fury

[vocal siren]

should i use BS seperately?

[runic cypress]

Hearthstone out

[sudden tusk]

dont save anything unless the pack is almost dead

[tulip swallow]

when it really didn't need it

[vocal siren]

aright

so we just blow it all

[crisp prism]

what i do is full blow then in 45 secs i'll get of roar bs as 2nd set

usually returns 2nd pack

[vocal siren]

then limp until its back up

[crisp prism]

but without reck it feels weak atm

every 3rd pack i go all out again

[runic cypress]

Blow your load like a big boy and then "recuperate" before doing it again

[tulip swallow]

It feels pretty close to tank dam outside of cooldowns, yeah

[unreal shell]

Just set your DPS meters to overall

[vocal siren]

also

[unreal shell]

And then you can come in cosy 3rd place

[vocal siren]

are y'all mandating a bit after reck/ava

[edgy widget]

in ST talents
Reck + Ava + Charge -> Ramp -> Spear -> BS -> CB -> Ramp -> normal ST
in multitarget talents
Reck + Ava -> TR -> BS -> CB -> Ramp -> OF -> CB -> Ramp/BB (depending on rage)
for burst aoe
Reck + Ava -> TR -> BS -> OF -> cleave ST

[vocal siren]

if ur using it

[tidal kindle]

Open w/ mandate

[edgy widget]

generally you'll use an on-use stat trinket like Mark/Skarshard/Transmitter, in which case Mandate can just be used once it comes off the shared CD

[sullen dove]

[tidal kindle]

Or that

If you have 2x on use

[sullen dove]

mandate and die instantly

[heavy dock]

whats TR?

[sullen dove]

[edgy widget]

if Mandate is your only on-use then you can just use it whenever it doesn't interfere with your burst

[tulip swallow]

mandate prepull

[vocal siren]

yeah

[sudden tusk]

Mandate into Reck roar avatar into shadowmeld

[pearl sequoia]

open with slam

[sudden tusk]

strong opner

[vocal siren]

i got sac brood and mandate atm

[ripe gull]

It's kinda odd to see ret performing great with that utility to m+. Bring back conquerors banner as warrior tree talent

[edgy widget]

delaying Mandate is fine btw, because it does benefit from Overwhelm/Wrecked, meaning if you use it after Bladestorm, it'll do 5%+ more damage than using it on the pull

[vocal siren]

yeah i tend to do initial burst and fit in mandate

during it

[heavy dock]

imagine having good trinkets

[calm ermine]

We dont need to use 1 gem of each color anymore? I see alot of players just using mastery+haste... The ones my simc says...

[heavy dock]

couldnt be me

[vocal siren]

i did one ara kara M+

[crisp prism]

tbf i might be wrong i'm just a pleb doing 10s 11s atm critcake prob can answer this question better

[vocal siren]

first one ever

got sac

[vocal siren]

bud, i haven't even done a 7 yet, im pugging everything

feelsbadman

[crisp prism]

but feels like what i currently doing is giving me best overall

[edgy widget]

the crit gem is very minor but it is an increase; the runspeed gem is also arguably as good/better

[heavy dock]

i think ur at the top end lol

[edgy widget]

what is that

[heavy dock]

oops not to u

[crisp prism]

full blown 1 pack then 2nd pack 45s then 3rd pack full cd again

cycle

[heavy dock]

do u play with 45s roar?

[edgy widget]

that's fine, just depends on how fast things die and your pull cadence

[crisp prism]

yea for m+

feels like we either need some kinda sustain buff or anger management viable tho

for m+

[edgy widget]

generally you'll either do small pack -> small pack
or huge pack -> small pack

[vocal siren]

is roar 45s in archis M+ setup

[edgy widget]

not default, but its certainly an option

I don't even play the main M+ setup atm lol

[heavy dock]

why not change it then :D

[edgy widget]

this is my current M+ build

[vocal siren]

lol

upload that then ya dork

[edgy widget]

the point is that they all work

[crisp prism]

so instead of 45s you go for more primary

[heavy dock]

i mean that looks the same as the site one

[edgy widget]

you might tweak one or two small things, but it's not going to make a profound difference

[edgy widget]

it's not

[heavy dock]

not using brutal finish?

[crisp prism]

btw archi did you tried spear for m+ instead of roar

[heavy dock]

i thought culling cyclone was bad in m+

[slim coral]

Very Ethical build

[summer quail]

interesting, fresh meat and titanic rage?

[crisp prism]

especially maybe after the soft cap change feels like can be viable

[heavy dock]

u play titanic rage anyway i thought

[edgy widget]

Every build should be using Titanic Rage, but I use Fresh Meat for more consistent enrage, and I dropped 1 point from Overwhelming Rage for Honed Reflexes (mainly for more spell reflect, which is crucial on City of Threads last boss, but not strictly necessary everwhere else)

[crisp prism]

• more boss dam

[vocal siren]

huh

culling

interesting

[edgy widget]

Culling Cyclone and Brutal are very similar in terms of raw damage, but Culling is better single target which is something I value more in M+

[sudden tusk]

one of the issues of 45s roar is if you delay it at all

you end up desyncing it from your cds which can be worse

[crisp prism]

ah yeah if you delay it its really bad

[mossy fox]

culling sims higher on ST and almost equal on aoe for me so ive been taking culling for p much everything

[edgy widget]

Yeah, double Roar capstones is fine, but I value consistency in my damage

[heavy dock]

interesting

i heard likelast week culling was shit

guess not

[sudden tusk]

well on lare pull sizes it is

but with the design of mobs rn you dont pull large enough that it matters

[crisp prism]

imma try spear on someones +10 tomorrow to see if i get similar results as roar

[edgy widget]

not since the beta; I probably should give it another shot because the burst dam of Spear + Bladestorm is crazy good, but I just haven't bothered

The main issue with spear is actually hitting all targets with it

[sudden tusk]

spear will probably have higher burst with bladestorm

but its a bit more fucky to use

[heavy dock]

using spear tho

:/

[honest sundial]

What i have been doing is preusing reflect on 1st set and then u get it just before 2nd set on last boss city

[crisp prism]

do you think it will be worth after 5 target soft cap?

on roar

[tidal kindle]

AM = brutal

Easy

Imo

[crisp prism]

cuz if it gives similar aoe atm it should go ahead after the nerf

[edgy widget]

you gotta pre-cast it about 1s before the cast goes off, then it'll be up in time for the 2nd (and then there's a delayed reset before the third)

[vocal siren]

Anyone wanna carry me in a 7

[edgy widget]

Honed isn't actually necessary, you can just precast it about 2s early instead, but the timing is less forgiving - honed just makes it easier

and honestly the 2nd point in Overwhelming is worth like 0.3% damage, so who cares; if I wasn't spending that point on Honed, I'd put it into Fast Footwork instead

