fury

[spare otter]

im guessing we go back to db now over tr?

[tidal kindle]

TR offers too much qol

Fury burst aoe is oppressive because it requires 0 setup

[sullen dove]

db just sucks you pick something else

[gilded pawn]

No colossus smash no deep wounds

Just one button and go

[tidal kindle]

Avatar enrages you, pops OF, gives you ww, is off GCD

same gcd you press roar

Then you insta BS

0 counterplay

[sullen dove]

and die in 2 seconds

[silk wharf]

Gotta wait for 2 sunders.

Thats the true power of transmitter. youre spending the first 5 seconds of the pull figuring out what to do for the buff

And not pulling threat.

[dense elbow]

I will find you

and I will stab you

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watching-you-cartoon-anime-gif-8126276

[pale lava]

do go on and elaborate though because it seems like they are indeed completely out of touch with how things really work

[cold silo]

Honest question here and pls try not to be biased. Are the nerfs significant or not really in the big scheme of things. For example, are we going to be 10% or less behind other similar classes? If so, I am content

[pale lava]

they are pretty significant, also add the fact that other classes are much better currently

in M+

[cold silo]

If Fury becomes significantly weak doesn't that mean it will be buffed next as a result tho?

[pale lava]

ha

good joke

you'd think that

[dense elbow]

#updates-midnight got the breakdown. They will not break us, but they will push us futher down and into a worse spot. You can and will still be able to complete almost all content - but, if the nerf goes through as is, we will actually get to the point of... why bring us.

[pale lava]

but we are not mage

or wl

[cold silo]

Okay, but it just doesn't make sense that if we are already weak that we are getting nerfed more. My guess is you guys are being overly negative and we must be somewhat op now and getting nerfed deservedly.

[pale lava]

?

we're good in raid but in M+ we get giga smoked by other specs

[teal pine]

The dooming is definitely excessive

[pale lava]

and ppl are pissed that the aura nerf wasn't deserved at all

[dense elbow]

We are currently in good spot, we aint overpowering - but we are far from weak. We are decent. Could be a bit better, but could be a lot worse. The nerf will push us down to viable, but not decent.

[cold silo]

but why would it happen at all if it wasn't deserved? They don't roll a dice to decide what gets nerfed, it's for a reason

[spare otter]

so the play is to go arms?

[pale lava]

u haven't played wow for long have u?

blizz is known for being really bad at balancing

[dense elbow]

Devs kinda react to uproar more than anything, when they balance like this. Fury was too strong for lowbie content, HC dungs and raids

we blew everyone out of the water

So we getting punished and feeling the ripples from that mainly

(it was a lot of uproar about it)

[cold silo]

Okay, that makes sense.

[pale lava]

they are also known for being pretty unaware of how the design of classes actually interact with different types of content

[velvet obsidian]

Also, nerfing fury to death is just a classic at this point.

Ol reliable

[dense elbow]

Gotta go back down till we start getting our every 2 weeks 3% aura buffs

or we aint fury

[pale lava]

^

[velvet obsidian]

This one is a long time fury enjoyer

[pale lava]

s1 shadowlands

I remember

[velvet obsidian]

I member

[pale lava]

every week was like opening a new gift box

new buff every week

[velvet obsidian]

Stole our haste, CSHB, and Carnage and then Pikachu faces when the spec was garbage

[alpine quartz]

Embrace smf

[fickle cedar]

legion too

[pale lava]

at least we had draught for some time in legion

[dense elbow]

Legion had reasonable burst potential and extremely good execute phase

[fickle cedar]

oh god draught and

yeah but emerald nightmare was shit for us

[dense elbow]

You forgetting the Jim Trinky

Arcano Crystal

[sour stirrup]

The trinket that lasted tiers

[vestal root]

fury is awesome until you hit a boss like nexus princess and then you sweat like a pig and you still cant do jack shit damage

[dense elbow]

Nexus princess?

I do decent on it

Or ya talking mythic, havent done that yet

[vestal root]

dont think most people saw it on mythic lmao

[dense elbow]

ye we doing fine on princess

bit on the lowside of midpack, but ST aint our niche. 100% fair

[pale lava]

ye which was fine, we were really good at burst aoe

[pale lava]

and we had average st to somehow compensate

then we get st nerfed

[vestal root]

fury is fine as long as that nerf in ptr gets reverted

[north edge]

I’ve started doing arms in keys

To prep

[dense elbow]

Well, they want to kill our burst, so that wont happen

[teal pine]

Fire mage has had a crazy glow up

[north edge]

But damn I’m sure as hell squishy

[pale lava]

you should see enha/ret/arcane/assa in M+

[vestal root]

i did see, enh shamans are not fair

retri is crazy burst AoE but sometimes their ST also sucks ass lol

also wheelchair af

[pale lava]

them being "wheelchair" doesn't matter

[vestal root]

same, actually fun now that i am getting used to it more

[pale lava]

they have freedom or horse when needed

[vestal root]

hitting insane cleaves

[pale lava]

and they can attack from range

[tribal flint]

Do warlocks suck rn?

[vestal root]

only demo

[tribal flint]

Ah so affliction and destro are fine

[vestal root]

which can only be "fine" in m+

[tribal flint]

Leveling a lock as a backup rn

[pale lava]

nah I tried it and it's such a letdown gameplay wise compared to current fury

[dense elbow]

Gameplay, Fury is a winner. At least as long we keep our burst.

Fury gets boring when it is flat

[pale lava]

no button feels good to press

[vestal root]

agreed but arms has nice things to it too

[pale lava]

on arms currently

[north edge]

What’s wrong with it gameplay wise? It’s the same as before

[vestal root]

fat cleaves and MS, Demolish

cool skills

[north edge]

Spam execute

Keep up juggernaut stacks

[pale lava]

it feels bland compared to how fury currently plays

[vestal root]

also relevant executes

[north edge]

The jugganaught build actually fucks in some keys

[vestal root]

gelly build?

[north edge]

Ye the gelly build

Although I kept more points in bloodborne

And using improved sweeping

[vestal root]

im running standard colossus except 2 in deft

and 1 in bloodborne

i just feel more comfy with more OP resets

[north edge]

I swear half the time I just wanna press execute instead of any other button

[vestal root]

some dont even run massacre on colossus

[north edge]

I cant deal with colossus

Seems too gimmicky to me

[vestal root]

its braindead easy lol and it lets you have a CD for big burst on every pack

[north edge]

I don’t think critcake likes it either

[lean heart]

FELLAS i am OUT OF JAIL

[dense elbow]

no leech, get back in there!

