonka

[storm rune]

Like even if you're hitting the first tier of DR, it may very well, and likely to be true that that stat still provides more DPS than another, but not always, but sometimes, which is why asking about stat weights is worthless because their values shift the moment another value changes

[queen linden]

Just had a group hard focus her everytime she spawned, bosses now taking 4 minutes + to kill lol

[forest owl]

just had a 10 necro wipe on 2nd boss because affix spawned as adds came in and shielded everything boss at 5% xD

[gaunt moat]

yeah we had the same

adds became nearly unkillable

i wonder how they can fix that

[earnest grail]

remove affix

[queen linden]

It also gives mobs % dmg reduction 🙂

[earnest grail]

or make it then the cast goes through

[queen linden]

up to 90%

[crisp prism]

i depleted a nw cuz of that affix spawning on 3rd boss

fk that shiet

[cyan scaffold]

Aight tested wrecking throw

[earnest grail]

7 minutes for tred'ova Endboss mists

[cyan scaffold]

does not look too worth it

[gaunt moat]

wrecking throw?

[cyan scaffold]

for affix

[gaunt moat]

#fury message

we're doomed

[cyan scaffold]

dear lord

[earnest grail]

does it even work?

[queen linden]

No

[cyan scaffold]

this affix is sloooow too

damn

[earnest grail]

then why we should skill that

[cyan scaffold]

you shouldn't

[gaunt moat]

we don't

[earnest grail]

but someone said that, or am i stupid right now

[gaunt moat]

i wanted to take it during raid progress it's archim who gave me the intel

[queen linden]

WTB Shattering throw

[forest owl]

this is by far the worst affix of the season

[earnest grail]

agree

imagine that in forti

[queen linden]

Lol wowhead comment section on fire

[verbal rivet]

Does it scale the shield on the health????

[north edge]

it was perfectly fine as was

before they fucked with it

now its awful

makes a +12 easier than a +11 key

[forest owl]

omg these guys are just cleaving it, NOPE, buffed 100+% You will target the affix and like it

and then you'll also wipe on a boss cause of it shielding everything at the worst time xD

[queen linden]

Good thing our ST is strong. We'll melt that add in no time

[verbal rivet]

[forest owl]

[chilly plume]

[verbal rivet]

I’m glad I started doing keys as prot.

[queen linden]

Fury is cooked bois. No we can't even M+

[runic violet]

dO YaWR ONW KYE

[verbal rivet]

Saving Burst CDs for the affix mob sounds like cancer.

Good thing ret always has burst up

[runic violet]

Ret doesn't lose much AOE going full ST either

Full ST fury has no AOE lol

besides BS

[queen linden]

They'll probably just halve the buff to the health. 65% instead of 133%

But not before a bunch of people unknowingly brick their key

[chilly plume]

honestly with all the fury nerfs i'm just playing arms rn i find it easier to sustain outside of coolies anyway

[forest owl]

i did 4 keys today, all necro 10s, 1 completed..before the hotfix, the 3 that disbanded? after the hotfix, xD

[steel void]

arms or fury best?

[tawdry bane]

[hard widget]

Yeah its joever

[queen linden]

^There it is bois

We rolling spriests now, lessgo

[runic violet]

that spriest halo freaks me out every time.

[slim coral]

God has freed me

[sullen dove]

die

[slim coral]

bro I've been farming this for 2 weeks

I deserve it

[sudden tusk]

true freedom

[edgy widget]

Retiring to the farm this week sounds good tbh, this affix is

[slim coral]

This affix is less cringe than the last one

that's for sure

so many bad timings last week

from boss mechanics

[sudden tusk]

gonna try juggernaut arms next key

[tidal kindle]

Nope more cringe

[sudden tusk]

to just chug the affix down

but this affix is fucking god awful

[tidal kindle]

Happens on wake last boss, the guy cant kill his mjnigame add

[slim coral]

No shot

[tidal kindle]

