fury

[flat bear]

I was between gearing a arcane mage or fury warrior. Dumped all my effort into warrior. Feelsgoodman

[thick fossil]

I think Divine Storm has soft cap 8.

[tawdry bane]

the answer will only piss you off

[lime plaza]

Dunno but my ret friend always wipes the floor with me in high keys

[brittle crow]

😌

[brittle crow]

im already loading into my pally alt

hit me

[prisma rose]

You don't wanna know

[brittle crow]

tell me what i dont wanna know

[warped bone]

I mean 30 sec CDs are hard to beat ANubitzs

[tidal narwhal]

divine storm does reduced damaged after 5

[covert void]

heh, welcome.

[buoyant salmon]

warrior has been consistently good for years and years

mid-upper mid every single tier

[brittle crow]

i dont want to be consistently good anymore

[covert void]

we're the kings of good and fine, that's true. can't dispute that.

[brittle crow]

i want to be consistently FAVORED

[tidal narwhal]

WoA doesn't and it is a 30 sec cd

[granite glade]

ye olde renard

[lime plaza]

Nerfs just feel fucking bad man. Back to back to back

[summer quail]

arms is really good right now. and fury is good at its job as well, fury is just there to destroy adds

[covert void]

I fucking love been good and fine. tickles me completely.

[prisma rose]

Rets having burst every 30 sec feels uber nice

[tawdry bane]

tickles me roit well it does

[prisma rose]

While fury out of cds feels like ass

[covert void]

not a fan of amazing and outstanding. who wants that shit.

[thick fossil]

It depends on what you qualify as good. How many warriors have you seen in MDI?
PVP tourney, a few. Raid, most of the time 1 only.

[delicate yacht]

Zero

[buoyant salmon]

yes bc mdi is the meta m+ comp

[strong pilot]

It's been war life cycle for a bit now

[buoyant salmon]

ppl played unholy and feral in high keys season 1 dragonflight for sure

[covert void]

well yeh, good and fine don't get into MDI mate.

[buoyant salmon]

warrior plays in awc too

idk

[prisma rose]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[thick fossil]

My point is, calling a class good is relative.

[lime plaza]

How many warrior are in the top times m+ keys rn

[buoyant salmon]

also in raid theres pretty often two dps warriors in the raid

not all the time

but pretty often

[prisma rose]

If you trust wowmeta data, you may not want to know

[strong pilot]

Does that excuse the nerfs?

[covert void]

we're good when our competition, a lot of the time, is great.

[buoyant salmon]

no i think these nerfs are egregious but i also recognize its still a month away

with more changes to come

if nothing else changes? stupid ass changes

[leaden needle]

Here's the surv hunter in my guild trying to tell me it's not all that bad and at least im better than surv, look how close our dmg is and difference in percentile. And we're just heroic plebs

[prisma rose]

Sin rogue is better, enh is better, dk, ret, prob ww idk

So yeah

[humble bolt]

oh look....ret at the top, how surprising

[strong pilot]

It's just that shit doesn't make any sense if you look at data, critcake's vid is pretty good

[lime plaza]

I feel like why play warrior when pala brings so much more to the table

[prisma rose]

Exactly

No reason to invite a war over a ret

[lime plaza]

Warrior needs a cr

[granite glade]

yea isn't surv kinda middle of the pack atm anyway?

[covert void]

exactly why people are pissed. we play the game. we see the nerfs are stupid.

[prisma rose]

Prob same tier as war

[thick fossil]

I guess my point is that we've never really been more than mid of the pack. That can be good and bad. Currently, we are gonna end up being on a the lower end after this next wave of nerfs.

[buoyant salmon]

i agree but patch is still a month away

[covert void]

we had our moments in df, upper a tier? I don't remember a time we were s tier meta though (m+).

[buoyant salmon]

more things can and probably will change

[buoyant salmon]

we have been upper mid

consistently

in raid

[strong pilot]

Not sure if it's gonna get rolled back ngl

[tawdry bane]

most certainly, nerfs like this just have to make you question blizzard's judgment lmfao

[buoyant salmon]

sepulcher? good class had 2 brought consistently

[tawdry bane]

why are they nerfing it agian in the first place lmao

like thats the problem

[buoyant salmon]

vault? good class 1-2 brought consistently

abberus? good class 1-2 brought consistently

[summer quail]

fury was crazy good in amirdrassil, like top 3. arms in 10.0.5 was top 5

[covert void]

I'd love to see data on how many hours on average each class spends in m+ compared to raid per week.

[prisma rose]

Too good on 5 fights out of 8 on raid

[buoyant salmon]

amirdrassil? very good 2 brought consistently

[covert void]

always raid this raid that

[buoyant salmon]

this raid? good for prog 2 brought consistently

[heady saffron]

wtf is a raid?

[thick fossil]

@covert void We've never been S tier.
@buoyant salmon upper mid is still mid.

[summer quail]

is top 3 upper mid???

[tawdry bane]

we were s tier this raid for a bit xd

xddddddddd

[heady saffron]

if u arent 1st you're mid

[lime plaza]

Just dont roll these nerfs out. Let it be blizzard

[prisma rose]

Sadly looks like it's the data bliz uses to balance changes, since we are FAR from op on keys

[heady saffron]

cap bladestorm at 3

[drowsy iron]

They are giving mage warrior shockwave lmao

[restive peak]

I mean Choco is correct that for raid, we're always very strong

[thick fossil]

[covert void]

like genuinely, as yourself how many hours you spend in m+ and raid each week.

[upper heron]

im still pretty noobish but like. isnt burst aoe all we have
why do they hate us

[covert void]

I get mythic proggers will say raid

but that's a minority

[restive peak]

And to be fair, if you're an M+ only player and you're serious....unless you have a team or are upper upper tier, you'd probably enjoy being a diff class more

[prisma rose]

While feeling like ass outside of cds

[heady saffron]

warriors op nerf plis

[restive peak]

These nerfs for raid mean basically nothing

But they absolutely suck for M+

[summer quail]

minority overrall, i bet a ton of people here do mythic raid tho

[lime plaza]

Blizzard just looking at warcraft logs data and going. Fuck em bois. While not even looking at M+ data

[drowsy iron]

They matter on broodtwister a lot

[ionic jay]

super QQ, I see WoWHead and IcyV have opposite builds for Fury for Delves. Which is better, Thane or Slayer? Or just personal preference?

[heady saffron]

w/e you can survive in

[winter shoal]

Go prot 🙂

[gritty kayak]

they dont balance pve around m+

until after raid prog

[prisma rose]

^

[heady saffron]

they balance pve around pvp

[covert void]

but these nerfs aren't coming for a while so these aren't even with raid in mind no?

[prisma rose]

This is giving me remembers of first season of df

[gritty kayak]

blizzard dont think ahead like this

[prisma rose]

How many nerfs fury had?

[thick fossil]

These nerfs do very little to nerf us in raid. They do a shit ton of nerfing when it comes to M+.

[prisma rose]

5 weeks?

[fossil rose]

Does the dot damage of odyns and roar get effected by softcaps? Or is it just the initial damage?

[lime plaza]

Which sucks because I have 0 interest in the raid beyond a HC clear. I just wanna pump m+

[heady saffron]

calling it, fury dead in s2 then back in s3/4

[gritty kayak]

you can still see its targeted at raid

[prisma rose]

Df all over again

[heady saffron]

yep

[delicate yacht]

It affects raid

[gritty kayak]

they are not looking at data from m+

never are

look at shadow priest

[thick fossil]

I guess, but it's not one that makes sense.

