fury

[solemn oyster]

how bad are the nerfs in percentage

[tardy lark]

it has to be

[chrome plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8om45SFDWsos8FyeBHkSzH

idk i redid the sim and it's fine

[tardy lark]

Mandate does 53k dps in the axe sim and 30k in the 2 others

lol

[chrome plover]

well the halberd is an 8k downgrade

surely this trinket isnt that fucked

💀

[tardy lark]

they are pretty far out, so there hasnt been anything done with it yet as far as im aware

[chrome plover]

0% (single target)

[raven glen]

Maybe its just the gear compare vs the top gear sims i have ran the same sim 4-5 times still showing up 22k increase on the axe

[tardy lark]

Mandate dps:
54k with axe
30k with halberd
7k with mace

wtf is going on

[chrome plover]

doesnt it do like 10k iterations of each idk

[tardy lark]

@raven glen do the same thing but in top gear

instead of gear compare

[chrome plover]

on a side note, i'd just always do top gear cos you can add gear manually at the top of it now

so it's effectively gear compare built in

[raven glen]

Yeah usually do just wasn't on the game and got curious since someone i know mentioned the old classic shit with top wep dam scaling went to prove him wrong then this happened

[tardy lark]

oohhhh

i see the issue now

theres some fucky wucky stuff in how the APL handles on use trinkets

[raven glen]

yeah ran the sim on top gear and it turned out okay

[tardy lark]

in 2/3 of the setups, its barely using mandate

[wicked flicker]

By the way why are we getting nerfed so much? Am I just dogshit at playing because it doesn't seem like I'm particularly outclassing many other specs on m+

[tardy lark]

as in, its using mandate 0.4 times pr iteration in the mace sim

[tidal kindle]

It's cuz maces are slower bro

[raven glen]

prob also it being a double on use issue

[tidal kindle]

Axe > Sword > Mace

[radiant plank]

try this

[tardy lark]

that issue was discussed and Greg was looking into it i think, but idk if changes has been pushed

[tardy lark]

sword cooler though so ill take the dps loss tbh

[tidal kindle]

Wait did you test sword

I didn't see it in the 3

[raven glen]

not to pressed on it now once i did the top gear sim it showed normal numbers

[tidal kindle]

.

[somber elk]

Because blizzard likes to smoke Crack

[raven glen]

sword was baseline since i had it already and sword just peak

[tardy lark]

no, but if axe is that good, sword has to be worse

oh, he had it baseline dont mind me

[raven glen]

lmao yeah was just simming it to prove a classic andy wrong about retail

[warm crag]

Wtf I crafted halberd

Wtf!!!!

[tardy lark]

kneejerk reactions to fights where furys design fits perfectly

[tidal kindle]

After concerns were brought about fury's design meshing with raid design a little too well

[tardy lark]

i did axe like a chad (it was cheaper)

[tidal kindle]

And even then they didn't hit the nerf in the proper way for raid (imo)

[tardy lark]

nah they are kinda dense

[warm crag]

What's the tldr on that mandate thinf

[tardy lark]

issue isnt as much the damage as it is the lack of setup for the damage

[tidal kindle]

Yah

[tardy lark]

standard APL doesnt handle double on use very well rn

Walhe posted fix

idk if/when it'll be pushed

[tidal kindle]

OF+Enrage+WW all off GCD

[serene moat]

Can we reflect Zevkirs enfeebling spittle?

[tidal kindle]

Press roar same GCD

Then insta BS

Then OF again

0 counterplay

To the add cannibalizing

[tardy lark]

mate i wish i was playing solo fury warrior first kill on rashanan

[warm crag]

Why would the weapon type matter

[tardy lark]

it doesnt

it was just a funny coincidence where the APL fucked up the double on use on 2 of the profilesets and not the 3rd

[warm crag]

Kingus frinfus

[tardy lark]

like, in the mace sim, mandate is used 0.4 times pr iteration over 10k iterations

while in axe sim its used 2.6 pr sim

being in line with 2-3 uses whether fight is 4-5 minutes

[eternal sundial]

G arm return soon

I believe

[chrome plover]

i got webbed twice on rashanan prog kill last night first time i ever got webbed

classic

[tardy lark]

i was 1 mechanic off ez rank 1 on sikran

but wcyd

[tidal kindle]

Me too...

The mechanic

https://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/PopularSpineyApeTakeNRG-sy8nosuKUXmCjmE7

[chrome plover]

I got rank 15

we take those

[tardy lark]

fuck thats funny lol

how do you have a clip for everything

[chrome plover]

holy fuck

that's toxic

[tidal kindle]

All in a day's work

Idk I somehow find a way to experience everything at least once

Simultaneously the best and worst player in a raid

Did you see the rash one I posted ytd

[tardy lark]

nah, been afk

[main forum]

[tidal kindle]

https://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/SucculentBrightBaconCoolStoryBob-m2OtlPKnOxfMCTQ1

[tardy lark]

im busy af

[idle lintel]

guys, im sorry if this has been already asked, but i saw different BIS list, especially for catalyst stuff..which one is the best?

[chrome plover]

holy fuck

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/pro-gamer-move-glass-push-glasses-gif-24759867

[mossy fox]

we had this last week when half the raid didn't soak first pull, followed by this 2nd pull:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/364137494700097537/1286388581170155581/1985aea0fdfd93a19eeddb4c724d0499.gif?ex=66f79d79&is=66f64bf9&hm=1264c6c1d2a3c2458694992530be01584ecfccefcc8c44686ea53aff24a8f879&=&width=1443&height=664

[tidal kindle]

LMFAO

[tidal kindle]

Legs/Chest > the other one > shoulders > helm >= gloves

[chrome plover]

can you post that meme in bottom right

its a good meme

[chrome plover]

ty

[tidal kindle]

I saw this happen to revvez in one of their splits

Half the raid

Just walked out

As boss was dying

[runic violet]

"there were adds"

[tidal kindle]

I think bazed has the best clip I've seen yet

Or funniest rather

https://clips.twitch.tv/RepleteTalentedAmazonRitzMitz-3OKUS4IvgmPaCzRV

[sage valley]

What is the most useful class weakaura you guys would recommend as a fury warrior?

I know luxthos and afenar and quazii make neat classweakauras for most if not all classes but there is sometimes someone specializing in a certain class and taking it to the next level, wondering if thats the case for us warriors as well.

[tranquil grove]

Should we just sit in arms loot spec? Even in delves?

[white oar]

Hey everyone , just started playing today and I'm looking for some advice!

I'm planning to keep things casual—focusing mostly on 10-14 keys and heroic raiding for now, with a potential jump into Mythic raiding later this tier .

I'm torn between Fury Warrior 💥 and Ret Paladin ✨.

Would love to hear your thoughts and experiences—convince me!

[strong pilot]

yes

[chrome plover]

using one of those and tailoring it to my needs has always worked best for me, I use luxthos and move the icons around and add things that I wanna track (like opportunist) he's made them in a way that makes that really easy to do and I really like the feel of it and the way he's always done whirlwind stacks

versus other ones

people have released individual weakauras for certain warrior things but idk about any more specialised full packs specifically for fury

[ashen siren]

Whats better crit or vers?

