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young swan
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bad

bitter salmon
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rip my fault

young swan
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gapped by mythic weapon

brittle crow
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@oblique trail do u deal w/ sims

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or no

oblique trail
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wdym deal with them

brittle crow
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api shit

young swan
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apl work

oblique trail
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I don't make it but I can mostly read it and make very simple changes

brittle crow
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do u know if its optimal to send non-sudden death non 3stack non-juggernaut execute to opportunist optimize if i need the rage to ramp

lapis slate
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Aw shit

oblique trail
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The opportunist line itself is like a 0.1-0.2% increase, I have not checked to see what the increase is like in that scenario but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not worth forcing opportunist

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I don't think playing around opportunist is worth the hassle ever because of how small the gain is

brittle crow
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i will do literally anything for gains

smoky nest
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if i craft one weapon at 636, can i upgrade the other to a similar ilevel without spending runes or does it not unlock the discount?

ebon junco
ebon junco
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dw 3 of my warriors got offered it also

oblique trail
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You'd just have to relog fully afterwards to get the discount

smoky nest
brittle crow
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gear-a-rang goated

lapis slate
brittle crow
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ok fine ill stop trying to microoptimize nothing

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cant stop me from ramping early to use opportunist tho

oblique trail
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It's fine trying to, but without checking to see I don't think it's worth it

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I personally though don't play 100% like the APL

brittle crow
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my body is a machine that turns APL output into matched sims

oblique trail
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I'm sure it is

brittle crow
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im a genetic freak, and im not normal!

oblique trail
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Think you can say that about a lot of people on Skyhold

molten wing
hollow dragon
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meat hook? & cloak ?

rain tiger
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whats best way to sim for m+ ?

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routes and advanced mode or

oblique trail
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Patchwerk 5 min 1 target

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Whatever sims best in an ST scenario will be basically equally as good in AoE

rain tiger
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makes things easy

oblique trail
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Only exception being trinkets which you should apply some of your own thinking to

restive peak
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The only thing I ever swap for M+ is trinkets

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Literally that's all

warped bone
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Something is odd with Top Gear for me. It sims everything as a dps loss. Even items like cata head. That's defo an inc because it's simply an ilvl inc

molten wing
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post the sim and we can take a look

rain tiger
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Too many enhancements chosen. Reduce gem/enchant choices.

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shits so annoying

warped bone
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Like if i do a droptimizer the items show as upgrade. But not for Top gear. Must have disabled some setting perhaps

storm rune
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do you not have gems enabled?

warped bone
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I had on first sim. This one i tried without

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Both simmed as loss

night stone
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Guys, anyone know if there is a tracker for xalatath affixes?

warped bone
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While i know trinket/head at least are defo increases to DPS

buoyant salmon
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@restive peak should i play a thane key

restive peak
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Do it or you're scared

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Also stream it

fiery hornet
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Hero befoulers syringe (upgrade from champion surgical heartstopper) or getting 4-set, whats more worth?

warped bone
buoyant salmon
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twitch prime

restive peak
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Can get weps from M+, can't get 4 set from M+

fiery hornet
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weap is almost 20k dps on simc

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guess you answered my question

restive peak
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You should be crafting wep anyway at 636

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It's by far the easiest, most efficient upgrade directly

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And then your 2nd wep is giga cheap to 636 as well

fiery hornet
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So expensive tho ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

restive peak
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But you'll need it eventually

storm rune
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so it literally couldn't sim a majority of your pieces because it broke 4p

high echo
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Is the set bonus very underwhelming numbers-wise?

restive peak
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Yes but it's still worth using

warped bone
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Aah. ye i only made it switch head to tier with cata. Cheers Beer

delicate glade
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which trinket, sim says Shadow binding but not sure

unkempt trellis
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Crafting wep should i use the most expensive materials?

storm rune
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knife real good

molten wing
storm rune
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mandate better, but ilvl sadge

high echo
subtle sage
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sim suggests 613 shoulders. i have 1 piece of set item on chest 616.

storm rune
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who am I to argue with a robot?

brittle crow
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so get shoulders, then catalyst ur last 2 pieces

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easy 4 piece

sullen dove
elder sierra
restive peak
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Id take cloak personally, that shit is literal BIS for all content until mythic...but that's me

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If you have 1 piece, you have a cata charge

noble island
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7k dps increase, socket was only~3k

pastel olive
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Already have 4p...probably Trinket right? (Pls dont say sim it ๐Ÿ˜„ )

storm rune
noble island
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Sim it (Y) It's very easy

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/simc, -> copy -> go to raidbots -> paste, press the "select all vault items" under top gear -> wait a few min

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boom

buoyant salmon
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almost certinaly trinket lol

storm rune
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but also yes, obviously skarn shard

fluid cedar
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anyone using mandate+transmitter? im assuming if so it's better to use transmitter with cds then mandate after the on use cd is up

oblique trail
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Correct

fluid cedar
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ty. havent picked up a transmitter yet but im feeling it in the air this patch

rigid stirrup
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@restive peak is there a bug with siege of borales rn?

vague fern
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jeeez, trinket or weapon. sim is saying trinket, but weapon i can craft my gilded weapon today meaning i can upgrade that weapon to max.

oblique trail
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You can also farm Hero track weapons, that trinket you can't

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And it's arguably your best until you get it on myth track/get a myth Skarm/Mark

rigid stirrup
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if you aint hard farming grim batol wyd

vague fern
vague fern
rigid stirrup
# restive peak WYM

apparently this weeks affix, the orbs come from the water on last boss and it just bricks the key becuase no one can get it

restive peak
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Ohhh yeah

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We were able to do a 10 earlier but it was rough

oblique trail
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What even happens if they soak the balls

