uh like everyone no
#fury
warm crag
crisp prism
fury single target is really bad atm
warm crag
best players bringing the best specs why wouldnt you want to copy what they're doing
crisp prism
i care about the game i play
which is mainly m+ i raid 6 hours a week
spec does 0 dam atm
spec also does really bad st
overnerfed
cuz 45 sec raid design
warm crag
then reroll to a class whose niche is being good at m+
lusty hedge
Woot! More nerfs! Are you guys excited!??!
crisp prism
i rather ask fury buffs instead cuz i enjoy the playstyle
velvet obsidian
If we get one more we can assemble them into the infinity gauntlet and snap half of the DPS warrs from existence. Big hype!
iron holly
did we get nerfed again?
lusty hedge
We could all re-roll into prot warriors and refuse to tank any content
quiet yew
Woot! More nerfs! Are you guys excited!??!
warm crag
idk i somewhat doubt that ptr nerf will go through uncompensated
lusty hedge
yes we are getting nerfed again...thunderous roar does reduced damage beyond 5 targets (was 8), odyns fury does reduced damage beyond 5 targets (was 8)
warm crag
its weird that the first 2 nerf were kneejerk weekly hotfixes and this one is announced a month in advance
lusty hedge
I'm surprised they aren't nerfing frost Dk their dmg is insane
quiet geyser
blizz panic nerfs during hc week lmaoo..
The AoE burst nerf was justified
3% nerf was a bit iffy
lusty hedge
nerf our already shit st, gg blizz
lusty hedge
maybe people just don't like playing arms
warm crag
then you cant expect to be optimal at literally the entire game
quiet geyser
spec arms if all you care abt is st no
I mean thats not an excuse for fury having dumpster fire ST lol
plucky ice
i dont wanna be a pure aoe bot with tier zero st, rather it be more balanced
bad design lmao
warm crag
I mean thats not an excuse for fury having dumpster fire ST lol
roughly lower third in simc
raid stats are pushed downwards cause every good player either plays their cds around add spawns or specs arms on st fights
quiet geyser
Cuz we should follow simc dmg cuz its always accurate in real time right
warm crag
for patchwerk yeah it tends to be
quiet geyser
Who the fuck mentioned parchwerk? Lmao
warm crag
unless you have a reasonable point why it wouldnt be in this raid
uh you when you said st
current st fights are effectively patchwerk
quiet geyser
ST damage doesnt mean patchwerk. We were nerfed originally due to raid design fitting fury's kit too well, meanwhile both ST fights have spots where you have minor downtime on bosses
quiet geyser
current st fights are effectively patchwerk
Ugh? What.
plucky ice
only a 313k dps diff between best fury and top BM on sik mythic lmao
warm crag
no did you read what i said
quiet geyser
So you're saying NO good warriors played fury for silk? If i wasn't using 95th percentile i'de agree
But argument is just invalid.
warm crag
alright you do you
covert blaze
So you're saying NO good warriors played fury for silk? If i wasn't using 95th p...
how does percentile matter
if the good warriors are not playing it
per spongie's argument
what
quiet geyser
Silk had 714 arm parses over the last week
Fury had 1600+
Ur telling me Not one good warrior played fury
With over 1600 parses? Lmao
covert blaze
what fight are you talking about
quiet geyser
Silk
quiet geyser
Sikran sorry
quiet geyser
The argument was about ST damage lol
quiet geyser
Spongie knew i was making a typo obviously
covert blaze
if arms is better st it makes sense good players that can play both are playing arms instead of fury possibly
that's what spongie meant
quiet geyser
And again, im calling bullshit that out of 1600+ parses not atleast 1 or 2 god level warriors played fury
plucky ice
16th war on sikran played fury, not a whjole lot worse tbh
not like arms turns u into st god
covert blaze
And again, im calling bullshit that out of 1600+ parses not atleast 1 or 2 god l...
im not sure what point youre trying to make
warm crag
are we not looking at percentile stats right now when you said that fury was dead last
why would one or two individual performances matter in this context
real wedge
He saying fury bad single target.
Fury is bad single target.
We just nit picking how bad or how much worse ect
quiet geyser
im not sure what point youre trying to make
Hes trying to insist fury sik parses are poo cuz all good warriors played arms. Im saying with almost 3x more parses, its hads to believe not atleast 1 or 2 "god" level warriors played fury.
covert blaze
Hes trying to insist fury sik parses are poo cuz all good warriors played arms. ...
pretty sure fury is historically more popular
i agree with spong that arms being better st will make fury look worse cause less people that are good at both play it
i dont think it will make it look way way worse than it is tho
but it has somewhat of an impact imo
quiet geyser
i agree with spong that arms being better st will make fury look worse cause les...
Sure, but you still have some big names playing fury on that boss simply cuz its easy and its "meh" to switch.
warm crag
again why would individual performances matter
pseudo vapor
who cares about min maxing to the top 99.999999999999% of players bro just play what you enjoy
marble swift
whys everyone on murlok io using ascension embellishment for fury
acoustic yoke
whys everyone on murlok io using ascension embellishment for fury
cause it's better in raid
quiet geyser
again why would individual performances matter
How doesnt it? Im confused what ur point is here
marble swift
but its m+
warm crag
im describing a trend which becomes pretty apparent when you look at what spec a more dps intensive boss like ky'veza is being played as
warm crag
who cares about min maxing to the top 99.999999999999% of players bro just play ...
this guy gets it
acoustic yoke
but its m+
you only have 3 sparks now
warm crag
whys everyone on murlok io using ascension embellishment for fury
guaranteed mythic ilvl weapon is enough of a reason probably
real wedge
but its m+
Early season you craft weapon because you have no weapon
Later more optimal m+ only gear will rise with more sparks
acoustic yoke
just an opportunity cost kinda deal
warm crag
How doesnt it? Im confused what ur point is here
what are you arguing about? you're simultaneously conflating individual performances while complaining that fury is last in a boss damage filter on wclogs
pick one and i can come up with a response that makes sense
hardy cargo
our st is most definitely shit
quiet geyser
what are you arguing about? you're simultaneously conflating individual performa...
Your argument was fury shit sik damage cuz all "good" warriors played arms there. I'm calling shenanigans on that, with 3x more fury parses, I'm sure atleast a handful of "good" warriors are still playing fury cuz its an easy boss. If using max percentile parses, fury is still dead last on that boss
dreamy igloo
our st is most definitely shit
acoustic yoke
our st is most definitely shit
i'm not sure if we're the worst so didn't want to overreact with my word choice
warm crag
Your argument was fury shit sik damage cuz all "good" warriors played arms there...
ok but this isnt about a handful im describing a trend and most of the time good warriors will pick the spec that has more throughput on an st fight
hardy cargo
i'm not sure if we're the worst so didn't want to overreact with my word choice
if u wanna see smth silly go check out sikran 99th percentile any difficulty
quiet geyser
Sure, "most of the time" but for your point to make sense, there would have to be 0 good warriors playing fury there
Which is hard to believe
narrow narwhal
Me playing fury so far hasn't been a hindrance.
warm crag
Sure, "most of the time" but for your point to make sense, there would have to b...
uh no when you're looking at a percentile which you are looking at "a handful" wouldnt make a difference to my argument
how would one good player playing a fight perfectly with good rng affect the 99th percentile ST graph
olive wraith
Fire mage is kinda fun
hardy cargo
Fire mage is kinda fun
ember apex
if u guys want to feel really dirty, go play ret paladin, that shit is so decadent
hardy cargo
we lose another one
acoustic yoke
if u wanna see smth silly go check out sikran 99th percentile any difficulty
actually disgusting wtf
stuck sentinel
if u guys want to feel really dirty, go play ret paladin, that shit is so decade...