Happens in skarmorak shield

Gg you fucked

[sudden tusk]

you didnt have to add 900m hp and DR to a dungeon

vs doing nothing and getting bufffs

[slim coral]

idk pug keys were brutal last week for 10s

[golden hare]

stop doing keys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slim coral]

seems more manageable atleast from what I've done

[tidal kindle]

Its also just

[sudden tusk]

they are worse now

[runic violet]

That CDR is almost miniscule too

[tidal kindle]

Extra hp pool

That you have to deal with

[runic violet]

almost meaningless reward

[golden hare]

fake buff

so fake

so bad

i hate it

so bad

[slim coral]

just differente xpierences I guess

[golden hare]

so terrible

and horrible

and not good

[tidal kindle]

There is infinitely more potential for bad

With this weeks affix

[golden hare]

nuhuh

[verbal wolf]

is the oden's fury nerfed yet ?

[north edge]

easier to do +12 than a +11

[slim coral]

maybe but so far nothing bad has happened for me

last week people didn't soak at all in pugs

[edgy prawn]

Sorry but do we try and get to 5 stacks of juggernaut asap?

[gaunt moat]

nah

[golden hare]

i would eat so many balls to get rid of the creature

[tidal kindle]

[slim coral]

I'm just glad I'm done with trinket farm

[gaunt moat]

i hope you're ready for when it happens on almost ANY boss adds of necrotic wake

[slim coral]

been farming that dungeon for 2 weeks

[gaunt moat]

[quaint elbow]

Is the add not dealt with by purges and shattering throw? D:

[slim coral]

I've already done a 10 nw today

it was fine

[barren coral]

do whirlwind stacks still hit other enemies if my back is turned against them?

[gaunt moat]

the issue is timing

[tidal kindle]

Oh yah it happened during wake 3rd boss

[north edge]

After buff?

[slim coral]

Nah not after buff

[tidal kindle]

The hook guy was at 14 stacks

We wiped

😄

[slim coral]

I did it was like 10am

haven't done a NW since after the buff

[north edge]

I bricked a +9 mist on first boss

With my team

After buff

[slim coral]

Probably wont do a nw wake tho

unless its a 12

[north edge]

We timed a +10 2 chest

Earlier

That’s how bad the change is

[runic violet]

dang...

[slim coral]

interesting

[gaunt moat]

i'm starting to think one mythic vault from m+ is good enough with this affix

[runic violet]

Blizzard is really all over in tuning this season.

[golden hare]

i swear they buffed it instead of nerfed it by accident this can not be real

[young swan]

just go 12+ so the affix doesnt exist :^)

[quaint elbow]

Gigabrain

Oh I forgot, i suck

[sudden tusk]

@tidal kindle also doesnt help the CDR doesnt apply to trinkets

[runic violet]

Awww yea

[sudden tusk]

so you end up misaligning your shard/mark with packs

[queen linden]

Fun fact: The voidbound add can spawn on the side platform on the last boss in NW. GL killing it 😄

[runic violet]

Jesus...

[golden hare]

holy fuck that's funny

[north edge]

Also fun fact

[quaint elbow]

Lmao

[runic violet]

Does that emissary buff mobs maps wide?

[north edge]

Arakara is now the hardest dungeon

[young swan]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[north edge]

Can’t kill spiders with add up

[young swan]

They dont test their game

[golden hare]

just the ones in combat no?

[young swan]

thats good shit

[north edge]

Add takes forever

[quaint elbow]

Cmon guys, give blizz a break, this affix is still on test week. 2nd time it comes itll be fine

[runic violet]

so... everything in combat... nice

[quaint elbow]

We testers

[unreal crane]

shatter throw worth taking for this week's affix ?

[queen linden]

It doesn't work.

[unreal crane]

ah shit

[north edge]

Go arms

[runic violet]

This is live server not a PTR.

[queen linden]

Coulda fooled me.