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do they just get damage

restive peak
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The orbs are bugged in a lot of dungeons, it's really bad

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They get a big damage buff

oblique trail
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oh great

rigid stirrup
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10% per orb hitting th emob

wanton cliff
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do we get another spark this week

oblique trail
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yes

restive peak
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But yeah, I don't think a 12 siege is doable rn

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But 7-10, depending on your groups gear/skill, doable

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Need to save every defensive for the time

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It's annoying

oblique trail
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Good thing I'm pugging it for gear

rigid stirrup
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just leaving defensive stance on ig

restive peak
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Just when the orbs come out and he gets buffed

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Pop ER+Dstance+SR

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and survive

rigid stirrup
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and pray

restive peak
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Rally for team as your ER ends etc

rigid stirrup
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I'm just gonna hold onto the key and hopefully blizz figures something out when i get back from my travel this week

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if not just gonna full send it on saturday

restive peak
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may be for the best

mighty torrent
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myth legs or transmitter hero (already have it champ)

empty wing
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I have this thing

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simming quite high

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Thoughts

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And how much of a gain is our 4 set

rigid stirrup
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2%

empty wing
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So not worth scuffing ilvl for I reckon

fair knot
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I can help with sims if you want

vivid lagoon
wicked dew
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I feel like I'm doing way less damage than I should. This was a 10 Mists, does this breakdown look normal or is there something that should be higher/lower?

sullen dove
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prolly make doubler embell on belt after getting this huh

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not that socket is like "holy shit 500000 dps" but like

ripe wyvern
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i need help

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tier chest or sacrbrood

vivid lagoon
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Trinket

rigid stirrup
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trinket 100%

hybrid terrace
vivid lagoon
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I would go trinket 1000000%

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Not even think about that

ripe wyvern
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is it rare to have a m+ trinket in the vault ?

vivid lagoon
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I see tier every time

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And you can use catalyst

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For any part you get later on

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Sรณ trinket is the go in my opinion thatโ€™s what I would do

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I always go for weapons and trinkets

sullen dove
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generally ya trinket a lot rarer than tier

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any slot can randomly roll into tier or you can just cata any chest into tier

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but 1 trinket out of the entire m+ pool of like 100+ items

wild mural
sullen dove
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syi killing mythic bosses..

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must b nice

wild mural
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we got first 3 down last night

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they were

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easier than anticipated

sinful glen
wild mural
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change your loot spec to arms next time ๐Ÿ™‚

sinful glen
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Before opening the vault?

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For main weapons?

cold knoll
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Hello guys , can you guys help me choosing :

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I'm hestitating beetween shoulders to turn them into set , or ring since i have a 580 ring rn

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and it's a bis one

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there is legs aswell

lean tartan
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ring is a good call

wild mural
lean tartan
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neck also bis

wild mural
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so those are wasted slots really

sinful glen
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thanks for letting me know, had no idea ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

cold knoll
lean tartan
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then id go for the ring cant go wrong with that one or go raid and then you can take what u need might be that youll get the ring in raid

cold knoll
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thanks

sinful glen
wild mural
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yea

sinful glen
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Thanks for letting me know, i had no clue

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so bummed about it now ๐Ÿ˜›

bitter salmon
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i assume picking a hero gear is higher priority than veteran?
veteran one provides me with 3p set so i could go for 4p this week

wild mural
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np we alll started somewhere

bitter salmon
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it will take me a while to farm for 616 pieces, so choosing those could be better in the long run ๐Ÿค”

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wish our set was any good but i am reading everywhere it's pretty bad

summer bobcat
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I got grim batol trinket from vault

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Not bad

leaden needle
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Same with + speed on it so that's nice ๐Ÿ˜„

marsh palm
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lets goooo

summer bobcat
leaden needle
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Sorry haha its so rare that I get to say I got something cool xD

summer bobcat
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Even tho i chose it but i have a feeling that its gonna drop the next grim i run

leaden needle
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Ez just never run grim batol again ๐Ÿ‘Œ

soft mortar
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This thing any good lads?

dire vigil
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bless up

dreamy bluff
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What is the cap of haste who need guys pls ?

leaden needle
molten wing
chrome relic
gusty fern
ornate gust
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Nice neck.. Let's gooooooooooooo

oblique granite
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I need help! i have no idea what to choose ? XD the helm from dungeoun tab has socket aswell. if anyone can poinmt me in the right direction i would appreciate that :_D

lament hinge
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prob tier chest

royal crater
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hey guys, im new in retail, have 2 questions: 1. If you kill 2 first bosses on mythic and get 1 slot in vault, do you have chance to get item from others bosses or only from that 2 bosses? 2. Can you wait with picking item from vault and do raids to see what you will get. does progress count for next vault, if you know what i mean? ๐Ÿ˜„

oblique trail
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And yes you can wait till after raid to pick your vault if you want to

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It'll still count your new weekly kills

royal crater
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thank you a lot โค๏ธ

oblique granite
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yeah i was lleaning towards either the helm or the chest .

