fury

[vocal siren]

are u serious

lmao

[runic violet]

0700 to 1100

[eager thorn]

I mean they addressed this p well by adding stuff like amani battle bear

[pearl sequoia]

doesnt look like amani war bear is on the loot table for black market auction house acording to wow head

[vocal siren]

its a different color right?

or shade

[eager thorn]

Just bring back old cosmetics ppl want slightly changed + with diff name

[vocal siren]

yeah

im okay with that

i just want some stuff i earned back then to remain exclusive in some way

[eager thorn]

But even then, gatekeeping old cosmetics is kinda cringe

[vocal siren]

idc if its elitist, I know it is

[spare steppe]

I wish maintenance started earlier if it’s gonna get extended

[orchid dagger]

Based

[vocal siren]

i think if blizz states you can ONLY get this during this time and never again after but then bring it back anyway

thats way more cringe imo

[pearl crypt]

Ye maybe, but blizz doesnt give a shit about fotm

[eager thorn]

Times change init

[vocal siren]

but I personally like the idea that there are some things I earned in my account that are exclusive to my character and account

so it doesnt matter if i log on 10 years from now etc

[eager thorn]

If pixels being rare matters that much to you its prob an issue

[vocal siren]

it'll still be rare

i mean

define matter that much

im not gonna protest about it

if they change it, i'll be annoyed and then move on with my life

[pearl crypt]

It wont when blizz needs something for wow to round up financial quarter

[vocal siren]

its not like im tied to this game all that much, i put it down for 6 years lol

[pearl crypt]

Trading post, twitch rewards and elephant in the room, mop remix

[vocal siren]

ill probably quit again for good in a few months

[pearl crypt]

All those mop mounts and tusks ppl spent several hundreds of hours farming

[vocal siren]

they nver brought back the mists challenge dungeon stuff no?

[scenic citrus]

the less they bring things back, the more it feeds people's FOMO and they sub. That's how I bet Blizzard views it

[pearl crypt]

I got it all in 10h playtime

[eager thorn]

I never played mop remix so i still get to farm em

Not only that but i cant even farm tusks yet

[spare steppe]

and I appreciated every minute of it

[pearl crypt]

Too niche. And they will if they deem itll bring in ppl

[chrome plover]

+1

[eager thorn]

Cos mop remix broke the actual SoO raid

[fervent yoke]

Does warrior dps not get buffs? I just started playing retail this xpac please don’t tell me warriors get neglected..

[eager thorn]

So u cant solo anymore

[pearl sequoia]

they get a lot of attention, just not the good kind

[fervent yoke]

Fml

[pearl crypt]

Which shows how much blizz gives a shit about fotm

[vocal siren]

i mean its okay if you disagree

[pearl crypt]

0

Remember fel drake?

[vocal siren]

there are some things in the game i can no longer get that im annoyed i missed out on

[fervent yoke]

I should of went ret or dk I knew it

[pearl crypt]

Remember zhevra?

[eager thorn]

was that the twitch prime mount

That was p rare

[pearl crypt]

That eas ultra rare

[vocal siren]

I missed out on the black proto drake due to one fucking idiot dying in our immortal run

[eager thorn]

I only really started playing in dflight

[vocal siren]

ONE IDIOT

[thin cliff]

the beatings will continue until morale improves

[vocal siren]

but ill always have the plagued one

[eager thorn]

Honestly i do think this is funny to do

[vocal siren]

and plagued proto looks dope

[eager thorn]

They need to do the same with spectral tiger

[keen prairie]

Noob question, does opening the vault as arms effect the set stats?

[eager thorn]

No

[keen prairie]

Ty

[eager thorn]

Idt

[chrome plover]

i got a bunch of old shit that is no longer obtainable and still think things from 5, 7, 10+ years ago should definitely make a return

[eager thorn]

Arms loot spec is 100% fine to open vault with

And should be what u do

[chrome plover]

challenge mode appearances, artifact appearances etc

[eager thorn]

Ye like a lot of the “i did this back then” can be preserved with achievements saying dates etc

[vocal siren]

im fine with bringing it back, reshaded

[sick jungle]

guys is the transmitter trink really too hard for demon hunters to manage?

[vocal siren]

i mean no one is linking achievements in chat, mounts/cosmetics can be viewed right off the bat

[weary sail]

Aside from boost, what is the best way to level nowadays quickly to 70?

[vocal siren]

and titles

[vocal siren]

spamming dungeons

you get 1-2 levels a run

[pearl sequoia]

you have those memories which is what matters, we're all gonna quit one day and thats what we will keep

[vocal siren]

I got a few exclusive titles and the sinestra achievement tho

[pearl crypt]

Ye but again, my point is that fotm is nonexistent in wow

[vocal siren]

feels good

[chrome plover]

idk most of this shit wasnt hard or impressive to get

[vocal siren]

if it wasn't more people would have it

[pearl crypt]

Anything other than curve achv

[sick jungle]

i need to get my hands on transmitter it can't be that hard to manage

[chrome plover]

people dont have it because it was 10 fucking years ago 🤣

[pearl crypt]

Is all a lottery when it will comr back

[vocal siren]

server firsts were competitive to get on good servers although lots of guilds went to dead servers to grab titles

which was lame as fuck

[eager thorn]

Its pretty easy

[oblique trail]

Ngl chief, a lot of the older shit was just more of a time commitment thing and not people being way better than others

[pearl crypt]

My guess is next remix is legion

[sick jungle]

my dh buddy has it and he's adamant it's a dps loss

[vocal siren]

not disputing that

[pearl crypt]

So im not farm8ng a single thing in legion

[vocal siren]

but some stuff WAS hard

[eager thorn]

Incorrect

[sinful spoke]

Its horrible DE it when u get it

[chrome plover]

i got my artifact weapons the week that they released and that shit was sick, i felt like a beast (i was kind of a noob back then) but later in legion it was a joke to get and everyone who played to any reasonable degree had them

mage tower*

[eager thorn]

Its annoying to get used to at first

[thin cliff]

I will die on my hill that Tribute to Immortality should have given a title rather than a low-res ground mount, lol

[eager thorn]

But once you learn how to place the tasks its piss ez

[oblique trail]

You got Grand Crusader for that no?

[sick jungle]

hes saying wowhead rated it low and a trap

it's taking so much in me to not say skill issue

[thin cliff]

nah, Crusader's Black/White Warhorse. Grand Crusader was realm first kill

[chrome plover]

titles are different imo, i dont think pvp season/m+/raid specific titles should be obtainable now ofc, but appearances

[oblique trail]

Right

[eager thorn]

I mean I’m not gonna argue with a dh guide writer cos I’m a warrior player so if it says that then maybe its bad for dh

[oblique trail]

Was horrible at the game back then so don't remember much about it

[vocal siren]

i think

i got that mount

[flint narwhal]

extended downtime again

fury nerfs and long downtimes

[vocal siren]

I got Grand Crusader as well as Celestial Defender

[eager thorn]

I’m kinda newish to the game so most old rare things like mounts idek where they come from or what achievement ppl had to do

[vocal siren]

which was realm first 25man algalon

[eager thorn]

I just see smth cool and want it for myself

[vocal siren]

grand crusader actually best title for paladin

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5313/i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-how-awesome-i-am#comments can no longer get this either

But we missed out on the Death's Demise title because our dumbass guild decided to focus on TOGC instead of finishing off Yogg 0

so another guild got it before us

[chrome plover]

it cant be bad, i imagine guide writers just dont reccomend it because you might grief yourself trying to look for the orb/pad

and i guess jumping is more annoying on dh becasue double jump

[runic violet]

TOGC was a joke raid... except the last one.