Explain…
quiet geyser
uh no when you're looking at a percentile which you are looking at "a handful" w...
So you think if danwar rev and all them played fury on sik, to the best of the class ability, fury would all of a sudden not be last place at 99%.
ember apex
You feel the same way an adult feels eating a kid's sugar cereal. Like you respect them less but u understand it.
hardy cargo
actually disgusting wtf
as spongo is saying its affected some by all the best players rocking arms rn, though I am unsure how much it affects it I dont think its too much of a difference
ember apex
that's my feelings w/ ret paladins now after trying for the first time this season. i respect ret paladins a lot less, BUT i understand
acoustic yoke
as spongo is saying its affected some by all the best players rocking arms rn, t...
yeah I don't think it sways it that significantly
olive wraith
Ret or fire mage for keys
quiet geyser
as spongo is saying its affected some by all the best players rocking arms rn, t...
Thats what im trying to say lol. It wouldn't male a diff at all. Fury would still be dead last
Maybe 2nd last? 🙃
warm crag
So you think if danwar rev and all them played fury on sik, to the best of the c...
if they publi logged and arms wasnt a thing yeah it certainly wouldnt be dead last
although tbf i think some of them actually played fury on that fight cause throughput wasnt an issue at all
hardy cargo
nah the fight is piss easy so no shot it matters at all
when more guilds get kyveza down it will be more telling I think
warm crag
p sure theres zero kyveza fury attempts tho idk
hardy cargo
ok time to spec fury and never touch arms again 
quiet geyser
Doesnt kyveza also have that weird thing where you cant miss vs her?
acoustic yoke
I thought it was miss as well
nah i just wanted clarification on what you meant by miss
guessing dodge or something
young swan
p sure theres zero kyveza fury attempts tho idk
think again
ember apex
kyveza is fury?
i thought for sure u go arms
i guess if u dont have arms gear maybe?
young swan
i dont want to
ember apex
i also dont want to, is that simply an option
acoustic yoke
young swan
by the time u get there it will be
quiet geyser
Lmao
warm crag
think again
wtf!!!!
ember apex
im 3/8M 😭
warm crag
by the time u get there it will be
i did pull it as arms...
young swan
all good
covert blaze
by the time u get there it will be
holy
ember apex
wym whats wrong w/ ovinax
ember apex
so? we just get him
young swan
by the time I get there i'll be able to play fury as well
young swan
we just pulled some kyveza cause the fight is mechanically very easy and ovinax prob isnt dying without some more nerfs
serene moat
What would you anser your raidlead, if he tells you to pull all your cds instant on Rashanan mythic?
ember apex
literally i think u feel like that b/c u have bad transmog so u have lack confidence + low self esteem due to bad transmog
when i get in there
im gonna pop off
young swan
What would you anser your raidlead, if he tells you to pull all your cds instant...
suck a pickel
young swan
literally i think u feel like that b/c u have bad transmog so u have lack confid...
i crank the boss
(adds)
warm crag
we just pulled some kyveza cause the fight is mechanically very easy and ovinax ...
ok whats ur best ovinax pull noober
ember apex
(same)
warm crag
why are u trashtalking are u cooked
ember apex
What would you anser your raidlead, if he tells you to pull all your cds instant...
id got ST spec and do what he says and get a good parse
young swan
im not trash talking are u stupid
ember apex
OR i'd just follow lorrgs and do my job
covert blaze
im not trash talking are u stupid
insane statement
warm crag
ur not killing ovinax for like 3 years at least
we are actually very close...
young swan
kyveza is very mechanically easy and we arent killing ovinax without more nerfs
covert blaze
(out of context)
young swan
so we practiced kyveza
ember apex
why are u trashtalking are u cooked
someone asked him "what WOULD you tell your RL if...."
ur not reading
warm crag
well maybe i am an idiot?
ember apex
like a hypothetical to someone he doesnt know. was he supposed to buy him a hallmark card
covert blaze
warm crag
xan idiotphobic
ember apex
kyveza is very mechanically easy and we arent killing ovinax without more nerfs
it's crazy bosses are tuned this highly still. i saw some ppl on X being like kill first 4 farm BoEs
young swan
yeah its real bad
covert blaze
scaling buff is next week right
quiet geyser
Blizz did warn us though
quiet geyser
Mind you they said it would be earlier in the raid
fading bane
its gg
young swan
the boss has 9b hp
warm crag
and i do 9b dps
warm crag
Fuck!!!!
covert blaze
and i do 9b dps
only baze can reach those kinds of numbers
warm crag
xantaga when will you ban them all
warm crag
only baze can reach those kinds of numbers
pulls on tindral?
young swan
but otherwise just insanely out of touch and no idea what ur talking about when it concerns the 800 other guilds progging ovinax
covert blaze
pulls on tindral?
💀
rotund ginkgo
compliment resto druid when we time key
add him to friendlist
he accepts
he promptly removes me and ignores me
????
warm crag
idk id be very sad if ovinax gets nerfed before i kill it but ye that fight needs a nerf for the noobers
ember apex
xantaga when will you ban them all
ppl demanding bans should maybe be the first to get it
warm crag
idk how u nerf it without ruining it
fathom fable
>compliment resto druid when we time key
>add him to friendlist
>he accepts
>he ...
he rerolled shaman
young swan
idk how u nerf it without ruining it
just nerf boss hp
oblique trail
If you don't kill it before it gets nerfed, doesn't that mean you're a noober too?
young swan
and nerf swirlies
warm crag
just nerf boss hp
then the problem still persists or
rotund ginkgo
he rerolled shaman
in his defense i did say "F tier healer" before the key started
ETU
warm crag
If you don't kill it before it gets nerfed, doesn't that mean you're a noober to...
have you kille the boss?
ember apex
ppl were saying swirlies were omega unreasonable
young swan
yeah the swirlies suck
young swan
by far the worst part of the fight
oblique trail
Omg that's me!
warm crag
idk hp and swirlies would be a nice nerf
quiet geyser
ppl were saying swirlies were omega unreasonable
You legit just cant see them
young swan
i mean the fight is already ruined
random sand
Is there a master list of what can be Shadow Meld / Spell Reflected in M+, or maybe a weakaura?
