#fury

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dry hawk
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Deleting 4k vers into mastery is such a damage boost

eternal sundial
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Bs can also immune/break it

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So can Avatar

sick jungle
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I just OF and BS out of it

spare steppe
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Isn’t our average ST dps right adjacent to Aug?

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Keys yeah I can see our ST being since we lose a lot less going aoe

eternal sundial
dense elbow
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If avg you mean on fights we delete adds, sure

eternal sundial
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When fury is aoeing

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It's a flawed set of data

chrome plover
dense elbow
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If we delete adds, dont expect us to top ST

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That makes no sense

calm quartz
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Im officially an uproar enjoyer

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shits bussin

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fr fr no cap

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on God

sick jungle
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skibidi

calm quartz
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ohio even

quick zodiac
mossy fox
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looks nice but everything is dealing less damage because you didn't 2/2 attt

dense elbow
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Is 50% more TR dam worth the 4.5% overall loss taking it? Probably not.
Bit it is fub

long cedar
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so i spent 100k crafting a wep and now blizzard killed fury xD

clever path
quick zodiac
long cedar
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rip

quick zodiac
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Feel like 3 ilvls could do a lot

narrow narwhal
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The embellishment is strong

quick zodiac
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On a main hand

dense elbow
clever path
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i mean arms bis profile uses ascendancy as well

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so

narrow narwhal
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But you can always sim

chrome plover
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but then the same people link an overall damage to bosses graph to complain about fury

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the most useless data imaginable

dense elbow
calm quartz
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Aura nerf was so not needed

median token
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just watch crit video

calm quartz
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and upcoming target cap nerfs giga cringe

dense elbow
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None of the nerfs were needed

calm quartz
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xdd

long cedar
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1st nerfs were needed

clever path
long cedar
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i was cool with that

chrome plover
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something was needed

dense elbow
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I dont care about add burst in raid

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I really dobt

mossy fox
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burst aoe nerf was needed for sure

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it's oppressive

delicate yacht
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Add 5% damage to rampage crushing blow and blood bath then

calm quartz
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meat cleaver buffs when

dense elbow
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Ye, I simply dont care. If blizz designed the encounter for us to shine. Then let us shine

calm quartz
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jk fuck meat cleaver

restive granite
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Cant believe theres people from other classes going into the warrior forums and posting shit like "Warior is fine with the nerfs" and shit like that

long cedar
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if u dont care then doesnt matter isnt it?

calm quartz
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fix main abilities damage for st

hardy shuttle
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Or just let unhinged cleave again, or put more damage into the dots of roar and odyns instead of initial hit

dense elbow
median token
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not nerf, just needed to flatten the burst. Ret/Frost all have the same/better aoe. Why wouldnt they just make roar/of do more bleeding dmg over a longer time and reduce the initial burst?

dense elbow
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Cause at that point just make us ferals with bleed build

chrome plover
tame yarrow
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We dont need aoe buffs, we need ST buffs, meat cleaver will offer consistent aoe then anyways

median token
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everything is fine when compared to trash players

restive granite
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how are we fine

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were like that homer simpson meme were he holds all his fat on the back

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padding on shitter adds that would have died to pasive cleave anyways

dense elbow
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We are not doing less ST dam than aug in keys, I find that hard to believe

restive granite
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on raid

chrome plover
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god

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every time baby

chrome plover
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hahaha

dense elbow
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Please stop with the faulty data

golden hare
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waow.. buff fury...

chrome plover
molten spear
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to continue the meme of the parses.

chrome plover
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i think ur dooming way too hard, linking bad data, or just being skill gapped in your 11-12s

median token
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skill gaped on 12s lmao

sick jungle
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hmm

dense elbow
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Nah, some classes just so better overall than fury

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It is what it is

mossy fox
sick jungle
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yeah, look at boomkins

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lets start dooming wtf

molten spear
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agree, dooming rn is the ony logical choice

golden hare
dense elbow
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Fury do being burst aoe and good st.
They are killing our burst.
That is the problem

chrome plover
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i will stand down

steel shadow
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Wasn't there a spreadsheets that listed things to do week by week? I cannot for the life of me find it

chrome plover
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🙇‍♂️

molten spear
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@dense elbow while doing that they also lowered our st in cleave build by 4.5% give it or take

dense elbow
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I just don't want a world where we end up flat

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And we on our way there

vale sphinx
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Hey guys, with the cdr on BS I have been sending it whenever it comes back off CD, is this fine or should I be holding it to line up with ava?

errant vessel
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There’s quite the gap till we’re flat

dense elbow
elder granite
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why does it feel harder to get into keys than DF?

tame yarrow
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Can we all agree on just playing mountain thane to lower our dps even more, so we get buffed later? blast

median token
dense elbow
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A flat foundation

molten spear
restive granite
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blast why is it even a "?"

errant vessel
clever mural
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Already rockin thane, more fun if you disable details 😎

vale sphinx
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ty guys

dense elbow
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I am glad you enjoy it. I prefer slayer, but I get the joys if you enjoy the more dfs2 playstyle

tame yarrow
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I like Slayer a lot too

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Thematicly I love warrior in TWW tbh

wet wraith
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blizz did just absolutely nail the playstyle of both slayer and mountain thane imo. prob the most fun I've had on fury in a long time

delicate yacht
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The play style of passive damage

dense elbow
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The burst profile is a ton of fun. Let's just fight to not lose it

gusty cloak
near wing
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Genuine question. Why do people look at just boss damage on logs and then say fury warrior is garbage? I just don’t understand the logic. The fights are encounters. You have to do all mechanics of the encounter, which includes damaging everything. Shouldn’t the analysis just be damage done on the encounter? These fights are so much more complex than just a single boss. This isn’t classic era tank and spanks. Overall damage throughout, I think, should be the only thing we really care about. Can someone explain the focus on just boss damage? Maybe it’s a stupid question and I just haven’t slept enough.

covert sierra
near wing
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Could you link video.. I appreciate that color, that’s the most thoughtful response I’ve seen that isn’t just dooming

dense elbow
# near wing Genuine question. Why do people look at just boss damage on logs and then say fu...