[gritty kayak]

dog in raid

[ionic jay]

i'm considering it!!

[heady saffron]

look at shaman, top in everything

[gritty kayak]

does insane damage in m+

[heady saffron]

and a buff inc :O

[lean wasp]

I mean they definitely not looking at raid Data either

[limpid tusk]

lol its coming.

[finite spade]

Me and diddy are on the same type of watch rn

[prisma rose]

Enh shammy is legit insane lol

[tawdry bane]

shaman does magic damage therefore they are allowed to be good

[limpid tusk]

FACTS

[dense elbow]

shaman getting a buff? They already gapping me at 1.5mill vs 1.3 ._.

[heady saffron]

i see

[thick fossil]

I've already been stuck in Prot jail for my guild. Now I will be stuck there all season.

[gritty kayak]

they are its just about the amount of people playing fury atm

one of the most played specs

[restive peak]

It is important to remember a lot of tuning will come once the race ends

[prisma rose]

Sin rogue melting trough m+ looking at you

[buoyant salmon]

define s tier

[heady saffron]

getting an ascension rework same time we catching these nerfs

[tawdry bane]

i reject your reality and raise you my own

[restive peak]

For all we know our nerfs look awful, but will be minor compared to nukes dropped elsewhere

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[thick fossil]

S tier was Aug voker in season 2 DF.

[prisma rose]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[restive peak]

I mean that's not copium, they never really buff/nerf once mythic prog starts

[gritty kayak]

issue is we are nowhere near full gear yet either

[prisma rose]

Bliz rn

[buoyant salmon]

so the best spec in the game by far

[restive peak]

And then do massive tuning shortly after

[lime plaza]

I will just keep bruteforcing my way trough these nerfs I guess.

[buoyant salmon]

basically nothing is ever s tier then

[gritty kayak]

so most specs arent at full capacity for damage

[lean wasp]

But they did with fury

[hollow shell]

Anybody still trying to be optimistic about the spec after its 3rd/4th nerf in 2 weeks (whatever nerf we are up to now) is oblivious

[restive peak]

We are also not at full capacity yet

[lean wasp]

Twice and incoming third

[dense elbow]

Neither are anyone else

[gritty kayak]

thats what i mean

[restive peak]

And they did it on the PTR

The heroic 1s are normal, we weren't the only nerfs

[spare steppe]

are you saying its gonna get better lincc

[restive peak]

And those nerfs were fine

[gritty kayak]

but issue is fury dont scale well with gear that much

well compared to other specs

[dense elbow]

Lincc basically said: we scale with gear

[lean wasp]

They didnt even wait for tier sets to drop first nerf

[prisma rose]

Its literally the same as df season 1

[bitter palm]

that 3% was a bit uncalled for imo

[prisma rose]

Same cope

[restive peak]

It might, it might not, if it doesn't they're killing fury completely and I find it hard to believe that

[heady saffron]

just nerf m+ enemy output so i can auto attack thru 10s

kthnx

[prisma rose]

Same phrases

[restive peak]

The 3% overall was a bit harsh, but another 3% on our AOE wasn't

[lean wasp]

They hit with 2nd nerf first week of season

[restive peak]

Just wish they hadn't touched our ST

[bitter palm]

yeah

[gritty kayak]

fury aoe is still stupid

[restive peak]

Yes, going into mythic

[gritty kayak]

they just shouldnt have nerfed st

[restive peak]

They do changes going into mythic, then changes post race

Always

[lean wasp]

Its not stupid its bursty

[bitter granite]

rerolling

[restive peak]

No we're def upper tier for M+ currently

[gritty kayak]

we are def up there

[prisma rose]

What dk, sin rogue, and rets are?

[gritty kayak]

but even just looking at raid

[prisma rose]

Upper upper?

[lime plaza]

I would reroll if I wasnt 619 ilvl already

[gritty kayak]

look at brood

[wise solar]

Only in raid, where the design is:
Add pack in every 45 sec...

Try it in M+, you will see, that Fury's AoE is not that OP.
Mid Tier at best.

[bitter granite]

fury aoe in keys with like a frost dk or enhance

[lean wasp]

Yeah up there like 6 on the list or something

[bitter granite]

is not that great

[gritty kayak]

im doing 10/11s ect

i know

[restive peak]

I haven't lost to anyone yet and we're top 10 NA on literally every key with several 1-3s

[gritty kayak]

there are specs that beat us

but

not consistently

[prisma rose]

And sin rogue has some insane buffs on ptr

[summer quail]

idk, i do 1.5/1.6m overall usually. that's pretty good i'd say

[gritty kayak]

im top every key

[prisma rose]

And it's already insane

[broken comet]

fucking blizzard kill fury again

[hollow shell]

Yeah idk where people are getting the idea we are good in m+ when there's dps like ret/frost doing as much damage as us but on 30s-45s cooldowns

Who also bring utility and immunities

[gritty kayak]

and most specs cant burst 10m on a pack with the press of 2 buttons

[restive peak]

I'm probably getting the "idea" from actually experiencing it

[slender crescent]

for M+ are we spinning or Clapping?

[restive peak]

But who knows right

[prisma rose]

But them don't do potato dmg outside of cds lmao

[restive peak]

Slayer for all serious content

[summer quail]

spinning. clapping is kinda deadge

[gritty kayak]

you mostly have cds for every pack

cause stuff lives longer

[buoyant salmon]

sin rogue is so good man

[gritty kayak]

its a small key issue

[arctic sinew]

@summer quail rare kazuya enjoyer spotted

[buoyant salmon]

its been so good since 10.1.5

[restive peak]

You either have big CDs, or OF+BS, for every pack

[prisma rose]

Sin rogue is the real deap

[buoyant salmon]

they are literally omega blasters and ppl just dont know for some reason

[strong pilot]

Thane even after every buff is still 15% behind in st

[prisma rose]

You saw the buffs on ptr?

[buoyant salmon]

the auto tea?

[summer quail]

yee boi, even got a warlock named kazuya

[buoyant salmon]

thats a nerf i think

[prisma rose]

No

[arctic sinew]

dang

[fiery storm]

Im usually 1m-1.4 overall in m+ and i dont even push hard (mostly 6s) at 608 ilvl lol .....but we dont need nerfs >< survival and ret have 40 sec cds ... when our cds are down our dps is nonexistent lol

[prisma rose]

12 sec of improved garrote

Instead of 6

[buoyant salmon]

yes bc odyns fury and roar are not 45 second cds

[bitter palm]

@warm crag

[bitter granite]

u dont take 45 sec roar

[sage ridge]

I am just confused why Fury is being nerfed 3 times when there are better classes

[buoyant salmon]

@spritti

[prisma rose]

Ret has 30 sec cds

[restive peak]

You don't take 45 roar

But BS is approx 40-50s

[buoyant salmon]

xan says he does

[restive peak]

Getting closer to 40 as I tighten my rotation

[buoyant salmon]

so get owned

blue > yellow

[fiery storm]

Ya wild

[bitter palm]

blue > yellow

[buoyant salmon]

i forgot fury and arms take diffy talents sometimes

[restive peak]

You know what I'll take 45s roar tm for our 11 pushes to 13s and report back 😛

[tawdry bane]

💀

[buoyant salmon]

bis legs

[bitter palm]

imagine we are pushing 13s yet we did 30s at 200 lower ilvl

washed community

[bitter granite]

those are ass statted?