It was probably most memorable boss encounter for me.

[eager thorn]

Yea true

[thin cliff]

I still have grey hairs from tanking those adds

[silk wharf]

I know it's still on the horizon but do we know where Dracthyr falls in the sims for races?

[vocal siren]

TOGC was such a weird raid difficulty wise

[chrome plover]

guide writers have to pander their guides to the masses, and the majority of people might lose dps trying to use transmitter on dh

[runic violet]

I had my gears preped for it as backup too.. but I ran fury the whole time.

[vocal siren]

i feel like the 4th boss could have been really hard if they tuned it properly

[eager thorn]

Skill issue tbh

[vocal siren]

but no

it ended up being a joke

[runic violet]

25man was intense

anub 25 man

[vocal siren]

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvgwDWjuA2o this is our server first kill

you can see me on the dps charts lmao

We didnt have a warrior tank for ages

i had to sunder 😦

imagine having to sunder x3 on pull as dps

[pearl sequoia]

now thats a UI

[runic violet]

I mean prot paly is fine too

[vocal siren]

no i meant

warrior tanks would automatically apply sunder as part of their rotation

it was a large dps loss for a dps warrior to apply it

also i forgot that we had ONE person alive at the end

such a clutch kill

[wet wraith]

ui looks like you're playing a different game. recount is so nostalgic at this point though

[vocal siren]

yeah it wasn't me but our boomkin

Also

anyone remember the BS mechanic around Algalon?

you only had one hour a week to fight him

[runic violet]

I had to disable dmg meter... because my pc couldn't handle it back the.

[vocal siren]

we lost an entire week once cuz our paladin d/ced right after we pulled him

and the timer started

and he couldn't log back on for 40 mins

glad blizz never brought that shit back

[forest grove]

I think it'd be a better remembered raid if it had some sort of minor trash fights during it instead of the rp between rounds

[vocal siren]

it just felt like such a filler raid

the bigger issue was that it was released REALLY soon after Ulduar

[wet wraith]

i kinda miss those types of raids though instead of just 3 big ones

[sullen dove]

nice wowhead dps rankings

yea keep nerfing fury

[vocal siren]

like, lots of people were still in the middle of ulduar progression when it came out

[sullen dove]

[vocal siren]

they could have easily waited another 2 months

[forest grove]

So it's like

[pearl sequoia]

LOL so fuckin bad aye

[forest grove]

The opposite problem we do now

[vocal siren]

the one time they released a raid too fast

yeah

[wet wraith]

wowhead needs to stop releasing these stupid dps rankings posts with just all bosses damage. its already a problem that people have no clue how to look at raid statistics

[vocal siren]

i mean we were smack dab in the middle of Yogg 0 prog

when TOGC came out

[sudden tusk]

also did stupid amounts of threat + demolish

[vocal siren]

yup

anyway

for anyone that cares

our server first Algalon kill

https://youtu.be/JhhmnzS5My4

im on the meters again whee

[pearl sequoia]

Holy shit, our 100 log is in the middle 50% of logs for arcane mages

[jovial coral]

Not much has changed

hahhaha

sory

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[oblique trail]

I know man

Don't have to tell me

[vocal siren]

Brother

you can see the timer for the week

at the top

what a DUMB FUCKING MECHANIC lmao

can't believe blizzard did that

[stable frost]

Algalon timer was great, most of the hard modes they experimented with in ulduar were fantastic

[fossil rapids]

Dat fury nerf overcorrection :<

[hasty tide]

Don't worry guys, blizz gonna bring these over performing fury warriors back down with the rest of the dps with these upcoming nerfs

[vocal siren]

it wasn't great because instead of making the boss actually hard, they artificially gated it around limited pulls

[forest grove]

Damage cap nerfs make my brain feel bad.

[bitter palm]

hard mode ulduar is harder than pre nerf tindral

[pearl sequoia]

"Perfectly balanced as all things should be"

[vocal siren]

mimiron is my favorite fight in ulduar

so fucking good

[spare steppe]

Yeah but that doesn’t match internal numbers

[vocal siren]

firefighter was SO fun

[spare steppe]

Internal numbers show us much higher due to rashan’an

[stable frost]

Hodir was fun

I was playing ele that tier

Lightning bolt machine gun go brr

[vocal siren]

god

ulduar was probably one of my favorite raids of all time

so much fun progressing it week by week

[wet wraith]

i think max said this on stream after the nerfs, that it seemed like blizzard just looked at all bosses raid statistics, before people had 4 set, and nothing else. hopefully this means blizzard doesn't go through with this dumbass target cap nerf

[stable frost]

And then they took all those fun interesting ideas for hard modes, and threw them into the trash in one of the worst raids they've ever released

[spare steppe]

Algalon was frustrating as a tank

[wet wraith]

i would be thrilled to just go back to having consistent damage at this point, at least blizzard is happy to let that be. need some compensation elsewhere

[pearl sequoia]

the stats to boss damager are insane

how can the best log for fury be in the middle 50% for arcane

[vocal siren]

hitting the big red button to turn on hard mode was a great idea

wish blizz kept that

[vocal siren]

he hit really fast and hard didnt he

[half cargo]

Probably my favourite encounter in the history of the game

His subplot, the stakes, voice, lines, the arena, raw numbers involved

[stable frost]

That was part of what made it so great you activated a lot of the hard modes in unique ways

[half cargo]

Pure cinema

[stable frost]

Like the xt heart or general

[spare steppe]

Absurdly so. You could get 2 shot and nothing you could have done about it because it was in 1.2 seconds

Amazing fight, exhilarating but frustrating to tank

[vagrant imp]

Thane needs more ST and lightning bolts, like 5 times as much lightning. I want to be Thor right after Hela says "what were you the god of agaon""

[runic violet]

I keep feeling sad about the nerf happening today.

[rotund ginkgo]

Now I can suck in style

[runic violet]

As a M+ player.... fury would be even weaker

will*

[rotund ginkgo]

DO NOT question my choices

[vocal siren]

his voice was peak

[spare steppe]

Which one? Cause the grim batol nerf is amazing

[runic violet]

no i mean... now getting our aoe nerfed

[pearl sequoia]

oh god, ur gonna have a wow logo imprinted into ur palm

[barren coral]

whats the best WA for mists? i thought im doing good but my group can finish the puzzle in 1 second

[rotund ginkgo]

Is the nerf today?

[spare steppe]

That’s not today that’s the 11.0.5 patch or something

[vagrant imp]

isnt aoe nerf still on ptr only

[oak peak]

Next nerf isnt till 11.0.5

[rotund ginkgo]

Isn't the nerf in like November?