young swan
just let people kill it
warm crag
would still make eggs annoyingly finnicky
warm crag
just let people kill it
No
oblique trail
And also remove the collision of eggs
rotund ginkgo
Is there a master list of what can be Shadow Meld / Spell Reflected in M+, or ma...
usually if its casted at you its meldable
meager void
Give swirlies an outline+
the Grim Batol treatment aye, its likely coming too.
rotund ginkgo
rule of thumb i have is: does it directly deal damage? is it a cast? its probably reflect/meldable
random sand
usually if its casted at you its meldable
Got it - I've been a dwarf for so many years lol
fading bane
i dont think the boss hp is the issue
warm crag
And also remove the collision of eggs
double circle range i think so everyone gets oneshot by swirlies
fading bane
give more time on egg break debuffs
warm crag
thoughts?
rotund ginkgo
@random sand some things shouldnt be melded though
fading bane
longer cast times
rotund ginkgo
first boss in NW frontal thingy if u meld it just goes on some1 else
hexed oriole
do anyone have a problem with macro
#showtooltip Rampage
/cast Bloodbath
/cast Rampage
it dont work for me anymore
warm crag
first boss in NW frontal thingy if u meld it just goes on some1 else
deserved
young swan
i havent noticed them being faster
fading bane
swirlies should just not happen during breaks
young swan
swirlies should just not happen during breaks
thats the change that needs to happen
ember apex
do u guys know how swirlies get fainter on the outside edges of the swirly?
i think the swirly should be on a sliding damage gradient, so if ur standing in the DEAD center of a swirly u take 100% damage, but if u have like 1 foot barely in and one foot out, you take like 10% damage.
that way they behave how they look.
and when the mechanic has a solid color it's pass/fail u take 100% damage no matter how much u get hit by
what u guys think
fading bane
rotund ginkgo
he just gets dizzy and leaves
warm crag
swirlies need to be slower so i can react if my pc is lagging hard enough so i cant react to them thoughts?
young swan
thats only the cast speed on the kick
warm crag
imagine every1 melds
i think if everyone melds you do something called "resetting the boss" which is very good for timing keys
you made the same joke i think
mine is clearer therefore funnier
warm crag
ok mine is funnier
meager void
do u guys know how swirlies get fainter on the outside edges of the swirly?
i t...
I would like this. making two type of cones, lines, frontals, puddles. Fully outlined ones means full dmg all around, gradient ones do what Carlo says.
covert blaze
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1203911309490389054/1211448849047232582...
how im tryna be
verbal rivet
I would appreciate better circles on Broodtwister. That is all
covert blaze
i would appreciate more fps
verbal rivet
I can’t see the floor through the Frost DK CDs. Very upsetting,
We are strafing on a prayer out here
oblique trail
I had 50~ fps for a few pulls
All it took was for me to turn off almost all my addons and restart my game
meager void
im sure other melee love Bladestorm.
verbal rivet
im sure other melee love Bladestorm.
That’s not my problem. I get big number on Broodtwister and get them out of webs.
👁️👄👁️
Complaining is only acceptable when it’s one sided and you make no concessions.
meager void
good man.
chrome plover
<@174930507857920000> some things shouldnt be melded though
i popped cds because exile was on a mage on last boss
and he invised it and it went on me :)
meager void
and lets not even think if Champion's Doodoo becomes best for MT
"I couldnt see shit cuz of the warrior shit"
young swan
i popped cds because exile was on a mage on last boss
and he invised it and it ...
why didnt u dodge it too
fading bane
thats only the cast speed on the kick
meant time to break egg + cast time of worms
tidal kindle
@young swan newest wclcord yap is out
young swan
yeah but why
fading bane
to make egg breaks more consistent
tidal kindle
fading bane
its a fail/pass mechanic
young swan
<@137363315817971712> newest wclcord yap is out
fading bane
on a 5th boss
chrome plover
why didnt u dodge it too
because on my non-nelf shaman :(
restive peak
The eggs are never the problem after your 1st like 20 pulls
pine atlas
1 week into 80, ilvl 587, gear is pretty much all the crafted 590 stuff (incl weapons) or similar ilvl except a lucky 610 belt and mostly <580 back/rings/trinks. Just got the free enchanted runed crest from the campaign quest and my first instinct is to use it along with my 2 sparks for the 619 crafted weapon, is that dumb?
restive peak
Wait to have 90 mythic crests, make 2h at 636 right off the bat
Then use the free heroic 1 for belt/bracers/boots/cloak w writhing armor, whichever slot you're downbad the most in of those 4
paper ivy
pine atlas
how long does it take to get the mythic crests? havent played since mists and so far I've pretty much just done up to t8 delves and a couple heroic dungeons, still trying to be less trash before doing mythics
slender needle
is this treachorous transmitter trinket a bait ? anyone used it ? what kind of puzzles does it make you do
wet wraith
no, its really good. the "puzzles" are basically go stand here, or jump 3 times
warm crag
the location tasks always spawn in the same position to your front right
its effectively just a gimmicky 90s 14k mainstat trinket
torn sentinel
imo its trash cause who wants to deal with that stuff.
dont think the dps it gives compared to other trinkets is worth that tradeoff, unless you like this minmax
oblique trail
It definitely is worth the trade off
15k main stat is a LOT during your CDs
Especially for burst AoE, which you do very frequently in the raid and in M+
quiet geyser
Garms be looking for blood in wcl channel
Funny how at this point they just completely ignore you
young swan
yeah transmitter is fucking cracked on any burst aoe fight
the difference between that and skarm/mark is massive
tidal kindle
Funny how at this point they just completely ignore you
Least I can do is point out the shitty logic
For people who may come in genuinely asking
quiet geyser
"They die to passive cleave". 1000s of more wipes the following week cuz every1 spec'ed ST.
edgy widget
biased change is biased 
quiet geyser
is it the rashanan thing again
Ya. Just waiting for the queen change though
sudden tusk
what queen change
slim grotto
Do we have to be on same server to do Mythic Raiding still?
quiet geyser
Them eventually removing "pad" dmg from queen logs
tidal kindle
Watch them remove webbing cuz "most guilds/the strat is to immune them anyway"
LMAO
Quote me in 2 months
summer quail
2 months? would not surprise me if it was sooner than that
sick jungle
im confused, I thought if I got my 636 wep my off hand is free
summer quail
im confused, I thought if I got my 636 wep my off hand is free
it is, just relog
tidal kindle
im confused, I thought if I got my 636 wep my off hand is free
Try relog
quiet geyser
2 months? would not surprise me if it was sooner than that
I mean until we get big nerf, few guilds will make it to queen any time soon haha
summer quail
true
meager void
ah gotchya ty
some say, log into another char and back into your main
summer quail
a shit ton of guilds are stuck on brood
sudden tusk
i got timed out for saying the R word in regards to how i feel about them removing "pad" from queen
edgy widget
even more will be stuck on princess
quiet geyser
i got timed out for saying the R word in regards to how i feel about them removi...
