fury

[strong pilot]

and im like

what

[wheat iron]

Im not competitive this expac I picke war cause it was my first class in WoW

[thick fossil]

Warriors should have it so at least one tank class can say they have it.

[gaunt moat]

Yh don't worry hunter lust makes sense

[wheat iron]

loool

[strong pilot]

yeah how is a pet having lust

smh

[hasty forum]

a tank with bl in m+ is gonna be bis tank bro can't have that, CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS FOR WARRIORS

[thick fossil]

It's a rabid animal and it gives the party rabies. IDK.

[strong pilot]

if you die of rabies right after the lust i'd accept it

[thick fossil]

lol

[wheat iron]

lol considering we are #4 most played class war should have some nice things

[spare steppe]

warriors are fun

[wheat iron]

more than mage that is lol but the company isn't named execute so no love for us =/

[dire rover]

At least make it so you cant take healthpots for 2 minutes

[wheat path]

just as Archimitros said in the update channel, they're directed to make fury less snipey but theyre nerfing the specs only real good dmg profile, nerfing while not buffing other abilities to even it out sucks

[gaunt moat]

You've mage giving bl because they manipulate time oh and also evoker giving bl because they manipulate time oh and also mage giving bl because they manipulate time

[autumn parcel]

Anyone know if the adds on mythic rashashan have any type of agro table or is it just fixate/focus someone to bite?

[gaunt moat]

[hasty forum]

Grommash Hellscream in this picture is under Bloodlust btw

but we can't have it

[wheat iron]

yeah I read that. I actually saw the nerf from Critcake's YT video he sounded pretty sadge

[dense elbow]

Well, we keep getting beat over the head with the bat - meanwhile we already kinda just clawing a hold.

[strong pilot]

critcake dooming its over

[wheat path]

Still cant forgive critcake for S4 tier

[orchid dagger]

Nope, fucking pve players

[verbal rivet]

Ngl lost all motivation to play my war. Probs done raiding for the season. Which sucks

[wheat path]

feel you brother

Sucks

[hasty forum]

same

[wheat path]

Wanting to go back to arms but i feel like its worse tbh with the overall TR nerf to both

[weary sail]

liquid benched all warrior except 1 for buffs

[dense elbow]

They would never

[strong pilot]

[dense elbow]

They just trying to trick echo

[wheat path]

The nerfs dont come into effect until 11.1

[dense elbow]

it is all smoke and mirrors

[dark frost]

These arent live though these are still ptr right

[wheat path]

Yes

[dark frost]

11.05

[weary sail]

exactly, its not like we are strong. and we STILL getting more nerfs

why

[hasty forum]

look at that juicy 4 evokers

fucking shit class

[dense elbow]

We are strong in raid, that is why - and we are strong.

[wheat path]

They hate browns

[dark frost]

Evoker is actually broken rn

Pres is bugged

And giga fucks

[weary sail]

4 evokers, 2 DK, DK top of the charts, better nerf Warriors 😭

also arms getting nerfed for some reason..

[wheat path]

This is what i hate the most

Arms had no reason to get nerfed

[verbal rivet]

Benching myself before my raid lead has to do it at this point

[dense elbow]

You will still be as viable as you was before

dont worry

In raid - nothing changes

[dark frost]

Battleshout is a hell if a drug

[dense elbow]

Them removing adds from the logs, was the worst idea ever. Dios mio.

[weary sail]

with adds

[hasty forum]

11.0.5 is anniversarry event right? can't nerf palas and dks bro they released insane sets for them, they want the people to do that event

[weary sail]

🙂

[tiny hare]

cant seen tô find the blue post about nerfs

[strong pilot]

no but the guy in my guild chat said they're always upper mid tier in raid

[dense elbow]

it is in the #news section, but it is also typed in #updates-midnight

[verbal rivet]

Like why tf would I grind a class that I know isn’t going to get played after next patch. Rather just push keys on my mage and get prepped for next season.

[hasty forum]

exactly

[strong pilot]

gearing a mage is always safe ngl

atleast one spec is gonna be good

[dense elbow]

Well, if the next raid got adds to snipe at our CD intervalls

then we still strong

[hasty forum]

bro is saying warrior is still good in raids

[dense elbow]

Just dont play anything but raid

[hasty forum]

you only raid like once a week

or sum shit

what about m+ when ur gonna be declined to every key

[verbal rivet]

Wild, my guild has some great floor decorations….so my ret palis are in like 95% wings

[dense elbow]

It is honestly annoying they keep nerfing and changing our DPS profile, to fit the raid.

[hasty forum]

because ur not a mage ur not evoker

[strong pilot]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes/534486/8

[verbal rivet]

I’m also second or third war. I’m expendable

[gaunt moat]

I just got a realization isn't mountain thane the worst single target even more now

[strong pilot]

maybe if they stopped spawning so much ads in lol

[fiery harbor]

we should have a warrior strike. give a list of demands and refuse to buff battle shout until our demands are met. wait what are our demands again? i want a helicopter

[dense elbow]

Maybe if we cared about killing the boss as the goalpost

[strong pilot]

MT is still 15% behind in ST iirc

[dense elbow]

not logs

[clever path]

gonna be honest. the nerf after nerf after nerf. is making ith ard to enjoy the spec

[dense elbow]

Adds gotta die, we kill adds - but that is part of the team to kill the boss.
We are glorified trash-clearers.
And that is fine - burst is fun

Now they kill this

[verbal rivet]

The buff isn’t even necessary unless you pushing mythic.

[torpid sand]

dw, they will nerf it again and you will keep playing with it

[fiery harbor]

wait guys i got it! lets stop using battle shout and then our logs will appear 5% lower so blizz will surely buff us by 5% right??

[clever path]

no ill go arms lol only do single target in raid

[torpid sand]

be a chad and have equipment for both specs

[dense elbow]

Just play arms, always ST

let DH handle adds

Clearly Fury is not the chosen one for that task

[hasty forum]

yeah just go arms

[strong pilot]

better yet go prot kek

[fiery harbor]

but i hate having to apply rend

[verbal rivet]

I hate how much the target cap messes with Raid fights….Broodtwister is way more then 5

[tidal kindle]

4444444444444444444444444

Oops

That explains a lot

[noble oracle]

boycott

[hasty forum]

Ion Hazzikostas woke up one day and thought to himself " Hmmmn today i should make it so that aoe in wow is capped "

[verbal rivet]

*but not mage

Bc ✨ balance ✨

[formal scaffold]

Well, the good news is that if they keep hitting our AoE, maybe eventually we'll get a bit of single target love.

[hasty forum]

copium

[mint abyss]

Should I play another class

[formal scaffold]

Copium indeed. 😄

[verbal rivet]

I don’t want to see a world where Bladestorm is so useless, that we are good ST DPS

[fiery harbor]

at least bladestorm isnt a set-up button like it was in df

[tiny hare]

bladestorm and execute should always be exciting tô use

[fiery harbor]

yes

[red berry]

cooldowns in general should have value

[verbal rivet]

I haven’t noticed any executes doing much of anything

[fiery harbor]

execute hits less than rampage and abandon

[red berry]

they're cooldowns

[verbal rivet]

That’s a buff button rn

[potent sinew]

Hey Blizzard if you are making everything capped at 5 do shockwave next.