[spare steppe]

Like with the rework of pally etc

[runic violet]

We seriously need some buff though.

like in ST and sustained aoe

[spare steppe]

Mythic queen fury was top dps

Or was it a fdk id have to check

[runic violet]

yea because they pop adds just for fury to pad

[oak peak]

Could use a slight sustained buff. But sadly the raid makes us look amazing, so we wont probably be getting a buff

[spare steppe]

But we shine too bright in the perfect situations

[runic violet]

It's like NW 2nd boss.

[sleek nexus]

that’s all aoe tho

[runic violet]

I mega pad that thing.

[spare steppe]

Yup

[vagrant imp]

No, todays nerf is where they have BT randomly cause us to drop our 2h forcing us to attack with limp wang for 20seconds

[spare steppe]

M not arguing against buffs, we desperately need MT to be in line and our ST to be improved

[vocal siren]

its so hard to argue with people not playing fury about the nerfs

"Well Liquid took 2 fury warriors and they were top dps"

[warm crag]

And someone has to do it king

[runic violet]

Our ST is shit right now

[spare steppe]

Just the perception of others is from details and is doing what we do best (murdering adds)

Yup

[sleek nexus]

true

[spare steppe]

It’s Aug tier

[vocal siren]

what does aug tier mean

[ornate dagger]

snipe those Silken Tombs, exclude it from the logg and were middle of the pack (at best)

[oak peak]

Correction, murdering weak adds

[wet wraith]

kinda fire, thinking about finally upgrading from the trusty logitech g600 for a lighter mouse

[warm crag]

Top dps with a good margin after two pretty hefty nerfs ye

[rotund ginkgo]

Will give review

Also got these

[pearl sequoia]

it literally has a big wow logo on ur palm thats gonna feel weird

ill be suprised if its good

[oak peak]

I think we could use a slight sustained buff, but overall we arent “terrible”

[wet wraith]

going from my main shooter mouse, the g pro x superlight, to my mmo mouse is like strapping a weight to my hand

[rotund ginkgo]

It surely will not be worse than how the aerox 9 looks without the wow edition

[buoyant salmon]

fury is great man

[rotund ginkgo]

My palm doesn't hug that area

[idle pewter]

how do you think we'll look in higher keys after aoe cap compared to rets/fdk?

[oak peak]

I think one issue is we arent very good at higher M+

[runic violet]

Fury only top dps because the burst CD lines up with adds.

[vocal siren]

yeah

im not talking raid

btw

[buoyant salmon]

yes we aee

are

[runic violet]

that's all

[rotund ginkgo]

Choco on that bullshit again

[vocal siren]

we have barely any utility and other dps shine better

[buoyant salmon]

after the .5 changed w ewill be bad

[runic violet]

Higher M+, you need sustained AOE too. not just ST.

we are behind in sustained AOE

[buoyant salmon]

utility take a shot

[buoyant salmon]

brother its just true

[warm crag]

I will steal them I recognize that place

[rotund ginkgo]

LMAO do u now spongie

[vocal siren]

why would u bring a fury over a ret

to higher keys

[ornate dagger]

maybe Mountain Thane angle

[spare steppe]

Don’t forget the lil fuckers too

[pearl sequoia]

I heard noxiv talk about how it will only be a 3% overall loss in m+ but yea seems like a low estimation

[warm crag]

Shockwave is not utility spread the word

[oblique trail]

I live in Denmark I know where that is

[oak peak]

We arent great. We have great aoe every other pack or so, but when compared to other classes (fdk/ret), we are sub par. Not “terrible”, but sub par

[spare steppe]

I brought it up to the WCL channel but they’re inconsistent

[oblique trail]

And I will tell Spongie

[vagrant imp]

logitech 910 or Razor Naga, my 910 is falling apart after 5years

[buoyant salmon]

there is 6 specs better than fury in m+

[spare steppe]

It misrepresents how we are actually doing

[vocal siren]

i dont buy razor products

they are historically trash

[spare steppe]

Only 6?

Or 6 dps

[buoyant salmon]

id say so yeah

6 dps sorry

[sudden tusk]

Razer Viper V2 is pretty solid

[pearl sequoia]

Razer mice are good, some keyboards, headsets are garbage

[jovial coral]

Holeee skyhold denmark meetup??

[vocal siren]

i also dislike their software they try to shove in all the time

[buoyant salmon]

u cant rlly compare healer to dps or tank to dps

[oak peak]

And when we dont have utility, we again are meh in M+

[oblique trail]

I'm not coming

[ornate dagger]

i love my razer mouse and keyboard - headsets are trash not arguing

[runic violet]

Razor is like Tesla. QA is hit or miss

[oak peak]

But when is that different

[wet wraith]

i bought a razer headset based on wirecutter reviews, they've never let me down on anything else, but my god the build quality was horrendous. and yeah the software is just bloatware

[jovial coral]

edge then

[warm crag]

Ye razer keyboards and mice aren't full garbage imo

[spare steppe]

Yeah figured I’d check. What dps are you thinking beyond ret/frost?

[vagrant imp]

Prolly stick with the G600 then

[runic violet]

They are good but not well made.

[oblique trail]

Spongie is a Razer shill

[buoyant salmon]

define utility

[oblique trail]

Don't listen to him

[thin cliff]

I felt the same until the Huntsman and Basilisk. The optical switches are 🤌
Software is still steaming dogshit though

[vocal siren]

maybe they are better now

[oblique trail]

He has all their products from 10 years ago up till now

[pearl sequoia]

razer arguably has the best mice in the world right now

[vocal siren]

i haven't tried them in ages

[runic violet]

I prefer logitech

[vocal siren]

i stick with logitech mice and sennheiser headphones

[fickle cedar]

logitech > razer

[lament hinge]

only reason to use razer at all is because of naga, just low quality products

[vocal siren]

g512 best mouse in history, fight me

[runic violet]

Logitech since 90s... they have been faithful.

[thin cliff]

100% on the headphones. I love my HD598

[oak peak]

Something we do that someone doesnt do better. Why bring a warrior instead of a ret or fdk or enhance or rogue or dh or mage or…etc

[buoyant salmon]

enhance ele unholy sin

[vocal siren]

same

desktop mic+headphones

[runic violet]

I 2nd, the G512 series might be the best balanced mouse in history

[vocal siren]

but im lazy nowadays and run speakers

[buoyant salmon]

i was sleeping on unholy

[fossil rapids]

I had three razer mice fail on me in 2 years so eh. I won't buy their stuff again

[vocal siren]

pretty much a ton of CS pros used g512s

[warm crag]

I only have 1 razer product left! @oblique trail is using three razer kraken at once! Kill him!

[runic violet]

It's cheap, durable, just right size, enough functions.

