fury

[restive fiber]

and our gift of the anniversary is a nerf

[warm crag]

there usually is especially for half patches

[frigid cloud]

so we switch to arms now or wha

[sour abyss]

cause our dev is busy writing out ret pally buffs

[low folio]

its fine they will come back around and realize they forgot to target cap nerf bladestorm

[restive fiber]

other classes get rework and animation

[summer quail]

not many classes are safer for raid. warrior historically incredibly good in raid. if you want something safer play mage or warlock i guess

[meager void]

From Blizz pov these are announced changes not yet on live and they will probably first send them and then correct

[unreal wasp]

As a fury OTP what’s difficult about picking up Arms jw?

[hardy shuttle]

AND a new spear icon. Don't you forget it

[restive fiber]

spear of shit

[restive peak]

You cannot truly look at the rankings today and think this is balanced, I'll make fury work, you know this, but it doesn't mean we should just smile and say it's ok

[hardy shuttle]

Staying awake

[sour abyss]

The compensation buff we didn't know we needed

[restive peak]

This is EXACTLY why warrior keeps ending up here

[young swan]

shit playstyle

[restive peak]

Mages, boomkins etc go NUTS, NUCLEAR, as a unit, every nerf

Or anytime they're weak

[warm crag]

fury is literally played as a 2-3 copy spec on the fights that matter

where you cant play 2 fury you just play 2 arms instead

[weary sail]

I dont get this argument. If fury tuning is shit, tune fury better. Why does arms matters?

[feral ivy]

When I saw this picture I couldn’t help but to laugh

[summer quail]

it just doesn't feel impactful. spec feels weird, it's not difficult to play

[zealous whale]

i have hopes they change it its still over a month away

[buoyant salmon]

fury is great in this patch currently

[warm crag]

what are you on about "making fury work"

[brazen island]

sorry guys they found out warrior was still doing too much damage, so they delayed maintenance another hour to see what else they can fit

[south kayak]

i don't want to have to play arms

[restive peak]

Warriors have a few people care and the other half go "HURR I DUN CARE IS FINE" then when we're legit irrelevant they pikachu face

[meager void]

Again with the fucking lets revolt bs

Goddam

[spare steppe]

what if i dont want to play arms

[south kayak]

period

[weary sail]

[restive peak]

Posting on forums about concerns = revolt

[spare steppe]

specs are balanced on a spec by spec basis not as a class

[restive peak]

I can't, for real

[warm crag]

then you aren't playing at a level where spec balance will affect you ever

[south kayak]

we have to many apologetics here

[spare steppe]

otherwise why even bother buffing frost/fire then

they have arcane

[meager void]

Thats fine but thats not what you mean with going nuclear

[restive peak]

It is

[brazen island]

literally writing a forum post as we speak. but the problem is a random post from a random shitter like me isn't going to do anything

[restive fiber]

shaman s tier with 3 specs

[restive peak]

They go nuclear with posts and twitter spam

[brazen island]

we need a concerted effort from verified peeps

we need people that matter to make the posts

[dense elbow]

No it wont, but a 1000 will

[restive peak]

They literally spam blizzard with twitter, and with forum posts of 1k +

[south kayak]

they fucking death threaten the devs LMAO

[restive peak]

Then you look at ours and it has 12 posts

[dense elbow]

And that is big for us btw

[spare steppe]

the argument that "fury can have shit st because they have arms" is a terrible argument

[dense elbow]

12 is giga

[restive peak]

Hmm no wonder they think warriors don't care

[rotund steppe]

they extended again ;_;

lemmie play

[feral ivy]

I wrote on blizz forum for the first time and warriors told me to “shut up and just have fun”

[restive peak]

Again, I don't care if fury is bottom, I do care when there's a 15-20% gap

[sullen dove]

na that’s pretty reasonable

Kinda how it’s been for years

[summer quail]

that's pretty high for warriors. atleast reddit is complaining but that probably doesn't do anything

[weary sail]

“Fury being shit is fine since Arms exists” argument is so crazy

[scarlet swift]

Pushed back another hour? bruh, im about to do my work instead of getting my vault...

[calm quartz]

holy fuck thats hot

[spare steppe]

just because something has been the same way for years doesn't necessarily mean its the right course

[scarlet swift]

imagine the cheetoh dust in those creases

[restive peak]

I think I have a pretty good leg to stand on performance wise as a fury warr, and if you're gonna look at me and tell me you think enhance and fdk are balanced equivalent to fury, you're either lying or I have a super sick, expensive bridge to sell you, no paperwork required

[young swan]

fury isnt shit, unless if you also think arms is shit cause its not the de facto aoe pick

[sullen dove]

fury being shit in the one facet of the game you have the other spec for that is way better at it, where as arms can’t do any of the things fury can do in m+ and burst aoe adds in raid

[warm crag]

thats not the argument king

[south kayak]

LMAO

[young swan]

in which case, play a different class that does everything without losing anything

[spare steppe]

what is the argument then?

cause I think we're arguing about different things then

[south kayak]

play anything EXCEPT fury

[restive peak]

I don't even care if they don't buff us, as long as they nerf the MASSIVE outliers

[low folio]

the reason is because warriors have a stereotype of being dumb for a reason. tons of zug zug people that ignore everything. the dumb people of the other classes atleast realize nerf is not nice

[restive peak]

Close the gap

[rotund ginkgo]

thats what i just got

[plain ember]

arms is the same io ranking for top 5% of players of the spec

[weary sail]

“Fury is shit, just play arms”

[buoyant mica]

wait did we get nerfed SO badly??

[rotund ginkgo]

@calm quartz

[sour abyss]

I think we can all agree we would rather be totally middle of the pack on single target AND burst aoe if it meant not being pigeon-holed into the "go blender the log-irrelevant adds in the corner" spec and be happy about being dog shit last on single target

[calm quartz]

I aw, its pretty

saw*

[restive peak]

^

[static rock]

because the skill floor is near bottom, while the ceiling is just about the same as other classes

[hazy spruce]

Bro said the solution is to respect… His argument on why fury is good is to respect to something else…

[robust basin]

Am I seeing this right? Is fury’s single target dps worse than augement evokers?

[restive peak]

It's not super fun to hold CDs for adds

[calm quartz]

I have the og with the holes in it

[south kayak]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning/1973855/36 check this out

[fading bane]

huh, both are brown calss specs

[weary sail]

Fury ST is amongst the worst in the game yes

[static rock]

yes

[restive peak]

This is not true, no class or spec is any harder or easier

[robust basin]

That’s fucking wild

[warm crag]

my argument that you replied to was that top end warriors are enjoying warrior frankly being ridiculously busted in raid right now cause we either play fury and solo adds so others can spec into more ST damage or we just spec arms to do damage competetive enough to bring 2 of, and if you literally do not care for playing arms at all then you simply aren't playing at a level where class balance will ever affect you

[dense elbow]

Most of our CDs in the raid goes into adds - and we dont go ST build. But yes, fury is pretty behind on em raid meters.

[sullen dove]

combination of good players not playing fury st on st bosses and when fury is better (first two bosses) you’re not doing single target damage you’re doing add damage

[meager void]

They way @edgy widget (sorry for @) describes the communication with blizz, it seems like tuning is more of an adult approached discussion with selected peers (him for example) than this "lets flood forums" mentality

[robust basin]

To be worse than augement

[sullen dove]

This is always how it’s been

[weary sail]

Based on your logic if Arcane Mage is good so frost and fire should be dog water

[static rock]

I am simply saying it is generally easier to start, not play at a semi-competitive level

[low folio]

so its archis fault

[fading bane]

huh

[warm crag]

did you ignore the upper half of the message that you copy pasted instead of just replying to

[low folio]

thats what you said

[buoyant salmon]

idk man all of you guys are just spewing wrong information

all day long

[sour abyss]

Then we need a new representative, cause we get the shit end of the stick every single patch. Sorry not sorry @edgy widget

[spare steppe]

ah ok we're arguing about different things. Yeah I agree with you that as a raider, you should be flexing between the specs and do what is is optimal. I thought your argument was that no need to buff fury ST because they have arms. we goood we good

[buoyant salmon]

ur so dumb lmfao

[meager void]

Its not about fault you simple minded baboons, its about how to enact change thru actual possible means.

[low folio]

lol

nope archis fault

[dense elbow]

Depends on what goal you got. You got camp make Fury do more ST, camp make Fury a more flat profile, and camp doom 'they took our burst'.