[honest sundial]

Yeah i use it at like 2.5s timer left according to my BW countdown and it's always up just before next one and repeat (without Honed Reflexes *)

[covert void]

most I see are going frenzied over powerful enrage, how close are they?

for m+

[tardy lark]

close in ST, powerful ahead in aoe

[modest condor]

we did it

[tidal kindle]

Frenzied only better if you're trying to get all your GCDs out on adds to pad

And they would otherwise die if you were using powerful

[runic glacier]

frenzied so much more fun tho

[tidal kindle]

Or if you're trying to hit AM timings on like brood or smth

[mossy fox]

nice

[modest condor]

thanks

i think that only took about 10 runs or so

[mossy fox]

ive been trying both in m+ recently and just cant tell the difference

standard RA slayer build every time

[covert void]

I feel like its purely down to what you enjoy the feel of more

[tidal kindle]

I noticed on heroic queen

Was the difference between getting my 2nd OF off or not

BLIZZARD IS NERFING ME IN .5

Mb guys

[mossy fox]

further nerfs are justified, just look at mythic queen

[modest condor]

OF?

[crisp prism]

nah look at mythic rashanan crit

i did 1.45m details damage

[modest condor]

rashanan is st boss

[crisp prism]

37 parse tho

[tidal kindle]

heroic queen

[crisp prism]

tell that to tanks dying to mobs if i cant get my 2nd bladestorm

[mossy fox]

wcl taking adds off rashanan was actually good for fury in wcl class statistics

makes fury look worse

[modest condor]

lmao

[edgy widget]

basically equal everywhere except burst AoE

[modest condor]

just wait until the broodtwister logs start showing up

[mossy fox]

we might get a bit of a bump there

[edgy widget]

then wait till Princess and Court logs start showing up

[tidal kindle]

Better nerf fury

[edgy widget]

Yeah that shit blows my fucking mind

Fury is good at the one thing it was explicitly designed for, and I even agree that it's a little too oppressive in raid so the nerf is "fine"

[covert void]

nerf fury

[edgy widget]

but FDK is insane everywhere and it just casually avoids all nerfs

[sudden tusk]

Frost needs to get blown up

[crisp prism]

imagine designing a raid around 45s and 1.5mins

[tidal kindle]

Pillar + Remorseless vs OF + Roar

[crisp prism]

and fury is op

what a surprise

[tidal kindle]

[sudden tusk]

if they dont blow up frost they better re buff fury

[mossy fox]

it's legit insane (u forgot reapers mark which is also 45s)

[edgy widget]

just give Fury a small ST buff and I'll be happy

like 3-5% via the tier set

[covert void]

literally punishing us for the one thing we're good at lul

[crisp prism]

5% and a lil tier buff tbh

i dont mind the aoe nerf then

[edgy widget]

both would probably be a bit much

[sullen dove]

gotta be insanely gratifying for liquid to kill boss 21 hrs ago and echo still havent gotten it

[crisp prism]

idk frost dk exists

[edgy widget]

that'd be like a 7-8% buff

frost needs to be nerfed either way

fury doesn't need to be best

it just needs to not be garbo

[crisp prism]

tbh did they nerfed warlocks in sepulcher

[sullen dove]

def huge feelsbad for echo that they still gotta go but just blast the "na start time advantage" yap completely outta the water

[crisp prism]

i have no faith on them since that tier

[covert void]

got in a group earlier with a guy I pugged heroic ansurek with and he literally said would've invited a mage otherwise

but wanted to group as we did that first kill together

[mossy fox]

liquid definitely outplayed echo this time

[crisp prism]

they were too clean since the start

[quiet geyser]

I'd like fury to have more consistent AoE dmg as well. Doing wet noodle dmg outside of CDs doesnt feel good. Fan of long swords so we dont have to do a poo GCD every 5? 🙂

[covert void]

Liquid looked calm and determined throughout.

[modest condor]

aug + pi

remember when they buffed fdk

"its st isnt that good"

[mossy fox]

it's called mountain thane

just need it to get buffed up

[crisp prism]

i still dont like the idea of taking clap tho prob cuz arms season 1 df flashbacks

[mossy fox]

thunder clap damage is very good, even when it's not a thunder blast

[lime plaza]

I actually got a pi in my 10 bolarus key today

Even tough the warlock demanded it

[quiet geyser]

Lets cook though, give us improved WW baseline, move meat cleaver up to improved WW's spot, and add in fan of long swords where meat cleaver sits now

[covert void]

must've missclicked

[lime plaza]

[tidal kindle]

Wait one sec

[modest condor]

so here's the thing

i like fan of longswords

but it basically just removes the one difference between st and aoe

and i dont think that's very productive for the design of the spec

give us wrecking ball instead

[sudden tusk]

I just want Meat cleaver to function like Blade flurry

more then 4 attacks please

[mossy fox]

wrecking ball sounds nice

[modest condor]

remember when it was 2

[fickle bluff]

remember when it was 1

[quiet geyser]

Another route to go is give fury's WW the annhilator build affect.. make it hit hard for an AoE, but give it a small cd.

[edgy widget]

if they ever rework or add new talents onto existing hero specs, I want Fan of Longswords for Slayer - it would fit the kit so well

[feral ivy]

or lust

[edgy widget]

Thane doesn't need it, overall tuning aside, TC/TBlast slaps so I don't mind pressing it regularly

[edgy widget]

that's basically Thane

[lime plaza]

I feel like the next patch will be a warrior buff

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/NSXR.gif

[lime plaza]

Now that queen is done

[edgy widget]

lol idk if you noticed but Fury was topping Queen... ain't no buff incoming

[crisp prism]

i hope they nerf ovinax cuz i dont see myself killing it near future

[quiet geyser]

Fan of long swords fits the slayer fantasy already. Doesnt slayer just wanna spin all day? Ok cool make them do it passively after rampaging xD

[mossy fox]

maybe next raid will have similarly designed add fights so fury will still look great despite being mediocre everywhere else

[tidal kindle]

Nah the nerf text makes it counterintuitive

[storm rune]

Did you see the aug logs? sheeeeesh

[crisp prism]

does that mean more aoe nerfs

[mossy fox]

sure why not

[tidal kindle]

I would love to be a fly on the wall throughout this whole design and tuning process

[crisp prism]

i cant wait to get tr and of to get another nerf

maybe 5 target hard cap this time

and 3 target soft cap ofc

[spare steppe]

wcl is going to remove those adds

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/im_in_unbearable_pain-gif-19322763

[spare steppe]

because too much padding

[sudden tusk]

me when i read patch notes

[tidal kindle]

TR dot splits like oF

I'm outtie

C u next class

If that happens

[mossy fox]

prot season

[crisp prism]

C u all in Legion priv servers if that happens

[mossy fox]

forcing alfa off vdh, he can dps

[lime plaza]

Prot seems so op rn.