They haven't yet
sudden tusk
one thing i find odd is these fights become expoentially harder if anyone dies which is something the game hasn't done before
quiet geyser
Its just an assumption
sudden tusk
Princess and queen if a death occers its nuclear
well maybe not something i've progged, but it feels more like a ff14 body check
sick jungle
i got timed out for saying the R word in regards to how i feel about them removi...
just say it's regarded
clever frost
Cant get reck back in time for adds on BloodTwister ree always 12 sec left. Might need more polish or better gear.
warm crag
Cant get reck back in time for adds on BloodTwister ree always 12 sec left. Migh...
unlikely you get it back for first set
dw abt it
or if you have enough fdks you can go RA
clever frost
1 dk
eager thorn
Yes
narrow narwhal
Furywarsucksucks
spare oriole
So just coming back and I’ve played a bit so far, is it a meme to play fury?
narrow narwhal
No
dusty bluff
Play dk
quartz tulip
yes
go dk
or anything else
ret
paladin
ultra sleeper
does way more damge every pack
30 sec wings
dusty bluff
What about single Target?
spare oriole
I’ve noticed getting shit on by a ret pal
dusty bluff
Ret versus augmentation what’s better?
buoyant salmon
So just coming back and I’ve played a bit so far, is it a meme to play fury?
no
fury is good right now
buoyant salmon
shut up man youre just bad at fury
hushed ocean
fury is fine, it's just every other class need a nerf
spare oriole
lol
dusty bluff
fury is fine, it's just every other class need a nerf
😂
eager thorn
Fury is still p great
spare oriole
Internally crying at the bottom of meters
eager thorn
Sounds like skill issue
quartz tulip
go loook at logs
eager thorn
I top meters
buoyant salmon
ret is great but fury is slightly behind lol
spare oriole
Sounds like skill issue
Probs. I haven’t played since shadow.
I’ve been rolling the m+ balance talent build. Guess I’ll try out Single
buoyant salmon
keep the build
im just saying their st in their m+ build is better than rets st in their m+ build
pallid bear
Hey guys, I wanted to ask if, for the Fury set bonus, should i always try to wait for 2 stacks before using Bloodthirst, or if it should be used right away when there's just one stack ty for your answers
eager thorn
^
lapis shadow
Hey guys, I wanted to ask if, for the Fury set bonus, should i always try to wa...
^^
pallid bear
play as you would without it
oh ok ty
sudden tusk
what set bonus lmao
cold silo
I have been enjoying Fury, did the nerfs come out yet?
eager thorn
I have been enjoying Fury, did the nerfs come out yet?
The tr and of nerfs arent out till 11.0.5 or w.e
Everything else live afaik
fast mural
any tips on how not to get meleed to death by spiders on orvinax ?
buoyant salmon
agregate data based on dps numbers is bad
buoyant salmon
any tips on how not to get meleed to death by spiders on orvinax ?
heroic or mythic
fast mural
mythic
buoyant salmon
double blood dk?
fast mural
yes
spare oriole
Ya I see this and see why I hardly get picked into M+ even with good mech skills. lol
buoyant salmon
youll catch a melee every once and a while
fast mural
appearently that doesnt work one of them said
buoyant salmon
but it shouldnt be repeadted
warm crag
agregate data based on dps numbers is bad
augs should timelessness you
if theres not a single aug ur guild is probs trolling
buoyant salmon
no augmento
fast mural
yeah we dont have aug
warm crag
no dragons or no aug?
fast mural
pres evoker
buoyant salmon
one of our augs is not in that boss and the other is pres
warm crag
gg
plucky ice
2 ewoks no aug lmao, our roster
hazy spruce
Bruh I can’t with these people
No wonder they won’t buff anything… As soon as you open your mouth about some thing with undeniable data people losing their damn minds.
copper patio
just increase bloodthirst dmg by 15%, crushing blow 5%, and rampage 10% then log off for the day and go to the pub - pretend the numbers made sense
bitter fable
oh dear
buoyant salmon
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/state-of-fury-warrior/1972850/17
i mean
fury warrior is great right now
great in the raid great in m)
m+
they do shit st dps which only matters for 2 bosses, only 1 of them being a real boss
theres a few specs that are better than fury, and i dont think fury should ge tthe planned changes for .5 without any compensation
opaque cypress
yeah obviously current state is fine
buoyant salmon
but saying fury is bad/not strong is just wrong
opaque cypress
but idk about next nerf
warm crag
how
buoyant salmon
thats impressive
copper patio
because we have no sustained aoe - but we don't lose much st in our m+ build ?
ionic bone
exactly
warm crag
but idk about next nerf
ya thats cooked i recommend learning arms
copper patio
but when against st builds we get gapped
ionic bone
i blow all my cds in one pack
then got nothing on second pack
and most of the times the second pack has way more mobs than the first one
buoyant salmon
odyns fury and bladestorm are 45 seconds effectively
ionic bone
making my overall cringe
warm crag
ya u should have something up for every pack unless ur playing like +3s where you kill 2 packs in 30 seconds
buoyant salmon
mid level keys (what most ppl are doing) can show fury being kinda mid bc packs live in a very awkward way
warm crag
and you should only really be beaten by skilled fdks or rets which should be insanely rare
buoyant salmon
a little too short but a little too long
warm crag
you should do crazier aoe every 2nd pack
ionic bone
i think my aoe is dog cause of trinkets
copper patio
outlaw st isn't bad but its completely awful on stuff like 1st boss mists
buoyant salmon
ur trinkets are cooked lmfao
warm crag
oly moly u are cooked
copper patio
aug + outlaw doesn't work either
warm crag
you are the first guy to come into here and complain about lack of damage for a valid reason
no boot enchant either go buy plainstriders r2 for like 1k gold
gain that speed king
chrome relic
?
hazy spruce
Our single target is behind augmentation evoker and no one is complaining about it. And I’m about to lose sleep over it.
restive peak
The thing is that the complaint thread you posted reads as current; currently, we are giga strong, outside direct ST (1 relevant fight). I’d also like more ST, but the more concerning thing is the upcoming cap
chrome relic
🤔
buoyant salmon
yeah ppl talk about the CURRENT state of fury as if its bad
restive peak
Well because our pure ST is, but our ST in AOE spec is upper tier, so it’s a design issue
lament hinge
hazy spruce
The thing is that the complaint thread you posted reads as current; currently, w...