[buoyant salmon]

its good its in the bis list

[sudden tusk]

catalyst

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[dense elbow]

EU forum actually getting a fair amount of Warrior doomer posts

this be good

[restive peak]

We prayg

[thick fossil]

Look at the Beast Master buffs.

[quartz tulip]

people are still coping about this dead fuckin class and spec

yeah right

[bitter granite]

u run enrage haste or dmg

[quartz tulip]

fury is fuckin deceased

[prisma rose]

@buoyant salmon

[quartz tulip]

spit on its grave

[prisma rose]

So insane lol

[restive peak]

For M+? Powerful always

[covert void]

it's sarcasm central time

[coral dock]

Can anyone help me out with my dps? I have several iLvls higher than the other fury warrior in my guild (I think he was 609 and I was 612) and according to logs we were pretty much both casting our CDs and stuff at the same times, yet he was doing significantly more dps than me. I’m not an expert at interpreting logs so don’t know if I’m reading them wrong

[buoyant salmon]

ooo yeah that one

thats insane idk why they did that

well its definitely nice to have but insane power for 0 reason

to already insanely good spec

[tawdry bane]

https://tenor.com/view/send-the-logs-send-the-log-files-gif-7419926888397076395

[buoyant salmon]

probably will see compensation nerfs

[quartz tulip]

yes sure

[prisma rose]

Yeah lol, 12 sec is insane

[coral dock]

Ok one sec

[quartz tulip]

someone will help you

not me

[prisma rose]

Really good aoe, cleave, amazing st

Crazy surv

[pliant jackal]

honestly this nerf probably mostly affect people who are running keys that are above 10+.

10 and below is still really good

[dense elbow]

No, they affect the lower keys more - as that is where the kit shines.

[coral dock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MZHNjadzmGtXxbYT

[bitter granite]

lincc what dmg are u pushing with

[restive peak]

That's...not true Funky

[prisma rose]

Also feint out of gcd

[bitter palm]

what the fuck

[prisma rose]

Gg

[dense elbow]

Higher end we already stated to slow down

[bitter palm]

what the fuck

is that

[prisma rose]

Rogue luv

[restive peak]

It will effect the higher end where things get tighter, in low keys your dps being 2-3% lower will dictate nothing

[restive peak]

In what sense

[coral dock]

If whoever is helping me wants to DM me it would probably help more so your advice and response doesn’t get lost in the million chat messages here

[restive peak]

We have a section for log reviews Dal

[trail bane]

Higher keys ultimately influence lower keys.

Fury being worse at higher keys means fury will get invited less in lower keys

[restive peak]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/449510248579858432

[quartz tulip]

bro just use Hekili and turn off ur brain

[bitter granite]

i run with frost dk enhance, or assa enhance and i lose overall by a little

[quartz tulip]

@coral dock

[coral dock]

Oh I didn’t know that lol

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[burnt stone]

I understand. Thank you.🧎‍♂️

[dense elbow]

2-3% is overall numbers. But 18% is a lot more in a lower key on the effect of a pull that lasts a few seconds.

In higher keys it normalises more towards overall potential. As less is packed into the burst window.

[restive peak]

Everyone gets invited less as DPS, people really need to get out of this pug mindset

[bitter palm]

🧎‍♂️

[tawdry bane]

as dps youre competing with 90000000000 other people

[bitter palm]

🧑‍🌾 🧎‍♂️

[quartz tulip]

yeah everyone get friends

[tawdry bane]

as tnak or heals theres 10 people on the server youre competing with

[quartz tulip]

so you dont feel like shit

for trying to play the game

on a shit class

[covert void]

if they get in keys that's true, but as always it's lost that when a spec is 'known' to be bad, it severely effects getting actual invites no matter how good that player is (in a pug, general environment not top world player) .

[quartz tulip]

and spec

[bitter palm]

bro legit

[coral dock]

Yeah?

[bitter palm]

pugging as any dps

is cancer

[restive peak]

I mean it's a video game about playing with a team

[quartz tulip]

thats already catering to solo players

[restive peak]

I pugged for ages to title, got there by consistently adding people or running my key, now I have a team

[quartz tulip]

give it 2 more expacs

[restive peak]

Took a long time

[quartz tulip]

solo content

gunna rule the game

[prisma rose]

My ret gets invited 10x more than my war with less gear and io on same keys

[trail bane]

That doesnt even make sense.

Yes, all specs have people that dont get invited. But there are always specs that get invited more (meta specs) and classes that get invited less (non-meta specs).

[restive peak]

When people say "BUT LINC YOU HAVE A TEAM"

[prisma rose]

[bitter palm]

no its a video game about refusing to make ur own keys or finding a group of people to play with and then complaining about it

[heady saffron]

let me get mythic gear from delve, and heroic loot from story mode

[restive peak]

Like yeah, they called me 1 day randomly and I started playing WoW for them

[restive peak]

^

[bitter granite]

im 2720 straight pug rn

[dense elbow]

Lincc, you feel quite out of touch. If you dont think meta perception and performance matters for what DPS ppl will bring.

[covert void]

bro, I don't know you, but you clearly love talking about how good you are. we get it. you're not the average player so not sure why you talk for all of us.

[bitter palm]

im straight jorkin it to subterfuge changes

[quartz tulip]

he been out of touch

[spare steppe]

outlaw too

[bitter palm]

outlaw is 8

[feral ivy]

think i should turn my necro 11 to a 10?

[restive peak]

Of course I know it does, but melee has been dogwater for ages and will ALWAYS be the lower meta

[prisma rose]

Insanely good

[dense elbow]

Then stop trying to brush the concerns of others away

[hollow shell]

Yeah I have to admit I'm seeing a lot of "me, me, me"

[quartz tulip]

fr

[restive peak]

Again, I didn't log onto WoW 3 seasons ago when I started playing for title and have a team

[trail bane]

And melee will always keep being dogwater as long as people like you keep being Blizzard apologists

[calm quartz]

Linc out of touch? never

[restive peak]

I pugged it, with my key, and built relationships

[quartz tulip]

build deez

[trail bane]

Because as soon as melee comes close to being a meta m+ spec it gets nuked

[covert void]

this discord has a few very good warriors that are properly out of touch with the general player or even above average player.

and they shrug aside their concerns

[restive peak]

If you want someone to stroke you for doing the rotation improperly and being antisocial on an MMO, you'll def think I'm out of touch

[covert void]

because get gud.

[trail bane]

And people sit on discord and the forums and go "hey its not so bad we have always been shit Blizzard is doing great"

[restive peak]

But if you're actually believing I just randomly lucked my way into this io and a team, you're just kidding yourself

[dense elbow]

While your points are fair, you are coming into this enviroment grandstanding and on a soapbox atm. Telling ppl "there is no such thing as the issues you mention, I know because I know better than thou"

[covert void]

if you're literally a 0.01% player for a class maybe you should recognise that instead of constantly banging on about it like it's the norm.