[void ridge]

Battleshout next too, 1 warrior per party

[formal scaffold]

Rage is now capped at 5.

[fiery harbor]

lol

[dire rover]

Why not just remove warriors

[supple hemlock]

When Heroic Leap Cap ?

[formal scaffold]

It's also capped at 5. Enjoy more jumping.

[dire rover]

Then we all become frost DK mains 🥳

[quartz tulip]

doing more overall damage at 598 ilvl than my 613 fury warrior as survival

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-peak-fiction-absolute-cinema-gif-8477083568112127482

[formal scaffold]

Well that's promising. 🤣

[dry hawk]

my damage profile in keys has been a lot of RB, is BT before it?

[hasty forum]

ir was fun while it lasted boys

[quartz tulip]

welcome

this is now the survival hunter discord

[formal scaffold]

Might be time to put my ridiculously too high amount of crit to use and play Arms for a bit.

I knew I was getting too many Crit drops for a reason.

[dry hawk]

I'm like crit heavy lol

[formal scaffold]

Nonsense.

[merry night]

Reroll class is dead we’re doomed

[dry hawk]

what they break now?

[void ridge]

Been a good time lads, see you over in the Acherus discord

[merry night]

They nerfed us 3 times in a row & they’re making us unplayable as a spec

We’re all rerolling DKs

[dense elbow]

Devs clearly trying to put a stop to our burst.
That is what is going on.
Too good in early raid - nerfs to balance this - all other content suffer.

[merry night]

Tbh is fury even viable in M+ if they actually do this patch? I know ptr doesn’t stick but this could be bad

[dense elbow]

Sure, viable. You can do a 10

We just wont be an option you prefer to bring

[rotund steppe]

So I have tier helm and gloves. What are the next best 2 slots for tier: Shoulders vs Legs vs Chest. I can catalyst 1 and splunker another.

[modest condor]

"why is my ability not going off???"

[void ridge]

legs 100%

as they have haste/mast

[merry night]

Yeah I kinda figured we’d be prolly one of the worse melee m+ options

[tidal kindle]

It's only BT

Who cares

RB hit

Exe hit

Ramp hit

[merry night]

Imagine blizz was like my fault big dog lemme buff RB and CB instead of nerfing yall

[dense elbow]

That is the worst timeline - even more push into a flat damage profile

They gutting the burst, they keep gutting it.

[formal scaffold]

I mean, I think the worst timeline is just nerfs with no compensation buffs anywhere. 😄

[dense elbow]

Nah

just delete fury

I take that over flat profile

[merry night]

Time to level an Enh, ele, any DK or arcane and just pump without worrying about getting my class gutted

[formal scaffold]

I think you could probably still make us somewhat bursty if you did something like bonus Bladestorm damage to a target you Rampaged, or had Odyn's or Roar buff RB / CB / Rampage for a duration.

That way at least it would still be windowed, but less AoE focused.

[dense elbow]

The goal is to kill off the burst, you cant move more damage into it.

[formal scaffold]

The goal is to kill the AoE burst, it seems.

[merry night]

Yeah they don’t want us pulling 7mil no more on a 1:30 burst

[dense elbow]

Indeed, and that is what I am against.

[merry night]

Where we essentially fall off the planet in that time frame

[formal scaffold]

Ah, well then you're probably just out of luck, and meanwhile I'm trying to see where they could give us SOMETHING. 😄

Since it seems BIG AoE BURST is what they have an issue with.

[merry night]

RB and BT buffs

[dense elbow]

They can give us something - a flat profile, and aura buffs

[merry night]

Is what they need

[tidal kindle]

Broodtwister boss dam

Broodtwister add dam

Better nerf fury though am I right

[willow cradle]

huge

[tidal kindle]

[willow cradle]

Nice new name Garms

[tidal kindle]

Arms bad fury bad (in terms of how feel to play)

Omw to tank prison

[void ridge]

Guys guys, its ok, it really is. Fury Warriors bring so much utility to m+ scenarios we will still be picked over classes who have nothing, like monks/dh/dk/pallies.

[red berry]

blizzard tends to look at the wrong numbers when it comes to balancing

[buoyant salmon]

@tidal kindle are u guys desynced

[red berry]

fury's nerf were obviously kneejerk

[tidal kindle]

No

[red berry]

granted, probably justified

[tidal kindle]

😄

[buoyant salmon]

1 rips avatar on pull and 1 rips on first egg

[keen forum]

Blizz devs don’t know how to tune warrior. They haven’t in years. They don’t know what they are doing and they are 100% happy with it being bad

[buoyant salmon]

ooo

[merry night]

Yeah ur done buddy I’m rerolling and using my 3 gold capped characters to get a crazy frost DK where I spam obliterate and delete everything in my path while having breath going for 40 seconds

[tribal flint]

Are We Cooked

[dense elbow]

We only in trouble if the trend continues. Though, it might have reached a tipping point.

[merry night]

All I know is

[keen forum]

It’s 3 consecutive nerfs. It is already a trend

[merry night]

Fuck Walmart, Fuck Mike Wayne, Fuck Ronald and Fuck Microsoft

[dry hawk]

do we only hit execute at 3 slayer stacks?

[merry night]

Who knows when it’s gold I press it and I 99 parse

We don’t have brain cells here that’s why they’re nerfing us

[cinder hinge]

I want to make a fury alt for some title level keys. Am I trolling ?

[merry night]

Yeah the spec is done buddy roll a dk or shammy

[dense elbow]

You can do it as fury, it is all about the work getting a team together more than anything.

[sinful spoke]

too late to reroll?

[dense elbow]

Will it be easier as another spec/class, most likely.

[merry night]

I’m about to go throw hands w mike Wayne I’m so mad

[keen forum]

Have fun getting a team together with a fury unless those ppl already know and like you

[buoyant salmon]

no ur gear is pretty mid

can get that in just a full heroic

get to rerollin

[supple hemlock]

16 ilvl less on a blue or red class - more dps :^)

[sinful spoke]

true

[nocturne dragon]

welcome to prot then.

[nocturne dragon]

like a welldone steak or maybe beyond that.

[dense elbow]

Good thing that is fine, some prefer welldone

[formal scaffold]

Those people are incorrect. 😛

[dense elbow]

indeed they are

[odd star]

seems abpout right. i lost to my 602 ret buddy as 611 fury in overall in a key yday

i could only beat him on bosses

[merry night]

We’re like if I fell asleep and it sat on the grill for two hours cooked

[spare steppe]

i know we're doomin, but how do you time leaping to break Wrest for heroic Ansurek?