They dont (or shouldn't) say fury is garbage, it is simply a problem of how warcraft logs presents data to the masses. Usually within a narrative through WoWhead. So when the people see data that says:
Fury Warrior is the worst DPS on boss damage - they see it as as "fury warrior is the worst damage on bossfights", ignoring our CDs and damage go into killing off the adds.

This goes the other way around as well. Looking at overall DPS and seeing Fury on top - as some fights had a lot of add spawns to pad on perfectly for Fury.

The narrative should be on a boss by boss basis, with an explanation to the ones presented with the data of what it means.

But then, clickbaity headers and drama causing graphs are better for the monetary side of things: more clicks, more interactions.

  • The focus on boss damage comes from, it being the thing fury is struggling at using those datapoints - so that is what is brought foward, and boss damage is arguably the more important damage historically. As bosses got to die. If everyone goes full add damage builds, you are going to have a bad time. So that is what is often pushed as the more important even if it looks worse on logs - so bosses actually die.

DPS whores gonna go for the log, bosskill be damned, sadly. So you got to make them want to aim for it and justify it within their log based brain.

soft condor
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Is Mountain Thane playable for M+?

golden hare
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ya

dense elbow
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I would say it is, you just need to bring another class to fill your ST DPS loss

golden hare
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worse than slayer tho

soft condor
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Yeah I figured

tepid gorge
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is there a mastery % you should be aiming for

soft condor
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Cause damn it's way more fun to play with

golden hare
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no

jovial coral
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Erga I think you are in skyhold way to often these days

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Did you start playing wow agian

golden hare
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no

chrome plover
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i miss erga

jovial coral
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he is right there

tepid gorge
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there isnt any soft caps i should be aiming for

dense elbow
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I am glad Erga is back, Erga is one of the least toxic regulars gladge

golden hare
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no

chrome plover
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no

golden hare
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i'm super toxic wdym

jovial coral
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garen top player

dense elbow
dire badge
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erga so toxic he killed sodas mental (played league with him) so bad he didn’t do keys with me

tepid gorge
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well as fury i should be stacking my mastery as high as i can get it ya

golden hare
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no one said that either

dense elbow
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Nop, you want to balance your stats

tepid gorge
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so my 47% mastery is actually hurting me

golden hare
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no

dense elbow
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Could be, but unlikely

jovial coral
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got proof for those allegations maid

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?

golden hare
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you're making it a bigger deal than it is

jovial coral
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quite serious

golden hare
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your stat spread isn't some super secret elo potion

dire badge
jovial coral
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aiii shibal

hollow bloom
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Thane is pretty enjoyable this week

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Due to the tyrannical not being at 4 xD

warm crag
golden hare
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chat is this real

dense elbow
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Really feeds into the loop and just superstable high AoE

warm crag
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Aswell as literally zero st oly moly

dense elbow
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Thane do need some ST love, that is for sure

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AM is more fun tho, as Thane, so I would just play for that

golden hare
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soingie warcraftlogs say fury warrio bottom boss damage so no loss really anyway 👍

dense elbow
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Warcraftlogs dont say that no?

golden hare
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50% of 1 is not 1!!!!!!!!

warm crag
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1!!!!!!!!! Is 1!

marsh rapids
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Good point

dense elbow
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we are decently mid

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we clearly need some nerfs tho

golden hare
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sorry that was not meant to be taken seriously i was making things up (my hobby)

marsh rapids
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Toxic

dense elbow
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I hope they nerf us another 3% aura on top

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Just so I finally can get to the point where I gain DPS over time, not lose it.

jovial coral
marsh rapids
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They wont be happy until fury aoe = their ST

golden hare
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i never said that toby

dense elbow
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Your DMs to me tell a different story

oblique trail
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hi erga

golden hare
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hi kitty :3

warm crag
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Banrzi fucked up pfp

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Refuses to hang out since 2022

oblique trail
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absurd allegation

mossy fox
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banezi refuses to join my keys when i ask him

jovial coral
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yeah bonzi sucks!!

oblique trail
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Critcake refused to answer my dm when I asked for +10s last week

sick jungle
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2 fury warriors in 1 key is too much dead weight

oblique trail
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If you have it talented yes

sick jungle
pearl sequoia
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did a key with 2 warriors, actually terrible

sick jungle
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zero utility

oblique trail
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It does use SD yes, just check on Wowhead if you're curious or in doubt

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You either Execute at 3x Marked for Execution Stacks, when Ashen Juggernaut will run out in the next GCD, or if you're on 2 SD stacks

pearl sequoia
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clear comms

crisp bronze
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Focus up

red berry
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lock in

tawny shadow
wet wraith
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my biggest secret is that I basically never invite other dps warriors. even if I'm playing a different class. weirdly hard to find good warriors in lfg

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never using cc and shit

dense elbow
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I had the oposite experience, Fury Warriors just always do at worst decent damage and dont die. Other classes flop and write angry in /p

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I do avoid arms warriors tho, as for some reason, they always start becoming super weird in the partychat

wet wraith
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i think im probably just extra critical of someone playing my main

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i do the same with outlaw rogues

dense elbow
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Fair; but if you want your key completed - and we not talking push here, then Fury is just a super solid pick

pearl sequoia
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pick me pick me

dense elbow
wet wraith
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im always scared of inviting mages though. like 7/10 have no clue whats going on

pearl sequoia
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ive been getting into a lot of 10 pugs now, and its always the tank or healer that flops

runic cypress
dense elbow
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ratge sure

wet wraith
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love getting weird on occasion

runic cypress
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I never talk except for hi at the start and GG at the end