Maybe its time to start tanking

[crisp prism]

tbf i wouldnt say op but they are solid

[lime plaza]

I mean in your opinion whats the best tank? Overall

[storm rune]

please remember to use SB

[crisp prism]

it feels really good to have a bear tank

[sudden tusk]

tbh prot warrior feels like a brick house tanking

outside of some magic rot you are so tanky

[edgy widget]

unironically, probably at some point

we had a big argument about it

[crisp prism]

wait what

lmao

[tidal kindle]

They said they will pick and choose

When and how

That was my biggest issue

[sour tundra]

How long are WoW seasons? Like 6 months?

[tidal kindle]

The lack of uniformity/consistency in the decision

[crisp prism]

wasnt the arguement usually is if they dont die fast enough they wipe you kinda thing

[lime plaza]

I feel like bear in the right hands is insane.

[quiet geyser]

Bruh if they remove queen adds off wcl, fury will be like 20% lower than the 2nd worse.

[crisp prism]

feels like even rashanan removal is kinda stupid

[spare steppe]

yeah and their arugment said that people will be taking the last boss of the raid seriously so no need to change it

[crisp prism]

cuz adds pump

[sudden tusk]

once most CE guilds reach that boss. and we have multiple of the 3% buff those adds after a hp nerf will just explode

and with how low our boss damage is might incentivise actually doing boss dam instead

[vocal siren]

hrm

for M+ would u use shard over mandate

[crisp prism]

i dont have neither of them so i cant comment

loot luck is a skill i lack

[tidal kindle]

That just makes our aoe even more oppressive there

[sudden tusk]

it dose

but i can see them doing it lmao

[tidal kindle]

Which will make clueless authorities even more likely to prune fury's prominence

[sudden tusk]

half the reason we had to eat the barrel of a shotgun was becuase of Heroic Health pools

[crisp prism]

dw guys they dont really know our abilities

they will nerf something and write a pvp talent

[tidal kindle]

I believe it at this point

[sudden tusk]

turn fury into outlaw

and make outlaw a real pirate

[crisp prism]

i cant wait to get charge damage nerfed

[mint abyss]

Which second piece of equipment do you craft other than the weapon?

[sudden tusk]

tbh 90% of the reason im a doomer is becuase Frost hasn't been touched

[crisp prism]

i got wrist

with double embelish thing

[mint abyss]

I see theres like 2. 1 of them I have to do Pvp or something for the mat??

I hate pvp

[crisp prism]

wdym

you dont need to touch pvp for your spark crafts

[sudden tusk]

pvp was a week 1-2 optimization thing

[mint abyss]

I think it was called Algari competitors plate armguards

[quiet geyser]

Did you not see the patch notes with war bringer?

[willow knoll]

what is the highest prio in aoe rotation?

bloodbath?

[spare steppe]

its solid until you don't need to spend hero crests

since 610 vs 619 isn't that different

[crisp prism]

You can just yolo mythic craft 636 too like me

probably better to craft with free ansurek hero crest tho

but i dont wanna spend more on recraft later

[mint abyss]

Thanks ill make this one

[split radish]

Anyone played with Transmitter trinket?

[nocturne relic]

Yes

[neat coral]

Best curios for brann, looking to try ?? and undying 11

[split radish]

it is BiS?

[nocturne relic]

It's really good it's just fucking annoying to use

Get a weak aura for it

[edgy widget]

numerically? yes
practically? eh...

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bFAyy.gif

[feral ivy]

im watching someone do heroic queen as a fury warrior and hes going ST .. am i missing something i see a lot of fury warriors (pugs) do st on AOE bosses

am i missing something?

[willow knoll]

what is the highest prio in aoe rotation?

[livid bloom]

Adds dont count on logs anymore, so if youre a gigaparser youll go ST and not AoE

[eager thorn]

did adds actually get removed from queen? thought it was just rashanan

[feral ivy]

on all bosses?

[livid bloom]

That I'm unsure of, all I know is holding onto that bladestorm for when the mini adds etc come up won't count towards your orange numbers

[eager thorn]

i mean unless they changed it, yes it does

[feral ivy]

mm cool to know ty

[summer quail]

you're thinking of rashanan. unless they literally changed ansurek today, i killed her yesterday

[verbal dragon]

re rolling race orc is too fat

what race

[livid bloom]

undead

[summer quail]

tauren

[spare steppe]

whats practical bis?

[feral ivy]

NE shadowmeld = op

also transmog looks good

[livid bloom]

Make sure you go Male NE

So when are we all rerolling to frost DK ?

[eager thorn]

never

[livid bloom]

Trick question, good answer

[feral ivy]

anyone have link to TWW shadowmeld doc? it shows what shadowmeld can be used on i forgot who writes it

[narrow narwhal]

Draenei

[restive fiber]

is Thunderous Roar still better than spear after the nerf ?

[tulip swallow]

There are like 3 different mastery on use stat sticks, pick one

[eager thorn]

Well youd want mark for st and shard for mt/m+ right

[vale reef]

hell yeah bop farm lets go

[eager thorn]

I guess not mt just stuff with adds

[tulip swallow]

whichever one you get at vault ilvl first, but the difference is extremely minor

[earnest pike]

So blizzard basically don't want us to play Fury at this point. First the nerfs, which I could get behind they were a little strong in AOE, but now with the target cap coming from 8 to 5 and the buffs to other classes. We are just going to suck.

Just tell me what class you would like me to play blizz because apparently it's not warrior.

[tulip swallow]

Deathbringer dk is also getting reworked in that update so maybe they get fucked too, but yeah fury is looking a little rough

[restive fiber]

maybe is is story thing warrior is just being normal like thrall without shaman power or anduin without light

[livid bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-copium-gif-4530870914968371816

[earnest pike]

Ret is crushing me in keys at the moment. Divine storm = win

[restive fiber]

I'm jealous of the other specs new animations and buffs

[buoyant salmon]

you shouldnt be getting crushed

should be pretty close

ret wins on aoe you win on bosses

so you catch up

[edgy widget]

mark/shard, and mandate in ST or sacbrood/knife in MT

[tidal kindle]

Lust boss dam on ansu

Better nerf fury

(They did not use their cds in lust on the boss)

[buoyant salmon]

fury is 3x worse than arcane

[tidal kindle]

(Because that is not fury's job)

[buoyant salmon]

in all content

[eager thorn]

I’ve been beating most rets lately but prob gear advantage/skill issue

[buoyant salmon]

gg..