I'm simming better crit on multitarget. But idk if vers is better later on

[tidal kindle]

Crit has value cuz lot of crit dam modifiers and CSHB

[errant vessel]

whatever sims best is best

[tranquil grove]

Thanks

[mint abyss]

Is fury ok yet?

Did blizzard change their mind on nerf

[strong pilot]

Just follow the sims ngl

[chrome plover]

they have like a month to change their mind

but they didnt 1 day later no

[mint abyss]

When was that nerf going to be in effect?

[chrome plover]

11.0.5

[tidal kindle]

https://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/PolitePoisedCoffeeJebaited-Uyfd_tNQh0O8rRMA

Another banger

(Not me)

[chrome plover]

did he just blink the wrong way

[tidal kindle]

The gate

[chrome plover]

o

[tidal kindle]

He gated in

[chrome plover]

OH

[tidal kindle]

Instead of out

[chrome plover]

hahaha

[tidal kindle]

[chrome plover]

i didnt even see the gate

that's a classic

what is that rally weakaura doing

[tidal kindle]

Yeah I bricked smth

I had it tied to bigwigs timer

But didn't specify what

[chrome plover]

oh lmao

[tidal kindle]

And somehow it let it run off that

[chrome plover]

it's showing the boss hp idk if there was some weird lore

[ashen siren]

Which modifiers were you referring to? And BT already has high crit from Bloodcraze

[tidal kindle]

+Spear on ST

Oh and this is a bonus I guess

[vapid mulch]

any of you guys playing both specs? I’m wondering if I should just send arms for Rashanan, adds are gonna die anyway and the boss just needs nuking

But I’ve not done the boss yet so idk how fast adds die I guess without me as fury

[tidal kindle]

I would make sure the adds are well under control

Before swapping arms

Do not get baited by wcl

[lost saffron]

Yeh

[tidal kindle]

[lost saffron]

In my guild everyone else swappe st

So I'm stuck with adds

Feels good on meters but in logs 😦

[vapid mulch]

I mean I’ll know if they’re under control if I first send as arms right? If adds are an issue I go back. We have a fury player and a FDK

[tidal kindle]

If you already have another fury they should be fine

[vapid mulch]

I’d hope so

[tidal kindle]

Cuz arms BS still natty lines up

[warm crag]

I'm playing spear fury

[vapid mulch]

We usually compete for logs

[warm crag]

Fuck you!!!!

[mossy fox]

ya same adds wouldnt die unless i killed them

[tidal kindle]

Deflect explusion noober

[warm crag]

Wtf is expulsion!!!

[tidal kindle]

Found that one out completely by accident

[vapid mulch]

Yeah BS will be beautiful here and honestly, idc much about what WCL says but I’m an arms enjoyer and the idea of not playing arms on a 60% boss just feels so cringe to me

I can’t shake that mindset if I must execute this guy

[warm crag]

Apparently u can reflect the pull on ansurek is this lore?

[little flower]

Can anyone tell me if roar really buffs odyn? Cause it sais physical damage and not bleed. i dont understand that clearly. Thanks for help.

[tidal kindle]

The pull?

No

Maybe the damage from the proximity thing on pull

[vapid mulch]

It does

[warm crag]

Someone baited me earlier today can you ban them

[tidal kindle]

Expulsion is the beam

[warm crag]

And what is expulsion king

[tidal kindle]

On the intermission platforms

[warm crag]

Why are you standing in that

[tidal kindle]

I get pulled

I charge

[vapid mulch]

Healer pad

[tidal kindle]

I reflect

I hit mob

[warm crag]

Kingus

[tidal kindle]

I die to aggro from small spiders

Jk hasn't happened yet 🤞

[surreal mirage]

Fightingmage

[tidal kindle]

[surreal mirage]

👋

[hybrid umbra]

What would you say is the minimum ilvl for pugging a +10 key

[dense sedge]

I done a bunch of tens without 4 piece last week so idk

[quartz tulip]

i did a +8 at 600 ilvl

idk bro just dont suck

[dense sedge]

Maybe go for a rating than item level it may help more?

[hybrid umbra]

So there’s a chance of getting accepted as a 610

[serene moat]

I did ask earlier but no one knew... Are we able to reflect enfeebling spittle from Zevkir?

[dense sedge]

probs limited chance mate you're a warrior too

goitta factor that in

[arctic mulch]

If you play Aoe when you cast whirlwind?

[lost saffron]

Every 4 gcds

[arctic mulch]

And how looks like rotation after Opener CD?

[hybrid umbra]

True hahaha

[tardy lark]

https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715/1276303069956538399

[arctic mulch]

Is iT Rampage bloodbath crushing blow and execute?

[tardy lark]

sounds like you'd get further reading a guide my man

[hybrid umbra]

Idk you’ll have to give it a try

[winter saddle]

So uhh, Warrior is bricked?

[tardy lark]

yes

[winter saddle]

cool, i'll have excuse for weak dps now

[tardy lark]

holy moly a bad gif

[tardy lark]

chad takeaway actually

[serene moat]

That's why I'm asking. I didn't get it. Seems as if I sometimes get the debuff, sometimes I don't. Maybe it's not reflectable and brann insta cleansed me a few times. Dunno

[vapid mulch]

No just fury

[quick zodiac]

Without score or high gear u prolly wont get invited

Pushing your own key is the best way

Or play with friends

[tardy lark]

friends is the real hack

[wheat estuary]

What yall think about frost DK vs ret for an alt for m+? Utility survival etc..

[chrome plover]

frost dk is op atm

ret isnt

both really tanky, both have a combat res, dk grips are real nice in some places

dk might get nerfed after rwf, ret wont

[hybrid umbra]

Either that or he targets brann and that is why you don’t get the debuff

[restive narwhal]

Iam a 616 2100 i.o. Fury and dont get invites even to a 6. Its absurd. Own Key is the only Thing.

[tired brook]

own key is the best way to do keys, just hold invites and only invite the best

[winter saddle]

Critcake got a right point. No utility, no hero/bl, no constant damage, and now no burst

[quick zodiac]

Warrior Bress when

[tired brook]

no burst is quite an exaggeration

[winter saddle]

Is it comparable to Frost dk/ret? Or you pop all cds, and then your damage falls from 5m to 2m for example

it is the case in my case

[dry fable]

You can leap out and charge because charge cleanses movement impairments effects (as slayer) cuz the dot is a slow, Odyn's Fury/Avatar also works

[restive narwhal]

No Burst is just not true. Rest is true.

[hybrid umbra]

There is but it’s not quite what it was

[teal pine]

any underkeep haters

ive done it twice and its bugged twice

[ashen siren]

Why are guides suggesting to Execute on 3 Marks of Execution? Isn't it optimal to consume for Overwhelm ASAP?

[tardy lark]

no maidens, always sick, tiny pp

its down bad

[cold fable]

Maxroll suggests to use Exe as soon as you have 1 mark in MT situations

[pine frost]

Hey, what can we spell reflect on zekvir?

[serene moat]

You're the best! 👍

[hybrid umbra]

Has anyone actually killed ?? Zekvir with fury

[echo garnet]

Can you CS trap all the adds on broodtwister?

[clever shore]

a question to gain more rage when we are out of our cds, is it with haste?
I mean for example I throw rampage with 115 rage use bb and cb and I run out of rage to throw rampage again how do I get them to line up properly?