[vestal root]

gzz

[dry hawk]

So, crafted axe or sword?

[dense elbow]

Flip a coin

[dry hawk]

Dps is basically the same?

[dense elbow]

Nooooo!

Once it is over, we getting nerfed and nerfed again

race should last 6 more months

I beg

[summer quail]

doesn't matter, only difference is appearance

[queen linden]

Well, at least they did it at a better time then when they nerfed Raz

And it's not as big of a nerf.

[restive pewter]

what are the blrood talents?

uproar and am?

-1 point in armored to the teeth for what?

[olive wraith]

Seems kinda early for a queen nerf no?

[summer quail]

depends on if there's a secret phase or not

[upbeat swan]

Quick rotation question regarding ashen juggernaut stacking in ST, do we wanna just get it to 5 as fast as possible or should I be waiting for 3 marks on target before stacking?

[verbal rivet]

It’s been like 2 days on boss lmao

[uneven grotto]

@fickle bluff does spell reflect still work on fear in p2? i got it 20%!

[fickle bluff]

apparently not

havent tried it myself though

[slim pollen]

On Zekvir? Prevents the damage/fear, but deals no damage

[cedar depot]

only execute if ashen is missing, about to falloff, or 3 stacks, otherwise its low prio with any stack

[vernal tundra]

do we have an apl fo fury sim or does raid bots sime 4 set correctly

[willow cradle]

It sims properly

[iron portal]

They didnt nerf me

[willow cradle]

Raz still OP 5 years after the incident

[vernal tundra]

with 4 set should i be doing 2 raging blow before blodbath or should i just do 1

[fickle bluff]

tier changes nothing

[vernal tundra]

im new so im not sure i was doing it right before 4 set

[iron portal]

True true

[willow cradle]

It's entirely passive

[queen linden]

[iron portal]

[pliant jackal]

The pulls on seige is wack

[teal pine]

is dawnthread lining also a nerubian embellishment

or is it like arathi

[tidal kindle]

No because they're spammed with mechs and cant really ever hit the boss, something has to give

[teal pine]

i dont see it say anywhere in game

[fickle bluff]

only the darkmoon ones are nerubian (and siphoning stiletto)

i tell lies, other armour types have special armour

[teal pine]

oh ok it does say it on tooltip in game

i was thinking duskthread was nerubian

think i saw someone say you could use the wrist embellishment

with duskthread on like a belt

and get double value

and didnt check if that was right

very good

[silver pier]

Is there any word/hope for them to make Mountain Thane more viable in M+ and raid? (Hi I'm new here)

[compact reef]

What is the Best spec atm for mass aoe in general? Mages?

[keen kite]

I feel like war or destro lock from my own anecdotal experiences.

[hard widget]

Mountain thane needs Thor himself to come to the Blizzard HQ and it’ll probably still be worse

[hard widget]

Heavily depends on what setting and keylevel

[compact reef]

Fury? Do we have burst but if the pack Last enough?

[hard widget]

If ur talking MDI, its usually destro locks, unholy dks etc

[keen kite]

Warrior probably has the highest peak burst aoe with cds popped bladestorm but it’s only on those windows. Def not the highest sustained.

[hard widget]

I dont think we’re top peak burst dps either

[compact reef]

How about enh shaman?

[hard widget]

What is the real question tho, because comparing every spec to see what does more dmg is gonna be a lengthy discussion xd

Are u looking for an alt? Or another class to play keys on the side

[sudden tusk]

Frost dk is kinda cracked ngl

[compact reef]

This.. I want something fun with good mass aoe and st for m+

[sudden tusk]

but that spec is going to get shoved in a locker after RWF

or it should

[hard widget]

@young swan ^

[hard widget]

Then probably dk is a good choice to be honest

[compact reef]

I like being good on big aoe but also shine on bosses

[olive wraith]

Usually if you’re good at one you’re less good at the other

[teal pine]

fdk is basically the same as fury in that their aoe and st builds are the exact same

[compact reef]

Sucks that mm hunter Isnt in a good spot.. They are fun and easy to play

[silver pier]

I only play warrior as an alt, but I hope the warrior community is vocal about how lame it is that Mountain Thane isn't viable. They may as well have just made 1 hero spec for each spec if this result is okay with them.

[olive wraith]

I mean viable is a broad term

[hard widget]

I’ve heard good thing about unholy as well

They seem to do really good dps in keys even sustained

[summer quail]

unholy is underrated forreal

[compact reef]

Uh is always nice

Amazing aoe, good st and tanky as rock

[hard widget]

Played with an unholy the other day and he was popping off

[tidal kindle]

Not peak burst

Just fastest burst

2 gcd

[covert blaze]

Unholy is really fun on big pulls if stuff lives long enough

[tidal kindle]

3 if you count natty OF cast

[sullen dove]

enhance still needs some kneecaps busted

[tidal kindle]

But everything usually dead with

trinket + reck + ava ava proc OF) + roar
BS

In raid

[hard widget]

They’d be amazing for Rashanan! Oh wait

[eager thorn]

Why would aoe abils be amazing for st fight

[tidal kindle]

That's an ST boss brother

[hard widget]

Haha

[eager thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-despair-xqcdespair-voidge-troll-gif-24691555

[hard widget]

Did u see btw garms, i was salty

I went full st

For heroic, and they still didnt fix the logs

[covert blaze]

It's gonna be retroactively fixed no?

Or am I mistaken

[dapper goblet]

shut pig mouth pig

[eager thorn]

Its retroactively dogshit

[hard widget]

They didnt even know it wasnt working properly 💀

[tidal kindle]

I got a 98 aoeing

Git gud i guess

[covert blaze]

nerf whichever spec xeos plays any given patch

[hard widget]

I got 97 for boss rank 12 st 💀

[honest sundial]

Whirlwind funnel

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[tidal kindle]

@dapper goblet were you in OG Lethal-Turalyon

[dapper goblet]

guild was never on turalyon

was lonely island on thunderhorn then name changed to lethal some point in soo

[sudden tusk]

xeos wants fury nerfed further

woe upon him

[dapper goblet]

fury deserves the nerfs

cringe snipe spec

widow maker pov

[covert blaze]

voodoo even

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-witch-doctor-mano-tiki-tia-gif-15319797

[sullen dove]

too strong

nerf immediately

[sudden tusk]

greg is a different breed man

[dapper goblet]

fake + aug + pi + didnt ask

[sudden tusk]

that guy does 15% more dam on enhance

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-witch-doctor-mano-tiki-tia-gif-15319797

[tidal kindle]

Yah thunderhorn

Same thing

[dapper goblet]

just isnt same thing

[sullen dove]

1.8mil

not 100

[dapper goblet]

put some respect on thorn

[sullen dove]

yep

makes sense

[tidal kindle]

Starts with t ends with n

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-15559601663074157456

[tidal kindle]

[covert blaze]

Bro what

That's illegal

[tidal kindle]

That guild was sick

Big respect

[dapper goblet]

no damage group

[tidal kindle]

Miss dusterz

[dapper goblet]

why you ask charmander man

tru

[tidal kindle]

Or w.e his name was

[dapper goblet]

dusty best l4d player i know

pretty sure he still plays

in nascent

[tidal kindle]

That guy taught me so much

Though doubt he remember me

[tidal kindle]

O shit

[tidal kindle]

[lean wasp]

Did they buff our ST yet ?