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I don't like chatting in keys

dense elbow
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I got a WA that says hi, and I manually type in: Gg, have a good one lads!

runic cypress
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Kek

pearl sequoia
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as oceanic i cant talk, otherwise they notice the realm name and say "sorry lag"

runic cypress
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I just don't personally enjoy chatting with strangers in keyd

pearl sequoia
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even tho i play 90% of the keys on NA ping

runic cypress
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I just wanna get the key done

wet wraith
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i like to make my aussie brothers feel at home by calling them cunts

runic cypress
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I haven't yet completed a 7 in time critcake

dense elbow
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I dont believe you

runic cypress
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I'll post proof when I'm home

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Often the groups just disband early on when tanks and healers get into arguments

pearl sequoia
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median key times are probably like 5's right

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thats pretty believeable

runic cypress
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One time I died a lot and felt really bad

dense elbow
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There is no way

runic cypress
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But I just don't get many invites

tiny hare
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m+ always feel so strange to me

runic cypress
tiny hare
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why the fuck should the key break if u dont time it

weary sail
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Most people dont even completed 5s in time

tiny hare
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it should only break if u leave it

dense elbow
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So your key breaks, if you leave someone elses key?

sinful mantle
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Did they make it so we can't leap out of the grip on last boss in ara? Tried twice now and just got pulled in both times

tiny hare
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yea

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at least it should

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people can just leave without consequences nowadays anyway

pearl sequoia
wet wraith
runic cypress
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Trying to just hit 2k

dense elbow
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you will get there

runic cypress
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It's rough out here in the EU

dense elbow
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I did

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I am EU

errant vessel
dense elbow
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it free

sinful mantle
errant vessel
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If not half second

wet wraith
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idk now i think its just easier to step in a pull and then interrupt the blob

runic cypress
wet wraith
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pool*

pearl sequoia
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yea way easier

tiny hare
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lmao

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farmed io then went fury

runic cypress
tiny hare
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you can always level your key

runic cypress
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People with 1k Rio decline from 7 keys

runic cypress
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I don't wanna talk about it anymore

weary sail
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Why not time a +6

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And try again

runic cypress
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You had to be there to believe it

stuck bison
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Is soft cap nerf on OF and TR is live ?

ornate gust
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Which raid WAs pack do you guys use?

rotund ginkgo
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its a good thing warrior is strong for m+ guys

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i got scared the nerfs would be big or something

golden hare
rotund ginkgo
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good thing they caught us before season began

weary sail
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Good thing blizzard saw Fury warriors having fun, how dare we

south chasm
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good thing our ST is really good!

runic cypress
tiny hare
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ist is uver fur mich

golden hare
runic cypress
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I thought I was just dogshit

restive fiber
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we are fine its 1% nerf

dense elbow
tiny hare
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aug should be S tier

dense elbow
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I done runs where I done 1.4mill dps

south chasm
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why does fury goto feel so underwhelming outside of CDs? Its kinda boring outside of CDs tbh

dense elbow
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are those just like very dated stats?

errant vessel
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It’s 95th percentile probs

runic cypress
golden hare
tiny hare
dense elbow
dense elbow
runic cypress
rotund ginkgo
dense elbow
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Ye, w1 makes sense

rotund ginkgo
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week 2 looks worse

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WE DROPPED 4 SPOTS, BOYS

dense elbow
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well, we dropping we all knew would happen

rotund ginkgo
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i mean in the one week

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kekw

golden hare
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WHERE WE DROPPING BOYS

dense elbow
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Doesnt matter tho - we still bring that boss killing juice

golden hare
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:fortnite:

runic cypress
rotund ginkgo
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mythicstats

dense elbow
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At least on ST I get to feel I can compete

weary sail
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Fury is one of the worst class in ST

rotund ginkgo
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we're not even that strong on m+ st anymore lol

dense elbow
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Nop, our ST is pretty decent

rotund ginkgo
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ppl caught up

weary sail
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No its not lol

rotund ginkgo
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in M+ yes because SOME classes sacrifice ST

weary sail
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Fury ST is garbo

rotund ginkgo
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but its not "good"

south chasm
dense elbow
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Fury ST is garbo?

rotund ginkgo
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our ST is literally below mid tier

dense elbow
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Are you guys using the raid stats again?

weary sail
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Unless u running 5s

rotund ginkgo
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idk

weary sail
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Sure

rotund ginkgo
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maybe he is

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idk dawg im full 10s rn

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dont really feel particularly strong in one area or the other

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i feel strong on the first pack

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thats it

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KEKW

weary sail
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No way ur telling me fury ST is good

errant vessel
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Fury has great ST compared to other specs when using M+ talents

dense elbow
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When you say fury is decent ST, and ppl attack you for it. It gotta be based on raid all bosses boss dam stats

south chasm
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after CDs fury is garbage and if you pug and got a tank that doesnt pull well your dmg will be even worse

dense elbow
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What does that got to do with ST?

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Well, to be fair, maybe Dean not on that train

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But he did comment on it

south chasm
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nah fury St is trash

dense elbow
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what

idle ember
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are we all really dropping armed to the teeth for uproar

golden hare
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feelings really don't care about facts

idle ember
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in m+

south chasm
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i feel like im just waiting on my CDs to come back up to feel like im doing something every key XD

dense elbow
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Try Thane Dean, AM/Rav build

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you will prob enjoy it

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It is decent damage too

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Just not on ST - actually not.

meager void
tiny hare
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i think arms might surpass us no?