[low folio]

definitely

[warm crag]

even then fury st is not as bad as everyone is making it out to be, if you just look at boss damage charts you will get a wrong view since everyone is holding cds for adds or speccing arms to pipe more boss dam

[south kayak]

Spamming blizzard devs on twitter and threatning them like druids or mages do?

[rigid stirrup]

extended maintence really bringing the brainrot to the disc

[plain ember]

blaming the lack of data analyzation skills from blizzard on archim is wild lol

[meager void]

Yes, this approach has zero problems and no slippery slope.

[low folio]

thats what he said

[sour abyss]

There has been a serious disconnect between the effectiveness of fury and its place in the meta for a seriously concerning long time.

[young swan]

[pearl crypt]

idk i think fury is a bit too strong prob needs another nerf

[low folio]

im just having fun

[static rock]

But it kinda is, if the reason why these nerfs come about is through the current system, then more then likely things won't change unless someone there has a thought

[south kayak]

oh god this aboutta get a lot more spicy

[low folio]

talkin shit

[spare steppe]

on pure ST fights, such as sikran, we seem to be a significant % below average

[sullen dove]

Bro used serious twice in one sentence oh shit he must be serious

[weary sail]

Its literally dead last and even worse than Aug

[spare steppe]

I agree with you that looking at just "boss damage" gives different information

[sour abyss]

seriously super duper seriopus

[wind torrent]

idk, i play both specs. idk how fury feels on sikran

[sand crest]

truth is if ur not raiding mythic or pushing 11+ keys class balance doesnt matter for you and as long as you do well comparatively to other fury warrs thats what matters

[maiden ingot]

Wdym, "oh god", spicy Skyhold is peak Skyhold.

[sudden tusk]

The problem is just fight deisign. Fury still absolutly owns and has a place in the raid especially on the last boss

however the problems facing the spec based on boss design are making it worse for everyone else

[spare steppe]

but there's still 1600 parses in the last week on mythic Sikran as fury and 767 as arms

[plain ember]

well i am pushing 11+ keys and i would like to be un nerfed ty

[static rock]

This is SSSSerious guys

[young swan]

based

[sudden tusk]

so fury is doing good, but also not doing good its a weird spec

[restive peak]

^ this is the issue

[dense elbow]

Problem is they design the fight, we excell at said fight, we get nerfed for doing so IN ALL OTHER CONTENT

[restive peak]

It can be useful and still not be in a good place

[rotund ginkgo]

literally the most active discord members here do both

[runic violet]

Who thinks the maintenance is going to go another 3 hours.

[plain ember]

guys lets make every fight spawn adds on 45 second cd

OMG ODYNS FURY DOING WAY TOO MUCH DAMAGE

[south kayak]

hope it goes forever unless we get buffed

[restive peak]

And if they removed powerful enrage, and gave us an actual tier set, we'd be in a much healthier position

[runic violet]

2nd

[silk wharf]

Armor converts to extra attack power.

[static rock]

Funny that they removed all the damage on our biggest boss

[meager void]

I like this.

[spare steppe]

armor gives damage and % reduction to physical damage (which is great for tanks)

[plain ember]

bring back carpal tunnel fury

[dense elbow]

Noone agrees with wlogs on that take

[plain ember]

powerful enrage is the poop

[heady saffron]

we will be back s3 surely

[south kayak]

blizzard be like: add in powerful enrage and then retune our abilites for more burst and then design a raid around big aoe burst

[heady saffron]

🫡

[south kayak]

then nerf

so dumb

[warm crag]

this is wrong! theres like 2 or 3 apologists in here

[sand crest]

agreed and im not saying that the nerfs we'v been getting are justified but I feel like the debate is sometimes brought about by people it's not even affecting

[young swan]

powerful enrage owns and if they removed it i'd prob just find a diff clas

[warm crag]

and you are STILL being played twice on the fights that matter

[silk wharf]

Armored to the teeth talent, deep right side of class tree.

[warm crag]

imagine if the nerfs didnt go through

holy moly

[restive fiber]

its like when they gave us fyralath

[south kayak]

still bad

[restive fiber]

they tuned the classes around it

[warm crag]

idk man i think you need a reality check if you are being brought twice for a fight and think you're bad

[static rock]

At least we had fy'ralath, this feels the same way but now no legendary

[meager void]

I love skyhold man but some of you need to understand that no one at blizz would ever want to speak to you, given your "way of handling complaints"

[silk wharf]

better would be relative. but in the conversation about dps, yes.

[spare steppe]

Isn’t arms just for 3 fights and fury for the rest?

[static rock]

any armor kit with armor will generally be better the others

[restive peak]

I like powerful too but it's the reason we're in this mess

[static rock]

that's why it's so expensive

[eager thorn]

Fury every fight :)

[plain ember]

powerful enrage is sleeper i like haste

zoom zoom

[sour abyss]

I mean, when we spend all day listening to "I need more rage"....

[young swan]

I think we're in this mess because blizzard cant decide if they want uncapped aoe to exist as a niche or not

[spare steppe]

I go arms for ST/2T gotta learn somehow

[warm crag]

ye but you have genuine reasons to bring 2 warriors to literally every single fight

[young swan]

powerful is a bystander

[restive peak]

This is also very true

[plain ember]

real af

[vocal gazelle]

certainly not uncapped aoe for fury

[south kayak]

fury design sucks

[warm crag]

only other class that gets this privilege is evoker i think

[south kayak]

play something else

simple

something easily tuned

[edgy widget]

lmao what in the world makes you think I'm responsible for tuning? I don't work for blizz you absolute donut

[silk wharf]

To jump in to the fury nerf discussion. What makes it even worse is that Blizzard is on record saying that a spec that can look bad on paper can be great depending on fight mechanics. Then proceed to nerf fury for not being particularly op but being really tailored to the raids mechanics and timings.

[south kayak]

LMAO

[feral ivy]

What do yall think there going to do? Do yall think there going to keep going with this nerf coming in 19 days or change it or buff us?

[young swan]

better than it was for all of DF

[strong zephyr]

DONUT

[plain ember]

😂

[spare steppe]

Agreed. Burst aoe needs nerfs but ST doesn’t

[south kayak]

the expansion just started

[spare steppe]

They just should have been surgical

[sand crest]

I feel like the problem is more so that, as far as I see it, we got nerfed because of our performance in raid due to fight timings with adds, but the nerfs affect other parts of the game (m+), and it feels bad to be nerfed for such a reason when we're already not the best in m+ either

[rotund ginkgo]

unironically true

so far

at least

[hard widget]

Yeah tune us better Archi wtf

[young swan]

and its already better than it was for all of DF

[edgy widget]

also yall need to take a SERIOUS step back from the computer and reevalute your lives

Fury is in a good state right now

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-doughnut-donut-gif-9736843

[south kayak]

archi is the reason we got 5 soft cap

[edgy widget]

it's not OP, it's not the best class, but it is far from terrible

[plain ember]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-doughnut-donut-gif-9736843

[south kayak]

what about in .5 though

[weary sail]

Its all ur fault cuz u pad too hard during heroic week

[rotund ginkgo]

archi shouldve sandbagged more imo

[edgy widget]

it's a reasonable nerf

[dense elbow]

I think our issue is more based on blizz not deciding if we are supposed to do decent burst or not; and how important should be in our overall profile.
Once they decided, we can be balanced around that for all content (not only raid)

[edgy widget]

which has been said, over and over again

[warm crag]

we're still like an above average m+ spec or? i dont overly care abt m+ so i cba looking into high end stats

[south kayak]

would be if we got compensation on our non cds

[edgy widget]

whether we do or not, the nerf itself is still reasonable

[weary sail]

Archi should have written an absolute dog shit guide so we all suck during heroic week, then release a real guide after

[edgy widget]

and done for a very real reason

[warm crag]

or if its m+ is not being first = last for u or cause we will just never be casters

[static rock]

Then where are the nerfs for the other classes?

[vocal gazelle]

Just saying, give fury a lust, and I'd be happy

[south kayak]

I disagree but I understand why you think so

it's still really bad for M+

[edgy widget]

a lot of classes have been nerfed

[meager void]

I wrote: "they tune and then ask feedback from some peers about it, like Archi" as opposed to it being "omg so many teens writing forum posts, lets buff"

[south kayak]

since they're doing all this tuning for raid

and it hurts M+

[sullen dove]

How bout every aoe on every class capped to 5

[edgy widget]

I mean that's not exactly how it works either

[sullen dove]

sounds good to me

[rotund ginkgo]

archi ur a peer now :3

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-whisper-gif-12885727699634157398

[barren coral]

is it worth using crushing blow when not enraged?