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thank you for herlping out ๐Ÿ™‚

lean heart
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19 arakara's no sacbrood critcake

runic violet
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damn man...

oblique granite
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I just simd the great vault and it said chest so that is what we are going for ๐Ÿ™‚

orchid vault
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Would you pick 616 tier gloves or 613 tier shoulders from vault, got 606 champion gear in both slots atm

lament hinge
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shoulders imo

leaden spoke
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wtf do i take

lament hinge
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what u have

leaden spoke
willow cradle
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Plug that vault in a sim

sinful orbit
lament hinge
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was thinking that larynx trinket aswell

leaden spoke
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trinket is about 12k dps st

crystal turret
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Hey do you let enrage fall off completely before using Rampage? Or do you Rampage while you're still enraged?

empty thorn
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Does fury need 2x 2h at 636 before it's free to upgrade to 636 or is the crafted weapon itself enough

velvet pasture
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Guys what do you think better Mark of Khardros or Raid trinket (16k stats)?
Mark is myth, raid trinket is hero

empty thorn
oblique trail
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Maximising Enrage uptime like this isn't needed to maintain near permanent Enrage

young moss
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Which of the 5 tier piece slots do fury not use?
Or does it not matter much at the moment

oblique trail
oblique trail
oblique trail
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Picking the absolute "bis" tier piece only matters if you're in a bis setup, which the vast majority of people never get anyway, and the difference is typically within 0.1-0.2%

young moss
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Fair enough

desert summit
regal trellis
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gemslot angle

vast night
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is this trinket good? Or the task is too slow

oblique trail
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The trinket is very very good

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And the task takes at most 2-3 seconds to finish depending on which of the 3 tasks you get

lean heart
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sometimes theres so much shit on the ground its impossible to see the orb or the lil pad ngl lmao

unreal onyx
gaunt moat
# oblique trail The trinket is very very good

hi banezi i may need your help for my vault aswell please, i got bracers sadly they're haste vers + socket shall i take them or just ignore it since we gotta craft them later on and go for the heroic 2p? it's the biggest damage upgrade but i'm a bit lost since the socket is shining in my eyes

pallid cipher
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do I take hero tier legs with leech, already got hero track legs, hero tier shoulders or normal very rare cloak from raid?

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cant flipping decide these things

runic violet
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my dps feels low compared to others ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

golden hare
runic violet
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other classes

golden hare
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gg buff fury

oblique trail
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Luckily our tier isn't amazing, so going out of our way to highly prioritise it isn't something that's always the best option

tidal kindle
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I think at one point it was like

tidal kindle
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Within 1% difference to just skip 4p and go for highest ilvl piece

oblique trail
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ya..

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It's not too hot

golden hare
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bring back azerite armor is what i'm hearing

oblique trail
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bring back domination shards

tidal kindle
gaunt moat
tidal kindle
oblique trail
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Short/mid term it's a good option to do so, if you for example had really good wrists

gaunt moat
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Thanks for the help my friend, i'll do that then, i was just scared about my second craft since bracers seemed to be the way on wowhead

royal crater
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Anyone know where is Mysterious child in Mereldar, its quest from renown 22 hallowfall

gaunt moat
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alright i'll take them then thanks

slim coral
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Iโ€™ve been meaning to ask

tidal kindle
slim coral
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Yes

pallid cipher
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@oblique trail you seem to know your stuff. Should I pick normal very rare cloak from raid over hero track tier stuff?

tidal kindle
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Ripped aggro on add

slim coral
tidal kindle
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Panic ran away into charge

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Gg

slim coral
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Classic

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Iโ€™ve been ripping aggro on ovinax

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The first 30 pulls

tidal kindle
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Your tanks can't keep aggro on the boss?

slim coral
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Yeah that and the colossal ad

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They be on my ass

tidal kindle
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Colossal?

slim coral
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Yeah the colossal spider

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The big boy

tidal kindle
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There's the colossal ghuun looking mob

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It's more a slug than a spider imo

oblique trail
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I've also had people say there are adds on Bloodbound and Rashanan?

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I only see the boss

vast night
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One more question. ALready crafted 2 hander with Ascendance or w/e it is called. What is the next good embelish to put?

oblique trail
tidal kindle
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Withering something

oblique trail
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Writhing Armor Banding

tidal kindle
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2xs your ascendance

tidal kindle
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The 619 8/8 is w.e longer term

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Imo

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Unless his current cape is downright tragic

slim coral
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Itโ€™s a spider

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!!!

oblique trail
tidal kindle
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Does it crawl on it's back or smth?

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If those are it's legs

slim coral
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Brother that is the boss

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Are you trolling right now

tidal kindle
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Yes that's what I'm saying...

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Yes

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LMAO

tidal kindle
teal pine
tidal kindle
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Holy shit

slim coral
tidal kindle
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You're good

pallid cipher
tidal kindle
slim coral
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Anyways we actually got to a clean p2 so hyped to start reclear tomorrow

tidal kindle
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But yah we pull brood tomorrow

slim coral
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Same!

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Itโ€™s pretty fun

tidal kindle
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Gonna be fun

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Press ww rip aggro

slim coral
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Although not sure if I want to run transmitter

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I just got it today

oblique trail
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you do

tidal kindle
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I'm running knife/mark till I drop a skard

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Transmitter would be goat but like

slim coral
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Ok but what if I get the stand still one

tidal kindle
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Gl me xdd

slim coral
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And a parasite bites me

tidal kindle
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Stun

mighty swan
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Holy vault

oblique trail
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Then that's skill issue on your raids side

tidal kindle
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Fear

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Pray

slim coral
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Lmao fair

tidal kindle
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Or gz on trinket

slim coral
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We do have 2 blood dks and 2 frost

slim coral
tidal kindle
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I'd take trinket tbh

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Even though myth track skard is better

slim coral
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Yeah same

mighty swan
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Ye imma go for trinket

tidal kindle
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What are the odds you see that

slim coral
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I cannot get hands to drop

mighty swan
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Still have a 593 skarmorak xd

slim coral
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Iโ€™m still stuck with 606 ones sadge

tidal kindle
slim coral
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I have the 593 egg

marsh rapids
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You guys have skarmorak?