[eternal sundial]

You just have to play filler properly

[oblique trail]

[oblique trail]

Assuming you don't have horrible luck, then you should have at least 1 more RB charge after doing the Ramp > CB > BB cycle

In which case you'd then use a WW/Slam if no reset, into BT/Ramp if enough rage from AA

[clever shore]

ok

[clever belfry]

cheater

[clever shore]

so we always use rampage when we are above 100. 105 rage?

[oblique trail]

You don't really hold Rampage until a certain amount of rage no

Rage management rn isn't a super important thing to play around

[barren walrus]

Guys how is your opener on raid fights, single target when u have spear and bladestorm, first do we go with bladestorm, then spear to get maximum rage generation or

[hollow ridge]

yeah I did just after the nerf

[tardy lark]

read ANY guide or do a quick sim and check the ability breakdown

[thorny shoal]

killed him just now

[clever shore]

ah ok as the guides say that you have to use rampage when you have 115 rage, I wasn't so sure when to use it then.

[tardy lark]

your highest priority is to be enraged

[pearl sequoia]

raaaa

[ashen siren]

Yes I saw but for ST they suggest on 3, was wondering why

[pearl sequoia]

Question about the embelishments, i got ascension on sword and double effect on bracers, so for m+ i want the vers while above 80% on lets say belt, do i have to craft another bracers for vers to? or does the double effect also work for the vers that would be on the belt

[spare steppe]

Former

[clever shore]

OK then, whenever we can, we use rampage and that's it.

[teal pine]

If you're still enraged and can press bt or rb without overcapping rage you should

[tardy lark]

your highest priority is to be enraged, whether thats through OF, Rampage or BT is kind of whatever. After that you spend MfE stacks with execute, then CB and BB. If at this point you have more than 100 rage, you rampage again. If under 100 rage, you can press an extra RB.
Hope that answers any questions

and yes, as Yasuri says, theres no loss in pressing extra buttons as long as you dont ragecap or drop enrage

[clever shore]

ok ok, perfect! thank you very much my friend

😄

[hybrid umbra]

zekvir has been nerfed?

or you talking about fury

[fast mural]

It has been nerfed to be possible now

But the dot still does like 10mil DMG total

[modest condor]

luckily you never have to take more than like 2 ticks from the dot

[fast mural]

Why is that

[modest condor]

because all of them get dispelled

whether that's by brann or by your charge

[fast mural]

Well not always

Oh shit

Didn't know charge did that

Well i guess I made it harder than it should be

[thorny shoal]

can also save bladestorm/avatar if brann is on cd and the charge thing hasnt expired yet

[fast mural]

Yeah just camped around branns healthpots when the cast was about to go off

[hybrid umbra]

you have any tips or something like that cuz I'm struggling out here

is 610 ilvl enough

[fast mural]

With the charge tech probably

2nd phase actually easier than the first cause he doesn't melee you as much

[modest condor]

it's enough but you probably need to be on top of it

[fast mural]

And save CDs for webs

[modest condor]

if you're not sure you still have a whole season, no need to rush it

[thorny shoal]

I did it and im 610 so you can do it sexbog, just get some pulls in

[hybrid umbra]

so I should never use cds on him and keep them for the webs

[fast mural]

Depends how fast you kill them

If you struggle killing them.before the cast just save CDs

[unique crag]

Why they keep nerfing us? We are already getting destroyed in meters Ilvl to Ilvl

[cold fable]

To me it gets prio in ST when you get 3 marks as it does greater DMG than other abilities. Before 3 Marks priority is less compared to others even with BS cd reduction, but I might be wrong 😅

[hybrid umbra]

guess I'll keep on trying

it feels like a fromsoftware boss

[tardy lark]

It has priority in ST at 3 stacks to not waste resources

resources = mfe stacks

[cold fable]

Indeed 😁

[iron portal]

i got him to 24% just now

Definitely doable in 610 gear

[molten wing]

sometimes the web spawn is just pepega on the other side of the room

then you get a frontal that covers the room as well , probably should just wait before that and then go on the web

[sand crest]

yo guys, is there a wa or addon that auto marks the right add for 2nd boss of mists?

[spiral gyro]

I asked yesterday and got pretty nice feedback - so again:

Chat, what do we think of this UI?
Did I miss anything?

Last time I got told its too complicated, so I stashed it a bit

[ashen siren]

But consuming also buffs all your other abilitiea. And BS cd too exactly.

[hard widget]

In the end it only matters if you like the UI since you’ll be playing with it. I personally get a bit distracted by the different sizes of everything and the player frame / target frame im not a huge fan of. But like i said, I’m not the one thats gonna play with it, adjust it to how you like it yourself

[spiral gyro]

Fair point.

Think I gotta try playing a bit with it and then see how it goes.

I think I got everything I need in sight with it.. let's see if it works for me or not 🙂

[mossy fox]

i did it before yesterday's nerfs

at 620 ilvl, not sure i could have done it at 610 without the p2 spellreflect (which i think is fixed now?)

but the other hard parts were nerfed so should be more than doable anyway

[dark ice]

Are RWF guilds, more specifically Liquid and Echo loosing any money by not winning the race?
I mean, all the money is from sponsoship and viewers sooo I dont think so right?

[molten wing]

what's the deal with the portals in p2 didn't really get the mechanic

probably because i've only seen p2 two times but yeah

[hybrid umbra]

I've never had a doubt that you would be able to do it

but when it comes to me it

is a different story

[static rock]

Anyone else been finding that having higher haste makes a lot of pulls easier, but not necessarily better sims? like on one of my warriors, I got the ansurek ring, so it has a sh*t ton of crit, but 5T sims still want me to grab crit with mastery. On another, I've got like 4-5k more haste, a lot less crit and it feels much smoother and seems to do more damage

[quick zodiac]

Doubt it don’t think u get extra stuff for winning it is all sponsors

[dark ice]

maybe you have contract with sponsors that benefits more if you win?

[mossy fox]

p sure his frontal goes through his portals too, so just imagine a line between all the portals

if you're between 2 portals there's a decent chance you get gripped by frontal and die

[stark depot]

Just tested it, P2 fear is still reflectable

[empty grove]

does anybody know what the buff is called that is your 4 set

so i can track it with a WA

[hard widget]

I dont think anyone actually tracks it

[gleaming siren]

Yea it's not something you play around so tracking it is neutral at best

but it's Deep Thirst, ID: 455495

[narrow narwhal]

It's just passive damage, don't bother tracking it

[frail trellis]

Is there any down side to macroing Avatar -> Use 14 -> Recklessness -> Thunderous roar into one button?

[lusty jungle]

Use tr before avatar

[calm quartz]

Erm, actually

[teal pine]

With aoe build no theres no downside.

[lusty jungle]

And reck before charge

[teal pine]

dont need to reck before charge

with that build

or

if st build you would

with titans torment you just rip the macro whenever

[calm quartz]

With titans torment does odens get buffed by the enrage it procs

[teal pine]

yea

[calm quartz]

Basado

Always wondered about that

[frail trellis]

so, have that as 1 button, and then have another version of reckless as a separate button so when running to a boss, i reck, charge, and then rest of macro?