[static rock]

Ah yes, nerf the arcane mage, and let it stay there near the top still

[south kayak]

That is true but there are still some classes way ahead of others like FDK, arcane or enhancement

[hazy spruce]

Wouldn’t you say that terrible would be something that’s on the lower end of damage… And something would be considered good if it’s on the upper end… And right now we are on the lower end?

[restive peak]

I can confirm Archi has had some great, great ideas that blizz straight ignored, he is def not dictating any of this lol

[edgy widget]

and Fury is still going to be near the top in burst AoE post nerf, so what's the difference?

[edgy widget]

Fury is on the low end of ST, that's not the low end of everything

[low folio]

the nerf really doesnt have an actual reason that is good

[edgy widget]

of course it does

[south kayak]

Our burst being great is cool and all but the damage after the burst isn't

[edgy widget]

honestly you have to be willfully ignorant if you can't tell why they wanna reduce Fury's high target burst

[weary sail]

Arcane was nerf and still #2. FDK nerfs where? Fury nerfs from #1 => #26

[ashen socket]

I think what people are butthurt about is the fact that fire mage was clearly middle of the pack and fury was in the top 3 and to see fury get nerfed to lower mid and fire buffed to the top deffo gives a cringe feeling since their goal should be to have everyone balanced and towards middle of the pack, That said fire mage went a record breaking 2 weeks without buffs so

[edgy widget]

that's not at all accurate

[restive peak]

It is still very possible the nerf is just a portion of the changes we're getting too

[fading bane]

for 4 bosses out of 8, where rashannan adds are removed

[vocal gazelle]

Clearly you're at fault! (Sarcasm) Go get a job at Blizzard instead of making those changes outside of the company!

[edgy widget]

Fury dropped on WCL because WarcraftLogs decided to stop ranking Rasha'nan correctly
that has nothing to do with Blizzard tuning

[fading bane]

its so skewed its insane

[warm crag]

yeah thats kind of how burst classes go no? have u seen venthyr boomies in their prime ??

[fading bane]

HC logs are more accurate than Mythic atm

[south kayak]

Holy lmao, I just remebered that

[fading bane]

for general spec power

[calm island]

if you dont do high end m+ the nerfs wont matter to you. But for people who push higher keys its a huge stab in the gut

[south kayak]

that was insane

[static rock]

would you rather have 10 million all at once, or 15 million over the course of a fight, massive burst aoe has no real place except for killing something fast, which can't happen at a 10+

[warm crag]

burst is inarguably a really good damage pattern to have

[edgy widget]

then complain to blizz about design, not tuning

[clever path]

its so over

[restive peak]

I will say the only reason I'm bothered is M+ tuning, that is accurate

For raid we're still very good

[spare steppe]

^

[fading bane]

nice flipflop

[restive peak]

And for M+ we're still very good as well, the nerfs will hurt in 11.0.5 though

I didn't flipflop

[spare steppe]

ST we still suck tbf

[restive peak]

I still think we have severe design issues

[grave lark]

I'm just kinda grumped because they've nerfed fury three times with no ST boost

[clever path]

imagine catching more nerfs when the chart looks like this

[sullen dove]

burst aoe doesn’t mean shit for m+ just some raid fights

[clever path]

is the crushing force crit dmg change still going live on PTR?

[spare steppe]

but our CDs just line up perfectly for some of these fights

[dense elbow]

Archi states his opinion, suddenly we are fine and the nerfs are ok

[edgy widget]

Yeah it is an annoyance for M+, but guess what

• Fury wasn't best in M+ in the first place
• Fury won't be worst after nerfs anyway
• 10 target pulls aren't that common to begin with
• the nerf has no effect on pulls <6 targets

[clever path]

unironically bottom 6 XD

[south kayak]

and dungeon boss fights

[ashen socket]

SMF being a talent 🙂

[sullen dove]

it’s already a meme when ppl sim 5 target 20 second “why would you care how high you burst bro”

but now burst is good

[restive peak]

The 10 target pulls are increasing Archi, Equinox is a mad man D:

[vestal root]

Just cleave with arms tbh

[edgy widget]

you get instances of 10 target burst, yeah, but you don't get 10 target pulls very often

[hazy spruce]

You are seeing these Warcraft logs though right? You see how we’re almost dead last and overall damaged… And we are over 20% less in single target? Can you point out a class that is weaker than us?

[dire badge]

But guys the logs rankings guys

[warm crag]

swordish i simmed 2 billion targets 10 second burst and the abyssal trap sims highest should i follow sim?

[edgy widget]

again, that's because WCL decided to stop attributing Rasha'nan correctly, see: #updates-midnight

[dense elbow]

overall is scuffed, cause wlogs is hiding adds and jazz. Its kinda weird.

[fading bane]

cant belive fury ST is the worst in game

[restive peak]

My issue is that the outliers are insanely good outliers in all content

[south kayak]

muh rankings

[sullen dove]

HELL YEAH

GET THOSE ANSUREK WEBS

[warm crag]

lets gooo!!!!!!

[vestal root]

Nerf gnome

[south kayak]

And is most likely getting nerfs

[warm crag]

dont u immune most of them in mythic?

[weary sail]

Delete SMF

[dire badge]

nice clear multiboxing two warriors

[static rock]

you should

[hazy spruce]

But if those ads lived longer… Wouldn’t you agree that we would still be in the same situation where we’re at now? We’re only performing well because of raid design.

[meager void]

This is why Blizz dev would never want to get feedback from some of you.

[cedar depot]

Buff Fury

[burnt kelp]

who does blizzard want feedback from

[dense elbow]

Well, we perform within the raid design, so ye

[edgy widget]

has nothing to do with how long they live, and since when is "performing well due to raid design" a bad thing? like what kind of argument even is that

[plain ember]

its a bad thing bc of m+ imo

but im just a m+er so

[hazy spruce]

It’s a perfect argument… Next raid may not favor us… And the balancing issues will bleed through.

[grave lark]

Being nerfed because of raid design is ick

[dire badge]

[dense elbow]

If you talking raid; we will be reblanaced for it then

[tropic helm]

Hence why they balance each patch

[young swan]

[dense elbow]

dont worry about raid

[edgy widget]

next raid will have completely different changes and tuning, and we don't know what the raid will be like yet

[signal gyro]

Guys there’s always gonna be a bottom, and I’m not feeling like being a top today anyway. 🍑

[static rock]

B/c they are implying that good at raid is good for everything else

[south kayak]

IT will be fully ST bosses and fury will be dead last

[edgy widget]

Fury is objectively good at M+ too

[runic violet]

I need to go to bed.... but i want to loot before

[weary sail]

Maybe next patch boys

[wind torrent]

AYO

[weary sail]

Back to being mediocre

[south kayak]

[plain ember]

its okay

[runic violet]

Fury is objectively good at M+????

[edgy widget]

anyway, yeah... I get the idea of nerfs is upsetting, and I do think they should compensate it with some minor ST buffs, but half of you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and I don't have time to spoonfeed it to each of you one by one, so I'm going to go back to doing something more productive with my life

[coarse nest]

A guild isn’t going to look at how well you add pad anyway so there is zero reason to care about Rashan wcl changes

[grave lark]

real

[dire badge]

real and true even

[edgy widget]

(which is playing Space Marine 2 btw, pew pew)

[dense elbow]

Definition is that we can perform well, and we are not being a detriment. So not bad or evil, so good.

[plain ember]

i mean im just bitching cause i wanted to main fury for my title push

[south kayak]

What do you do in your spare time?

[plain ember]

now i gotta main fdk

[crude ridge]

Can't wait to try and push keys only for my group to scream at me when only 5 targets are getting damaged in a 6, 7 or 8+ pull.

[south kayak]

How is that going?

[ashen socket]

To be fair though history generally leads fury to being weaker in st. Which is fine cause we have giga aoe but it does feel bad at times.

[restive peak]

I think too many people are maybe misunderstanding me or others, and it's causing more issues, so my bad if I was part of that. But my personal issue is with the massive discrepancys in strength, not furys itself

[edgy widget]

It'd be going a lot better if you'd stop pointlessly pinging me every 5s

[spare steppe]

Is it any good? Bunch of friends want me to play

[south kayak]

[grave lark]

real

[restive peak]

We're quite strong, M+ and raid, and we have a place, but I think the constant attention on us while enh/fdk/arcane run free is what really drives me nuts

[spare steppe]

Sorry for the ping

[south kayak]

Sorry

[reef knoll]

someone's got a case of the tuesdays

[hasty tide]

Out of curiosity if you had the ability to balance fury to your specifications (within the scope of this tier) what would you change about it to make it relatively competitive in most content but not OP?