Our single target in AOE spec is still dead last.
restive peak
If they make our ST a lot better, they have to nerf meat cleaver
buoyant salmon
against full st builds yeah
copper patio
there was 2 of warriors on the majority of rwtf - it has its niche.. just less important for non hall of fame guilds
restive peak
Yeah, no it isn’t
hard widget
OMG ITS JOEVER REROLL QUICK!
hazy spruce
Do me a favor… Look at any of the longs that the OP posted dot if you look at damage to bosses, we don’t come close on any fight ever.
buoyant salmon
Our single target in AOE spec is still dead last.
but against ppl in aoe builds thats just wrong
chrome relic
lets be real none of you are in guilds where it matters so just play what you like man
buoyant salmon
yeah look at damage to bosses in the raid
fury is bad
what a stupid ass argument
warm crag
lets be real none of you are in guilds where it matters so just play what you li...
i wish man
restive peak
I don’t have to look at the logs, you’re looking at boss damage when we’re assigned to hold cooldowns for AOE phases
buoyant salmon
lets be real none of you are in guilds where it matters so just play what you li...
please let me play arms on broodtwister
restive peak
Where everyone else is specced pure ST and sending on CD
copper patio
you have to admit there is value in non-boss damage too
restive peak
There is serious nuance to this conversation that you, or the OP of that thread, are both missing
buoyant salmon
restive peak
So yes, an ST specced arcane mage will gap an ST specced fury, if we’re both in AOE spec, we will win the ST
idle oriole
Been farming low ara karas for trinket and tried MT a bit.
Left is +9 MT and right is +8 slayer done back2back.
Feel like MT might actually be closer to decent than people give it credit for at least in high density dungeons
warm crag
please let me play arms on broodtwister
genuinely valid with some comps
hazy spruce
Oh, I agree. But we do the worst single target in the game. And everyone out here saying oh we have the best aoe . We don’t. We’re lucky that the entire rate is designed around our cds. if the add didn’t die quickly, AOE would be below the middle of pack.
buoyant salmon
thane is good aoe it just loses so much st
buoyant salmon
genuinely valid with some comps
its pretty damn close to valid for us
but ive already played fury every pull so im not gonna even try to spec arms
bc ppl will freak out
swapped arms for sark and ppl lost it
had to go back fury
copper patio
assuming same dungeon heated
warm crag
swapped arms for sark and ppl lost it
try ripping some slurs
buoyant salmon
didnt think of that yet ty
warm crag
Oh, I agree. But we do the worst single target in the game. And everyone out her...
our st in aoe spec is not as bad as you are saying it is which is literally one of the reasons fury is played ye
other specs sacrifice infinitely more to gain as much aoe as we gain
hazy spruce
Oh, you change my mind. Fury is perfect then.
warm crag
get a grip
hazy spruce
I don’t know anything about how other specs sim . I only know about the data.
buoyant salmon
its shit data though
warm crag
you can validly critique fury design but this isnt one of them
hazy spruce
If you’re saying, it is the way it is. Then fury is in a perfect state
buoyant salmon
fury is not perfect, but its definitely a great class all around
it has some flaws
but its great
hazy spruce
It does the best AOE in the game… And it does the worst single target in the game. Is that what we can all agree on on here?
buoyant salmon
pure st only matters on 1 boss in the raid
hazy spruce
its shit data though
Warcraft logs is the only data we have to go off of. I don’t know of any other data out there that matters.
tired brook
the graph you’re referring to for “worst st in the game” is a overall damage compared to boss damage
not pure st btw
just thought you should know that
storm rune
wat
buoyant salmon
in furys aoe build compares to other classes st in their aoe build, furys st is great bc fury loses almost 0 damage to gain full aoe potential
while other classes lose a lot
hazy spruce
pure st only matters on 1 boss in the raid
I could have sworn sikran/rashanan(after log changes) and princess were all single target
buoyant salmon
rashanan on logs is st but that doesnt matter lol
storm rune
hes nottalking about logs
buoyant salmon
sikran isnt a real fight
hazy spruce
the graph you’re referring to for “worst st in the game” is a overall damage com...
Look at mythic sikran or mythic kyveza, worst in the game.
hazy spruce
sikran isnt a real fight
10-4.
buoyant salmon
again thats a flaw fury has, but its onl ypresent on 1 real boss in the raid
which is kyveza
fury does everything else great
hazy spruce
again thats a flaw fury has, but its onl ypresent on 1 real boss in the raid
I can’t take you seriously when you say that one of the bosses isnt a boss
warm crag
sikran is not a real boss
copper patio
and really, playing arms on kyveza is not the end of the world
warm crag
if you claim it is then no one will take you seriously
buoyant salmon
its a boss sure but its not real in the sense that its super easy
hazy spruce
Warcraft logs must have it wrong. So do all the guilds out there. It must not drop real loot either.
buoyant salmon
first 4 in this raid arent 'real' bc they fall over
warm crag
wclogs is removing adds from rashanan its no longer a viable source of stats lol
hazy spruce
Hopefully the next raid doesn’t have many single target fights… Hopefully they have ads that spawn with low HP every 45 seconds.
copper patio
because the adds dmg doesn't need assigning and it falls over from incidental cleave/funnel
warm crag
maybe just learn arms
buoyant salmon
Hopefully the next raid doesn’t have many single target fights… Hopefully they h...
fury has been good st the past few patches
copper patio
removing those adds from rashanan was a good thing
warm crag
removing those adds from rashanan was a good thing
how
hazy spruce
I have been already, arms is good. A bit clunky. But it cranks.
hazy spruce
removing those adds from rashanan was a good thing
Because now you get to spec single target and get beat by augmentation evo
warm crag
how is removing adds from rashanan on logs a good decision over simply allstar disabling the fight
buoyant salmon
i dont get the arms is clunky motion ppl have
warm crag
it is factual that the adds need to die and not a single guild has killed it in full ST spec efficiently cleaving them down
copper patio
because they are irrelevant and having a 'good parse' be if your fdk/fury is there is lame - they do nothing to the tank. they have such little hp
warm crag
i dont get the arms is clunky motion ppl have
nah i agree with this, the CD cadence of it is weird
warm crag
because they are irrelevant and having a 'good parse' be if your fdk/fury is the...
they are not irrelevant
hazy spruce
i dont get the arms is clunky motion ppl have
The single target rotation has like six buttons in it. Free warrior has three. Double the buttons means clunky.
warm crag
the adds literally need to die or someone dies
buoyant salmon
The single target rotation has like six buttons in it. Free warrior has three. D...
that is an insane way to put it
hazy spruce
The more buttons you need to press to do a good rotation means it’s clunky. There’s no other way to put it bro.
A dog could play fury warrior.
buoyant salmon
The more buttons you need to press to do a good rotation means it’s clunky. Ther...
i just dont agree but ig we have different definitions
warm crag
removing adds will just bait low tier guilds' fury warriors into playing ST talents so they never kill the boss#
hazy spruce
What’s your definition of clunky?
hazy spruce
removing adds will just bait low tier guilds' fury warriors into playing ST tale...