[north edge]

Arms with jugganauht is the way

[quaint elbow]

There is only PTR

Calling it live doesnt make it not PTR

[tidal kindle]

We had it spawn top platform

The guy on side couldn't kill his add

Cuz of dr

[queen linden]

[tidal kindle]

Its SOOOO BAD

[verbal rivet]

Fury isn’t seeing the inside of a key this week

[queen linden]

Wait for it to spawn on the 2nd boss in NW and shield the adds. BOOM

[edgy widget]

several times we had it spawn just before Skarmorak's shield, which can make it dramatically harder to break

you're trying to finish up adds, collect orbs, kill affix, and the big shield now has 20-30% DR

[golden hare]

i swear they intentionally spawn when he does the shield

on god

[queen linden]

Its okay tho... you get 50% CDR

[gaunt moat]

bahahaha

[edgy widget]

Yeah, 12s off my CD instead of 5, hooray

still desynced from trinkets

[river viper]

wow this new affix is shite

[edgy widget]

also the number of times it spawns as we're moving to the next pack

it just eats time in dungeons

[queen linden]

^ mists

[edgy widget]

Grim Batol is even worse about it than mists tbh

[queen linden]

Spawns at the end of a pack, so now you have to dumb CDs into before you can continue in the maze.

[river viper]

just failed a 10 NW second boss cause of this affix

[quaint elbow]

This add has so much potential to fuck up so many pulls

[queen linden]

All the pulls**

[inner shadow]

any kind man would like to help me do delves 8?

i can solo delve tier 8 as ilvl 580

but it takes a long time xd

[queen linden]

Imo, you're begging for a bricked key if you're running rn

[inner shadow]

wdym?

[quaint elbow]

I hoped it would be a quick purge and yay 50%CDR. Having to dps it whule tanking scary priority mobs is just insane

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not impossible to time, it's just harder this week

[inner shadow]

wait there's a timer?

:kekw

[golden hare]

don't care, it's unfun what's the point

[past pivot]

Go prot until you have better gear. 580 is pretty low.
And Zekvir is pretty free as Arms.

[inner shadow]

i didnt even know there was atimer

[golden hare]

we're talking about m+

[rough tulip]

m+ so rough this expac

[inner shadow]

tier 8?

[queen linden]

This affix doesn't make sense. What's causing it to shield? It doesn't do it every time it spawns.

[brave lark]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56999433?mode=detailed&zone=38#boss=2902&metric=dps&difficulty=4&partition=1&class=Warrior&spec=Fury

Can someone help me? I'm trying so hard to parse higher but I feel I've hit my ceiling. My best parse yesterday was Ulgrax but I'm still 4th on dps even with higher ilvl than most of my guild. Am I supposed to use aoe stuff on cd? I'm holding them for the add phase

[queen linden]

Log channel my guy

[brave lark]

Sorry

[frozen field]

Like where you get sent down?

[queen linden]

Yup

[frozen field]

Oh my God lol

[hasty tide]

had the 3rd boss in a GB fall through the ground after he fell off the dragon and reset the whole thing...

[edgy widget]

Not sure that had anything to do with the affix

[hasty tide]

affix spawned at same time

anecdotal for sure

[edgy widget]

still seems unrelated

[young swan]

oh yeah that just happens

dont run that dungeon

[hasty tide]

we didnt eve notice, ran and did final boss

30 seconds left

[queen linden]

Where in this description does it say "While the emissary is alive, all nearby mobs gain a damage absorb shield." or am I high

[hasty tide]

dungeon didnt end

+9 bricked kekw

[golden hare]

the mob channels the ability and it says so right there

but the other mobs don't get shield

[edgy widget]

"empower nearby enemies with Dark Prayer"

[golden hare]

just dr

[edgy widget]

it's not a shield, just DR

[golden hare]

only the emissary has thie absorb shield (it has 1HP)

[queen linden]

That just gives them %DR

So why am I getting mobs with shields while this add is alive? lol

[edgy widget]

You're not

[hasty tide]

the new health pool on the emissary is pretty fat ngl

[queen linden]

It happened a handful of times in my last key

[dapper goblet]

was your last key a mists perhaps

[queen linden]

[forest owl]

is the hp of the affix also acting funky? i was in a +10 and my group did almost 60m dmg to 1 affix but it says 33m hp @ +10?