[bitter granite]

lol no one said that

[prisma rose]

Idk any melee that is struggling en

[quartz tulip]

literally no one said that

[hollow shell]

Every class discord has that one top percentile player with the elitist mindset of "well I did it, so you can too" and disregards anything anyone else says

[prisma rose]

All good/op

[restive peak]

You think that being a fury warrior is why you don't get invites

[trail bane]

You didnt. But you sure dont make a lot of sense when arguing about wether a class being strong at the high level influences wether it gets invited at the lower level

[restive peak]

And that's ridiculous

[bitter palm]

u did

[restive peak]

True

and real

[quartz tulip]

at this point being a fury warrior is now the reason we dont get invites

[covert void]

I quite literally, for many seasons, have not got invites due to things warrior lacks. so what are you a actually talking about.

[restive peak]

Well CURRENTLY we're extremely strong

[covert void]

I make do

[quartz tulip]

bro is so fuckin lost

[covert void]

so what

[restive peak]

So that's simply not true

[broken comet]

i told you guys before we got nerfed ?
what did you say? still good fury?
Its okay to get nerfed its not bad < you guys this stance always
thats why we keep getting nerfed fuck
fucking blizzard

[covert void]

but what are you a actually waffling on about my g

[trail bane]

And wether you like it or not, there are a ton of players who dont have a m+ team or are interested in getting one. The game is designed with pugs in mind.

And for all the people who pug it matters if a class is good or not at higher levels

[bitter palm]

and u are in a top 20 guild by stroke of luck as well

u performed well in a heroic pug

[quartz tulip]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

@bitter palm

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-peak-fiction-absolute-cinema-gif-8477083568112127482

[coral dock]

I tried to post my logs to the logs channel but it said the post is blocked because it contains blocked content. Its the same link to warcraftlogs that I put here

[hollow shell]

I have personally not invited warriors intentionally in past seasons when they've been bad as well, because why would I take the average warrior when they're bad when I can take the average mage when they're good

[bitter palm]

average mage and good

icant

[prisma rose]

I will record a 5 min vid applying as a war 2400io and 615 and as a ret 1900 608. And you will see im being invited 10x more on my ret

[bitter palm]

they are unironically consistently the worst players

i have ever seen

[restive peak]

Do it brotherman

[prisma rose]

Its not even close

[restive peak]

Do it live, no vods, let's go

[quartz tulip]

yes

make a video

[covert void]

people who genuinely say been a warrior hasn't lead to struggling to get invites are genuinely properly ouch of touch with the average / above average m+ experience.

[quartz tulip]

live

[hollow shell]

I meant when mages are good, not when the mage player is good haha

[quartz tulip]

rn

pls

[prisma rose]

Its evem funny

[restive peak]

There isn't even a meta yet LOL

[quartz tulip]

??????????????????????????

[restive peak]

And I started pushing keys DF S2, by the way

[prisma rose]

Lmao

[restive peak]

So out of touch and just want to doom hard

[pearl sequoia]

yea either get a god mage or a mage that dies to every boss mechanic cuz he cant press shield

[bitter palm]

mage requires brain usage to live higher keys and ur average lpayer does not have that

[somber mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-gif-19633400

[trail bane]

I really should go to bed, why am i arguing with a guy whos shirtless in his discord profile pic

[dense elbow]

Lincc, why are you making this a "you" vs "them" thing?

[restive peak]

I mean enjoy your anger I guess

[feral ivy]

atm i see meta is rogue warlock and mage

[quartz tulip]

bro this guy has to have blizzards balls over his eyes fr

[feral ivy]

resto shammy healer

[restive peak]

Because the idea that we're weak is asinine

[covert void]

am I the only one that thinks all this guy ever does is waffle on about how good he is?

[quartz tulip]

no one said we are weak brodie

[restive peak]

The next nerfs are bad, CURRENTLY we are phenomenal

[quartz tulip]

but we are fuckin dog water

[restive peak]

Lol I'm like the worst "good" warrior here man

[bitter palm]

fury chat

lmao

[covert void]

but you talk the most about how good you are

[prisma rose]

We are phenomenal, rogues, dk and rets must be gods

[covert void]

fr

[prisma rose]

[restive peak]

No I don't

[quartz tulip]

kek

[calm quartz]

I mean, just look at his discord pfp, dude thinks highly of himself

[bitter palm]

ye bro cause i dont gap ret paladins on prio damage and st

[calm quartz]

[covert void]

you literally do lol

[restive peak]

I talk about putting in effort to get where you want to get

[hollow shell]

There are multiple other melee specs better than us, low and high keys

[restive peak]

And you're like "I DESERVE IT BECAUSE I SAID SO REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[prisma rose]

Exactly

[restive peak]

It's an MMO, make friends, get better

[quartz tulip]

NO

[prisma rose]

Pure cope saying otherwise

[restive peak]

Or get over it

[quartz tulip]

NO

[restive peak]

I respect that answer Frito

[bitter palm]

baits are going hard

[quartz tulip]

thank you god gamer Linc

[bitter palm]

in this channel

[restive peak]

Anytime Frito-lay-G

[prisma rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-god-like-vegapatch-he-is-unbeatable-he-has-devine-possession-alfonso-martinez-gif-24251043

[bitter granite]

lincc when ur pushing with ur team, what other 2 dps do u run with

[quartz tulip]

';..;'

[buoyant salmon]

linc also got tier gloves

[somber mauve]

fritto-rage

[dense elbow]

You kinda do, when you say:
"but I did X, I did Y, I did it! You struggle with something I easilly overcome"
That is saying you are better, or in other words: How good you are.

Accept that. No need to try to downplay it, if you feel you are speaking the truth.

[buoyant salmon]

god bless reclear

[covert void]

mhmm

[restive peak]

Jelly bro

[bitter palm]

if he did it u can do it too

[pearl sequoia]

@restive peak wwhat did u overcome m'lord

[bitter palm]

thats the point

[hasty forum]

i just joined, what is going on here

[quartz tulip]

ayo can we ask a real question

[dense elbow]

Ask away

[pliant jackal]

Obviously Linccstyle runs with Ret Pally and Ench Shammy and gets carried 🙃

[bitter palm]

true and real

[broken comet]

fucking fury is dead as always

[quartz tulip]

when are they going to let me interchange my pet family and its talents like why cant i have a little scuffed rat use lust

[bitter palm]

KEK NEW ACCOUNT

LETS GOOO

PREACH KING

[dense elbow]

Some internal banter and yapping. Fury just got nerfed again.

There are two sides:
Those who don't want to take it, and the ones who say it doesnt matter - cause we still fine.

[quartz tulip]

im sick of only using the same pet families for lust

[bitter palm]

no one wants it

[quartz tulip]

they all look like shit

let me lust with a fuckin rat

[spare steppe]

i still am more upset about the adds being removed

than the 5 cap

[bitter palm]

people are just overreacting

[trail bane]

Whats going on is a man with a shirtless discord profile pic is on a power trip while defending Blizzard, making arguments like a 9 year old while random people are trolling him.

[quartz tulip]

SOMEONE PIN THIS

[hollow shell]

Spot on

[calm quartz]

Holy based

[covert void]

😂

[bitter granite]

i mean i am like #3 fury world rn and i run with pugs, mostly enhance assa and frost and im like at like 1.7-1.8 and theyre at like 1.9 close to 2

[bitter palm]

this chat is proof why warriors dont get invited

[bitter granite]

like idk fury feels awful

[hasty forum]

i mean honestly, maybe we are fine, but why aren't enha and retadins nerfed? it sucks being like an inch below them in dps in m+ yknow

[quartz tulip]

why dont we make a full fury warr dungeon with a pres healer

[covert void]

listen, get good mate.