[odd star]

guys whats stronger
assa
ret
ww

[distant isle]

im about to play Paladin

[merry night]

ret

[buoyant salmon]

sin

[odd star]

thing about assa is that blizz likes to overnerf assa

when its strong

[buoyant salmon]

it has been super super good since 10.1.5

[merry night]

Play ret

[odd star]

so im scared of getting blizzed again

ret is always safe

[buoyant salmon]

besides for 10 years before their ww

rework

[merry night]

Yeah wings go brrrrr

[night stone]

Why the fuck is it blizz can let mage do mage tings for 3 years but fury is top tier in week one of a raid and we just get slammed 3 times in a row

[merry night]

It’s Mike Wayne and Ronald’s fault

[odd star]

mage = privileged fat cat ceo
warrior = 9 to 5 honest worker

[merry night]

That’s who we need to blame

[feral ivy]

do u think they put this nerf on PTR so we get mad and when it doesnt go through we wont be mad and forget and calm down about the nerf we just got

[formal scaffold]

Is Blizzard a Mage spell or a Warrior spell? There's an answer. 😄

[merry night]

No I’ll never forget what Mike Wayne and Ronald tried to do to us

[feral ivy]

i bet thats what there going to do

not send this and no one will be mad over the nerfs

[merry night]

Critcake needs to save us

In cakeman we trust

[blissful delta]

Critcake is basically the last airbender

[night stone]

Honestly dont care much about the first nerf, didnt really need the 3% on top but w/e im still about on par with My ret friend on overall in keys, though he just blows me out of the Water on 3very other pack due to broken wings every 30 sec shit lol

[merry night]

The vid he did he was just speechless at how bad we are gonna be 🤣

[clever path]

if they are gonna nerf our burst aoe they need to up our sustained aoe and single target.

[dense elbow]

If they go that route, we already lost

[odd star]

more likely the nerf is actually worse than ptr as it was with the 3% fiasco

[night stone]

Nerf CD's to reduced above 5 and then buff Meatcleaver to 8 targets

[odd star]

is ur friend uh...good at the game?

[feral ivy]

we need a answer of why mages is ALWAYS on top dmg and never get nerfed but once we breath on top of the leader board they throw us down

[merry night]

🤣🤣🤣

You ain’t need to do em like that

[odd star]

ret well piloted in m+ will do more dps than fury well piloted if both have gear

[austere apex]

Feels like they amputating legs over here

[feral ivy]

i mean we need more dmg because we dont bring crap to m+ other than love

[night stone]

Not the best Not the worst kind of deal

[dry hawk]

😦

[tawdry atlas]

They are testing your faith brother do not fail

[odd star]

that just means you're good
keep carrying warriors to the top king

[solemn oyster]

how are you guys using cds on heroic brood

[night stone]

100% a cooldown as strong and potent as wings shouldnt be on 30 sec cd idc what anyone says

[feral ivy]

im in way too deep my warrior is 617 with a lot of hero bis

[dry hawk]

this +6 doesnt feel right damage wise

[merry night]

I’m 622 brother I’m fuckin cooked

[blissful delta]

thats a lot of ramps

[supple hemlock]

if only on our other spec a button called "Skullsplitter" would not exist

[blissful delta]

press cb rb more

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-mateo-superstore-sign-of-the-cross-prier-gif-9684878

[dry hawk]

210 casts >.<

[odd star]

im 612 and contemplating going back to street fighter lol

[dry hawk]

cb or rb first?

[odd star]

cb first

[blissful delta]

^

[odd star]

waait what

if u have cb u cant press rb?

[blissful delta]

cb is the buffed version of rb

[merry night]

I’m about to reroll healer

[night stone]

I dont think i can stop playing fury, gameplay too good and im hardstuck in zug zug brain

[tawdry atlas]

We simply must play 4% better in keys and 20% better in aoe

[dry hawk]

well... I meant bt or rb

[storm rune]

bt in aoe, rb in st

[weary sail]

"fury is OP in M+" 🤡

[feral ivy]

lets be honest if all warriors were not in groups with friends they would be not inv to pugs and would be more mad about these nerfs

[storm rune]

prot fucks

[solemn oyster]

why did arms catch strays for fury nerfs

[dense elbow]

Warbringer was OP

it is what itis

[clever path]

i cant even get invited to pugs lol i spent hours trying to. have had to beg guildies for runs so far

almost 1800 io kek

[formal scaffold]

Fury nerfs just spilled over since we couldn't hold them all. Sorry!

[solemn oyster]

nerfing warbringer is crazy 😔

[upbeat pulsar]

Sir, Another nerf has hit the class

[solemn oyster]

prep the reroll

[upbeat pulsar]

Already got my Enhance shaman ready to go

[storm rune]

What was WB's cap previously? I feel like it was one of the rare uncapped ones

[merry night]

I have a 80 Enh wtf do I even press

[upbeat pulsar]

please dont make me do it blizz i have mained fury since legion

[upbeat pulsar]

Everything

[sick jungle]

already rerolled arcane

[buoyant salmon]

just play the fucking class

[merry night]

Whatever is gold?

[buoyant salmon]

or dont

[nocturne dragon]

[upbeat pulsar]

basically. You build your MSW stacks then spend em.

[merry night]

Is it easy to learn or do I reroll back to UH/Frost

[tribal flint]

im leveling a warlock

[feral ivy]

i would love to but im 2293 i.o and a 620 i.o declined me from a 4

[storm rune]

Let's petition blizz to bring back double heroic leap, if we're not allowed to be OP we should get a mobility compensation

[upbeat pulsar]

I would say Enhance is one of if not the hardest melee to learn

[merry night]

Fuck

[quartz tulip]

enhance is a cluster fuck of whack a mole

[storm rune]

Enhance is harder on paper than it is in practice

[feral ivy]

give us Battle rez lol

[quartz tulip]

press every lit fuckin button

[night stone]

Stormbringer build really isnt that hard

[merry night]

Lmfaoooo that’s insane

[feral ivy]

survival hunter is really good atm

are they?

[fiery storm]

What is this chart it has resto shaman at no 3? Lol

[feral ivy]

its points*

[quartz tulip]

survival slams

wanna know why

because no one plays them so they get untouched and no one notices how fuckin cracked tey are

[night stone]

Stormbringer enhance is mostly just build maelstrom, send tempest or cl on aoe and lb on st and send wolves on cd and pray for nature dogs

[storm rune]

Its been the best spec since vanilla, of course surv rocks

[upbeat pulsar]

Stormbringer is very satisfying to play

fuck totemic

totemic can die in a ditch for all i care

[feral ivy]

surv is FUN as fuck to play as

[quartz tulip]

survival plays better than fury warr

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[odd star]

arms is a 9 to 5 worker just like fury
he'll take the boss's command from behind and like it

[storm rune]

Does surv still have a CD reset on kill with harpoon? It used to be the most ridiculously mobile class

[odd star]

dude

surv might be the actual play

NICE going chat

[dry hawk]

I feel like you don't smack execute unless you have 3 MfE stacks or proc and reck/ava/ramp/tr/bs/ramp/of is what I've been doing

[odd star]

i have hope

now

i dig playing surv

[merry night]

We all need to reroll and get high parses on classes so they get gutted too

But same class

[odd star]

lets all reroll to enhance then

[quartz tulip]

no ty

survival hunter bis

[merry night]

Death to enhance

[odd star]

oh yeah i like having fun

so i wont touch enhance with 100 ft pole

[dry hawk]

I had to make enhance auras for a friend and it wasn't fun

[storm rune]

This looks like a pain in the ass to micro manage on add fights

[quartz tulip]

dont even think about it

just throw bombas and butcher

[merry night]

Do I try ranged for the first time ever?