[tulip swallow]

tank dam without cooldowns, checks out

[edgy widget]

Fury only there for add damage anyway; they were using 1 Arms/1 Fury for a large stretch of pulls and only swapped back to 2x Fury at the very end

by the time most mid-level guilds get there, I'm certain it's going to be either just one or even no Fury whatsoever, similar to Sarkareth

[tulip swallow]

By the time that happens they will buff colossus and arms will own

[sullen dove]

we did it guys!!!

surv needs a buff maybe

[heavy dock]

Did that hunter pay?

[sullen dove]

yea with his key

[hard widget]

Im kinda disgusted by the fact that u have Fotm in the details name while being a warrior, other than that… Gratz 😄

[sullen dove]

yea i changed it on sikran when i played arms but eh

i prefotm'd before it got nerfed

[covert blaze]

i read details as ''footish''

[hard widget]

Xd

[sullen dove]

wtf

[summer quail]

it is kinda true tho, fury is fotm this tier. or atleast it was

[hard widget]

Fotmb

Flavour of the month before

[spare steppe]

oh interesting didn't even think about Mandate in ST over sacbrood but that makes sense

[covert blaze]

flavour of the week 1

[summer quail]

real

[hard widget]

How many queen kills u upto?

[sullen dove]

85

[covert blaze]

uhhh let me check

[hard widget]

Unreal

[covert blaze]

starts with 3

[hard widget]

Brother…

[tidal kindle]

Yah arms burst + passive cleave from everyone else will be enough at that point

[hard widget]

U have over 300 kills?

[tidal kindle]

Arms 2nd highest on pre-WCL change rash

But fury was EN Spriest levels of silly

In terms of disparity

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-family-guy-peter-perhaps-peter-perhaps-gif-24813812

[hard widget]

Thats disgusting and amazing at the same time

😂

I wouldnt have that level of commitment ngl

But i guess u made some gold caps doing it

[sullen dove]

what kinda guild is this mf in

[edgy widget]

more like flavor of the week

[hasty goblet]

uhh

is there a new nerf coming next week>?

someone in raid is saying so and idk if theyre trolling me

[summer quail]

no, not next week. next month sometime

[hasty goblet]

a heavy nerf? do we have any details or just suggestions at the fact?

[summer quail]

well, decently big for m+ and some fights. for others the nerf does nothing

[willow cradle]

#updates-midnight message

[hasty goblet]

ty

[tidal kindle]

Mild nerf for most of the playerbase and the content they do in terms of numbers (unless they change the code on how TRoar dot is implemented) for sustained dam

Kinda poo for burst aoe

But it's (imo) a very bad sign in terms of how they're addressing a problem that they themselves created

Raid burst is oppressive so instead they hit what's propping us up in m+

Where fury is going to get outpaced by other specs in terms of meta/meta adjacent (already has begun)

[hard widget]

Sad, but true

[summer quail]

honestly can't believe they are nerfing us further. it's so dumb

[tidal kindle]

OF dot damage is split after target cap, Roar dot damage currently is not.

If roar dot damage also gets split its gg

Packing it up

[summer quail]

surely this means they will buff our st by a decent amount

[tulip swallow]

don't tell them about this

I'm sure they just don't know

[tidal kindle]

If burst aoe was the issue

Reduce up front dam

Shift to dot

Or hit bs target cap / damage

[summer quail]

this is what i was thinking they were gonna do when i read the notes

[tidal kindle]

Cuz BS is what's the larger chunk of burst dam

[tulip swallow]

it would be so joever if they did tbh

It is like a 20% nerf to OF though,

[tidal kindle]

Cuz changing how roar dot also bricks arms

[ebon stag]

Guess it be time to just jump ship

[hard widget]

Just buff fdk

[tidal kindle]

I'm waiting to see how .5 patch fully shakes out

[ebon stag]

Blizzard hates warriors

[tulip swallow]

facts

[tidal kindle]

The whole community has it out for warriors this tier

[hard widget]

Even WCL team

[tidal kindle]

Only slightly victim complex I swear

[tulip swallow]

They see one tier where warrior is at the appropriate power level and lose their minds

[summer quail]

i read some reddit comments(yes i know) and their takes on fury is hilarious. they still think fury is extremely broken and thinks fury needs nerf

[hard widget]

Lemme guess, the boomie that just did his +4 weekly?

[tulip swallow]

It is overpowered.... in world quests

[hasty goblet]

should i just reroll frost dk at this point

[summer quail]

come on man, no chance these people even step into m+. prob does normal raid at best

[ebon stag]

Boy oh boy were we optimistic heading into launch and then bam they came for us

[tidal kindle]

I think for what it's supposed to do, fury is broken in the current raid, yes.

But thats what happens when you design a raid around 45s burst aoe, and make 1 spec's only role to be 45s burst aoe

[tulip swallow]

it's rng if they get nerfed or stay overpowered until the next raid tier

[tidal kindle]

The burst aoe in which mobs die within 3 gcds

So if you neuter that without compensation it's kinda

[quartz tulip]

im 6 ilvl higher than this ret and hes doing way way more damage than me

ill show u after this +9 NW

[eager thorn]

Divine storm go brr

[tulip swallow]

Windwalker monk did the same thing for the entire expansion of shadowlands and never got nerfed

[summer quail]

ye ret is sleeper atm. more people are finding out how strong they are tho

[red berry]

they could also just make it so a classes ability does a less damage in a zone as opposed to butchering the class everywhere

[edgy widget]

Fury's bursty damage profile lends itself really well to lower difficulties where things can be burst down, and especially considering that its damage is so frontloaded, it can look good even in messy combat (dyihng after your burst goes out still gets 70%+ of your damage)

[tidal kindle]

Id generally say fury also has the advantage of retaining strong ST while talenting aoe but current iteration fdk/enh/monk exist

So

[summer quail]

exactly

[red berry]

idk if ret pallies do more ST atm but they definitely do more AoE and i feel that in keys

its harder to keep up then it ever has been actually

[tidal kindle]

They trade their st for big aoe

[edgy widget]

and Reddit is generally made up of a lot more casual players, so yeah to their perspective Fury can look oppressively strong

[red berry]

tracks

[summer quail]

i beat my ret friend in st in keys. he beats me overall

[ebon stag]

Switching my main to f/b dk until blizzard figures out what were suppose to be

[edgy widget]

Yeah but when Ret specs ST he also beats you

[red berry]

having done a shitton of 10s this week, frost deathknights are fucking everywhere

[tulip swallow]

Ret still has serviceable single target in keys

[edgy widget]

Frost DK is absolutely OP in M+ right now, not even a question

[summer quail]

true. ret does beat me in raid by a decent amount

[red berry]

yeah they are

[tidal kindle]

Fury does all its aoe damage in 3-4 globals

Trinket + reck + ava (torment OF - also enrage + ww stacks) + roar
Bladestorm
OF again

[hard widget]

Archi, i got 2 new name ideas for you when 11.0.5 hits. Fist we have Achtimfrostos, and secondly Frostytiros. Which one do you prefer?