[humble plover]

yea

50% buff

but only to auto attacks

[lean wasp]

I'll take that for now

[tulip swallow]

auto attacks and slayer strikes are basically the only things they can tune without buffing aoe

[humble plover]

syke they aint do shit, get nerfed again

they can stop forgetting meat cleaver is a thing and change that

but you know, dev would have to know the spec and they dont

[burnt niche]

for m+, darkness weap ench is good? or the shiny one

[dense elbow]

Can't say we need a ST buff atm tho, we are lower end of mid
Looking at princess

[lean wasp]

Wait there are other enchant than the depth one

[burnt niche]

yep str pop up and dmg

[humble plover]

depth is the dark one i assume

[hard widget]

Next patch we just need to collectively grief heroic week so this doesnt happen agaib

[lean wasp]

Wait wasnt critcake i think looking at damage to bosses and we were 2nd to last after aug

[humble plover]

im down

[brisk cargo]

i made an axe instead of a sword

but everyone is using a sword

[brisk cargo]

did i fuck up?

[humble plover]

no

[lean wasp]

Nop

[dense elbow]

If i had to guess, all bosses, when we don't use CDs on bosses but trash line ups.
So we look a lot worse than we are

[honest sundial]

We should just slam slam on every fight

[lean wasp]

Shhh we are 2nd to last

[dense elbow]

If you say so

[lean wasp]

More buffs

[dense elbow]

[hard widget]

Just have every guide website in maintenance during heroic week

Easy solve

Private logs

[heavy flax]

not a lot of data but at least on mythic sikran we are at the bottom below aug

[hard widget]

And logout in smf talents

[lean wasp]

We should try to get wowhead to talk about how bad and overrated fury is

[dense elbow]

That would help

[tulip swallow]

Design damage windows to line up with our exact damage profile while simultaneously running like 3 1.5 minute mastery trinkets in the pool

[humble plover]

all the haters hate seeing us successful

[versed frost]

we bring 0 utility, we should be the top dps tbh

[hard widget]

What exactly are we succeeding at?

[humble plover]

nothing now

[dense elbow]

Add dam

[lean wasp]

Ok whose a nerd and can tell me if the double emblish thing takes ilvl into consideration or not

[tidal kindle]

Youd have to get the entire warrior base to spoof blizz metrics

Their internal data is separate from wcl

[humble plover]

my details name gonna be 10 15 and 3 all patch

[tidal kindle]

Good luck

[humble plover]

maybe swap it to 10 15 3 and soft cap

[hard widget]

Seems like a fun challenge xd

[tidal kindle]

Warrior base just eats it

Wizard base on the other hand

[tulip swallow]

We can't all be ranged specs with permanent mobility

[lean wasp]

Anyone? Please

[dense elbow]

Meanwhile, Fury burst enjoyers:

[versed frost]

true, everytime they nerf my warrior I just click my buttons harder to compensate

[hard widget]

New keyboard every week angle at this point

[clever path]

ive clicked myself to carpal tunnel

am i doing it right

[humble plover]

garms go get blizzard job, drink milk, harass coworkers, cubic crawl, become warr dev. we believe in u

[dense elbow]

You are... Clicking

[versed frost]

funny you say that, I did replace my key caps recently on my keyboard lol

[humble plover]

yes

[clever path]

play warrior with 50% haste under lust

difficulty: Carpal tunnel

[lean wasp]

I remember s3 fury where i mash buttons for 2 minutes and then look at meters i see nothing

[tulip swallow]

50% haste, 120 ping, 20fps challenge

[olive wraith]

Were you playing right?

[humble plover]

actually just embrace slam only rotation

[hard widget]

Trust me the nostalgia will return soon enough

Atleast in S3 we did good st dmg

[lean wasp]

Yes, you can never play fury wrong, at least the rotation

[hard widget]

Now we’re getting fucked on both ends again

[tulip swallow]

I wonder if the target cap nerf makes OF worse than it was in dragonflight

that's kind of a sad thought

[humble plover]

im a fan of playing out of my mind and scrolling down to find me on the meter

[olive wraith]

Well that’s really wrong

[humble plover]

[dense elbow]

S3 Fury in TWW will revert all the nerfs we gotten since beta. The burst will be glorious

[lean wasp]

Ok not never but its hard to f it

[olive wraith]

It was easy to f it in s3

[lean wasp]

You're talking about the crit bt thing

[olive wraith]

Bunch of people would rampage as soon as they could

[lean wasp]

I just hear cat meow i press bt

[hard widget]

Rage pooling zZzZ

[olive wraith]

That’s s2/4

[lean wasp]

Ok one of us is lost here

[hard widget]

Season 2/4 was the crit on bloodthirst

Season 3 was annihilator gaming

[dense elbow]

S1 was...

[lean wasp]

Oh yeah then i was talking about s4

[dense elbow]

A thing

[olive wraith]

S1/2/4 was am

[lean wasp]

S3 was great

Just 2 buttons

[hard widget]

Well lets not over exadurate now

[olive wraith]

Oh boy this again

[dense elbow]

S3 was great: big burst

[olive wraith]

If you only pressed 2 buttons the entire dungeon no wonder your damage was bad

[humble plover]

i fuk with current fury, the damage just aint right and thats a blizz L

[lean wasp]

Didn't we just rampage bp

There was some slams but yeah mainly rampage bp

[hard widget]

There was slam in every set

You’d always press 4 buttons per rotation type of deal pretty much

Due to how annihilator worked

Otherwise u would run out of buttons

[lean wasp]

I dont count ww and slam thats 2 now ?

[hard widget]

U used those 2 very often tho

[lean wasp]

Slam doesn't exist for me and duh we press ww

Ok it was a very simple rotation and we stacked vers and alot of self heal it was great

Who crafted 2nd emblish?