Or do I just send it on DKs again

[storm rune]

Bro you never played ranged?

[quartz tulip]

trust me on the survival hunter

[storm rune]

Fucking send it, play the game on casual for once

[merry night]

Never

[quartz tulip]

you can chain spam explosive shot

in their face

[merry night]

I literally don’t have a singular ranged class lol

Never tried any of them just seemed boring

[quartz tulip]

its like half ranged half melee it works well

[storm rune]

what you don't like pressing arcane blast 50 times in a row?

[tame yarrow]

Warrior worst class soon

[merry night]

🤣🤣🤣

Don’t tell arcanes precasting and using the same 4 buttons isn’t hard

[storm rune]

Mages are just RPing being intellectuals

Clearcasting? Oh you probably never heard of it

Oxford accent chuckle

[merry night]

Lol

[unkempt trellis]

how many fractured sparks can we get atm?

[broken kindle]

Broo they just nerfed warrs aoe again

[merry night]

Me multiply and blast missile & barrage

[storm rune]

6 i believe

[unkempt trellis]

hmm yeah i thought so, but havent gotten a 6th yet

[harsh jacinth]

Are these nerfs implemented yet?

[summer quail]

the roar and odyns target nerfs? no

[neon kite]

Most likely will next week

This game man… just came back excited for the war fun

Rip

[summer quail]

??? they come out with 11.05

[tidal kindle]

Mages...

[nocturne dragon]

11.0.5 means the anniv patch? still long but I hope they reconsider it.

[merry night]

They move an inch and think it’s the end of the world

Positioning gap imo

[crude ridge]

I'll bet the nerfs don't go live

[craggy sleet]

make a ruckus on twitter or smth

worked for the arcane mages

[restive pewter]

how many gilded crests off mythic bosses

any knowers

[crude ridge]

15 If I remember correctly

[restive pewter]

sheesh

[restive peak]

@buoyant salmon zero zenith/plate on reclear

[buoyant salmon]

big uppies.

[restive peak]

We remain the BIS ilvl

[tardy solar]

Missive rank only matters for the crafter right?

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-13267690

[odd star]

if u wanna have fun
stop liking warr and find a new class to like

[restive peak]

Yes Shade

[tame yarrow]

10% st buff now, right?

[merry night]

More like 20%

Fuck Mike Wayne & fuck Ronald

[night stone]

Guess i can just start leveling My ret to 80 and go do higher numbers in lower gear, fucking s1 of DF All over again

[slim grotto]

I know our bis isn't tier helm, but is it smart to use token on helm to save crests up to 619?

[sick jungle]

is anyone finding this week way rougher for m+?

fortified is no joke

and tanks seem to think they can pull like it's tyr

[hybrid karma]

why would they nerf fury even further are they smoking something or what

[hybrid karma]

if you have no other use for it why not

[slim grotto]

Well technically I could use the chest - I'm just trying to minmax my crests (knowing that I won't get helm for a while)

[coral dock]

on the fury guide from Maxroll.gg what is the "deep dive" section

[somber elk]

What you trink about that fury nerf ?

[weary sail]

is it just me or im consatnly low on valorstone 😭 how do yall farm it

[crude ridge]

It's bad and is going to hurt the most in M+

[feral ivy]

Won’t be playable

Just do your keys because you won’t be inv to pugs

[odd star]

saaaaame

i hate fucking ret's spell fcx

if it wasnt all hammers

going around me

id play it

[somber elk]

They Must be on Crack

[odd star]

hope they buff arms into it being good
arms is rad too

[feral ivy]

I’m telling yall it won’t go through. They just throwing this out there so we stop complaining about the 15% bs, 10% odyn and 3 ability dmg reduction

[odd star]

id be happy with arms

[weary sail]

this is MAJOR cope

[odd star]

coping was what made me roll warr this tier in first place, gotta get off it at some point

[formal scaffold]

This is pretty unlikely, as that's a really bad way to do this sort of thing. Typically patch notes ARE being tested legitimately, as there's QA effort and stuff behind them, and someone's time -- but feedback or a perception that something is way overboard can make teams reconsider.

(I'm in the game dev industry -- it's not worth it to create bad patch notes for this sort of thing as it creates ill will and does use up time that could be better spent)

[odd star]

there are no teams when it comes to warrior balancing
there are demons of sadism and spite

toying with warrior players

[formal scaffold]

Heh. I mean, I've heard that before for our balance notes as well. 😄

[dense elbow]

Going a bit far there. Don't attribute malice to ignorance

They simply know something we don't, or, they don't know what we think we do

[formal scaffold]

Also, realistically, WoW is a brutally complicated balancing act, because it's got so many different skill tiers, so much different content, AND so many different focuses in play.

I don't envy them that challenge, even if I do think this isn't how I would personally go about these nerfs.

[dense elbow]

Well, balance is fine atm. We got great burst, subpar aoe and st sustain DPS

They nerfing our burst tho

[crude ridge]

It's not complicated when you know how to play the class and what the issues are

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-wahh-what-huh-tf-gif-16630622

[crude ridge]

our sustain dps is not good what you mean?

[formal scaffold]

Any "balance isn't complicated" answer is probably missing something somewhere, in my experience.

[odd star]

for real though
they're overreacting because warrior is good at rwf-ing

[crude ridge]

We're literally bottom of the list in ST

worse than aug lmao

[feral ivy]

It would’ve been fine nerfing odyn and BS if we got dmg increase to our tier or other ability but because our tier is CRAP and outside cd our dmg is bad as well

[tulip swallow]

They're nerfing because of the damage profile but smoothing it out takes effort so they're just cratering us instead

[dense elbow]

It gets the job done in keys, what do you want me to say?

We ain't bad or awful st in keys, we are decent and keep up

[crude ridge]

sounds like you've been playing with people who aren't that good then

[odd star]

the problem is
this game as all online services that rely on constant balancing, rotates top tiers

[tulip swallow]

We're pretty average

[odd star]

ive been playing warrior since tbc

[feral ivy]

Ppl who have premade groups don’t complain a lot tbh

[odd star]

and its been a hot minute since warr was good

and when its good we dont get to enjoy 1 tier

of being good

we're hammered back into mid-low

[tulip swallow]

I was gonna say, it's not really rotating top tiers when 9/10 pie slices on the wheel point to mage

[odd star]

well yeah im trying to sound non-biased

[dense elbow]

Or you might not be any good? I dont know what to say.
We ain't bad in m+, we just ain't anything special. We are alright.
Problem is being nerfed while we are just that.

[odd star]

but yeah pure dps classes are overloaded as fuck
at some point the ydecided warrior is easy to play so it doesnt get to be top tier (hunter also suffers from this)

[feral ivy]

Hunters had a whole season of being broken in DF

[tulip swallow]

I'm glad frost dk is doing well for once, it's been unholy for a long time

[merry night]

I mean frost, Havoc, pally should all get the same treatment tho

[odd star]

they were kinda broken but thats exactly my point

if even bm gets to be real good for a tier

why the fuck cant fury

be real good

[gaunt pelican]

so what am i rerolling to

[odd star]

sure sure, fury still fucntions but wtf let us be GOOD

[tulip swallow]

whenever it looks like we're gonna be real good that shit gets crushed in ptr

[merry night]

Has enh just always been good?