slim coral
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Good times

teal pine
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My vault was actually kinda crazy. All i did on both characters was 2 t8 delves and i got tier on both characters

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Kinda easy game

mighty swan
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Good times

tidal kindle
slim coral
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Ran 30 ara Karaโ€™s

tidal kindle
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I realized how bad it's gonna be

slim coral
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Game hates me

tidal kindle
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Farming 900 crests in 1 week

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If I try to do that again

marsh rapids
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๐Ÿ˜‚

slim coral
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Yeah Iโ€™ve been gearing my dk when I can

teal pine
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yea

slim coral
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Just for fun

forest owl
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guys, i spent all week farming ara kara and grim batol and got nothing xD

teal pine
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both my characters are still rats

slim coral
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Donโ€™t really wanna play arms if colossus ever becomes meta

teal pine
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warrior 602, DK 596

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casual mode

slim coral
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Can always get other on uses

tidal kindle
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Transmitter/skard > mark

forest owl
slim coral
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Yeah sac the easy choice imo

tidal kindle
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Sacbrood also has big value if you ever play arms

vast night
tidal kindle
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Kinda glad I got sacbrood in vault cuz I can always go mythic transmitter

limber tusk
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Boys what would you take, since the launcher is a skillshot

tidal kindle
vast night
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ah sry, didnt see that

fickle bluff
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launcher is also just not good

tidal kindle
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And fricc u

limber tusk
forest owl
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ye shard all day

limber tusk
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Thanks โค๏ธ

forest owl
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gz

slim coral
tidal kindle
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Havoc, 2dk, ww, enh, rogue, 2 war

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I'll have "I don't have a mythic-track on use / heroic transmitter" privilege

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Surely

crystal dagger
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Hi guys, is there a crafting/spark priority I can find somewhere? cheers

tidal kindle
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Because half of them do

restive granite
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whats the cheapest weapon to craft?

tidal kindle
vast night
tidal kindle
restive granite
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awesome ty, guy is asking me full rank 3 mats

crystal dagger
tidal kindle
# vast night and on which slot we craft this, sorry for being slow. Wrist/cloak?

This early I'd suggest crafting it in w.e armor slot is lagging behind to fast track to 636
You can sim this if you want to be precise about it

Assuming you can't afford recraft in the future feasibly, wrists is technically the best slot if you manage to get bis in all your other slots of gear
Cape is generally avoided due to very-rare cape from raid chance but the effect is w.e tbh

oblique trail
tidal kindle
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I crafted boots cuz they were my only 606 piece after reclear

oblique trail
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Yeah considering the same rn

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Got hero track in everything but boots

fading bane
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i will not be making wrists

icy topaz
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Oof

crystal turret
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Why does the ST raid build take Champion's Spear over Thunderous Roar? Doesn't Thunderous Roar do strictly more damage?

humble sierra
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hi guys, which is the best item to break tier?

oblique trail
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no

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But roar and spear is very close to each other

crystal turret
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Oh nevermind there are those talents that buff Spear

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Do people macro Spear to drop at target location?

rotund ginkgo
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unironic sim told me to grab trinket

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cuz my sacbrood is 606

tidal kindle
tidal kindle
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Trink is big up front value

humble sierra
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ooook thx mate^^

tidal kindle
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And saves you crests since you need 2 trinkets at the same ilvl

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To unlock no-crest upgrades

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Just like w/ ring

rotund ginkgo
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u srs w me rn?

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i thought about going helm

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bis off stats

tidal kindle
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Crafting cape is also an option for 2nd embellishment so

rotund ginkgo
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is taht trinket like unironically strong or?

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is it good for m+?

junior stream
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Hello guys ! Who is the best between Maxroll / wowhead for our bis list ?

tidal kindle
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Long term

rotund ginkgo
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so how the fuck does it sim

tidal kindle
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It's just up-front value in that you get a high ilvl trinket

rotund ginkgo
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that much higher?

tidal kindle
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Early

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Big dam right now

lament hinge
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cloak or boots for 3rd spark

tidal kindle
rotund ginkgo
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my plan was to get sacbrood and then just level both that+my transmitter to 62

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626

tidal kindle
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Yah

rotund ginkgo
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my helm is 613 so i figured ill grab the 623 helm

tidal kindle
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That's the other option I mentioned

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I just assumed you have helm tier slot - but yeah you can go for helm too

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Raid has a heavy haste/low verse helm I think though

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Just dunno how early/late that drop is

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Off the top of my head

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Again, you got options

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@oblique trail can weigh in maybe

oblique trail
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hola

tidal kindle
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I sleep

tidal kindle
dusty geyser
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what is the best slot to craft second embelishment ? wrists ?

tidal kindle
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Read from there

tidal kindle
oblique trail
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Idk think I'd do the same as Garms said

tidal kindle
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Third boss drops this helm

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Which is pretty solid, same stat distrib as tier helm

rotund ginkgo
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oh in that way

oblique trail
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30 gilded crest saved is very big value rn after they changed myth track to be 1/6

rotund ginkgo
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i got benched for that boss last week

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:kekw

tidal kindle
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Trinket is biggest value now and most savings long term

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Just doesn't feel the best

tidal kindle
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Saves you 75 crests

oblique trail
restive granite
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authority of radiant power is the one for M+? D:

tidal kindle
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Bitch hoe ass

oblique trail
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you're so good at complimenting people

golden hare
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GToxic

fading bane
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didnt u ahve hc version last week?