[tidal kindle]

That is the crux of this issue

[edgy widget]

get help

[hard widget]

Xd

[ebon stag]

I'm a fury warrior main

I always need help

[edgy widget]

I wish I could unsee this

[tidal kindle]

Archiofthedead

[ebon stag]

But were the VA at this point

[red berry]

lmao

[hard widget]

HAHA

[ebon stag]

And no one's helping

[summer quail]

you don't think my fdk should do 1million overall at 588? outrageous(i also have no clue what i'm doing on the spec)

[edgy widget]

for the record, my DK's name is Archimdeadros

[tidal kindle]

Imagine if arms had old blademasters

[red berry]

so much about FDK's kit is goofy for keys

[tidal kindle]

Holy shit

Warrior would be CRATERED

[red berry]

and for raid

[hard widget]

Meh, i like FrostyTiros better

[ebon stag]

I concur

[edgy widget]

you would

[tulip swallow]

imagine if they didn't kill the talent for no reason

[ebon stag]

Rolls of the tongue

[tulip swallow]

We could have lived in that world, but we don't

[edgy widget]

it was killed for a good reason, just not a likeable reason lol

[tidal kindle]

Theyd have publicly executed warrior and put its head on a pike if arms had old blademaster

[hard widget]

Holdon.. uhum… WARRIOR THEORYCRAFTER JUMPING SHIP, FURY DEADGE OMG

[tidal kindle]

Just look what theyre doing to fury

[half cargo]

I’m on a break this tier, every time I get the itch to play again, I read about a nerf

[edgy widget]

Arms would be oppressively strong if it still had the free insta-bladestorm

[tidal kindle]

Arms would >>>>> fury

If that existed

[tulip swallow]

Petition to bring back unhinged cleaves too

[buoyant salmon]

bring back dn

not meme why is dn so omega dogshit

fix it immediately

[tidal kindle]

Bring back unhinged cleave as recompense for of / roar cap nerf, thoughts @edgy widget ?

[edgy widget]

TBF DN isn't actually bad, it's just not OP anymore

[tidal kindle]

Id take that

[half cargo]

Paying for the sins of dragonflight

[tulip swallow]

DN was overtuned in dragonflight but it does feel kind of gross now

[edgy widget]

Dreadnaught is now like 3-5%, which is actually quite respectable for a single mid-tier talent

[red berry]

dreadnaught was so strong, it did need it but

how is their AoE now?

i havent tried slayer/colossus yet

[tulip swallow]

it's fine, cleave owns

[buoyant salmon]

its fine

[edgy widget]

they just but the damage into Cleave instead, yeah

[buoyant salmon]

nothing spectacular but i wouldn’t say it’s bad

[edgy widget]

and their AoE is fine, it's just very sustained, which there isn't a whole lot of call for in raid

[red berry]

ill probably be playing arms in the 11.0.5 changes go through, so

[buoyant salmon]

i highly doubt those are the only warrior changes that will occur

but maybe im just stupid :)

[red berry]

oh yeah no there's still time

[tidal kindle]

I also doubt it

[edgy widget]

and it doesn't have the same kind of "high meter moments" as Fury, but over the course of a long dungeon and especially counting ST bosses, it does respectable damage

[red berry]

but im of the mind the nerf shouldn't go through at all

[tulip swallow]

Surely they're just cooking up the super secret ret paladin tier rework

[tidal kindle]

But I also doubt they'll be favorable kr favorably designed at this point

[buoyant salmon]

i just dislike target caps in general

[tulip swallow]

Target caps are dumb af, yeah

[buoyant salmon]

so even if the change was just id still disagree with what they are changing

[edgy widget]

the nerf is warranted tbh, Fury's AoE is oppressively strong on those instant burst adds on Rasha/Ansurek and will continue to be one of the best after... it's just shit everywhere else, unnecessarily hurting it in M+ and sustained fights like Broodtwister where Fury isn't even top in the first place

[tulip swallow]

They just don't translate into power when you actually are at your capped number

you just get owned by uncapped specs anyway

and then they outscale you with more targets

[open prairie]

why do ranged not get target capped

[red berry]

i don't think its unwarranted mind - keys are my favorite environment, though. i dont care for raid

[tidal kindle]

Because 3 outlaw happened once in MDI

And then 2 outlaw udk

[red berry]

in terms of what i enjoy its going to make doing what i enjoy most a worse experience

[open prairie]

so did 4 ww

[tidal kindle]

Thats a bug nit a feature

[open prairie]

or the 3x bm hunter seasons

[buoyant salmon]

old man

remembers legion mdi

kekw

[edgy widget]

it's worth pointing out, TR/OF aren't getting hard capped lower, they're getting soft capped lower - they'll still hit beyond 5 targets, they'll just split damage sooner (doing less overall)

[tidal kindle]

The dot concerns me the most

[open prairie]

can we do no healer mdi again

[tidal kindle]

Do they even know OF dot splits dam

I'm afraid to ask

[tulip swallow]

If they sofcap the dot it's so joever

[edgy widget]

good question lmao

[open prairie]

i want to see jdotb mald on twitter

[red berry]

the dot is the concern. again, they could just target zone-specific changes if they want to target one's performance relative to things

[edgy widget]

I would guess yes, but they don't know that TRs doesn't

[tidal kindle]

Yeah thats why I'm terrified

[open prairie]

like

i look at dev evoker burst aoe

and think “yeah this is fine”

dumbass dragon rping as onyxia

[tidal kindle]

The least controversial fix imo

[tulip swallow]

"Thunderous roar now properly splits damage above 5 targets" (this is like a 40% nerf disguised as a bugfix with no compensation)

[tidal kindle]

Remove upfront dam on OF

Shift to dot

Reduce roar dam by a small %

[open prairie]

I mean how come OF was a non issue

[red berry]

putting it into dot damage would let you buff it a little too, which... frankly, fury could use for keys

[open prairie]

prior

[tidal kindle]

Make TitanicR buff the up front dam of OF if you want

Or just keep as is

[tulip swallow]

Make titans torment a damage buff for OF or something if they're so concerned with the double

[open prairie]

ret paladins fr pressing

one button

that is their aoe

[tidal kindle]

Theres so many things you can do

Titans torment exsangs your dots

[open prairie]

you mean the talent that got deleted?