[plain ember]

any cindygosa enjoyers

[restive peak]

They can leave us completely unbuffed if they close the gap across all the specs

[static rock]

I feel like we are chris from everyone hates chris

[spare steppe]

Something about an axe to reapers mark

[vocal gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-fuckin-a-neighbor-gif-15179152

[weary sail]

Im counting the days till FDK get nerf

[ashen socket]

its really jarring that those top specs are running free, And I love to play fdk

[south kayak]

Same

[static rock]

I want that number to be 0, smh

[restive peak]

Well it's just close the gap, yaknow? Cuz even with FDK, if they nerf FDK across the board it's dead

[tiny seal]

keep counting lil bro

[edgy widget]

nerf FDK, double the value of Fury's tier (~+2.5% ST/Cleave), and restore Unhinged cleave

[restive peak]

They just need AOE nerfs

[restive peak]

^

[edgy widget]

and tell WCL to stop fucking with parses

[queen linden]

^

[south kayak]

Fuck WCL man

[coarse nest]

Oh shit I figured it out!
They tuned us around the 15% we’ll get from fyralath

[runic violet]

we are nothing but just add blaster XD

[coarse nest]

[dense elbow]

For the love of all, this

[feral ivy]

I think imo I could be wrong is ppl are mad that we are nerf and wondering why to keep playing warrrior if other classes are just better in every aspect that are not getting touched

[subtle cypress]

oh i see maint got delayed again, last i looked it was 2pm east now 3pm east

[plain ember]

just u guys wait till i get my shadowmourne

[south kayak]

Some snowflake decided to remove adds from rashanan after they couldn't burst

waah

[hazy spruce]

We’re above middle of the pack in aoe. And dead last in st…. Feels like shit.

[coarse nest]

Probably warlock main

[median dust]

did

[hasty tide]

Forgot about the unhinged "nerf" would be solid with the tier bonus. Very reasonable tuning imo.

[humble plover]

Just play DK or ret

[weary sail]

when is FDK nerf btw

[vocal gazelle]

I wanna feel like Samuel L Jackson when I play fury

[dense elbow]

RIght now we are fine, not great, we are fine. After nerf we still fine. Not great, but fine.
They remove 20% of our damage, we still fine, not great. But fine.

[cerulean gyro]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-nerub-ar-palace-dps-rankings-the-war-within-season-1-week-3-347348

[fading bane]

ty bro

[cedar depot]

idc about raid performance, but getting key invites already sucks as warrior

[weary sail]

cant wait for DK tears when DKs are nerfed

[young swan]

i havent had any trouble

[dire badge]

I expect ce before next reset gamer

🫡

[warm crag]

speak for yourself

[summer quail]

even if frost gets nerfed they still have unholy. unholy op as well

[median dust]

I feel like it's always.. "We are fine and in a good state right now" while other classes skyrocket ahead of us. lol. Why can't we ever be better than "Fine"

[cedar depot]

I am speaking for myself, anyone with a brain cell would choose ret over war

[dense elbow]

Just dont get it mixed up with being the less optimal pick overall as DPS. You are 1 in a 1000 options. To get in, you got to be top 1%

[unreal onyx]

with all those sockes everyone wants spongiewarr

[cerulean gyro]

Damn look at our dps rankings, 20 spots down 6th last on overall and last on boss damage holy

[young swan]

getting key invites is the same as its always been, big io + big ilvl

[median dust]

Someone has to be top. Why not fury for once.

[cedar edge]

literally anytime we eat everyone cries

[static rock]

Fine is the best we're allowed to

[weary sail]

and FDK, and Assa, and Enh

[edgy widget]

-20% from TR and OF vs 10 targets is not even close to the same thing as -20% damage

[warm crag]

it is crazy that the former r1 ansurek fury parse was sponsored

[vestal root]

fury has crazy mobility and very fun playstyle and all these fdks and rets y'all moan about dont have that so shut it

[cedar depot]

exactly TY, pretending like warrior has more value than other classes is funny

[signal gyro]

I don’t think Archi can explain this another 8 or 9 times so just scroll up 🤣

[unreal onyx]

aug will always be in the meta m+ comp bc it will buff the broken classes even more

[weary sail]

also, drums is still goddamn 7k gold a pop wtf

[cerulean gyro]

Can you link me?

would be appreciated

[dense elbow]

sigh you usually not like this. Clearly it is a gradual process of this is fine, this is fine, this is fine. Untill: you reach that point.

No, I am not saying it is the next balance patch

[sullen dove]

Wow that’s some impressive diversity

[reef knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[spare steppe]

Wcl is going to nerf queen mark my words

[sullen dove]

Yellow AND orange class

[median dust]

Just sim it. Unless the math isn't workin in your favor. lol

[edgy widget]

I don't even know what that sentence means, but I'd advise you to watch your attitude
it's not a 20% nerf, it's -20% damage to two abilities in a very specific circumstance - those are not the same thing

[static rock]

Honestly surprised they didn't do it already with the rasharan wcl nerf

[coarse nest]

I’m telling y’all, anytime it’s to hard for the warlocks to pad on the adds WCL removes them from ranking

[reef knoll]

it currently isn't bad enough for some of the reactions yall are having

[runic violet]

what's going on

[sullen dove]

Yea you will never play again

[dense elbow]

I give up

[calm quartz]

Xalatath is fucking with the servers

[edgy widget]

good, we'd all be better off if you spoke less

[dense elbow]

archi not reading what I wrote

[shut onyx]

the flow of maintenance is convoluted

[edgy widget]

I read what you wrote and it was fucking nonsense

[cedar edge]

oh hes mad mad

[spare steppe]

they stated that people wouldn't joke around on the final boss but the logic applies

[edgy widget]

which is why I corrected you

[cedar edge]

bros ego hitting the moon

[static rock]

Small little nerfs that chip away a small bit at a time until there's nothing left is what he's saying

[sullen dove]

who cares about nerfs if servers come up in $)€>%*@-‘’€¥~+

[signal gyro]

I legitimately wonder if wclogs didn’t skew data the way it has this raid if people would still be banging on this hard, because we’d “look like” we’re in a better position than right now

[edgy widget]

that's not what he said, he made a very specific statement which was incorrect

[feral ivy]

Ngl even if we to bottom of m+ dmg I’m still playing fury warrior idk why but just having fun hurting my fingers

[dense elbow]

I am glad Feris gets it

[spare steppe]

it would change how a lot of classes look

[edgy widget]

They remove 20% of our damage, is not an accurate statement

regardless of what else you may have meant to imply

[median dust]

People can twist it anyway they want and say it's fine. A class that augments dps does more than a dps class on boss dps. gtfo with the 100 explanations.

[dense elbow]

I am sorry you dont get it. It is fine.

[runic violet]

I just want my warrior to end up in ... maybe 2700? at the end of season without resorting to arms. Arms rotation is god awful righgt now... fire that guy

[spare steppe]

mages would be lower, dks/enh would be higher

fury would be much much higher

[queen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gossip-listening-suspense-drama-gif-13117366258359790345

[spare steppe]

BM would be lower

[edgy widget]

You're one more snide comment from a ban
What you meant to imply is irrelevant, you stated there was a 20% nerf, and I corrected you - it's not a 20% nerf, and stating that, whether implicit to your intent or not, is misleading and riles people up who don't know better

[static rock]

You replied to the message saying this is fine, this is fine, this is fine; until you reach that point. Which is what I was pointing out

[restive peak]

I mean you can easily get 2700

[summer quail]

you'll be fine then

[spare steppe]

arms would be lower

[plain ember]

colo in m+ is fairly fun

[runic violet]

I've been solo so far... 2400

[queen linden]

Feel like getting 2200 is a real challenge. Pug wise.

[runic violet]

hopefully 2500this week

[plain ember]

can pug most of the 10s and 11s with the exception of siege and grim

[median dust]

it's better when you say that and end with "donut". way better

[restive peak]

DPS will always sit in queue a long time, it's not because you're a warrior

[feral ivy]

All I want is to high 3300 io this season I got 3200 but I want 100 more

[restive peak]

It's an important thing to remember

[plain ember]

siege and grim i have yet to see a pug time

[fiery hare]

nobody wants to do dungeons with 3 melee

[edgy widget]

that's not entirely true

[fiery hare]

so top picvks will be ret fdk

[edgy widget]

some dungeons its ok with, and who said there's always a Ret/FDK/Rogue/whatever apping to the same keys? I can't remember the last time I saw an enh lmao

[restive peak]

Like go post your +10...you will legit get 60+ DPS apps within a few minutes

[feral ivy]

Are you talking about pugs in m+?