[teal pine]

yep

its what i do

2 binds

[frail trellis]

got it, why would i thunderous roat b4 all the others as the one guy mentioned? dont we want roar buffed by avatar and reck?

[teal pine]

maybe thinking to have OF buffed by troar but its going to be anyway since they all happen at the same time

should have avatar after reck though

[modest condor]

you dont idk what they were talking about

[frail trellis]

so reck -> 14 -> Avatar -> thunderous

[modest condor]

yes

[frail trellis]

awesome, thanks fellas

[lusty jungle]

Initial dmg on roar is neglible, better to ava and use other globals on something else

[oblique trail]

Roaring before CDs was/is an Arms thing

[modest condor]

initial damage of roar is not negligible

[tawny geode]

why not BS b4 roar ?

on fury

for more dps

[oblique trail]

Because if you do so, you wont have all of Roar inside of Recklessness

But if you BS after Roar, you'll have it inside of Reck and still make as much use of the CDR of BS

[calm quartz]

Roar crits for like 800k

[tawny geode]

yeah

[calm quartz]

It's not bad lol

[tawny geode]

true

[lusty jungle]

Then I have it mixed up from arms gaming, mb

[kindred swallow]

my elemental shaman lvl 78 deals more dps in aoe than my 600 ilvl fury warrior lol

[pine echo]

Delusional

[tardy lark]

i feel like thats a self report

[mossy fox]

gg boss giga easy then

after nerfs

[chrome plover]

feel like there's been a lot of this the last coupla days 👀

[iron portal]

But phase 1 isnt

Right

[mossy fox]

yeah my fresh lvl 70 boosted frost dk already deals more damage than my 623 fury

[random estuary]

fdk moment

[chrome plover]

only 623?

[mossy fox]

yepge

i still have 75 mythic crests but not decided what to send them on

[chrome plover]

ok fair

i sent it all last night

feeling large

[mossy fox]

i guess i'll only go up 1 ilvl

i saw some 626+

but kinda relies on getting very rare items i think

or giga spooned

[plucky ice]

bruh moment trying to get hc logs when ppl have 10+ higher ilvl

[vale dove]

ye getting very rares in vault or lots of gear from early mythic bosses

[chrome plover]

getting a mythic v rare neck woulda been huge yeah

[tardy lark]

i did the giga play of thinking i had an extra spark - bought a nascent crest - realize you cant sell it back for crests

proceed to despair at -90 crests

[random estuary]

wp

[chrome plover]

oh no

[mossy fox]

damn

[tardy lark]

so now i have 636 bracers 🙂

[chrome plover]

huge

[mossy fox]

could be worse i guess

[tardy lark]

instead of 2 626 big stat items

[mossy fox]

when do boes become actual boes

[chrome plover]

when rwf is over i think

probs next reset?

[mossy fox]

i haven't upgraded my 619 helm/boots with mythic crests cause i'm counting on boes

[chrome plover]

i took boots from vault

how many bosses is 2 raid slots?

is it 6?

[random estuary]

6 is 3 slots

its 2 4 6 i think ?

[chrome plover]

oh that's mad

[random estuary]

(raid bosses for slots in vault)

[warm crag]

Noob lol

[chrome plover]

ok

[radiant plank]

Just farm the bops

[floral olive]

I’m 616 and stupidly run out of runed crests. And I can’t up hero gear to up it by gilded:)

[chrome plover]

we killed so much trash after rashanan last night

didnt bother pulling ovinax

no boe(p)s

[vale dove]

all blizzard say first few weeks of mythic iirc

[iron portal]

thanks for the tip

[compact siren]

🪞

[warm crag]

Fuck

[clever belfry]

Just loot helmet with socket after 3 trash packs

?

[compact siren]

🧀

[dire badge]

🪤

[dusty cove]

When using berserk's torment, do you still pop recklessness and avatar together? or stagger?

wondering if the actualy CD resets the time you get of the free one

[warm crag]

Reported u already

[clever belfry]

i didnt join the exploit farms

I will stay clean of that shit

[warm crag]

My socketed mythic helmets are from organic vault farms

[clever belfry]

noob -1 (?) upgrade level

[warm crag]

Gg no re

[clever belfry]

(he has mythic wep wo he Sims higher anyway)

[warm crag]

Ye it was - 1

[warm crag]

Not allowed to upgrade hc treach so u Sim higher gg

[compact siren]

[warm crag]

[weary sail]

Tfw people roll needs on gear that they dont need, in order to sell it

[compact siren]

Me

[clever belfry]

That is

[warm crag]

Wimmy loot situation

[clever belfry]

so grief

[feral ivy]

I do that … I’m poor

[warm crag]

Idk im upgrading after rashanan idc

If trinket drops and he doesn't trade it to me I will??? him

[weary sail]

I hope you step on lego bricks

[compact siren]

Wimmywonwon is dying on the floor as we speak

[weary sail]

😡

[warm crag]

Victory rush

@compact siren thoughts on fury being squishy

[clever belfry]

Is there no one that can take rash trinket as actual uppie

Surely...

[feral ivy]

To buy socketx5 and the gems I need is over 100k

[compact siren]

Both true and real

[clever belfry]

fax and troo

[iron portal]

613 without Spell reflect i got him to 19%

It was definitely fine just spell reflect to secure kill lol

[clever belfry]

maybe i should try thjs

[molten wing]

what do you spell reflect in p2 or its not working anymore ?

[clever belfry]

but i dont wanna delve

[iron portal]

Aoe fear in phase 2

[steep cloud]

new to fury if im understanding right CB>BB>RB>Rampage>BT in st and CB>BB>Rampage>BT>RB in aoe?

[warm crag]

Idk

[molten wing]

sometimes brann forgets to dispell me as well

i could be tripping but it seems like it

[weary sail]

What is up with the prices of enchanting / pots / mats / upgrades this expansion??? Everything is so crazy expensivr

Compared to DF

[warm crag]

Noob filter

U can just use t2 enchants ye

[compact siren]

Reported

[rigid stirrup]

They will eventually go down in price but you shouldn't be using t3 enchants unless it's your absolute bis or hero track gear

[molten wing]

the reason is , there is a certain reagent in most of them that blizzard made super rare for some reason , i think they even fucked up this reset and made the reagent even MORE rare

[plucky ice]

even r2 are ridiculous prices

[molten wing]

its the tinderbox , one of them is like 10-12k gold

[plucky ice]

fking boot enchant almost 10k

[molten wing]

and some of the enchants/mats require them

[clever belfry]

Imma b real
most shit wont crash very hard

Unless they change how profs work

[iron portal]

just clear yourself with charge

[mossy fox]

was it after most recent changes

[molten wing]

its after i've done the clear it does have the cd

[iron portal]

Today Crit

[mossy fox]

ye so after changes

[clever belfry]

maybe dont be 613?