[tulip swallow]

Aoe deathmark for warriors

[tidal kindle]

Titans torment makes your OF dot a damage amp for future cleave in that 4s window

[red berry]

they could just change out the burst for more consistency in general

[open prairie]

they got peak lazy for rogue

[red berry]

and it would let them buff the ST and those abilities safely

[open prairie]

every spec has bladeflurry

is the pinnacle of aoe design

[eternal canopy]

just buff MT

[tulip swallow]

The gcd tax for meat cleaver feels so bad unless you're playing thane

[eternal canopy]

i wanna clap anyways

[open prairie]

thane feels good for prot

[tidal kindle]

If they made fury useless past 8 and the kings of 5T

Made arms useless past 5T and king of 2T + execute

[hard lily]

now we're cookin

[tidal kindle]

I'm happy

[open prairie]

kinda underwhelming on fury

[tidal kindle]

Dont think that's controversial either

But I'm biased towards myself

[open prairie]

well shield slam is your biggest st hit as prot i guess

[tulip swallow]

Imagine if your aoe damage just scaled linearly as god intended

[open prairie]

besides execute

[quartz tulip]

LLLLLLLLLLL

[tidal kindle]

Shield slam with LTS

[civic current]

So fury wars getting another need lmao

[open prairie]

lightning strikes?

[civic current]

Nerf”

[spare steppe]

you dont understand that's a lot of skill

[open prairie]

how much of it was divine storm

[tulip swallow]

dawnlight was probably top damage but that's just my vibe rn

[tidal kindle]

Yah

[open prairie]

15%

lmfao

[tulip swallow]

that's fine tbh

Aoe button is top damage in aoe content

[open prairie]

I like how much of that breakdown

is entirely passive

wtf happened with ret that final verdict isnt even 1%

Is this man divine storming on ST

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[edgy widget]

TBF have you seen ret rotation? it's not exactly a lot of buttons

[quartz tulip]

idk

[wanton cliff]

Castle nath was so good as a monk 🤌👌

[open prairie]

i played it on remix

the 3-4 extra auto attacks every 10s tinker was big funny

you just had a full holy power bar from 0 every time it went off

[buoyant salmon]

that would be fine

but just wont happen

they refuse to make target capped classes bis at their caps

[tidal kindle]

Friendly reminder rampage parry prevents RA from activating

[tidal kindle]

Yah idk

[tulip swallow]

yet another reason to delete parry

[tardy axle]

yep there is a build on wowhead where it says if youre the divine storm build then even in single target you divine storm

[buoyant salmon]

parry is so criminal

[buoyant salmon]

idk why youd ever play that build though

[tulip swallow]

"just stand behind the boss" (Behind the boss is a death puddle and the boss spends 40% of the fight casting instead of moving)

[tardy axle]

because why push many buttons when few buttons do trick

[nimble ermine]

parry is such a good mechanic that totally shouldnt be taken out and old yeller'd

[buoyant salmon]

yes bc ret is a lot of buttons

[vital sonnet]

NPC mobs parrying and blocking in a game removed from weapon skills and hit/expertise shouldn't be a thing

Change my mind

[tulip swallow]

They can keep parry but they have to make it so they have an equal chance to dodge ranged attacks also

[open prairie]

add spell resist back

but only for casters

[buoyant salmon]

dont do that

[tidal kindle]

Bloodbound, forced to face you
Skitran, forced to face you
Broodtwister, xd
Nexcess, Court, Ansurek - forced to face you

[buoyant salmon]

why have either

[tidal kindle]

"Just position better"

[open prairie]

can bloodbound even parry

[buoyant salmon]

anyone that says position better has room temperature iq

[open prairie]

thought those rooted bosses cant

[tulip swallow]

blizzard says position batter

[nimble ermine]

isnt ansurek so fat that she just parries you even from the side

[tulip swallow]

[buoyant salmon]

morgan day is stupid

[tidal kindle]

Btoodtwist too

[tidal kindle]

Rash cant bloodbound can

[nimble ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-gif-23832997

[open prairie]

wtf

[tidal kindle]

Because youre always facing rash

Bloodbound you can "get around it" by getting around the boss

[open prairie]

just position better

also blizz

[tidal kindle]

But that just means you dont go down ever

So like

[buoyant salmon]

rash could parry in the dungeon

[tidal kindle]

[open prairie]

make mechanics where you stack in front

[buoyant salmon]

kekdubs

[nimble ermine]

bloodbound parry is actually fucking criminal

[open prairie]

also i love how

they add new mechanics to old dungeons

but keep bananas on floor

in siege

[tidal kindle]

[nimble ermine]

🍌 🐒

[tulip swallow]

Adding new mechanics to dungeons that already existed as m+ is crazy btw

[buoyant salmon]

all of these dungeons are ass

i actually cant be convinced any of these are fun experiences

[tidal kindle]

I am still in stonevault prison

[pliant jackal]

how much are tier 8 delve carries going for

[tidal kindle]

[tardy axle]

but stonevault tho

[open prairie]

better than grim batol prison

[buoyant salmon]

stonevault is fine

[tidal kindle]

Nah dawnbreaker kinda fun

[buoyant salmon]

i wouldnt say its omega shit

[tulip swallow]

I don't mind stonevault that much, uptime on last boss is a little cringe though

[buoyant salmon]

but its not a fun time

[tidal kindle]

From this pool

City too

[tardy axle]

fuck grim batol; like 2 bis items on an 11 item pool compared to 3 on a 7

[buoyant salmon]

dawnbreaker is so grief man

[nimble ermine]

gb is just so long for no reason

[buoyant salmon]

u can just leap through bost

boat

[tidal kindle]

Ara kara is easy but idk how I feel about design

[buoyant salmon]

u can pull random shit midair and get stuck in combat forever

[tidal kindle]

Okay the bugs make it shit but like, the design of the dungeon trash/bosses

[open prairie]

its a cata dungeon

[pliant jackal]

I like Grim batol

[tidal kindle]

The vibe of the place

[open prairie]

dont upset the classic andies

[buoyant salmon]

if the bugs didnt exist it would be fine

nothing before legion can be a real m+ key

[open prairie]

they will rage at you in between frostbolt casts

[tulip swallow]

There are so many bugs though

[buoyant salmon]

it just cant happen

old outdated mechanics

[tardy axle]

still waiting for mythic+ RFC or sunken temple

[open prairie]

whos ready for BRD raid

[tardy axle]

when does the anniversary drop? this reset?