[quartz tulip]

lets go

[bitter granite]

lolll no shot

[covert void]

play better

[bitter granite]

im saying it feels bad to get nerfed more

pipe down buddy

[granite glade]

im gonna join groups and constantly emo-spam the party chat 😂

like eeyore

[dense elbow]

Because; we can overcome this issue by simply playing better and teaming up, networking - the disadvantage simply a hill to climb and overcome - so we in the end can bask in the sun rise glory.

[restive peak]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[pliant jackal]

yea its not prevent it doesn't suck to get nerfed again

[granite glade]

https://tenor.com/view/eeyore-winnie-the-pooh-gif-8798170

[hollow shell]

Considering the utility difference, I can't see us being a pick for the meta if we aren't the top dps. If assassination matches our dps output, they would get first choice over us for having shroud, sap, a plefora of stuns etc

[pearl sequoia]

ur always a meta pick in ur own key

🙂

[restive peak]

Funky how big of an AOE nerf are these changes, walk me through the %s ok? Let's go this route

[bitter palm]

not the utility talk again

[dense elbow]

No idea

[bitter palm]

icant

[dense elbow]

what is your point?

[hollow shell]

Maybe our AP buff? But it isn't that great esp if you end up with a caster comp

[covert void]

blizzard can nerf us 4 times, 5. who cares. network bitches. slap keys better.

[arctic grotto]

Blizzard saw more than one warrior in world first teams and thought no shot nerf this shit to death right away

[restive peak]

No idea, but it's the end of the world, right?

[olive wraith]

Do rogues have a short cd aoe stop?

[dense elbow]

Did I state it is?

[hollow shell]

Well if we are lower dps than other classes, what other reason would we have for being a viable option?

[dense elbow]

Am I going to die when the nerfs come out, are the fabric of reality undone?

[hollow shell]

If we can't bring dps OR utility, we don't get taken.

[bitter palm]

dmg>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>utility

[summer quail]

maybe

[pearl sequoia]

ur gonna wake up with some dk spells on ur castbar

[hollow shell]

"IF WE ARE LOWER DPS"

[pliant jackal]

we have decent ulitity what are u guys on

wtf

[bitter palm]

u still wouldnt get invited

[hollow shell]

Yeah exactly haha

[opal zenith]

We have utility?

[lament hinge]

we dont bring dps so we dead weight

[bitter granite]

this guy is so funny

[bitter palm]

according to this chat we dont sorry

[pliant jackal]

we have great sustain and tankiness, rallying cry, shockwave, stormbolt, great movement.

[lament hinge]

might aswell spec prot and have 2 tanks instead

[dense elbow]

All people ask of you seems to be this:
Accept that things getting gradually worse, makes things gradually harder. Especially more so at the lower end - wher e these things matter more due to community perception. While, as you pointed out yourself, premade and teamwork - makes the dream work. No matter what happens.

Just try to look on it from the other side, not only topside down. But also down up.

[broken comet]

we r getting more nerfs because of people like you

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[covert void]

I was agreeing with you btw

[bitter palm]

preach

i agree

[bitter granite]

my fault seemed like u were egoing

[hasty forum]

my mythic raiding guild is already only inviting one warrior to the mythic raid prog, and he is only there for the buff and rally, awesome.

[random raptor]

Hey guys, I'm looking at logs and I've noticed there are a lot of other warriors who perform better than me with lower ilvl and 10k more strength
any idea why their strength is so high? (or if mine is low)

[covert void]

oh not at all. pure sarcasm.

[bitter palm]

facts

[manic pelican]

Nerfs smurfs we’ll get over it.

[hollow shell]

They probably have low ilvl rings/neck and have high ilvl main pieces. So they're a lower ilvl overall with more strength

[covert void]

there be some very, very good warriors in here. and the fact that they're concerned says everything.

[hasty forum]

you will never get over a nerf brother

[buoyant salmon]

why

warrior good on every boss

[pearl sequoia]

wait.. 10k more strength

wut

[pliant jackal]

mfers be remembering nerfs from 3 xpacs ago lmao

[hollow shell]

10k seeks ridiculously large lol

[hasty forum]

not really better than ret and enha

[pearl sequoia]

are you wielding a fuckin staff

or something

like

[buoyant salmon]

depending on the boss, yes really better than ret and enha

[weary sail]

we getting nerfed again???

[buoyant salmon]

outside of pure st where enhance is better

[weary sail]

[dense elbow]

Depends if adds gotta die or nah

[south chasm]

will arms be better after nerf?

[random raptor]

for example, looking at logs like this

[south chasm]

why does blizzard hate fwar?

[dense elbow]

Not hate - just dislike

We are a problem child atm

[random raptor]

I'm on the right

[weary sail]

blizzard takes a look at this and said you know what, lets nerf Warrior

[opal zenith]

Target cap nerfs can be some of the most brutal nerfs in the game. We already weak af ST. This might mean arms is all thats left for us lol.

[broken comet]

is this warrior discord? what are these idiots who seem okay with being nerfed? fuck

[bitter palm]

preach

[hollow shell]

Nah but apparently we are broken right now 😂

[dense elbow]

Just nerfs are fine. Even if we are warriors, we want to be balanced.

Problem is if or not, and this seems a bit too much.

[covert blaze]

game bad

[frail trout]

fix 4-piece, buff the shit out of mountain thane

w

[dense elbow]

no u

[weary sail]

why warriors being nerfed, its already middle of the pack....

[bitter palm]

tier list = objective truth i agree

[arctic grotto]

How is Aug A tier, they barely do any damage

[hasty forum]

one question guys, how is networking and community gonna make me not feel like a dumbass trying to outdps a ret now?

[dense elbow]

Is that two Bs?

[kind sundial]

Ret b- LMAO

[dense elbow]

Man, tierliests evolving

[opal zenith]

Fury will 100% need some numbers adjusting elsewhere if we want to stay at all competitive. This sucks.

[lime plaza]

Try to outdps a ret LUL

[dense elbow]

It aint easy, but if lucky it doable

[weary sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO2oDHnNuz4
critcake sounds like hes about to cry

[dense elbow]

Ret is quite good atm

[hollow shell]

Augs ebob might is roughly 30s cd and ret pally is 30s cd on wings, they'd line up perfectly

[lime plaza]

Not if hes on point no shot

[midnight jackal]

ret brings big numbers and a shit ton of utility

[broken comet]

be careful man some idiots will see this and say its okay fuck

[dense elbow]

Hey- that utility is used to support us as well. So all good.

[obsidian wraith]

in that particular instance, your gear fluctuates in ilvl a lot more than the set on the left. they may have more strength due to their consistent ilvl/slot?

[sudden tusk]

had to whip out paint

for the thumbnail

you know its serious

[slim coral]

this ST rash log change is stupid

[bitter palm]

buff demolish by 8000%

[random raptor]

I've looked at 3 other top performing warriors and they all had 10k+ strength difference

[lime plaza]

Critcake basically inventes fury warrior and even hes concerned

[hollow shell]

Has anybody done the math and worked out how much of a dps loss the datamined nerfs will end up being roughly?