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arms colossus

south chasm
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i was thinking about going arms'

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how does arms look in keys though?

tiny hare
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pretty solid imo

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specially in bosses

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only survivability is shit

dense elbow
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About the same as Fury, might pull ahead on even higher keys

buoyant salmon
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fury frost and arcane are better

idle ember
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a braindead frost dk can out dps us

oblique trail
idle ember
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its joever

buoyant salmon
buoyant salmon
buoyant salmon
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you have to know what youre doing as frost dk

weary sail
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back to middle of the pack boys sadga

warm crag
old cloud
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whats our most accurate sim category for m+ topgear?

south chasm
buoyant salmon
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and compare results

weary sail
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pls no more nerfs

buoyant salmon
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if youre just simming for stats you can just sim st though

dense elbow
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We are still too good in raid

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nerfs are coming

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and you better enjoy em

sick jungle
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i think it would be better to sim 5 targets 30 seconds so you can see big big number

old cloud
buoyant salmon
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1 target

heady saffron
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if they delete fury maybe there will be more tanks :O

old cloud
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ah

runic cypress
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We're so back

weary sail
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worst thing that fury warrior can do was to pump too hard in heroic week

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its over

wet wraith
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yeah but have you guys ever thought that if we just play better then we'll be back at the top

dense elbow
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Ye, it really caused an outcry

tropic helm
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Lol, then aoe fights we're number 1. The duality of fury

buoyant salmon
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fury didnt get nerfed because they did toouch damage in heroic week

dense elbow
buoyant salmon
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they got nerfed bc of how absurd their aoe burst was

heady saffron
weary sail
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a lot of it was padded damage too, we just pad really hard cuz adds die too fast and other class didnt have time to do aoe

tropic helm
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Fury is both overtuned and undertuned. Big brain blizz

rotund ginkgo
sick jungle
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i blame him

rotund ginkgo
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its that we're declared "S tier" but eat nerfs after nerfs

runic cypress
rotund ginkgo
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when the data shows us NOT being S tier

runic glacier
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maybe they should buff something we suck at if we are getting unnecessary nerfs :))

rotund ginkgo
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but rather just normal

weary sail
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fury really wasn't that OP and the numbers after 2 weeks show when things stabilize

heady saffron
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why is boomy, shaman, pally so strong

warm crag
wet wraith
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obviously getting nerfed sucks for us getting invited to m+, but i just like big parse numbers. if someone beats me in dps cuz their class is better so be it

sick jungle
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remember when people were dooming boomkin

rotund ginkgo
dense elbow
buoyant salmon
elfin vortex
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hi, guys i think i made a mistake, i crafted the sword insteed of the axe, is it too big of a mistake?

warm crag
heady saffron
rotund ginkgo
warm crag
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now we're fine

rotund ginkgo
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not wclogs

sick jungle
buoyant salmon
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we wouldve been omega s tier the whole patch

rotund ginkgo
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OH NO

buoyant salmon
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we are STILL TOPPING ON AOE FIGHTS

rotund ginkgo
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IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR

clever rampart
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Guys, I play wow 1 month, fury is my first character, can i delete it now?

heady saffron
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yes

runic glacier
heady saffron
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yes

sick jungle
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but they removed add dmg off rashanan!

rotund ginkgo
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i was talking abt m+

buoyant salmon
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we are still good in m+ though

rotund ginkgo
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some1 else hijacked my convo

dense elbow
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We are decent

buoyant salmon
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we are good

dense elbow
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No, you are evil

earnest grail
heady saffron
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we are dead gg, 3k gold drums killed fury

sick jungle
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good on the charts with 0 utility

rotund ginkgo
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i havent spoken about logs either

buoyant salmon
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utility doesnt matter

earnest grail
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some one posted logs

buoyant salmon
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theres literally nothing i can do to prove to you guys fury is good

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if i go do a key with a frost dk or ret and beat them

heady saffron
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cuz its not

rotund ginkgo
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because in the context of m+ theres classes that do EXACTLY what fury does

heady saffron
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buff fury

buoyant salmon
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you guys will say they suck

rotund ginkgo
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but have util

dense elbow
earnest grail
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or where can we find a List to watch, how bad we are atm ?

weary sail
rotund ginkgo
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we arent BAD, theres just NO incentive to choose a fury warr

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as usual

heady saffron
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rework fury for the anniversary, remove bladestorm add in grippy hands but it mass charges instead

meager void
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tier lists are the brain child of clickbait websites and streamers

buoyant salmon
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utility doesnt matter

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for doing relevant keys

meager void
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they dont tell you jack shit about the state of a class

wet wraith
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the wcl m+ rankings do not represent damage, its based on the classes being brought to higher keys

buoyant salmon
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idc about ur pug keys

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nobody does

heady saffron
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i do

rotund ginkgo
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@buoyant salmon but why would i choose a fury that has 0 util vs a class that does the same as fury BUT has util?

earnest grail
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so, i clearly deal less damage in AOE then all the others, but am #1 in singletarget, how is that even possible

heady saffron
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plus lust

rotund ginkgo
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@earnest grail because in m+ fury doesnt lose a lot of ST

meager void
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for rallying cry and bshout ofc

rotund ginkgo
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some classes sacrifice a lot for m+ talents

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ofc, Protection

earnest grail
buoyant salmon
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tell me what specs

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to invite to this +9 mists

rotund ginkgo
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@earnest grail yeah thats a full ST fight when we dont lose much ST fromt alents

buoyant salmon
#

i will omega gap them

dense elbow
meager void
#

on demand defensive is also something hunters, for example, would give their nuts for

dense elbow
#

It is a mist

weary sail
#

even if we are middle of the pack with no utility, that is fine. But stop nerfing us to the ground even more please 🙏

buoyant salmon
#

i i know we will time it

#

but i want to show you guys that fury is good

earnest grail
#

sorry, a bit tired today. My Brain is rotten

dense elbow
#

I fail to see the point you trying to build?