[static rock]

I feel like you gotta use your own key or just not do keys

[vale reef]

3300io is not the same as it was last expansion

[runic violet]

there are dungeons u really don't want more than 1 or 2 melees.

[fiery hare]

ye true some are ok

but

[proper onyx]

You get into 9-10 pugs petty easily at 625

[plain ember]

do not do 3 melee on kara last boss 😂

[fiery hare]

as soon as i see ret fdk i dont bother queuing

[restive peak]

Yes, you get upwards to 60+ DPS apps within 2mins of posting a 9/10

[sour abyss]

That one's reserved for me 🙂 I'm the donut

[queen linden]

Did that yesterday with a tank buddy. Successfully pushed my 8 to 10, then bricked it 3 times back to a 7. Loving it 😉

[restive peak]

So people perceive it as "Oh I'm a warrior so they hate me"

When in reality it's just too many DPSers apping

[plain ember]

yeah if u list a 9/10

[median dust]

I got into every heroic dungeon i que for. idk

[feral ivy]

True only if it’s mist,ara, or dawn .. easy dungeons lol

[plain ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sausage-fest-hot-dog-gif-14785205

dps players whenu list a 9

[runic violet]

I've seen some 620 raiders had no idea what to do in M+

[vocal siren]

I just need to find a tank bud

who here wants to be my M+ bud

[fiery hare]

but ppl that have over 620 ilvl are mythic raiders no?

[edgy widget]

I've seen some 2600 players completely shit the bed in M+

[summer quail]

and people are undergeared. i get into keys coz my gear is high, why would you invite a 618 if you can invite someoen that's 624?

[restive peak]

Enh really isn't a problem til upper tier btw, most mid tier enhance players are SOOO BAD lol

[static rock]

Until you try q-ing for 7s at 2400 for an hour and still nothing

[runic violet]

simps pay

[proper onyx]

I just mean like I got the neck off mythic rash and that lvl change made it go from 50 declines in a row to maybe getting into 1/3 groups

[edgy widget]

we pugged a Rogue for 10 grim and he was an absolute idiot yapper

[restive peak]

I mean everyone has had a bad key as well, sometimes you roll the bad dice all day

[plain ember]

tbh if you grind your io up 1 key lvl at a time u will not have problems getting into keys as warrior at least up to 10

[restive peak]

But noone here who has pushed can say they haven't absolutely int'd a key before

[hasty tide]

Tbh I'm tempted to relearn prot to make the pug life more enjoyable lol, regardless if we are actually as bad as we are dooming or not the perception for meta hungry teams will always be there

[faint whale]

That might have been my rogue friend. I am sorry Archi

[summer quail]

that's me in siege. always int that key

[runic violet]

I had the worst +10 GB yesterday.... the healer was all talk... and just couldn't heal itself.

[plain ember]

real

[feral ivy]

THE AMOUNT OF PPL that don’t understand how to push defensives in m+ or to point orb away from the closest wall(dawn orb captain) is fucken outrageous

[warm crag]

620 is just crest upgrade from all 613 m+ gear should be attainable from just m+

[signal gyro]

Every key is bad for me

[edgy widget]

got himself yeeted off the bridge by a dragon then complained at others for LoSing, kept yelling to pull Molten Giants before they were stunned, complained about resetting the 2nd boss so we could kill said giants, etc

[restive peak]

[runic violet]

I spent nearly an hour on the last boss of +10 gb .... it turned out to be the healer wasn't repairing...

[edgy widget]

and then he fucked up the 2nd boss bait, pulled a bunch of extra shit and left the key after we wiped

[wind torrent]

i did too and he hit vanished while fixated on 3rd boss and i was dpsing his fixate add and it killed me

[fiery hare]

possible ,i still got 593 sac :D.and im 616,so i guess theres that

[edgy widget]

like there are shit players everywhere lol

[hasty tide]

How do you fuck up the bait on the giant lol

[plain ember]

and good players can just come in ur key and have an off one and int u

[edgy widget]

by not paying attention

[warm crag]

have you tried looting it

[south kayak]

the worst is when a tank comes in

pulls

and dies

then leaves

[plain ember]

321 combo

[fiery hare]

no luck 😄

[runic violet]

I had that... but it was more like BR connection

[fiery hare]

guess thats what i get for getting grim batol one

[proper onyx]

Had a tank do that in a 10 sv after trying to pull entire first hall without even discussing with group

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-easy-latam-doerhamy-gif-25948098

[plain ember]

had a 2750 healer in key unable to heal a 10 boss /shrug

[feral ivy]

First week tank did that in necro 7 pulled first 4 packs and necromancer we wiped he left

[south kayak]

how did those peopel get that far

[warm crag]

that is a normal pull tho

[runic violet]

Dawnbreaker +10 def timeable.... tank kept disconnecting.

[calm quartz]

I am the perfect player

[runic violet]

Azralon power

[calm quartz]

[restive peak]

That's the pull bruh

People are at the point in 10s where they expect the group to know routes

[plush herald]

Sounds like a 2750 dps/tank that queued as a healer. I had a 2600 healer in a 9 that couldn't heal anything. Looked up the RIO and was all as a tank lol

[restive peak]

And it's a fair assumption

[plain ember]

yeah first hallway with lust seems standard

[median dust]

I'm voting for Trump because he promised to make Fury great again. Saw it on tik tok live

[south kayak]

lmao

[proper onyx]

I don’t think starting with 6 packs when you can’t tank them is the move lol

[static rock]

Like the first 3 packs, or all the way to boss into next room?

[plain ember]

yeah was evoker so maybe carried by aug

[restive peak]

I mean it's the pull though

[proper onyx]

All the way

[static rock]

jesus

[restive peak]

Unless you mean all the golems pre boss as well

[plain ember]

O_O

[restive peak]

Then he's bad

[runic violet]

Vote Trump, I'm here for the circus 🙂

[fiery hare]

for the organized grps prolly,i wouldnt do that in pug until we see few pulls in how ppl do

[proper onyx]

Everything possible

[plain ember]

the golems too? man is crazy

[restive peak]

Oh well yeah, that's just...why

[clever belfry]

meow

[static rock]

That's like an MDI pull or something

[lucid crater]

Curious if anyone has noticed a bug when you press Rampage you don't get CB+BB? Happens VERY rarely, but annoying when does.

No clue on repro.

[restive peak]

I thought you just meant the hallway, we're starting to tinker w the hallway and 1 of the 1st 3 packs

[fading bane]

dead tonight

[plain ember]

yeah i was like

MAYBE one of the golem packs w/ hallway

[restive peak]

Nerfed brood gonna be so fun to run over

THANK GOD

[median dust]

That's a pretty normal pull no? I thought it was.

[proper onyx]

If it’s just first 3 I would love as fury lol

[fading bane]

gonna feel like shit if we dont kill prenerf

[modest condor]

your rampage got parried

[restive peak]

Yeah I'm mad, everyone phoned it in last night and basically just wanted to wait for nerfs

[south kayak]

hope you kill it post nerf

[restive peak]

And they played like it

[fading bane]

fuk u

[restive peak]

I hate killing post nerf, but I also truly don't enjoy this boss so

[south kayak]

[fading bane]

its not a good boss

[proper onyx]

First 3 would be fine

[warm crag]

oly moly

[restive peak]

Kyveza is gonna be a banger

Cannot wait

[plain ember]

[lucid crater]

Lmao. That explains it. Does it do one parry check? There's 4 hits. Kinda sucks. Good to know though.

[queen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-gif-24439865

[plain ember]

😂

[warm crag]

maybe i demand the first boss trinket so i have more hp than tanks on kyveza

[rapid igloo]

what % boost do you get from 2pc to 4pc

[modest condor]

yeah just checks once, either the whole ability gets parried or it doesnt

[feral ivy]

Do yall think the maint is because of this

[rapid igloo]

Like is it worth for me to catalyst lower tier pieces

[plain ember]

also the 2nd boss can parry but often forces u to be in front

[south kayak]

is there a reason to play thane over slayer in high keys

[lucid crater]

Tyvm

[plain ember]

very triggering

[restive peak]

We're not at the point of that yet I don't think

[proper onyx]

What the hell is a soft nerf buff? Oh a buff to the weekly damage buff?