[versed frost]

people put slam on their bars?

[lean wasp]

Not anymore

[restive glen]

i used to then realized my sims never used it

[lean wasp]

As soon as that season ended i threw it in the garbage

I would rather pick my nose if i had nothing to press

[dense elbow]

I got slam macro'd to my ST fillerspell

If i dont got mc, it casts slam instead

[eager thorn]

I just ww in st

Fk slam

[dense elbow]

But slam do more damaguuh

[eager thorn]

I make up for the difference by storm bolting in bladestorm dw

[lean wasp]

Lol

[eager thorn]

Its no laughing matter NoobMaster69

[dense elbow]

Why not both? And heroic throw when you run out

[eager thorn]

I do heroic throw when i run out

[lean wasp]

Oh i do enjoy pressing heroic throw

[eager thorn]

Fun ability

[lean wasp]

I feel like a pro warrior

[dense elbow]

It is one of life small pleasures

[hard widget]

I always heroic throw or stormbolt if im out of range, looking at logs its so pointless

But damn it feels good

[lean wasp]

And heroic leaping just to move 2 steps out of the aoe just hits different

[eager thorn]

Ignore the logs

[hard widget]

And the best part is, if you have a good log, someone will start doing the same

[versed frost]

boss flies up > storm bolt

[eager thorn]

Dopamine meter matters more than damage meter for these things

[hard widget]

Because they will copy it

[final thistle]

is odyns fury bugged? anytime i have a prot war tank i will wait a solid 3-5 seconds, and insta rip threat when i press it

or are prot wars just dogshit? i dont get it lol, its with every single one. They are geared too, i really dont understand.

[olive wraith]

We burst brother

[final thistle]

yea but dude i literally wait 5 seconds

what more am i supposed to do lol

and its specifically w prot wars

[modest condor]

more like the pug tanks you're playing with are bad

[hybrid terrace]

Same Problem whit my gildmate today haha but he is like 617 blood dk haha

[uneven grotto]

@fickle bluff ty ❤️

[modest condor]

it's usually pretty obvious that pug dps are bad because they do bad dps

but the average pug tank is just as bad

[final thistle]

like fuck me, ill just castrate myself so we can maybe kill a pack without a death?

[cerulean patio]

does the spelll queue window affect fury?

[wooden tide]

How are you guys simming aoe raid fights or m+? I’m getting some wild results with shadow-binding ritual knife.

[lean wasp]

How much haste do you guys think one needs to make BS look like a WW that just goes boom

Or at least used to go boom

[modest condor]

well let's see

base duration is 4 seconds, let's assume a whirlwind animation takes about half a second

[lean wasp]

Let him cook

[modest condor]

need to find x in 4/(1+x)=0.5

7

so 700% haste

[eager thorn]

Its after the +

[lean wasp]

Ok we aren't getting there

[modest condor]

[orchid dagger]

So old Timewalking gear before they nuked it

[modest condor]

i think the highest ive had was something around 350%

[tidal kindle]

You've tested roar dot v target cap/split right

?

[modest condor]

no

[tidal kindle]

O

[lean wasp]

Anyone has that info ?

[brisk cargo]

I made a two handed axe instead of sword for fury. Everyone is using the sword. Did I fuck up?

[modest condor]

no

[lean wasp]

Its just a matter of cost

Which is cheaper

[sudden tusk]

does target cap split only the application damage or does it split the dot dam too

[tidal kindle]

For of it's both

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-gif-24981088

[tidal kindle]

Roar i believe just initial

[olive wraith]

I like the sword mog better

[tidal kindle]

My big worry is that the .5 patch target cap change applies the PF code to roar

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-gif-2620664710855382877

[silk wharf]

The polearm is objectively the cheapest.

[tidal kindle]

And also booms the dot

[olive wraith]

And the ugliest

[tidal kindle]

Wanna test rq?

[silk wharf]

One of the 2h crafts requires a bunch of the sanctified metal and 12 of the alloys instead of 2

[lean wasp]

I hope that nerf never goes through

[sick viper]

yo should I take treacherous transmitter or the rare sikran neck from vault both heroic ilvl

[silk wharf]

neck imo. everyones fighting for that

[sick viper]

kk

[silk wharf]

Thats just my opinion though

[olive wraith]

Rare drops are usually the choice ye

[lean wasp]

You still sitting on vault

Is the neck that good ?

[silk wharf]

its just a free proc

With full stats

[lean wasp]

But transmitter go boom

[silk wharf]

So its, what, 500 vers better than every other neck

[lean wasp]

You eventually will get the transmitter tho

[chilly zodiac]

I mean there’s not a chance that it’s going to get pulled right?

[lean wasp]

Definitely zero chance if we go full ret mode on the forums and pay someone at wowhead

[stiff kiln]

Can I just macro Skarmorak Shard into Avatar and call it good?

[lean wasp]

Yes

[stiff kiln]

ty

[errant gulch]

How much dps are yall pulling on sucessful zek kills?

[lean wasp]

Haven't even tried ?? Yet

Might give it a go when i wake up

[errant gulch]

I got him to 1% the first night when the spell reflect bounced the 30m fear

[lean wasp]

Please tell me all you have to deal with is the spiders

[errant gulch]

lolololol

no

[lean wasp]

Oh i heard about that how exactly do you pull it off

[errant gulch]

In phase 2 you could reflect his AOE fear and it would bounce the 30m damage back to him

they fixed it

His ?? difficulty has a phase 2 where he gets corrupted by xal

and all his abilities get beefier

[lean wasp]

So its still the spiders

Beefier means more damage and maybe faster which is not that bad considering you can just dodge or ignore most of them

[coarse moon]

does embellish rank matter from a dps perspective or just crafting

[lean wasp]

As far as i know the numbers does differ for something like ascension

But i dont think it works on the double emblish armor thing

Cause as the text says " double the effect" but i dont trust blizzard

[thick fossil]

Rank of embellishment just makes it easier to craft at higher ilvl.

It's not like enchants or potions where everything has three tiers. (Still think that was a dumb idea.)

[heady cobalt]

Does anyone know if the sims take in account with the Treacherous Transmitter that you loose up time with the task?

[clever path]

my guess is no, which is why most call it sim bait

[summer quail]

Never heard someone call it simbait

[heady cobalt]

that's my thought, after messing with it at the training dummies' for a few.