[dense elbow]

I think everyone agrees to that

[bitter palm]

arcane almost matching arms is even more stupid

29 year long exe phase

[random raptor]

is 61k low? I'm actually so confused, my rotation doesnt look that bad, does need work

[slim coral]

just rewards counter intuative cd usage

[dense elbow]

yep

[slim coral]

wanna save cds for ads to help guild

[dense elbow]

Do the right thing

kill the adds, kill boss

[slim coral]

yeah ik

it' just dumb

[dense elbow]

Logs are just windowdressing

It really is

agreed, 100%

[torpid sand]

Is fury channel still doomposting

[south chasm]

every1 complain about war nerfs maybe they will buff our sustain dmg

[wheat path]

yes

And honestly for good reason

[trail bane]

Lets look at some numbers shall we.

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-1/all/world/leaderboards#role=dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=2:maxMythicLevel=99

Fury warriors make up 8.3% of all dps invited to keys of any level.

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-1/all/world/leaderboards#role=dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=10:maxMythicLevel=99

If you only look at keys +10 or higher, we make up 7%.

Ret is at 8.5, Frost DK is at 9.2, Arcane Mage is at 10.4

And if we look at completed +13's we make up 0%.

The only DPS specs that are doing +13s are Enha, Aug, Frost DK and Frost Mage.

So why is fury getting nerfed? It has nothing to do with m+.

We are not special in m+.

We are average. Maybe upper middle.

We are getting nerfed because we can completely destroy small adds in the raid, like the maggots on Broodtwister or the webs on Queen.

Sadly those nerfs will also affect our already mediocre m+ capabilities.

And sadly the previous nerfs also affected our already abysmal single target.

In other words, it makes no sense we would be getting nerfed without some compensatory buffs.

And anyone arguing that the nerfs dont affect our ability to do m+ and everyone should just "get a m+ group" is high on bathsalts.

[granite glade]

maybe they'll make us ranged like kratos with chain-blade things

[weary sail]

LOL FURY IS COOKED

[hasty forum]

warrior fury is fucked as fuck

[bitter palm]

brother in chrsit

[weary sail]

we literally LAST place in single target DPS

[hasty forum]

being on par with aug is a fucking joke

[weary sail]

and geeting nerfed

[covert void]

pre nerf

[weary sail]

HAHAHAH

[bitter palm]

fury is brought for aoe

not st

[covert void]

btw

[dense elbow]

Barrelz, did you just make another account - to reply to your account?

[broken comet]

be careful man some idiots will see this and say its okay fuck

[hasty forum]

" Fury is brought for aoe "

[bitter granite]

time to reroll ppl

[keen kindle]

a good aug will skill diff fury now

[broken comet]

fucking idiots

[unkempt galleon]

all 5 targets

[hasty forum]

nope he is not me

[weary sail]

AoE

[keen kindle]

I'm joking

[dense elbow]

Not "ok" directly, but they will say, from a certain point of view and under set conditions, this is fine. Because, you see, the nerf isn't that big - so it wont affect anything if you address the issues within your group.

[trail bane]

And they are delusional because not everyone has a group or wants to have a group

[dense elbow]

Lets be real, few things beat a god aug.

[bitter palm]

rashanan adds

[broken comet]

See guys?? even in this situation that kind of sound seems to be coming out

[dense elbow]

It is unavoidable

[hasty forum]

is this before the odyn's fury nerfs?

[bitter palm]

what nerfs

the target cap or

[lilac orchid]

where from

[bitter palm]

boss damage on a spec that is being brought for add damage

and is holding cds for adds

instead of sending on boss

[dense elbow]

The sassy EU forum doom posts are the best kind

[sudden tusk]

i like how warrior gets nerfed like this

and they dont touch breath

very cool

[dense elbow]

We are the bigger issue

[bitter palm]

nah cant touch them

we are a massive issue

for sure

[bitter palm]

post

[dense elbow]

That is already live, yep

That buff made me personally very sad

[bitter palm]

tmy had 1.7 mil

on rashanan

with adds

[tidal kindle]

You mean he had 0

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[lime plaza]

Lmaoo

[dense elbow]

G-spair, made thiz

[lament yarrow]

How much mastery is too much mastery?

[dense elbow]

302%

[random raptor]

Can anyone help me figure out why so many of the top warrior logs have 70k+ strength and I only have 61k?

[sudden tusk]

Design fights and dungeons around burst aoe

[torpid sand]

Time to play Arms once again

[lime plaza]

Never enough mastery

[gaunt moat]

i usually don't doom but when watching our single target and more nerfs coming i kinda begin to feel bad about it

like

[trail bane]

Nerf Dev single target.

[gaunt moat]

we're almost at the level of aug in st

[dense elbow]

Dawn and NW, and stuff do that - so that is there

[trail bane]

(thats Rashanan add dmg like your picture)

[gilded pawn]

Higher ilevel on the right pieces

[trail bane]

Except Dev has twice as good single target as us

And more utility

[random raptor]

Gear isnt that different, in most cases its 500-1k strength difference at most

[dense elbow]

Who needs ST dam tho, we kill adds

[broken comet]

fucking fury is dead find another character before sucking your finger

[dense elbow]

that is our job

[hasty forum]

add killers

[gilded pawn]

Link a log and link your character

[trail bane]

Yup, we press coolies every 45 seconds and go afk for the rest of the fight

[gilded pawn]

You could also be using a trinket that gives no main stat

[hasty forum]

boycott the spec

boycott it

[dense elbow]

Never

[lament yarrow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/bobberrtt

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/bobberrtt#difficulty=4

[wheat estuary]

on queen, are the tombs not counted to dps?

in logs

[lament yarrow]

Feel like i should be doing better. Following rotations, uptime is good. Not sure whats up. Feels slow and a lack of procks/rage gen sometimes.

[dense elbow]

Prob just gear issues

[lament yarrow]

Usually top or close to top of charts but still

Doesn't help that the 4 piece is pretty dog water

[hasty forum]

don’t worry, you will be needed in keys when you do less damage than ret, frost dk, enhance, mage and many others, with far less reason to actually bring you with no cr or lust.

Even better? in a few months you get to be even worse when the patch hits! invest that time now, friend, stocks going up.

[lime plaza]

If I stop getting picked for keys ill just retire for the season lmao

[lament yarrow]

So pretty much roll an arcane mage? Got it lol

[kind sundial]

Patch 11.1 they'll nerf fury again

[hasty forum]

roll dk or mage

[kind sundial]

[lament yarrow]

I'm at the point of almost retiring for the season as it is

[sudden tusk]

Design fights around burst aoe. Have add health so low fury overperforms in heroic week causing faulty data. Nerf Fury 3 times on faulty data. Force raid groups to play 2-3 fury warriors for burst aoe profile becuase adds have too much health. Guess its a fury problem?????

[torpid sand]

Just play prot

[hasty forum]

learn how to boycott, it works

[kind sundial]

Honestly tempting but I've never tanked before

[random raptor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kRtp8bCcMa16LgAn#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=76 thats me

[lament yarrow]

Prot war doesn't even compare to blood dk and bear tank atm lol

[dense elbow]

Got to nerf Fury, so other specs get to shine in the role

[wheat estuary]

on queen, are the tombs not counted to dps?
in logs

[torpid sand]

Still higher chance to get picked for M+ than playing fury

[random raptor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/kRtp8bCcMa16LgAn/TRXB6yFJNhdpYZrL#fight=60,1&source=76,Chièftàin&type=summary thats one of the logs

[gilded pawn]

Link another char you are looking at

[hasty forum]

i had hoped that in those nerfs, they would buff arms aoe and buff mountain thane but nope, they nerfed arms aoe too for whatever fucking reason?

like hello?

nobody picks arms for aoe

[dense elbow]

You bring the best tool for the job

[random raptor]

this gamer is one of them https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TRXB6yFJNhdpYZrL#fight=1&type=summary&source=18

72k strength

[buoyant salmon]

4 ilvl uppies

[random raptor]

gear isnt that difference, is my toon bugged because earthen maybe?