[modern summit]

ret pally

[drowsy iron]

they need to change mythic brood or its gonna be 8 DKs

after this nerf lol

[feral ivy]

If anything if this nerf goes through give us battle rez so we can do SOMETHING in m+

[drowsy iron]

the funniest thing is

mage getting shockwave

🧙‍♂️

ggggggg

[tulip swallow]

paladins getting battleres in dragonflight radicalized me

[formal scaffold]

Okay, a shout that's just "GET UP, YOU'RE NOT DEAD YET" would be hilarious.

[feral ivy]

Would be bis

[junior gale]

Utillity argument take another shot

[buoyant salmon]

yeah because brez has made a class viable in high end m+

[gaunt pelican]

dh spend 10 years being giga, meanwhile fury on top for about 7 minutes and our dreams are crushed

[tulip swallow]

it's not like having a brez hurts you, it's fucking bonus

[dense elbow]

If dam go down, utility we have to bring to make up for it would be crazy strong. AoE free of limiters battle ress levels of strong

[restive narwhal]

Its really sad, we get nerfed again. Seing Retri DMG in M+ and still being untouched is a miracle for me.

[buoyant salmon]

dh is an insane angle to take on that

[buoyant salmon]

sure if blizzard wants to give warrior a brez? go for it

jus tdoesnt really fit

lust makes infinitely more sense if they wanna do something like that

[drowsy iron]

warriors deserve a nice pimp slap that silences for 6 seconds

[feral ivy]

Oo I’ll take lust over brez

[tulip swallow]

When you can blood thirst but can't blood lust

[restive narwhal]

[tulip swallow]

Even if they don't make a big difference at the high end, lust/bres absolutely make pugging easier

They're things that people look for when they make groups

[odd star]

yeah i get so many groups

that we're looking for lust in last slot

imagine how much easier to pug it would be with lust

anything that makes warr less of a chore to play is welcome

[quaint elbow]

Gg for fury. And the target cap reduction didnt even come in yet

[summer carbon]

whats happening

[feral ivy]

What’s this

[summer carbon]

tey nerfing us further?

[dense elbow]

Yep

[feral ivy]

Also wtf we are under balance druids

[dense elbow]

They slapping our burst again

[crude ridge]

Your phone is begging for some juice mate

[restive peak]

Wtf even is that screenshot LMAO

[feral ivy]

What is this from

[tulip swallow]

I'm sure when ion gets his dream meta where every pull has exactly 5 mobs we will be good

[dry hawk]

We have a target cap now

[quaint elbow]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[dense elbow]

5t pulls, and we still aint the best tho

[feral ivy]

That’s weird that arcane is low I thought they were supper strong atm

[odd star]

if the nerfs go through i go arms, i have decentish gear for arms

[restive peak]

That literally is the most wrong website ever

[nimble ibex]

Guess fury won’t pop off till next season

[crude ridge]

Frost DK would still body me at 5 targets lmao

[tulip swallow]

It's at 8 targets but doesn't say in the tooltip because they're trying to keep it hidden from normies

[restive peak]

Like that picture could not be more inaccurate

[quaint elbow]

Aint that data straight from warcraft logs parses?

[odd star]

next season will have scaled up enough

[tulip swallow]

Can't have people asking too many questions

[crude ridge]

it's 100% off

[restive peak]

The top fury is 600k below my top end once augs removed apparently then, I guess I ascended and am no longer in fury. Same w Crit and Jeventes and Xan and Noxiv

[crude ridge]

There are people doing more than 1.4m top

[odd star]

oh look ppl

the goats of fury are talking

[crude ridge]

Depending on the key and pulls 1.4mil top is easy for fury

[odd star]

fury is fine

[dense elbow]

We talking dung overall?

[odd star]

: )

[crude ridge]

I'd assume top is overall

[prisma rose]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-kanye-west-no-nope-gif-19108906

[restive peak]

I mean it's so odd that you guys are like "GIVE US STATS"

[dense elbow]

I done 1.4m, and my gear is dire

[dry hawk]

Is the nerf only 3%?

[restive peak]

Then 1 of us does "OH LOOK THEYRE BETTER THAN US SO COOL DURRR"

[tulip swallow]

Overall damage, and top is 95th percentile not literally top

[prisma rose]

Wut

[restive peak]

Like, the new nerf is gonna suck, but CURRENTLY we are upper tier

[prisma rose]

Another upper tier talk

[dry hawk]

What's the nerf?

[feral ivy]

Only if your in a premade group

[prisma rose]

Ret, sin and dk are uber upper then

[tulip swallow]

More or less 20% damage nerf on OF and roar

[crude ridge]

new soft cap from 8 to 5 for roar and OF

[restive peak]

Ret Sin DK are very similar to us on overall, depending on the key level and pull size

So if you think they're broken rn, you think we are

[prisma rose]

[dense elbow]

Basically Devs trying their damnedest to take our burst out back and shoot it

[odd star]

maybe in the world of 0.5% top of players you are right
but in the real world where i play fury is dogwater

[restive peak]

Well that's, as our lovely Ion says, a skill issue

[tulip swallow]

they're fine but they also aren't getting nerfed so 🤷‍♂️ \

[restive peak]

Why not focus on improving to the top end

[odd star]

nah its a free time issue

[restive peak]

THEN worry about your performance?

[lone sage]

crit disagrees

but good try

[restive peak]

So you should be broken because you're more busy?

[buoyant salmon]

if you cannot pilot fury to its mostly fullest potential

idk man

[formal scaffold]

Sort caps are probably my preferred sort of nerf though -- we keep burst in many situations, but lose it in those that are the most extreme outliers.

[young swan]

only in terms of perception, but thats as good as actually putting the spec into the dirt so I agree

[restive peak]

No he disagrees with the nerfs, and where we'll be after

He by no means thinks we're bad right now

[odd star]

i should be broken cause warrior deserves a tier of being broken definitely

[buoyant salmon]

the nerfs are unbelievably stupid and will almost certainly not be the only changes

if those are the only changes closer to the patch

[restive peak]

Noone deserves a tier of being broken

[buoyant salmon]

start omega complaining

[lone sage]

crit losing to the ret with lower ilvl and shit trinkets on every dung prob is because crit sucks as a fury

[restive peak]

And Choco is most likely right

[prisma rose]

cope is unreal

[buoyant salmon]

nottalking about that

but ok

[tulip swallow]

It smells like a change they made for arbitrary design reasons

[restive peak]

Him losing on overall, how's the boss damage? How often does he giga crush a pack while Qrva does consistent damage?

[lone sage]

this is so wrong on so many ways

[tulip swallow]

Just woke up one day and decided "warrior target cap 5"

[dry hawk]

So arms and fury will just be on par with each other

[restive peak]

Overall is not the only metric, if it were firy mage would've been dogwater

[lone sage]

yeah, keep picking metrics that can help u out

mobs that die on 5 secs prob

[prisma rose]

LMAO

[restive peak]

Yes, my 12 was timed w mobs that die in 5 seconds

[odd star]

you dont get to contradict mr 0.1% player that gets to nolife because no wife+no job+no rl responsibilities

[young swan]

wait, do u people think that fury sucks NOW

?