[plain ember]

i mean having tyran and fort in every key makes slayer a lot more appealing

[warm crag]

hc track is incredibly farmable from m+ with friends/guildies i wouldnt cata anything under that

[south kayak]

what poin

t

[warm crag]

unless you literally wont be able to finish 7s any time soon then do whatever

[plain ember]

big enough pulls to justify the TC aoe over the slayer boss damage

[south kayak]

Right

[vocal siren]

can one of u ping me

[restive peak]

The weekly 3% buff

[vocal siren]

when servers are live

[south kayak]

No

[south kayak]

Thought you were responding to me regarding thane vs slayer in high key

lol

mb

[plain ember]

oh yeah lmao when is the ICC buff going live? is that this week?

[south kayak]

no clue

[vocal siren]

a month after

[modest condor]

18% is actually kinda insane

[vocal siren]

has it been a month

[cedar depot]

im sensing another hour extension

[eager thorn]

What difficulties is the weekly buff for

[weary sail]

LFR

[feral ivy]

It can’t be lfr

[restive peak]

Then we REALLY PARSE SILMY

[weary sail]

People been wiping on LFR too much cuz they cant do buddy mechanics on court

[modest condor]

was thinking more about late CE guild prog

[feral ivy]

Lfr already has determination

[modest condor]

take rashok for example, if a world rank 2k guild had 18% more damage and healing that boss probably would have died in 1/4th the pulls it did

[weary sail]

I wiped on first boss on LFR 4 times because i was the only one throwing food at him

[sick jungle]

Bro i dunno why people are so stupid

I was in a hc pug and half the raid was hitting an immune boss

[trail bane]

Good thing frost is getting buffed while fury is getting nerfed

[weary sail]

You literally do 0 dmg to boss anyway whats the point of padding

[feral ivy]

I just wonder if I do normal grab 8 can I use the quest and buff for mythic or is it that raid level only

[proper onyx]

You can ask people why they hitting an immune boss in most mythic groups lol “I’m lining my cds”

[weary sail]

Where did Fire Mage come from all of the sudden to #1

[restive peak]

Blizzards fav

[frank dawn]

wait fire is actually a blaster now? when did that happen lol

[sick jungle]

Lmao i decided to try putting mythic last night, and the first group i got into the raid leader was 603 and they said, i quote 'if you have done this on normal this should be easy lets get it'

[fervent yoke]

Wait more nerf???!

[sick jungle]

Pugging

[restive peak]

Tbf for ulgrax he's not wrong LOL

[humble plover]

Dw we're in a good spot. At the bottom where we should be

[floral frigate]

Nice Volvo, I pugged mythic first boss like 20 pulls wasnt bad

[restive peak]

3 buffs in a row to a heavily scaling spec that then receives aug+PI makes that happen my dude

[sick jungle]

I gave up after that lmao

[proper onyx]

Ulgrax does have the new mechanic of a beam you can’t eat now though, pug killer xD

[restive peak]

Fire just giga fucks ST and ignite is free AOE

[sick jungle]

Half the raid wiped on first soak

[fervent yoke]

Fury got giga fucked

[restive peak]

LOL

[trail bane]

Warcraftlogs just removed Rashanan from log dmg and fury falls 20 places

Its almost as if we werent overpowered

Just good at padding

[runic violet]

10 more minutes till another extenstion

[trail bane]

Totally warrented a 3% aura nerf

[subtle cypress]

10 minutes bois, we getting delayed?

I need to do some mediocre aoe damage and poor single target damage

[brazen island]

what is the reason? sorry i'm just not really understanding what meaning you could possibly derive from killing literally the only role we were filling

[weary sail]

Mage has been meta in M+ for like the past 10+ seasons

[trail bane]

Poor single target is overselling it

[granite frigate]

who would have thought fury was getting bad after adds take more than 6 seconds to die (litterally everyone)

[runic violet]

aug aug

[shut onyx]

In a way we're #1

[dim pecan]

Not to say we have great ST, but do you think fury warriors are prioritizing boss dmg on all the fights over the last week?

[shut onyx]

The base of the pyramid, the most important strata

[brazen island]

so to recap, we do the lowest ST, we bring the least utility, and do mid overall damage. can anyone explain what role we fill now?

[spare steppe]

jesus servers maintenance extended again

[sick jungle]

No way

[spare steppe]

yup 1pm PST now

[weary sail]

why is maintenance even longer than last week

[prime summit]

can we get both AM and RA please blizzard

thanks amen

[dim pecan]

Im sure its still very low even on a ST specific boss though

[trail bane]

No, but even if you look at pure single target bosses are dead last

[shut onyx]

tis true

[dim pecan]

yea, tough life lol

[sick jungle]

Holy fuck

[proper onyx]

Battle shout

[runic violet]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[rotund steppe]

fck me

[rotund steppe]

what did they fucked up

[sick jungle]

Blizz is just fucking sad

[brazen island]

5% physical damage increase is what fury warriors bring? you mean the shout that prot and Arms also bring?

[prime summit]

prolly fucked the raid encounters they tuned

[trail bane]

We are dead last and 20% behind BM on Sikran

[proper onyx]

Yep, that’s all we got. Sad life

[runic violet]

It's like 3+ days worth of maintenance in a month. NICE GOING!

[low folio]

have they ever explained why they take so long to push out the maintenance

[brazen island]

yeah so that's still "the least utility of any melee spec in the game" (barring maybe Surv hunters)

[shut onyx]

they forget to close the windows so the server room is flooded every week

[trail bane]

They could buff our single target dps 15% and we would be 4th

[shut onyx]

big mess

[dim pecan]

yea, not great lol

[shut onyx]

team of 10 engineers mopping the floor

[low folio]

wish eu was forced to suffer the na maintenances

[calm quartz]

HOW IS IT EXTENDED ANOTHER HOUR

[low folio]

just to spread the suffering

[calm quartz]

embarrassing

[low folio]

make everyone unhappy

[runic violet]

just another hour? Let's go tomorrow

[proper onyx]

Blizz just screwed up and has no way to buff fury st without also buffing slayer because they can’t figure out any st talents to give us that aren’t execute based

[shut onyx]

slam damage increased 3%

[spiral orbit]

auto attacks

[slim grotto]

ya slam my head against my keyboard

[brazen island]

@edgy widget can you respond to this please so that we can understand why Fury is "in a good spot"

instead of just telling us to relax

[uneven plaza]

we just need to zugzug harder

[scarlet swift]

Pushed back another hour? Bro are the servers in Israel? theres no excuse

[nocturne dragon]

we are still in beta phase

[torpid sand]

THEY EXTENDED

AGAIN

[red berry]

what even are they doing today that needs this much odwntime

[torpid sand]

HOLY SHIT

[calm quartz]

guys warbands hard, pls understand

[rigid stirrup]

server meltdown lets fuckin go

[sinful spoke]

chat i guess NA doesnt get to play the game

[slim grotto]

fury is still barely playable so they need another hour to rebalance and completely gut us

[restive peak]

He has a life and will see your initial ping when he's back bro, jesus

[left warren]

its hard maintaining that trading post

[vestal root]

EU has no issues

[scarlet swift]

Warriors nerfed so hard the servers said "no, revert it"

[sick jungle]

Lmao last time i was in here complaining about maintenance extension someone told me to get a job

[sinful spoke]

now they get to experience what playing a fury dps applying to keys is like

[sick jungle]

Wheres that loser now

[torpid sand]

THEY NEED 6 HOURS JUST TO NERF FURY

[pulsar quest]

Im sorry bro, this much downtime for maintenance is just not acceptable lol

They have to give out game time for this

This is like 20 hours in 3 weeks

[rigid stirrup]

but fr some of yall need something better to do with your time than to complain about extended maintence

go for a walk

[calm quartz]

Fixed the Guild bug immediately when it happened to Liquid

[brazen island]

tbh forgot that replies ping, so that was me doing a real ping my b

[pulsar quest]

Dumbest reply known to man

[calm quartz]

Guess theyll fix the invis puddlesin Mists when it happens in MDI

[sick jungle]

Found him

[small shadow]

gl on vault boys!! ❤️

[tiny hare]

they should just give game time back

lmao

[subtle cypress]

My banner still says 12 PDT

[calm quartz]

a free day or 2 atleast at this point

xdd

[restive peak]

You know, some people have jobs that don't align with a 9-5 schedule, or monday to friday schedule, and that's the reason they're on right now right?