[hushed gust]

More interesting question. Has anyone field tested shattering throw on it yet?

Cause I know it can just out-right remove some shields.

[rose bay]

all ive learned doing these dgns

[queen linden]

Someone posted earlier that it doesn not work

[rose bay]

is id rather have the 20% buff to the adds and bosses

then dealing with this shit

[edgy widget]

Shattering doesn't, though Wrecking Throw does do good damage to them

[hushed gust]

Well that’s butts. Guess I’ll keep with Wrecking, then.

[inner shadow]

runed keys do not guarantee you 100% loot

in zekvir

right?

[edgy widget]

normally wouldn't recommend investing up to 2 talent points for something used only periodically in a dungeon, but post-health buff, it's worth having

[queen linden]

How much dmg are we talking? 700k avg? on a 3m CD

1.5m cd with the buff

[rose bay]

isnt it a 45 second cd, wrecking

[stark depot]

Wrecking is 45 sec cd

[edgy widget]

Wrecking Throw is a 45s CD, but you won't actually use it that frequently

[queen linden]

Here's hoping they buff shattering to insta kill like ToD

[edgy widget]

and "how much damage" depends on a variety of factors, but you can just look at the tooltip and multiply by 6 (not counting mastery, etc, etc)

[queen linden]

Then we'll surely get invited to keys this week

[edgy widget]

even if they did, you probably wouldn't take it

[queen linden]

You don't think it would be worth the time save in a high key? to insta kill each add

[edgy widget]

the adds are annoying but they don't take that long to kill, and investing 2 talent points on a 3m CD just to pop one is not super effiicent

[inner shadow]

@robust summit ey

[queen linden]

Whats the CD on add spawn? greater then 3mn no?

[edgy widget]

compared to just taking Wrecking and getting a little extra damage on every one

[chilly fractal]

I’ve been popping my Mad Queens on them

[edgy widget]

it's like a minute

[rose bay]

smart

[queen linden]

Did we figure out if the CDR affects abilities already on CD

[edgy widget]

it does

it works just like all other past CDR effects in the game

[queen linden]

So by that logic, we could have shattering every 1.5m for an instant kill, if shattering gets changed to affect the adds

Which... kinda... lines up? not rly

[edgy widget]

you're grossly misunderstanding how CDR works

it's not 50% off the cooldown

[runic cypress]

735k dps on Sikran

I am getting depressed

[chilly fractal]

Smoke if you got em

[edgy widget]

refresh 50% faster means every 1s counts as 1.5s

[chilly fractal]

That helps with my depression

[edgy widget]

so over 10s or whatever the duration is, instead of your cooldown going from 60 -> 50, it goes from 60 -> 55

[queen linden]

So 50% CDR on 20 seconds would be.....

[edgy widget]

it affects the rate at which the cooldown refreshes not the total cooldown

it would be 50% more than 20

which is 30

[queen linden]

math

So 2.5m cd

[edgy widget]

so over 20 seconds, you would get 30 (or an extra 10) seconds off your cooldown

[queen linden]

So (if they change it) we could have insta add kill every 2.5m

[flat river]

got hero sackbrood

[queen linden]

ehhh, probably not worth it.

[flat river]

[edgy widget]

which would still be about every 3rd add

[ruby badge]

What's a good m+ trinket to pair with egg this week. Transmitter feels bad since the affix screws CD alignment.

[flat river]

hello Archi

[edgy widget]

which sounds nice, if you're planning around it, but I'd rather just have the consistent bonus from WT tbh

also they haven't expressed any intent to change it

[runic violet]

The ritual knife!