meager void
#

if you think warrior brings no utility, you really havent oppened that spellbook bra

wet wraith
#

i just think target caps are cringe really

rotund ginkgo
#

@dense elbow me or choco?

dire badge
#

the tier list already told me fury is dog water I don’t need anecdotal evidence to the contrary

verbal rivet
dire badge
weary sail
#

i do say though fury warrior is probs one of the tankiest melee which is nice

meager void
#

just a stupid hamstring has saved my groups

dense elbow
rotund ginkgo
dense elbow
#

he just on a rant again

rotund ginkgo
#

so its not like as of rn, fury's tankiness is extra useful

south chasm
dense elbow
#

We all do?

buoyant salmon
#

bc i like it

wheat estuary
#

#BUFF THANE

rotund ginkgo
#

real

#

LEMME TRIPLE STORMBOLT

wet wraith
#

fury gotta be one of healers' favorite dps to have in the group

dense elbow
weary sail
#

does this DPS factor in all the ebon mights buff from aug already? or just raw DPS from aug

wet wraith
#

besides the fact that we are all stupid

low folio
#

well they would rather choose fdk, tankier and does more damage

verbal rivet
rotund ginkgo
#

it takes the info from logs

weary sail
#

i thought aug logs are broken

#

cant factor in ebon might

rotund ginkgo
#

This summary presents DPS parses for Mythic+ keys at level 8 and above, sourced from the Warcraft Logs API. Warcraft Logs calculates overall DPS by dividing the total damage done by the entire dungeon time, even during moments of non-combat. This is in contrast to in-game addons like Details, which often show higher DPS values. For the most accurate comparison of DPS, consider uploading your logs to Warcraft Logs. Increasing the number of logs on Warcraft Logs enhances the precision of this list.

Each spec is limited to 1000 (was 500) runs per dungeon. So 8000 is the maximum amount of runs per spec. Once a spec and dungeon combo reaches this limit, one key above is used as a floor for the period, ensuring that all specs use the same key range.

dense elbow
wet wraith
buoyant salmon
#

1.4m is not the max at all

wet wraith
#

literally just using impending victory and enraged regen has gotten me a lot of messages from healers after dungeons

meager void
#

theres a disconnect here between the opinions some of you posit and the knowledge you show about the class, logs, etc.

weary sail
#

1.4 mil max sounds about right if u average out all the keys

dense elbow
#

Man, it always sucks when the convo loops

heady saffron
#

i cant kill ?? zekvir and its blizzards fault

dense elbow
#

1.4mil max isnt avg'd out

#

it is the max

#

avg is avg

rotund ginkgo
#

it averages otu the max

weary sail
#

average of all the max run

#

bruh

buoyant salmon
#

how do i make my ilvl shit

heady saffron
#

remove gear

#

do heroic dungeons and lfr

rotund ginkgo
wet wraith
#

i think there are a lot of newer fury warriors this season, which def shows

rotund ginkgo
#

how would it know that that run existed

weary sail
#

i thought people said balance druid are garbage it seemed pretty good

summer quail
dense elbow
weary sail
#

there was so much outcry about balance druid

#

its insane

heady saffron
buoyant salmon
#

good enough

rotund ginkgo
#

boomie was weak in hc dungeons and hc raid

meager void
#

because tettles cries a lot

buoyant salmon
#

i dont have any shittier gear to equip that doesnt drop 4 set

rotund ginkgo
#

for the same reason

#

that fury warr was strong

meager void
#

but he's the rare kind of player that cries a lot and actually knows his shit

rotund ginkgo
#

@buoyant salmon just drop 4set

#

its only like 2% diff anyway

dense elbow
#

What are you on about now Choco?

earnest grail
#

Guess Druid dont like their Hero Talent

dense elbow
#

What is he trying to achieve

rotund ginkgo
#

who knows

buoyant salmon
#

doing a key bout to omega put down frost and enhance

sick jungle
#

balance keeper of the grove is so nasty rn lol

rotund ginkgo
#

he probs wants to gap them with no ilvl diff etc

#

to prove an ancedotal point

heady saffron
#

boomie has always been strong it must be a player thing my boomy buddy always top charts 😳

dense elbow
#

So he finds two less skilled players

#

beats them

low folio
#

frost definitely is stronger than warrior

buoyant salmon
#

i invited the best ppl

dense elbow
#

to prove a point?

buoyant salmon
#

its a 9

#

nobody really good paplies

wheat estuary
#

Yall should stop arguing and start chanting to buff thane

dense elbow
#

If they are on your level, they should be around same ilvl as you?

#

I am confused

wheat estuary
#

The real travesty here

low folio
#

i dont like thane

wet wraith
#

thane is sick

heady saffron
#

thane adds buttons, buttons are bad

dense sedge
#

Not enough slaying for me

wheat estuary
#

Vote to kick prideful and delete his warrior

restive peak
#

Please let these bad pictures that are wrong die

opaque cypress
buoyant salmon
#

gg im in brood talents

low folio
#

thanes descrition is cooler than what it actually looks like in game

buoyant salmon
#

unlucky

heady saffron
#

whirlwind > thunderclap 🫣

sick jungle
#

didn't do a spec check eh

dense sedge
#

Thane is an enhance shaman from wish or temu

wet wraith
#

thunderclap > whirlwind and ravager > bladestorm

earnest grail
#

imagine your specc is worse then Feral Druid in M+

dense sedge
#

It definetly isn’t

dense sedge
#

I don’t believe that’s true my guy

calm quartz
#

I hate it here

earnest grail
#

idk, why should it not ?