[hasty forum]

i hate this mentality of said spec can't do X, why can't arms be a good aoe spec?

[dense elbow]

Well, by that logic, every spec should do burst equally well to fury

[hasty forum]

fuck the already established traditions

[gaunt moat]

maybe it's taking the trinket in the strength total?

[dense elbow]

If you want all specs and classes to be one big mush of the same; then sure. Everyone can do X, Y, Z.

Doesnt sound like fun to me tho

[gaunt moat]

nvm you both have transmitter

[lime plaza]

Arms cant be a aoe spec, just like a prius cannot be a race car. It lacks the equipment

[hasty forum]

except, this is a game where like the devs can magically invent a new ability for arms that deals 50m damage

and that can't happen to that prius

[dense elbow]

Yet, you argue for everyone to become the same thing

You dont see that as a problem?

[gilded pawn]

yeah i wont be surprised if he prepulled transmitter

and it counted in his initial strength

though that doesnt make sense either

because he still did 200k more dps than you

[random raptor]

so if that's the what's happening, then my stats/gear is fine and its a rotational issue?

[broken comet]

some fucking idiot make nerf again its okay even if it gets nerfed its still strong<< like this fucking idiots

[gilded pawn]

im still trying to figure out why he has more stats than you

your gear is 100% fine

you have massive weapons

[hasty forum]

i am not arguing for every spec to become the same thing, arms already has the aoe abilities

just needs buffs, it is not a foreign concept that a spec can be good at both st and aoe

[wheat path]

Agree, arms needs some work

Its down pretty bad

[pliant jackal]

I wouldn't mind a small ST buff

[south chasm]

it was already insanely hard to get into pug keys now they just made it harder

[random raptor]

My strength goes to 77k with transmitter, if our gear is similar why is his only 71k? unless thats his base strength right?

[pliant jackal]

I haven't been a fan of Arms for a couple Xpacs

[gaunt moat]

No! We'll go below Augmentation and you'll like it!

pure st to bosses in mythic mode

[gilded pawn]

im too lazy to get a calculator to add up strength from gear

so thats on you

[dense elbow]

Community perception wont suffer before wowhead spreads the rumor that our damage is bad; showing logs.

[gilded pawn]

but everything else seems right

[placid crane]

what is this chart for??

[gilded pawn]

im still not sure how hes getting 10k

[buoyant salmon]

thats just factually not true lol

[gilded pawn]

he doesnt have pre pull ebon might either

[honest sundial]

Buck Flizzard

[hasty forum]

i'm rerolling a hunter

[gaunt moat]

Damage to bosses over the last 2 weeks in mythic raiding

our single target is subpar

[south chasm]

they dont do anything right

[broken comet]

yeah fucking blizzard

[pliant jackal]

Yall don't remember when Arms used to be the better Burst Aoe spec few xpacs ago lmao

[odd star]

what yall rerolling to

[south chasm]

arms was the better spec last season as well

wtf

[gilded pawn]

arms better in mickey mouse sesason

[broken comet]

fucking blizzard kill warrior again fuck

[odd star]

warrior = no privilege

[dense elbow]

take the flame to the forum, where it could make a difference

[odd star]

we're supposed to work to other, richer classes, to fatten up their reserves

[broken comet]

site link plz

[odd star]

warrior = honest 9 to 5 class

[gaunt moat]

i'm actually dooming fuck

[hasty forum]

what other class has no brain presses 2 buttons and tops dps charts?

[restive fiber]

paladin

[gaunt moat]

dk frost

[hasty pagoda]

when do we expect those nerfs to arrive?

[dense elbow]

EU https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow or NA https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/

[gaunt moat]

dk frost is dumber than all specs in the game except maybe frost mage

[hasty pagoda]

increase my other then

[flat bear]

Going prot, only regret is I wasted two sparks on a 2 hander

[hasty forum]

same bro same

[lyric saddle]

smash ur button harder

[thick fossil]

I am absolutely shocked there is a clown saying that these extra nerfs are warranted.

[coarse nest]

#updates-midnight message

[odd star]

gtfo jizzguzzler

[coarse nest]

Just wow

[hasty forum]

??

[odd star]

sorry

im amd

mad

[hasty forum]

i'm dooming so hard over this state

[sinful spoke]

Ai art zzzz

[dense elbow]

Well, it is only 4% overall, who cares about burst profile getting gutted. HueHueHue - nothing to be worried about. 4% is like less than 10%.

[south chasm]

imagine having every1 waste sparks and then nerf

[thick fossil]

Soon to be Beast Master hunter again. Paladin is very simple. Arcane is pretty simple. Pretty much all specs are pretty easy these days. Only a couple outliers that take a decent amount of setup.

[south chasm]

blizzard dumb af

[lyric saddle]

arcane is not simple ahah

[coarse nest]

Blizzard can get all the way bent with those changes

wtf

[sinful spoke]

How much have we been nerfed in total so far

[gaunt moat]

Ppl saying on the forum we're mid to high mid dmg in pure single target than you watch bosses like Sikran and here we are

[dense elbow]

You know the devs are currently sipping coffee, enjoying the show. Being like "this is for beating me on DPS ya ape"

[sinful spoke]

No theyre scared

[hasty forum]

i'm already leveling my alt bm hunter bro this shit is ridiculous, these classes you mentioned get to play the game with 3 buttons meanwhile we struggling to dps with 564654 fucking apm

[thick fossil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NedyOD2mGhY?si=nFrZTgqhXkgv1wwP
Say what? This is hard?

[sinful spoke]

Theyre gonna revert the nerf

Watch

[lyric saddle]

ahahah

[dense elbow]

Nah, they will just give us a 3% aura buff. Making the raiders happy.

[strong pilot]

people said not to doom last few nerfs but man the third one lol

[dense elbow]

The OF buff dev is gone - now there is only the 3% aura buffers left.

And they want it

flat

Who likes burst damage anyways, it is boring.

[coarse nest]

Yeah who likes to spike 10million

[strong pilot]

yeah not like the burst was how fury was designed or anything true

[coarse nest]

Rets DKs mages etc can all have there absurd aoe burst and we just get fucked?

Thanks

[dense elbow]

This be the way

[honest sundial]

I swear bro
Blizzard what the fuck are you doing
Are you even playing the game

[thick fossil]

The 10% and 15% on Bladestorm and OF was realistic. The 3% aura, it was like "meh" not a big deal. Sucks, but workable.
With these new changes in the pipeline, man that's just kicking us while we're down after knocking the ice cream out of our hand.