[clever path]

not in this cord at least

but in other class cords people call it sim bait, but doesnt mean its bad

i personally dont like it cause its awkward to use mid fight

[summer quail]

You can game the spawn locations for uptime

[radiant sentinel]

i've got two 603 one handers, and my two handers are both like 564... should i just spec into single minded fury until I get better two handers?

[errant gulch]

sure if you wanna fail at the fundamental warrior class fantasy of BEEG WEAPON

Outlaw rogue-ass player

[radiant sentinel]

i just want to temporarily do better damage haha

[sullen nexus]

it's fine but the other warriors are gonna pick on you

[radiant sentinel]

have had awful luck with 2h

ill tell my dad

[silk wharf]

I believe someone in the know said the sim allots 5 seconds to complete the task.

[sullen nexus]

set your loot spec to arms btw to avoid one-handers, rather than fury

[pale sable]

Is your loot spec set to fury or arms? u should set it to arms in order to loot only 2h

[radiant sentinel]

that's a good idea...

im so dumb

[wicked dew]

my weapon just broke in the middle of last boss in SV

thank god I bought auto hammers

[olive wraith]

This is why we repair before starting

[trail tendon]

anyone else still dooming over fury

or is it just me

[summer quail]

I'll start when 11.05 gets closer

[wicked dew]

several wipes

[olive wraith]

You still timing that?

[wicked dew]

somehow

it was a 9 not a 10 so we good

also the tank didn't want to clear the packs to get the Vers buff which is cringe

and then instead pulled the double Forge Loaders which is also cringe

[olive wraith]

How many wipes y’all had that broke your gear

[zenith tundra]

just picked up befoulers syringe, it looks like a good champ track 2 hand but no second stat?

[final thistle]

am i blind? trying to find best sim settings for m+ for fury war anyone know best way to sim for it?

ik dungeon slice is weird and is a class by class thing

[spare steppe]

I normally do a 5 target 2m sim

[spare steppe]

Great ST damage, struggles in aoe

[quartz tulip]

611 fdk 605 ret and a 615 monk and myself tanking my first ever key which happens to be a +7 NW

[trail tendon]

lowkey i might just go ret now LMAO

[upbeat sentinel]

Do we have data on # of M+ run this season yet?

[chrome ether]

is the darkmoon sigil ascension embellishment useless if you mainly do M+?

[dry halo]

its still free dmg tho, but some guys here have more success in M+ with blessed weapon grip etc

cause uptime

[chrome ether]

i saw on archon.gg ascension/banding is most common, but thats on 10+ keys, which i doubt ill push into. Would double duskthread be good? Or one dusk and grip?

[sinful spoke]

its most common cause most pople pushing high keys also raid

[chrome ether]

ah that makes sense. Im about to craft my 619 weap and just not sure if i should put ascension on it or not. And if not, then maybe grip and a duskthread on something later?

[sinful spoke]

u can always just change the embelishment

🤷‍♂️

[buoyant salmon]

yeah as cheche said most high m+ers raid

also weapon is best early craft

so crafting embelly with it just makes sense

as you can remove itlater

[chrome ether]

I guess ill throw a grip on there then. Is double duskthread not better?

[buoyant salmon]

it depends

duskthread definitely better for aoe or in situations you consistently drop ascendance

but ascendance is very good for bosses

and if youre keeping in combat well

if all you do is pug/do lower keys duskthread is safer

more consistent

[chrome ether]

id like to push into at least 7s, i didnt know you could remove/change embels though so maybe im overthinking it lol

[pearl sequoia]

yea just requires u to craft a whole new item

[wet river]

is there anyway to have ragingblow and bloodthirst change icons when they empowered like in other xpacs

[chrome ether]

OH, lol well then...

[pearl sequoia]

They alrready change?

[wet river]

Mine dont when I pop recklessness

I'm running abandon as well

[pearl sequoia]

When you rampage they change right

[wet river]

Nope they never change

it's pissing me off

[pearl sequoia]

Uh weird, i use elvui and its always worked

[wet river]

i'm using straight up Blizzard UI too

[fluid cedar]

surely sikran neck is bis ? or am i delusional in thinking it beats the raw haste/mastery of sv neck

[pearl sequoia]

I'd assume archi simmed all possible gear combinations and the wowhead guide is simmed bis

so i guess haste mast neck

[fluid cedar]

im wondering does the API or w/e calculate the proc from sikran neck, and if so what would the uptime be?

even if it were high uptime, would it be worth... hmm..

[pearl sequoia]

more vers isnt like a huge buff is it

[fluid cedar]

according to revvez guide sikran neck is bis

its still decent value, mastery is generally our highest priority but i believe it will suffer from DR the higher our secondaries get

[gilded pawn]

more stats>better stats

[pearl sequoia]

i guess sikran neck also helps the healers to, so more raid benefit

[sinful spoke]

Wdym

Like when bloodbath and crushing blow?

[wet river]

yeah

[fluid cedar]

they should do that naturally

[sinful spoke]

It does that ton its own

[wet river]

it used to do it for me now it hasn't all expac

[sinful spoke]

Are u talented into reckless abandon

[fluid cedar]

are you spec'd into RA

[wet river]

yup

[sinful spoke]

It empowers after u rampage

[wet river]

$

here I am with reck up and they look the same

[daring hare]

Is it worth it for us to use that culminating blasphemite rune?

[sinful spoke]

Its not reck

Its rampage that empowers it

[sinful spoke]

The embellishment?

[daring hare]

no the epic gem

[wet river]

ahhhH!

[daring hare]

that gives crit dmg

[wet river]

sorry I get it now.

[sinful spoke]

What rune

[daring hare]

or "critical effect", whatever that mans

[sinful spoke]

Im confused

Do u mean the gem?

[daring hare]

culminating blasphemite

[sinful spoke]

The epic gem?

[daring hare]

yes the gem

[sinful spoke]

Yes ofc its our bis

[daring hare]

so you have to use, all 3 of the different runes right

[sinful spoke]

It gives main stat plus critical effect per gem

[daring hare]

to get the best usage out of it

[sinful spoke]

No

U use one

[daring hare]

it says "per unique gem color"

[pearl sequoia]

i use it but it simmed just all mastery hate gems instead of different colorrs

[daring hare]

would that not mean using the 3 different colours?

weird

must not be working as its worded

[pearl sequoia]

idk, follow robot, nod head

[daring hare]

lol yah

[chrome ether]

how is ascension embellishment uptime calculated in raidbots? i only see a setting for duskthread, is it just baked in when you sim an item with it?

[grave lark]

for treacherous transmitter, do we use it with cds or before cds?