@rigid stirrup

[rigid stirrup]

yeah I get that and I'm one of those people

but its literally something you cant control

[narrow narwhal]

Clean your bathroom or something

[scarlet swift]

yeah, clean my bathroom for me

[pulsar quest]

Oh wow, my one day of work off this week and theres an all day maintenance! I should just get a job!

[icy stream]

Yea Tuesday is always my time I can play during the day but always down

[brazen island]

i don't understand the mindset of someone who feels we shouldn't hold billion dollar companies to a real standard

[restive peak]

So I got up at 5:45 for clients, lifted, cleaned my house. People are allowed to be annoyed when every 45mins it's another hour

[feral ivy]

I’m living a Dolly Parton song right now … WORKING 9 to 5

[pulsar quest]

My fault I already did all my errands today because its 3 PM AND I DONT RUN ERRANDS ALL DAY

[runic violet]

THEY APOLOGIZE BOIS!

[clever path]

i just wanna play....

[verbal dragon]

blizzard is so fucking stupiid

[proper onyx]

We can’t control it, but after a month straight of this happening and EU having 1hr maintenance there is obviously something Blizz could do to control it

[restive peak]

Do you ever complain about the gas prices? Do you complain about weather if it ruins your weekend plans?

[narrow narwhal]

Run more errands

[verbal dragon]

this jshit is so dumb

[tropic helm]

Probably shouldn't have a dayoff on tuesday lol

[verbal kestrel]

the servers are down to deploy undocumented fury st buffs

[restive peak]

The answer is yes, if you're honest

All things you can't control

Get off the high horse attitude

[rigid stirrup]

no because I can't control either and I drive a fuel efficent car lmao

[pulsar quest]

Yeah i'll let my job know not to schedule my days off on WoW maint days

[verbal dragon]

same

[rigid stirrup]

its not being on a high horse its just having the "it is what it is" mentality

[runic violet]

I think Blizzard is in decline.

[dull cloak]

do we pay monthley fee for the weather?

[restive peak]

Right, I'm sure if we called your friends and family, they'd say "KINO HAS NEVER COMPLAINED ONCE EVERY HE'S AN ANGEL"

[nocturne dragon]

I complain a lot about weather for sure because you know if raining can't get the clothes to dry.

[proper onyx]

Grocery bill

[restive peak]

I'm agreeing with people complaining bruh, re-holster the weapon

[restive peak]

Fax bro, and my sheep won't go outside

[tiny hare]

its fair to complain about somethin you are paying for

[subtle cypress]

Im gonna have to start complaining about being told to not complain

[weary sail]

delay maintenance until EU reset, finally we have global release

[dull cloak]

ah k sry just tiltet with the fury nervs 😦 giving a cookie

[elder vessel]

dog how is the server still not up

[pulsar quest]

get a job buddy

[runic violet]

Like I said.. it will be tomorrow

[shut onyx]

I'm calling blizzard and asking to talk with the manager

[elder vessel]

jokes on you i get payed while im off

[pulsar quest]

!!!!

[elder vessel]

so YOU get a BETTER job

[pulsar quest]

Not possible!!

[edgy widget]

because it doesn't kill that role, Fury is egregiously strong in those specific situations it nerfs, and will still be good after

[weary sail]

find a job where u can play wow and shit talk on discord at work

[runic violet]

I bet they have some kind of bug... that they can't fix.

[feral ivy]

Damnit now gotta google fucken egregiously

[runic violet]

they recently fired a lot.

[sick jungle]

they're proven they don't care about broken shit, just look at all the shit people lost with guild banks

[runic violet]

No, I mean like... critical stuff

[pulsar quest]

Yeah fury it just straight up great on like every fight because of how they are inherently

[narrow narwhal]

Watch it be a lost guild bank fix

[cedar depot]

they are obviously spending more time placing pumpkins in stormwind

[granite frigate]

so basicly its good for 2 fights in the raid and should just sit between these 2 encounters?

good thinking

nothing to fix guys

[idle ember]

working in software i really just don't comprehend how there isn't some sort of pre production process for testing the new releases

[narrow narwhal]

6/8 encounters have some sort of adds that need to be exploded asap

[edgy widget]

not what I said, but the complaint was the nerf, not the lack of buffs

[sick jungle]

5/8 because rashananana doesn't count anymore

[median dust]

So we are like a 3rd down running back now.. Never really a great running back.. Just a decent niche one. It's over for us boys.

[cedar depot]

its probably because we pay during the downtime regardless, if it was a bank the outage would be up in less than an hour

[fervent yoke]

I think there’s a lot of frustration in here bc people are mad they can’t top meters with two buttons on fury

[narrow narwhal]

Idgaf about rash parses

They still need to be exploded

[proper onyx]

Its 3/8 even if you included rash adds

[sick jungle]

incorrect

[subtle cypress]

Well i am above average whelmed right now

[sick jungle]

go ST

[edgy widget]

if that's your perspective, then it was over from the start and this change in fact does affect nothing

[rigid stirrup]

I mean if you want me to be honest then yeah I don't complain about much. I'm usually the person in the friend group/family that takes charge of the situation. The only time I ever complain is when people don't listen to me and then I end up being right. People can complain all they want in discord but at what point do you just say fuck it and just do something else till servers are up.

[sick jungle]

never

[median dust]

A lot of 3rd down backs were starters in college. sad times....

[proper onyx]

You’re literally complaining about people complaining lol

[cedar depot]

Reducing target cap does nothing because tanks suck and dont pull more than 5 mobs unless MDI

[sick jungle]

i need you to stay in here and complain with us

[restive peak]

So you get annoyed after repetitive annoyances yeah? Kind of like people being annoyed on the third extend of the day?

Glad we unraveled that web.

I am very similar to you, there's a point where being annoyed/frustrated becomes validated.

[tired brook]

fourth extend just dropped…….

[sick jungle]

we taking bets on whether there will be a wednesday maintenance?

[tired brook]

😼

[calm quartz]

Wonder how long it wouldve been until Blizz fixed the guild achievement spam if it hadnt happened to liquid on stream

[restive peak]

Not being annoyed when it's valid, as I said to someone earlier about a different thing, doesn't make you an ascended being, it doesn't mean you get to look down on others.

[sick jungle]

better question is how long has the bug been around for?

[dim pecan]

it is pretty crazy to still being have this long an extended maintenance after mythic is already out

[calm quartz]

too damn long

[restive peak]

In fact, in my eyes, it makes you a pushover who blindly accepts everything.

But to each their own, as they say.

[nocturne dragon]

Sure 1 hour wednesday maintenance on 7AM as usual.

[weary sail]

on wowhead guide you recommend enchant authority of depths. but RWF warriors used authority of radiant power? is there a reason why they choosing this enchant?

[tired brook]

Bro

[vestal root]

aight Mage tower scaling is still shit but its manageable

[calm quartz]

In all of heaven and earth, I alone am the honored one

[edgy widget]

radiant better when your gear is lower, depths better as your gear gets higher - depths is also stacking ST while radiant is more immediate damage - if you're going for adds use council or stonebound

[calm quartz]

[tired brook]

Fury Warrior is going to have a Josh Allen comeback story

[vestal root]

it wasnt that hard actually once you ick real talents

[nocturne dragon]

for M+ radiant.

[tired brook]

we’ll be eating good in a month

[silk wharf]

This is the 20th anniversary patch isnt it? I can imagine with al lthats been panned there could be some issues.

[calm quartz]

its not

[meager void]

one more hour of downtime and Skyhold will just became a BladeStorm emoji

[calm quartz]

xdd

[restive peak]

This is not the patch.

[silk wharf]

Oh

[feral ivy]

I feel like warrior discord is taken a bad road atm and we all neeed to take a chill pill

[granite frigate]

who likes my new profile picture

[meager void]

we are all clearly overcapping rage here.

[calm quartz]

Im too busy pressing CB-T

[sick jungle]

for this long of a maint i expect to log in and the anniversary raid is live

[nocturne dragon]

uh what do we categorize as "lower"? like what ilvl?

[restive peak]

Whatever the sims tell you

[edgy widget]

na its a lot of people who never normally talk in here just jumping on the bandwagon to bitch and moan about a change that... doesn't really change anything (and also doesn't hit for another month)

[restive peak]

Robot is god, robot is life

[olive wraith]

Soon robot god will tell you to swap classes

[pulsar quest]

Sounds like you need a job

🤓

[weary sail]

if i do M+ im assuming radiant would be more ideal?