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rat

tidal kindle
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Banezi ran me some sims I think like

#

1% less on 5T sustained and 2% better on ST

#

For depths

oblique trail
#

Something like that

restive granite
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ

#

ty

oblique trail
#

Keep in mind it was with kinda poopie gear, but should still be fairly relevant

rotund ginkgo
#

ill take dog to poop and then reevaluate

tidal kindle
#

I'd guess at like 625(?) ilvl you'd start breaking even w/ radiant v depths

oblique trail
rotund ginkgo
#

it might be trinkie i guesssssss

oblique trail
#

got it on our prog kill

#

yoinkers

fading bane
#

ah

tidal kindle
#

I strategically planned out my crest upgrades so I don't get griefed by first 4 reclear next week

fading bane
oblique trail
#

My condolences..

tidal kindle
oblique trail
#

Got it on myth in the vault

#

but

#

Had to pass it up

tidal kindle
#

Exclude

Helm
Neck
Shoulders
Chest
Cape
Ring
Belt

Still broke even with all the other sims

oblique trail
#

Think I'd have to full send all runed to reach that

tidal kindle
#

Yah done w/ runed now

molten wing
#

more like gnoob smh look at those vers sockets smh smh

tidal kindle
#

I have like

#

45% mast natty

molten wing
oblique trail
#

Can I have some

#

I got like 9k/30%~

molten wing
#

have you tried equipping better gear peepostudy

vagrant dagger
#

which one do i take

oblique trail
#

sry..

native summit
#

is Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife a trap? Have it in vault at 616 and it would replace a 593 Skarmorak Shard. I only do m+

covert ibex
#

sacbrood

night relic
#

ballsack

tidal kindle
oblique trail
#

Sac also doubles as being even nuttier for Arms by a bit

#

Assuming you'd want to flex

tidal kindle
#

Also sac > mark if you swap arms

#

Yah

vagrant dagger
#

okay, that does it

#

thanks woyer frens

hybrid terrace
night relic
#

all these sacs in vault meanwhile me with my vers ring

tidal kindle
#

No merry sacmas for you

outer mason
oblique trail
#

oh

#

I'm cheating with that sim too

outer mason
#

Trasnmitter is kinda good right?

oblique trail
#

It uses 2 new crafted items xd

#

Transmitter is very very good

placid current
#

sack gamers

covert ibex
dim lynx
#

Well, Queen's mandate or the sack? both champion level

tidal kindle
#

That's not heroic mandate right?

oblique trail
#

It's normals

#

HC starts at 619

dim lynx
restive granite
#

ok i got a question, so if BS is 10 seconds ahead of OF i hold, but do i hold OF for bladestorm? it will desync it from reck if i do

tidal kindle
#

And a normal mandate would get easily replaced by something that can be easily farmed as well

brazen olive
#

is radiant power enchant any good on warrior fury or we do double depths?

tidal kindle
#

Neck has most long term value + is giga statted if you ever choose to play arms

dim lynx
#

true! let's see what the raidbot says, but I hear ya!

#

you are raidbot?

#

the algorithm is on the same side

tidal kindle
restive granite
#

why is everything so expensive still

#

like jewelry sockets, materials, herbs, enchantments

#

nothing is dropping in price

#

fucking hell

tired valley
#

Where's the spark quest for this week? o_O i can't find it

hollow raptor
#

are most fury warriors making an off piece with double embelishment this week with the free heroic enchanted crest from last week? and just spending gilded elsewhere

chrome plover
#

that's what I am probably doing

#

embellishment doesnt scale with ilvl this time so having lower ilvl on wrists/whatever doesnt seem that impactful

pallid cipher
#

Soo back an expansion or two you could calculate leech and avoidance to be worth xy amount of ilvl. Anything of the sort for TWW? Canโ€™t find any info on wowhead or icy veins

tidal kindle
#

I thought about doing that but then I just sent mythic crest on boots anyway since there's more sources of wrists

chrome plover
tidal kindle
#

Not better immediate value or in the long run though

#

Just better by the time I expect us to get to last 2-3 bosses

#

(I could be way off though)

chrome plover
#

fury isnt dying first anyway

tidal kindle
chrome plover
#

keeping my 606 emergency stop chain with speed forever

pallid cipher
#

Cool, f those tier legs with leech then, going for tier shoulders, they were bigger upgrade anyway ๐Ÿ˜Ž

burnt stone
#

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxJxRoetyhHwLUvaQeuTCa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c5dTgQzSongZ1uGBoxmkBi

Hello brothers
Link 1 is the default mt apl
Link number 2 is from maxroll
This is mt apl.

I think the main key to both rotations is whether to prioritize CB or BB.
For a fair comparison, both APLs have 3 stacks of MfE debuff or 1 stack of Sudden Death buff and set Execute as the highest priority when the buff expires.
The results were subtle, but the default apl was higher (3 to 8 targets in addition to DS simulation, etc.)
Still, I've seen many Fury players make a lot of rotations that prioritize BBs over CBs.
Are there any other special reasons that cannot be determined through simulation?

tribal flint
#

question and im talking below 10s. any thought into running Mountain thane for consistent damage on waves?
or is running the regular build the way still
probably because of boss damage still

oblique trail
#

The lower you go, the lower Thane's value also go

#

The higher you go, the lower Thane's value goes as well

tribal flint
#

So not worth even thinking about just keep running slayer

oblique trail
#

basically yes, but if you really want to play Thane then it's not gonna be what bricks the key, unless other things already went wrong before it

oblique trail
#

Wcyd..

dim lynx
# chrome plover :(

Someday. in 4-5 years it will be worth playing thane! I like it too. but it's not worth it now.

tidal kindle
#

So all wrists better if I ever swap arms (nexcess/silken)

#

Or we get infinite boot drops off second boss and I doomed myself

brazen olive
#

Does it matter which wep we have radiant power and depths on?

tidal kindle
#

No

brazen olive
#

ty

chrome plover
#

i will never swap arms i dont think

#

so dont need to think about that

tidal kindle
tribal flint
#

I may swap my OH to radiant power this week since its fort

tidal kindle
#

If I'm gonna drop 100k

#

May as well go 636

brazen olive
#

is double depths the move?