[sinful spoke]

Using it without cds doesnt seem that smart

Same as every other trinket that gives stats

[grave lark]

how quickly do you get the stats from it

better wording of the question I guess- do you get the stats THEN use cds?

[sinful spoke]

As soon as u complete the task

[buoyant salmon]

of course its bis lol

[sinful spoke]

Well for me i press it like 10 s before pull

Complete the task when pull timer os at 1

And then pop cds and slap boss

[pearl sequoia]

hows it feel mid fight

[sinful spoke]

Eh it gets easier completing the task as u use it more

[daring hare]

the ball is the most annoying tbh during bosses

impossible to see

[bleak isle]

does anyone have a bis gear list?

[sinful spoke]

Sometimes u get unlucky like me on sikran and the ball flies off map

[buoyant salmon]

it spawns to your front right every time

[sinful spoke]

Wowheaf

[sinful spoke]

This is also true

The pad and ball are always on the right

[pearl sequoia]

oh sikran neck is haste mastery, thought it was vers crit for some reason

yea noice neck

[chrome ether]

how hard is it to maintain the ascension embellishment uptime in M+? like +4-8 keys

[ruby comet]

probably a stupid question, but I'm 603 with a 613 MH and 558 OH (MH only counts for Ilvl), is that green OH going to tank my DPS enough to where I should just play Arms in raid, or is it negligible?

[dry hawk]

Both weapons count towards ilvl tho?

[pearl sequoia]

Well you would have to be chain pulling a lot, i found it worked real well in stonnevault working your way down each hallway

In general pugs you probably wont be chain pulling though

and since the way ascension works it can fall off 1 second after leaving combat

[ruby comet]

I had the same ilvl as both arms and fury, figured that meant it only counts 1 weapon since Arms cant use both

[chrome ether]

Im just torn between ascension and grip on my weap for M+, decisions decisions...

[hollow geyser]

Are we supposed to craft our omen weapon with vers/mast like wowhead says or haste/mastery?

[misty sparrow]

Are there any routs for m+ where it is explained where I should use my cds? I am doing pretty good dps single target, but my overall is very bad.. I am thinking that maybe something is wrong with my aoe rotation- how to do it correctly? Can You guys please answer me those 2 questions

[warm raven]

Archon.gg

[wicked dew]

For the most part, you just send CDs when they are available. There are exceptions of course, but you generally don't want to sit on your CDs for longer than like 10% of their original cooldowns

[pearl sequoia]

well in the end game u wont be using a crafted weapon for M+, only ascension for raiding, since double thread can only go on armor

So for now just do ascension so you will be strong in raid

[chrome ether]

I dont raid much tbh, but after this most recent target cap aoe nerf, wouldnt ascension be good to have even in m+ for boss damage?

[wicked dew]

that nerf hasn't gone through yet, just as an fyi

[chrome ether]

right, but soon lol they just cant leave us alone 😦

[misty sparrow]

Thank You

[wicked dew]

I have copium we will be receiving some sort of consistent damage buffs as compensation

[chrome ether]

/pray

[bleak fox]

nah, if we ever get this close to ret in aoe ever again, blizzard will once again, turbo nerf us to the ground

[brazen estuary]

do we just spam execute on cd? it says use with 3 marks and then later just with 1 mark?

[eager thorn]

no

the priority for execute just goes up if you have 3 stacks of marked for execution

exe damage kinda fkin sucks

[brazen estuary]

so ONLY use with 3 marks thats it?

[eager thorn]

no

with 3 stacks its just higher priority meaning theres a good reason to press it

but its p much just filler abil if not looking at stacks

[brazen estuary]

ok thx bruh

thats how i used it but then i got confused

[eager thorn]

all good, best thing to do is ask

[brazen estuary]

and finally my ara kara trinket dropped, although its a M0 version!

[runic violet]

holy fucking low M+ alt hell

[hallow jetty]

does anyone know whats causes this? ><

[errant vessel]

It’s also highest priority if Ashen Juggernaut stacks are about to fall off

[inner harbor]

no idea, hope that helps

[golden hare]

this one

[cedar depot]

just get these two addons and ignore it

[hallow jetty]

thnx ill give it a try!

[cedar depot]

one thing though, the bug addon has a voice thing whenever a lua error occurs that says 'fatality', you can just turnoff the sound in the addon options

[elder vessel]

Yeah I have been hearing out my alt and I basically don’t bother with low keys unless my friends are on to help

This new mythic plus squish is terrible for solo queue stuff

There’s not enough levels to properly spread out the different skill brackets

Even in 2s you just deplete keys sometimes

[heavy galleon]

M+ 2 - 9 should be available on matchmaking

[misty salmon]

is there an item to add sockets to helmets?

[velvet bluff]

is there a WA for this

[cyan turtle]

The vault socket no?

[golden hare]

just the token thing from vault afaik

[misty salmon]

ahhh true

thanks

[cyan turtle]

It might be a socket week for me.. still havent checked vault been busy

But iirc i got pretty ass m+ and just normal raid

[acoustic anchor]

Should I be casting shockwave on as much as possible or only when I see mobs are casting something? I'm primarily doing the former atm

[golden hare]

use it to stop casts and stuff

[jovial coral]

nah

this aint pvp

[bitter palm]

using it on cd will just dr the mobs

so when u have to stop them u wont be able to

[quick zodiac]

I use it as a interuppt the stun is kinda ass

Don't wanna fuck up with shaman monks stuns etc

[spiral gyro]

When I craft the charged claymore and give someone only t3 mats except for the Charged Alloy which is T1.. Will the Claymore still be T3 or will it become the lowest quality?

[crisp prism]

you should be able to see what quality you are crafting

[pearl sequoia]

Depends on the crafters skill, but i can tell u it wont be R5

R3 mats are important, you can get away with R2 missives and stuff with some concentration

[hollow shell]

God I hate this new crafting system they started using in DF lol

[spiral gyro]

I think the crafter is only able to craft the recipe for the t2 weapon.
Does it matter as long as I have t3 mats?

Will he only be using more Concentration?