[bitter palm]

everyone was

[oblique trail]

Lies

I have four

[wet wraith]

the viper v3 pro is pretty good, but i think its pretty undeniable that in performance logitech is on top right now. the g pro x superlight is the best mouse i've ever used. battery life is basically infinite and it charges in like 30 minutes. and just in performance its amazing

[pearl sequoia]

some of their products come from china which have lower quality builds, depends where its manufactured

[oak peak]

Again, fury is fine. We dont neeed a buff. But a sustainbuff would be nice

[spare steppe]

Haven’t actually seen any unholy but I believe it

[bitter palm]

but obv since fdk is a thing

[spare steppe]

Shamans are killing it

[bitter palm]

a friend of mine plays unholy for fun

it fucks

[buoyant salmon]

more damage since battle shout exists and they have great stops

[vocal siren]

im leveling a ret right now

[buoyant salmon]

very tanky dps (ret is on par with fury tankiness so doesnt apply to them)

[runic violet]

Ret's sustained aoe is great

[oak peak]

I wouldnt say battle shout is enough to bring us over any other melee class (not spec)

[runic violet]

burst ain't no fury level but will catch and pass fury over time.

[oak peak]

We arent last. We arent first

[buoyant salmon]

depends on your comp

[vocal siren]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[bitter palm]

imagine

[runic violet]

we definitley are last in ST though

[oak peak]

Which puts us at “fine”

[bitter palm]

clappa is meta

[buoyant salmon]

if u have 2 agi/strength dps

[south kayak]

That's not true

[buoyant salmon]

battleshout is insane value

[pearl sequoia]

mostly comes down to ergonomic shape for most people, the mice have basically the same in specs, wiwth razer slightly ahead i think

[bitter palm]

me when i have like 30% dr without committing defensive cds

make clapoa meta

blizz

[orchid vault]

Is there any point saving coffer keys for later seasons?

[runic violet]

I didn't even do delve this week.

[south kayak]

You guys expecting any tuning tonight?

[sullen dove]

Almost certainly reset in someway so prolly not

But you would never need more than like 20 anyway

[runic violet]

When you are pushing M+s... who needs delves (gear wise)

[sullen dove]

even that’s excessive

[bitter palm]

dstance + war paint + keep your feet on the ground

hooooly

[south kayak]

delves are great for alts and casuals

[orchid vault]

cuz i need delves for vault but i dont need any loot from the delves

[oak peak]

I think the real issue with fury is the “why bring fury instead of something else”. We get the job done, but the only thing we are 100% better at is burst AoE, which loses usefulness in high M+

[orchid vault]

so perhaps an idea was to save up some keys for the future

[sullen dove]

I mean u can just do 8s that count for vault and not spend keys

Or farm tier 1 zekvir

[runic violet]

Even M+ vaults are better than devle vaults

[orchid vault]

yea exactly

[sullen dove]

still count as 8s

But delve vaults are bad now

[buoyant salmon]

i think that argument is just shit

[wet wraith]

fair, i personally love the shape and simplicity of mine, i'm over the rgb gamer shit. razer is also going for a simplistic look with some of their new stuff too which is great. plenty of good mice to choose from. would like to see some more innovation in mmo mice, i've heard steelseries has been hit or miss

[sullen dove]

Hero loot ew

[buoyant salmon]

i gave you reasons

[orchid vault]

hero loot is big for me haha

[lean wasp]

the adds on rashnan dont count anymore or whats going on

[buoyant salmon]

warrior doesnt lose value in high keys

[runic violet]

If you are catching up on gears.. yes delve is great

[buoyant salmon]

this has been proven by linc who is pushing 12s

and still doing great damage

[sullen dove]

[orchid vault]

i mean delves give 616 hero loot in vault but 603 from coffer key, big difference

[buoyant salmon]

there are a couple better specs, sure

[pearl sequoia]

never used a steelseries mouse personally, only their arctic line headsets, i have a 24g carbon fibre mouse with no buttons so im plane jane lol

[buoyant salmon]

the only thing ppl say is, oh fury loses to enhance frost and ret overall

those are 3 of the best specs in the game man

[south kayak]

Would be nice if we could get at least buffs to Rampage/BT/Execute at least with the OF/TR soft cap

[low folio]

and rogue

[south kayak]

and probably getting nerfed lmao

especially Frost DK

[oak peak]

I’m not arguing fury is bad. We are fine. But there’s no reason to bring us over ret, fdk, or enhance. That’s not a huge issue. We are fine.

[buoyant salmon]

you bring a ton of damage with battle shout

[runic violet]

Nerf fury burst, buff ST and (possibly sustained aoe) ... is the solution.

[buoyant salmon]

and you have shockwave which is insanely good

[wet wraith]

i had a steelseries arctis and it was super comfortable. i have a huge head, and i'm not even saying that in an ironic way, like I've measured it and there is not a one-size hat in the world that fits, but that headset was a joy to use, just ended up breaking on me. now i'm just using hyperx because its cheap and lasts forever

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/last-place-if-youre-not-first-gif-16048016

[forest owl]

hurry up NA i wanna see vault copium

[south kayak]

Extendo

[runic violet]

my body is ready

[south kayak]

Real

Well, if you buff ST you buff sustained aoe

[runic violet]

Hmmm kidna true.

[bitter palm]

thats why u can just

reduce imp ww

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait to see rings necks or shit trinkets in all 3 +10 vault slots

[south kayak]

I think the TR/OF soft is more than enough nerf of our burst aoe

[runic violet]

I coudln't do 8 10s....

[south kayak]

I want sustained buffs now

[wet wraith]

im dying for a stonevault neck man, still using a 593 one

[buoyant salmon]

fury doesn’t even really need sustained aoe buffs on live

[vocal siren]

ill be honest

[oak peak]

“Ton of damage”. Not really an argument when it’s the same or less overll than those 3 i mentioned

[vocal siren]

Fury has had that issue forever

[south kayak]

Well, we're talking about nerfing burst aoe to buff sustained

[whole wigeon]

So are fury going to get a buff now that we've logged as the worst dps overall in nerub'ar and pretty low on boss damage?

[forest owl]

you will get nerfed and get no sustain buffs and like it!!!

[south kayak]

since they don't like us doing that burst obviously

[vocal siren]

Warrior dps has always lacked utility except for certain expansions

rallying cry/banner

used to be our utility

[coarse nest]

I want to do 1.5M ST on M+ bosses

Blizzard please

Fix

[south kayak]

Man, fuck utility

[buoyant salmon]

utility also doesn’t matter

[south kayak]

I hate that word

STOP

[vocal siren]

listen

i dont disagree

[buoyant salmon]

shockwave is a super good

[low folio]

Utility

[gusty cloak]

shockwave!

[buoyant salmon]

talent it and use it

[delicate yacht]

We logged 2 of the top 3 dps on ansurek

[buoyant salmon]

best stop in the game

[vocal siren]

but people making the M+ groups will choose the class that does similar dmg and brings more to the table

[runic violet]

You know what though... after playing ret/fury back to back. Fury has way more interrupt related skills (and shorter CDs) and more durable.

[vocal siren]

than the class w/o

[south kayak]

The fight is literally made for fury

well, not literally

but it's so well for fury

[fading bane]

Fury does not have shorter CDs than ret

[south kayak]

no wonder we perform well there

??

[wet wraith]

could be worse though boys, could be playing final fantasy with like 10 classes and they still can't balance it

[astral path]

what if there is no next hero class and they add a new spec to every class? warrior buff spec like aug?