[iron portal]

Avatar/BS . Bran has internal cd i think on it

[mossy fox]

not sure how it is now but those changes sound massive

removed a lot of the pain points

[iron portal]

I did get to 70% before nerfs but i was 608 , wasnt making dps checks on eggs

[clever belfry]

raz maybe get more gear first

[plucky ice]

just get fed gear man ez

[clever belfry]

[mossy fox]

610 i was killing eggs with OF reck bs 45s roar

[clever belfry]

:) 626 gang

[iron portal]

Well yes, I am just giving my point of view

[mossy fox]

then alternate with avatar/pot/trinket as needed

[weary sail]

Like drums are 5k??? Flask are 3k, enchants are 30k

Insane

[molten wing]

the mats for drums cost around 4k

to make one drum

[clever belfry]

yeah drums are stupid

[weary sail]

It was 300g last expansion

[plucky ice]

wtf that's illegal

[weary sail]

Doesnt make sense

[clever belfry]

nah like 15

[mossy fox]

it's super rough though and kinda just run out of juice eventually cause i have to overuse cooldowns when boss forces me to drop the cocoon with frontals/fear etc,

[clever belfry]

if i go boe farm i can get 627.5

[feral ivy]

I’m now 620 I think or more

[molten wing]

with how gold is currently i might have to sacrifice baby diapers and buy some gold tokens

[feral ivy]

I got mythic wep in vault and THANKFULLY I crafted 636 wep so my second wep didn’t have to use crest

[weary sail]

And we used to be able to make decent gold w dragon flying

That is a rip

Someday blizzard will give warriors utilities aka bloodlust

[river viper]

seems aug/ret/mage/rsham/druid/dk tank is the meta now seeing that appear over and over

[feral ivy]

And rogue

[river viper]

yeah some rogues also

[weary sail]

Warriors arent bad but we are just middle of the pack now

But then why we getting nerfed

[sick jungle]

kneejerk reaction from blizz

[plucky ice]

blizz saw fury good in normal and lfr

time for hammer

[feral ivy]

Our cd line up perfectly I think that’s why (I don’t play other classes)

[river viper]

going to have to start doing my own keys if I want to continue playing as fury spent last 30 min trying to get into a +9 😦

[weary sail]

Remember next tier everyone purposely play like shit during heroic week so we get buff

[weary sail]

Whenever I do keys nowadays theres like 30 dps for 1 tank, and honestly no reason to take a fury warrior right now in M+ its no longer S tier

[molten wing]

@iron portal well god bless the spell reflect thing

[charred tapir]

i've read the faqs, still not clear on what embellishment should i use for 50:50 fury raiding & prot mythic+

[iron portal]

They nerfed old ones and people trying to capitalize on it now

[river viper]

I know, week 1 would be instant invite to anything

[iron portal]

So good isnt it

[river viper]

Alternative tactic would be to apply to lower score groups doing a +9 and try and boost the key

[warm crag]

This isn't a fury issue it's an everyone wants to do 9s for gilded crests issue

[molten wing]

[forest owl]

wait what is that on?

[iron portal]

ya

[feral ivy]

Zeks lair

[forest owl]

the frontal?

[feral ivy]

Fear

[forest owl]

ah

[molten wing]

fear in phase 2

[weary sail]

And this is just a +7. Good luck getting in as DPS if you are just average io / ilvl lol

[river viper]

lol only 127

[feral ivy]

I’m doing 9a and 10s and when I post my key it all depends on what dungeon .. mist and dawn and arakara ALOT of inv but others none

[weary sail]

I did a siege +10 yesterday and the last boss is still cursed

Its easier now for sure but

That boss is stupid

[paper iron]

How are people feeling about the nerfs? I was happy to coming back to my warrior for fury and actually tanking m+ for once

[river viper]

wish the AOE dot was reflectable

[feral ivy]

If your doing a siege get a aff warlock and imp the debuff

[paper iron]

Me and a guildie were thinking of rerolling :/

[weary sail]

Slam + dot = almost instant one shot

[warm crag]

It should be

Just impossible to time it

[clever belfry]

good thing u have timers

[clever belfry]

if it were to work u gotta send ref before the cast goes out

[feral ivy]

When slam comes out go in def stance

[clever belfry]

so about ~5s before the imter

xdd

[warm crag]

Garms said u can

[clever belfry]

garmussy

[warm crag]

Just impossible to do consistently

[clever belfry]

look at boss when it fires out the balls

u gotta send before then if he isnt LYING

[feral ivy]

If you bring a aff warlock and he use the imp you will NOT have any deaths from the dot

[weary sail]

Does it reduce the dot dmg?

[feral ivy]

Removes it

[weary sail]

Praying for a Liquid kill and win today 🙏

[queen linden]

I was fine with random ques the first couple days, but I've gotten unlucky with drops, so I'm hamstrung by my ilvl. 614 2k io and Itll take me 30+ minutes to get into a key group

Just for them to wipe on the first trash pull and leave the group. 😂

This might be the first expansion where I actively look for a keys group instead of pugging.

[near wing]

Feel like this is the story of my life too…

[queen linden]

Idk if anyone feels like this, but in the 6-8 range, there's a lot of people who have 0 business doing any key higher than a 2.

[mint cloud]

So fury got nerfed again? I couldn't find any of the recent changes on wowhead.

[queen linden]

DPS doing 400k ST and 600k overall.

[queen linden]

Yes. BS and OF got target cap reduced from 8 to 5

Or was it roar as well. I forget.

[mint cloud]

I wondering why my damage seemed to take a slight dive in pluses last night.

[feral ivy]

My friends went into a 10 stone vault with a 600 ilvl prot pally and 1500 i.o and they were only 8 mins over timer

[mint cloud]

Thought I was just playing like shit tbh

[queen linden]

And these are nerfs coming in 11.0.5

[weary sail]

Nerfs are not live until november

So ye u probs just play like shit lol

[mint cloud]

Aaa ok so I was playing like shit lol

[feral ivy]

Oct 20

[queen linden]

Probably just playing like shit lol

[feral ivy]

Will be the patch

[queen linden]

only

[mint cloud]

Ty

[weary sail]

If these changes go live, im rolling Arms

[sick jungle]

just don't compare yourself to ret pallys

[queen linden]

Word on the street, they're buffing our ST

[feral ivy]

The patch comes Oct 22 or Oct 29

[weary sail]

Or frost dk, or rogue, or enhance, or mage, or ele, or

[queen linden]

And by word on the street, I mean me coping

[sick jungle]

i gave up on trying to push to get 9's done this week and geared up my boomy

[weary sail]

Listen i am fine with fury being middle of the pack, and a small niche in burst aoe. But then why nerf us even further that doesnt make sense

[sick jungle]

pretty fun being an aoe god

[sick jungle]

i usually don't doom and just play what I like but even seeing crit doom was sadge

[weary sail]

He looks like hes about to cry in that video

[rich marlin]

Feels shitty to spend all the time getting crafted gear, investing all the time and then the spec gets nerfed under the ground

[sick jungle]

anyone got that anime gif of them pulling the sheet over fury

[paper iron]

We'll all play frost dk's

[weary sail]

And the funniest thing is from all this, Arms getting stray nerfed too for some reason

Its like blizzard said “these fury dare swap to arms after nerfs? Lets nerf arms too”

[sick jungle]

I got ksm so I'm happy for now with my warr, messing about with boomkin rn and it's damn fun

[weary sail]

Arms getting nerfed in AoE is the craziest nerf ever

[rich marlin]

Already gearing up the dk for that reason, warrior aside from prot feels like it's gonna be dead after patch

[sick jungle]

just gonna have to play arms

[paper iron]

Arms is getting nerved

Nerfed*

Soon prot is gonna have ignore pain taken away

[dense elbow]

Because certain forces at play don't like the burst AoE niche and is killing it. All, likely, so they can push a more flat damage profile for Fury
They going to kill OF/TR to the point of only being a practical mini burst tool for raid.
Then they going to increase our core rotationals.