[buoyant salmon]

yers xan

[tulip swallow]

fury is passable rn

[restive peak]

Wife is in bed rn, I run a coaching department for a private gym, I guarantee my personal life is just great friend

[odd star]

fury is ok

[restive peak]

But you clearly need therapy

[lone sage]

i mean, even crit said that he is losing to ret on EVERY KEY, BEFORE the nerfs

and the dude want to argue they are similar

[young swan]

good lord

[lone sage]

i mean talk about delusional

[restive peak]

Because you think you having no free time means you should attack people

[young swan]

thats some delusion

[prisma rose]

lmao

[restive peak]

And you can chill for a bit for it

[dense elbow]

Nop, but that is the thing some trying to twist it to

[lone sage]

its only losing to sin rogues, rets, dks... before the nerfs, no no, we are gods

[summer carbon]

we all know the nerf is coming because every tom dick and harry is playing it

[prisma rose]

upper upper

[restive peak]

We are literally upper tier in current WoW

[young swan]

i mean we're like top 5 dps specs in the game between m+ and raid lmfao

[prisma rose]

yeah, and those classes are uber upper upper

[restive peak]

You are hilariously wrong and basically bragging about being wrong

[young swan]

idk what crack ur smoking but give me some

[restive peak]

No, they aren't

They're dead even with us

[lone sage]

try to watch crit last video

maybe you can lear smthing

idk

[grave lantern]

:)

[lone sage]

or maybe helpless

[young swan]

?

ret is also

[lone sage]

?

[young swan]

one of the best specs in teh game

[lone sage]

no no

[young swan]

get ur head out of ur ass

[restive peak]

Crits last video is about the upcoming nerfs

[lone sage]

fury uper uper

[paper ivy]

even with the softcap nerfs?

[prisma rose]

fury uper uper

[restive peak]

No, but those aren't current

[prisma rose]

ret uper uper uper uper

[restive peak]

This is my point

[junior gale]

someone say uppies?

[restive peak]

Yes, the new PTR changes, if we're given nothing, are super damning

[merry night]

Imma be honest there’s no way they go thru w it

[restive peak]

But currently we are extremely strong, extremely durable, we have a short AOE stun + fear, we have a singular stun, we have a shorter kick cd

[merry night]

Now that I think about it

[lone sage]

cant, too deep on your mom

[tulip swallow]

if people don't complain enough they will go through with it

[restive peak]

If they go through with it, it's because they're moving us into a different direction and buffs will come elsewere

[young swan]

idk if u dont think fury is one of the best specs in the game rn maybe its time to go rope shopping

[dense elbow]

And I dislike the flattening

[lone sage]

you are right, crit is wrong, we are wrong

fury top

[restive peak]

Well that's a completely different issue

[tulip swallow]

Surely they're just making room for future buffs

[gilded pawn]

its not the best when i play it

[buoyant salmon]

LMFAOOOOOOOO

xan

holy fuck

[young swan]

crit literally didnt say shit about current fury

[merry night]

I think we’re a great class but not top 5 dps

[junior gale]

Xan going hard

[restive peak]

Do you have a reading issue? Seriously

[young swan]

we absolutely are

[restive peak]

Because we're said like 8 times Crits video is about PTR

[lone sage]

do u have hearing issues?

[buoyant salmon]

all crit says was that qrva (best ret, ret is a really really good class) beat him with a bit less ilvl

[restive peak]

Yeah, you have reading and listening issues confirmed.

[merry night]

Frost, UH, Enh, Ele, Arcane, Ret are better

[lone sage]

the part that he mentioned that NOW with WAY better gear than the ret he cant beat the ret

is from ptr too?

[buoyant salmon]

yeah unholy better than fury

real

based

[merry night]

Can even throw DH in there

[lone sage]

hearing issues

[young swan]

uh 💀

[sinful spoke]

Every class better than fury even aug

[restive peak]

He can't beat a ret, so he's bad? He's dead neck even with him

[merry night]

UH pumps

[buoyant salmon]

arcane unholy and ele are good but not fantastic

[lone sage]

you should watch the vid again

[young swan]

uh gets sent to gapplebees

[lone sage]

now, hearing

[buoyant salmon]

unholy piloted well actually kinda hidden tech

[restive peak]

We also bring far more ST damage than ret ever could, you build a team to balance each other out

[buoyant salmon]

but like frost is just better when piloted well

[restive peak]

Hence SP for AOE and fire mage for pure ST

[lone sage]

lmao

[buoyant salmon]

so sadge for them

[sinful spoke]

Ur so zoomercoded for this

[merry night]

Hell nah UH is the owner of gapplebees

[restive peak]

Yeah, I'll let Crit know next time we're talking. Imagine being this dense.

[feral ivy]

He did say in that video EVERY pull he lost and that was the closest he has been even being 6ilvl higher

[young swan]

i have to spec like a zoomer to stave off my advancing age

[restive peak]

Did he lose boss fights?

[lone sage]

yeah, maybe he can help you out with hearing issues, spelling near you so your single brain cell can understand

[prisma rose]

LMAO

[restive peak]

Or did he do 200-300k more ST? While also completely dumpstering a pack every 1.5mins?

[prisma rose]

he didnt even watched the video

[lone sage]

clearly

so funny

[young swan]

yeah i mean qrva one of the best rets in the world and ret has one of the most broken m+ damage profiles in the game, perhaps the most broken damage profile. this just speaks to the strength of ret and the skill of qrva

[tidal kindle]

He's losing overall, ret has z ST (comparatively) in a key setup

[prisma rose]

[tidal kindle]

Like ofc you're gonna lose overall to ret

[grave lark]

Classic warrior discord moments

[restive peak]

^

[sinful spoke]

Ah he cooked ur ass with this one 💀

[junior gale]

Overall means everything clearly

[tidal kindle]

Good thing M+ isn't about only overall

And if you think it is, I do not want to push keys with you

[restive peak]

Yes, it would make more sense to run 2 giga AOEs and spend 8m per boss, right?

[lone sage]

yeah, he brought that up cuz irrelevant

u right

sry

[restive peak]

He said it is the reason the nerfs concern him, because while right now it's competitive and viable, it won't be AFTER the fury nerfs + ret buffs

Context matters

[dusty geyser]

do warriors not use Treacherous Transmitter on purpose because its annoying ?

[waxen orbit]

crit said "ive been getting beaten by specs that are less geared than me"

[young swan]

some people dont, I do

[feral ivy]

Overall dmg means stuff in low keys while it doesn’t in higher keys (to a certain point)

[restive peak]

And we're all concerned about the PTR changes

[sinful spoke]

I do it fucking cranks

[prisma rose]

[restive peak]

I hate threach

[lone sage]

literally what he said

but fury is uper uper

[crude ridge]

we don't like it but we use it

[lone sage]

those specs are gods upers ig

[sudden tusk]

I mean the only thing we bring is damage

[prisma rose]

barely now

lmao

[sudden tusk]

hes the same ilvl as me btw

[lone sage]

but you get ST!