Everyone is after the parse.
buoyant salmon
idk how to explain it
copper patio
i agree its clunky to reward not doing add dmg - but its an already easy fight and i find those adds very incidental - even if you leave them to stack the dot on a tank
buoyant salmon
just awkard
the cds are a little awkward but i wouldnt consider arms as a class clunky bc the cds are a bit weird
warm crag
i agree its clunky to reward not doing add dmg - but its an already easy fight a...
it is not easy for 90% of guilds
copper patio
especially with a bdk on the boss at the time who can easily take 2 savage strikes
warm crag
removing adds from logs will make it worse for those guilds
@buoyant salmon if you dont want a weird definition of clunkiness on current arms its specifically the way cds come back i dont like
sks and bladestorm just return at such weird times
copper patio
if chasing a parse - its more fun for that not be so extremely reliant on if the fury warrior is there or not for everyone else
warm crag
if chasing a parse - its more fun for that not be so extremely reliant on if the...
no one cares about parsing in this conversation
copper patio
what other reason do we care about wlogs
buoyant salmon
hmm yeah that makes sense
warm crag
the removal of adds will change the way top logs are generated which will change how low end guilds plan their talent setups to kill the boss
it is inarguable that a lot of low end players will simply look at wclogs front page parses - which historically was a very solid tool to figure out builds for specific fights - and roll up to rashanan with fucking spear
copper patio
i don't think its wlogs responsibility to handhold to that extent - but i do understand the argument
warm crag
i mean its historically doing just that
allstar disabling fights with degenerate strats to improve damage to "warn" of those
removing add spawns that arrive out of "failure" conditions or removing add damage against targets that never die or never had to die etc
copper patio
yeah the webbing i know you wouldn't argue about - just the adds
warm crag
they've nurtured a specific "parsing culture" and they very deliberately destroyed it with this one change
warm crag
hmm yeah that makes sense
also i cant spend my rage in execute
idk i never went below 50 rage in the two hc bosses i killed last week
buoyant salmon
might be over overpowering
warm crag
and i probably wasnt trolling since it was very high parses
meager void
you mean to tell me that someone that just joined Skyhold is dooming about fury without understanding (or caring to understand) the nuance we constantly chat about here.
cant be real
copper patio
would you rather it was removed from allstars
buoyant salmon
yes
hazy spruce
If you’re expecting to join a cutting edge guild, if you’re aoe spec for rasha nan or holding your of/bs waiting for adds, your parse will be terrible. You won’t get in…
buoyant salmon
any smart guild will ignore that boss lol
copper patio
if the CE guild is full of idiots lol
would be like rejecting someone because they were chucking orbs off for the entire raid at ner'zhul
ionic bone
hmm, so Mark of Khardos sims 0.3% better than Shard from SV in aoe
i had the impression that shard was better
buoyant salmon
cant sim targets dying
hazy spruce
I don’t know if you know how spriest was played back in the day, or how sire denathrius fight went p1 in slands, got denied becuase i had 60 parses from being st spec. If I would have been aoe, would have had a decent parse. Just remember not getting into a pretty good guild because they were concerned about that parse.
copper patio
if you spoke to them - and they couldn't understand that - you did not want to be in that guild
spiral orbit
Why would you want to join a guild that values unethical damage?
hazy spruce
They were the best, I wanted the loot.
vague copper
I tend to use a raging blow after CB > BB, where is the big loss in that as I dont see that in other (bigger warriors :)) loggs?
warm crag
I tend to use a raging blow after CB > BB, where is the big loss in that as I do...
go into casts timelines instead this is unreadable
idk u can throw rbs in there after using both cb and bb if it wont overcap u itll help manage rage income
buoyant salmon
read dn
vague copper
Need to find what the hell im doing wrong, as I sit around 800-1 mil overall @615
unreal shell
How far off your SIM is that?
vague copper
How do I check overall sim, d-slice is poo aint it?
warm crag
is that 800k-1mil in m+?
vague copper
yeah
warm crag
if you're timing keys then its fine
warm crag
more dps comes from better cd management and knowing how your tank plays
unreal shell
Just do patchwork 5mins and then go hit a dummy for 5mins
And then see how far off you are
warm crag
idk maybe 800k isnt too good for 9s i think i was getting 1mil+ every time at that ilvl
i can recommend watching some gamers and seeing how they press their cds and individual buttons
unreal shell
Depends as well how big his tank is pulling
warm crag
noxiv and crit both stream idk if crit is streaming fury m+ rn though
they should have public vods
vague copper
Yeah I know
unreal shell
And @hard widget has some recent ones
vague copper
Was looking on Noxiv 20 min ago
still obsidian
sup guys, when we get 4p do we try to stack up the buff before using BT?
vague copper
wa comparing his timeline with mine aswell
still obsidian
or just send BT on cd like usual
warm crag
tier doesnt affect our playstyle at all
unreal shell
Tier is pretty lame so just ignore it and Zug as normal
still obsidian
zug intensifies
still obsidian
2% ?! we havent seen numbers like that since ... since .... a really long time ago!
hard widget
And <@637785960108654602> has some recent ones
Wut?>
unreal shell
I just remember seeing a 12 mists earlier
hard widget
Yeah thats true
unreal shell
And know you push buttons in the right order
So might be a good one for him to watch haha
hard widget
And know you push buttons in the right order
Do i though? 😂
unreal shell
Right enough
radiant prawn
should i be hitting execute off cd? trying to maximize dps but feel like im not pressing buttons properly
narrow narwhal
Read the wowhead guide
sand crest
yo ?? zekvir is ez af
rotund ginkgo
i popped cds because exile was on a mage on last boss
and he invised it and it ...
KEKW
storm birch
Rash parse is full single target now right ?
sudden tusk
tbh i have no idea what they did with the log
my parse went from a 80 somethin
to a 8
back to 80 something
pale lava
I tend to use a raging blow after CB > BB, where is the big loss in that as I do...
you can press RB while enraged up to 100-110 rage
to minimize the amount of fillers like WW that you end up pressing
pale lava
Need to find what the hell im doing wrong, as I sit around 800-1 mil overall @...
post your damage breakdown
some mistakes can easily be spotted there
like CB not being #1
fickle obsidian
did they fix the offhand discount? Thought it was intentional
warm crag
did they fix the offhand discount? Thought it was intentional
did you just craft a weapon?
fickle obsidian
yes
warm crag
full close the game
warm crag
weird bug you'll be able to upgrade after
fickle obsidian
sweet
restive peak
It does the best AOE in the game… And it does the worst single target in the gam...