[forest owl]

i want the utility of a pally, but on warri

[runic violet]

ret's ST stun is forever CD

[vocal siren]

imagine bubble

[south kayak]

Yeah who said that lmao

[wet wraith]

don't even joke about that

[coarse nest]

Just so happens that the fight has aoe that aligns almost perfectly with our 45 seconds and 90

[astral path]

i'd play it

[south kayak]

Ret has a 30 second cd that busts

[velvet obsidian]

How much of that was actual damage to boss and how many characters was sniping adds?

[coarse nest]

Imagine

[astral path]

id play warrior healer spec

[fading bane]

Ret has more utility in the way of Sac and BoP

[astral path]

shout healing

[fading bane]

but Fury has more CC

[south kayak]

does Ret have an aoe stun

I assume not

[fading bane]

it has blinding light, thats kinda it

and HoJ

[wet wraith]

nah give warrior a fury tank spec where we just self heal a ton

[south kayak]

that's true

[fading bane]

but its hard to fit the CDR on HoJ

[runic violet]

Ret has some party assist utilities but fury definiltely is better in CC

[velvet drum]

I wonder, when is the last time Fury/Arms dominated the dps scene where you wanted to have more than 1? I remember on Kil Jaeden Method had 2/3 warriors? They were good on Mythic Sire where you could roll more than 1.

[south kayak]

or absorb a lot

[wet wraith]

lame

[vocal siren]

Garrosh

[fading bane]

id still rather pick a ret over fury for pushing

[wet wraith]

i want to dual wield 2 handers

[fading bane]

if equal lvls of skill

[olive wraith]

Thane should have let prot use 2h and shield

[vocal siren]

we sucked dick most of cata tho

[buoyant salmon]

you arguably played 2 in every raid since sepulcher

[runic violet]

this

[south kayak]

There's a D3 talent for crusaders that lets them use 2h with a shield

looks great

[vocal siren]

fury was absolute trash in dragonsoul from what i can remember. except maybe spine cuz burst dps was needed then

[velvet drum]

Because I am looking at 95% WCL Mythicv charts and I am going back a few expansions. It wasn't unusual for fury and arms to be at the top of the average dps for a little bit at the start, then theyd get nerf hammered down to middle of the pac or below

[olive wraith]

Polearm shield class fantasy

[south kayak]

It wasn't "absolute trash"

but it wasn't great either

[vocal siren]

im speaking with a 6 year gap of knowledge

i stopped at BFA

so everything in between then and now i have no idea

but generally, my knowledge comes from Wrath - Mists

[south kayak]

arms was better than fury in DS iirc

[runic violet]

You know there was saying, the tentacle sword wields the warrior.. not the other way around.

[vocal siren]

we were good in ToT, we were good in SoO

yes

[velvet drum]

most classes aren't "trash". The question becomes, why bring a warrior over a dk/rogue/paladin/shaman outside of Battleshout

[vocal siren]

arms was better than Fury in DS

[tropic helm]

You didn't run warriors for spine lol

[velvet drum]

when I mean dominate i mean they were so good that you could overlook the lack of utility

[south kayak]

Well, arms was better than fury for the entirety of Cata

[vocal siren]

you did if ur comp lacked burst dps

[buoyant salmon]

why bring a warrior over 3 of the best specs

[velvet drum]

now with rally being nerfed why even bother with warriors outside of maybe Queen and some other pad bosses

[runic violet]

u stack mage and rogue for dragonsoul

[tropic helm]

You ran mages and rogues

[fading bane]

RWF had 1 - 2 - 1 warriors

[south kayak]

I don't get people lol

[fading bane]

in DF

[vocal siren]

GL finding good rogues/mages during progression

[inland spruce]

neat..... great news to read

[vocal siren]

but yes

ideally you had legendary rogues

and legendary mages

[south kayak]

That's the Rashanan incident

[velvet drum]

lmfao

[fading bane]

this is the most skewed shit ever

they removed rashanan adds

[south kayak]

^

[fading bane]

and ovinax has 0 logs

[inland spruce]

ahh okay

[vocal siren]

but if say, your rogue that u fed a legendary to, dipped the next week to go to a top 5 US guild JUST for spine progression and then got benched for everything else

[olive wraith]

Rogue is good now?

[vocal siren]

you had to adjust

[inland spruce]

that's good to know then. I was like wtf

[velvet drum]

I love when blizzard nerfs the fuck out of a class because their tool-kit happens to fit perfectly for encoutners they set up

[wet wraith]

i think the reality is that most people aren't in good enough guilds where it will actually matter what spec or class you're bringing for raid, and in m+ you just take what you can get. only people getting insta invited are aug evokers cuz everyone likes a little ego boost

[buoyant salmon]

i mean at that point why bring ww, all hunters, sub, outlaw, havoc, dev, dps druid, frost mage, spriest, all warlock

[olive wraith]

I thought they were mediocre atm

[south kayak]

Most rashanan fury logs are people playing for adds

[runic violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZHeTNr7xzM

[south kayak]

and adds aren't being counted

so of course that happens lmao

[velvet drum]

every ingle one of these specs bring more utility

[fading bane]

2/3 raids in Shadowlands played 3x warrior lmao

thats nuts

[warm crag]

This will soon change

[velvet drum]

thats why you bring them

[warm crag]

Expect to see me play spear

[buoyant salmon]

define utility

[south kayak]

I know

[sullen dove]

lmao

[south kayak]

I play arms on rashanan now lmao

[wet wraith]

whats really fuckin annoying about the rashanan change is that all the logs pre-infested spawn exclusions are still there

[buoyant salmon]

hunter utility very good and real

[vocal siren]

I dont know if people remembered how bad Spine progression was. All the top guilds were attempting to poach mages and rogues with legendaries

[buoyant salmon]

rogues? fantastic utility they have

[olive wraith]

What does ww bring

[low folio]

assass rogue definitely competing for best dps in M+ imo

[buoyant salmon]

lets see

[vocal siren]

like

[sullen dove]

huge trap feign

[runic violet]

utility = freedom, brez.. .and shit like that

[buoyant salmon]

soothe?

[vocal siren]

ALL the guilds

were sending DMs

to rogues/mages

[velvet drum]

Poisons, slows, ring of frost, grips, roars, wind rush, wind fury, darkness....

[south kayak]

The whole fucking thing is stupid, WCL is being fucking dumb

[runic violet]

dispell

[south kayak]

Holy

[velvet drum]

off-heal

[buoyant salmon]

all of this shit is cope

[vocal siren]

let me check our first kill

[wet wraith]

i agree, but at least if they were all purged it would still be possible to parse well on it

[oak peak]

All I’m trying to say is we could use a stained AOE buff. Outside of CDs our aoe is not great. And in overall M+, our damage even with the best aoe burst in the game, is less than specs like ret, fdk, and enhance. So why bring us instead of them? Battle shout is not really strong enough when those classes also bring things like battle rez, off heals, grips, etc.

[south kayak]

I can't believe how stupid that Rashanan change was

oh man

[vocal siren]

i dont disagree

[south kayak]

I need to stop thinking about this

[fading bane]

Utility is any tool you have to CC, Dispell, help mitigate dmg, etc group wide

[south kayak]

makes me mad

[runic violet]

but I kinda enjoy the fact that warrior is hardly movement impaired. You can free yourself with so many skills.