In other words: boring AF dam profile rework

[weary sail]

Im coping that they buff our ST and sustained AoE to compensate

[leaden wasp]

what ilvl is crafted 619 gear if u give t2 mats to the crafter?

[chrome plover]

higher rank mats just make it easier to craft at max level

so probably for most crafters rank 4 instead of rank 5 (619)

[leaden wasp]

thanks for the quick info. and what is rank4? 616?

[chrome plover]

not sure but that sounds right

[dense elbow]

No need to cope, that is the only logical endgame of this travesty

[crisp bronze]

As arc has stated a few times fury is just the fastest burst aoe not even the best

[rigid stirrup]

The amount of whispers I get for 10 mist is insane

[chrome plover]

hooly coping on the cope

[near wing]

Why do we get into mists but everything else is difficult, my experience is similar. Only high level key groups I can get into is mists

[dense elbow]

Cause mist is free

[near wing]

Which is wired because most concentrated packs in my experience is NW and SoB

[rigid stirrup]

I think gb and siege are the only two that are "difficult"

[feral ivy]

True

[near wing]

Really? I find NW the hardest

[bitter palm]

idk siege isnt that hard

[haughty tendon]

Siege is much easier after nerfs

[rigid stirrup]

NW is hard if your dps is bad on third boss

[crisp bronze]

I've been hearing alot of seige keys are bricked cause of affix spawning in the water

[near wing]

Yup

[bitter palm]

for me gb and stone vault but i havent done keys this week

[rigid stirrup]

I've been away since siege nerfs but I have a 10 of it waiting in my bags since I was waiting till they fixed the affix bugs

Stone vault cheese spot for twin boss still work?

[frank dawn]

Stonevault is fine until the twin machinists and that last hallway

holy shit that last hallway lol

after the changes to the twins, it's just a hard fight

[feral ivy]

Do you mean the hallway to the last boss? It’s EASY just kill totems

And don’t pull more than 2 rock guys

[pale lava]

is there any way of dealing with this giga overtuned shit besides popping a personal and a health pot if needed?

[feral ivy]

Where is that from

[pale lava]

arakara spiders

the big hanging one

[feral ivy]

2nd captain?

[pale lava]

ye

[feral ivy]

Tbh I never put a def during that I just victory rush for heal

[dense elbow]

I just delete them with damage currently didn't know they were an issue

+10 life, no thoughts, only Zug Zug

[pearl crypt]

How hard we doomin lads

[dense elbow]

Currently we are just about fine

[tawny shadow]

Im prot now

[dense elbow]

With changes, we looking a bit poor

[cold silo]

How do you maximize dmg in mythic+ without pulling agro in fights? Last night I kept dying in necrotic wake because once the tank gathered a group I would pop all my cds and pull agro and die

[dense elbow]

Not dead in the water, but close

[rigid stirrup]

Sounds like a bad tank

[dense elbow]

Play with a better tank

[vale dove]

wont be a problem next week anyway

[tawny shadow]

Defensive stance enraged regen shockwave

https://tenor.com/view/survive-live-win-tropicthunder-rdj-gif-5129499

[cold silo]

Yeah I think the problem is my tank, I have run with other tanks and I don’t pull agro

[vale dove]

dnt get me wrong

if ur charging in at the start of pulls

and popping all cds

ur gonna get agro

[dense elbow]

If you pull threat as Fury, and you gave them time to set up - then it is simply a bad tank
Don't worry about it

[tawny shadow]

I rarely dont pull threat from my tank, but im a pug only kinda guy so idk

[rigid stirrup]

I just wait till everyone else starts hitting them

[tawny shadow]

Even after their set up and few gcd after

[vale dove]

^

[cold silo]

Well for example if I have reck/ava/troar up, how many globals should I wait before popping, to let them gather agro

[crisp bronze]

Prot war is the only tank I haven't consistently pulled off of

[tawny shadow]

With the nerf its gonna fix our threat problems

[tawny shadow]

^

[vale dove]

just watch the tanks damage on that pull if ur really concerned

usually u can just shockwave if u get agro and the tank gets agro back

[rigid stirrup]

Shockwave and run

[cold silo]

hmm okay but shockeave doesn’t stun a lot of mobs

[rigid stirrup]

Or my personal favorite Shockwave and spam ping the mob that is aggro on you

[tawny shadow]

Yeah, i just pop enraged regen shockwave jump back charge back in and usually tanks get threat back and you dont die in 10s

[rigid stirrup]

Cap

[unreal sedge]

hey i need help with something:does race change fuck my mythic id?

[cold silo]

I think my tank is bad because sometimes I get chunked 3 times and die and he should have taunted by then

[rigid stirrup]

Shockwave literally stuns whole packs

[vale dove]

or just play Arms

no agro problems

[quick zodiac]

Well do u insta pop?

[vale dove]

🫡

[tawny shadow]

The only mobs that dont get shockwaves are usually the big mobs of the pack that the tank is usually building the most threat on tbh

[cold silo]

I was giving him like 2-3 globals before popping

[dense elbow]

Depends on tank type - for warrior wait for 1 global after clap. For BDK wait for DND to drop and 2 gcds. For VDH wait 3 GCD of immo. For druid wait for 2nd stack of trash if no CDs. So on and on
All tanks got tools to do snap threat building. Just that most don't know or or that they should

[crisp bronze]

I know on broodtwister I've had to hold cds for a few sec or the big spiders have me catching hands

[quick zodiac]

Well in pugs I give them some time to get Aggro

[vale dove]

gotta take the tank n to consideration too if its for example a brew monk there casks etc have travel time

[cold silo]

my main guild tank is a monk, he’s the one I am having trouble pulling agro from, our pally tank always holds agro nicely

[quick zodiac]

With a pre I just pop shit cuz Ik he got me

[vale dove]

there we go then monks snap agros pretty slow

[quick zodiac]

I mainly play with dk

He got no issue

[verbal rivet]

Facts. If my raid tank is tanking I don’t even say warnings at this point. And when I’m tanking he just pulls the whole room on his healer while screaming “WE NEED MORE FRIENDS”. It’s a cycle.

[weary sail]

I ran a key yesterday with prot pally and tbh it went really smooth. So much easy interrupt and utilities. I think the outcries about prot pally is overstated

[quick zodiac]

When I play with my mate I go in first

[dense elbow]

If it is a guild tank, and you are on ok terms, talk to him. Ask if there is something he wants you think look for.
Don't ask him to fix his shit, ask for what you need to wait for

[quick zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[regal vector]

anyone else kind of feel their dmg fall off around the +9/+10 key range? When packs live long past your cooldowns.