Sorry I had a client and left after my last posting; but no, fury does not have the worst ST in pure ST, it has the worst ST across the current raid overall due to the fact that we run AOE talents due to us losing the least when doing so, and also frequently holding our CDs for the AOE phases (less boss damage across the fight and during our dmg cds compounds into massive boss damage loss), we do have weak ST in pure ST still compared to the top ST specs, but specs have identities for a reason
fickle obsidian
ty
warm crag
@clever belfry king for discovering this
restive peak
Max actually had a pretty good 5/7m segment where he showed their queen kill logs and explained this, because when he pulled up boss damage the fury memes started
And he explained “well I don’t let them send their CDs when they’re up, they’re forced to hold them and put them entirely into certain phases and so it looks even worse than it is”
Having said that, we need an ST buff if this 5 cap goes through
restive peak
But current raid, we are extremely strong, and I saw your portion saying arms is clunkier or harder than fury and that’s simply not accurate
restive peak
Arms is extremely giga faceroll in ST
warm crag
u didnt even discover this i just asked u if u closed ur game since 6 am that day
i think this is so omega king that your kingdom grew by 2cm that day
dense elbow
Hey, it is his personal opinion on what is clunky or not 
restive peak
Arms clunkiness presents itself once aoe begins, and then it feels like dogwater, but direct arms ST is literally 2 buttons
If you struggle to play the spec, that’s personal, but the specs overall straight forward ness for pure ST is one of the simplest in an already fairly simple rotation game
I heard for weeks how intense arcane was, been gearing my mage…it’s a meme, it’s literally no harder than fury
People just like to pretend their class nuances are so challenging and big brain, wow is designed to be very simple rotationally
low folio
so the algari gems, the crit chance one isnt that much extra crit right? i could go wit hthe move speed one and not notice much of a difference in keys?
restive peak
Yeah a lot of us swapped to speed pride
Uptime likely matters more than the negligible crit dmg
warm crag
so the algari gems, the crit chance one isnt that much extra crit right? i could...
its not crit chance its crit effect
low folio
i hadnt yet used any gems because i hadnt gotten the good loots to drop
warm crag
idk sim whether the dps inc is significant for u
low folio
i mean if linc swapped to move speed, the dps difference mustve been small
warm crag
Uptime likely matters more than the negligible crit dmg
u get like 10% speed from enchants and talents how much more do you need
weary sail
i wonder why lol
clever belfry
u didnt even discover this i just asked u if u closed ur game since 6 am that da...
i did RELOG
but didnt log out of the client
and that apparently forces a different kind of DB update
warm crag
i did RELOG
how did u even dc tho
warm crag
and why dont u instantly alt f4 when u dc
i am NOT typing my password and shit into those boxes
restive peak
u get like 10% speed from enchants and talents how much more do you need
Gotta go fast bae
clever belfry
on ovinax
warm crag
u are cooked if u need more than that
restive peak
And crit runs speed too I’m pretty sure, we like speed
clever belfry
(80k hps for one talent point)
warm crag
are not playing chrono ward
you must translate into fury terms
low folio
how do i find the regular gems
clever belfry
(i wish for them to have it to get a 2m absorb shield every 90s)
warm crag
And crit runs speed too I’m pretty sure, we like speed
crit plays fdk so idc + he should be removed from yellow and given red instead
weary sail
crit is a traitor!
storm rune
And crit runs speed too I’m pretty sure, we like speed
Speed means I can run back to the boss faster, speed is a secondary disguised as a tertiary for melee
warm crag
(i wish for them to have it to get a 2m absorb shield every 90s)
i think this would be incredibly reasonable and i hope you have recorded a 2 minute voice message about them being idiots and noobs and at least 20 seconds of the voice message should be just you screaming
warm crag
Speed means I can run back to the boss faster, speed is a secondary disguised as...
you have charge noob
storm rune
you trust charge?
warm crag
yeah believe it or not it behaves incredibly consistently
tired brook
other than final boss in boralus
warm crag
if you disregard one-off charge failures charge is actually an incredibly well implemented mobility tool
dense elbow
I heard for weeks how intense arcane was, been gearing my mage…it’s a meme, it’s...
Not harder, for you, being key.
Haven't tried arcane, so take your word at face value. But don't fall in the trap of "it is just as easy for me", doesnt mean it is for the avg person.
I think prot warr to BDK is super easy to adjust to, a lot of people apparently dont.
Half the discussion on the forum is based on where you set the bar at. As it is individual to when you start fumbling over it, it's quite the hole to fall into
tired brook
it will charge you straight into water if u use on the big tentacle
other than that charge is goated
warm crag
i mean even then charge behaviour is still consistent
if you could walk it you will charge it
and you have enough time to get out of the water usually
clever belfry
i think this would be incredibly reasonable and i hope you have recorded a 2 min...
i just typed out a passive aggresive message in guild disc instead
warm crag
i just typed out a passive aggresive message in guild disc instead
reasonable
@clever belfry
they just removed ovinax from the game
warm crag
2 extra secs to blow up eggs
wait they didnt nerf the swirly damage or
i dont remember the name
hard widget
Watch like 200 guilds kill it wednesday
dense elbow
That would be a good thing
final birch
dense elbow
We king on any fight atm?
calm quartz
I cant
dense elbow
There are no adds in Nerub-ar Palace
warm crag
We king on any fight atm?
i didnt watch ansurek prog but i think we should be kings there too
fading bane
apolgy for bad english
where were u wen broodtwister ovi'nax die
i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
"Club penguin is kil"
"no"
dense elbow
At least we kings on the fight that matters
fading bane
Queen aswell ofc
warm crag
i hope they nerf fury this hard next
calm quartz
Its already at 28%!!!
dense elbow
Same, we are too powerful
calm quartz
Whats another 30%
hazy spruce
Sorry I had a client and left after my last posting; but no, fury does not have ...
Go to sikran and look at dmg done. It’s single target. Pure single target. It’s the worse in the game.
dense elbow
So is nexus princess tho?
hazy spruce
So is nexus princess tho?
Yeh, same same
dense elbow
we are what, 10k behind midpack?
restive peak
Not harder, for you, being key.
Haven't tried arcane, so take your word at face ...
No I mean as in the amount of buttons and cadence is all comparable, of course people connect with different things, the point is none of the specs are overly complicated and that’s on purpose
hazy spruce
we are what, 10k behind midpack?
In sikran we are dead last
storm rune
also speak of the devil
hazy spruce
We are above the weaker casters on Kyveza because they have to stop casting and have to move.
We have good uptime
drowsy iron
No I mean as in the amount of buttons and cadence is all comparable, of course p...
I do agree that arcane isn't hard
But there are more ways that your windows can get fucked
restive peak
Go to sikran and look at dmg done. It’s single target. Pure single target. It’s ...
What’s the gap at 99th percentile? Not the spot on the chart, I mean the actual numerical difference from say…12 to 7 as a base example
hazy spruce
Gap from what?
restive peak
Because it’s pretty similar to racial differences on the charts
Looks “big”, is actually within like 1% numerically
Which is less than RNG
drowsy iron
Yeah the graph is a bit misleading
dense elbow
Other words: 10k is not really big gap, when we talking million dps
drowsy iron
Most single target is good in this tier
restive peak
I do agree that arcane isn't hard
But there are more ways that your windows can...