[oak peak]

But. Yes, we are fine

“Fine”

[runic violet]

and even spell reflect

[oak peak]

Not meta

[south kayak]

Fury CDR is a big utility

[restive peak]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning/1973855/11

[velvet drum]

no its not cope. you are the one drinking the copium. its a FACT that warriors have shit utility outside of rally. and rally is nerfed. warriors are also tanky usually but thats it

[oak peak]

And thats ok.

[buoyant salmon]

Why bring us outside of 3 of the best specs?

[restive peak]

This is why nothing ever improves

[buoyant salmon]

why dont you lick my nuts pussy

gottem

[restive peak]

I posted this, and 1 of the 1st 5 posts was saying "WHY DONT YOU DEFEND FERALS AND ROGUES AND SUCH"

[oak peak]

Best 3 melee specs

[restive peak]

Literally a section of my post saying exactly those classes need buffs

[buoyant salmon]

utility means dogass man

[oak peak]

Not best 3z

[buoyant salmon]

fury has the best aoe stop in the game

[restive peak]

All replies hyperfixated on I'm a warrior, not bothering to read

[oak peak]

That’s ignoring all ranged

[fading bane]

windfury isnt utility

[buoyant salmon]

besides colossus warrior lol

[restive peak]

Noone in here ever goes to actually post, just complains here etc

[velvet drum]

ah ok.... utility means dog ass he says

[south kayak]

These are the kind of people that post on there

Not the ones that actually know what they're talking about

or understand things

[vocal siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYFIAyOtmA8 heres our first Spine of Deathwing kill

[restive peak]

Well the mage/boomie forums explode and get changes

[south kayak]

It's futile

[vocal siren]

I think we were top 30 US

our madness was US 29th

[buoyant salmon]

utility has never mattered (outside of aug which is entirely different) for high keys literally ever

[south kayak]

Our forums never explode though, no warrior is there lol

[velvet drum]

ok, now you are talking out of your ass

[restive peak]

So constantly refusing to post as well and back up the changes is 1 of the reasons we don't see changes

[wet wraith]

lmao

[restive peak]

Exactly my point

So if you're NA, go reply on my post

[buoyant salmon]

name 1 time

healers dont count thats also entirely different

[vocal siren]

I was Arms im pretty sure

[gusty cloak]

make us great again, linc

[vocal siren]

because i remembered hating being arms

[oak peak]

Utility kinda matters of damage is the same

[fading bane]

i literally use Sac perma when im playing my pala

[oak peak]

But that’s about it

[south kayak]

Unless everyone here decides to go there or some mods make some sort of post to post there, no one is gonna do anything

[fading bane]

thats helpful utility right there

[velvet drum]

Grips on Anduin, ring of frost on sylvannas, roar on every single boss, AMZ on every single boss, block/cloak to cheese mechanis, bubble... lay on hands.... wtf are you talking about

[south kayak]

Unfortunately, I'm not

[runic violet]

Arms rotation is too dull to play for me.

[buoyant salmon]

we are talking about m+

[olive wraith]

Wait we’re talking about raid or m+

[vocal siren]

being forced to go arms for first half of legion

[buoyant salmon]

warrior is in every single raid bc of battleshout

[vocal siren]

made me so fucking mad

[fading bane]

those are still relevant in m+

[buoyant salmon]

is ring of frost relevant in m+

[runic violet]

Legion arms wasn't bad. I think i enjoyed it.

[buoyant salmon]

thats unbelievable cope

[vocal siren]

legion arms was fine

[velvet drum]

Raid... why would I talk about M+ when I started this conversation talking about raid parses going back multiple expansions

[runic violet]

forever stacking execute 😄

[vocal gazelle]

WTB warrior lust

[vocal siren]

if you got lucky and got ring or gloves

[oak peak]

I’m talking M+, not raid

[vocal siren]

early on

i got gloves

and smashed

[buoyant salmon]

well if ur talking about raid youre dumb

fury has been really good every single raid for the past 5 patches

[oak peak]

Of course you want every buff for raid

[buoyant salmon]

and hasnt ever been bad in any patch in modern wow besides nathria

[fading bane]

ring of frost on first boss Arakara can save you from killing a set of adds and killing boss, can also be used on last weeks affix etc

[velvet drum]

yea... clearly... lmfao

[buoyant salmon]

(where world first sire still had arms)

so like

idk what ur talking about

raid has never been an issue for dps warrior

[velvet drum]

and i literally mentioned sire

[buoyant salmon]

theyre always a great pick

[velvet drum]

i dont thnk you read anything i said and are just rage baiting

[buoyant salmon]

im not a fan i dont read everything you ever type

[velvet drum]

all good bubba

[rough tulip]

every day i wake up and i think about venthyr arms warrior

[vocal siren]

whats modern wow

[buoyant salmon]

you think warrior is bad in raid

[vocal siren]

where is ur cutoff

[buoyant salmon]

i think youre stupid

[velvet drum]

if you don't read what is being discussed then why even comment

rage baiting man-child lmao

[buoyant salmon]

old wow is before mop oldish mop is before legion modern wow is legion onwards

[vocal gazelle]

There’s no good lore reason why lust shouldn’t be a warrior ability as well to extend our utility to match some other classes

[buoyant salmon]

id say

[oak peak]

“Great pick” and “mandatory to have battle shout” are very different

[runic violet]

warrior isn't bad in raid even with the nerf... but will be bad in M+

[buoyant salmon]

???

[vocal siren]

gotcha

[wet wraith]

we need to start passing the tuna down or something

[merry cloak]

so, just curious since im eu, did the ptr nerfs get implemented on us realms?

[buoyant salmon]

name 1 patch dps warrior hasnt been good in raid in the past 5 years

[vocal siren]

just FYI, fury was bad first 2 raid tiers of legion

well

[buoyant salmon]

outside of nathria

[runic violet]

because the fight consists of periodic spawn adds which fury eats all.

[vocal siren]

not "bad" but not good

[olive wraith]

Not till .5 patch I think

Na servers aren’t live atm anyways

[tardy lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905806811272200202/906121410395635722/PASSTHEWINDFURYDOWNENH.gif

[oak peak]

Yeah we are actually pretty bad this raid if you look at boss damage. But get propped up because of fast easy adds

[tardy lark]

[vocal siren]

i dont know about other classes but im also assuming their 4pc is better than ours

[fathom valley]

Fury 26th on overall dps 🥲

[bitter palm]

[sullen dove]

who in their right mind even spends 1 second thinking about classes utility in raid, you can argue that for m+ but it’s literally the last thought anyone ever has in raid

[vocal siren]

so thats another lever

[sullen dove]

raid is about doing damage

[fathom valley]

21st*

[olive wraith]

Killing ads helps kill the boss though

[restive peak]

A lot of the anger people have comes from things I cover in my post; it's not that you don't get to be #1, it's that the gap between some entire CLASSES is 15-20%

It's unacceptable

[fading bane]

fury is legit a top 1 or 2 spec for 2 out of the 4 relevant bosses

[fathom valley]