[restive peak]

We out here oprahin jobs, WE LOVE IT

[pulsar quest]

lmao

[restive peak]

Pretty sure I butchered her name

[fluid cedar]

Anyone played around with simming AM as haste gets higher + 4pc?

[restive peak]

No I didn't, we're good

[marble swift]

You can't say those changes aren't going to affect m+ lol

[edgy widget]

probably council + stonebound/radiant/depths

[edgy widget]

nobody said they didn't, but Fury is still going to be in a similar spot its in now

[marble swift]

I disagree but that's fine

[weary sail]

fury is not bad, just mediocre, just please dont nerf us anymore

[pulsar quest]

be like critcake and have 2 mythic track weapons you swap out, one with depths, one with radiant and just swap it when doing m+/raid

[grand estuary]

nerfs are only a part of the problem. the real problem is the community reaction to nerfs and now they wont take warriors for keys

[cedar depot]

how much is the damage reduced beyond target cap anyways? What %?

[sick jungle]

lemme focus on getting 1 myth track wep first

[weary sail]

so u would need 4 mythic track weapon no? 2 radiant for M+, 2 depth for raid

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[feral ivy]

I find them meta chasers and they put week or 2 into that broken class and now don’t want to change

[lapis eagle]

how many runs boys for grim batol trinket ?

[restive peak]

If anyone meta rerolled fury for M+….

[fluid cedar]

I bet it will take you 69

[weary sail]

me 🙋

[rigid stirrup]

I mean I pick and chose my battles. Just because I'm not on the same level of rage as the people over game maintence doens't mean I blindly accept everything. Without doxxing myself I work in a field where I'm trying to make positive change for my community. Trying to establish my character over my reaction to maintenance is low hanging fruit my guy and I honestly respect the shit out of you and what you do for the warrior community..

[weary sail]

and now im playing prot

[restive peak]

If you’re a reroll meta Andy, you reroll mage and stick

[fluid cedar]

till death…

[weary sail]

i only like melee i dont like range /caster

[cedar depot]

ohh realm list starting to show now atleast

[shut onyx]

meta < meat cleaver

[thick fossil]

I just want to kick a mage and take their lunch money.

[restive peak]

And that’s fine, and I respect that and wasn’t saying you ARE that, I was saying you shouldn’t judge others for how they feel about a certain thing just because it differs from yours. For some people, they have a family and Tuesday is their day off and they plan for 11/12 and have 3 hours and it really sucks for them.

[weary sail]

just gonna stick with fury for this expansion not gonna reroll unless they absolutely destroyed all 3 specs

[restive peak]

And I appreciate the latter part of your message deeply as well.

[deft sleet]

they will nerf fury more blizz hates warriors

[tired brook]

How tough is arms to pick up, I love fury and will main it but I probably need to learn arms for mythic prog

[weary sail]

arms isnt that hard its pretty easy to pick up

its not like outlaw rogue or enhance

[cedar depot]

arms is fine, but in keys i found it annoying, every pack, thunderclap, sweeping, colossus, then you can do damage

[brazen island]

are you talking about our AOE burst? this works for really specific situations. what about the rest of the 90% of gameplay? are we going to hit the other 90% at the cost of the 10% and say that's reasonable?

[restive peak]

Arms is pretty straight forward

[vestal root]

arms is not hard on paper but in chaotic moments handling rend, CDs and your other conditionals can be chaotic

but on pure ST its ez imo

[weary sail]

u not gonna play arms in AoE anyway

play arms in raids for ST, Fury everywhere else

[cedar depot]

would be nice if the stat prio was the same atleast.....

[edgy widget]

the rest of the 90% of gameplay doesn't have 6-10+ targets, so the nerf has no impact

[thin cliff]

arms slaps in AoE - it just doesn't have anywhere near fury's burst aoe

[edgy widget]

Arms has good sustained AoE

[restive peak]

But seriously, if you’re a meta chaser…just go mage, save yourself forever bro

[feral ivy]

^

[cedar depot]

its easy to sit at 2m+ often as arms for aoe

[edgy widget]

Nobody is saying Fury couldn't afford to have some buffs in ST, but the nerf specifically is warranted; the amount of damage Fury pumps out so quickly is egregious

[restive peak]

I know I personally get frustrated sometimes, egregiously so sometimes too I’m sure, but I love warrior so I stay warrior

[rigid stirrup]

yeah I feel for them. I'm not looking down on others for complaining all I said was at some point people should probably do something else till after they complain. if that gets interrupted as looking down on people then idk what else to say say besides I don't see it that way.

[vestal root]

arms has sweeping strikes which is cool for 2t fights

[dire vigil]

I think if we get buffs to RB and BT for throughput, we’re gonna be strong still

[weary sail]

well my gear has too much mastery cuz of Fury, cant just switch on a whim

[cedar depot]

i think most people agree on that, it was out of hand, but whats up with the last minute 3% overall nerf lol

[restive peak]

Clarification appreciated, the beauty of text my dude. We straight. ❤️

[rigid stirrup]

but I"m gonna move on for it just happy we had a discussion that didn'tt get too out of hand

[brazen island]

right i guess what i'm getting at is nerfing our performance in this one very specific role that happens to be the only role we fill is really lame when you're not supplementing the other areas where we're lacking

[tired brook]

It’s our fault for getting nerfed anyways, if we all parsed 0s we wouldn’t be having this problem

[brazen island]

i'm totally fine with shifting power, but to straight up remove power is lazy

[feral ivy]

Word of the day: egregious

[cedar depot]

its actually blizz fault for spawning 20 spiders that die in 4 seconds instead of interesting adds

[weary sail]

yall need to stop padding so hard on heroic week next season

[thin cliff]

(also our 4pc being so bad it struggles competing with the lost mastery is hilarious)

[restive peak]

To be fair, and I still maintain I have some current frustrations with fury, some of the boss damage metric is attributed to the fact that we aren’t putting our CDs into bosses on CD

[edgy widget]

I agree, but you also cannot possibly argue that this is balanced lol - even cutting 20% off the burst (not 20% off the total damage) there still leaves Fury head and shoulders above everyone else

[restive peak]

Whereas the pure ST classes are

[tired brook]

Blizzard is never wrong. The design is perfect. The theme is perfect. The gameplay is perfect. The fps is perfect.

[fervent yoke]

@restive peak I want warrior buffs but idk what to say on ur forum post

[sick jungle]

looks like a green parse to me

[spare steppe]

Wait why are we back on the 20% thing

[thin cliff]

You think you do but you don't

[edgy widget]

that's cause the best parse you've ever seen is grey

[restive peak]

I want some ST buffs, and I want powerful gone so balancing is easier, and I want a tier set

[olive parrot]

Fury below Arms in aoe, wtf

[edgy widget]

because that's what the nerf is and people keep bringing it up

[sick jungle]

[restive peak]

But the ST thing still matters, we are holding cds for specific phases

[brazen island]

of course this isn't balanced in the context of this fight. but it is balanced in the context of the game as a whole.

[edgy widget]

no, it's not and balance doesn't work like that anyway

[latent mason]

So is fury just dogshit now compared to arms overall? I just saw the mythic chart

[cedar depot]

it was def not balanced wtf

[spare steppe]

Oh in pure add burst situations yeah that adds up. I was reading into the 4% in sustained

[weary sail]

fury getting more nerfs dw in hte PTR

[sour abyss]

"Fury Warriors have a fast-paced playstyle which focuses on sustained damage rather than spikes of big burst."

[deft sleet]

LOL

[edgy widget]

and they still do

[feral ivy]

Do you have public logs for that fight ?

[edgy widget]

there are plenty of public logs of that fight

[deft sleet]

outside of spikes of big burst cleave is literally whirlwind

[winged charm]

Well once you go into m+ and the pack isnt dead after you pop cds your dps just falls off and you get dunked by 70% off specs put there once we reach 40-60sec pulls where second odyns isnt worth anymore

[spare steppe]

All the logs are scrubbed though

[edgy widget]

then you drop OF into the next pack

[winged charm]

And now we lose 20% on that and are just never on top to begin with

[edgy widget]

you're not losing 20% on that

you're losing 20% off OF and TR specifically against 10 targets

those two are not the same thing

Bladestorm isn't affected, TR's DoT isn't affected, your regular cleave is not affected

[deft sleet]

those were already effected and nerfed earlier

after week 1