[honest sundial]

Is there even fucking warrior dev

[hasty forum]

we need pilav to make a video about the warrior nerfs

[honest sundial]

Or is it mage dev that spends 5% of his time for warriro stuff

[dense elbow]

They are cleary slowly erroding our brust, to become flat and boring. This will go on and on, chip chip chip

[void ridge]

I miss DF class balancing notes where fury warrior was basically absent for the entire expac

[dense elbow]

Then they aura buff us back up on overall - making raiders happy happy

Cause ST up

[hasty forum]

most wow devs play ret and arcane mage what do u expect

[lyric saddle]

and warlock

[strong pilot]

fury legit hits like a wet noodle outside of burst

pain

[coarse nest]

It’s honestly sad

[dense elbow]

Lower DPS in the downtime is the price of having burst

you cant have burst and high sustained DPS

[languid vine]

do we keep our pve 4 piece tier for pvp as well or?

[dense elbow]

Nah

2 is fine, but 4 is pointless to go after

[hasty forum]

i kinda hate burst tbh

[void ridge]

warrior has tier this patch?

[hasty forum]

high sustained dps is much better

[dense elbow]

Then fury isnt for you - well, soon it will be

[tawny shadow]

Well, we'll have neither now.

[dense elbow]

It is getting there, BigK

[hasty forum]

you guys remember at the start of tww when everyone was making fun of boomkin?

kek

[verbal dragon]

new to war and just foundout i needed 2 2hs, can i buy them on ah or do i needa craft or farm them on m+

[tawny shadow]

Reroll

[honest sundial]

DELETE WARRIOR

[hasty forum]

it's not too late for you sir

[strong pilot]

fury is THE class designed for burst

[dense elbow]

you can do all of the above, easiest start is prob AH, buy two greens.

[strong pilot]

if you want sustained deeps fury aint it

[dense elbow]

Guys - lets not doom attack a new guy asking for advice.

[wheat path]

Arms Season 3 did so much better than fury

[verbal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264812529822203996/1284193319387136060/togif.gif

[strong pilot]

You can craft them, but if you just wanna try, getting some 2h greens on AH is fine

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/paper-gif-21548222

where

[verbal dragon]

is it worth to replace these

or nah

[sullen dove]

amirdrassil was just as made for fury as this raid is

[strong pilot]

are these 2handers?

[sullen dove]

they're 1handers

[strong pilot]

yes replace them'

[verbal dragon]

1h

[wheat path]

Arms pumped fyrakk with execute windows

[dire rover]

They created 6 encounters almost perfectly tailored towards Fury Burst spikes just to take away our burst (and for some reason arms aswell lol) and making us hit the lowest ST of all classes.
That will leave us with a low to mid performance in Overall (!) raid performance and dog tier for any other PvE content.

At this point I cant even imagine a world where warriors top any charts anymore ^^

[strong pilot]

smf is really bad

[sullen dove]

fury's execute was almost as good as arms then

and like 10x better on the rest of the boss

cuz s3 set was actually good

only good set to come out of df

[odd star]

fury = bottom 1 class in a few weeks
stop the cope

its over

[honest sundial]

SWITCH TO PROT

Since u have 1 hander already

[strong pilot]

You can make 610 pvp 2h if you really want to

[odd star]

ret, ww or assa

[strong pilot]

its crafted

[odd star]

is the question

[dire rover]

Safest would be ret

[brittle crow]

attempting to switch to pally
my established warrior keybinds have no room for all this utility

[thick fossil]

If they made execute giga-damage again, and left it's sudden death and other ability interactions it might make up for this shit.

[brittle crow]

wtf do i do

[tidal kindle]

Nice name

Still lose to uncapped classes on 5T

[honest sundial]

YEP

[wheat path]

yep

[honest sundial]

SO FUN

[dense elbow]

This hurts every time

But now we clearly more specialised into 5t

[odd star]

to think i switched from ret back to warrior just cause its my main from 10 years but i already knew warrior is never any good and i copium'd myself into losing hundreds of hours into this toon

[wheat path]

This is why you should play what you like

[honest sundial]

we are specialized into pressing battle shout!

[odd star]

I LIKE FURY

[wheat path]

Then play it

[honest sundial]

no other class can press battle shout as good as we do!

[odd star]

i like meters more bro

[wheat path]

: (

[inner zinc]

or rally cry

[dense elbow]

It is important to note:
Warrior is not dead in the water. We just slowly going down to mid.
You can continue playing and nothing should change for you. Other than if community perception thanks to warcraftlogs/wowhead makes everyone think we are useless.

[honest sundial]

oh yeah the 3 min cd in m+ for 10% HP gotta love it!!!!

[odd star]

being mid tier is ok if you have a niche

[dire rover]

We dont even want to spend our talentpoints on capstones 😄 Its a mess

[hasty forum]

it already started happening

[odd star]

mid tier withou ta niche is same than bottom 1

[dense elbow]

We have one, even tho it is erroding. Niche is dying

And raiders applaud

[thick fossil]

Picture this for Arms: being able to use Execute in Colossal Smash window for a hero talent.
For Fury: Have Execute work like Condemn. Have it do the shadow damage. Have it usable from 100-70, and 25-0.

These are just spit ball ideas.

[hasty forum]

classes are either meta instant invite or mid and doesn't get invited

[dire rover]

Bring back NF Smash and make it uncapped!!! Remove Spear

[wheat iron]

I may be naive, but perhaps they are gonna buff Fury in other areas?

[odd star]

or they have utility and lust and get somes invites even when mid

[thick fossil]

Ancient Aftershock would be nice if they made it a glyph.

[wheat path]

They shouldve done it with the nerfs to odyn and tr

[dense elbow]

I expect our burst to be basically gone by the end. Then they aura buff us to a decent spot.

So if you enjoy flat

[thorn skiff]

It's the only way the nerf is justified but they would've done so.

[dense elbow]

you gonna come out as a winner

[dire rover]

😂

[thick fossil]

Don't hoold your breath.

[neat coral]

Nah they’re pre nerfing us cause our season 2 tier set is gonna be goated, copium

[wheat iron]

Usually the flat aura nerf means they are gonna tune individual abilities, it was like this when they did the pally rework back in DF

[odd star]

if we were named warlock, mage or rogue maybe? but we are brown 9 to 5 worker

brown bar = no privilege

[wheat iron]

lmfao

[dire rover]

I mean you could see this a an ovinax Mythic buff, right? 😄

[strong pilot]

we got 3 back to back nerfs

[dense elbow]

They are attacking OF and TR over and over, our burst

[gaunt moat]

1% dmg to bloodthirst in 2p then 4 p will be you lose 1% dmg to bloodthirst

[strong pilot]

its already over

[sullen dove]

only acceptable if s2 set is the same as df s3

[hasty forum]

here is a serious question, how come warriors don't get bloodlust? the ability's name seems more like a warrior aesthetic but shamans have it

[orchid dagger]

Because fuck brown class

[wheat iron]

yeah i dont understand the nerfs tbh, im just on copium and hoping for the best lol

[dense elbow]

Ye

[dire rover]

Or play around with the idea of banners 🤔

[dense elbow]

dont do copium

[strong pilot]

been asking this since day one

[dense elbow]

just accept reality, it is what it is

Life sucks, WoW is part of life, so it too shall suck. So say the warrior devs.

[strong pilot]

the for the horde/alliance screams are literally bloodlust in cinematics

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-biggest-mystery-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-is-the-biggest-secret-its-the-most-mysterious-thing-nobody-knows-that-gif-21430284

[wheat iron]

hahahha good one, pretty close to truth potentially

[dense elbow]

Closer than it should

[strong pilot]

some guy said they shouldn't give lust to warriors cause hunters already had it