Guess we should get a few more nerfs

[bitter palm]

look guys we arent to p5

boss dam

[fading bane]

thats what matters

[restive peak]

We are now 21st on overall, 26th on boss damage

[fathom valley]

The absolute brainrot if Blizzard decides to cap us at 5 targets

[sullen dove]

On the first 4 bosses of the raid oh no

[low folio]

i am joining the forum posts, down with the disbelievers

[sullen dove]

😱 🙀

[oak peak]

Never said adds aren’t important. Just said we would be bad if it weren’t for adds. Which makes us useful

[sullen dove]

2 single target bosses and a third with barely any adds

[olive wraith]

Or just buff our 5target

[spare steppe]

And yet still too high in the eyes of blizzard

[fading bane]

thats kinda our niche atm tho

[bitter palm]

u wanted that niche

u wanted insane burst aoe

[fading bane]

who

[lament hinge]

expansion

[bitter palm]

not you but people in general

[restive peak]

The problem is that they gave us the niche, they nerfed our niche, with zero compensation for anything else

[oak peak]

That’s fine. Just want little better sustain AoE

[buoyant salmon]

ppl said fury was too flat

now we get burst

[bitter palm]

agreed

[buoyant salmon]

fury is too spiky

[olive wraith]

We were pretty good s3 DF

[sullen dove]

our niche doesn’t apply to any of the first 4 bosses

[bitter palm]

they gave us our niche

[restive peak]

and if they nerfed the outliers, I wouldn't care

[low folio]

i like short cooldown big burst playstyle for sure, until raid gets me nerfed

[bitter palm]

made a fucking raid around our niche

then nerfed us xd

[restive peak]

It's things like Arcane/Frost/Enh getting nerfs but compensatory buffs, while remaining #1-3, and watching us get nuked from 1 to 21 with nothing

That really pisses me off

[median dust]

We should nerf Fury more -Blizzard

[restive peak]

If they nerfed everything equally, I wouldn't care

[sullen dove]

What even is thisnimage

[restive peak]

If they balanced within a margin of 3-5%, I wouldn't care

[bitter palm]

idk

[sullen dove]

Is he doing 1.1m overall?

[bitter palm]

1 billion damage

[buoyant salmon]

screenshotting a lust massive pull on unholy is insane

[bitter palm]

or something

[buoyant salmon]

11m dps

[bitter palm]

1.1 billion

🎦

[south kayak]

@restive peak I'm probably not even going to touch warrior until they do some tuning passes that aren't completely pulled out of their fucking asses and actually thought up properly. Fucking idiotic morons. Need to be fired ASAP, this is not the type of person you want doing tuning, fucking clueless

[buoyant salmon]

oh thats overall

[wet wraith]

remember the aberrus exploit with just one unholy dk and the rest aug evokers, shit was sick

[buoyant salmon]

idk man their first pull was insane

[pearl sequoia]

fury does 1.1 billion dps in blizzards eyes

[sullen dove]

box in his gromnak era now wowzers

[buoyant salmon]

it was like 15% count or some shot

shit

[honest sundial]

that's why we ALL gotta be loud and spam blizzard cuz they can't make proper decisions on their own regarding warrior changes

[bitter palm]

someone at blizz

[stable frost]

This is new to yall? You weren't watching that same chart during the week laughing at how badly blizzard fucked it up?

[bitter palm]

didnt like fury doing adds

its that shrimple

[hasty tide]

I'm just shocked we expect anything different kekw

[bitter palm]

(it still does adds)

[smoky vale]

what even is your new pfp

[bitter palm]

coordinated attack from wclogs and blizz

i knew it

[restive peak]

Truly I knew we would drop before the nerfs in mythic, I expected us to be mid pack, I didn't expect to drop from 1 to 21

[sullen dove]

:3

[restive peak]

It is insane

[median dust]

Hey man. Just get 4 set. That will fix it. XD

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[sullen dove]

21 on the 4 bosses we don’t do shit on

no shit we look bad

[steep lynx]

this shit is wack asf fury dropped 20 spots after i saw the nerfs coming i swapped to prot

[smoky vale]

no fr :3

[sullen dove]

get some more ovinax logs prop thst up real good

[thorny shoal]

need to start actually crying like mages do

[bitter palm]

rashanan change is diabolical

[sullen dove]

once ppl actually killing ansurek reliably you’ll see some shit

[restive peak]

And then kyveza/silken fury sucks again by the way

[gusty cloak]

everyones heated

[restive peak]

Max already said after looking at their kill log that 2 warriors was a mistake, but it was too late in prog

I will as well

[steep lynx]

how is it acceptable that a mage can stay in the top but fury doing good is a bad thing i mean fuck s4 df we were in the 20s also...

[sullen dove]

seems this raid is no longer made for fury how quizzical

[hasty tide]

Everyone's confused which leads to being heated lol

[restive peak]

And I told people over and over we did not want to be #1

[stable frost]

You didn't play during nyalotha I guess

[south kayak]

Blizzard devs being fucking stupid is the issue

fire those dumbasses

or whoever tunes

[restive peak]

But this was a tactical nuke, on top of the anniversary nerf, and it just makes no sense

[buoyant salmon]

other 3 patches were was good as fuck tho

[restive peak]

Which is the only reason I'm frustrated

[south kayak]

learn to tune

idiot

[restive peak]

Nuking us is fine, assuming you nuke everything that was already as good as us too

[steep lynx]

i didnt wanna be #1 plus i like m+ more then raiding and fury feels like dog shit in m+ when u got a ret pally pumping every fucking pull

[restive peak]

Otherwise it's just nuking 1 spec out of the game

[south kayak]

That's not the case

[vestal root]

Wait wait is there news of some new nerf or we talkin thr 3rd one?

[sullen dove]

come on doooood

[south kayak]

I'm pretty pissed and I'm not gonna play fury in .5 if they don't do changes

[south kayak]

We're talking about nerfs in general

[vestal root]

Ah

[south kayak]

and how they're still not nerfing the top specs

[gusty cloak]

ret pallies gaping us every other pull, ending up far ahead end of dungeon

[restive peak]

I know that's what I'm saying

[south kayak]

I'd like to see arcane nuked from orbit

from 1 to 0

[restive peak]

If when they nuked us they had also nuked fdk/arcane/enh

[south kayak]

fuck them

[vestal root]

Play arms ez

[restive peak]

I probably wouldn't be as frustrated

[eager thorn]

if im gonna make big opener macro like reck ava tr i want to put blood fury before ava and tr right

[south kayak]

dogshit spec

fuck arms

[median dust]

If they reverted the 3% Aura I would be fine with it tbh.

[restive peak]

Or if they'd held off on the 3% aura nerf for a few days to see

I don't even disagree w the BS/OF nerf

[steep lynx]

i enjoyed being able to nuke every pull now its every other u just cant keep up it feels bad

[south kayak]

I'd rather do cbt for 10 days than play arms

[restive peak]

But they can never just balance

[buoyant salmon]

fury mains are insane

[wet wraith]

anyone know off top what the dps loss for using frenzied enrage over powerful in m+ is? thats the main reason fury feels like ass in keys for me

[south kayak]

(i'm exaggerating)

[sudden tusk]

[buoyant salmon]

how are ppl so insanely anti arms

[oak peak]

Give us a rampage buff. Helps ST and sustained AoE a bit. Or something like that

[south kayak]

Because it plays like shit

[buoyant salmon]

where youd never ever play it regardless of how good it is over fury

[restive peak]

Arms AOE feels so bad Choco

[median dust]

Two Sargeras Warriors on the same wave link. You love to see it.