[dense elbow]

This logic holds true

[slow wadi]

In my last dungeon, a ret was at 1.33m overall with an average ilevel of 613. His boss damage at times was hitting over 800k. That's with 4 set and a 619 wep. I would lose out to him even on burst and overall did 600k less than him. In our raids on Silken Court, their cleave/two target damage is insane hitting 1.7mil and sustaining 1.3 mil. I barely keep up at 900k. Fury is mediocre when in an average and coordinated groups.

[prisma rose]

he went real silent

[restive peak]

So

[quaint elbow]

Tbh what are the odds they take it back? I find it highly unlikely

[restive peak]

All 13 of the people below me who have timed 1 of the like 15-20 11s here

Are awful and garbage

Yes?

[lone sage]

crit said "ive been getting beaten by specs that are less geared than me" you chosed to skip that part? huh

[merry night]

UH doesn’t pump tho am I right

[restive peak]

Again, I'm not that great

[prisma rose]

yeah he chosed to ignore

[restive peak]

Yeah there are a few specs ahead of us

[dense elbow]

If you say so

[restive peak]

So what

[lone sage]

classic and expected

[formal scaffold]

If they don't, it's likely because they want to move Fury specifically away from burst AoE, and that this is an intentional change where they'd prefer to restore power some other way.

[restive peak]

I already answered that 4 times

So did Garms

[sinful spoke]

U wanna know whos great though?

[restive peak]

But again, struggling with reading

[lone sage]

struggling with hearing

[prisma rose]

[buoyant salmon]

@lone sage are you intentially dense or what

RET IS A FANTASTIC SPEC

THAT DOES INSANE AOE

[lone sage]

when i said anything about ret?

[restive peak]

Could be worse, right? I could be struggling to play WoW properly like you friend.

[lone sage]

are you dense or what?

crit said "ive been getting beaten by specs that are less geared than me"

SPECS

[restive peak]

Did you ignore my picture?

[lone sage]

not RETS

[crude ridge]

problem is they won't restore power any other way

[sinful spoke]

Oop

[buoyant salmon]

brother he is mostly talking about rets

bc he plays with qrva

[restive peak]

Of the top stonevaults in the world?

[sinful spoke]

COOK HIS ASS

[merry umbra]

leveled a fury warr to play SMF for the lulz and the game dropped me 2 big 2H back to back LoL not even RNGesus want me to play smf

[waxen orbit]

aint no one struggling to play fury properly

[dense elbow]

And this is what we should fear. Flat is boring

[lone sage]

the part that he said SPECS you also chosed to ignore?

[restive peak]

Reminder, Qrva has managed to be above great specs on mid ret tiers, by the way

[lone sage]

funny huh

[buoyant salmon]

for all we know he could be talking about frost dk and enhance which are 2 of the other really really good specs

[restive peak]

So it's really no surprise he's able to pump

[lone sage]

unreal cope

[buoyant salmon]

ok so fury loses to 3 maybe 4 specs

in current wow

[eager thorn]

Hey guys if u turn off the damage numbers on ur screen then we dont actually get nerfed

[buoyant salmon]

wow guys fury fuckign sucks

[formal scaffold]

I mean, possibly! I don't know their balance team well. But I do know that when we nerf something at work because it's too good at ABC and we can't allow that, we typically try to restore power elsewhere if it ends up too weak.

[lone sage]

idr saying that

but dude is saying fury is upper upper

those specs are what exactly?

[restive peak]

No, we just play at the actual level you're moaning about, and we know you're wrong, and you're somehow dense enough to decide you're right because of your feelings

[buoyant salmon]

i remember you being stupid

[lone sage]

walking gods?

[buoyant salmon]

thats what i remember

[prisma rose]

you are the only one being stupid now

lol

[formal scaffold]

Personal preference! I'd personally like a bit more consistent DPS. Not enough to be flat, but a bit less of a dip between the highs and lows.

[eager thorn]

Ye fury isnt good guys rwf has just been running 2-3 on most bosses :3

[feral ivy]

Imo I think the 1% are saying we are good atm and should shut up about the current us because they are doing better than the non 1% of other classes

[formal scaffold]

But I appreciate that's just my preferences.

[restive peak]

Ok scroll back up to my picture

And explain

[buoyant salmon]

theres 3 MAYBE 4 specs that are better than fury warrior

[prisma rose]

we talking m+ brozito

[restive peak]

Top 15 DPSers on the highest level of timed SV

[buoyant salmon]

how does that not make fury fantastic

[merry night]

I’m just sayin Arcane, Frost, Enh, Ret we can all agree are better & UH, Sin, Ele are mix & match even tho I think Ele & UH is better

[crude ridge]

Logically you would think that but blizz already did this to us in DF and our ST suffered greatly with no fix and here we are in TWW with still very very bad ST

[restive peak]

I'm #2, and by a wider margin than the UH is #1, so explain

[molten wing]

It has fury in the name of the spec , if that doesn't make it fantastic i don't know

[buoyant salmon]

i dont agree arcane and frost are better, they have flaws

[dense elbow]

Valid take. But I will politely disagree, and say pushing it in this direction is the road to flat and boring

[restive peak]

I was also top on all 4 bosses

[lone sage]

if @buoyant salmon could count he would be pissed

[buoyant salmon]

i think only enhance frost ret and sin can be better

[sinful spoke]

U cheated

[buoyant salmon]

not always better

[sinful spoke]

Simple as that

[restive peak]

Cheche caught me

I hacked

[buoyant salmon]

these specs have weaknesses

ret st is beans

[sinful spoke]

I knew it

[formal scaffold]

Again, I can't speak for Blizzard. Just why reverting a change like this isn't super likely if it's not the direction they want the spec to have this much strength in.

[restive peak]

Enh will start dying in 14s

[buoyant salmon]

sin and frost are 2min classes that can be griefed with a not great route

[restive peak]

Ret will lose considerable timers through 6-7m boss fights

[buoyant salmon]

enhance is hard to live, needs to eat externals

[formal scaffold]

I know. You've stated that about four times now! And that's a perfectly valid take.

[prisma rose]

2min classes? sin? wut

[restive peak]

Frost will forever fuck us up, that's a mage, mage is literally designed to be BIS for M+

[prisma rose]

lmao

[merry night]

So we’re a #5-8 class basically that you could argue atm

[buoyant salmon]

sin is a 1/2 minute class like we are 45/90 seconds

[restive peak]

If you think we'll EVER be meta over mage, I have a bridge to sell you for cash.

[prisma rose]

no its not? what?

[buoyant salmon]

has the spec changed very recently

[dense elbow]

I will state it at least 4 times more. Someone gotta stand up for the little guy

[molten wing]

what's the whole deal about , the ptr nerfs etc ?