rotund ginkgo
#

it isnt worse

sick jungle
#

feral pumps

rotund ginkgo
#

check the amount of runs

calm quartz
#

how is the top dps

#

only 1.4m xdd

dense sedge
#

I just don’t think fury is that bad

buoyant salmon
#

its shit data

rotund ginkgo
#

@earnest grail theres 446 vs 3.4k recorded feral vs fury runs

weary sail
dense sedge
#

You’re all dooming to much

rotund ginkgo
#

so if no one uploads themselves doing higher

#

it just wont calculate

#

😄

calm quartz
#

uploading m+

sick jungle
#

feral actually pumps though lol

earnest grail
rotund ginkgo
weary sail
#

If i have a shit stinky logs i aint uploading that shit

rotund ginkgo
#

its decent to see "ok ret/fdk are quite strong", but its not correct to say "ah feral>fury"

burnt crow
#

uploading m+ logs ain't no one got time for that

earnest grail
#

Its just a Meme

#

Feral was always bad

rotund ginkgo
#

i know, im just pointing out

earnest grail
#

now its not

dense sedge
#

I’m happy that isn’t it’s good that they’ve sorted it out

earnest grail
#

and tbh, i can feel that im getting weaker every iLvL Point other classes can get

low folio
#

ive not gained a single loot drop outside of vault so far. stuck at 610 ilvl 😦

dense sedge
#

Yeah I know the feeling but I play fury because it’s undeniably fun. Yes there are stronger melees but they aren’t as fun imo.

earnest grail
#

assa is a lot of fun

dense sedge
#

Not tried it tbf

earnest grail
#

but you need to like the Dot mechanics

dense sedge
#

Been playing my paladin alt and it’s fun but let’s face it there more or less ranged at this point. Not levelled a dk to try it, I’m gonna tough it out and stick with warrior

spiral shell
#

Assasination is hard to play effectively

earnest grail
#

i was 4 Exp a arms main, switched to fury cuz of this busted Hero Talentbuilds. Duoing with a Enh. But Bro, i think my decision was wrong tho

earnest grail
dense sedge
#

You can always reroll mate

earnest grail
#

my Heart is full of Warrior

#

planing to tank this season, or do nothing. Already have my 2k+ Score

dense sedge
#

Then fuck the numbers keep bonkjng you never know we might get some kind of buff.

buoyant salmon
#

unfortuantely this fdk and enhance are beans

devout plume
#

just coming back and crafting has me all messed up. What's the best piece of gear to craft with my runed crest?

#

should i just go with a weapon?

meager void
#

hey ya'll are leaping out of the one-shot AoE on last boss in Arakara, right?

runic glacier
#

weapon is good to craft yes

devout plume
#

haste/mastery on the missive(?) is that still what we want. Seems like some things say different stuff and i'm just confused haha. Looking at icy veins bis is different than using something liek askmrrobot bis

#

i haven't looked at noxxic in years so i'm just assuming it's still garbage

dense sedge
#

I went haste mastery yeah

#

Generally just been following the guide on wowhead or asking in here

warm crag
#

sim if you wanna be sure but just go hast emast

#

cant go wrong

night relic
#

Had times where I got sucked mid leap

warm crag
#

just leap after the suck

#

happens at like 1.0 remaining of the cast

night relic
#

Yea and I got sucked midair by last tick

warm crag
#

yeah you leap after the suck

#

it does one big pull at 1.1 you can leap after that

night relic
#

Hmm

sick jungle
#

yeah I hit it consistently now

#

the leap during suck

#

p easy

heavy flax
#

if you just stay on her the entire time your character will get like a mini knockup (the suck) and that's when you jump out. I do the same with transcendence on monk and haven't died to it yet.

wet wraith
#

when you leap but she keep suckin

night relic
#

I didn’t wanna brick anyone’s 10 keys so I stopped testing

meager void
#

yeah, it only fails if you leap before 1.00 sec remaining on cast

#

at 0.X, it never fails* (*so far, for me)

night relic
#

Should be nerfed by next week to cause more suffering to warriors

heavy flax
#

the suck will make your camera jump up a little and that's what i go off of

night relic
#

Can’t be having convenience in this economy

pale sable
#

is this corrent? raidbots telling me to go with these 2 trinkets instead of 606 Sacbrood and 593 Shard.

#

for m+

restive granite
#

trust the robot

idle ember
#

Does something look off here, got wrecked by a frost dps same ilvl in a SoB +5

#

dont know what im doing wrong

heavy flax
#

gotta smash crushing blow more

wet wraith
#

TR dam looks pretty low

runic quail
#

you're using thunderous roar wrong

buoyant salmon
#

unlucky gapping with am

#

spec is beans

regal marten
thorny lily
#

hey, crafting a cloak with nerubian embelish is bad? i'm broke to craft a bracer :/

buoyant salmon
#

these guys were kinda beans tho

desert cipher
#

is whirlwind ever used on single targets?

regal marten
#

Not really

buoyant salmon
#

if youre talented into the whirlwind talents, yes

#

otherwise you slam

#

if you cant bloodthirst or raging blow

regal marten
#

For me it's weird how some random monk outdps es me

#

Are there some guides of when I should pop avatar and recklessness in m+?

olive wraith
#

On big pulls

#

As often as you can

weary sail
dry hawk
#

I send it unless it won't be up for boss

regal marten
#

Yeaa but sometimes I fck my boss insta burst

olive wraith
#

You pugging?

regal marten
#

Yee

#

I don't have a guild yet

runic quail
olive wraith
#

That’s just how it is then

regal marten
#

Or well I can't join guild because I am bonded to this one

#

So I need to be in discord community or sumthing

olive wraith
#

Nothing wrong with pugging

#

It’s just every tank is gonna be diff

regal marten
#

Yea but it's hella hard to get in. Like I feel I need to do all +3 to get in +4 then I can advance to +5

olive wraith
#

That’s a dps thing. You can run your own key for rating

idle ember
#

whats the correct way to use Thunderous roar?

granite oak
idle ember
#

i just talented uproar going to try it in this sv +6

regal marten
olive wraith
#

Threads ain’t too bad

regal marten
granite oak
granite oak
# olive wraith Why?