😄

[queen linden]

But the use case could be saving it for shit overlaps. IE: Add spawns on boss and will wipe you if not nuked

[floral summit]

Thia affix is busted, people are unhappy as i read, my new friends from frost dk discord are at the edge of sanity

[runic violet]

I'm using ritual knife

[queen linden]

but how much dmg am I losing throwing 2 points into a back pocket CD

[delicate yacht]

what is the strategy to killing this affix, you just focus it? I don't understand how this works

[edgy widget]

Mark/SkarShard + Mad Queen / Ritual Knife / Sacbrood
mostly in that order

[ember apex]

the affix doesn't screw CD alignment, if it lines up without CDR it will line up w/o CDR. 1.5min CD reduced by 50% for the same duration has the same effect

[edgy widget]

get a Monk if you're worried about that, touch of death is the same thing but better

[edgy widget]

I think they were already tbh

[queen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[charred panther]

Trinkets is what he was referring to I think

[queen linden]

WTB Pocket monk. Paying in handshakes and gummy worms.

[delicate yacht]

what happens if you just ignore the affix this week and leave it alive

[ember apex]

if the trinkets line up w/o CDR they will also line up w/ CDR.

it's equally affected

[edgy widget]

also if you're saving for shit overlaps, you're not really using it on cooldown, which means you're not getting every 3rd, you're maybe getting every 4th or 5th, and that's also assuming you don't have 2 shit overlaps back to back lol

[runic violet]

Are the gummy worms sour?

[queen linden]

100% dmg reduction on mobs

[ruby badge]

Ya it doesn't reduce trinket cds

[ember apex]

wait it doesnt reduce trinket CD?

do u have a link?

that doesnt make sense

[queen linden]

Maybe

[ember apex]

i havent done a key yet this week

[zenith gorge]

Fuck I actually thought the Grim Batol trinket would be great but a 626 transmitter is already better. I'm kinda lost on this vault. Keychain just to have a myth track neck? Or wait for possible Neck from third mythic? Take heroic rare neck? Or just socket for bracers next week?

[edgy widget]

items have never been affected by CDR like that

Carlo just casually spreading misinformation, smh my head

[ember apex]

i said i wasnt sure and i didnt play a key this week yet

tbf

[ruby badge]

It's just ability cooldowns so it instantly desyncs 1.5 minute trinkets

[edgy widget]

you didn't actually lol

you made an assertion and then walked it back once challenged

[ember apex]

i was just saying mathemtically if 2 things have. the same thing (and implying) that they both get affected by CDR it wouldnt screw up w/ alignment

[edgy widget]

except it doesn't work that way, because CDR has never affected items

[delicate yacht]

is necrotic wake doable on tyrannical with this affix? it wastes so much damage on bosses (around +10)

[ember apex]

what i asserted is true right like if everything is affected by the affix everything would stay lined up

ok well i didnt know that

[edgy widget]

it's not true, because CDR has never affected items lol

[ember apex]

yeah but how would i know that

[edgy widget]

because this is like the 19th version of this effect we've experienced over the course of the game?
also if you don't know, you shouldn't be making the assertion - that just makes it an assumption!

[hard widget]

Lets start running 2 minute trinkets so it lines up ones every 2 sets of cooldowns with the new affix 😮 Big brain moment

Dont do this btw

[frank rover]

is this affix possible

[queen linden]

Already doing that... fuck.

[frank rover]

it seems very unbalanced

[lapis gyro]

should i cast whirlwind on cd? do i spam it if there are like 10 mobs?

[delicate yacht]

i hate when it spawns 30 yards behind you as the tank pulls a huge pack in front of you, i dont understand what to do

[edgy widget]

definitely possible, it's just worse than the others

[sullen dove]

[edgy widget]

no and no, just maintain the WW buff when facing multiple targets

[queen linden]

Just run with a brewmaster, mistweaver, and 2 windwalkers and it's easy

[ember apex]

the assertion i made was that if u have 2 CDs w/ the same CD and they both get affected by CDR that wouldnt screw up them from lining up, which is true.