No different than fucking up your enrage uptime and missing cbs by overspending ramp
hazy spruce
Fury warrior is at 900k, at last place, BM is at 1.1 mil at number one
drowsy iron
It is different yes
Bc you need to channel evo and stand to cast blast
restive peak
You understand the importance of that because you play fury, so to you it’s very simple, for arcane players their windows are very simple and ours sounds alien
dense elbow
drowsy iron
Personally fury is the easiest to me
dense elbow
That aint 900k
drowsy iron
By far
restive peak
Where did you invent 900 from
warm crag
buff warlock what the fuck!!!!!!
restive peak
Seriously
fading bane
https://clips.twitch.tv/BoredEphemeralSageTBCheesePull-QG8wB6tB964c5ZEB
yo thats me lmao
dense elbow
Probably just misinformed, it happens
restive peak
Aff to fury is literally within the margin of RNG
hazy spruce
Bruh
warm crag
ok max percentile is Cooked
hazy spruce
He has it set to max
dense elbow
Max potential baby
hazy spruce
No one in this entire entire discord is at max.
restive peak
And max is garbage, set to 99th, or at least 95th
hazy spruce
No, that’s idiotic
warm crag
No one in this entire entire discord is at max.
speak for yourself
restive peak
Playing specs wrong and expecting top performance is useless
dense elbow
I think this discussion is pointless :P
restive peak
The game isn’t balanced around improper play, nor can it be
hazy spruce
If you are, it’s a misnomer
restive peak
Of course it is, because it’s just the desire to doom
hazy spruce
My desire is to point out something that’s weak. And it’s getting Nerf again.
The first step of change to complain.
restive peak
So your refusal to improve means fury should be stronger so that top fury’s smash people and mid fury can feel good
warm crag
st very specifically is not getting nerfed
dense elbow
^
restive peak
But pretending we’re in the gutter is ridiculous
dense elbow
Now, if you want to argue OF shouldnt be nerfed. I am 100% on your side
I would argue it should be buffed
hazy spruce
What do you think I’m arguing. I’m arguing that we don’t have good AOE. Only if the mobs die quickly.
And we have dead, Lassing target
Dead last st
hazy spruce
The spawners of the ads and the rate is specifically designed around our cool downs.
dense elbow
We cant be kings of sustained AoE and have great AoE burst either
hazy spruce
In m+ our AoE is fine, as we also bring decent ST to boot
When you say decent, you do know it’s literally dead last
hazy spruce
Idk, I would need to look deeper into that
dense elbow
Aight, do that
hazy spruce
What’s with the shade?
dense elbow
think it will help you smile
hazy spruce
I didn’t come in here and throw shade at anybody. I’m simply having a discussion. I don’t appreciate any ad homonyms.
dense elbow
Fair, I can respect that
hazy spruce
No, you can’t. We’re having a discussion in your first impulse is to make fun of me.
dense elbow
I am not - I am asking you to read what I write
forest owl
whatever happened to warriors just wanting to bonk stuff with sticks 
dense elbow
before replying
hazy spruce
Your argument has no data to support what you’re saying. And your first impulse is to tell me that I can’t read.
dense elbow
What argument hasnt?
restive peak
We are the top ST in M+ spec by the way
hazy spruce
No, you didn’t. You said you can’t read. That’s not right bro.
dense elbow
Bro, just check the data, or trust Lincc
hazy spruce
Share data.
I have data to back up everything I’m saying. If we have that good single target and that good AOE mythic plus we would be clearing the highest keys… But we aren’t.
Sorry for the broken text. I’m using voice to text to avoid typing all this shit.
restive peak
We aren’t? I have like 5 top 10-15 keys in NA/world as fury
hazy spruce
But you get the idea
warm crag
if you wanna sim smth rn, go compare how much ST damage you lose from going full ST to full aoe as fury
restive peak
And in every timed key on bosses I Giga crank out outlaw rogue on pure ST
warm crag
it should be ~5%? less? iirc
dense elbow
A bit more with the OF nerf, no?
warm crag
and then compare this with how much other specs lose by doing a similar adjustment that they do for m+
dense elbow
like 5.5?
hazy spruce
it should be ~5%? less? iirc
Yeah, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a good thing. Because our single target is the worst in the game.
restive peak
And no, our outlaw is not bad, in fact she was the #1 outlaw for quite awhile
And I’m not that great
Our St is weaker BECAUSE of how strong it is in AOE, how many times do I have to say this?
This is furys design, it has been our design for ages
warm crag
Yeah, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a good thing. Because our single targ...
losing 5% of "the worst st in the game" (still only lower third on simc) is not a lot in comparison to however much ST other specs lose when they drop their ST talents for aoe
restive peak
I agree our pure ST is not great, but we need a rework and identity change for it to change
And most classes lose 15-25% of ST going APE
We lose 5
dense elbow
I dont think we need for it to change, there are plenty of fight for fury to shine
restive peak
We are not 20% behind the others on pure ST
modest condor
im 20% behind linc on st
warm crag
real
lavish beacon
im 20% behind linc on st
restive peak
im 20% behind linc on st
But 50% ahead of me on being beautiful
dense elbow
If silm is behind lincc 20%, and I am 20% behind Silm...
oh no
restive peak
If silm is behind lincc 20%, and I am 20% behind Silm... <:critcake:984549832511...
No one had the heart to tell you bro…
dense elbow
its ok, OF still go burr
for now
I always wondered why ppl doom about our ST tho, and not the fact our AoE burst is being undermined
One of those things I just dont get
modest condor
But 50% ahead of me on being beautiful
mild kraken
Can you line of sight the ball casted from the boss in dawnbreaker 2nd boss
upbeat plume
I always wondered why ppl doom about our ST tho, and not the fact our AoE burst ...
the aoe nerf is a new thing, weve always doomed about ST, old habits die hard and all that lol
dense elbow
This be fair I guess
pliant jackal
I always wondered why ppl doom about our ST tho, and not the fact our AoE burst ...
people want our ST to be compensated for our burst aoe being nerfed
hazy spruce
Single target is the worst. And aoe isn’t the best. If the next raid there is more than 2 single target fights, we’re doomed. As you like to say.
restive peak
We hear that every tier
summer quail
6k away from 99 on sikran first kill... maaaan
restive peak
And every tier warrior is extremely present
dense elbow
Doubt that, I usually still do fine in raids - no matter what happens.
Somehow I get close to the top if not top of the charts, with my sad little warrior
restive peak
I do agree we should get some ST given in exchange for the AOE nerf, but that’s purely an M+ issue
dense elbow
I say we should get the nerf reverted, and AoE burst buffed
restive peak
The best option is for them to stop designing us into a niche and then deciding to nerf the niche
summer quail
@hard widget eyo 14 dps difference
dense elbow
Jeve got better HPS
hazy spruce
Gg all good convo.
dense elbow
Gg bro wp
velvet loom
simming with dungeons slice is still good for M+ right?
dense elbow
I will say yes, just so someone will quickly correct me if it is wrong.
I use 1t sims and 5t sims, then use those points to decide what I would go for
(I personally value ST a bit more)
velvet loom
sorry what does 1,5,8t mean
dense elbow
number of targets
wanton coral
Are those new fury nerfs going live this reset?
velvet loom
sorry it just confused me cause ST was right after
summer quail
Are those new fury nerfs going live this reset?
no, sometime in october