#

is 1 and 1

tribal flint
#

it is usually

#

thats what i ahve rn

brazen olive
#

procs alot?

tribal flint
#

to add to boss damage

#

which we lack

tidal kindle
#

Double depths is like -1% on sustained 5T and +2% on 1T

chrome plover
#

shit is so expensive lmao

flat river
#

This week BiS for fury?

brazen olive
#

ah ok thank you for insight yall

tidal kindle
#

Radiant has a higher opportunity for burst, but you can't guarantee the proc ling up w/ your CDs

brazen olive
#

ye its expensive af

tribal flint
tidal kindle
#

Nor do you really want to hold your CDs in these raid fights

#

(And generally speaking, also M+)

tribal flint
#

ill keep double depths

flat river
#

Real me too

tribal flint
#

u the goat

brazen olive
#

double depths it is then

latent matrix
#

Hey guys, I was wondering something, I got a hero track helmet with mastery on it but the BiS list from IV/Wowhead recommends the NW helmet. I don't understand why we would take an item without mastery when it's our BiS stat, is it because of the statcap ?

tidal kindle
#

Possibly subject to change as you get more geared / .5 patch changes

chrome plover
brazen olive
#

crafting bracers is the move then this week

chrome plover
#

changing one item (or many which is the case atm) will vastly change what is best for you at any given time

tidal kindle
brazen olive
#

gg

chrome plover
#

my weapons are cheap cos i just grief all my concentration and use rank 2 mats

#

but cant do that with armour :/

latent matrix
#

Thanks, I'll just sim then

chrome plover
#

and "cheap" is still 20-30k

tired valley
#

What/where is the spark quest this week? ๐Ÿ˜„

oblique trail
#

Same place as always

#

In front of the inn by the table

grizzled lion
#

Hey fellas, quick question. Ive crafted 636 and now im wondering if i int myself by crafting the bracers 619 or should i wait until 90 gilded again and craft them 636?

tidal kindle
oblique trail
#

The 90 gilded can be better spent on other pieces that actually matter

#

Since wrist ilvl barely does

tidal kindle
grizzled lion
#

You mean like upgrading gear iwth the gilded?

tidal kindle
grizzled lion
#

or crafting something else?

tidal kindle
#

Standing in spear....

grizzled lion
#

Cool thanks!

tidal kindle
#

I guess you can roar on silk

tribal flint
#

ah fuck u need 90 for gilded crest

tidal kindle
#

But nexcess

oblique trail
tidal kindle
#

Wait TRUE

flat river
#

I made cape and bracers cause I don't raid as much as i used to

tribal flint
#

my wrist is gonna be sore AF tomorrow and thats before i hit up the hub

oblique trail
tidal kindle
#

Imagine forgetting about that change

#

Definitely couldn't be Banezi

oblique trail
#

I have hated Spear since day one

#

I will remember any change like that

#

(Still want BotE instead)

flat river
#

You know, i actually suggested that indirectly

fresh ivy
#

should we not have berserker & avatar macroed together btw?

tribal flint
#

yes

fresh ivy
#

i mean

#

reck

#

ofc

tribal flint
#

no reason not to

flat river
#

Instead of a skill shot it would target an enemy and root them in place and anyone in a certain radius

tidal kindle
#

I do

  • trinket
  • reck
  • ava
  • roar (if roar)
flat river
#

That was my suggestion

#

And crit applies to all targets hit

#

But now they just made crit to all targets hit

#

Still a skillshot

fresh ivy
#

but isnt it valuable to pop roar before avatar?

#

for the extra bleed on odyns from avatar

#

i like the idea to just zugzug macro right in there

flat river
#

The extra 20% dmg is stonger

fresh ivy
#

just wondering

flat river
#

Plus

fresh ivy
#

okay

flat river
#

Xtra bleed dmg still apllies even if bleed was applied before

leaden wasp
#

hey guys, which 4 tier slots do we wanna use? i often see head slot as non tier item.

flat river
#

I think

fresh ivy
#

aha

tidal kindle
#

Avatar is off global, so you can do Roar + Ava + OF same time

fresh ivy
#

do u need any /stopcasting in between them or

chrome plover
tidal kindle
#

Due to titan's torment being on ava-cast and not needing a GCD

#

Err

flat river
#

With enrage talent free enrage

tidal kindle
#

W.e the OF talent is for avatar

#

Yah

#

Titanic rage free enrage

#

Since avatar lasts long enough to cover the DoT of roar, this way lets you also buff the first hit of roar w/ ava + enrage

flat river
#

I like fury being really good finally gladge

fresh ivy
#

so should the macro be in a specific order?

flat river
#

Copefully no more nerfs

fresh ivy
#

also, best to save all the gilded crests so far to upgrade wep craft?

chrome plover
fresh ivy
#

thanks โค๏ธ

opal spindle
#

yo guys i was wondering if bop or boe are available on first trash before first boss on mythic raid ?

maiden helm
#

Is the ara kara trinket bis? I get lower dps with it when simming, I have these 2 and just got the egg 606 aswell

#

or should I use it still, mainly in m+

pseudo marlin
#

Hows our 4pc?