[buoyant salmon]

i havent played it this expansion

[feral ivy]

We were at the start of this expansion

[buoyant salmon]

do they have cdr on kingsbane and deathmark now

[prisma rose]

kb and deathmark are not even that big for aoe

wut

wtf

[restive peak]

There was no meta at the start

[buoyant salmon]

ok so nothing changed

[restive peak]

And every tier list had us lower tier than we've shown to be, not that tier lists mattered

[prisma rose]

they can melt every pull lol

[buoyant salmon]

sin is fantastic bc they omega super blast a prio target

[tidal kindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nvDW2ZBkpHyg49L3#fight=2&type=summary

[buoyant salmon]

send them to the moon as some would say

[restive peak]

Fury is currently in an amazing place, fury after the changes with nothing else will be very weak

[prisma rose]

and if that ptr change go in, it will be even insane

[restive peak]

Believing otherwise is just trolling

[dense elbow]

TLDR, lincc says we are fine. Some ppl say we ain't the best. Lincc states he is proof we are top dog. Others disagree

Discourse ensues

[tidal kindle]

Ret on boss

[buoyant salmon]

i agree that isnt going live as it is without compensation nerfs

[tidal kindle]

Cope

[restive peak]

^

[buoyant salmon]

well

it probably wont

[tidal kindle]

there u go

[restive peak]

Ret does big AOE consistently, fury does big bursts every 2-3 packs and fucks bosses

[buoyant salmon]

bc sin rogue would be by far the best spec in the game

[restive peak]

Balance

[buoyant salmon]

BY FAR

[prisma rose]

the nerf is already there when it mattered

iron wire

[sinful spoke]

100k dps on boss maybe crit is washed

[dense elbow]

Man I thought I was on copium that OF would be allowed to stay relevant. Choco got that good shit

[junior gale]

incoming argument that the 4 extra ilvl will be enough to catch him up

[buoyant salmon]

copium how

[crude ridge]

Does WCL just auto track keys? You don't have to run your own logs?

[buoyant salmon]

i think the nerfs planned for 11.0.5 will kill the spec

[lone sage]

10% ish less dmg with dog shit trinkets and lower ilvl, HUGE

[brittle crow]

fury is bad so i need to spend money to feel better
local store near me has a brand new pixel 9 pro xl for $470, insane steal
do i do it?

[buoyant salmon]

but i dont think they are going live without other changes

tis possible they do

[sinful spoke]

You do if u wanna see breakdowns

[buoyant salmon]

but i doubt it

[sinful spoke]

Or someone else has to

[cyan turtle]

do it fam

[crude ridge]

Ah gotcha

[formal scaffold]

That's like a 5% DPS increase, so yes. 😛

[restive peak]

They're not going to leave us at that, it would literally be deleting the spec

[sinful spoke]

Bro went from a shit class to a shit phone

Warrior players are truly specimens

[brittle crow]

ok what do u use big man

[restive peak]

Hopefully it's what we've been asking for; make us the absolute best at 5T and buff our ST to do so

[molten wing]

we are fine , and i'm pretty sure most people that are bitching that "we ain't the best" are not playing at the end game level to have a valid opinion on what's the best

[prisma rose]

tell me how fuck bosses? on that pic is 10% ish more dmg while having way better trinkets and higher ilvl

[sinful spoke]

Iphone 13 pro max

[prisma rose]

how that is a fuck bosses?

[brittle crow]

thats what i thought

TRASH

[buoyant salmon]

10% more damage is pretty big

on st

[cyan turtle]

guys guys, just go tank and we win

[prisma rose]

with optimal trinkets and bigger ilvl

[sinful spoke]

Ur phone is named pixel 9

IT ONLY HAS 9 PIXELA

[quaint elbow]

Considering they just did a 3% overall nerf, why would they pump it back up?

[buoyant salmon]

have no idea how cds/lust/pots looked

[sinful spoke]

OMEGALOL

[restive peak]

Outlaw is similar to ret

[crude ridge]

This and bring us back to execute kings

[restive peak]

Add a 0 btw, that's the issue

[molten wing]

maybe with 4 more ilvl they will be where you are at

[restive peak]

So I did 370? k more than her ST

On 1 boss

[brittle crow]

apple doesnt even trust apple users with sideloading

irrelevant opinions tbh

[restive peak]

Crit does the same thing to Qrva on bosses

Because bosses need to die

[lone sage]

you are forgeting that qrva trinkets are disgusting

[quaint elbow]

TLDR We're all waiting on blizz to either kill the spec or do something to keep it going

[lone sage]

prob with same ilvl and bis trinkets ( like crit ) he would legit pass him lol

[sinful spoke]

Ur saying that like i know what that is good try

[restive peak]

It's a pulling cadence; you pull huge when fury has CDs, you pull smaller and let ret do littles, and repeat

[brittle crow]

average apple user

...

[restive peak]

On bosses, fury does the damage

It balances each other out, just like godcomp did

[sinful spoke]

[restive peak]

Obviously far weaker than godcomp

[buoyant salmon]

@restive peak link me fury talents

[brittle crow]

real honestly

[buoyant salmon]

gonna go do a key

[restive peak]

But the concept remains the same

[buoyant salmon]

and post details

[restive peak]

Ye 1sec

Sending

[radiant knot]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-internet-slow-internet-cast-wizard-gif-15526244104305474494

[buoyant salmon]

all i have is thane build

[ivory ingot]

Just roll prot now

[eternal sundial]

[feral ivy]

Listen at the end of the day I just want to be inv to a +10. Without the other classes saying “oh don’t inc the warrior they are crap “

[ivory ingot]

Got nothing nerfed

[restive peak]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAAagZGghZYgZmNYYGjhZMzMbbzMmZmNmZMzMMDb2mhZGDAAAEmxy2ALgJYGmAjthN

[sinful spoke]

Idk bro my phone is what 3 gens old now and i have yet to find an android that takes better pics

[ivory ingot]

[restive peak]

Keep in mind I run w monk/sham, so I don't care to have shorter shockwave

[brittle crow]

im gonna take pics of u when ur not looking and mail em to u

...

[molten wing]

that's not up to your class and up to the community , if you wanna do 10s without having that many issues just run your own key or find a group

[brittle crow]

in ur house

[molten wing]

it sounds bad but its the truth

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[lone sage]

s25ultra would melt it

[eternal sundial]

if you want good pics buy a camera

[brittle crow]

s25 ultra is crazy

[sinful spoke]

Phone convenience better

[brittle crow]

and also $2000 so

lole

[sinful spoke]

Imagine paying 2k for a phone

[ivory ingot]

Shorter Shockwave for other weak seasonal affix

[lone sage]

his point was he didnt knew a android with better pictures

[sinful spoke]

Now thats loser behavior

[lone sage]

i told him one with way better pictures

[feral ivy]

But if we are “broken” or in the “meta” I’ll be inv

[brittle crow]

YOU CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT PRICE APPLE USER

[lone sage]

lmao

[molten wing]

they need to nerf the s25 ulta camera so it reduces the quality if it has more than 5 objects in the picture

smh

[buoyant salmon]

@restive peak no boudning stride

blow up immediately

[sullen dove]

o ok yea no thats normal

30 second bladestorm

[prisma rose]

depends on how deep are your pockets

[sullen dove]

just a skill differential honestly

[sinful spoke]

Mother fucker the only andriods that are cheaper than iphones are the bootleg ones like the pixel and the chinese ones