I started playing in SL so the only example of an affix that does CDR is Uhr which did affect trinkets and items b/c overwhelming power crystal would line up w/ ur avatar when doing Uhr pulls

[frank rover]

is this shattering throw week

[ruby badge]

But wrecking throw stonks

[frank rover]

i dont have pocket monks

[ember apex]

i dont have like 20 years of game knowledge

[lapis gyro]

But it shows a lot of numbers if i press it in AOE

[ember apex]

i just know shadowlands onwards

[sullen dove]

A lot of small really bad numbers

[queen linden]

Can we pin a comment that Shattering throw doesn't work (Yet. Cope)

[hard widget]

Healer mechanic

[queen linden]

[modest condor]

just admit that you were wrong dude

[queen linden]

Everything is a healer mechanic if you're chad enough.

[frank rover]

why are wrecking throw and shattering throw same damage

[delicate yacht]

i just failed a +8 grim batol with a really geared group, this seems a little bit over tuned

[frank rover]

one is just straight up better

or am i high

[ruby badge]

One pops immunities

[sullen dove]

Shattering breaks immunities in pvp

[acoustic zephyr]

Did you even read your talents before asking? You’re prolly doing like 50k dps

[storm rune]

I ran a 7 yesterday and my overall healing was 1/3 of the healer, who was lower than the tank. We are the healers now

[queen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[edgy widget]

except it wasn't true, because CDR doesn't affect items! stop being argumentative and just accept the correction, jeez

and no, Urh did not affect items

[delicate yacht]

necrotic wake 2nd boss with this affix is hilarious, and stitchflesh

[frank rover]

wait what are u guys giving up to take wrecking throw

rally?

[storm rune]

giving up?

[edgy widget]

I dropped Rumbling Earth

[frank rover]

oh yeah that works thanks

[edgy widget]

this is my current M+ build, though I switch a few things up here and there

[modest condor]

wait but i already dropped rumbling earth last week

[ember apex]

i understand that it doesnt work on items.

i said if

[frank rover]

this is exactly what i have except i dont have stormbolt

[modest condor]

oh you're playing 1 overwhelming rage still

[ember apex]

in my original post

[modest condor]

dude

[sullen dove]

Fresh meat and not bt damage

[ember apex]

what

[hard widget]

U swapped rumbling for Wrecking?

Ew

[sullen dove]

[edgy widget]

that's not what you said in your original post, you said "if they line up w/out CDR they will also line up w/ CDR, which is not true

you just said that you based that off SL Urh affecting items, which is also not true

again, stop trying to walk it back - you were clearly wrong, you were corrected, and it doesn't need to go any further than that

[storm rune]

If they would just add a storm bolt -> Shockwave pipeline, we could finally drop p&g and get a free talent point to swap around

[glad marten]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[sullen dove]

goofy ahh gif

[edgy widget]

Just doesn't feel necessary in most of my keys, but you could drop Second Wind instead (it's pretty hit or miss in keys)

Definitely worth using it once the first affix rolls back around again though

[hard widget]

Yeah idk, i like rumbling earth, but in any case... Didnt they forget to buff our wrecking / shattering throw on the aura nerfs?

Atleast thats what i remember

[edgy widget]

I like it too, but we need a talent point

no, it was not buffed, but it's still a strong GCD against frequently recurring shields

[hard widget]

Yeah i dont bother swapping into wrecking personally. Doesnt cleave

[edgy widget]

doesn't need to cleave, there's only one shielded target

[flat river]

mark of khadros or shard from SV for m+?