Cause if you got all 3s on tyrr but had all 2s on fort you hadda wait for fort to get all 3s so you could move on to 4s

regal marten
olive wraith
#

That’s not how it works anymore I thought

granite oak
olive wraith
#

It was easier before

wet wraith
regal marten
restive granite
runic violet
#

5 bosses down 5 loots so far

#

and its my dumb ret alt ._.

wet wraith
granite oak
regal marten
#

My current rotation rn is: blow, blow, bloothirst, blow (if reset), rampage. Sometimes I do more blows be4 b bloddthirst if I have more haste. Is it good enough?

granite oak
#

How was having to wait a week easier

wet wraith
#

like get enraged before you do anything and then keep it up

olive wraith
granite oak
wet wraith
olive wraith
sick jungle
wet wraith
#

raging blow and bloodthirst are just there to build rage and rampage > crushing blow > bloodbath again

olive wraith
#

Like are we talking ksm? Or title pushing

granite oak
#

You can talk about either one and my point remains the same

#

Re read the comment I was originally replying to

granite oak
#

The person I was talking to. Read their comment

#

We’re talking about being invited into pugs

olive wraith
#

About getting in?

#

That’s not any different

wet wraith
#

what is happening

granite oak
#

?

olive wraith
#

It’s hard to get in as dps period

granite oak
#

That is irrelevant

olive wraith
#

Ok bud

granite oak
#

? You said I was wrong but have now said nothing to back up that claim lol

#

I’m just thinking you misunderstood the point

olive wraith
#

It was easier to reach ksm the old way

wet wraith
#

hes talking about title

granite oak
#

again that is irrelevant

low folio
#

does any of the weekly quests give the spark or only the main one

granite oak
#

Ksm has nothing to do with what I said

#

NOTHING

wet wraith
olive wraith
#

Pugging to get the title was easier

granite oak
#

Well no

olive wraith
#

Cause you needed lower key levels across the board

granite oak
#

You’re wrong

olive wraith
#

You needed 13s

granite oak
#

But again that has nothing to do with it

wet wraith
#

i can't possibly understand how it would be easier. you still have to be in the same percentile

olive wraith
#

As opposed to “17s”

granite oak
#

^

#

He gets it

olive wraith
#

The keys weren’t as hard

granite oak
#

But again that wasn’t my point

wet wraith
#

maybe you're not understanding what title he is talking about

granite oak
#

That doesn’t matter

olive wraith
#

You just waited an extra week

#

He said either ksm or title pushing

#

Title pushing is diff

wet wraith
#

if keys are easier, the level gets pushed higher

buoyant salmon
#

who gives a fuck

granite oak
#

Keys can be 100s or 4s. It’s the same percent of the player base you compete against

buoyant salmon
#

the change is done

granite oak
#

But this is a whole new argument you’re leading me down

olive wraith
granite oak
#

Again it has nothing to do with the original point made

hard widget
#

These aboms in NW are hella cooked

coarse nest
#

When was obtaining title supposedly easier?

olive wraith
#

Is it easier to pug a 13 or a 7

#

17

unreal kelp
#

A 7 bedge

unreal onyx
hard widget
unreal onyx
#

oof

low folio
#

the weekly wants me to progress further in the campaign before i can do the disc thing. im feeling lazy. might just wait for next week to craft

coarse nest
#

On average probably 17 because the players need to be better to get to 17

wet wraith
#

i think the other guy isn't getting what title we're talking about

olive wraith
#

Again it’s easier to get into 13s

#

Than it is to 17s

granite oak
#

That was the point

#

? No shit

#

A 13 is a lower skill level required key

meager void
olive wraith
#

So you’re telling me I’m right lmao

#

Thanks

low folio
#

people are doing 17s?

granite oak
#

What?

#

You haven’t said anything right yet lol

#

You again have missed the entire point I made and are spewing random nonsense about something else

rotund ginkgo
#

AGPPED

#

GAPPED

#

ONCE AGAIN

#

NERF

dapper goblet
#

mald

buoyant salmon
#

u guys both did beans dam for having an aug

#

thats tank aug dam

bitter palm
#

maybe for equinox

meager void
regal marten
bitter palm
#

equinox mf pulling 1.4 with aug

#

icant

buoyant salmon
#

heres the log

buoyant salmon
#

on a good key

outer umbra
#

I thought a friend was exaggerating when he told me this but we’re actually doing less boss damage than augs lol

buoyant salmon
#

i could do 1.4 easy with aug on my prot warrior

#

on a good run

buoyant salmon
rotund ginkgo
#

problem solved

bitter palm
#

i had 50% ebon might with an aug

rotund ginkgo
#

+tank was dog

#

problem solved

bitter palm
#

and 70% prescience

#

thoughts?

rotund ginkgo
#

i had 60% ebon might on this run

#

aug dog

bitter palm
#

xdddd

buoyant salmon
#

smoge

dense elbow
olive wraith
buoyant salmon
#

that run was with some beans talents

#

i had my broodtwister prog talents on lmao

dense elbow
#

Something tells me that enh and dk isnt the best ones out there

late night
#

hello Mastery/haste or versa/mastery for item craft ?

buoyant salmon
#

i agree they werent very good

#

im also a bit higher ilvl with what i had equipped

quiet topaz
#

is highmountain thane worse in every way compared to slayer?

buoyant salmon
#

i think frost and enhance are better than fury btw

#

its just like

#

a big better

#

not as big as a gap as ppl think

dense elbow
#

Are they better on boss dam tho?