[restive peak]

You know it does

[vestal root]

Idk only warrior players dont wanna spec to other dps spec

[wet wraith]

we're in the fury channel, and arms feels wonky as hell this season

[vestal root]

Locks mages rogues do it

[oak peak]

Arms is just less fun to me. Slow. Meh

[buoyant salmon]

arms aoe is sick as colossus i love it

[restive peak]

LOVE to see it

[vestal root]

But warrs be like fury or im quittin

[velvet obsidian]

Arms is a boring spec with half of the weapons equipped that it needs. It's how it is.

[buoyant salmon]

i think slayer is a zzzzz hero talent tree

[steep lynx]

i legit havent played prot since retail wotlk the nerfs did me in and i only ever played arms in pvp it feels way 2 fucking slow in pve

[south kayak]

Where are the competent devs

how is this acceptable

[restive peak]

See it's a fair point until you realize they giga buffed mages weaker specs til they were all top 10 again

[south kayak]

If i don't see enha/fdk/arcane nerfed in the next few days, im losing it

[forest owl]

i hate arms, it has 1 weapon, fury has 2 sticks, therefore i bonk as fury

[restive peak]

Like arcane was already arguably #1/2 for all content, frost was very good

So they buffed frost, and giga buffed fire

[eternal sundial]

My stance on it is clear

[restive peak]

And now fire is back into the top 10 as well

[vestal root]

You are missing the fact mages are and always have been blizzard #1

[restive peak]

All 3 hunter specs are top 10 ST, 2 are top 10 overall

[bitter palm]

it is

[radiant plank]

Buff Arms

[restive peak]

Both DK specs are top 10 in both

Both shaman specs? top 10 is both

[south kayak]

Call for whoever does the tuning to be fired

lazy piece of shit

[bitter palm]

too bad they did nothing in tww with arms

[restive peak]

Arms? Good ST, mid overall. Fury neutered.

It just makes no sense

[vestal root]

Go to forums with all these opinikns btw

[bitter palm]

they made sure to rework everyone

except arms

[vestal root]

Onions

[south kayak]

Oh burst is the issue for fury? lets nerf it all by 3%, fucking idiot

[rotund ginkgo]

Mouse is confirmed comfy

[bitter palm]

which laready played like shit in df

all of df

[vestal root]

19.0

[rotund ginkgo]

Buttond are incredibly loud though compared to my 6 year old deathadder

[south kayak]

@restive peak the 3% nerf is literally the definition of laziness

fire that dude

[velvet obsidian]

Pretty

[median dust]

Ill never give up my logi650 with the ring finger button

[restive peak]

Yes 110%

[eternal sundial]

You should chill out

[south kayak]

I'm not going to

[restive peak]

Oh you know, just nuke fuckin powerful enrage because it's the source of ALL of the issues

[south kayak]

if i chill out, they won't do anything

[eternal sundial]

Go to the forums

[restive peak]

And then fix us

[vestal root]

Anger Management

[eternal sundial]

Spread the word

[radiant plank]

Btw any tips to stop my Left Knee from hurting when i am squatting

[south kayak]

I'm on fucking EU lmao

no one cares

[restive peak]

Literally powerful enrage caused all of this

[south kayak]

delete powerful enrage

[wet wraith]

lets not act like we aren't all currently phoning it in at work. i'm busy as hell but instead im in here shitposting

[velvet obsidian]

Bro the warrior dev can't even be bothered to spell our abilities right you think we're going to get in depth tuning

[median dust]

EU Warrior lol. Basically playing guild wars 2 at that point

[vestal root]

Play arms :)

[restive peak]

There are about 20 you could try but it's impossible to narrow down without an assessment haha

[velvet obsidian]

Real

[stiff barn]

Tried knee sleeves?

[steep lynx]

whens the rework for warrior coming havent pallys got reworked like twice in the last 2 expansions

[vestal root]

Gw2 warrior is peak warrior

[rose bay]

there getting a semi one in .5 2

[bitter palm]

ret deserved it in 10.0.7

it legit

[rose bay]

isnt that fun?

[south kayak]

at least it's so easy to reroll to a different class now

[bitter palm]

didnt have a defensive cooldown

[radiant plank]

holy

[south kayak]

just don't play warrior

that simple

[velvet obsidian]

Play Prot

[south kayak]

they'll see 0 people playing fury

[velvet obsidian]

Not DPS warr

[south kayak]

and they'll have to do something

[eternal sundial]

Like that helped SV or feral

For years

[fathom valley]

hey guys at least we are decent on ansurek kek

[south kayak]

they are like that generally though

fury isn't

[steep lynx]

ive played warrior since i started playing wow its all i know zug zug

[buoyant salmon]

surv had 2 good patches ever

[velvet obsidian]

It did for SV, they actually have a niche in dungeons don't they?

[south kayak]

fury is usually one of the most played specs

[median dust]

Go play Demolish spec untill you watch a Paladin do Wake of Ashes.. Same fucking animation, but they can ride around on a horse while we have to animation cancel or jump to not miss a moving target LMAOOOOO

[fathom valley]

and still we get shafted

[buoyant salmon]

no they dont have a niche

they just dont eat crayons this patch they are good

[forest owl]

aren't overall statistics a bit skewed due to rashanan discounting add dmg?

[south kayak]

no they're completely accurate

we suck

Look at this fucking prick

[tender sky]

* Fury is nerfed
* Other classes scale better with gear, trinkets, and tier <-- YOU ARE HERE
* Arms is meta for majority of season

[south kayak]

How can i punch someone

through a screen

[pearl sequoia]

ive played so many classes over the years, not 1 has been 'hard to play'

[restive peak]

People who pretend their spec is hard are braindead on this game

[thorny shoal]

take solace in the fact that they're using an alt to post so they're most likely gray logging

[median dust]

Best way to fix fury is let us wield 3 weapons Zorro style.

[bitter palm]

lil bro afraid from posting it on his main

[restive peak]

Outlaw and Enh are clunky messes, everything else is extremely simple and smooth as butter.

[bitter palm]

so he doesnt get blasted

[wide scaffold]

so we go back to arms now? ^^'

[buoyant salmon]

the only hard part about classes is some burst sequences

where the filler rotation is piss easy

[bitter palm]

people called df outlaw hard after the rework

xd

hard cause fast

lmao

[tender sky]

1-2 more weeks until fury is put back on the shelf and everyone plays arms again 🥲

[south kayak]

well, it wasn't hard but it was very punishing if you made a mistake

[median dust]

Played enhance one season... That casino royale class ain't for me. Was having nightmares of keys lighting up

[static rock]

Were the aoe nerfs live today or this past week?

[bitter palm]

takes 3 hours of gameplay to stop making mistakes