[verbal rivet]

Me dying is between the healer and god

[quick zodiac]

Bro better save my ass

[weary sail]

Yes we are just mediocre when its end game keys now

[tawny shadow]

Had the homie intervene and cshout me i miss that tank ahah

[quick zodiac]

Well our burst is insane but it drops pretty fast

We can still manage High aoe tho

[weary sail]

Its not bad but we are no longer S tier

[bitter palm]

shouldnt be in 9s and 10s

[quick zodiac]

Considering we got odyns every pack

[vale dove]

Dont know how ret palas have avoided nerfs ngl

[quick zodiac]

And on some even 2 times

[verbal rivet]

They sandbag

[rigid stirrup]

Ret Pala are the mages of melee

[vale dove]

Rets pals damage is fucking cracked in M+

not to mention can do it all at range

[weary sail]

We shoulda just play like shit in heroic weeks to avoid nerfs

[quick zodiac]

Cause they got cds for every pack

[vale dove]

aye 30s cd on wings

[verbal rivet]

And god forbid someone die. Free CDs

[dense elbow]

Yes and no, 10 area seem to be just under the tipping point to me. Adds let me get full value and die shortly after. Expect the same for 11-12. 13-14 is prob when adds just live a bit too long

[quick zodiac]

To get some more dmg out u need a pre grp and call cds

[vale dove]

🤯

[tawny shadow]

Everyone grey parse in heroic so next week we get a 3% aura buff

[quick zodiac]

So u can get full use off avatar/reck

So u don’t pop everything on the same pack

[weary sail]

Im only auto attacking next week in my heroic re-clear to bring down the numbers

[regal vector]

U gunna lose to any decent ret in m+ even if they 5-10 ilevels lower than u

[verbal rivet]

Ngl I’d find it hilarious if they nerfed Bladestorm and buffed Ravager

[weary sail]

Gray parse 🙏

[tawny shadow]

Theyre gonna be nerfing our auto attacks

[verbal rivet]

If they are playing with both hands, and not watching anime on the second monitor. They should be winning any DPS comparison

Even then….

[dense elbow]

Overall Ret should and would have you beat

[tulip swallow]

Even if they don't have their bres and blessings on the bars they're better than us

[weary sail]

Warriors almost have 0 utilities. Still insane to me that Warriors dont have bloodlust, but Evoker do

[dense elbow]

Urgh not this convo again

[verbal rivet]

I heard my ret Pali crack open a drink mid burst while doing 1M sustained on a M+ boss

[spiral shell]

591 ilvl ret pal dropping 1.4 million dps yesterday pretty dumb

[weary sail]

Its in the name thematically, whos better to have bloodlust than warriors

[nimble ermine]

lust on war will not fix the issue

[weary sail]

It will help

[dense elbow]

Cause Ret burst is a 1 button sequence macro over 5 sec

[nimble ermine]

it will most certainly not

[weary sail]

Also im not paying 5k for drums

[verbal rivet]

It wouldn’t

[verbal rivet]

Mentally, that hurt

[nimble ermine]

because why bring war over mage then

if they both have lust

[verbal rivet]

Or Enh Shaman

[weary sail]

Physical M+ comp

[verbal rivet]

Has self revive, better DPS, and List

[nimble ermine]

physical m comp

[verbal rivet]

*lust

[nimble ermine]

good meme

[weary sail]

It was good last expansion

[dense elbow]

It is a thing tho

[weary sail]

Warr rogue monk

They timed 26-27s with it last expansion

[verbal rivet]

As soon as RSham isn’t best healer for m+….then lust might be a thing for comp reasons.

[weary sail]

Its not exodia comp but it works

[nimble ermine]

yea but most likely it wont be this season

might be wrong cus meta still forming

[modest condor]

mage and evoker already bring lust

[burnt kelp]

All I'm getting from this conversation

[dense elbow]

Aug got lust, why worry about it

[nimble ermine]

as other people said, you want warrior utility, then warrior needs something unique

[verbal rivet]

Ik, meta comps have like 3 lusts lmao

[nimble ermine]

not lust

[burnt kelp]

Is to never forget the disgusgting massive sandbagging of ret paladins

Crying for over a month about doing less damage than tanks

[tulip swallow]

They removed all the damage from aug and it's still a problem spec, just admit it was a mistake and delete it

[dense elbow]

They didn't sandbag tho, their ability was broken

[modest condor]

i mean i wont say no to lust being added to warrior (never happening anyway) but it's not gonna make you any more likely to get invited

[burnt kelp]

Kill all ret paladins ( in game)

[nimble ermine]

add banners back to warriors and then we see what happens

[quick zodiac]

True, we do need to bring something tho

[verbal rivet]

Facts, hunter pets have more utility than wars rn.

[modest condor]

that's not true

[burnt kelp]

Hunter pets have more utility than every class if you count all of them

[quick zodiac]

We do not have a lot atm compared to other specs and classes

[nimble ermine]

wars utility is how fast it bursts in aoe

atm

[dense elbow]

We get one more annoying GCD into our opener, and we must now line up with other ppl CDs?

[quick zodiac]

It is better than it used to be

[eternal sundial]

No class can do the shit intervene can

[quick zodiac]

Being able to have bolt+ wave is neat

[nimble ermine]

can just add mop banners and call it a day

[quick zodiac]

• fear

[dense elbow]

Intervene only great in NW, no?

[quick zodiac]

But other classes just got more shit

[burnt kelp]

Warrior's fear is the most piss ability in the game

[dense elbow]

Only place I know intervene breaks mechanics

[burnt kelp]

Its fucking trash

Half the mobs are immune to fear and if they arent its capped at 5 and garbage anyway

[quick zodiac]

Why do we use intervene on queen

Btw for roots ?

[rigid stirrup]

Your CDs should lineup so you have of or bs for every set of roots

[eternal sundial]

Repentance in pve

[quick zodiac]

Y I do but I see people using intervene

For the fight

[rigid stirrup]

Idk they're weird ig

[quick zodiac]

Is it to help others in someway or ?

[eternal sundial]

It's an m+ thing for bosses that shoot

[nimble ermine]

mobility

[verbal rivet]

RWF or randos?

[eternal sundial]

Like nokhud

You can guarantee save someone from double arrow

[quick zodiac]

Nah just randoms

[eternal sundial]

It's nieche

But it's tech no one else can do

[dense elbow]

Shares node with blinding light, so - not applicable

[quick zodiac]

So could be that they just have it

[restive granite]

we did it boys

number 1 at being bad

[dense elbow]

We ain't that bad, we just got the job to kill things that don't show up

[heavy dock]

Is it the same at heroic?

[gusty cloak]

we taking powerful enrage over frenzied for m+ now?

[restive granite]

we always did

[dense elbow]

Powerful probs, but I do frenzed from time to time - same overall performance more or less

[heavy dock]

Frenzied feels a lot better imo

[dense elbow]

1.3m something with, 1.3m something without

[nimble ermine]

its preference

but powerful is better

[heavy dock]

Speed is also nice for dodging shit

[quick zodiac]

I mean that is in different dungs tho ? No?

[gusty cloak]

im seeing a few top warriors on raider.io that run frenzied

[heavy dock]

I see you

[restive granite]

are they on M+ spec?

[dense elbow]

Mist farm
Next mist I will go Thane

[modest condor]

because low haste sucks

[quick zodiac]

I actually like thane ngl

[heavy dock]

Critcake told me yday that he refuses to play powerful cuz of how it feels

[modest condor]

exactly

[forest owl]

anyone else seeing rets crush the meter in m+? like even with less gear

[modest condor]

fury with 20% haste is just not it

[heavy dock]

Amd tbh i get him

[nimble ermine]

just get a PI slag to buff you every 2 minutes and powerful will not feel like complete aids

[heavy dock]

I tried a few dungs with frenzied and omg its so much nicer

[dense elbow]

Ret got some of the best sustain AoE in the game, so ye, they are up there

[chrome canyon]

Hello, is there a difference between the Charged Claymore and the Charged Two hand axe ?