[pearl sequoia]

The weapon can have a quality up to 5, the materials up to 3

[crisp prism]

i was hoping for the system to get scrapped tbh

[pearl sequoia]

You wwill have to give R3 mats, and you can use lower rank missves etc depneding on his skill

[crisp prism]

but tww version is a bit better then df

[pearl sequoia]

(If you want R5 weapon)

[hollow shell]

it should be tbh, the old system of just get the mats and make the item was so much simpler and easier and did not take near as much time to do

[pearl sequoia]

Nah i like this new system, its a time investment to get going but a lot more interesting i think

[crisp prism]

Also another reason i dont like it is 1 mistake punishes you heavily

no respecing option even with heavy costs

fixing a mistake in the tree takes like 3 weeks

[pearl sequoia]

well its not really a mistake

unless you point points into 1 of everything

then yea thats fucked up

[cyan turtle]

guys u know the mistveil defender in mists? they do a charge, can u dodge that or is it a targeted spell

[crisp prism]

doesn't it target range

i never got that and i did high number of keys

[spiral gyro]

Okay so is it dependent of how much points a smith put into the specilization or how high is overall smithing lvl is?

[cyan turtle]

its not for me the question is made for

like dps in general

can they dodge it

[spiral gyro]

im new to the system, sorry for the nooby questions

[crisp prism]

prob not , my hunter premade was really mad about that new ability

[cyan turtle]

:hmm dats annoying, oh well then the death is justified i gues

[pearl sequoia]

Both, you can assume he has 100 smithing skill baseline, then he would put points into long blades to increase his skill on top of the baseline (when crafting swords)

I'd just watch a video of someone explaining it, get all the information compiled

[spiral gyro]

Yeah, altough you helped me A LOT already 🙂

Thanks for that mate!

So a unexperienced Smith is able to craft the weapon on t5, yeah? Given he got t3 mats for it

For example he only got 5/25 points in longswords, will he be able to?

[pearl sequoia]

Probably not, if he doesnt have 100 skill in smithing then you can assume he doesnt have artisan profession equipment to boost the skill as well

I dont know really EXACTLY what you need, theres a whole addon for this which i dont even have cuz i cba (CraftSim)

[lavish breach]

this looks wrong for +6 ara overall right ?

[spiral gyro]

oh there is a addon?

You know the name?

[pearl sequoia]

CraftSim

[spiral gyro]

Ah nice man, thanks! I'll have a look

What Stats do we want on the weapon?

[pearl sequoia]

mastery vers

[bitter palm]

me when i spread misinformation on the internet

[bitter palm]

sim it

haste mastery is the safest

both arms nad fury like those stats

[pearl sequoia]

yea but nobody plays arms

those guys suck

[bitter palm]

[red quiver]

RNG wants me to be fury, I got two fancy two handers to swing. 😄 Maybe I ought to try it out, I usually go prot.

[eternal sundial]

Fancy doesnt beat crafted

[flat river]

I play M+ mainly, do i still craft weapon in 2 weeks when i get the last spark i need for weapon?

[wicked moat]

no

it's a scammy scam

[flat river]

I mean i have 2 hero track weapons

[flat river]

No

Im a BS

Maxed out

[wicked moat]

I can craft any sword now with 2r ironclaw or charged alloy, r2 embelishment and will be able to do it with r2 missive

and I'm not maxed

[flat river]

You need to craft all PURPLE weapons with r3 mats

[wicked moat]

why

[flat river]

Because if not u will have to use concentration

[pearl sequoia]

are you telling me you can craft 636 charged claymore with all rank 2 mats

lololol

[wicked moat]

no, rank 3 sanctified

and weapon wrap or whatever its called

[flat river]

And you regenerate 10 concentration per hour

[wicked moat]

so?

You can still craft it

[flat river]

Bro this guy 💀

[pearl sequoia]

yea but in the context of getting someone else to craft it for you, they wont be using ALL their conc

[flat river]

Yeah exactly

[pearl sequoia]

"scam! he didnt use 1000 conc!"

[flat river]

Without atleast charging you 50k

[wicked moat]

Leveling bs on an alt and crafting a weapon for yourself with 2r alloy and embelishment is already net neutral in gold
\

[flat river]

Maybe 40k if he's nice

[flat river]

Ok? Do that

[wicked moat]

well when I was searching for a craft on tarren mill the best deal I found is all r3 mats and 30k fee

[wicked moat]

I did

[flat river]

He's scamming you

[wicked moat]

exactly what I'm talking about

[pearl sequoia]

yea mega scam, most ive done for someone is 15k for glaives

[flat river]

I charge guaranteed with t3 mats for 8k if it's 606 ilvl, 10k if 619 ilvl, 12k if its 636 ilvl

And i give discounts if they craft multiple things

[pearl sequoia]

my servers so saturated with blacksmiths its funny, send a trade chat whisper LFC and u get 10 back

its to the point "send to me, tip whatever"

[flat river]

I think in every server

It's the most lucrative

Every class uses the weapons from BS

[pearl sequoia]

Yea

enchanting to

[flat river]

And JC too

[light quartz]

am at 33% haste, am i good to drop a lil bit? lol

[flat river]

Sim yo self

But like

[pearl sequoia]

33 very high

[flat river]

Also depends

Yeah depends on your mastery

How much mastery do u have?

[eternal sundial]

I mean if they get resourcefulnes they make big bank

Fee doesnt rlly matter

[light quartz]

yeah it's extremely low am i'm really unhappy with the amount of it atm for my ilvl being 610

[flat river]

Cause i have 36% mastery and 22% haste

[light quartz]

27% mastery T-T

[pearl sequoia]

Yea exactly, made my hammer for resourcefulness for that exact reason

[flat river]

Yeah u need to get better gear

[eternal sundial]

The scammer Hammer raahhhh

[light quartz]

haste>vers 2h trading into vers>crit

probably better overall. sims says its better just wanted to be sure

[flat river]

I actually am thinking of maxing resourcefulness so i can get free alloys to sell on the AH for 7k each :3

[bitter palm]

up the price a bit

[pearl sequoia]

Yup its good

[bitter palm]

7k too little

[flat river]

Thats the AH price

[bitter palm]

i love crafting a weapon on my alt and main

for 150k

[pearl sequoia]

EU pricing..

not enough gold sellers

[red glen]

Ideal stats ?😁😇

[flat river]

If u on silvermoon EU, give me a wisper ill craft it for you for free

Just say in the wisper "i can't read" and I'll know it's you

[flat river]

Haste/mastery

Safest option

But sim aswell

I think i made a total of about 800k gold

But patrons and enchants have me stuck at 250k

XD

And my friends who leech off me

I mean i leached first ngl

They had a lot of gold in DF

I wasted like 600k to lvl BS

[pearl sequoia]

eat the rich

[flat river]

"wasted"

[flat river]

Real

Currently leveling armorsmithing

Ill specialize in wrists first

[wicked moat]

in previous expansion early gold making was so easy and now it's a clunky mess

[flat river]

They changed inspiration what can you do

[wicked moat]