[buoyant salmon]

rfc doesnt even have mechanics

[open prairie]

m+ og wailing caverns

[tardy axle]

people will still fuck it up

[open prairie]

brick key because someone got lost

[tardy axle]

brick key bercause they missed the jump

[open prairie]

people wipe in classic raids

[tulip swallow]

If they bring back temple of sethralis i'm going to scream btw

[buoyant salmon]

“people”

[tulip swallow]

key bricked because the game decided it didn't feel like working today

[tidal kindle]

Merektha's fang

[buoyant salmon]

sethralis might be the worst key ever

[tidal kindle]

First boss cringe

Rest was fine

[buoyant salmon]

temple of the jade serpent is up there too

[buoyant salmon]

maybe i was just really shit in bfabut 2nd to last boss super aids

and healer boss gg

[tulip swallow]

Abouyt 50% of all dungeons in an expansion are places I never want to step foot in again

[open prairie]

De other side

[tardy axle]

ran temple so many times in DF for the ring on my rogue; never got it

[buoyant salmon]

dos was redeemed by bigass urn pulls

[open prairie]

wait which temple

[buoyant salmon]

if only it wasnt 43(?) minutes lmao

[pliant jackal]

the dungeons arent that bad this xpac

[tulip swallow]

De other side was worth it for the bird pulls but they would make those impossible if they ever brought it back

[elder vessel]

Yeah temple is easily the worst dungeon

[buoyant salmon]

uldaman still felt longer though

jade serpent

[edgy widget]

honestly, as a DPS I don't hate these dungeons
my regular Paladin tank however, is screaming internally (and sometimes externally) in about half of them though

[tulip swallow]

Dev team hates big pulls even though players like them

[buoyant salmon]

dogass key

[open prairie]

there was a ring in there?

[buoyant salmon]

oh idk

[open prairie]

only good rogue ring i remember from s1 df was the cos one

[tardy axle]

for outlaw there was a stacked vers ring in there iirc

[buoyant salmon]

cos proves nostalgia means jackshit for what was good design

[tulip swallow]

uldaman is like top 3 worst dungeons

[buoyant salmon]

eranog bro

[open prairie]

Yeah i was about to say

[tardy axle]

ye the other ring

already had eranog

[open prairie]

s1 df was eranog/cos ring

[buoyant salmon]

signet of melandrus

[elder vessel]

Theme wise the new meadery dungeon is dope

[open prairie]

i farmed that place

3 seasons in a row

twice on timewalking

then s1 df

[buoyant salmon]

cos was fun in tgp though bc the 2nd and 3rd bosses just obliterated your hp bar

[tulip swallow]

Trash mechanics in meadery are pretty cringe

[buoyant salmon]

fun to watch

just bring back the mega dungeons again theyre all good

dragonflight ones being passable

[elder vessel]

But it’s a beer factory and one of the bosses is called IPA

goated theme

[open prairie]

who wants to farm timestrike weapons again

[buoyant salmon]

i never did on my dh

i didnt give a fuck

[tulip swallow]

yeah I'm g ood

[buoyant salmon]

was only doing 26s so

not needed

[open prairie]

my favorite

was seeing tanks in s4

with a 483 scales

brother….

[buoyant salmon]

i remember ppl downvoting me for saying havoc will struggle to live top keys

and then havoc was never brought bc they couldnt live without mega external help

[weary sail]

"why do ppl dont accept me as DPS" meanwhile theres like 45+ DPS viling for 1 spot

[open prairie]

also vdh was

vdh

[buoyant salmon]

true but if havoc could live you wouldve saw more

but not wrong

[open prairie]

turn in tremblade quest

[buoyant salmon]

cheat is soooo bait

atleast for me

[weary sail]

im oncquest cap already

[buoyant salmon]

i play worse knowing cheat isnt available

maybe thats just me though

[tulip swallow]

Blur is still one of the best defensives in the game tbh, there just isn't much else they have going for them

[open prairie]

when i saw a vdh with

cheat and scales

[buoyant salmon]

also real defensive trinkets are just better

and will save you more

[open prairie]

on a non high key

[buoyant salmon]

vdh cheat actually makes you squishier

just so unplayable

[open prairie]

anytime i see vdhs play

no spirit bomb

i die inside ngl

[buoyant salmon]

tjusn riders

[tulip swallow]

Spirit bomb should just replace soul cleave tbh

[buoyant salmon]

tjuan

idc what ppl spec as long as they have soulcrush lol

is that what its called idek

[open prairie]

frailty?

[buoyant salmon]

maybe

[sinful spoke]

why ive been prot tanking

[spare steppe]

Prot tanking can get you some truly terrible people being assholes though

[tardy axle]

better than sitting in the city doing nothing

[vocal siren]

ya but u can always leave

[spare steppe]

Like I didn’t time a 7 cause the healer kept dying and they blamed me for it

[vocal siren]

and get another queue right after

[sinful spoke]

nah bro i had this guy join my key dh dps bro kept dying by taking aggro after i pulled popping cds insta

calling me bad and boosted and i was like "hows ur heroic prog going" he was like i got 8/8m last df raid and im like last df raid had 9 bosses u dog

he went quiet

[spare steppe]

Do you MT tank or colossus?

[sand flame]

are there soft caps to target for secondary stats?

[oblique raft]

[idle wolf]

if i'm not raiding i should probably pick hero track tier from my vault right?

[silk wharf]

well hero track tier can eventually be catalyzed in to.

But if you want tier now then yes

[torpid sand]

i should become an outlaw rogue

press blade flurry do massive aoe damage

[idle wolf]

i still have 2 catalyst charges. but need to choose between these two :/

[silk wharf]

That weapon is quite good. Either is a fine choice. Assuming those are your only options, and you don't have a hero track weapon, I would probably pick the weapon. Tier is relatively unimpactful and can be cata'ed from any item in those armor slots.

[idle wolf]

i guess the tier is more of a guaranteed thing

[pine cradle]

Heyo just started and feel like my dps is super low. 569 barely breaking 500k on ST fights any ideas on what I might be doing wrong?

[silk wharf]

Seems fine for 569. Just work on getting that item level up.

[young swan]

u just need way more gear

[pine cradle]

So it’s halfway decent than? Just lacking gear

[silk wharf]

590 crafted items are really cheap to make now that everyone can use the cheapest materials.

[young swan]

honestly at the low ilvl is pretty impossible to tell if its good or not

its prob fien

[pine cradle]

Yeah I need to get my hands on those crests so I can make some 590 crafted

[idle wolf]

anyone know how to add higher gear track items if manually adding them to a raidbots top gear sim?

nvm got it

[silk wharf]

Afaik you can only add specific items with a set item level.

nvm

[idle wolf]

you type in the item level and it updates to higher tracks

[sinful spoke]

Wep only herot rack

Take tier

[idle wolf]

i'm not raiding

[sinful spoke]

If the weapon was myth u take

U can farm the mace

From 7s

If ur not raiding u cant farm the tier

[idle wolf]

you can just upgrade hero track though

[sinful spoke]

And u can farm hero track mace on keys

Taking the mace there is super troll but go ahead

Next grim batol u run will drop one

[still wave]

You can also just farm any pants and catalyze them

[idle wolf]

but in 4 weeks i'll have 4 pc tier also right?