[edgy widget]

either/or tbh

[flat river]

wb raid

same thing?

since boss spawns adds most of time

[hard widget]

There is always atleast 2 targets tho, if it only procs in combat

10% dr is still 90% dmg

[edgy widget]

sure but the priority is killing affix, especially with the new health buffs

[hard widget]

Think at the end of the line its kinda w/e

Yeha but u can focus the affix with meatcleaver stacks up

Wrecking throw doesnt cleave

U maybe do 200k more st into the add

I dont think its worth the investment personally

[edgy widget]

yes, but again if your priority is killing the affix, which given its propensity to spawn at really bad times, then Wrecking Throw is good

[hard widget]

I see your point, i just dont think its gonna be of much use personally. But i get the argument for it

[olive wraith]

Arms jugg is kinda huge

[edgy widget]

idgaf about meters in M+, not cleaving mobs for 1 GCD is going to have no bearing on your ability to time a key... but killing the affix faster might, especially when it has a tendency to spawn at really inconvenient times (like right before Skarmorak's own shield)

[eternal lance]

j

[edgy widget]

I don't think Wrecking Throw is necessary either, I didn't take it at all before today because the add was easily cleaved down, but with the health buff today there's a lot more reason to make sure you can kill it quickly

[frank rover]

so do u guys get invited to pugs

[glossy pebble]

Is Powerful Enrage vs Frenzied Enrage that big of a difference in keys?

[frank rover]

im 616 and no one wants me in hc raid or m+

idk what im supposed to do

[hard widget]

Dont be redicouless, ofcourse not

[frank rover]

i need to leach off my healer friend to get to play

[olive wraith]

It can be pretty big if you’re in an organized group and tank pulls big with your cooldowns

[glossy pebble]

I feel like I've been havin much more success with Frenzied Enrage vs Powerful Enrage but maybe I'm just coping

[sturdy palm]

How much damage does wrecking throw do to it?

[edgy widget]

Improved Bloodthirst is more damage sure, but I find Fresh Meat to be much smoother in keys, especially ones with a lot of movement which might otherwise mess with enrage uptime - ultimately BB/BT isn't a huge amount of my total damage, so it's like a 0.8% drop for an overall enrage uptime gain

[runic violet]

lmao.. im searching for a group... no one wants to do +10

[olive wraith]

Think someone wreck did around 1mil on court

[frank rover]

i cant get into +7 grim batol

to even attempt to get the weapon

[edgy widget]

Wrecking Throw does good damage, the real issue with it is that you don't typically use it often enough to warrant the 1-2 point talent investment - even the affix spawning every ~minute is borderline

Fyrakk for example, using it one time in a 10 minute encounter isn't a great investment

[runic violet]

time to craft.

[frank rover]

i already did

how do u think im 616

[nimble kraken]

The add gives mobs 10% dr every 3 seconds. Do you think your cleave casts are more valuable than blowing that sucker up fast?

[sudden tusk]

alright finally got into a key

[nimble kraken]

The throw makes a lot of sense

[edgy widget]

Frenzied and Powerful are basically equal over time, though Powerful is a little burstier

[sudden tusk]

time to check out Arms jugg build

[past pivot]

Arms jugg build. Is that the collusus-free one?

[summer quail]

you prob just have more fun so you play better

[olive wraith]

Slayer has one yes

[chilly sapphire]

has there been some adds on brood removed from logs? detail vs logs has a major diff

[glossy pebble]

Aug evoker in group maybe?

[olive wraith]

Or dev? Wasn’t there some bug with bombardments

[ruby badge]

Your prob competing with 624 people for the same slots tbh. If you didn't farm 610( or 613) items before spending runed crests your pretty behind in ilvl. I'm 624 atm and my guild just started mythic this week and have 1 boss killer in there. You can be in the 620s if you just farmed out some heroic track gear before useing crests.

[frank rover]

guh

[edgy widget]

That's the point Jeventes was making - in terms of total damage you'll do a lot more cleaving RB onto 5 targets even if they get an extra 10-20% DR, but the question is whether you're going for total damage or actually trying to kill the affix quickly

IMO, you will generally have a smoother experience killing the add quickier, rather than just cleaving everything down

[frank rover]

that doesnt sound realistic

[chilly sapphire]

Completely forgot about this spec.

Prob the reason.

[spare steppe]

warrior buffs!

[cursive ridge]

ummm...also nerfs to slayer

[humble plover]

ye

[cursive ridge]

cannot believe htey aren't just buffing thane

[spare steppe]

25% and 30% buffs to ST generators is nice though