#

Garbo?

molten wing
#

2-3% overall dps increase

#

pretty garbo

pseudo marlin
#

And prot/arms?

#

Arms seems shit anyways

#

Mainly interested in fury/prot

#

Why the fuck does blizzard hate warrior so much

slim coral
pseudo marlin
#

Fury was S tier pvp, got nerfed cuz warr cant be S

#

Fun removed

#

Now frost dk and locks pumpin

slim coral
#

Actually unholy is superior now Iโ€™ve heard

pseudo marlin
#

Unholy does giga damage in keys aswell

#

Every pack

#

Like 30% ahead of me same ilvl

slim coral
#

But people are already geared for frost so

rocky wharf
#

Our time in the spotlight was nice, now everyone got gear and buffs T_T

grizzled lion
#

if i didnt collect a fractured spark last week, can i then get 2 this week?

slim coral
#

Likely wonโ€™t see unholy players for a while

slim coral
#

Itโ€™ll drop from content

grizzled lion
#

phew thank god

slim coral
#

Watch what happened here

unique frigate
#

Damn i parsed pretty nicely on boss damage on normal ๐Ÿ˜„

slim coral
#

Hell yeah bud gj

runic violet
#

is 636 craft possible yet

slim coral
#

Yes

#

Itโ€™s been possible for a while

orchid vault
#

?

unique frigate
#

Lemme check

opal spindle
#

yo guys i was wondering if bop or boe are available on first trash before first boss on mythic raid ?

runic violet
#

time to farm +9... haven't been able to get in +10 yet

#

but timing +9 doesn't feel too hard

runic violet
#

I mean I just 2 chested +9 without lust...

slim coral
#

BOEโ€™s are disabled

opal spindle
slim coral
#

For first month I believe

abstract path
#

Hey guys, I got a mythic track chest but also the neck with stats, shall ignore the chest and go for the neck? Is it good for M+?

unique frigate
long stone
#

on the one site we are the best on the other we are the worse xD nice blizz ty for the 3% overall nerf,.... it was surly needet ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

runic violet
#

what's what

#

before and after?

chrome plover
#

no

long stone
#

left dmg on bosses right the overall

chrome plover
#

boss damage vs overall

long stone
#

so we are just good for padding

runic violet
#

that's all it was.

#

super quick burst

chrome plover
#

and a lot of these fights have low hp adds that need to die fast

runic violet
#

"oh no they are doing a lot of dmg on things die in seconds"

chrome plover
#

fury is really good in this raid

gritty kayak
#

this actually any good ? compared to burst trinket got one in my vault just wondering if its a bait

long stone
#

it is a good one

chrome plover
dry bone
#

Keep in mind though a lot of the bosses warriors are specced into MT

chrome plover
#

fury is brought for their burst aoe so ofc on mythic they arent trying to do boss damage when the raid is progging

#

๐Ÿคท

slim coral
chrome plover
#

whilst bm for example is letting fury/frost dk blast add and speccing full single target

long stone
#

@dry bone thats true but i still not understanding why they nerft the overall dmg a week ago, they could just nerf a bit of the aoe stuff

dry bone
#

I mean weโ€™re still very good

chrome plover
#

they nerfed the aoe stuff first and decided it wasnt enough

abstract path
dry bone
#

And our spec is very mistake friendly Tbf

slim coral
gilded pawn
#

Probably ilevel diff

slim coral
#

Also what is your current neck

dry bone
#

In most average pugs/guilds you will still outperform classes โ€œaboveโ€ us simply because their mistakes are a ton more punishing

slim coral
#

What are the secondary stats of both items

abstract path
#

neck is haste/mastry

slim coral
#

Sim the chest at 639

#

Because youโ€™d want to upgrade it

#

Donโ€™t just sim at 623

abstract path
#

got it thanks

slim coral
#

If neck is still on top take it

gilded pawn
#

Another thing is, the mythic chest will be there for the rest of the tier

#

Neck is replaceable by the mythic version

slim coral
#

Yeah

abstract path
#

thank you

bitter palm
#

overclocked geararang launcher is fucking dogshit wtf

slim coral
#

Itโ€™s Ight

bitter palm
#

simming it right now at myth track (cursed vault)

slim coral
#

Nothing like bis tho

tribal flint
#

i dont know how anyone plays fury outside of nightelf. especially in fort keys when you are lusting on trash packs. youre basically depending on your tank to crit his abilities

#

unless u got a chad prot warr

slim coral
#

I stun the ads

bitter palm
#

xd

#

keychain simming giga for both arm and fury

dry bone
runic cypress
tribal flint
#

noted ill try to give more time

dry bone
#

Our burst is so front loaded and instant that if we go balls out right from the start itโ€™s going to be very hard for them to keep aggro

tribal flint
#

i just had a 2400 feral druid, gave about 2 seconds and bursted, got my face punched in

runic cypress
#

Easy peasy lemon squeezy

tribal flint
#

in a 9 tho..