[nimble ermine]

no

[spare steppe]

No

[dense elbow]

Sword is better

[chrome canyon]

Thanks, wasn't sure because everybody is rocking the axe in the parses ahah

[river viper]

axe looks better 🙂

[dense elbow]

Sword ⚔️

[eternal sundial]

I made sword as it was cheaper

[modest condor]

polearm gang

[eternal sundial]

Still cost a lot...

[river viper]

axe 🪓

[chrome canyon]

No mace love ?

[modest condor]

i dont like int weapons

[river viper]

mace aka off hand for a mage

[dense elbow]

Nelf polearm animation

[eternal sundial]

Tmog Feature

[wet wraith]

the polearm looks cool but aint no way im dual wielding them things

[weary sail]

Critcake keeping the hopium alives for us warriors

[verbal rivet]

You’ve clearly never used weapons so big they clip into the floor.

[dense elbow]

Nah, Crit on doomium atm. Lincc is our copium dispenser.

[verbal rivet]

(Wish I had Cloudsong Glaive tho)

[dense elbow]

Don't think we got anyone delivering hopium, as there is no hope left to mine

[nimble ermine]

surely it won't be that bad

[verbal rivet]

(We still might get a 4th nerf after fury being MVP on Queen)

[spare steppe]

I mean the one plus is they haven’t nerfed mechanics so fury is hella fun to play

[dense elbow]

I am on doomium as they keep nerfing our burst.
I dont care if we get overall aura buffs on a flat profile

Flat is boring

[median token]

fun wont time my keys

[nimble ermine]

i just want st buffs big execute buffs

[spare steppe]

I’m not saying I’m not dooming

I’m full on dooming

But I’ll try and have fun while I doom if I somehow get into a key

[dense elbow]

You will get your will Mel, be happy. You and your fellow flat enjoyer will win this

[clever mural]

They will buff thane to the skies soon. Back on top then, trust 🙏

[nimble ermine]

i mean they clearly have no idea what to do with our spec

[wet wraith]

we still have things to make up and hold on to. we can pretend that blizzard is going to add some single target buffs to compensate

[eternal sundial]

Good reason to play war in Queen is that u can deflect web

Killing em doesnt make sense

[nimble ermine]

so breadcrumbs are good ig

[median token]

only way thane get buffed to being better is if fire mages shared it with us

[dense elbow]

Meh, we should just be glad if fury don't get totally taken out back and reworked.
As a rework will make sure to turn us to part of of world of flatcraft

[chrome plover]

wat

[nimble ermine]

did they ever say why they dont want slayer to be able to use ravager btw

[gaunt moat]

critcake dooming is the last nail in the coffin for me, i'm getting my old unholy dk or elemental shaman out i'm hesitating

[clever mural]

Gearing my boomie atm too

[verbal rivet]

Bc having uptime in burst is really good, and Bladestorm being this super iconic spell but just worse feels bad.

[median token]

play pink warrior, blizz clearly is turning a blind eye towards ret

[wet wraith]

fuck ret, play enhance

[pulsar quest]

1. Make a raid that relies on a lot of adds and webs and roots
2. nerf classes that have burst aoe (except only nerf one of those classes, actually buff fire mage and frost dl)
3. ???
4. Profit

[verbal rivet]

So they made a way for BS to be good

[gaunt moat]

already have a pink warrior in my m+ team

[dense elbow]

The copium take, and it got some hold to it, is that they are only killing the fun part of burst. Our sustained DPS will be buffed up to compensate

[nimble ermine]

unlucky, i think bs is lame

it is what it is i guess

[dense elbow]

If you find BS to be lame, play Thane

[nimble ermine]

ok it's not thay lame to the point where i gimp myself

[dense elbow]

As long you don't do ST fights, it keeps up

[verbal rivet]

You hope it will be compensated

[dense elbow]

It is that or Fury will simply fade into oblivion

[verbal rivet]

It’s fury my guy. We had our month of fun, back to the mines.

[dense elbow]

I had my fun on the beta

I am ready to wait another expansion for another beta

[chrome plover]

I’m still having fun doing 30% more than the rest of my raid on Ansurek and topping my silly little 9s and 10s

[dense elbow]

I am happy for you, I really am

[gaunt moat]

i don't trust them anymore my friend, i got betrayed too many times by blizzard!

i'll make a safe character on the side

in case they don't do it

[dense elbow]

If you don't trust the system, go to the forums and make yourself heard

It is the best way

[wet wraith]

i kinda just miss the days of slamming ravager every pull

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[river viper]

I wonder why they don't just balanced based on the content rather than just looking at the shitty raid

[dense elbow]

Raid is THE content

[river viper]

really? I have only ever viewed the raid as something I have to do in order to make me better in M+ lol

[dense elbow]

Wake up to reality, m+ is a sidemode

[wet wraith]

just shows a complete lack of vision to make fury the burstiest class in the game, and then design a raid where almost every boss plays to that strength, and then nerf that same burst before people even get 4 set

[torpid basalt]

LOL... I only M+ to get geared up to go and Raid

[dense elbow]

Hear hear

[clever mural]

I mainly do pvp and m+. You raiders keep gettin me nerfed

[pulsar quest]

You’re a side character buddy sorry

[crisp bronze]

Atleast fury can say they had 3 slots at one point in an rwf

[dense elbow]

Worst part is that the raiders want a flat profile, for their ST dam

[pulsar quest]

Frost dk had 4-5, surely they see a nerf right

[eternal sundial]

The way they they did fury aoe was rlly clever tbf as it fixed the issue of the imp ww target cap

Tuning it less bursty wouldve been doable by making of tick lower or something

IMO

[wet wraith]

i just would have been cool if they actually compensated for the nerfs with literally anything

[eternal sundial]

And let it pandemic

So Avatar isnt cringe with torment

[clever path]

srs does anyone know if that bloodbath crit dmg stuff that was on the PTR was removed at any point?

cause we were supposed to get bloodbath crit dmg for anniversary

[river viper]

how many weeks before the next set of nerfs hit? mid november or something?

[eternal sundial]

Post RWF

For sure

[median token]

allt they had to do is lower the initial hit and add more bleeding dmg with a longer duration to flatten the burst

[eternal sundial]

They dont like nerfing things they have the stats based on

[spare steppe]

I want our ST damage to be average

[eternal sundial]

As a "bad" nerf on a spec one of the guilds uses a lot and the other doesnt

Can Spiral into reprog and race loss

Which they dont want

[eternal sundial]

Our St in keys is still p good imo

[dense elbow]

In keys it is up there, in raid we do fine on princess. What is the problem?

[eternal sundial]

Fury is just kill a mob very death with cds

Rather than kill every mob a bit

[sick jungle]

what can we reflect on queen?

[eternal sundial]

It's a different profile damage than previous versions of fury

[sick jungle]

the root?

[eternal sundial]

The root yes

Deflect

Still spawns puddle

[sick jungle]

oh baby