I had my biggest success in tww spending 2 days to sell green prof equipment on 3 servers

[flat river]

Removed*

[wicked moat]

got like umm 2.2 mil?

nah I'm mostly talking about making darkmoon decks

[flat river]

Weird flex but ok

[wicked moat]

goldcap a day keeps gold buying at bay

[flat river]

Rn im mostly getting my gold from mythic+ boosting

And at night when im bored i queue solo shuffle and advertise my services

I still have veteran trinkets

[pearl sequoia]

noob

[flat river]

I got hero trinket from delve but it lowkey sucks

[warm crag]

noob

[flat river]

I died each time i used it

It gives me half the stats of tempered potion for 30 seconds

2:30 min cd

BUT

[warm crag]

Is it kiss of death

[flat river]

I need to jump before the duration ends

Or i get stunned for 5 seconds

[wicked moat]

its dispellable

[flat river]

And I can't even remove the stun with human racial

[wicked moat]

I used it on a tank got stunned every time

[flat river]

It is but

My healer friend told me each dungeon i have to trade him 50k before we start so he would dispell me

[pearl sequoia]

so what u do is start the key and hearth out

then get new friends

[flat river]

They are my only friends

Or i could make a weakaura

But idk how to make one

So i keep staring at my buffa

Buffs*

Actually avatar is 20 seconds right?

I use it before my combo

So after avatar ends i can jump

If i remember

XD

[pearl sequoia]

cant u just spam jump your whwole rotation

[flat river]

No if u use jump once

It's removed

Its like

You have a needle on your feet

And when u jump the antidote is released

Cause u step on the needle

[final sorrel]

Just get the spell ID of the buff and track the aura, it should be really simple

[gloomy loom]

guys what is better authority of the deeps or radiant on weapons?

[fallen ginkgo]

[rocky kernel]

When i'm rotating between raging, bloodbath and rampage, do I want to be hitting raging multiple times before i'm rotating through bloodbath/rampage? for the bloodcraze+slaughtering strikes stacks

[flat river]

This is the trinket

[final sorrel]

Looks like someone already has an aura for it listed

https://wago.io/AuAPm4HrQ

[flat river]

I see

[pearl sequoia]

you didnt search for a WA before?

[flat river]

Nope

Just winged it

Wung it

Idk what is the past tense of wing it

XD

[rocky kernel]

winged maybe? x)

[flat river]

I mean its not bad

You get it every burst give or take?

The fact I can't remove it with human racial is stupid though

[gloomy loom]

idk how to sim, never simmed once in all my career :\

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/hoodie-sniff-dog-gif-26045587

[bitter palm]

plenty of guides on youtube

[flat river]

Change my mind, but slayer should've been named blademaster

And it gives you mirror image

And they all bladestorm when you bladestorm >:D

[acoustic anchor]

Slayer shoulda been Bannerlord, giving warrior banners to increase party stats or smth

Slayer on its own is pretty bland imo

Sometimes you twirl around like a ballerina and sometimes you cut your target for more execute damage

[chrome summit]

do u guys play anger management or reckless abandon for m+?

[low folio]

I mean both the hero talents for fury don’t do anything cool visually, slayer makes the spec feel more smooth imo though

[acoustic anchor]

Thats true, does feel smoother

[low folio]

It is easy to look at something like reapers mark on dk with that big sweeping scythe and feel like they coulda done more for other hero talents

[vestal root]

idk man

[fast mural]

5% size

[vestal root]

Thane is badass

[fast mural]

best hero talent

[vestal root]

and colossus has demolish

[flat river]

No thats a new spec

[low folio]

Thank visually isn’t badass

Thane*

[flat river]

The aug spec of warrior

Just place banners

[vestal root]

if you think being Mountain King from wc3 isnt badass you a bitch then

[flat river]

And use shouts

[flat river]

REAL

[acoustic anchor]

Meh 1 banner on a decently sized cooldown shouldnt have to be a new spec

[low folio]

Someone yesterday mentioned thane as a temu version of enhance and it’s pretty accurate

[flat river]

We should have healer warrior

[acoustic anchor]

I just think that passive abilities dont deserve the name "hero talent"

[vestal root]

going Avatar and blasting thunders is PEAK warrior fantasy

[flat river]

We use bandages

[fast mural]

idk whoever thought thunderclap is good for fury is kinda cooked

[flat river]

You take that back

[fast mural]

no

[flat river]

Muradin is a fury warrior

[fast mural]

he is smf

[flat river]

And uses TC

[flat river]

STILL FURY

[fast mural]

he is nerfing himself by 10%

[low folio]

Thane isn’t bad to play as long as they make its numbers good but it’s just slightly more lightning than thunderclap

[flat river]

And so was wrynn

[fast mural]

actually thats kind of lore accurate cause dwarfs are not the brightest

[serene moat]

Thane Fury is too many buttons lighting at the same time.

[real warren]

Fuck that boss GG's

[serene moat]

Did this yesterday too. GG

[clever mural]

What buttons? 🤷‍♀️

[serene moat]

Ramp, BT, TC, exe all highlighting at once while being ragecaped feels strange

[clever mural]

Its like enh trial, fun stuff 👌

Enh but bad 😂

[serene moat]

What is this? Archi drunk?
That's from wowhead fury guide, raid section

[fading sky]

Lol

[trail bane]

LIke other portions of the guide its probably something that has just been there for a long time and has been overlooked during changes.

[fading sky]

Has to be an old guide🤣

[serene moat]

Nerub-ar Palace Raid section has been there for a long time?

I doubt it

[trail bane]

No, but before it was Nerub-ar Palace it was Amirdrassil Dream's Hope, before that it was Abberus, etc.

They dont write a completely new section each tier, they take the old one and change it.

[serene moat]

Can't remember fury ever being ST beast too

Copy paste from arms guide possibly

[trail bane]

DPS on Nymue last tier

I dont think we simmed top 2 in single target, but we were by no means bad at it

(Its an old log, i was 97% log at the time of the kill)

[serene moat]

Our greater strength lies in our ST value?

[trail bane]

No

But in previous tiers it has been a mix of ST and aoe

Not like this tier where its only aoe

And you can interpret what Arch wrote as "You are more valuable as a single target DPS when adds start dying too quick for your aoe to pay off"

Like if there was other classes that did aoe dmg like we do now, and our aoe dmg was more sustain oriented

Which has been true in the past

[serene moat]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#boss=2708

[trail bane]

With arcane mages or demon hunters blowing upp adds before you could even touch them, so speccing into aoe was kinda pointless