#

i got sent back to the neterhrealm

summer crater
#

Queen's mandate is so good

#

4-8% of my damage on bosses

fervent yoke
#

Pugging m+ as dps warr feels bad man

rotund ginkgo
#

i love it when my tank does extremely dodgy pulls and we end up ninja-ing and trying to recover

#

:3

cyan epoch
#

Sad I couldn't get another 10 last week (spent 4 hours Monday applying/trying to run my key) that myth track helm would have been great

chrome plover
warm crag
#

Myth track pant fine or

gilded pawn
#

Fine

gilded pawn
#

You keep mythic track tier for rest of the tier

slim coral
#

I donโ€™t really ever pug

#

But yesterday I pugged one key

#

The Druid tank was insta dying on first boss

#

To melees

#

With an Aug buffing him

chrome plover
#

i tanked a few 9s last week

#

and playing with vs without aug is so insane

gilded pawn
#

Bro didnโ€™t macro ironfur to thrash

chrome plover
#

they were really comfy without, but with i felt like i never needed to press anything

#

just walked through dungeon with god mode on idk

molten wing
#

its either them not pressing spikes or they just die after spikes are down

cyan epoch
#

For me it's bdk, some are just running in with 0 resource then instadie

chrome plover
#

death and decay goes down and jesus takes the wheel ๐Ÿ™

slim coral
#

Itโ€™s melees bro what defensives

gilded pawn
#

Yeah he ran out of ironfur

slim coral
gilded pawn
#

Very tragic

slow wadi
#

How good is the trinket Treacherous Transmitter? How have people found it compared to the mastery trinkets from dungeons??

slim coral
#

It slaps

#

BiS

#

Turbo BiS

slow wadi
#

I shud use this before I pop CDs and pots?

chrome plover
#

yeah

#

you can pop it with a few seconds on the pull timer

cyan epoch
#

Prepull in raids yea

gilded pawn
#

Archi says he doesnโ€™t like transmitter

#

But yeah itโ€™s a gain

slim coral
#

Like 5 seconds before pull

chrome plover
#

the only issues is when the orb is really hard to see in a messy pack

slim coral
#

Itโ€™s so good

chrome plover
#

but since it always spawns in the same spot

#

it's fine

#

trinket is insane

#

14k strength in my burst

cyan epoch
#

I dont like playing it in raids tho because I have a hard time seeing the soak/orb with all the effects

chrome plover
#

yes please

chrome plover
cyan epoch
#

In m+ it's fine for me , except in dawnbreaker ship where orb/soak doesn't work

gilded pawn
# slim coral Why

He says he doesnโ€™t wanna bother with the 1% gain for the chance for you to kill tourself

slim coral
#

Oh

chrome plover
#

prepull you just face 45 degrees left

slim coral
#

Well canโ€™t die if you just live

chrome plover
#

and charge through orb

slim coral
#

Itโ€™s pretty rough to use sometimes though for sure

slow wadi
#

Lastly, if you didn't have the other bis raid trinket, would you go for another on use one or Ara's? Like Skar' or Mark of Kharanos

slim coral
#

I would aim for skar and ara

cyan epoch
#

That's with the wa ๐Ÿ˜„

runic cypress
slow wadi
#

Cool well I have transmitter and willing to make it work. I find that around ilevel 610 I am getting trounced by pallies and similar ilevels even on aoe trash packs.

ember thunder
#

what is the ideal rotation for cooldowns? do you wait for Reck/avatar if bladestorm is rdy again? or just use it?

slim coral
runic cypress
#

Uhhhhh

#

Hold on

cyan epoch
#

There's one with text to speech

#

And icons

slim coral
tribal flint
#

I find myself having Bladestorm with Avatar on a big CD alot so i just send it on seperate packs tbh

slim coral
#

Other than that send on cd

ember thunder
runic cypress
#

Frankly there's a few of them already

slow wadi
#

Your opener do you bladestorm and then Odyn's or Odyn's then bladestorm?

tribal flint
#

odyn

#

for enrage

slim coral
#

Which I think is what his issue is

gilded pawn
#

Thatโ€™s cheating

#

I think

runic cypress
#

Well no but it helps

slim coral
ember thunder
runic cypress
#

Also maybe only black potion will help?

gilded pawn
#

Is highlighting stuff in the world not illegal

#

For weakaura

slim coral
#

Normally of and bs align

ember thunder
tribal flint
#

Persoanlly i just find it easy to send Odyns on single with AoE build intead of its increased damage.. instead of the single target build when you need to check if you are enraged before deciding what to do

slim coral
#

Weakauras are not illegal

#

Unless they play the game for you

gilded pawn
#

I didnโ€™t know it was allowed to highlight stuff

#

But ok I see

slim coral
#

Yeah highlighting is fine

runic cypress
#

I don't think you can make an aura to highlight the orb

tribal flint
#

the big question tho is when you shadowmeld

slim coral
#

When you press avatar

runic cypress
jaunty bolt
#

WHat would you guys choose from Vault? Im Fury/Prot

tribal flint
runic cypress
tribal flint
#

im cuter tho

runic cypress
fickle wharf
#

As a fury, is it still recommended to open vault with Arms spec ?

runic cypress
#

No you want fury spec for that nice 1 handed weapons so you can use Single Minded Fury

tribal flint
#

Single minded fury is op for bricking a key

fickle wharf
worthy plaza
#

guys how do usualy ppl sim for aoe? like the best way rn

jaunty bolt
tribal flint
#

Ah tripping nvm

night cedar
#

Guys one question. When i have ST talents, when i have the x5 juggernaut stacks, is just press execute only for refresh buff or x3 execute mark right?

slim coral
#

ST

night cedar
#

tyty

worthy plaza
runic cypress
clever shore
#

I am always in arms, does it influence anything when opening the chest?

gilded pawn
#

Bladestorm is a part of your normal rotation

runic cypress
fickle wharf
#

I'll sim it but any recommandations ?

gilded pawn
#

Weapon is more replaceable

#

So take trinket

clever shore
errant vessel
#

You guys sending the free enchanted crest on bracers this week or sending 636 bracers?

runic cypress
chrome plover
clever shore
jaunty bolt
runic cypress
#

You should only trust what I say here ๐Ÿ’ฏ

#

Everyone else you should not trust

clever shore
slim coral