#

I kinda feel I catch up on bosses - esp any with some, lets not call it pad

#

but adds or damage amp that gotta be done

night relic
#

Enhance yes

bitter palm
#

ballz

buoyant salmon
night relic
#

Frost yes on cleave I think

buoyant salmon
#

i dont play enhance ofr frost at all so idk what thye lose for their aoe builds

dense elbow
#

All I know is NW makes me beat my ret and mage friends on bosses 100% of the time

#

NW got good boss design gladge

bitter palm
#

try enha on amarth

buoyant salmon
#

that boss is sick for enhance

#

hold ur cds

#

to pad and steal their funnel

calm quartz
#

Frost loses near to nothing to go aoe

bitter palm
#

and we do?

#

(we dont)

calm quartz
#

Pretty sure breath build is just aoe

#

Maybe people still play shattering blade? Idk

quiet geyser
calm quartz
#

It's so over

buoyant salmon
#

hes not saying fury doesnt

#

i just mentioned idk what they lose to gain aoe

calm quartz
#

Wut, Choco said he doesn't know how much they lose yeah

wet wraith
bitter palm
#

oh fair

wet wraith
#

keep it up or you just aren't cleaving

bitter palm
#

to me it was worded like we lose a lot

calm quartz
#

I shouldve used the amazing "Reply" feature in DiscordTM

quiet geyser
#

Same lol

restive peak
#

Lmfao

#

Enh also is fucked in 2-3 key levels, they will literally not be able to survive

#

"Meta" will probably be mage, aug, fdk

sick jungle
#

time to roll fdk

chrome plover
#

mage aug boomy for sure

restive peak
#

I mean we're just below fdk so that leaves us still in a great spot

night relic
#

I mean this is not news, we’ve known fdk was gonna be busted from the start

dense elbow
#

Mage, Aug, SP, just you wait

restive peak
#

There also will be tuning the reset after queen dies

#

It was always going to be mage/aug/x

bitter palm
#

classic

clever mural
#

More fury nerfs then?

dense elbow
#

They coming, dont worry

night relic
#

Bladestorm hard capped to 3 targets does less damage beyond 1

dense elbow
#

I can see them soft capping BS to 3, sure

#

cause why not

restive peak
#

Yeah also they're gonna remove enrage

night relic
#

Didn’t need enrage anyway

restive granite
#

youre all memeing now

dense elbow
#

Removes enrage, makes mastery half value, 100% uptime

restive granite
#

but just wait

restive peak
#

Yeah cuz we're strong AF rn

dense elbow
#

We are not strong AF, but we decent - sure

earnest grail
restive granite
#

ive played with some UH dk today and theyre hitting like a truck

#

their hero talents doing most of the work though

clever path
#

Dmg should scale with how you smash keybinds

dense elbow
#

it kinda does, no?

clever mural
#

Only class ive lost overall to so far is ret

clever path
elder granite
#

ive been getting out dps this expansion and ive never had that happen in pug keys

#

i feel like i do 0 damage without full cds

dense elbow
#

Ret, arcane, FDK, MM hunter - i lost to a bit of everything really

bitter palm
restive granite
#

does dungeonslice work for fury or we sim 5 targets patchwerk?

bitter palm
dense elbow
bitter palm
#

imo the real issue is that

#

in ur cds

#

u dont really

#

beat others

night relic
#

Why

#

Do

#

U

#

Speak

#

Like

#

This

dense elbow
#

why

#

not

orchid dagger
#

Because

#

Fuck

#

You

restive granite
#

🙂

dense elbow
#

toxic

frail spire
#

literally type how it feels to do our rotation

vestal dragon
#

ah yes the smell of blizz nerfing my char even more keeps me up at night

covert blaze
bitter palm
#

nutz even

heavy dock
#

fastest zekvir wipe ive had

regal marten
summer crater
regal marten
summer crater
#

Even with full cds it isn't that great and highly exaggerated

heavy dock
#

best try i had wa 20

#

this try zekvir just meleed me to death at the start with brann ignoring me lol

sudden tusk
#

There's decent rng in the fight

regal marten
#

You can solo Zekvir's lair tho. Get the thing that heals you when proccing enraged

#

And the 20% heal

sudden tusk
#

You have to pre play around spell que or you die

regal marten
glossy burrow
#

why is the first bigger trash pack on higher ara keys so cancerous
at the spider dude that is hanging on the edge

heavy dock
regal marten
#

The way I did it was sticking close to Zekvir as much as possible because his DoT hurts.

buoyant salmon
#

need poison cleansing totem

#

to do that pull efficiently

torpid sand
#

i really need to find a way to use more BBs lol

bitter palm
#

need to find a way to use more cb

daring hare
#

is charged claymore the best weapon to craft for 2handed fury

#

and if so why (its topend is lower)

warm crag
#

anything that is 2h str

#

it doesnt matter at all what you craft as long as its both of those

buoyant salmon
#

top end damage doesnt matter

summer crater
#

Drustlord in mainhand instead of charged claymore of the same ilvl gives me about 20 more dps 🤣

warm crag
#

oly moly this is definitely not margin of error

glossy burrow
#

what makes ara kara sacbrood so good?

dire badge
#

🪤

summer crater
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Well in any case it gives slightly more damage for each ability

dire badge
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real

warm crag
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no it does not

summer crater
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Yes it does

narrow narwhal
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20 DPS is within margin of error

summer crater
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Unless you're saying the tooltip is just a liar

runic cypress
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@dense elbow bro you were actually right