2 more charges

but i could also not see the mace drop in 4 weeks

[sinful spoke]

Quite literally impossible unless u run grim batol once a week

[idle wolf]

well i'm away for the next 10 days

[sinful spoke]

But it is ur vault

Go ahead and choose ur mace

[idle wolf]

i'm just trying to reason it out. i dont' disagree necessarily

[sinful spoke]

Two hero track pieces that are easily replaced

If u cant choose go with socket

[idle wolf]

alright crafted weapon and farming grim batol it is

[tardy axle]

farm stonevault

trinket, cape, neck

and only 7 drops total compared to GB 11

[clever belfry]

if you just care for a wep you do siege

[vague copper]

Why not Grim?

[pearl sequoia]

grim is grim

[vague copper]

yeah 😛

[weary sail]

yoda prot warr guide, https://docs.google.com/document/d/12cPxTThgdFBT9saOqQl9j9i3yGogm5feppko5GA_5io/edit

his talents look kinda crazy no??

[vague copper]

But Haste/mastery

Allso first boss HC is easier then LFR so one shoot/week 😛

[eager thorn]

grim batol isnt that bad

especially if you bug abuse boss 3

[weary sail]

which one is "that bad"

siege?

[eager thorn]

I dont like sv that much

[vague copper]

Tell me more 😛

[eager thorn]

Tank just has to tank boss in a certain spot then boss doesnt spawn adds

[vague copper]

Ohh

Hold...

[eager thorn]

Makes it free especially if ur ranged

[vague copper]

Had a blast in a 9 some days ago with some friends.. Got this from our tank..

[weary sail]

u can probs abuse it for a while until Echo abuse it in MDI

[vague copper]

Gave him this back

😄

Was somewhat triggerhappy on charge

those paintskill aint bad

[buoyant salmon]

this is shit

[weary sail]

lmao

[buoyant salmon]

hold global

what

[wet locust]

is there a universe thane is playable on brood? getting clapped by adds on heroic

[eager thorn]

You can take a point out of armored to the teeth for uproar if your raid is struggling with add clearing

[wet locust]

they shouldnt be but idk theres damage flying everywhere

[sullen dove]

oh yeah no this is great

just why not

just kill me from 70% instantly

[wet locust]

only really levelled with thane not used it at max since

[sullen dove]

just for fun

[main cave]

Wish thane was bigger

How is it in add week? Worth?

[eager thorn]

Just don’t stand on evil floor

[misty salmon]

is fury getting nerfed again?

[low folio]

those shadow wells are evil but i believe they only target the tank now

[sullen dove]

well that actually kills you

[sudden tusk]

That fucking well that i hate

the best part

is because its a small pool that grows

depending on when you notice and move it can spawn, tank backpedals. you step in it, notice step out and it grows slightly instantly ticking and killing you

[sullen dove]

does it grow never noticed

Must be pretty damn slow

he casts tank runs yep cocka

necrotic bolters can go 7 tho…

[sudden tusk]

[velvet obsidian]

Is it worth running bitter immunity in GB to self dispel curses ya think?

[sudden tusk]

no

if Bitter immunity was like a 1min/1.5 cd i think it could be viable in some situations

but at 3 min its just not

[oblique trail]

Imo, BI is extremely easy to pick as Slayer and is a good backup

[sudden tusk]

we do have a flex point but i prefer last wind exclusivly

so its takable but maybe just preferance for me

[oblique trail]

Haven't paid attention, but feel there's too much ticking damage in GB going on for Second Wind to be worth anything there

[eternal sundial]

No bi keybind wcyd

[oblique trail]

Find one or pay

[eternal sundial]

My old keybind was piercing how but is now leap

[sudden tusk]

its ptob got a use in GB, but second wind dosent break on the orb pickups on the third boss of City of Threads as an example

so you can just eat all the orbs

[eternal sundial]

In the prot channel i think

[naive swallow]

what's best weapon embelishment for M+?

rarely raids

blessed weapon grip?

[oblique trail]

None, you'd go 2x Lining if you focus on M+

[naive swallow]

so no embelishment for weap and 2x on armor ?

[oblique trail]

Correct

[naive swallow]

ok thanks ~ and darkmoon ascension would be best for raid still?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[naive swallow]

thanks ~~

[dusty rose]

What is the difference ?

[heady wedge]

Y

[fading tangle]

I've got a quick question, is fury prone to overcapping rage at any point? I don't play fury myself, so I can't really tell.

[buoyant salmon]

with reckless abandon and during cds

yes

[fading tangle]

Good to know, thanks.

[worthy mountain]

Hey fam quick one - Is this fine to run in keys

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Thunderous Roar
/use Mark of Khardros

i have reck seperate for raid, just sussing this out

[buoyant salmon]

use mark of khardros before avatar

[worthy mountain]

and if so would you go straight into BS - Ramp-BB-Ramp-Odyns from there

[buoyant salmon]

you want odyns fury from avatar to be buffed

[worthy mountain]

ahh yep

copy

[fiery harbor]

and reck too

for the crit chance

avatar and roar do dmg ao you want them after the buffs

and avatar before roar obv

and dps racial if you have one

[worthy mountain]

copy makes sense

TY

[slow harness]

I have a question regarding the Fury: Do the stats change if you go to two one-handed weapons instead of two two-handed weapons?

[buoyant salmon]

no, you just do less damage

go arms loot spec to not loot 1 handers

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail

https://tenor.com/view/whiskers-mmm-hmm-suspicious-sus-gif-11609747178733891907

[oblique trail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cake-cat-cake-meme-gif-24537247

[clever belfry]

he do be lookin fancy

[oblique trail]

nothing left inside

[stuck axle]

Hello guys, what do you use as a rotation helper ingame ?

I have hekili + Publik's Fury auras , but hekili is somehow not relevant when it comes to mm+ or AOE (maybe it have to be set someway ?)

I think some simple weakauras (more simple than Publik's) may exist to check in a quick look CDs for main rotation abilities

[slim grotto]

Any engineers here? Are you crafting bracers and if so what tinker?

[weak tartan]

this might be a noob question, but why is there no bountiful delves in the map anymore like week1? are all delves bountiful now?
like we used to only be able to do 4
can I smash all my keys from 1 go now?

[chrome plover]

there are still 4 per day, 1 in each zone